May 25, 2025 • 19 mins
Tackling drench resistance requires both technical know-how and practical on-farm application. In episode four of Drench Wise, Farm Smart, brought to you by Zolvix Plus from Elanco, The Country’s Rowena Duncum is joined by Elanco’s Colin McKay and North Canterbury sheep and beef farmer - and vet - Angus Gibb. Angus shares how he’s combining veterinary insight with hands-on farming to manage roundworm challenges proactively, from strategic breeding and pasture planning to testing protocols and reducing risk from bought-in stock. It’s a valuable listen for anyone wanting to farm smarter and stay on top of roundworm management.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Drench Wise Farm Smart with Zolvis Plus from Ilanco, powered
by the Country.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, Hello and welcome into the fourth episode of Drenchwise
Farm Smart and newest podcast series in association with Zolviwis
plus from Alanko. We're looking at experiences managing roundworm from
the front line. My name's Rowena Duncan rural lead here
at the Country. My pleasure to be back with you
once again as we look at smarter, more sustainable parasite
(00:27):
management that protects your stock, your soil and your bottom line.
To date, we're off to North Canterbury, fourth generation sheep
and beef farmer and vett Angus Gibb joining us to
look at both sides of the approach to managing roundworm resistance.
But before we introduce Angus once again, joining me in
studio is industry veteran Colin Mackay from Alanko. Hello, Colin,
(00:50):
welcome in. Oh hello there, and as mentioned on the line,
from North Canterbury, we have Angus Gibb. Good afternoon, Angus. Yeah, Hi, right,
Hello right Colin. We'll just start with you. For those
who are just joining us for the first time, tell
me about your background. Remind us why we've got you on.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Here A well, partly because I work for a Lanco,
but as you describe me, I'm a veteran so I've
been involved in the animal health industry for many years
across a variety of roles and sales, marketing, product development,
et cetera. And these days I provide technical support to
the Alanco range of anti parasite products, which obviously includes
(01:32):
Zolvis Plus and click and syrex et cetera.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And you're here to keep me on the straight and narrow.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Heyfe as much as possible if.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It comes to it. Yeah, yeah, and you're within you know,
you've got a glass of water in front of you
that can always come my way if I go off
the task now, which I'm starting to do. So let's
bring it. Angus, gibb Angus. As mentioned, you're on the
line from North Canterbury. You're a sheep and beef farmer
and a vet. How did that all come about?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, went at the union trying to be a vat
started working down and momorrow and then rainfredy and makes
practice and I suppose growing up on the farm that
was probably what's me most of the beating sort of
things so shaping beef working. Yeah, I sort of worked
(02:22):
my way back, so he was waiting and I took
over the farm two years ago as well as Yeah,
I've been working creekshial breeding pig, Doingenburgh transfer and Iowa
and then the local veatwork as well. So yeah, we're cool,
just taken along really.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, you've got a lot of fingers and a lot
of pies there. Tell me about the farm that you're
farming and is it a family operation? How long has
it been in your family? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah, we took over from um and dad. Yeah, two
years ago and family farm when it got broken up
Bacon eighteen nineties, so yeah, fourth generation been there for
a while. But yeah, I suppose it's been the old
man sort of broke it in really, and he set
(03:12):
it up pretty well for us to take over, and
so the our jobs to ramp it up a bit. Yeah,
just fining away.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Really, Yeah, what are you running about?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Three thousand breeding news They have been cardiales, but we
just started putting a Romney ram over them, and then
we've got one hundred and thirty bread and cares and
then fat in the protenna of them, and we're just
going into a bit of dairy care trading. Yeah, trying
a few different stock classes.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, awesome, awesome. So when did you first become aware
of the increasing prevalence of round where resistance. Was it
on your radar growing up on the farm or was
it more when you got into vet school or something
like that.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah, I think probably have been when I was in
high school, just thinking about what what was interested in
and looking to do and in the yeah, VI creates
a lot of boxes, and I remember, I think it
might have been the start out of the wind was
programming and some of that information turned up at home
and having a bit of radeway out there. And it
(04:18):
was similar Tom and Head had sort of bailed a
bit with single well what what great resistance? And in
some hoggets, who's losing them even though he's drinking them regularly?
Like we sort of organized that and yeah, it's sort
of sort of began at the Union trying to combat it.
