July 2, 2025 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Sir David Carter, Wayne Langford, Peter Weir, Jock Ross, and Craig "Wiggy" Wiggins.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
We have.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Well, good afternoon, New Zealand and welcome to the Country.
And we're all over the country today because we are
in ash Burton Rural Coburg Open Day. I've never seen
so many people, or i won't see so many people
until Forsyth Stadium on Saturday, of course, hometown of Dunedin.
Looking forward to the test there and for those of
you who have just joined us, because I'm not sure
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whether this was in the top of the hour news
at midday, the All Blacks have named their team to
play France and perhaps something's to look at Muel starting
in the front row. Fabian Holland gets a debut, a
starting debut I might add two with Scott Barrett. Ardie
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saves at seven to two pou VI's at six. Christian
Leo Willie makes a debut a starting debut at number
eight as expected, cam Roygarden, Bowden Barrett will combine in
the nine and ten Jerseys. Jordy Barrett starting with Billy
Proctor in the midfield and good to see Rico. You
only go back to where he belongs on the wing
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with Severy Reesewill Jordan at fullback and off the bench.
Will Duplessy Carrefee will make his debut as will Ollie Norris.
More about that later in Sport with Andy McDonald's paneling
the show out of Dunedin today, but we're going to
kick it off with a super celebrity. Guess you don't
get to be called a sir for nothing, Sir David Carter,
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of course, Minister of Agriculture from two thousand and eight
to twenty thirteen, Minister of Forestry from two thousand and
eight to twenty eleven. He might correct me on that,
but your connection with Rural Co as you're the chairman.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I'm the chairman of the board.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
So I came on to the board five years ago
as I left Parliament and then a couple of years
later became chairman of Rural Co.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It's a privilege to do so.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
To explain Rural co to the great unwashed around the
rest of the country. It's sort of like a farmlands
or a CRT as they was we're back in those days.
It's a cooperative and all the farmers become shareholders and
they join in the profits hopefully.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
David, exactly right. It's a cooperative as you say.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
It was formed sixty three years ago, started trading as
the as Certain Trading Society, then changed his name more
recently to Rural co We have about three and a
half thousand shareholders, very much locally based. It's mid Canterbury
and that most of our farmers in Mid Canterbury would
be shareholders and members of and hopefully.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
We'll be taught it well.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
We'll definitely be talking to some of them today on
the show. We've got a full dance card. More about
that later. But you're farming these days and you're still
actively farming on the Bank's peninsula.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
That's not in Mid Canterbury obviously. Do you still get
your deals off rural Code.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Oh absolutely, I've been a shareholder now for a number
of years. While I say we're mainly based in mid Canterbury,
we spread right throughout North Canterbury, for example, the West Coast,
South even we have shareholders as far as down Niki,
so we're.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Right around the country.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Competing with other farm supply companies obviously and cooperatives we're
about delivering the best competitive pricing weekend to our members.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And just before I forget and Bill Teme, who's my
technical assistant here, does a great job. We're spending half
of our life together these days. Remind me before the
end of the hour that I've got a two one
thousand dollars vouchers to give away, one to someone in
here and one a weaver for anyone listen around the country.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
But obviously you're going to have to buy it off.
Rural Cut.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
That sounds like a good deal, that's a good promotion.
But you know, the install days have been running for
thirty one years. They are just part of our culture
and they bring a lot of people into town.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
For social interaction.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
There are also some super super deals out there for
the farmers if they go not for them.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Okay, let's put on your former Minister of Agriculture. Hats
sir David Carter. You held the job from two thousand
and eight to twenty thirteen, and I think Nathan Guy
then took it on after you.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I became speaker and beginning of thirteen so nothing Guy
took over the portfolio.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And how do you reckon the current speaker's going. I
reckon he could be a bit tougher old Jerry Brownlee listen.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
I don't want to criticize him because every speaker's got
their own style and their own way of doing things.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
But yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Standards have slipped and he's got a responsibility there to
make democracy work build.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
He's got some tough customers to deal with, There's no
doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
The good news is I'm out there farming actively every day,
so I don't go and watch question time o'clock?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Can I criticize the speaker before that? Who was the
worst speaker in the history of speakers, Trevor Mallard. I
reckon he's responsible for their downfall of standards in the House.
I think you shouldn't be wearing cowboy hats like bang
on about this, but it annoys.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
The hell out of me.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Well, frankly, I think it's we talk about Parliament being
the highest court in the land. I think the least
they could do is the guy should have put a tie,
a color and tie on and when they come in
Trevor relats that rule. I think that was the start
of the dropping of the standards. But as I say,
you're not meant to criticize speakers. You might get you
and you and me into trouble.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Jamie, Oh, I don't care if I get this hack.
It's not the end of the world now for me.
Where do you see agriculture at the moment, Because there
was some good farming years in two thousand and eight
to twenty thirteen. Admittedly we had the GFC at the
beginning of that, but you know John Key was supposedly
presiding over the rockstar economy.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Yeah, I think this time you're seeing an economy that's
very strongly based on the prime sector. The sheep and
beef outlooks as good as it's been. The dairy industry
just speaks for herself. It's a purb performance by the
dairy guys. And I'm close to Christy. It's some second
largest city in New Zealand. The economy there has been
driven by the performance of Canterbury. The outlook for farming
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looks really, really positive. We've continue to open up good markets.
China is still extremely important to us. Very pleased to
see miss to luxon now in the last two weeks
talking to the Chinese caliparts. But we're exporting everywhere and
we've got some good free trading gal. We've got the
issue of mister Trump and what he might do tomorrow morning.
But we've just got to face that challenge if it
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comes now.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
You were also, as I said, the Minister of Forestry,
and I've been talking to some of the locals here.
We're going to have one of your locals on, a
guy by the.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Name of Peter ware.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I think you know him quite well, and he's just
come back from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, where he tells
me farming and forestry happily co exist. And I think
that farming and forestry can happily coexist, but I'm not
a fan of carbon farming, spray and walk away, and
that's where Peter and I might disagree.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
And listen, I'm on your sign. The reason we signed
Paris in two thousand and five and we developed the
system around carbon credits was actually to give science an
opportunity to develop solutions by which would reduce emissions. We've
actually grabbed the carbon credits and many people are farming
for them and doing reasony well. In the meantime, the
big emitters haven't focused on reducing emissions, and I've seen
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emissions increase, not only in New Zealand, but right around
the world. I don't like carbon farming land.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I'm not a fan of it.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
No good on you and see the other my other
beef of this one, and I am a broken record,
but I might get you to agree with me on
this one. Now, climate change, global warm and greenhouse scarce
emissions is not the fault of animals, because they haven't
increased in population, certainly since nineteen ninety and probably not
since the beginning of time when there were buffalo rot
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owning the planes. So the problem in the world is
man burning fossil fuels, in my mind, not productive animals
emitting metho.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
The biggest part of the problem is fossil for your usage,
and that's from the point I'm making is we've got
to concentrate on reducing those emissions. The Paris Accord was
equally quite important when it stated we have to feed
the world at the same time, and in my mind,
a bigger issue to this world than climate change is
actually food security. It will not be a peaceful place
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unless we find a way to feed the current world.
And that's why the outlook for New Zealand is so positive.
We're good at producing quality food.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And when it comes to producing quality food, I mean
I guess of mid Canterbury where we are today, esh
Burton is kind of the grain bowl or the seed
bowl of this nation.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
I look at the soils here.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
We were driving down from the Christchurch airport this morning
and there is some beautiful farm land here.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
You can do anything with it, yep, and.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
You seem TOI occasion, we were talking to a guy
at the requires store today of Rural Coat who's growing
bolbs lily bobs, which they explored all around the world.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
He had markets everywhere, which.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Back to a guy earlier today who's doing Bostroy seed, which.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
They're now sending to China.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
The future for Canterbury is to recognize those really good,
top quality soils and to see diversification in those really
high value products and that will happen.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Hey a final word, because you were known not only
when you were Speaker of the House but also when
you were in there for having a few clashes with
my old mate Winston Peters.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Have you mended that, fans or are you too? Are
you and I'm still sparring? No, we're not sparring.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Well, I'm not sparring, but I don't think he ever forgets.
