October 3, 2025 • 43 mins
Hamish McKay talks to Deanne Parkes, Jen Corkran, Chris Russell, Jack Fagan, and Richard Loe.
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Speaker 3 (02:17):
I've been really looking forward to this interview and many
of you will be familiar with the an parks from
social media to the farm strong champion, a coach facilitator
who uses our own story to empower others and let's
face it, it's in the mental health space, sets in
the wellbeing space, looking after ourselves. Dan, Welcome on to
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the show. How are you.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I'm great, thank you for having me today. This is yeah, fibulous,
really fabulous to you.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
No, no, this is so important. And you know, look,
look you've got a social media post out today which
to mums and the trenches, and that's pretty much you know,
I guess a good point to start our conversation.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
And the reason why I just hear that is because
I know, you know, so many mums are in those
trenches and it's tough, and you feel like it's a
confusing time because it's like, you know, you're meant to
be so excited, like you know, you're a mom with
these kids and living your best life, and there's just
something that is going oh why aren't I excited about this? Like,
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and it's just, you know, there's so many changes and
so many things going on, and you kind of wanting
to feel, you know, like you're living your best life
and you just don't. And I just wanted women to
know that, A you know, I see you, I hear you.
I've been there that I had three kids under three
and a half and it was it was tough. But
we you know, put on this mask and we pretend
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that everything's incredible and everything's amazing, and inside it is
just such a confusing place.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, look on.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
The farm, I reckon it's ninety eight percent of the
time in our rural communities where the wife, the woman,
the partner is inpected. Not only are they you know,
are expected to be the rock, but you know, where's
the where's the fairness in that? And your story, as
you're saying, is different to.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
That, oh one hundred percent. I think we feel like
we need to be, you know, the mum, the partner,
the calf rearer, the administration, you know, doing all the
things like looking at you know, changing your insurance or
updating your insurance, like all the administration, and there's so
many things that pile up on the mum's plate. And
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then there's also the aspect of I call it like BC,
like the four children and the farm. You know, we
had our own careers and we had all these things
and suddenly it's like in a flash, life just changes,
and you know, we don't want to say we can't
do it all, but gosh, I remember so clearly, having
you know, one kid crime one on my backpack, trying
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to feed calves and just going this is not you
know the picture, the picture I imagined, pull it together,
because you know, husband's having you know, bugger or sleep
during carving time, and you know there's you know, there's
all those things in trying to just make you know,
keep the peace for everybody else inside it. Yeah, not
e tough, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Because sometimes you think they're all there are people worse
off than me, but often there actually aren't. You can
be rock bottom and you need to be aware of it,
don't you You need to you need to sort of
point your finger at yourself and ask a few questions.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And when I was going through
my really dark time, I had extremely sick family members,
and so you know I was kind of being like, oh,
my thing, you know, isn't so bad. It isn't so bad,
And often would compare myself to other people and their situations,
and you know, we lost a few strings through illnesses
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and you know, they passed away and some kind of
like look I'm here, like why you you know, like
you get to see your kids and you get to
do this and be alive. But it wasn't it wasn't
helping me it or it just kind of you know,
further pushed you down via that mental health continuum, down
the bottom, down the bottom, and I wish i'd I
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did reach out for help, but I didn't quite know
how to be really clear in say how much I
was struggling, because it's fearful you think, oh, people really
knew what was going on, and said my head, you know,
you just have that judgment on yourself, Oh dare that's.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, yeah, thank you for sharing that, because I just
want to hear something now that from a men's males
perspective here right, And my view on my own situation
is I just got totally one hundred percent depend on
my wife for anything and everything, and if she passed,
I'd die a minute later.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I so would.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
But what I realized at the times when I piled
on the pressure that actually recognizing the stress that that's
putting her under and she's got her own world going on,
like you, three children under four and those things, is
that that's actually for them. For me as a male,
was quite empowering for me to go, you know, like,
for one of a better description, get your shit together
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or get some of it together and move forward together,
you know, talk about it, have some you know, have
some real connection over this.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And it is you know, sitting
down and I think you know, share to post a
while back around for the husbands or the partners, you know,
don't wait to be asked, you know, offer and sometimes
it just you know, the offer of help, knowing that
you know that in with the trenches with you it
can be huge. But I know how hard it is
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to ask for that help. And so that's why I
think it's really important if the you know, the partner
can say you know and you just you know, this
conversation is an example. You can say, hey, I heard
Haysindia and talking today and you know, is there anything
I could do? And you know, just ask a few
times and see secretly yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Absolutely, Okay, So just to I don't know, I suppose
you're it's organic in a way, isn't it. But there
are there are a few tips sort of to you know,
starting with a bit of connection, a few ways to
sort of put in motion or plan. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I think the biggest thing, and I talked about this
on my post this morning, is you know, one of
the five ways to well being is take take notice.
And I think when you're a mum in the trenches.
You're kind of like, you know, because coaching and counseling
and so call it like they're really good, but you're
kind of like, I don't have time for that. So
take notice is a really great place to start. And
(08:37):
it's just looking at gratitude. So when we start looking
at everything that is going wrong, like I'm not getting
enough slate in my house with a terps, oh gosh,
and I've got to get the kids here, then there
the GEPs drew all.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Of those things.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
That's where our attention is. But if we can flip
it and take notice, and you know, my challenge would
be it's just three things, you know, what what what
has gone great or what's going on well? And then
dive a little bit deeper into the why. And so
then if our tension is focusing on what's going well,
that's what we start to notice. And then you know,
bring all those good happy hormones, you know, and that's
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like exercise as well, like it keeps all those indulphins
and feel good things going. So there is you know
a lot of science to the background of you know
why these five ways as well being are good as
well as they're proven and every day to day. So
that's where it starts. There's a you know, a mum
out there at the moment that's just going mate, I'm
keeping my head above water. Three things to you know,
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what's gone well for a day?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Fabulous advice born from experience, d M Parks of Love.
This chat could go on for hours now. Social media wise,
how if people want to who haven't seen your post today,
where do they sort of get a hold of you?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
So they can find me on DM parks And I
have just tagged and a whole lot of people. I've
shared it on the family Mum's goodsite and yeah, but
Instagram is where you'll find me hanging out and yeah,
so they can find me on there and that, yes,
flex your message if you know people are they just
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have a gap feeling they know something that's not right
and they don't know where to start.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Also heavily involved.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
With raw support trust as well.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So yeah, people kind of like, I don't know what's wrong,
just let me a message and say that and I can. Yeah,
points in the right direction as to who can.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Help your bloody marvelous dye And thank you so much
for your time today. And I'm sure we'll chat again
in the not too distant future. Much appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Awesome, Thank you, match, have a beautiful Thursday.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Thank you.
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Two reports on dairy beef are being released to clients
next week for the team at Rabo Back, one focused
on New Zealand, and one with the Global Lends, co
authored by Gen Corkran and Emma Higgins and Jen joins
us now afternoon. Gen.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Hi, how a haymoush oh, I'm.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Great, thank you, thank you for joining us. What do
we mean by a dairy beef in the New Zealand context?
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Yeah, thanks Samush. So we have got two reports coming
out and they're both focusing on dairy beef. So it's
a great point to define what this actually means, right
because ultimately almost all dairy kettle end up in the
beef supply chain once they've done their service to the
New Zealand industry. Right, So, dairy beef in this context,
and what we're talking about here is basically dairy calves
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born to dery cows on dairy farms, but these are
the calves that are then reared for beef production. So
typically they are simpless calves that aren't required as here
for replacements, so they might some of them might be
sided by dairy balls, some of them might be sided
by beef balls. And we've got about four million calves
born annually to dairy calves. Around a third of those,
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or about twenty eight percent of those kept is here
for replacements, So technically there's a seventy percent kind of
surplus of calves. And what this report is focusing on
in the New Zealand context is what is the opportunity
to make use of more of these calves and our
beef production systems and we all know, you know what
beef products have been looking like recently, so there is
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an opportunity here to perhaps do a little bit more
with some of these calves that currently aren't being read
for beef production.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
So we had a great chat yesterday with our Australia
corresponding to Chris Russell, and you know, the Aussie beef
outlook is just pumping and it's got longevity about it.