(04:40):
And I think, you know, it was a pretty good
adopt of what he and told him really and did
some pretty good practices. And the fans that have been
in a very quite a good sight at the moment
as stars just done a few figureine caut reaction piece
and set looking pretty good still for Yeah, you know
(05:00):
that will be there of it, not at a quantity.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, how important are those figure lead count tests?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, it's a great cool give you a rough idea
about what's going on, and if you repeat it you
can see if you're changing much, not not being or
remind all. But it's sort of the best we've got
at the moment. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So as of what were your observations of drench resistance
in your area and how farmers were managing it, how
decisions were made. Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Suppose us down ran Philly we dealt with it the most.
It was it was probably switching from everyone thought it
was a bit of a North Island problem, and then
and then it started appearing and a lot of it
was we're finding seak week just post drench checks or
(05:56):
or post long acting drench checks, but leakers and those.
So it wasn't a lot of that we'd seen. But
then the more that we looked, the more you found.
And then yeah, it's sort of you can go along
a long time with a wee bit of resistance and
(06:16):
then all of a sudden it seems to really bite you.
In charts.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, Colin, you would have heard that a wee bit,
you know, thinking it was a North Island problem and
then all of a sudden it started appearing a bit
further south.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Absolutely your own. I'd just really be interested to hear
Angus's opinion on what's going on in the young cattle spaces,
Like as you say, five years ago, triple drench resistant
sheep parasites was considered a North Island issue and no
one spoke at all about drench resistance or triple drench
(06:53):
resistant parasites and young cattle. But now they're increasingly recognized
as posing a significant problem more on those intensive young
cattle situations with will be for intensive sort of heather rearing.
What's the situation in the South Island and what you
see in your activity as a veta. Is there an
(07:14):
increasing awareness and the sort of in the kettle farmers
for kettle farmers.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, I think a lot of it, like you, Yeah,
I agree with you. The awareness is a lot more
than it used to be. Again with cattle, because they
don't have as accurate monitoring the big week counts. You're
not done as regularly anyway, you're not picking up the
early stages of those fans that ever severe problem. By
(07:42):
the time your secret response for the truth resistance, you've
g got an issue. There's more and more of that
popping up. But I think a lot of people are
becoming pro active on those, especially they run off the
kettle systems and another stock class on all young stock
(08:05):
or what not. There's starting to take on board of
the room was information and just trying to prevent it
if you ll press the impact of it. Yeah, a
lot more than used to do.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Anyway, A bit of a chicken and egg question for you, angus,
and no pun intended on the eggs side of things,
but look, tell us about how your technical knowledge has
informed your practical implementation or or is it vice versa?
Which way around is it?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah? I know it's it's quite it's been taking on
the farm and and you sort of you come in
with all the all the women wise principles and the
gold standards, and I've definitely wrapped under it in the
first year and no matter what we've we've probably got
but in a few times with them with those learning
the summers and and you think, oh, they're going to
(09:01):
eat the feed for in good condition. I don't need
to give them a drink. Drinking right, then it starts impetting.
You're scanning or you or you see it and see
it at tilling time, and it's just I suppose it
was striking that balance between what works and best practice.
So yeah, I suppose a lot of it was just
(09:23):
just feeling your way. I think now from from having
a few years farming, it's a lot more of the
paraso manage. I suppose it's a whole farm approach, changing
patterns and not just having one area that all the
hobbits rotate, and they sort of rotate across most of
the farm now and using the strength of the place.
(09:45):
It's presently extensive, so you can, Yeah, you can spread
things out when you need to. Plus, yeah, we're getting
into a bit more cropping in it. But it's been interesting.
I remember you give advice to people and they wonder
why the hell they didn't follow I'm doing it plenty
of times.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, I can relate. I was a teenage girl once,
so yeah, pretty pretty similar there. So you've started to
touch on this, but you know, what does round where
management look like for you?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Now?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
As a farmer? What steps do you take to keep
resistance at bay that other people might be able to
add into their arsenal.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah, I think that. I suppose the big overall approach
and probably the biggest thing that's going to impact reducing
drinks usee or reliance on drinks is the amount of
high quality feed that you can grow and feed stock
at the right times. I know. I mean we're all
(10:45):
because it's extensive, we're all grass wondering, and then you
get to the end of the winter and step stock
on really low covers and then often we're relying on
capsules net to get a fooda tailing time in the
spring flashcams, we'll sort of we're putting a lot more
crop so than we were win to Kal's and met
so trying to get the us off the off the
(11:07):
lemon country for a month before that just to build
bi covers for that, and then we sort of went
with probably beat the front on the womb management thing.