So of course it all went around a defamation case
he fired against me, I appealed at I won.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Winston doesn't like to lose. So there's a love hate
relationship there. I love the guy. I think he's doing
a great a job, but he still hates me.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Okay, what about Shane Jones? Do you reckon he's good
for the country.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I think he's doing a great job. Yeah, he's saying
a lot of the things that I think National should
be saying. They need to tough en up, and that's
why the Colossians coalition's working well. And you've got Actor
speaks out. You've got New Zealand first, that speaks out
long mate last year.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
So what you're telling me? And I'm putting words in
your mouth here orly, but the Nats are too woke.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
I think there's an opportunity for them to speak out
a lot more. Stars of the question, it's a funny word.
I think there's an opportunity for National to speak out
a lot more, and they need to do that between
now and the next election, which is only eighteen months away.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I'll take that as a yes. Sir David Carter, Chair
of Rural Co, thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
If you're hearing.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Background noise because it's so busy here we're in the
like where everyone's eating lunch, it's because a couple of.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
My next two guests haven't got an inside voice.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Wayne Langford, the president of Federated Farmers, has made his
way down here from a flood stricken Tasman region.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
And Craig Wiggy Wiggins, a legend.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
In his own lunchtime rural Rural Health and mental health advocate,
will be chatting to those guys before the end of
the hour. Also a local by the name of Peter
Ware who's president of his former president of the New
Zealand Forest Owners Association. He might have a contrary view
about carbon farming to Sir David and myself.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
We have put the call out for big Jock Ross.
Have we got him? All right?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Okay, so Jock Ross is here, we're going to well,
he won't be hard to spot.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
He's the tallest.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Oh, there he goes. I can see him already. So
we're gonna have a yarm to Jock Ross because I
think we did a broadcast here a bill many many
years ago. I think it's longer than that, and I
think we spoke to Jock, so we might revisit that,
and if we get time before the end of the hour,
we're going to whip down two in the cargole. It's
day one of the FMG Young Farmer Grand Final. Of course,
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the Cloak of Knowledge will be handed over on Saturday night,
but we'll do a scene set with Tareda down there.
It is nineteen after twelve. We'll be back after the
break with the President of Federated Farmers twenty am I
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on air, Yes, twenty let me turn that up a weave.
Twenty broadcast Life broadcasts are always done twenty two after twelve.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
I finally spat it out.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I was just trying to organize my two one thousand
dollars Rural Co vouchers that I've got to give away.
I'm going to give one away to someone after one o'clock.
There's literally thousands of people here in Ashburton today. But
for the rest of you listening around the country, as
long as you've obviously prepared to spend it at Rural
Co in Ashburton. Here, I've got a one thousand dollars
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vouchure to spend. All you've got to do is text
rural the word to five double o nine, give us
your name and where you're from so we know how
to send it out to you on a courier. Right,
this bloke has made it's all the way down here
from a flood ravaged Tasman region, the president of Federated
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Farmer's Wayne Langford, and I see in the news at
the top of the hour that the Tasman region is
under a heavy orange rain warning until seven pm tonight.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
When did you leave to come down here?
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Yeah, well I actually left earlier in the week, so
I've dodged it for now. But certainly a bit of
a concern and I'm really acknowledging those farmers. I'll be
stressing right now because just talked to my feed's team
there and Nelson. They said, at the rain it is raining,
and I'm just a bit worried about what's going to
come overnight.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
So how did your farm fair and Golden Bay.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
Well, thankfully we got away pretty pretty well. Yeah, so
we got four hundred odd mills, but it came pretty consistently,
so it just came and went but over the other
side of the Motawak, the Nelson Valley and the Waiale Valley, Yeah,
certainly got smoked.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
But now, yeah, we've seen some horrible pictures of some
of those well the hot farmers for instance, and their
plants and their fences or whatever you call them.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
They put the plants up against. They don't stand up
well to flood water, No they don't.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
There's going to be a fair bit of work there
obviously down those valleys, and a lot of lifestyle blocks,
a lot of horticulture and some significant farms as well.
So we'll get through this next couple of days and
then early next week we'll work out right how we're
going to clean this up and get them gone again.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
So Federated Farmers operate your eight hundred number, and I've
forgotten that.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
You can tell that's easy eight hundred farming. It's an
easy one to remember.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
So if you've got.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
Any troubles of concerns, certainly Ring Feeds also a Royal
Sport Trust obviously doing some fantastic work this week as well.
So between the two of us, hopefully we're better help
you out and get you going, and then also acknowledge
that yeah, next week is the week we're all kicking
and get the works out and I'm planning everyone up again.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Well, you're like me, you've spent the last month quite
literally on the road. Of course, we crossed paths.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Was it last week? It was last week at the
primary industry summer. Have you been home yet?
Speaker 7 (15:11):
I snuck home Friday night after the feed's AGM and yeah,
we came across the Monowacre Bridge actually in full flood.
There was just starting to lap over the Monawacre Bridge
and a few bars of bailliage come rolling down the
river and went under there too. So I hear there's
a couple of cows out on the estree, or there
were last week. Hopefully they've been sorted out. But yeah, no,
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she's not good and she's gone for another patch obviously
tonight as well.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
What's your connection with Rural Co because this is primarily,
as David Carter said, servicing farmers in mid Canterbury.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
You're a week but far out of the catchment.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
You know, whenever there's a group of farmers and a
free feed, I'll be here. So that's my connection here today.
I'm just here to meet with farmers and talk with
farmers and weave the Fed's flag a bit. But also
I spent some time here in Ashburton during my UNI years.
I did my practical year out in Hinz, so I
know what a freezing cold morning shifting a cow fence
and cannabories like. And so I'm mixing and mingling here
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a bit today to chat with a few people.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
So was your practical year on a cropping farm?
Speaker 7 (16:16):
I did a deer farm, so I was velveting for
I did two velveting seasons and working.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
With deer, so that was yeah. I loved it.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Actually, yeah, if I wasn't dairy farming, I'll be deer
farming for well, I know you love your cows. Well
are you getting a wee bit concerned?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I mean I heard industry comment, don't panic after yesterday's
fall on the GDT.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
But five percent is five percent.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Maybe that ten might be out of reach, although a
lot of people are saying it's still on.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Yeah, Well, let's hope so right, And the old adage
don't don't well, my grandfather always said don't spend your
wheel check until you've got it, and that's the same
with the milk check as well. A lot next October
is a long way away, so yeah, the best is
some conservative budgets, but hopefully we're still looking all up
for the for now.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Okay, Hey Wayne Langord, thank you very much for coming
along today. I reckon you turn up at the opening
of an envelope. As you say, you're a bit like me.
A free feed and a bunch of farmers. There's worse
ways to spend a rainy mid Canterbury day.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
And I'm making my way south Young Farmer's Final on Saturday.
So are we heading down there looking forward to that?
That is one of the best shows of the year.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Absolutely, We'll be chatting to Radar before the end of
the hour hopefully and Rowena now with the FMG, will
be there tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Who's your Tasman finalist?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Great question?
Speaker 8 (17:33):
I often say this.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
I'm a national president so I'm cheering for them all.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
But go Tesman? Oh okay, there we go.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Well, I think the local guy here for ARANGI is
Gareth mckirchheer, I think, and we enjoyed his company at
the South Island Airy event and we've got cam Smith
representing my region Otago South. Look at this twenty eight
alfter twelve. We're going to take a break come back
on the other side. I might actually try if you've
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got your airs on an Auckland Andy to go to
Peter Ware.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
You've got a phone, Yep, you've got a phone number.
We're going to do that next.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Former president of the New Zealand Forest Owners Association and
a landowner here in Ashburton before the end of the hour,
no show without punch.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Craig Wiggy Wiggins.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Jock Gross is running around here somewhere, and if we
get time down to in Bicago to chat to Terradar
on day one of the FMG Young Farmer Grand Final
and in Bicargoo back after the break, Welcome back to
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the country Rural co Opening day.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Jeez, there's a lot of people here.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
One man who was meant to be here but he
stood me up as Peter Ware local. Well, he's got
farmland down here, a wee farm, he tells me, and
a wee bit of forestry. Former president of the New
Zealand Forest Stoner's Association and Peter You're just back from Estonia,
Latvia and Lithuania, where you say farming and forestry happily coexist.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Do I take it from that that they're not doing
that in New Zealand. Good afternoon, goody Jamie.