So why does this New Zealand report you describe this
as a strategic moment for dairy beef in New Zealand. Yeah,
it's a real green light opportunity, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
It really is.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
And I think the challenge with beef production systems right
is that they are a longer game in terms of
space between a calf being born a minute being ready
to enter in terms of like meat production, the beef
supply chain. So there's a real opportunity here because you know,
we've got a bit of legs in the global beef
outlook for the next few years, strong pricing just based
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on kind of a global shortage of red meat. So
this year alone, you know, we are sitting in a
fallout of two years ago. We are not many dairy
beef calves. We're weird, so normally we are already wearing
about a quarter of the calves born sadary calves and
producing their menstery. So that's just about over a million head,
just over a million head of those four million calves. Great,
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we could do more, and you see boom and bust
kind of cycles with calf We're in this year one
hundred and forty five thousand odd extra calves compared to
last year being reared about two years ago it was
the opposite, so we had not all those calves extra
cars being read and we're seeing the fallout of the
now right, so global beef supplies down, especially in the
United States in some of the Northern Hemisphere countries, and
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those countries like Australia that are pumping out beef at
the moment are really being able to capitalize on those
high prices, right And we've got a lot of supplying
New Zellan, so that's sort of adding a little bit
of upside to our prices as well. But actually that
everygeball value is high and that's not related to our
supply here.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
In New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
So it's a great opportunity to you know, perhaps a
few of these extra calves. We're not saying it's going
to be easy or that we can rear see of
the calves because that's unlikely however, you know, and the
report talks about this, but if we rare if we
have a kind of meaty goal of extra say six
hundred thousand calves at today's current market prices, that's you know,
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that's unlocking about another one point two billion conservatively. You know,
a net rid Medics book check so it's an interesting proposition,
I think.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, absolutely, Okay, So what are the challenges you talk about?
It won't be easy and there's a bit of time involved,
but what are the key challenges preventing the wider adoption
of this given the good outlook?
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Yeah, that's right, And this isn't a new topic, right,
So dairy beef has been a topic that we've discussed
over many many years, we being New Zealand, and broadly
there's three but challenges. Hey, motion, so I can touch
on all of these. But firstly are pastoral farming systems.
Secondly car rearing it's a challenge, and then also kind
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of this collaborative approach that we might need between the
sectors for dairy and beef in perhaps industry as well.
So number one, our farming systems in New Zealand, we're
really set up here around pasture growth and the pasture
growth curve watch is seasonal. And then the dairy sense
this makes a lot of sense, right because we want
peak pasta supply lining up with peak milk supply in
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the demand that cows deer cows have at that time.
So we all understand, you know that that's the way
our systems are set up, but this makes it really
challenging in a carving sense and different to many Oversese
countries that might be carving just all through the year,
equal amounts of cars each month, and that makes it
a lotle easier for wearing for labor for are basically
for a farm system. So under seasonal carving and New
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Zealanders is mostly in spring. There's also pockets of word
and carving now, which is great, but this creates a
short and intense window where calves are born over six
to eight weeks, a lot of calves, a lot of caves,
and how do we rear all of those calves. We're
already going to red heaer replacements. The other nuance we've
got these young dairy heifer cows coming through. They need
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a low birth weight fire that means you know, easy
carving out in the pastures, shortly station links. There's been
something that's been a real focus to really make sure
there's that carving period is compact in growth rates. You know,
all these calves born to these heifers, all these cows.
Hasn't always been the goal because A we just need
heat replacements and B we need to get the calves
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safely out of the cow so that they can start
producing milk. The other big elephant in the room if
we think about pastoral systems and New Zealanders, if we
want to rear all the calves, where are we going
to put them? So that's obviously something that we address
in the report and extra SA two million calves would
have to go somewhere, so of course we don't want
that to be at the expense of our beef breeding,
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herd or are used. So this is where it gets
really challenging in New Zealand. So the second big one
is calf wearing and we focus on this quite a
lot in the report and the New Zealand Report because
it's it is a nuanced it's got so many cars
being bought once. Labor is always a challenge in our
primary sector around you know, people to actually wear these calves,
and we've seen the boom bus cycle over the different
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years with calves being read in numbers. Infrastructure around carf
wearing is also an interesting one, isn't it Because we
have these sheds that are used for this really intense
and short period of time and it makes it difficult
to have that capital infrastructure sitting there empty maybe for
other parts of the year, so we can talk about
split carving and other ways that we can get around us.
But it's not necessarily easy. But overall, and I think
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the third one is really just some great coordination and
feedback loops across their value supply chain for dairy beef
in New Zealand could really mean that we have a
more consistent pathway for dairy beef and we could really
be sort of jumping into those tailwinds of the high
prices like we are seeing now out there.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, good stuff and the opportunities there. There are some challenges,
but wrapping up Gin, the outlook looking pretty good. Five
to ten years down on the track, there's some positive
thinking and there's real green shoots here.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Yeah, certainly some green shirts and opportunities are always faced
with challenge, right, But this report's really just opening up
the conversation around what are our challenges? Why are we
doing And there's a global report as well that sort
of sits in line with us one to compare some
of the other global systems and how they're doing dairy beef.
But how also we are quite different here, so we
need to have a lot of grace with ourselves. But yeah,
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great opportunity. The beef pricing is going to be strong
over the next two to three years in New Zealand,
we think, and certainly beef is a versatile protein. People
know what to do with it, popular, healthy, real food.
So yeah, we'll have a stake for Dinnish, might I think?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah? Amazing what that old bit of water and a
bit of grass and a bit of sunshine can do.
I here go fantastic, Jen, Thank you very much, much appreciated.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Thanks nice to talk homes the.
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It is that time where we head across the ditch,
across the Tasman and catch up with our wonderful Australian,
corresponded Chris Russell. A bit of a roady down to
waggle Woggle. We might talk about that at the end,
but right now, Chris wool prices enjoy a meteoric rise
over the last ten weeks. What's behind that?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Well, Hoimi Swiss has snuck up on us a bit
for a long time. You know, we used to talk
every week about wool price and report, and we sort
of got bored with it. We've always sat around the
eleven hundred cents of kila and nothing much happening. Everyone's
doing and gloom. But in the last ten weeks we've
seen the longest run of price rises in wool on
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the Least Eastern Market indicator, which is what we use
as a guideline, since nineteen eighty seven. That's a long
time ago. And in the last it's gone up four
dollars a kilo, and it's gone up a dollar akilo
just in the last week. So I thought, well, I've
better have a bit of a look at you know,
what's driving this all of a sudden, And it's the
old Chinese story. Of course, as usual, that's where seventy
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percent of our wall goes, and in particular, the Chinese
government is looking to replace uniforms. Now. It's interesting that
if you look back to the nineteen fifties when wool
was selling for a pound a pound, which in today's
money works out for I think it round about the
thirty two dollars a kilo. That was also driven by
a renewal of all the uniforms for the new uniforms
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for the Chinese army in those days, so they're looking
to replace the uniforms, which is that's creating demand. There's
also a dramatic shortage of all of course, a lot
of people have gone out of wool producer sheep more
into the lambs because that's where the money's been, and
so they're having to compete for the wall. So the
haggling that used to occur at the ockins, that's not
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happening at the moment, and we're seeing them more or
less paying whatever they need to pay to get hold
of this wool. And so everyone is pretty excited about.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Where that might go.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
And I went to a talk by the head of
a WY the other day, and he's always been optimistic
that wool was going to make a comeback because we
want to get rid of all the microplastics and all
the other the sort of nasties out of our clothing.
And it looks like he's been proven right, because there's
certainly some money in into the moment and there's no
sign of looking like that price rose is going to stop.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Homies yep.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
And if it's driven by that demand on that scale,
from China. I think you're one hundred percent onto it.
Chris beef to keep rising over there for two years
prediction of by thirty five percent.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yes, well, you know, we're in the case of at
the moment we're a bit short of beef in the South,
and there's lots of beef in the North. But that's
been interesting to see where that market's lightly to go.