With them were saw lambs, which is a good way
to get rid of young stop but I'm also going
back to finishing them. But I've got about sixty years
of rolling country that will bear mark for Lucian and
(11:31):
then using repos right from the summer to basically all
my failing lambs will go under some sort of crop
for three or four months until they killed. So I
mean this year we had when when at the start
of December card has got a drink steam and then
(11:51):
on the breaskers we'll go them another one when we
gave a second four and one and Henry and then
from the that was sort of the idea. That was
that they go around and hammer all them. It's the
grass around need to the peddic. From there we didn't
drink them for another eight weeks and then killed to
be killed. The best wits they've done for Yeah, but
(12:14):
we had a good season. They had a lot of
pizza and again did a new count just at the
time of killings Ham and it was still pretty lower. Yeah,
the ways and ways and what else are we doing? Hogarts? Ye? Sorry,
replacement hogarts. They we've always I mean, my father has
(12:37):
done it. Tell you stretch they's one it's a good
way of sleeping, what can handle but longer between dreamers
and two Again what I said earlier, they they instead
of write adding on a on better country that they're
going in front of you was out in the hill now,
so the burdens shouldn't be so high. So gave were
(12:58):
eight weeks between drenches and we'll just finished at the
start of May. We do a knockout print, say anything
any lamb that's still left on the place, floating replacements
will get resolved, plus to clean out any any resistant
lens vie and then we don't. We don't do a
lot of trading, although this we've got some names come on,
(13:22):
but anything coming on gets a quarantine resolves as well. Yeah,
we'll try try, try and keep it by and and
sort of keep those those good people. We can't reaction
tease results that we've had. I think going forward, the
longer you can prolong that they not turn into a
store market benefit as well people looking for good resistant
(13:45):
status places.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, yeah, Colin, I can see you're nodding along. Does
everything there make your seal of approval?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
It's not, it's not down to me, but just standing here,
sitting here listening, think what Angus has illustrated there and
very effectively is it how historically managing roundworm parasites or
drench resistance, however you want to term it has all
been based around which drench you use and how you
(14:15):
use your drench. So the focus of roundwarm management is
on your drum of drench, and Angus has illustrated really
clearly that that's evolved to a whole farm management approach
avoiding worms, avoiding pasture contamination and maintaining a population of
worms on the farm which isn't too big but doesn't
(14:35):
get exposed to drenches or worms which are known as
being in refuge. So he's using an awful lot of
really effective tools as to keep his drenches of effective
as long as possible. I guess the other comment it
would make his dad did see the effects of what
happens when drench has stopped working with the hot death
(14:56):
rates way back in the day.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, yeah, amazing, And I've got a new appreciation for
it as well, having just at the end of last
week come back from out back Queensland and seeing you know,
what happens when you farm on land that doesn't have
worms and things like that and not having to drench
your stock as much. Honestly, can we farmers do it
pretty tough. We've got a lot more that we need
to manage. So it's great hearing from you, Angus and
(15:20):
what you're actually doing on farm there. How do you
get your information just generally about parasite resistance, what's working,
what's not. You've mentioned monitoring those fakurely accounts, but what
else do you look for?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yeah, I think it's just being curious. I suppose you
taught you talked to a lot of people. You talk
to you eats for meats, and a lot of other people,
top farmers as well. I'll probably learned more from farmers
than most times. But that's what especially, I think under
(16:00):
the idea of refuge you trying to keep those populations
of worms and you and your farm that haven't been
sort of tagging of the drinks. It's sort of like
those those ideas can be quite hard to come up with.
But then you see you see someone else doing something,
I mean Phil down then and he was he was
pulling his white up. And then then they just scatered
(16:23):
the max for fattening lembs and drinks and it's your refugee.
Plus they're left, so you don't need to drinks them.