Speaker 9 (19:16):
Yes, spot On and Finland as well. Delightful countries and yes,
peaceful coexistence I called it.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, Well, I don't know whether you're caught up with
David Carter and myself a wee bit earlier in the
our having a yarn about carbon farming per se.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
I'm not a fan. You've got a couple of minutes
to convince me otherwise, thanky.
Speaker 9 (19:36):
Well, let's frame the discussion to point out the government
and not proposing a ban on planting farmland Jamie. Rather
they're putting a ban at a mission of new forests
on class one to sixth land into the New Zealand
ets now just quietly existing owners of registered posted on
forests quite like this, me included, We quite like the
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idea of a ban on new entrance because it increases
our forest value and presumably will actually increase the price
of emission units in the etes. Okay, so that sets
the framework, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
So did we make a mistake by allowing one hundred
percent offsetting in the Etes for exotic pine plantations?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
No other comptries.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Government back in David Carter's time fought hard for that.
I was at a un Kyoto Protocol meeting in Montreal
two thousand and five. New Zealand led the charge to
be able to do land juice change in forestry, so
our fingerprints were all over that. Hey, But come forward
to twenty twenty five. I think what MPI proposing right
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now is terribly ill conceived policy. All it's doing is
serving to incripple investment in plantation forestry. But worse, it's
directing forestry under the worst of the worst of roadable
land in New Zealand Class seven and eight. That's exactly
where you don't want it. It's an mp I have
really really got it wrong here, and my view, good
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policy would encourage forestry on the class one to six
land within one hundred and fifty kilometers of port By
DEALI with a rainfall, want to hang.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
On, hang on, Peter, I've got to pull you up there.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Well, that would mean some of our best food growing
land would end up in pine trees.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
You've been you've been, understand Jamie.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
No, no, no, Well, I don't care what the market stands, Peter.
It's just a blight on the landscape. And we've got
to eat. I think you've been indoctrinated by Dennis Neilson.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
No, Jamie.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
I mean land use flexibility has been key to the
New Zealand economy. You wouldn't want to lock farmers and
emu farming or angora goats, would you. No?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
No, But to talk to you're talking to someone who
had a bad experience with goats in the nineteen eighties,
so I can speak from experience here. But the difference
between goats is you can shoot them if you get
sick of them. It's very difficult to change a twenty
year old pine plantation into good pastoral land if there's
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no money in carbon farming or production forestry.
Speaker 9 (22:08):
Well two strands that you're absolutely wrong. If you look
at the sin lay farms around dunsandaled A North Bank,
they were all old cell and plantation board, yes, well
gone you had a paper lime and now the dairy farms.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
Yeah I know. Well Bill to me, who's taken me
down from christ Church?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
My tech guy here today and I were discussing just that,
how that all used to be pines in the seventies,
but we invented a thing called irrigation which changed the
land use, and we can grow food on that land.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Now not low value pine trees.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
Well you'll grow pretty high value pine trees f you
plant them within one hundred, one hundred and fifty k's
of a port, because it's transport that kills the profitability
at plantation forestry more than turn a case away you doom.
But just in behind Timaru, those rolling hills magnificently. All
plantation forests on rolling productive country and leap all forget
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plantations are productive, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Well, I know they're productive, and I'm a full supporter,
as you know from the Forestry Awards when we were
last chatting for production forestry. But the trouble is, you
know under your method you would basically have our best
land and pine trees.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Surely ours you said class one to six.
Speaker 9 (23:27):
Now surely that's three to six.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Okay, Well that's still including good rolling pastoral land that
can grow.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Look how much the beef is worth at the moment?
Speaker 9 (23:38):
Yeah, I look, and it will stay in beef as
a profitable I look at Kainger our forest, central North Island,
a failed sheep farm because of mineral deficiency. That forest
owned by the New Zealand super Farm just prints money
because it's flat and because it's got a good connection
to saw mills and to the port. There is nothing
wrong with profitable forestry stuff that's turing a case the
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way they will ever be harvested, that should be shut down.
But that's a separate issue, and I think that the
data that are over anyway.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
OK, Peter as a former president of the New Zealand
forest Owners Association. This new legislation comes into being in
a couple of months time.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
What would you like to see throw me an alternative listen.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
I think Toby Williams and Terry Copman of FEDS had
done their own members a huge disservice. I mean, for farmers,
the one to retire had to dropped their land value
because all the demand's gone. I just think market principles
should stand. I really think the whole issue is well
encapsulated by a guy called Richard Holloway who wrote Enough
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with the Forestry Scare Tactics and Farmers Weekly four weeks ago.
That article is worth a read.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
All right, hey Peter ware, thanks for some of your time.
Shame you can't be here today. Are being a bit
of an Ashburton local, but great to chat and great
to chew the fat on forestry.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
I think we might agree to disagree.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And hello to Dennis Now doubt he'll be listening and
sending off emails to all sorts after this conversation.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Great to have a chat with you.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
We're going to take a break on the other side
of it, Rural News with Michelle out of our Danita
HQ where everyone's starting to build for the Big Test.
Andy McDonald are paneling out of Auckland. We're going to
have a look at that new All Black team. So
four all Blacks we'll make. We'll have four new All Blacks.
Two on the field, Fabian Holland and Leo Willy on
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the field and a couple to come off the bench.
Duplessy Carrefy. This is just off the top of my head.
And Ollie Norris, Andy McDonald with more of that before
the end of the hour.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Craig Wiggy Wiggins and Jock Ross.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
What this.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Welcome back to the country from Ashburton today. It is
bang on twenty away from one. Just before we go
to Rural News with Michelle what in Dunedin. Remember we've
got a thousand dollars vouchure to giveaway to spend at
Rural Co. All you've got to do is text the
word rural to five double O nine and give us
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your name and where you're from so we can courier
the volcher out to you.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
Here's the latest and rural news with Michelle.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
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Speaker 10 (26:44):
Sorry about that. Didn't have a mic on the Upper
South Island's.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Being sex amateur our Michelle.
Speaker 10 (26:49):
I know, I know, I was too busy thinking about
the all blacks. That's pretty bad, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Anyway, Andy's going to tell us about that. You give
us the rural news.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
Okay.
Speaker 11 (26:58):
The weather's not looking too in the Upper South Island.
It's been saturated for a second time in the fortnight.
Marlborough remains under a state of emergency and Nelson and
Tasmans has been extended another week with a defense force
deployed as a precaution. So residents in the top half
of the North Island should also brace for heavy winds,
rain and thunderstorms. And I also see there is a
snow warning for around central Otaga and in the South Island.
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So before you travel anywhere today, just maybe go and
check out those weather warnings on met Service or your
local weather forecast before.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
You head out and about. And hiss Andy with Sports.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Sport with the Avco Kiwi to the boat since nineteen
oh four.
Speaker 12 (27:35):
Yes thanks Michelle and in sport for new Caps in
the All Blacks match Day twenty three to tackle France
and need it on Satnurday lock Fabian Holland a number
eight Christian Leo Willia named in the run on side
with prop Olin Norris and flanket Duplessi Carrife set to
debut off the bench.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Positional switches for Artie Savia.
Speaker 12 (27:51):
He goes from number eight to open side Tupoo Vay
moving from Locke to blindside flanker and Rico Yoanni. He
has been shifted to the left wing to accommodate center
Billy Proctor in the midfield alongside Vice captain Jordi Barrett.
In tennis, British star Emarta Caranu has won the tennis
duel between two former major winners in the second round
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at Wimbledon, beating at Marquita Vondru Sober in straight sets
to set up a meeting with top seed Arena Saberlenka
and finally, jockey Opie Bossen is coming out of retirement
just six months after galloping over the horizon with two thousand,
one hundred and forty six career wins.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Jamie that sport, Hey, Andy, I like this all black team.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I like the fact that they're brave enough to give
Fabian Holland a start. I really like Billy Proctor at
Santa Ricco Yuanni, in my mind.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Could still be the best wing in the world. It's
an Ardie Savera at seven.
Speaker 12 (28:47):
It feels like he's Scott's sort of broken the shackles
from the last the last coaching staff and sort of
selected the team he really wants.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
So I also like Tupu Bai at sixes.