And I was reading some forecasts by some of the
ex so called experts here and they're saying that we
could see up to thirty to thirty five percent height
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in prices over the next couple of years, you know,
due to the expansion in demand, particularly for our style
of meat, and particularly from America. We've got a new
free trade agreement now with the United Arab Emirates which
they're buying a lot of lamb as well. That's going
to factor off into high red meat prices generally. But
what they're saying that by twenty twenty eight it will
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probably come back a little bit and it's going to
settle in at about five hundred and fifty to five
hundred and seventy cents of kilo between twenty twenty eight
and twenty thirty three. Well, that's still bloody good money, Amsed.
You know, I think most farmers would say I can
make good money, and that particularly you know way out
north where they're mainly having these brahmins or yaxes there
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I lightly called by US Southerners, where you know, they
were lucky to get two dollars fifty akilo and they're
getting three seventy four dollars you know, good money for
those animals up there on that to out back country.
So really I think the optimism is there for beef,
particularly in Queensland. The question is are we going to
be able to produce enough to actually fully take advantage
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of all those prices.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Incredible but good to have some sort of future proofing
in there. As you say, it's still at reasonable amounts.
Even if it does back off a little bit, You've
covered off a little bit there. The UAE Free Trade
Agreement will be very good for Australians. Now Unisi, this
is interesting finds for the first time that more obese
children globally are malnourished more than thin ones.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Yeah, well this is an interesting story. You know, way
back in the seventies there was a big report they
talked about the Green Revolution. They were going to solve,
you know, famine in the world by these new varieties
of rice that came out. Ira eight was the real
hero of all that. But in fact, while it solved
the shortage of carbohydrate, it did not solve the shortage
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of protein and therefore the malnourishment of kids, so we
didn't have any more famines in terms of total food.
We certainly have always had some problem with malnutrition. Now
in Africa, a lot of the problem is education of
the mothers in knowing what they need to feed. But
in Australia and in the sophisticated countries, we're now seeing
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malnourishment and these are amongst of beese kids because there's
much too much relying on ultra refined foods as they
call them, or junk food. I think we prefer to
call it, and people it's a convenience food. Both parents
are working just get them summon to fill them up,
and they're saying that obesity now in Australia and UNISEF
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is saying globally is now over fifty percent of those
children are actually obese rather than ultra thin. But they're
still undernourished and suffering from malnutrient. So this is a
massive change and there's a lot of calls now of
course for taxes to be brought in on junk food,
on over fatty, over salted foods, and over sugar foods
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to try and solve this problem, a very different problem
than the one we had way back when we saw
those collegal wrecks of Ethiopian children back in the fifties
and sixties.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Homish, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, remarkable stuff. Remarkable stuff.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I'm not going to talk to rug because you're just
going to give us our best coach back at some point,
thank you. But I do want to talk about West
Australia pushing for sharing to be on the Olympics in
Brisbane twenty thirty two. Get the hand piece out, grind
the comb.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I'm there well in the fed inc Of department. I
don't think it's going to happen, Hamish, but there is
a West Australian teenager who's calling them for to be included. Interestingly,
she comes from Catanning, which is right next door to
Darken where earlier this year a New Zealand girl from
I think she came from over here. Is that how
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you say that? In New Zealand and Alexa Phillip broke
Phillips broke the female world record for the most marino
shoes used Sean in eight hours, three hundred and sixty seven.
So right next door to her, it's a big shearing area.
And as we've now had a call from catanning this
kay Kayley Sander is watching the Paris Olympics. She thought
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one sport was missing sharing, so she's put in the
submission to Brisbane. They're allowed to choose one sport and
she's going to push pretty hard with the support I'm
sure of the West Australian government. They have it put
in how many countries we'd have competing, might be Australian,
New Zealand and maybe in South Africa. That might be
the end of that.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Oh, the Welsh are pretty good. The Scott's go right too.
Maybe they'll be the odd Frenchman in there as well,
but yeah, I think it'd be good. Let's see how
the World Championships go with the gold and she is
here mastered and in March. Hey, Chris, leave you to it
to go and enjoy waggle Wogger. Thank you very much.
As always, no.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
No worries Homish, great to talk to you.
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How great would it be to see sharing at the
Olympics A so those chicky Aussies they might do what
was the name Raygun? They might get They might put
the Wrinkley Marinos in there, and then they might be
a bit of a challenge and some pretty good shares
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up in Europe these days. But it would be fun
one of the great competition sports to watch. I promise
you if you ever get to go to the Golden
Shears or the Apparity Shears, the Eppity Young Farmers Club,
she is pie here anyway, you'd love it. Anybody in
New Zealand would love it. It is fantastic right from
those assie beef prices Rising Rising Rising and sharing to
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the start of a new Zealand sharing and wool handling season.
The champion sharer is he ain't gonna like this bloke
a lot, Jack Fagan. That's coming up here on the
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Speaker 3 (29:06):
Alrighty ho, I think we're going to be joined now
by Well, he's been sort of spent a lot of time.
He's been away most of the winter competing over there
in a Europe Jack Fagan, Good afternoon, Jack afternoon.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Oh I'm great mate yourself.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
You just got back well you competed in Perth on
the way home as well.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Yeah, I'm actually just out on the farm. Dad and
I are out spraying and I landed back from Perth
yesterday after competing at the Perth Royal Show. On Saturday
and managed to get third, which was which was a
pretty big, big moment for me on a big marino competition.
So yeah, I'm all the same.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, good to get a few of those Wrinkley's done.
They you know, what are they like? In Perth?
Speaker 9 (29:46):
They were probably some of the better ones will she
To be honest, they were pretty pretty plain marinos down
on the South Island. Up in the Central Otago. We
can get a few gnarly ones later on in the
season if there's a bit of snow in that around,
but now the ones and Western Australia were generally pretty
good too.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Have they bred to be better to share? Is that
something that's happened over the years with marinos.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
I'd say definitely in the last forty fifty years they've
got a lot plainer taken that, a lot of the
wrinkle out of them, and the ball's probably got a
little bit stronger in places too. But there's still a
lot of traditional farmers that argue that with skin and
wrinkle you're going to cut more wall and it's the
weight where they're making their margin. So I mean, the
average farmer in Wa at the moment's making forty to
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fifty dollars a fleece, whereas the ones that are actually
cutting a lot of waller getting up around eighty ninety
dollars a fleece.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah yeah, okay, well that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Right, So we've got and of course the recklar ones
down on Alexander that's coming up. Was that this week?
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Yeah, that's this week.
Speaker 9 (30:47):
We've got the big wall handling in Team's event on Friday,
and then the Senior and Open on the Saturday. So
that's our first competition of the New Zealand Sharing Circuit season.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Right and now culmination, we've got what we've got World
Champs coming up this year?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Is that right too?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Come up early next year?
Speaker 9 (31:03):
Yep, the five, six, seven, eight of March at the
Golden Shares and masted and so all the world teams
will be coming out straight after the new year and
we'll get settled into a bit of work and some
competitions and it's going to be a pretty hard New
Zealand team to make at the moment too.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah. So how do we have Is it a two
person team in the World Champs?
Speaker 9 (31:22):
Yes, so arguably there'd be twenty top guys in the
country and only two Shares get to make the New
Zealand team. So we're doing a bit of a long
winded circuit at the moment, Tor Henderson is way out
in front of the circuit, and then there'll be a
second Shar selected at another final in early February.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
So okay, So what do you have to do personally?
Where do you need to really shine out and show
your strength to make it?
Speaker 9 (31:49):
So I'm probably middle of the pack at the moment.
We've got another five competitions in our circuit, so practically
out of those five shows, I'm either going to have
to win a couple or at least get in the
final and place well just to get some enough points
to make that big final in February.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, I mean at the end of the day too,
the Golden Shears magnificent event, I mean, the pinnacle in
many respects. But it it'd be quite a hard watch,
wouldn't it, just knowing the world champs are at the
same time. Still, I guess it's only two of about
twenty as you say, who could be contenders? Yeah, yeah, no,
Now what else we got coming up? So where do
(32:27):
we go? Where do we go after Alexandra? It's just
pretty much fall on right through this, right through the
late spring summer, right through.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
Yeah, right through until early December. So after Alex we
go to Waymati for the New Zealand Spring Sharing Champs.