Plus you're loft in the map from hating and we've
sort of adopted it and it worked bloody well, like
the sheet in the.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Pretty pretty cool side effect to get from that.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Colin absolutely to win all round. Yeah, it's ingus has
got a good handle on it. He has advantage, I
guess of having six years of six years of futory
education to help the he's putting them to break this
and filtering out what works and what doesn't work in
(17:03):
a practical scenario.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Perfect, not always good.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, it's yeah, you've got a bit of a cheat
sheet there us on this.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Really.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Look, what do you think of the most important steps
k WE farmers can take to farm through this problem?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, probably the more knowledge that you have, the better
what they they should be interested in it and nothing
substitute sort of knowing a lot of those worm wise principles.
It's been awesome that WORS has really ramped up in
the last few years and virginny De Danskian and the
team there have really Yeah, they've got a heap of
(17:40):
good resources on it. We've tit in parasite days and whatnot.
It's probably the yeah, the biggest one. I mean, I
think the take home from all parasite management's just high
quality faith. You feel the better you feed to stop
the least the worm's impact. So yeah, it seems it
(18:00):
seemed to be on the common Yeah. Aspects of the
farmers that I've worked with, Odd considered the best opera
as I've seen. They just grow a lot of hard Yeah,
and it doesn't more of the furnishing goals from our
country goes taste.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, I can see Colin nodding way. Look, if you
want to find out more info, farmanimal dot lanco dot com,
forward slash m z. That website again, farmanimal dot lanco
dot com forward slash m z. If you haven't heard
episodes one through three of Drenchwise Farm Smart, go and
(18:37):
google them as well. We've been chatting to some amazing people.
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and the diagonal bar logo are trademarks of Alanco or
its affiliates ANGERSKIB North Canterbury Sheep and BF Farmer. Thanks
(19:00):
so much for your time and sharing your experience both
on both sides of the fence, both as a vet
and as a fourth generation farmer. Really appreciate it. What's
next for you over the next wee while.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
We've got Moose getting next week for getting ready for that.
Hopefully it all goes well. We've had a pretty good season.
I think there's been some good ones so far.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Hey, look, thank you so much for your time. Really
appreciate it. That's good, awesome And Colin of course, Colin
mackay from Alanko. Pleasure as always to have you join
me alongside in the studio. I notice you've been able
to drink your water during the podcast. You haven't had
to throw it in my direction, so appreciate that too.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
You're lucky to stay stay dry your row. Thanks Angus,
Thanks a lot, all right.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Thanks to We will catch you back for another episode
very soon.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Drenchwise Farm Smart with Solvi's Plus from Ilanco, powered by
the Country
Drench Wise Farm Smart with Zolvis Plus from Ilanco, powered
by the Country.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, Hello and welcome into the fourth episode of Drenchwise
Farm Smart and newest podcast series in association with Zolviwis
plus from Alanko. We're looking at experiences managing roundworm from
the front line. My name's Rowena Duncan rural lead here
at the Country. My pleasure to be back with you
once again as we look at smarter, more sustainable parasite
(00:27):
management that protects your stock, your soil and your bottom line.
To date, we're off to North Canterbury, fourth generation sheep
and beef farmer and vett Angus Gibb joining us to
look at both sides of the approach to managing roundworm resistance.