Speaker 12 (28:57):
He was so good at lot last year but sort
of can't afford to not have him, and with Wallace
a Titi out, it sort of seems like a ready
made replacement there.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Well, Tupoo Vai.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Is like a brilliant athlete, and I think maybe I
was always a big fan of Scott Barrett actually being
at six but I got out voted on that one.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
But we just need big buggers. If we're going to
beat the spring Box at Eden.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Park on September the sixth, I think it is we
need big buggers and we've got a few in there.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
So there's Andy McDonald with Sport.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Thanks Andy, we're going to take another break on the
other side of it talking about rugby. Oh we've got
I'll go to Jock Ross and I've got Craig Wiggy Wiggins.
He's got nothing better to do than wait to be
my last man. So up next Jock Ross and Wiggy
Craig Wiggins.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
To wrap it. That is thirteen away from one, that
All Black team. I like the look of it.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
And just remember, if you want to win the thousand
dollars Rural Co voucher to spend it Rural cod You
can enter from anywhere around the country. Text rural the
word rural to five double O nine to go into
the drawer, put your name in where you're from as well,
and we'll send you out a voucher.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Right.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
I think we did one of.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
These about twelve years ago and we spoke to this gentleman,
a bit of a legend here in mid Canterbury, Jock Ross,
an All Black way back and off the top of
my head, I'm going to go with nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
How did I go, Jock?
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Well, you started off very well, Jamie. I'm I'm tressed.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Yeah, I'm good pressed. You have well to start with.
What do you make of the All Black team?
Speaker 8 (30:34):
I like it?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, I think he's got it pretty right. There's one
or two good players that have missed out. But you
won't have a good All Black side unless you've got
good players missing out.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
And are you referring to ethan blackhead of there? Probably?
Speaker 8 (30:46):
Yeah, Yeah, Harvely was another one. He did really well.
But you know they'll get their chance. Probably it's the
attrition rates quite high.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
And they'll get they'll get a crack on try Now,
you're a big man, you're one of the tallest guys
to have played for the All Blacks back in the day.
But a good made of mind. Lee high but he's
gone to the dark side now. But him and his
lovely wife Liz were kind of foster pearance almost to
Fabian Holland and Dunedin. So through Lee I've managed to
meet him and you've got you literally wrench your neck
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talking to the blog.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
He's a monster.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
No, he is.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
He's got he's got a real test locked body, and
he's very skillful and he knows, he knows what's going on.
He's got that tough Dutch sort of look about him,
and I think he'll be really good.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Well, twenty two is very young to be an All
Black tight forward, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Yeah, he's learned the game very well.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
He's obviously been very very well cached, and I think
that his contribution will be very good.
Speaker 8 (31:46):
I mean, you've got young Darry as well.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
But because you've got to have pressure Jamie from from
different guys to get the best.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
Out of him, and I think we've got that now.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Hey, how's the Mint Canterbury footy team going? Because I've
managed to drag up your page from Wikipedia. You paid
one hundred and fifty eight games yourself. Although I noted
nineteen eighty it did go to the dark side and
go up the road to play for Canterbury. Was that
to try and get into the All Blacks?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
No, not at all, completely complete fallacy. I went up
there for work and managed to get a few games
for Canterbury.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Mid Canterbury. What we've got here is going really well.
But the numbers are down, We've only got four sides,
four club sides.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
But last year they were in the Meads Cup final
which was very impressive and very satisfying, and if they
can build on that this year, that's the level.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
I mean, we don't want to go any higher. That's
our level.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Heartland Rugby is where we are and if we can
do well in that environment, we're all pretty happy.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
What's Chock Ross's doing with himself these days?
Speaker 8 (32:48):
You mean workwise?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Well, I'm still my oldest son Jared is running the business,
but I've still got a few roles and outside of that,
I'm the president going to be rug the Union, so
that takes me around a few things. Doing checking a few.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Has just remind me of the family business.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
Sorry, Rush Brothers Transport.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Yes, of course, we're a farming family really.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
But we sort of diverted into trucks forty years ago.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
But my great grandfathers came here in the eighteen eighties farming,
so we've just about achieved local status.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Jaming And what about your other land, the one that
was the all.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Black Isaac, Yeah, well he retired last year. He had
ten years in Japan. He had a couple of years
in Austin and a couple of years in San Diego
playing in the American League, and now he's gone back
to Japan as a coach. All these guys just seem
to keep getting jobs in the game.
Speaker 8 (33:41):
Today. They like an our day we stopped paying went
back to the farm. We won't see Isaac back on
the farm. He's always he's always a shiny sue boy anyway.
But he's doing well. He's well set up.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
He's got four sons at school in America and he's
you know, it's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Ah, Chuck Hobb's great to catch up with you again.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
And can I see to bring some old photos along
of a big sharing fundraiser you did here in mid
Canterbury and our old Dick Taylor's in the photo.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
He wouldn't be much He was a spunt farmer. He'd
be no use on the end of a hand piece.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Dick and I started Timoru Boys High same year in
nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
Did you both spend two years in the fifth form?
Speaker 8 (34:20):
Pretty much?
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Dick was just there to mark the athletic one track
and run around it quickly.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
One of us got expelled and the other one should
have but we both end up winning the test Maker's
Cup for those outstanding old boys.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
So you work all that out.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, good on your jock cross absolute legend, another local legend,
and we're going to wrap the show with him as
Craig Wiggy Wiggins.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
We will take a break. It is eight away from
one back on the other side of it to wrap it.
From Rural Co.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Welcome back to the country, coming from Ashburton, Heartland, Rural
New Zealand. I saved the best for Lass Craig Wiggy
Wiggins rural or rural and physical health advocates. Did I
get that right? You're a health advocate, Wiggy and you
know you and I give each other a bit of stick.
But you're doing a bloody good job.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
What are you up to?
Speaker 13 (35:10):
Yeah, thinks Sammy, you would be really busy lately. Slave
mcfallan and Andrew rolling from Fullside Bar Slide from Mates
and Construction. We've been in whatever with We've been trapping
around the country doing quite a few events at Club
New Zealand, like the Workingmen's clubs, the risas and mesas
and stuff and basically looking forward to being able to
bring a lot of training for the Rural Service industries
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into rural New Zealand so that people in the stock
agents and agronomous and vents they can actually reach out
to their clients and know that's okay to do it.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Absolutely, you've downsized your farming operation here at Mid Canterbury.
You're a bit of a towning now like myself. But
it is I was just saying too, I think David
Carter a bit earlier in the hour, you would go
a long way in New Zealand to buy to find
better farmland than here in Mid Canterbury. This is where
all the you know, for instance, the seed crops are
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grown for the country and the world.
Speaker 13 (36:01):
Yeah, there's a pilethora of stuff that happens here, whether
it's seeds, berries, you know, there's apple. There's an apple
orchard getting build here now. It's always been a great
place to breed you using lambs and rams and balls
and stuff, you know. I just talked of a deer farmer.
He's on a roll as well as well as a
dairy industry too, So there's a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I had an interest in discussion with Peter ware on
carbon farming. We agreed to disagree, but I don't want
to see the Canterbury planes like they were in the
nineteen seventies covered in pine trees.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
No, not at all. You know, there's a place for
every tree. There's the right place and it's a matter
of getting it right. The thing to do.
Speaker 13 (36:41):
You know, we do need some good wind breaks and
stuff here, so let's be able to benefit from those
rather than blanket blanket plantings.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, and the farmers should be given credit for everything
on their farm that sequesters carbon and that includes a
lot of those big wind breaks.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 13 (36:58):
And if you actually do fly over Cannibry, there's a
lot of them, so you know we should be able
to count those.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
And it's just getting the formula right, I guess.
Speaker 13 (37:04):
But yeah, the big thing is Jamie, if there's a
weddaylight this and farmers are in here connecting, that's that's
the most important thing.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Really good, a problem shared is a problem halved.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
And I'm looking we're broadcasting from a marquee outside of
rural coat and I think Ashburton was heading for a
high five degrees today. I think it would struggle to
be that. But we've got a beautiful big heater from
where we're broadcasting, so just good to.
Speaker 13 (37:28):
Be here, yea it is and great food, great atmosphere.
All we need is a gate for them to lean on, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
And I'll be right of my own Allie, Well, you
do a good job in all seriousness, so you won't
be in Dunedin over the weekend for the rugby No
not I missed that invite to your corporate box made,
but I'm looking forward to the next one.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
Well you can hey.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
And just before we go, folks, because it's time to
wrap it from here, I have got a thousand dollars
voucher to give away. If you're on site, come up
and plead your case. Apart from you Wigi, but for
those of you who are listening in text rural to
five double nine, your name and where you're from, and
we'll pick a w before the end of the hour.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
We will catch you back in Dunedin tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
We have.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Well, good afternoon, New Zealand and welcome to the Country.