We've also got a Winter Comb title there, which is
another marino competition. It's great for us to get another
one under our belt. The all these are fair bit
stronger on marinos than kiwis traditionally, so the more we
can do the better. And then we head up to
Gisbon the Great Rahani Show in the Hawk's Bay one
(32:57):
or two, Whypuck, then to christ Church Stratford and then
flying today. So fair bit up and down the country.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, fantastic though. Okay, so now how much sort of
time do you get for day to day shit sharing?
I mean there's a fair bit of travel involved in
all that, isn't there.
Speaker 9 (33:16):
Yeah, pretty much working when it's the main season, working
during the weekdays and then the weekends get away on
a plane or either a big trip in the car
with some mates and it's just for the weekend competing.
But there's a lot of camaraderie with getting on the
road with your mates and I actually starting to have
a bit more to do with our local rugby club
with a speech here, and I listened to all the
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rugby boys talk about their travels and a few parties
and their camaraderie, and I thought, God, I've missed out
on all of this because I'm a sharer. And then
I flipped it and thought, actually, we're exactly the same
in the sharing industry, which is pretty awesome.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Do you know what I jack as a boy, and
this is just before David was on the scene, but John,
Uncle John would have been on the scene there. I'd
pull up at these shows as a young kid and
I'd see I and Rosen Didge come in and his
big green Falcon, and then Samson Hammerhona to Fotta and
another big you know, and just and the camarade, you
know how they all go around and shake each other's hands,
(34:09):
furiercely competitive on the board. But I reckon that camaraderie
is something that's been around, and I'm pleased to hear
that it still is. Is that sort of you know,
when you're together at a big open show, you're all
you're all sort of like you know, you know, the blood,
sweat and tears that goes into this.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean pre final. Obviously things are going
to be pretty tense, and everyone likes to sit on
their own and just get in the zone and.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Work out what you what you got to do.
Speaker 9 (34:32):
But I mean post presentations, when once everyone's chilled out
having a bear by God, it can be fun and
talk about lasts. I reckon, We've got some of the
funniest characters in the world and the sharing industry, and
even if you talk to a few contractors, they'd probably
say the same.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, I reckon. I mean, I've got some magic times.
I mean, and I was known as the slowest sharer
and appity. I just tendency to sort of think about
other things. Jack was probably my problem. But when I
think to some of the laughs I used to have
with boy Mananu and Dennis McKenzie and Marcus Cown and
some of the guys I worked with, fantastic days and
(35:08):
long made that continue in the wallshed. Busy, big season
ahead for you all the best, Alexander this weekend, Jack
and qualifying for one of those two places. Yeah, I
imagine Old Tour is going to be quite hard to
haul and very quickly though European, so I know it's
a little while ago. Now the World Champs and everything
that was going on up there. But how was the
sort of your European sojourn.
Speaker 9 (35:28):
We had a great tour up through England, Wales, Ireland,
Scotland and France. We managed to win three out of
the six tests. Obviously disappointed we couldn't get six from six,
but yet we're still still learning and getting getting stronger.
And yeah, I'm thoroughly looking forward to getting back next year.
It's a hell of a fun tour.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, excellent.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Ay, Jack, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm going to take
it on my shoulders. I want to see more sharing
in more mainstream. You can't get more mainstream than than
the country in terms of rural coverage and getting it
into the into the cities as well. And every time
my cousin Jamie lets me on the show, I'll make
sure I give sheer as he does, I'll make sure
we give sheering a good pump. Jack Fagan, thanks very
(36:09):
much for joining us.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Thanks so much the best of.
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Actually, I could just see you Richard Lowe on a
guitar with a big hat Yellowstone rip wheelerlike singing a
bit of country music. I mean that that'd be your go,
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Speaker 10 (36:32):
Good afternoon, Homer share, Probably we bet, But I don't
think I could handle Beth though.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
No, I don't think not even you could handle Beth.
Although I suspect you probably need somebody like Beth, and
I suspect that the Beth in your world probably does
have to control you like Beth. Right, I won't go
any further on that. When you're not named in a
team from one week to the next, Lowy, you dropped, right,
Why do we have to have?
Speaker 10 (36:58):
Yeah, once upon a time, I think you were. But
I think it was John Hart that started to introduce
that rotation.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
And then I can remember right back to went there.
Speaker 10 (37:10):
I thought him and grizz had the side over in
the ninety one World Cup, played the first game against England,
and then I sat on the sideline for the second
game and Pervy took over, and that was the sting.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
I think that era was the start of rotation.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Rotation because you weren't dropped, I mean Pervy with all jurisdicm.
You were the you were, you were the king of.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
If you're not playing, if you're not playing, you take.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Here.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
It's a it's yeah, some of the it's very very
different these days. The way you get a niggle, you
don't play.
Speaker 10 (37:49):
Yeah, gone are the days you carried on Friday minutes,
week in, week out. Now after four or five tests,
you're a wee bit banged up, so you need a rest.
You'll be able to tell me where's the next test
after this weekend, So you've got a bit of downtime
to recover, having you missed the Proctor for.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Example, exactly that whole banged up thing. All that's done
for me is opened the door for Quintu Pie to
play a good game at center and Billy Procter doesn't
get another chance. It is Billy Procter hasn't as delivered
quite as they had wanted, and I feel like banged
up as an excuse, and they would like what to
Pi did late in the game the other week, so
they're going to give him a shot. Same with Satiti
(38:28):
second season Blues. The bloke's not firing on all cylinders
like he showed, so we're going to go with Lackeye
at number eight. We just need to say it how
it is.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
I don't think so, Tt. You're being very generous to him.
Speaker 10 (38:39):
He's got a real dose of the second season blues
and I know he's had a couple of injuries, but hey,
the All Black jerseys meant to be about those that
are performing and performing week in week out, and that's
probably why Ardie severe. It doesn't matter what number jersey
he's got, on what position he's playing, He's there because
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he performs week in week out, like we saw during
Super Rugby from Moanna Pacificate.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yep, okay quickly the Wallabies Lowy well Skelton and Rob
Valentini their big bodies and against and last week that's
possibly what they missed. They'll be. They'll be a much
tougher position, even though they got within a few points
of us in at Eden Park, A much tougher proposition
in Perth.
Speaker 10 (39:24):
As we know these games between the Wallabies and the
All Blacks, they're always close in a lot of ways.
And I don't I expect I said before last week's Test,
I thought it was their opportunity.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
If they had have got up over.
Speaker 10 (39:39):
The All Blacks, then it would have been all on
in Perth because the cup would have been on the line,
and I'm one that believes that should be on the
line every week and that would really spice things up.
But I don't think they'll, you know, they'll make that
much more difference. I think the All Blacks are still
probably more mobile and with the changes that have been
(40:02):
made to the pack, they're definitely more mobile than the Wallabies.
And I don't think Wallabies have got one or two
in their team that are quite soft, and I think
that's a big difference.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Al Right, I will see you and I'll analyze this
on Monday. I'm going to call you back because I've
got a slightly different view on it, so we might
talk monday, if that's all right.
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I've been really looking forward to this interview and many
of you will be familiar with the an parks from
social media to the farm strong champion, a coach facilitator
who uses our own story to empower others and let's
face it, it's in the mental health space, sets in
the wellbeing space, looking after ourselves. Dan, Welcome on to
(02:39):
the show. How are you.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I'm great, thank you for having me today. This is yeah, fibulous,
really fabulous to you.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
No, no, this is so important. And you know, look,
look you've got a social media post out today which
to mums and the trenches, and that's pretty much you know,
I guess a good point to start our conversation.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
And the reason why I just hear that is because
I know, you know, so many mums are in those
trenches and it's tough, and you feel like it's a
confusing time because it's like, you know, you're meant to
be so excited, like you know, you're a mom with
these kids and living your best life, and there's just
something that is going oh why aren't I excited about this? Like,
(03:24):
and it's just, you know, there's so many changes and
so many things going on, and you kind of wanting
to feel, you know, like you're living your best life
and you just don't. And I just wanted women to
know that, A you know, I see you, I hear you.
