June 12, 2025 • 8 mins
The Prince of the Provinces, just returned from Singapore, is back in Heartland NZ. We discuss farm-to-forestry conversions, a Federated Farmers political poll, and a Beef + Lamb NZ carbon farming report.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He's my favorite politician of the day at the moment.
The Prince of the Province's Shane Jones. I have come
bearing gifts from Open Country Cheese. They want to bribe you, Shane,
with a block of cheese that's gold.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, folks, good to be back. I'm going to tell
you that people would probably want me to have Swiss
cheese full of holes. I fear I might have to
declare this, but there's a reason that I'm one hundred
and eighty in kgs and it's probably too much carb
and probably too much cheese and the wrong sort of tucker.
But good to be here. I myself, as you know,
(00:33):
born and bred on a farm and have never forgotten
the foundational influences of farm life.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Did you plant a whole lot of pine trees on
your own farm? Ah?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Too much course in the far North. Look, I don't
know why I have to be reminded at this particular
mystery Creek event of the billion tree strategy. It was
a great idea in its time, right tree, right place.
I've actually just met with the FEDS and they said,
the last time we had you here, Shane Joe, we
wanted to punch you in the nose, I said, Oh,
that's now the Greenies, not the farmers.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Oh that looks like that other. It sounds like that other.
Great New Zealand First idea to put your cinder in.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Ah. I love talking to Jamie because it gives me
a chance to tell the truth. And twenty twenty why
did all the farmers' wives vote for Jacinda and throw
Winston and Shane on the scrap heap? But wait, we're
back twenty twenty six. You can redeem yourselves now.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I'm looking talking about Federated Farmers And I just found
this one this morning trolling through the net chain. They
commissioned their own political poll in the week following the
budget and not well, I guess, not surprisingly because they're
swarming around here National fifty four Act nineteen, New Zealand
First eight and then Labour, Greens and to Party Maury
(01:54):
barely registering. But the surprise number for me, in all seriousness,
was that New Zealand First is only rating at eight
percent with the farmers. Because to be fair to you,
and I see your good man over there, Mark Patterson,
you're doing a good job or you certainly have the
farmers backs.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, well we're halfway through the cycle, and our appeal
to the farmers is a little bit like my political career.
We're late bloomers. So I wait until August September next
year and the farmers will realize that they need a
dependable backbone in politics. Winston and our party represent that
opportunity because the other side of politics. There's a reason
(02:34):
why labor is at three percent in that pole. But
don't for a moment think that one pole reflects all
of the electoral outcomes.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Information out yesterday or this morning from Beef and Lamb
who are just behind us here at Mystery Creek, research
carried out on basically carbon farming close to forty thousand.
I know you don't want me to go on about trees,
but you've got to face this one show. Close to
forty thousand hectares of sheep and beef farms have been
sold for forestry since September of last year. And I
(03:03):
know that Luxeon Krystal Luxon made the announcement at the
Southern Field Days or down at the Southern Field Day's
site in December, but the onslaught of the pine trees
hasn't stopped.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well, look, the PMS made his decision, and the way
to I guess moderate the development of carbon forestry is
to restrict who can actually register a forest with the ETS,
and that's at the heart of what Minister Todd has
been promoting. But our colleague, who provides a lot of
(03:36):
direction to our party, Mark Patterson, has said, don't completely
throw the ETS out, but look at refining it and
narrowing its application so we don't worsen the situation, and
we don't want to worsen the situation with cockies. But hey,
all you farmers, I got to tell you, if I
was to stop you selling your land, you would say,
(03:56):
Shane Jones, you're a communist. No, I'm not the communist.