And we're all over the country today because we are
in ash Burton Rural Coburg Open Day. I've never seen
so many people, or i won't see so many people
until Forsyth Stadium on Saturday, of course, hometown of Dunedin.
Looking forward to the test there and for those of
you who have just joined us, because I'm not sure
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whether this was in the top of the hour news
at midday, the All Blacks have named their team to
play France and perhaps something's to look at Muel starting
in the front row. Fabian Holland gets a debut, a
starting debut I might add two with Scott Barrett. Ardie
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saves at seven to two pou VI's at six. Christian
Leo Willie makes a debut a starting debut at number
eight as expected, cam Roygarden, Bowden Barrett will combine in
the nine and ten Jerseys. Jordy Barrett starting with Billy
Proctor in the midfield and good to see Rico. You
only go back to where he belongs on the wing
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with Severy Reesewill Jordan at fullback and off the bench.
Will Duplessy Carrefee will make his debut as will Ollie Norris.
More about that later in Sport with Andy McDonald's paneling
the show out of Dunedin today, but we're going to
kick it off with a super celebrity. Guess you don't
get to be called a sir for nothing, Sir David Carter,
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of course, Minister of Agriculture from two thousand and eight
to twenty thirteen, Minister of Forestry from two thousand and
eight to twenty eleven. He might correct me on that,
but your connection with Rural Co as you're the chairman.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I'm the chairman of the board.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
So I came on to the board five years ago
as I left Parliament and then a couple of years
later became chairman of Rural Co.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It's a privilege to do so.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
To explain Rural co to the great unwashed around the
rest of the country. It's sort of like a farmlands
or a CRT as they was we're back in those days.
It's a cooperative and all the farmers become shareholders and
they join in the profits hopefully.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
David, exactly right. It's a cooperative as you say.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
It was formed sixty three years ago, started trading as
the as Certain Trading Society, then changed his name more
recently to Rural co We have about three and a
half thousand shareholders, very much locally based. It's mid Canterbury
and that most of our farmers in Mid Canterbury would
be shareholders and members of and hopefully.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
We'll be taught it well.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
We'll definitely be talking to some of them today on
the show. We've got a full dance card. More about
that later. But you're farming these days and you're still
actively farming on the Bank's peninsula.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
That's not in Mid Canterbury obviously. Do you still get
your deals off rural Code.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Oh absolutely, I've been a shareholder now for a number
of years. While I say we're mainly based in mid Canterbury,
we spread right throughout North Canterbury, for example, the West Coast,
South even we have shareholders as far as down Niki,
so we're.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Right around the country.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Competing with other farm supply companies obviously and cooperatives we're
about delivering the best competitive pricing weekend to our members.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And just before I forget and Bill Teme, who's my
technical assistant here, does a great job. We're spending half
of our life together these days. Remind me before the
end of the hour that I've got a two one
thousand dollars vouchers to give away, one to someone in
here and one a weaver for anyone listen around the country.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
But obviously you're going to have to buy it off.
Rural Cut.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
That sounds like a good deal, that's a good promotion.
But you know, the install days have been running for
thirty one years. They are just part of our culture
and they bring a lot of people into town.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
For social interaction.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
There are also some super super deals out there for
the farmers if they go not for them.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Okay, let's put on your former Minister of Agriculture. Hats
sir David Carter. You held the job from two thousand
and eight to twenty thirteen, and I think Nathan Guy
then took it on after you.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I became speaker and beginning of thirteen so nothing Guy
took over the portfolio.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And how do you reckon the current speaker's going. I
reckon he could be a bit tougher old Jerry Brownlee listen.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
I don't want to criticize him because every speaker's got
their own style and their own way of doing things.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
But yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Standards have slipped and he's got a responsibility there to
make democracy work build.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
He's got some tough customers to deal with, There's no
doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
The good news is I'm out there farming actively every day,
so I don't go and watch question time o'clock?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Can I criticize the speaker before that? Who was the
worst speaker in the history of speakers, Trevor Mallard. I
reckon he's responsible for their downfall of standards in the House.
I think you shouldn't be wearing cowboy hats like bang
on about this, but it annoys.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
The hell out of me.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Well, frankly, I think it's we talk about Parliament being
the highest court in the land. I think the least
they could do is the guy should have put a tie,
a color and tie on and when they come in
Trevor relats that rule. I think that was the start
of the dropping of the standards. But as I say,
you're not meant to criticize speakers. You might get you
and you and me into trouble.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Jamie, Oh, I don't care if I get this hack.
It's not the end of the world now for me.
Where do you see agriculture at the moment, Because there
was some good farming years in two thousand and eight
to twenty thirteen. Admittedly we had the GFC at the
beginning of that, but you know John Key was supposedly
presiding over the rockstar economy.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Yeah, I think this time you're seeing an economy that's
very strongly based on the prime sector. The sheep and
beef outlooks as good as it's been. The dairy industry
just speaks for herself. It's a purb performance by the
dairy guys. And I'm close to Christy. It's some second
largest city in New Zealand. The economy there has been
driven by the performance of Canterbury. The outlook for farming
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looks really, really positive. We've continue to open up good markets.
China is still extremely important to us. Very pleased to
see miss to luxon now in the last two weeks
talking to the Chinese caliparts. But we're exporting everywhere and
we've got some good free trading gal. We've got the
issue of mister Trump and what he might do tomorrow morning.
But we've just got to face that challenge if it
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comes now.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
You were also, as I said, the Minister of Forestry,
and I've been talking to some of the locals here.
We're going to have one of your locals on, a
guy by the.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Name of Peter ware.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I think you know him quite well, and he's just
come back from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, where he tells
me farming and forestry happily co exist. And I think
that farming and forestry can happily coexist, but I'm not
a fan of carbon farming, spray and walk away, and
that's where Peter and I might disagree.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
And listen, I'm on your sign. The reason we signed
Paris in two thousand and five and we developed the
system around carbon credits was actually to give science an
opportunity to develop solutions by which would reduce emissions. We've
actually grabbed the carbon credits and many people are farming
for them and doing reasony well. In the meantime, the
big emitters haven't focused on reducing emissions, and I've seen
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emissions increase, not only in New Zealand, but right around
the world. I don't like carbon farming land.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I'm not a fan of it.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
No good on you and see the other my other
beef of this one, and I am a broken record,
but I might get you to agree with me on
this one. Now, climate change, global warm and greenhouse scarce
emissions is not the fault of animals, because they haven't
increased in population, certainly since nineteen ninety and probably not
since the beginning of time when there were buffalo rot
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owning the planes. So the problem in the world is
man burning fossil fuels, in my mind, not productive animals
emitting metho.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
The biggest part of the problem is fossil for your usage,
and that's from the point I'm making is we've got
to concentrate on reducing those emissions. The Paris Accord was
equally quite important when it stated we have to feed
the world at the same time, and in my mind,
a bigger issue to this world than climate change is
actually food security. It will not be a peaceful place
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unless we find a way to feed the current world.
And that's why the outlook for New Zealand is so positive.
We're good at producing quality food.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And when it comes to producing quality food, I mean
I guess of mid Canterbury where we are today, esh
Burton is kind of the grain bowl or the seed
bowl of this nation.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
I look at the soils here.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
We were driving down from the Christchurch airport this morning
and there is some beautiful farm land here.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
You can do anything with it, yep, and.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
You seem TOI occasion, we were talking to a guy
at the requires store today of Rural Coat who's growing
bolbs lily bobs, which they explored all around the world.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
He had markets everywhere, which.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Back to a guy earlier today who's doing Bostroy seed, which.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
They're now sending to China.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
The future for Canterbury is to recognize those really good,
top quality soils and to see diversification in those really
high value products and that will happen.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Hey a final word, because you were known not only
when you were Speaker of the House but also when
you were in there for having a few clashes with
my old mate Winston Peters.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Have you mended that, fans or are you too? Are
you and I'm still sparring? No, we're not sparring.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Well, I'm not sparring, but I don't think he ever forgets.