I've been there that I had three kids under three
and a half and it was it was tough. But
we you know, put on this mask and we pretend
(03:45):
that everything's incredible and everything's amazing, and inside it is
just such a confusing place.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, look on.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
The farm, I reckon it's ninety eight percent of the
time in our rural communities where the wife, the woman,
the partner is inpected. Not only are they you know,
are expected to be the rock, but you know, where's
the where's the fairness in that? And your story, as
you're saying, is different to.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
That, oh one hundred percent. I think we feel like
we need to be, you know, the mum, the partner,
the calf rearer, the administration, you know, doing all the
things like looking at you know, changing your insurance or
updating your insurance, like all the administration, and there's so
many things that pile up on the mum's plate. And
(04:31):
then there's also the aspect of I call it like BC,
like the four children and the farm. You know, we
had our own careers and we had all these things
and suddenly it's like in a flash, life just changes,
and you know, we don't want to say we can't
do it all, but gosh, I remember so clearly, having
you know, one kid crime one on my backpack, trying
(04:53):
to feed calves and just going this is not you
know the picture, the picture I imagined, pull it together,
because you know, husband's having you know, bugger or sleep
during carving time, and you know there's you know, there's
all those things in trying to just make you know,
keep the peace for everybody else inside it. Yeah, not
e tough, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Because sometimes you think they're all there are people worse
off than me, but often there actually aren't. You can
be rock bottom and you need to be aware of it,
don't you You need to you need to sort of
point your finger at yourself and ask a few questions.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And when I was going through
my really dark time, I had extremely sick family members,
and so you know I was kind of being like, oh,
my thing, you know, isn't so bad. It isn't so bad,
And often would compare myself to other people and their situations,
and you know, we lost a few strings through illnesses
(05:50):
and you know, they passed away and some kind of
like look I'm here, like why you you know, like
you get to see your kids and you get to
do this and be alive. But it wasn't it wasn't
helping me it or it just kind of you know,
further pushed you down via that mental health continuum, down
the bottom, down the bottom, and I wish i'd I
(06:11):
did reach out for help, but I didn't quite know
how to be really clear in say how much I
was struggling, because it's fearful you think, oh, people really
knew what was going on, and said my head, you know,
you just have that judgment on yourself, Oh dare that's.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, yeah, thank you for sharing that, because I just
want to hear something now that from a men's males
perspective here right, And my view on my own situation
is I just got totally one hundred percent depend on
my wife for anything and everything, and if she passed,
I'd die a minute later.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I so would.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
But what I realized at the times when I piled
on the pressure that actually recognizing the stress that that's
putting her under and she's got her own world going on,
like you, three children under four and those things, is
that that's actually for them. For me as a male,
was quite empowering for me to go, you know, like,
for one of a better description, get your shit together
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or get some of it together and move forward together,
you know, talk about it, have some you know, have
some real connection over this.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And it is you know, sitting
down and I think you know, share to post a
while back around for the husbands or the partners, you know,
don't wait to be asked, you know, offer and sometimes
it just you know, the offer of help, knowing that
you know that in with the trenches with you it
can be huge. But I know how hard it is
(07:39):
to ask for that help. And so that's why I
think it's really important if the you know, the partner
can say you know and you just you know, this
conversation is an example. You can say, hey, I heard
Haysindia and talking today and you know, is there anything
I could do? And you know, just ask a few
times and see secretly yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Absolutely, Okay, So just to I don't know, I suppose
you're it's organic in a way, isn't it. But there
are there are a few tips sort of to you know,
starting with a bit of connection, a few ways to
sort of put in motion or plan. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I think the biggest thing, and I talked about this
on my post this morning, is you know, one of
the five ways to well being is take take notice.
And I think when you're a mum in the trenches.
You're kind of like, you know, because coaching and counseling
and so call it like they're really good, but you're
kind of like, I don't have time for that. So
take notice is a really great place to start. And
(08:37):
it's just looking at gratitude. So when we start looking
at everything that is going wrong, like I'm not getting
enough slate in my house with a terps, oh gosh,
and I've got to get the kids here, then there
the GEPs drew all.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Of those things.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
That's where our attention is. But if we can flip
it and take notice, and you know, my challenge would
be it's just three things, you know, what what what
has gone great or what's going on well? And then
dive a little bit deeper into the why. And so
then if our tension is focusing on what's going well,
that's what we start to notice. And then you know,
bring all those good happy hormones, you know, and that's
(09:12):
like exercise as well, like it keeps all those indulphins
and feel good things going. So there is you know
a lot of science to the background of you know
why these five ways as well being are good as
well as they're proven and every day to day. So
that's where it starts. There's a you know, a mum
out there at the moment that's just going mate, I'm
keeping my head above water. Three things to you know,
(09:35):
what's gone well for a day?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Fabulous advice born from experience, d M Parks of Love.
This chat could go on for hours now. Social media wise,
how if people want to who haven't seen your post today,
where do they sort of get a hold of you?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
So they can find me on DM parks And I
have just tagged and a whole lot of people. I've
shared it on the family Mum's goodsite and yeah, but
Instagram is where you'll find me hanging out and yeah,
so they can find me on there and that, yes,
flex your message if you know people are they just
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have a gap feeling they know something that's not right
and they don't know where to start.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Also heavily involved.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
With raw support trust as well.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So yeah, people kind of like, I don't know what's wrong,
just let me a message and say that and I can. Yeah,
points in the right direction as to who can.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Help your bloody marvelous dye And thank you so much
for your time today. And I'm sure we'll chat again
in the not too distant future. Much appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Awesome, Thank you, match, have a beautiful Thursday.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Thank you.
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Two reports on dairy beef are being released to clients
next week for the team at Rabo Back, one focused
on New Zealand, and one with the Global Lends, co
authored by Gen Corkran and Emma Higgins and Jen joins
us now afternoon. Gen.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Hi, how a haymoush oh, I'm.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Great, thank you, thank you for joining us. What do
we mean by a dairy beef in the New Zealand context?
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Yeah, thanks Samush. So we have got two reports coming
out and they're both focusing on dairy beef. So it's
a great point to define what this actually means, right
because ultimately almost all dairy kettle end up in the
beef supply chain once they've done their service to the
New Zealand industry. Right, So, dairy beef in this context,
and what we're talking about here is basically dairy calves
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born to dery cows on dairy farms, but these are
the calves that are then reared for beef production. So
typically they are simpless calves that aren't required as here
for replacements, so they might some of them might be
sided by dairy balls, some of them might be sided
by beef balls. And we've got about four million calves
born annually to dairy calves. Around a third of those,
(12:05):
or about twenty eight percent of those kept is here
for replacements, So technically there's a seventy percent kind of
surplus of calves. And what this report is focusing on
in the New Zealand context is what is the opportunity
to make use of more of these calves and our
beef production systems and we all know, you know what
beef products have been looking like recently, so there is
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an opportunity here to perhaps do a little bit more
with some of these calves that currently aren't being read
for beef production.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
So we had a great chat yesterday with our Australia
corresponding to Chris Russell, and you know, the Aussie beef
outlook is just pumping and it's got longevity about it.