But before we introduce Angus once again, joining me in
studio is industry veteran Colin Mackay from Alanko. Hello, Colin,
(00:50):
welcome in. Oh hello there, and as mentioned on the line,
from North Canterbury, we have Angus Gibb. Good afternoon, Angus. Yeah, Hi, right,
Hello right Colin. We'll just start with you. For those
who are just joining us for the first time, tell
me about your background. Remind us why we've got you on.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Here A well, partly because I work for a Lanco,
but as you describe me, I'm a veteran so I've
been involved in the animal health industry for many years
across a variety of roles and sales, marketing, product development,
et cetera. And these days I provide technical support to
the Alanco range of anti parasite products, which obviously includes
(01:32):
Zolvis Plus and click and syrex et cetera.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
And you're here to keep me on the straight and narrow.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Heyfe as much as possible if.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It comes to it. Yeah, yeah, and you're within you know,
you've got a glass of water in front of you
that can always come my way if I go off
the task now, which I'm starting to do. So let's
bring it. Angus, gibb Angus. As mentioned, you're on the
line from North Canterbury. You're a sheep and beef farmer
and a vet. How did that all come about?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, went at the union trying to be a vat
started working down and momorrow and then rainfredy and makes
practice and I suppose growing up on the farm that
was probably what's me most of the beating sort of
things so shaping beef working. Yeah, I sort of worked
(02:22):
my way back, so he was waiting and I took
over the farm two years ago as well as Yeah,
I've been working creekshial breeding pig, Doingenburgh transfer and Iowa
and then the local veatwork as well. So yeah, we're cool,
just taken along really.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, you've got a lot of fingers and a lot
of pies there. Tell me about the farm that you're
farming and is it a family operation? How long has
it been in your family? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah, we took over from um and dad. Yeah, two
years ago and family farm when it got broken up
Bacon eighteen nineties, so yeah, fourth generation been there for
a while. But yeah, I suppose it's been the old
man sort of broke it in really, and he set
(03:12):
it up pretty well for us to take over, and
so the our jobs to ramp it up a bit. Yeah,
just fining away.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Really, Yeah, what are you running about?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Three thousand breeding news They have been cardiales, but we
just started putting a Romney ram over them, and then
we've got one hundred and thirty bread and cares and
then fat in the protenna of them, and we're just
going into a bit of dairy care trading. Yeah, trying
a few different stock classes.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, awesome, awesome. So when did you first become aware
of the increasing prevalence of round where resistance. Was it
on your radar growing up on the farm or was
it more when you got into vet school or something
like that.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah, I think probably have been when I was in
high school, just thinking about what what was interested in
and looking to do and in the yeah, VI creates
a lot of boxes, and I remember, I think it
might have been the start out of the wind was
programming and some of that information turned up at home
and having a bit of radeway out there. And it
(04:18):
was similar Tom and Head had sort of bailed a
bit with single well what what great resistance? And in
some hoggets, who's losing them even though he's drinking them regularly?
Like we sort of organized that and yeah, it's sort
of sort of began at the Union trying to combat it.
(04:40):
And I think, you know, it was a pretty good
adopt of what he and told him really and did
some pretty good practices. And the fans that have been
in a very quite a good sight at the moment
as stars just done a few figureine caut reaction piece
and set looking pretty good still for Yeah, you know
(05:00):
that will be there of it, not at a quantity.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, how important are those figure lead count tests?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, it's a great cool give you a rough idea
about what's going on, and if you repeat it you
can see if you're changing much, not not being or
remind all. But it's sort of the best we've got
at the moment. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So as of what were your observations of drench resistance
in your area and how farmers were managing it, how
decisions were made. Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Suppose us down ran Philly we dealt with it the most.
It was it was probably switching from everyone thought it
was a bit of a North Island problem, and then
and then it started appearing and a lot of it
was we're finding seak week just post drench checks or
(05:56):
or post long acting drench checks, but leakers and those.
So it wasn't a lot of that we'd seen. But
then the more that we looked, the more you found.
And then yeah, it's sort of you can go along
a long time with a wee bit of resistance and
(06:16):
then all of a sudden it seems to really bite you.
In charts.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, Colin, you would have heard that a wee bit,
you know, thinking it was a North Island problem and
then all of a sudden it started appearing a bit
further south.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Absolutely your own. I'd just really be interested to hear
Angus's opinion on what's going on in the young cattle spaces,
Like as you say, five years ago, triple drench resistant
sheep parasites was considered a North Island issue and no
one spoke at all about drench resistance or triple drench
(06:53):
resistant parasites and young cattle. But now they're increasingly recognized
as posing a significant problem more on those intensive young
cattle situations with will be for intensive sort of heather rearing.
What's the situation in the South Island and what you
see in your activity as a veta. Is there an
(07:14):
increasing awareness and the sort of in the kettle farmers
for kettle farmers.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, I think a lot of it, like you, Yeah,
I agree with you. The awareness is a lot more
than it used to be. Again with cattle, because they
don't have as accurate monitoring the big week counts. You're
not done as regularly anyway, you're not picking up the
early stages of those fans that ever severe problem. By
(07:42):
the time your secret response for the truth resistance, you've
g got an issue. There's more and more of that
popping up. But I think a lot of people are
becoming pro active on those, especially they run off the
kettle systems and another stock class on all young stock
(08:05):
or what not. There's starting to take on board of
the room was information and just trying to prevent it
if you ll press the impact of it. Yeah, a
lot more than used to do.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Anyway, A bit of a chicken and egg question for you, angus,
and no pun intended on the eggs side of things,
but look, tell us about how your technical knowledge has
informed your practical implementation or or is it vice versa?