So of course it all went around a defamation case
he fired against me, I appealed at I won.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Winston doesn't like to lose. So there's a love hate
relationship there. I love the guy. I think he's doing
a great a job, but he still hates me.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Okay, what about Shane Jones? Do you reckon he's good
for the country.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
I think he's doing a great job. Yeah, he's saying
a lot of the things that I think National should
be saying. They need to tough en up, and that's
why the Colossians coalition's working well. And you've got Actor
speaks out. You've got New Zealand first, that speaks out
long mate last year.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
So what you're telling me? And I'm putting words in
your mouth here orly, but the Nats are too woke.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
I think there's an opportunity for them to speak out
a lot more. Stars of the question, it's a funny word.
I think there's an opportunity for National to speak out
a lot more, and they need to do that between
now and the next election, which is only eighteen months away.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I'll take that as a yes. Sir David Carter, Chair
of Rural Co, thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
If you're hearing.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Background noise because it's so busy here we're in the
like where everyone's eating lunch, it's because a couple of.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
My next two guests haven't got an inside voice.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Wayne Langford, the president of Federated Farmers, has made his
way down here from a flood stricken Tasman region.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
And Craig Wiggy Wiggins, a legend.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
In his own lunchtime rural Rural Health and mental health advocate,
will be chatting to those guys before the end of
the hour. Also a local by the name of Peter
Ware who's president of his former president of the New
Zealand Forest Owners Association. He might have a contrary view
about carbon farming to Sir David and myself.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
We have put the call out for big Jock Ross.
Have we got him? All right?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Okay, so Jock Ross is here, we're going to well,
he won't be hard to spot.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
He's the tallest.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Oh, there he goes. I can see him already. So
we're gonna have a yarm to Jock Ross because I
think we did a broadcast here a bill many many
years ago. I think it's longer than that, and I
think we spoke to Jock, so we might revisit that,
and if we get time before the end of the hour,
we're going to whip down two in the cargole. It's
day one of the FMG Young Farmer Grand Final. Of course,
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the Cloak of Knowledge will be handed over on Saturday night,
but we'll do a scene set with Tareda down there.
It is nineteen after twelve. We'll be back after the
break with the President of Federated Farmers twenty am I
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on air, Yes, twenty let me turn that up a weave.
Twenty broadcast Life broadcasts are always done twenty two after twelve.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
I finally spat it out.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I was just trying to organize my two one thousand
dollars Rural Co vouchers that I've got to give away.
I'm going to give one away to someone after one o'clock.
There's literally thousands of people here in Ashburton today. But
for the rest of you listening around the country, as
long as you've obviously prepared to spend it at Rural
Co in Ashburton. Here, I've got a one thousand dollars
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your name and where you're from so we know how
to send it out to you on a courier. Right,
this bloke has made it's all the way down here
from a flood ravaged Tasman region, the president of Federated
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Farmer's Wayne Langford, and I see in the news at
the top of the hour that the Tasman region is
under a heavy orange rain warning until seven pm tonight.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
When did you leave to come down here?
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Yeah, well I actually left earlier in the week, so
I've dodged it for now. But certainly a bit of
a concern and I'm really acknowledging those farmers. I'll be
stressing right now because just talked to my feed's team
there and Nelson. They said, at the rain it is raining,
and I'm just a bit worried about what's going to
come overnight.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
So how did your farm fair and Golden Bay.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
Well, thankfully we got away pretty pretty well. Yeah, so
we got four hundred odd mills, but it came pretty consistently,
so it just came and went but over the other
side of the Motawak, the Nelson Valley and the Waiale Valley, Yeah,
certainly got smoked.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
But now, yeah, we've seen some horrible pictures of some
of those well the hot farmers for instance, and their
plants and their fences or whatever you call them.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
They put the plants up against. They don't stand up
well to flood water, No they don't.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
There's going to be a fair bit of work there
obviously down those valleys, and a lot of lifestyle blocks,
a lot of horticulture and some significant farms as well.
So we'll get through this next couple of days and
then early next week we'll work out right how we're
going to clean this up and get them gone again.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
So Federated Farmers operate your eight hundred number, and I've
forgotten that.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
You can tell that's easy eight hundred farming. It's an
easy one to remember.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
So if you've got.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
Any troubles of concerns, certainly Ring Feeds also a Royal
Sport Trust obviously doing some fantastic work this week as well.
So between the two of us, hopefully we're better help
you out and get you going, and then also acknowledge
that yeah, next week is the week we're all kicking
and get the works out and I'm planning everyone up again.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Well, you're like me, you've spent the last month quite
literally on the road. Of course, we crossed paths.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Was it last week? It was last week at the
primary industry summer. Have you been home yet?
Speaker 7 (15:11):
I snuck home Friday night after the feed's AGM and yeah,
we came across the Monowacre Bridge actually in full flood.
There was just starting to lap over the Monawacre Bridge
and a few bars of bailliage come rolling down the
river and went under there too. So I hear there's
a couple of cows out on the estree, or there
were last week. Hopefully they've been sorted out. But yeah, no,
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she's not good and she's gone for another patch obviously
tonight as well.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
What's your connection with Rural Co because this is primarily,
as David Carter said, servicing farmers in mid Canterbury.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
You're a week but far out of the catchment.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
You know, whenever there's a group of farmers and a
free feed, I'll be here. So that's my connection here today.
I'm just here to meet with farmers and talk with
farmers and weave the Fed's flag a bit. But also
I spent some time here in Ashburton during my UNI years.
I did my practical year out in Hinz, so I
know what a freezing cold morning shifting a cow fence
and cannabories like. And so I'm mixing and mingling here
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a bit today to chat with a few people.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
So was your practical year on a cropping farm?
Speaker 7 (16:16):
I did a deer farm, so I was velveting for
I did two velveting seasons and working.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
With deer, so that was yeah. I loved it.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
Actually, yeah, if I wasn't dairy farming, I'll be deer
farming for well, I know you love your cows. Well
are you getting a wee bit concerned?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I mean I heard industry comment, don't panic after yesterday's
fall on the GDT.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
But five percent is five percent.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Maybe that ten might be out of reach, although a
lot of people are saying it's still on.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Yeah, Well, let's hope so right, And the old adage
don't don't well, my grandfather always said don't spend your
wheel check until you've got it, and that's the same
with the milk check as well. A lot next October
is a long way away, so yeah, the best is
some conservative budgets, but hopefully we're still looking all up
for the for now.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Okay, Hey Wayne Langord, thank you very much for coming
along today. I reckon you turn up at the opening
of an envelope. As you say, you're a bit like me.
A free feed and a bunch of farmers. There's worse
ways to spend a rainy mid Canterbury day.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
And I'm making my way south Young Farmer's Final on Saturday.
So are we heading down there looking forward to that?
That is one of the best shows of the year.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Absolutely, We'll be chatting to Radar before the end of
the hour hopefully and Rowena now with the FMG, will
be there tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Who's your Tasman finalist?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Great question?
Speaker 8 (17:33):
I often say this.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
I'm a national president so I'm cheering for them all.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
But go Tesman? Oh okay, there we go.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Well, I think the local guy here for ARANGI is
Gareth mckirchheer, I think, and we enjoyed his company at
the South Island Airy event and we've got cam Smith
representing my region Otago South. Look at this twenty eight
alfter twelve. We're going to take a break come back
on the other side. I might actually try if you've
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got your airs on an Auckland Andy to go to
Peter Ware.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
You've got a phone, Yep, you've got a phone number.
We're going to do that next.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Former president of the New Zealand Forest Owners Association and
a landowner here in Ashburton before the end of the hour,
no show without punch.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Craig Wiggy Wiggins.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Jock Gross is running around here somewhere, and if we
get time down to in Bicago to chat to Terradar
on day one of the FMG Young Farmer Grand Final
and in Bicargoo back after the break, Welcome back to
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the country Rural co Opening day.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Jeez, there's a lot of people here.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
One man who was meant to be here but he
stood me up as Peter Ware local. Well, he's got
farmland down here, a wee farm, he tells me, and
a wee bit of forestry. Former president of the New
Zealand Forest Stoner's Association and Peter You're just back from Estonia,
Latvia and Lithuania, where you say farming and forestry happily coexist.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Do I take it from that that they're not doing
that in New Zealand. Good afternoon, goody Jamie.