So why does this New Zealand report you describe this
as a strategic moment for dairy beef in New Zealand. Yeah,
it's a real green light opportunity, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
It really is.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
And I think the challenge with beef production systems right
is that they are a longer game in terms of
space between a calf being born a minute being ready
to enter in terms of like meat production, the beef
supply chain. So there's a real opportunity here because you know,
we've got a bit of legs in the global beef
outlook for the next few years, strong pricing just based
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on kind of a global shortage of red meat. So
this year alone, you know, we are sitting in a
fallout of two years ago. We are not many dairy
beef calves. We're weird, so normally we are already wearing
about a quarter of the calves born sadary calves and
producing their menstery. So that's just about over a million head,
just over a million head of those four million calves. Great,
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we could do more, and you see boom and bust
kind of cycles with calf We're in this year one
hundred and forty five thousand odd extra calves compared to
last year being reared about two years ago it was
the opposite, so we had not all those calves extra
cars being read and we're seeing the fallout of the
now right, so global beef supplies down, especially in the
United States in some of the Northern Hemisphere countries, and
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those countries like Australia that are pumping out beef at
the moment are really being able to capitalize on those
high prices, right And we've got a lot of supplying
New Zellan, so that's sort of adding a little bit
of upside to our prices as well. But actually that
everygeball value is high and that's not related to our
supply here.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
In New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
So it's a great opportunity to you know, perhaps a
few of these extra calves. We're not saying it's going
to be easy or that we can rear see of
the calves because that's unlikely however, you know, and the
report talks about this, but if we rare if we
have a kind of meaty goal of extra say six
hundred thousand calves at today's current market prices, that's you know,
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that's unlocking about another one point two billion conservatively. You know,
a net rid Medics book check so it's an interesting proposition,
I think.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Yeah, absolutely, Okay, So what are the challenges you talk about?
It won't be easy and there's a bit of time involved,
but what are the key challenges preventing the wider adoption
of this given the good outlook?
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Yeah, that's right, And this isn't a new topic, right,
So dairy beef has been a topic that we've discussed
over many many years, we being New Zealand, and broadly
there's three but challenges. Hey, motion, so I can touch
on all of these. But firstly are pastoral farming systems.
Secondly car rearing it's a challenge, and then also kind
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of this collaborative approach that we might need between the
sectors for dairy and beef in perhaps industry as well.
So number one, our farming systems in New Zealand, we're
really set up here around pasture growth and the pasture
growth curve watch is seasonal. And then the dairy sense
this makes a lot of sense, right because we want
peak pasta supply lining up with peak milk supply in
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the demand that cows deer cows have at that time.
So we all understand, you know that that's the way
our systems are set up, but this makes it really
challenging in a carving sense and different to many Oversese
countries that might be carving just all through the year,
equal amounts of cars each month, and that makes it
a lotle easier for wearing for labor for are basically
for a farm system. So under seasonal carving and New
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Zealanders is mostly in spring. There's also pockets of word
and carving now, which is great, but this creates a
short and intense window where calves are born over six
to eight weeks, a lot of calves, a lot of caves,
and how do we rear all of those calves. We're
already going to red heaer replacements. The other nuance we've
got these young dairy heifer cows coming through. They need
(16:25):
a low birth weight fire that means you know, easy
carving out in the pastures, shortly station links. There's been
something that's been a real focus to really make sure
there's that carving period is compact in growth rates. You know,
all these calves born to these heifers, all these cows.
Hasn't always been the goal because A we just need
heat replacements and B we need to get the calves
(16:47):
safely out of the cow so that they can start
producing milk. The other big elephant in the room if
we think about pastoral systems and New Zealanders, if we
want to rear all the calves, where are we going
to put them? So that's obviously something that we address
in the report and extra SA two million calves would
have to go somewhere, so of course we don't want
that to be at the expense of our beef breeding,
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herd or are used. So this is where it gets
really challenging in New Zealand. So the second big one
is calf wearing and we focus on this quite a
lot in the report and the New Zealand Report because
it's it is a nuanced it's got so many cars
being bought once. Labor is always a challenge in our
primary sector around you know, people to actually wear these calves,
and we've seen the boom bus cycle over the different
(17:31):
years with calves being read in numbers. Infrastructure around carf
wearing is also an interesting one, isn't it Because we
have these sheds that are used for this really intense
and short period of time and it makes it difficult
to have that capital infrastructure sitting there empty maybe for
other parts of the year, so we can talk about
split carving and other ways that we can get around us.
But it's not necessarily easy. But overall, and I think
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the third one is really just some great coordination and
feedback loops across their value supply chain for dairy beef
in New Zealand could really mean that we have a
more consistent pathway for dairy beef and we could really
be sort of jumping into those tailwinds of the high
prices like we are seeing now out there.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, good stuff and the opportunities there. There are some challenges,
but wrapping up Gin, the outlook looking pretty good. Five
to ten years down on the track, there's some positive
thinking and there's real green shoots here.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Yeah, certainly some green shirts and opportunities are always faced
with challenge, right, But this report's really just opening up
the conversation around what are our challenges? Why are we
doing And there's a global report as well that sort
of sits in line with us one to compare some
of the other global systems and how they're doing dairy beef.
But how also we are quite different here, so we
need to have a lot of grace with ourselves. But yeah,
(18:50):
great opportunity. The beef pricing is going to be strong
over the next two to three years in New Zealand,
we think, and certainly beef is a versatile protein. People
know what to do with it, popular, healthy, real food.
So yeah, we'll have a stake for Dinnish, might I think?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah? Amazing what that old bit of water and a
bit of grass and a bit of sunshine can do.
I here go fantastic, Jen, Thank you very much, much appreciated.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Thanks nice to talk homes the.
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It is that time where we head across the ditch,
across the Tasman and catch up with our wonderful Australian,
corresponded Chris Russell. A bit of a roady down to
waggle Woggle. We might talk about that at the end,
but right now, Chris wool prices enjoy a meteoric rise
over the last ten weeks. What's behind that?
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Well, Hoimi Swiss has snuck up on us a bit
for a long time. You know, we used to talk
every week about wool price and report, and we sort
of got bored with it. We've always sat around the
eleven hundred cents of kila and nothing much happening. Everyone's
doing and gloom. But in the last ten weeks we've
seen the longest run of price rises in wool on
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the Least Eastern Market indicator, which is what we use
as a guideline, since nineteen eighty seven. That's a long
time ago. And in the last it's gone up four
dollars a kilo, and it's gone up a dollar akilo
just in the last week. So I thought, well, I've
better have a bit of a look at you know,
what's driving this all of a sudden, And it's the
old Chinese story. Of course, as usual, that's where seventy
(20:25):
percent of our wall goes, and in particular, the Chinese
government is looking to replace uniforms. Now. It's interesting that
if you look back to the nineteen fifties when wool
was selling for a pound a pound, which in today's
money works out for I think it round about the
thirty two dollars a kilo. That was also driven by
a renewal of all the uniforms for the new uniforms
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for the Chinese army in those days, so they're looking
to replace the uniforms, which is that's creating demand. There's
also a dramatic shortage of all of course, a lot
of people have gone out of wool producer sheep more
into the lambs because that's where the money's been, and
so they're having to compete for the wall. So the
haggling that used to occur at the ockins, that's not
(21:09):
happening at the moment, and we're seeing them more or
less paying whatever they need to pay to get hold
of this wool. And so everyone is pretty excited about.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Where that might go.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
And I went to a talk by the head of
a WY the other day, and he's always been optimistic
that wool was going to make a comeback because we
want to get rid of all the microplastics and all
the other the sort of nasties out of our clothing.
And it looks like he's been proven right, because there's
certainly some money in into the moment and there's no
sign of looking like that price rose is going to stop.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
Homies yep.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
And if it's driven by that demand on that scale,
from China. I think you're one hundred percent onto it.
Chris beef to keep rising over there for two years
prediction of by thirty five percent.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yes, well, you know, we're in the case of at
the moment we're a bit short of beef in the South,
and there's lots of beef in the North. But that's
been interesting to see where that market's lightly to go.
And I was reading some forecasts by some of the
ex so called experts here and they're saying that we
could see up to thirty to thirty five percent height
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in prices over the next couple of years, you know,
due to the expansion in demand, particularly for our style
of meat, and particularly from America. We've got a new
free trade agreement now with the United Arab Emirates which
they're buying a lot of lamb as well. That's going
to factor off into high red meat prices generally. But
what they're saying that by twenty twenty eight it will
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probably come back a little bit and it's going to
settle in at about five hundred and fifty to five
hundred and seventy cents of kilo between twenty twenty eight
and twenty thirty three. Well, that's still bloody good money, Amsed.
You know, I think most farmers would say I can
make good money, and that particularly you know way out
north where they're mainly having these brahmins or yaxes there
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I lightly called by US Southerners, where you know, they
were lucky to get two dollars fifty akilo and they're
getting three seventy four dollars you know, good money for
those animals up there on that to out back country.