That's Chloe in the other crowd. So you've got to
bear in mind if you want property rights, you want
the ability to do what you feel is appropriate for
your land. Then weigh up all those decisions. But the
ability to plaster the landscape and pine trees for carbon purposes,
as you well know, as the Prime Minister has articulated,
(04:19):
has reached its high point. Should we be going?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Should we be allowing one hundred percent offsetting very few
other countries? Are we the only country that does.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It while you're really raising a deeper question, which is
what we're taking to the next election. Why are the
food industries of New Zealand subject to this un driven
set of climate obligations. We're taking remits to our party
conference in September, and if we can get our party
members to accept that food industry should be exempt from
(04:50):
the Paris Accord, then we'll be able to take that
forward as a key part of our manifesto and God
willing contribute that to the formation of a future government
if we get enough folks on the center right side.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
So basically you and Winston just want us out of Paris, right.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, Winston's the foreign Minister, and Paris Accord is a
part of foreign policy. And as great line to me
as when talking about foreign affairs, Shane Jones, Yes, stick
to your lane and less there's more. And as he
flew out to Paris and to Nice, and as he
goes to other places New York and such famous sites
of great influence, he says, Shane, I'm going to New
(05:28):
York and you're going to Mourniua. So there's the monde
in the real power.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Lies mind you to be fair to you You've just
come back this week from Singapore. What was on over there.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Our large conference where we were promoting investment to rebuy,
reinvigorate the gas industry. Without gas will be condemned to
use Indonesian coal. I've got nothing against the Indonesians. We
should be digging up our own coal. And my message
to the dairy farming producers and processes stop this mad
(06:02):
drive flight towards demonizing the coal industry. We are going
to need all options, including gas and coal well towards
twenty to fifty. And this unicorn kissing fairytale territory that
somehow wind and solar is going to save New Zealand,
and New Zealand single handedly can save the planet from
(06:23):
the climate cultism. That's not the state of New Zealand
first beliefs.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Well, there you go. He's getting a big hand from
the crowd here AT's Mystery Creek. Just finally, August the
twenty second to Pokey the Rugby Club. You and I
are doing a fundraiser together. Yes, and we're going to
let you off the chain Chatham House rules. How good
will that be if you're anywhere?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
NaN's a pookey ah Chathamhouse rules didn't work too good
for phil Goth so I kind of regard most of
what I have to say. It's going to make its
way to the front page of the paper. But look,
it's really important for politicians who like to promote personality,
and of course Mark Patterson will say Shane promote ego.
(07:08):
There's a difference between the feckless South and the reckless North.
Was it the other way around. I've got my colleagues,
Mark and Andy and the audience, and it's good to
be here as a team, and it's really good also
to go out and support fundraising activities. And Jenny, Jenny
is constantly making sure that I don't make a fool
of myself in parliament. Jenny Marcroft, you haven't begun to
(07:31):
make an impression as of yet. But Jenny also has
been fighting a fight Jamie against the Auckland City Council
for the for the over development of property and the
destruction of our marine farming industry. So it's not only
terrestrial farming. I'm also a champion for marine farming. I'll
(07:52):
be there at Tippuke. I was a rugby player, but
as my father said, Shane, you were born with a
Dictionary in your mouth and it didn't stop. It went
on the rugby field.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Sadly, ladies and gentlemen. Shane Jones thank you very much
for your time. Enjoyed the cheese from open country there, folks,
He's my favorite politician of the day at the moment.
The Prince of the Province's Shane Jones. I have come
bearing gifts from Open Country Cheese. They want to bribe you, Shane,
with a block of cheese that's gold.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, folks, good to be back. I'm going to tell
you that people would probably want me to have Swiss
cheese full of holes. I fear I might have to
declare this, but there's a reason that I'm one hundred
and eighty in kgs and it's probably too much carb
and probably too much cheese and the wrong sort of tucker.
But good to be here. I myself, as you know,
(00:33):
born and bred on a farm and have never forgotten
the foundational influences of farm life.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Did you plant a whole lot of pine trees on
your own farm? Ah?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Too much course in the far North. Look, I don't
know why I have to be reminded at this particular
mystery Creek event of the billion tree strategy. It was
a great idea in its time, right tree, right place.
I've actually just met with the FEDS and they said,
the last time we had you here, Shane Joe, we
wanted to punch you in the nose, I said, Oh,
that's now the Greenies, not the farmers.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Oh that looks like that other. It sounds like that other.
Great New Zealand First idea to put your cinder in.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Ah. I love talking to Jamie because it gives me
a chance to tell the truth. And twenty twenty why
did all the farmers' wives vote for Jacinda and throw
Winston and Shane on the scrap heap? But wait, we're
back twenty twenty six. You can redeem yourselves now.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I'm looking talking about Federated Farmers And I just found
this one this morning trolling through the net chain. They
commissioned their own political poll in the week following the
budget and not well, I guess, not surprisingly because they're
swarming around here National fifty four Act nineteen, New Zealand
First eight and then Labour, Greens and to Party Maury
(01:54):
barely registering. But the surprise number for me, in all seriousness,
was that New Zealand First is only rating at eight
percent with the farmers. Because to be fair to you,
and I see your good man over there, Mark Patterson,
you're doing a good job or you certainly have the
farmers backs.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, well we're halfway through the cycle, and our appeal
to the farmers is a little bit like my political career.