Speaker 9 (19:16):
Yes, spot On and Finland as well. Delightful countries and yes,
peaceful coexistence I called it.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, Well, I don't know whether you're caught up with
David Carter and myself a wee bit earlier in the
our having a yarn about carbon farming per se.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
I'm not a fan. You've got a couple of minutes
to convince me otherwise, thanky.
Speaker 9 (19:36):
Well, let's frame the discussion to point out the government
and not proposing a ban on planting farmland Jamie. Rather
they're putting a ban at a mission of new forests
on class one to sixth land into the New Zealand
ets now just quietly existing owners of registered posted on
forests quite like this, me included, We quite like the
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idea of a ban on new entrance because it increases
our forest value and presumably will actually increase the price
of emission units in the etes. Okay, so that sets
the framework, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
So did we make a mistake by allowing one hundred
percent offsetting in the Etes for exotic pine plantations?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
No other comptries.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Government back in David Carter's time fought hard for that.
I was at a un Kyoto Protocol meeting in Montreal
two thousand and five. New Zealand led the charge to
be able to do land juice change in forestry, so
our fingerprints were all over that. Hey, But come forward
to twenty twenty five. I think what MPI proposing right
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now is terribly ill conceived policy. All it's doing is
serving to incripple investment in plantation forestry. But worse, it's
directing forestry under the worst of the worst of roadable
land in New Zealand Class seven and eight. That's exactly
where you don't want it. It's an mp I have
really really got it wrong here, and my view, good
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policy would encourage forestry on the class one to six
land within one hundred and fifty kilometers of port By
DEALI with a rainfall, want to hang.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
On, hang on, Peter, I've got to pull you up there.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Well, that would mean some of our best food growing
land would end up in pine trees.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
You've been you've been, understand Jamie.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
No, no, no, Well, I don't care what the market stands, Peter.
It's just a blight on the landscape. And we've got
to eat. I think you've been indoctrinated by Dennis Neilson.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
No, Jamie.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
I mean land use flexibility has been key to the
New Zealand economy. You wouldn't want to lock farmers and
emu farming or angora goats, would you. No?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
No, But to talk to you're talking to someone who
had a bad experience with goats in the nineteen eighties,
so I can speak from experience here. But the difference
between goats is you can shoot them if you get
sick of them. It's very difficult to change a twenty
year old pine plantation into good pastoral land if there's
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no money in carbon farming or production forestry.
Speaker 9 (22:08):
Well two strands that you're absolutely wrong. If you look
at the sin lay farms around dunsandaled A North Bank,
they were all old cell and plantation board, yes, well
gone you had a paper lime and now the dairy farms.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
Yeah I know. Well Bill to me, who's taken me
down from christ Church?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
My tech guy here today and I were discussing just that,
how that all used to be pines in the seventies,
but we invented a thing called irrigation which changed the
land use, and we can grow food on that land.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Now not low value pine trees.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
Well you'll grow pretty high value pine trees f you
plant them within one hundred, one hundred and fifty k's
of a port, because it's transport that kills the profitability
at plantation forestry more than turn a case away you doom.
But just in behind Timaru, those rolling hills magnificently. All
plantation forests on rolling productive country and leap all forget
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plantations are productive, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Well, I know they're productive, and I'm a full supporter,
as you know from the Forestry Awards when we were
last chatting for production forestry. But the trouble is, you
know under your method you would basically have our best
land and pine trees.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Surely ours you said class one to six.
Speaker 9 (23:27):
Now surely that's three to six.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Okay, Well that's still including good rolling pastoral land that
can grow.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Look how much the beef is worth at the moment?
Speaker 9 (23:38):
Yeah, I look, and it will stay in beef as
a profitable I look at Kainger our forest, central North Island,
a failed sheep farm because of mineral deficiency. That forest
owned by the New Zealand super Farm just prints money
because it's flat and because it's got a good connection
to saw mills and to the port. There is nothing
wrong with profitable forestry stuff that's turing a case the
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way they will ever be harvested, that should be shut down.
But that's a separate issue, and I think that the
data that are over anyway.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
OK, Peter as a former president of the New Zealand
forest Owners Association. This new legislation comes into being in
a couple of months time.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
What would you like to see throw me an alternative listen.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
I think Toby Williams and Terry Copman of FEDS had
done their own members a huge disservice. I mean, for farmers,
the one to retire had to dropped their land value
because all the demand's gone. I just think market principles
should stand. I really think the whole issue is well
encapsulated by a guy called Richard Holloway who wrote Enough
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with the Forestry Scare Tactics and Farmers Weekly four weeks ago.
That article is worth a read.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
All right, hey Peter ware, thanks for some of your time.
Shame you can't be here today. Are being a bit
of an Ashburton local, but great to chat and great
to chew the fat on forestry.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
I think we might agree to disagree.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And hello to Dennis Now doubt he'll be listening and
sending off emails to all sorts after this conversation.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Great to have a chat with you.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
We're going to take a break on the other side
of it, Rural News with Michelle out of our Danita
HQ where everyone's starting to build for the Big Test.
Andy McDonald are paneling out of Auckland. We're going to
have a look at that new All Black team. So
four all Blacks we'll make. We'll have four new All Blacks.
Two on the field, Fabian Holland and Leo Willy on
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the field and a couple to come off the bench.
Duplessy Carrefy. This is just off the top of my head.
And Ollie Norris, Andy McDonald with more of that before
the end of the hour.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Craig Wiggy Wiggins and Jock Ross.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
What this.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Welcome back to the country from Ashburton today. It is
bang on twenty away from one. Just before we go
to Rural News with Michelle what in Dunedin. Remember we've
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Speaker 6 (26:28):
Here's the latest and rural news with Michelle.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
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Speaker 10 (26:44):
Sorry about that. Didn't have a mic on the Upper
South Island's.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Being sex amateur our Michelle.
Speaker 10 (26:49):
I know, I know, I was too busy thinking about
the all blacks. That's pretty bad, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Anyway, Andy's going to tell us about that. You give
us the rural news.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
Okay.
Speaker 11 (26:58):
The weather's not looking too in the Upper South Island.
It's been saturated for a second time in the fortnight.
Marlborough remains under a state of emergency and Nelson and
Tasmans has been extended another week with a defense force
deployed as a precaution. So residents in the top half
of the North Island should also brace for heavy winds,
rain and thunderstorms. And I also see there is a
snow warning for around central Otaga and in the South Island.
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So before you travel anywhere today, just maybe go and
check out those weather warnings on met Service or your
local weather forecast before.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
You head out and about. And hiss Andy with Sports.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Sport with the Avco Kiwi to the boat since nineteen
oh four.
Speaker 12 (27:35):
Yes thanks Michelle and in sport for new Caps in
the All Blacks match Day twenty three to tackle France
and need it on Satnurday lock Fabian Holland a number
eight Christian Leo Willia named in the run on side
with prop Olin Norris and flanket Duplessi Carrife set to
debut off the bench.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Positional switches for Artie Savia.
Speaker 12 (27:51):
He goes from number eight to open side Tupoo Vay
moving from Locke to blindside flanker and Rico Yoanni. He
has been shifted to the left wing to accommodate center
Billy Proctor in the midfield alongside Vice captain Jordi Barrett.
In tennis, British star Emarta Caranu has won the tennis
duel between two former major winners in the second round
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at Wimbledon, beating at Marquita Vondru Sober in straight sets
to set up a meeting with top seed Arena Saberlenka
and finally, jockey Opie Bossen is coming out of retirement
just six months after galloping over the horizon with two thousand,
one hundred and forty six career wins.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Jamie that sport, Hey, Andy, I like this all black team.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I like the fact that they're brave enough to give
Fabian Holland a start. I really like Billy Proctor at
Santa Ricco Yuanni, in my mind.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Could still be the best wing in the world. It's
an Ardie Savera at seven.
Speaker 12 (28:47):
It feels like he's Scott's sort of broken the shackles
from the last the last coaching staff and sort of
selected the team he really wants.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
So I also like Tupu Bai at sixes.
Speaker 12 (28:57):
He was so good at lot last year but sort
of can't afford to not have him, and with Wallace
a Titi out, it sort of seems like a ready
made replacement there.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Well, Tupoo Vai.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Is like a brilliant athlete, and I think maybe I
was always a big fan of Scott Barrett actually being
at six but I got out voted on that one.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
But we just need big buggers. If we're going to
beat the spring Box at Eden.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Park on September the sixth, I think it is we
need big buggers and we've got a few in there.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
So there's Andy McDonald with Sport.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Thanks Andy, we're going to take another break on the
other side of it talking about rugby. Oh we've got
I'll go to Jock Ross and I've got Craig Wiggy Wiggins.