So really I think the optimism is there for beef,
particularly in Queensland. The question is are we going to
be able to produce enough to actually fully take advantage
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of all those prices.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Incredible but good to have some sort of future proofing
in there. As you say, it's still at reasonable amounts.
Even if it does back off a little bit, You've
covered off a little bit there. The UAE Free Trade
Agreement will be very good for Australians. Now Unisi, this
is interesting finds for the first time that more obese
children globally are malnourished more than thin ones.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Yeah, well this is an interesting story. You know, way
back in the seventies there was a big report they
talked about the Green Revolution. They were going to solve,
you know, famine in the world by these new varieties
of rice that came out. Ira eight was the real
hero of all that. But in fact, while it solved
the shortage of carbohydrate, it did not solve the shortage
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of protein and therefore the malnourishment of kids, so we
didn't have any more famines in terms of total food.
We certainly have always had some problem with malnutrition. Now
in Africa, a lot of the problem is education of
the mothers in knowing what they need to feed. But
in Australia and in the sophisticated countries, we're now seeing
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malnourishment and these are amongst of beese kids because there's
much too much relying on ultra refined foods as they
call them, or junk food. I think we prefer to
call it, and people it's a convenience food. Both parents
are working just get them summon to fill them up,
and they're saying that obesity now in Australia and UNISEF
(24:49):
is saying globally is now over fifty percent of those
children are actually obese rather than ultra thin. But they're
still undernourished and suffering from malnutrient. So this is a
massive change and there's a lot of calls now of
course for taxes to be brought in on junk food,
on over fatty, over salted foods, and over sugar foods
(25:12):
to try and solve this problem, a very different problem
than the one we had way back when we saw
those collegal wrecks of Ethiopian children back in the fifties
and sixties.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Homish, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, remarkable stuff. Remarkable stuff.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I'm not going to talk to rug because you're just
going to give us our best coach back at some point,
thank you. But I do want to talk about West
Australia pushing for sharing to be on the Olympics in
Brisbane twenty thirty two. Get the hand piece out, grind
the comb.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I'm there well in the fed inc Of department. I
don't think it's going to happen, Hamish, but there is
a West Australian teenager who's calling them for to be included. Interestingly,
she comes from Catanning, which is right next door to
Darken where earlier this year a New Zealand girl from
I think she came from over here. Is that how
(26:00):
you say that? In New Zealand and Alexa Phillip broke
Phillips broke the female world record for the most marino
shoes used Sean in eight hours, three hundred and sixty seven.
So right next door to her, it's a big shearing area.
And as we've now had a call from catanning this
kay Kayley Sander is watching the Paris Olympics. She thought
(26:22):
one sport was missing sharing, so she's put in the
submission to Brisbane. They're allowed to choose one sport and
she's going to push pretty hard with the support I'm
sure of the West Australian government. They have it put
in how many countries we'd have competing, might be Australian,
New Zealand and maybe in South Africa. That might be
the end of that.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Oh, the Welsh are pretty good. The Scott's go right too.
Maybe they'll be the odd Frenchman in there as well,
but yeah, I think it'd be good. Let's see how
the World Championships go with the gold and she is
here mastered and in March. Hey, Chris, leave you to it
to go and enjoy waggle Wogger. Thank you very much.
As always, no.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
No worries Homish, great to talk to you.
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news Dog zb That was our Ossie, corresponded Chris Russell.
How great would it be to see sharing at the
Olympics A so those chicky Aussies they might do what
was the name Raygun? They might get They might put
the Wrinkley Marinos in there, and then they might be
a bit of a challenge and some pretty good shares
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up in Europe these days. But it would be fun
one of the great competition sports to watch. I promise
you if you ever get to go to the Golden
Shears or the Apparity Shears, the Eppity Young Farmers Club,
she is pie here anyway, you'd love it. Anybody in
New Zealand would love it. It is fantastic right from
those assie beef prices Rising Rising Rising and sharing to
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the start of a new Zealand sharing and wool handling season.
The champion sharer is he ain't gonna like this bloke
a lot, Jack Fagan. That's coming up here on the
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Alrighty ho, I think we're going to be joined now
by Well, he's been sort of spent a lot of time.
He's been away most of the winter competing over there
in a Europe Jack Fagan, Good afternoon, Jack afternoon.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Oh I'm great mate yourself.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
You just got back well you competed in Perth on
the way home as well.
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Yeah, I'm actually just out on the farm. Dad and
I are out spraying and I landed back from Perth
yesterday after competing at the Perth Royal Show. On Saturday
and managed to get third, which was which was a
pretty big, big moment for me on a big marino competition.
So yeah, I'm all the same.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, good to get a few of those Wrinkley's done.
They you know, what are they like? In Perth?
Speaker 9 (29:46):
They were probably some of the better ones will she
To be honest, they were pretty pretty plain marinos down
on the South Island. Up in the Central Otago. We
can get a few gnarly ones later on in the
season if there's a bit of snow in that around,
but now the ones and Western Australia were generally pretty
good too.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Have they bred to be better to share? Is that
something that's happened over the years with marinos.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
I'd say definitely in the last forty fifty years they've
got a lot plainer taken that, a lot of the
wrinkle out of them, and the ball's probably got a
little bit stronger in places too. But there's still a
lot of traditional farmers that argue that with skin and
wrinkle you're going to cut more wall and it's the
weight where they're making their margin. So I mean, the
average farmer in Wa at the moment's making forty to
(30:30):
fifty dollars a fleece, whereas the ones that are actually
cutting a lot of waller getting up around eighty ninety
dollars a fleece.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah yeah, okay, well that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Right, So we've got and of course the recklar ones
down on Alexander that's coming up. Was that this week?
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Yeah, that's this week.
Speaker 9 (30:47):
We've got the big wall handling in Team's event on Friday,
and then the Senior and Open on the Saturday. So
that's our first competition of the New Zealand Sharing Circuit season.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Right and now culmination, we've got what we've got World
Champs coming up this year?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Is that right too?
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Come up early next year?
Speaker 9 (31:03):
Yep, the five, six, seven, eight of March at the
Golden Shares and masted and so all the world teams
will be coming out straight after the new year and
we'll get settled into a bit of work and some
competitions and it's going to be a pretty hard New
Zealand team to make at the moment too.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah. So how do we have Is it a two
person team in the World Champs?
Speaker 9 (31:22):
Yes, so arguably there'd be twenty top guys in the
country and only two Shares get to make the New
Zealand team. So we're doing a bit of a long
winded circuit at the moment, Tor Henderson is way out
in front of the circuit, and then there'll be a
second Shar selected at another final in early February.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
So okay, So what do you have to do personally?
Where do you need to really shine out and show
your strength to make it?
Speaker 9 (31:49):
So I'm probably middle of the pack at the moment.
We've got another five competitions in our circuit, so practically
out of those five shows, I'm either going to have
to win a couple or at least get in the
final and place well just to get some enough points
to make that big final in February.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, I mean at the end of the day too,
the Golden Shears magnificent event, I mean, the pinnacle in
many respects. But it it'd be quite a hard watch,
wouldn't it, just knowing the world champs are at the
same time. Still, I guess it's only two of about
twenty as you say, who could be contenders? Yeah, yeah, no,
Now what else we got coming up? So where do
(32:27):
we go? Where do we go after Alexandra? It's just
pretty much fall on right through this, right through the
late spring summer, right through.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
Yeah, right through until early December. So after Alex we
go to Waymati for the New Zealand Spring Sharing Champs.
We've also got a Winter Comb title there, which is
another marino competition. It's great for us to get another
one under our belt. The all these are fair bit
stronger on marinos than kiwis traditionally, so the more we
can do the better. And then we head up to
Gisbon the Great Rahani Show in the Hawk's Bay one
(32:57):
or two, Whypuck, then to christ Church Stratford and then
flying today. So fair bit up and down the country.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, fantastic though. Okay, so now how much sort of
time do you get for day to day shit sharing?
I mean there's a fair bit of travel involved in
all that, isn't there.
Speaker 9 (33:16):
Yeah, pretty much working when it's the main season, working
during the weekdays and then the weekends get away on
a plane or either a big trip in the car
with some mates and it's just for the weekend competing.