Which way around is it?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah? I know it's it's quite it's been taking on
the farm and and you sort of you come in
with all the all the women wise principles and the
gold standards, and I've definitely wrapped under it in the
first year and no matter what we've we've probably got
but in a few times with them with those learning
the summers and and you think, oh, they're going to
(09:01):
eat the feed for in good condition. I don't need
to give them a drink. Drinking right, then it starts impetting.
You're scanning or you or you see it and see
it at tilling time, and it's just I suppose it
was striking that balance between what works and best practice.
So yeah, I suppose a lot of it was just
(09:23):
just feeling your way. I think now from from having
a few years farming, it's a lot more of the
paraso manage. I suppose it's a whole farm approach, changing
patterns and not just having one area that all the
hobbits rotate, and they sort of rotate across most of
the farm now and using the strength of the place.
(09:45):
It's presently extensive, so you can, Yeah, you can spread
things out when you need to. Plus, yeah, we're getting
into a bit more cropping in it. But it's been interesting.
I remember you give advice to people and they wonder
why the hell they didn't follow I'm doing it plenty
of times.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, I can relate. I was a teenage girl once,
so yeah, pretty pretty similar there. So you've started to
touch on this, but you know, what does round where
management look like for you?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Now?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
As a farmer? What steps do you take to keep
resistance at bay that other people might be able to
add into their arsenal.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah, I think that. I suppose the big overall approach
and probably the biggest thing that's going to impact reducing
drinks usee or reliance on drinks is the amount of
high quality feed that you can grow and feed stock
at the right times. I know. I mean we're all
(10:45):
because it's extensive, we're all grass wondering, and then you
get to the end of the winter and step stock
on really low covers and then often we're relying on
capsules net to get a fooda tailing time in the
spring flashcams, we'll sort of we're putting a lot more
crop so than we were win to Kal's and met
so trying to get the us off the off the
(11:07):
lemon country for a month before that just to build
bi covers for that, and then we sort of went
with probably beat the front on the womb management thing.
With them were saw lambs, which is a good way
to get rid of young stop but I'm also going
back to finishing them. But I've got about sixty years
of rolling country that will bear mark for Lucian and
(11:31):
then using repos right from the summer to basically all
my failing lambs will go under some sort of crop
for three or four months until they killed. So I
mean this year we had when when at the start
of December card has got a drink steam and then
(11:51):
on the breaskers we'll go them another one when we
gave a second four and one and Henry and then
from the that was sort of the idea. That was
that they go around and hammer all them. It's the
grass around need to the peddic. From there we didn't
drink them for another eight weeks and then killed to
be killed. The best wits they've done for Yeah, but
(12:14):
we had a good season. They had a lot of
pizza and again did a new count just at the
time of killings Ham and it was still pretty lower. Yeah,
the ways and ways and what else are we doing? Hogarts? Ye? Sorry,
replacement hogarts. They we've always I mean, my father has
(12:37):
done it. Tell you stretch they's one it's a good
way of sleeping, what can handle but longer between dreamers
and two Again what I said earlier, they they instead
of write adding on a on better country that they're
going in front of you was out in the hill now,
so the burdens shouldn't be so high. So gave were
(12:58):
eight weeks between drenches and we'll just finished at the
start of May. We do a knockout print, say anything
any lamb that's still left on the place, floating replacements
will get resolved, plus to clean out any any resistant
lens vie and then we don't. We don't do a
lot of trading, although this we've got some names come on,
(13:22):
but anything coming on gets a quarantine resolves as well. Yeah,
we'll try try, try and keep it by and and
sort of keep those those good people. We can't reaction
tease results that we've had. I think going forward, the
longer you can prolong that they not turn into a
store market benefit as well people looking for good resistant
(13:45):
status places.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, yeah, Colin, I can see you're nodding along. Does
everything there make your seal of approval?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
It's not, it's not down to me, but just standing here,
sitting here listening, think what Angus has illustrated there and
very effectively is it how historically managing roundworm parasites or
drench resistance, however you want to term it has all
been based around which drench you use and how you
(14:15):
use your drench. So the focus of roundwarm management is
on your drum of drench, and Angus has illustrated really
clearly that that's evolved to a whole farm management approach
avoiding worms, avoiding pasture contamination and maintaining a population of