He's got nothing better to do than wait to be
my last man. So up next Jock Ross and Wiggy
Craig Wiggins.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
To wrap it. That is thirteen away from one, that
All Black team. I like the look of it.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
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Speaker 1 (30:13):
Right.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
I think we did one of.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
These about twelve years ago and we spoke to this gentleman,
a bit of a legend here in mid Canterbury, Jock Ross,
an All Black way back and off the top of
my head, I'm going to go with nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
How did I go, Jock?
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Well, you started off very well, Jamie. I'm I'm tressed.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Yeah, I'm good pressed. You have well to start with.
What do you make of the All Black team?
Speaker 8 (30:34):
I like it?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, I think he's got it pretty right. There's one
or two good players that have missed out. But you
won't have a good All Black side unless you've got
good players missing out.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
And are you referring to ethan blackhead of there? Probably?
Speaker 8 (30:46):
Yeah, Yeah, Harvely was another one. He did really well.
But you know they'll get their chance. Probably it's the
attrition rates quite high.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
And they'll get they'll get a crack on try Now,
you're a big man, you're one of the tallest guys
to have played for the All Blacks back in the day.
But a good made of mind. Lee high but he's
gone to the dark side now. But him and his
lovely wife Liz were kind of foster pearance almost to
Fabian Holland and Dunedin. So through Lee I've managed to
meet him and you've got you literally wrench your neck
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talking to the blog.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
He's a monster.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
No, he is.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
He's got he's got a real test locked body, and
he's very skillful and he knows, he knows what's going on.
He's got that tough Dutch sort of look about him,
and I think he'll be really good.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Well, twenty two is very young to be an All
Black tight forward, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Yeah, he's learned the game very well.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
He's obviously been very very well cached, and I think
that his contribution will be very good.
Speaker 8 (31:46):
I mean, you've got young Darry as well.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
But because you've got to have pressure Jamie from from
different guys to get the best.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
Out of him, and I think we've got that now.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Hey, how's the Mint Canterbury footy team going? Because I've
managed to drag up your page from Wikipedia. You paid
one hundred and fifty eight games yourself. Although I noted
nineteen eighty it did go to the dark side and
go up the road to play for Canterbury. Was that
to try and get into the All Blacks?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
No, not at all, completely complete fallacy. I went up
there for work and managed to get a few games
for Canterbury.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Mid Canterbury. What we've got here is going really well.
But the numbers are down, We've only got four sides,
four club sides.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
But last year they were in the Meads Cup final
which was very impressive and very satisfying, and if they
can build on that this year, that's the level.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
I mean, we don't want to go any higher. That's
our level.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Heartland Rugby is where we are and if we can
do well in that environment, we're all pretty happy.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
What's Chock Ross's doing with himself these days?
Speaker 8 (32:48):
You mean workwise?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Well, I'm still my oldest son Jared is running the business,
but I've still got a few roles and outside of that,
I'm the president going to be rug the Union, so
that takes me around a few things. Doing checking a few.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Has just remind me of the family business.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
Sorry, Rush Brothers Transport.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Yes, of course, we're a farming family really.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
But we sort of diverted into trucks forty years ago.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
But my great grandfathers came here in the eighteen eighties farming,
so we've just about achieved local status.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Jaming And what about your other land, the one that
was the all.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Black Isaac, Yeah, well he retired last year. He had
ten years in Japan. He had a couple of years
in Austin and a couple of years in San Diego
playing in the American League, and now he's gone back
to Japan as a coach. All these guys just seem
to keep getting jobs in the game.
Speaker 8 (33:41):
Today. They like an our day we stopped paying went
back to the farm. We won't see Isaac back on
the farm. He's always he's always a shiny sue boy anyway.
But he's doing well. He's well set up.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
He's got four sons at school in America and he's
you know, it's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Ah, Chuck Hobb's great to catch up with you again.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
And can I see to bring some old photos along
of a big sharing fundraiser you did here in mid
Canterbury and our old Dick Taylor's in the photo.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
He wouldn't be much He was a spunt farmer. He'd
be no use on the end of a hand piece.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Dick and I started Timoru Boys High same year in
nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
Did you both spend two years in the fifth form?
Speaker 8 (34:20):
Pretty much?
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Dick was just there to mark the athletic one track
and run around it quickly.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
One of us got expelled and the other one should
have but we both end up winning the test Maker's
Cup for those outstanding old boys.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
So you work all that out.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, good on your jock cross absolute legend, another local legend,
and we're going to wrap the show with him as
Craig Wiggy Wiggins.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
We will take a break. It is eight away from
one back on the other side of it to wrap it.
From Rural Co.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Welcome back to the country, coming from Ashburton, Heartland, Rural
New Zealand. I saved the best for Lass Craig Wiggy
Wiggins rural or rural and physical health advocates. Did I
get that right? You're a health advocate, Wiggy and you
know you and I give each other a bit of stick.
But you're doing a bloody good job.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
What are you up to?
Speaker 13 (35:10):
Yeah, thinks Sammy, you would be really busy lately. Slave
mcfallan and Andrew rolling from Fullside Bar Slide from Mates
and Construction. We've been in whatever with We've been trapping
around the country doing quite a few events at Club
New Zealand, like the Workingmen's clubs, the risas and mesas
and stuff and basically looking forward to being able to
bring a lot of training for the Rural Service industries
(35:31):
into rural New Zealand so that people in the stock
agents and agronomous and vents they can actually reach out
to their clients and know that's okay to do it.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Absolutely, you've downsized your farming operation here at Mid Canterbury.
You're a bit of a towning now like myself. But
it is I was just saying too, I think David
Carter a bit earlier in the hour, you would go
a long way in New Zealand to buy to find
better farmland than here in Mid Canterbury. This is where
all the you know, for instance, the seed crops are
(35:59):
grown for the country and the world.
Speaker 13 (36:01):
Yeah, there's a pilethora of stuff that happens here, whether
it's seeds, berries, you know, there's apple. There's an apple
orchard getting build here now. It's always been a great
place to breed you using lambs and rams and balls
and stuff, you know. I just talked of a deer farmer.
He's on a roll as well as well as a
dairy industry too, So there's a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I had an interest in discussion with Peter ware on
carbon farming. We agreed to disagree, but I don't want
to see the Canterbury planes like they were in the
nineteen seventies covered in pine trees.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
No, not at all. You know, there's a place for
every tree. There's the right place and it's a matter
of getting it right. The thing to do.
Speaker 13 (36:41):
You know, we do need some good wind breaks and
stuff here, so let's be able to benefit from those
rather than blanket blanket plantings.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, and the farmers should be given credit for everything
on their farm that sequesters carbon and that includes a
lot of those big wind breaks.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 13 (36:58):
And if you actually do fly over Cannibry, there's a
lot of them, so you know we should be able
to count those.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
And it's just getting the formula right, I guess.
Speaker 13 (37:04):
But yeah, the big thing is Jamie, if there's a
weddaylight this and farmers are in here connecting, that's that's
the most important thing.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Really good, a problem shared is a problem halved.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
And I'm looking we're broadcasting from a marquee outside of
rural coat and I think Ashburton was heading for a
high five degrees today. I think it would struggle to
be that. But we've got a beautiful big heater from
where we're broadcasting, so just good to.
Speaker 13 (37:28):
Be here, yea it is and great food, great atmosphere.
All we need is a gate for them to lean on, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
And I'll be right of my own Allie, Well, you
do a good job in all seriousness, so you won't
be in Dunedin over the weekend for the rugby No
not I missed that invite to your corporate box made,
but I'm looking forward to the next one.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
Well you can hey.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
And just before we go, folks, because it's time to
wrap it from here, I have got a thousand dollars
voucher to give away. If you're on site, come up
and plead your case. Apart from you Wigi, but for
those of you who are listening in text rural to
five double nine, your name and where you're from, and
we'll pick a w before the end of the hour.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
We will catch you back in Dunedin tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
Podcast with Jamie McKay. Thanks to Brent, You're specialist in
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