But there's a lot of camaraderie with getting on the
road with your mates and I actually starting to have
a bit more to do with our local rugby club
with a speech here, and I listened to all the
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rugby boys talk about their travels and a few parties
and their camaraderie, and I thought, God, I've missed out
on all of this because I'm a sharer. And then
I flipped it and thought, actually, we're exactly the same
in the sharing industry, which is pretty awesome.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Do you know what I jack as a boy, and
this is just before David was on the scene, but John,
Uncle John would have been on the scene there. I'd
pull up at these shows as a young kid and
I'd see I and Rosen Didge come in and his
big green Falcon, and then Samson Hammerhona to Fotta and
another big you know, and just and the camarade, you
know how they all go around and shake each other's hands,
(34:09):
furiercely competitive on the board. But I reckon that camaraderie
is something that's been around, and I'm pleased to hear
that it still is. Is that sort of you know,
when you're together at a big open show, you're all
you're all sort of like you know, you know, the blood,
sweat and tears that goes into this.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean pre final. Obviously things are going
to be pretty tense, and everyone likes to sit on
their own and just get in the zone and.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Work out what you what you got to do.
Speaker 9 (34:32):
But I mean post presentations, when once everyone's chilled out
having a bear by God, it can be fun and
talk about lasts. I reckon, We've got some of the
funniest characters in the world and the sharing industry, and
even if you talk to a few contractors, they'd probably
say the same.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, I reckon. I mean, I've got some magic times.
I mean, and I was known as the slowest sharer
and appity. I just tendency to sort of think about
other things. Jack was probably my problem. But when I
think to some of the laughs I used to have
with boy Mananu and Dennis McKenzie and Marcus Cown and
some of the guys I worked with, fantastic days and
(35:08):
long made that continue in the wallshed. Busy, big season
ahead for you all the best, Alexander this weekend, Jack
and qualifying for one of those two places. Yeah, I
imagine Old Tour is going to be quite hard to
haul and very quickly though European, so I know it's
a little while ago. Now the World Champs and everything
that was going on up there. But how was the
sort of your European sojourn.
Speaker 9 (35:28):
We had a great tour up through England, Wales, Ireland,
Scotland and France. We managed to win three out of
the six tests. Obviously disappointed we couldn't get six from six,
but yet we're still still learning and getting getting stronger.
And yeah, I'm thoroughly looking forward to getting back next year.
It's a hell of a fun tour.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, excellent.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Ay, Jack, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm going to take
it on my shoulders. I want to see more sharing
in more mainstream. You can't get more mainstream than than
the country in terms of rural coverage and getting it
into the into the cities as well. And every time
my cousin Jamie lets me on the show, I'll make
sure I give sheer as he does, I'll make sure
we give sheering a good pump. Jack Fagan, thanks very
(36:09):
much for joining us.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Thanks so much the best of.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
The country with rubber back.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Choose the bank with one hundred and twenty years global
agribusiness experience.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Grow with Rubberback.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Actually, I could just see you Richard Lowe on a
guitar with a big hat Yellowstone rip wheelerlike singing a
bit of country music. I mean that that'd be your go,
wouldn't it, Lowy?
Speaker 10 (36:32):
Good afternoon, Homer share, Probably we bet, But I don't
think I could handle Beth though.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
No, I don't think not even you could handle Beth.
Although I suspect you probably need somebody like Beth, and
I suspect that the Beth in your world probably does
have to control you like Beth. Right, I won't go
any further on that. When you're not named in a
team from one week to the next, Lowy, you dropped, right,
Why do we have to have?
Speaker 10 (36:58):
Yeah, once upon a time, I think you were. But
I think it was John Hart that started to introduce
that rotation.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
And then I can remember right back to went there.
Speaker 10 (37:10):
I thought him and grizz had the side over in
the ninety one World Cup, played the first game against England,
and then I sat on the sideline for the second
game and Pervy took over, and that was the sting.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
I think that era was the start of rotation.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Rotation because you weren't dropped, I mean Pervy with all jurisdicm.
You were the you were, you were the king of.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
If you're not playing, if you're not playing, you take.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Here.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
It's a it's yeah, some of the it's very very
different these days. The way you get a niggle, you
don't play.
Speaker 10 (37:49):
Yeah, gone are the days you carried on Friday minutes,
week in, week out. Now after four or five tests,
you're a wee bit banged up, so you need a rest.
You'll be able to tell me where's the next test
after this weekend, So you've got a bit of downtime
to recover, having you missed the Proctor for.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Example, exactly that whole banged up thing. All that's done
for me is opened the door for Quintu Pie to
play a good game at center and Billy Procter doesn't
get another chance. It is Billy Procter hasn't as delivered
quite as they had wanted, and I feel like banged
up as an excuse, and they would like what to
Pi did late in the game the other week, so
they're going to give him a shot. Same with Satiti
(38:28):
second season Blues. The bloke's not firing on all cylinders
like he showed, so we're going to go with Lackeye
at number eight. We just need to say it how
it is.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
I don't think so, Tt. You're being very generous to him.
Speaker 10 (38:39):
He's got a real dose of the second season blues
and I know he's had a couple of injuries, but hey,
the All Black jerseys meant to be about those that
are performing and performing week in week out, and that's
probably why Ardie severe. It doesn't matter what number jersey
he's got, on what position he's playing, He's there because
(39:00):
he performs week in week out, like we saw during
Super Rugby from Moanna Pacificate.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yep, okay quickly the Wallabies Lowy well Skelton and Rob
Valentini their big bodies and against and last week that's
possibly what they missed. They'll be. They'll be a much
tougher position, even though they got within a few points
of us in at Eden Park, A much tougher proposition
in Perth.
Speaker 10 (39:24):
As we know these games between the Wallabies and the
All Blacks, they're always close in a lot of ways.
And I don't I expect I said before last week's Test,
I thought it was their opportunity.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
If they had have got up over.
Speaker 10 (39:39):
The All Blacks, then it would have been all on
in Perth because the cup would have been on the line,
and I'm one that believes that should be on the
line every week and that would really spice things up.
But I don't think they'll, you know, they'll make that
much more difference. I think the All Blacks are still
probably more mobile and with the changes that have been
(40:02):
made to the pack, they're definitely more mobile than the Wallabies.
And I don't think Wallabies have got one or two
in their team that are quite soft, and I think
that's a big difference.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Al Right, I will see you and I'll analyze this
on Monday. I'm going to call you back because I've
got a slightly different view on it, so we might
talk monday, if that's all right.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
The best of the Country with rubber back choose the
bank with a huge network of progressive farming clients.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Rubber Bag.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
News Dog zed B. That's Richard Lowe wrapping the show
with a bit of Halo sailor. I just want to
lie in the sand lowly lying in the sand. That's
an interesting thought, isn't it. Yes, my name is hartmss McKay.
Thank you very much for your company this morning. Jamie
mckaye is over there in Perth to watch the All
Blacks take on the Aussies later today. That'll be an
(40:59):
absolute ripper. Some interesting old odds available and that one
of them talking about that. Okay, this says Bean, the
Beast of the country, brought to you by a rubber bank.
Thanks for listening, leaving an hour with I just want
to lie in the set your beauty. This is beautiful.
Speaker 10 (41:39):
Who you.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
And your while.
Speaker 11 (41:53):
I just want to lie, lie, Lie Lie. I just
wont to lie, lie, lie lie in the sand.
Speaker 12 (42:11):
Ship sails, sail a boy, they can't bring.
Speaker 8 (42:30):
Anything, but I just won't to lie lie Lie lie
in the sn.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
But I just won't to lie lie lie.
Speaker 12 (42:44):
Like a sen.
Speaker 11 (42:50):
Oh that sound.
Speaker 5 (42:53):
Wonderful.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Palm dnsy the wind.
Speaker 12 (43:06):
And lesy.
Speaker 8 (43:08):
Come rolling, And I just want to lie, lie Lie
lie in the and I just want to lie lie
Lie Lie and as and I just want to lie
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lie
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Lie lie as
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