worms on the farm which isn't too big but doesn't
(14:35):
get exposed to drenches or worms which are known as
being in refuge. So he's using an awful lot of
really effective tools as to keep his drenches of effective
as long as possible. I guess the other comment it
would make his dad did see the effects of what
happens when drench has stopped working with the hot death
(14:56):
rates way back in the day.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, yeah, amazing, And I've got a new appreciation for
it as well, having just at the end of last
week come back from out back Queensland and seeing you know,
what happens when you farm on land that doesn't have
worms and things like that and not having to drench
your stock as much. Honestly, can we farmers do it
pretty tough. We've got a lot more that we need
to manage. So it's great hearing from you, Angus and
(15:20):
what you're actually doing on farm there. How do you
get your information just generally about parasite resistance, what's working,
what's not. You've mentioned monitoring those fakurely accounts, but what
else do you look for?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yeah, I think it's just being curious. I suppose you
taught you talked to a lot of people. You talk
to you eats for meats, and a lot of other people,
top farmers as well. I'll probably learned more from farmers
than most times. But that's what especially, I think under
(16:00):
the idea of refuge you trying to keep those populations
of worms and you and your farm that haven't been
sort of tagging of the drinks. It's sort of like
those those ideas can be quite hard to come up with.
But then you see you see someone else doing something,
I mean Phil down then and he was he was
pulling his white up. And then then they just scatered
(16:23):
the max for fattening lembs and drinks and it's your refugee.
Plus they're left, so you don't need to drinks them.
Plus you're loft in the map from hating and we've
sort of adopted it and it worked bloody well, like
the sheet in the.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Pretty pretty cool side effect to get from that.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Colin absolutely to win all round. Yeah, it's ingus has
got a good handle on it. He has advantage, I
guess of having six years of six years of futory
education to help the he's putting them to break this
and filtering out what works and what doesn't work in
(17:03):
a practical scenario.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Perfect, not always good.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, it's yeah, you've got a bit of a cheat
sheet there us on this.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Really.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Look, what do you think of the most important steps
k WE farmers can take to farm through this problem?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, probably the more knowledge that you have, the better
what they they should be interested in it and nothing
substitute sort of knowing a lot of those worm wise principles.
It's been awesome that WORS has really ramped up in
the last few years and virginny De Danskian and the
team there have really Yeah, they've got a heap of
(17:40):
good resources on it. We've tit in parasite days and whatnot.
It's probably the yeah, the biggest one. I mean, I
think the take home from all parasite management's just high
quality faith. You feel the better you feed to stop
the least the worm's impact. So yeah, it seems it
(18:00):
seemed to be on the common Yeah. Aspects of the
farmers that I've worked with, Odd considered the best opera
as I've seen. They just grow a lot of hard Yeah,
and it doesn't more of the furnishing goals from our
country goes taste.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, I can see Colin nodding way. Look, if you
want to find out more info, farmanimal dot lanco dot com,
forward slash m z. That website again, farmanimal dot lanco
dot com forward slash m z. If you haven't heard
episodes one through three of Drenchwise Farm Smart, go and
(18:37):
google them as well. We've been chatting to some amazing people.
Zeviks plus for Sheep and Cattle is registered pursuant to
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its affiliates ANGERSKIB North Canterbury Sheep and BF Farmer. Thanks
(19:00):
so much for your time and sharing your experience both
on both sides of the fence, both as a vet
and as a fourth generation farmer. Really appreciate it. What's
next for you over the next wee while.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
We've got Moose getting next week for getting ready for that.
Hopefully it all goes well. We've had a pretty good season.
I think there's been some good ones so far.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Hey, look, thank you so much for your time. Really
appreciate it. That's good, awesome And Colin of course, Colin
mackay from Alanko. Pleasure as always to have you join
me alongside in the studio. I notice you've been able
to drink your water during the podcast. You haven't had
to throw it in my direction, so appreciate that too.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
You're lucky to stay stay dry your row. Thanks Angus,
Thanks a lot, all right.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Thanks to We will catch you back for another episode
very soon.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
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