We're late bloomers. So I wait until August September next
year and the farmers will realize that they need a
dependable backbone in politics. Winston and our party represent that
opportunity because the other side of politics. There's a reason
(02:34):
why labor is at three percent in that pole. But
don't for a moment think that one pole reflects all
of the electoral outcomes.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Information out yesterday or this morning from Beef and Lamb
who are just behind us here at Mystery Creek, research
carried out on basically carbon farming close to forty thousand.
I know you don't want me to go on about trees,
but you've got to face this one show. Close to
forty thousand hectares of sheep and beef farms have been
sold for forestry since September of last year. And I
(03:03):
know that Luxeon Krystal Luxon made the announcement at the
Southern Field Days or down at the Southern Field Day's
site in December, but the onslaught of the pine trees
hasn't stopped.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well, look, the PMS made his decision, and the way
to I guess moderate the development of carbon forestry is
to restrict who can actually register a forest with the ETS,
and that's at the heart of what Minister Todd has
been promoting. But our colleague, who provides a lot of
(03:36):
direction to our party, Mark Patterson, has said, don't completely
throw the ETS out, but look at refining it and
narrowing its application so we don't worsen the situation, and
we don't want to worsen the situation with cockies. But hey,
all you farmers, I got to tell you, if I
was to stop you selling your land, you would say,
(03:56):
Shane Jones, you're a communist. No, I'm not the communist.
That's Chloe in the other crowd. So you've got to
bear in mind if you want property rights, you want
the ability to do what you feel is appropriate for
your land. Then weigh up all those decisions. But the
ability to plaster the landscape and pine trees for carbon purposes,
as you well know, as the Prime Minister has articulated,
(04:19):
has reached its high point. Should we be going?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Should we be allowing one hundred percent offsetting very few
other countries? Are we the only country that does.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It while you're really raising a deeper question, which is
what we're taking to the next election. Why are the
food industries of New Zealand subject to this un driven
set of climate obligations. We're taking remits to our party
conference in September, and if we can get our party
members to accept that food industry should be exempt from
(04:50):
the Paris Accord, then we'll be able to take that
forward as a key part of our manifesto and God
willing contribute that to the formation of a future government
if we get enough folks on the center right side.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
So basically you and Winston just want us out of Paris, right.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, Winston's the foreign Minister, and Paris Accord is a
part of foreign policy. And as great line to me
as when talking about foreign affairs, Shane Jones, Yes, stick
to your lane and less there's more. And as he
flew out to Paris and to Nice, and as he
goes to other places New York and such famous sites
of great influence, he says, Shane, I'm going to New
(05:28):
York and you're going to Mourniua. So there's the monde
in the real power.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Lies mind you to be fair to you You've just
come back this week from Singapore. What was on over there.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Our large conference where we were promoting investment to rebuy,
reinvigorate the gas industry. Without gas will be condemned to
use Indonesian coal. I've got nothing against the Indonesians. We
should be digging up our own coal. And my message
to the dairy farming producers and processes stop this mad
(06:02):
drive flight towards demonizing the coal industry. We are going
to need all options, including gas and coal well towards
twenty to fifty. And this unicorn kissing fairytale territory that
somehow wind and solar is going to save New Zealand,
and New Zealand single handedly can save the planet from
(06:23):
the climate cultism. That's not the state of New Zealand
first beliefs.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Well, there you go. He's getting a big hand from
the crowd here AT's Mystery Creek. Just finally, August the
twenty second to Pokey the Rugby Club. You and I
are doing a fundraiser together. Yes, and we're going to
let you off the chain Chatham House rules. How good
will that be if you're anywhere?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
NaN's a pookey ah Chathamhouse rules didn't work too good
for phil Goth so I kind of regard most of
what I have to say. It's going to make its
way to the front page of the paper. But look,
it's really important for politicians who like to promote personality,
and of course Mark Patterson will say Shane promote ego.
(07:08):
There's a difference between the feckless South and the reckless North.
Was it the other way around. I've got my colleagues,
Mark and Andy and the audience, and it's good to
be here as a team, and it's really good also
to go out and support fundraising activities. And Jenny, Jenny
is constantly making sure that I don't make a fool
of myself in parliament. Jenny Marcroft, you haven't begun to
(07:31):
make an impression as of yet. But Jenny also has
been fighting a fight Jamie against the Auckland City Council
for the for the over development of property and the
destruction of our marine farming industry. So it's not only
terrestrial farming. I'm also a champion for marine farming. I'll
(07:52):
be there at Tippuke. I was a rugby player, but
as my father said, Shane, you were born with a
Dictionary in your mouth and it didn't stop. It went
on the rugby field.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Sadly, ladies and gentlemen. Shane Jones thank you very much
for your time. Enjoyed the cheese from open country there, folks,
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