December 10, 2025 • 36 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Emma Higgins, Winston Peters, Kate Acland, Hayes Garland, and Chris Russell.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
Podcast with Jamie mckue thanks to Brent your specialist in
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Speaker 2 (01:01):
Good afternoon, New Zealand, Jamie McKay, Welcome to the Country,
brought to you by Brent On. A bit of a
sad day for me tomorrow night. I'm running a boomer's
disco for my Wednesday afternoon golfing group, the Waglers, great
bunch of blokes. Yesterday we lost our president, Eric Olsen,
(01:22):
champion of a bloke eighty years of age going on eighteen.
Rest in peace. Eric. You'll miss the disco tomorrow night.
Might be a blessing. You might not like the music.
Another eighty year old was going to be kicking off
the show for us, but I can't get him on
the blower that is Winston Peters. We will try and
track him down between now and the end of the hour.
(01:46):
At eighty years of age, how many more elections has
Winston got on him?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Literally, he died with his boots on in Parliament and
I mean that in the most respectful manner. Anyhow, We'll
kick it off with Emma Higgins. Rabobank has just released
its Q four Global Dairy Quarterly Report. And here's the
question that comes out of the report, is nine dollars
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now on the cards for this season. Kate Ackland is
the chair of Beef and Lamb New Zealand. Yesterday we
got news of the national lamb crop up a couple
hundred thousand lambs. We do or the sheep industry does
remarkably well in this country, lots of production out of
far less use than we used to have in the
nineteen eighties. So we're going to talk about those and
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the prospects for lamb over the next couple of years.
Also on the show today a final farmstrong farmer for
twenty twenty five. His name is Hayes Garland. He's a
contract milking on the Hiraki planes. And our Rossie correspondent
is Chris Russell, So hopefully I can find Winston between
now and the end of the hour. But up next
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to Emma Higgins, affectionately here on the country, I call
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her the Christmas Grinch. She bites back about that one.
But she is also a RABO Research Senior agg analyst.
Her name is Emma Higgins and she is authored the
Q four Global Quarterly Dairy report, And Emma, I want
to start with the sentence that caught my eye, and
this is from you, your words. There is an elevated
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risk that farmgate milk price moves lower across the course
of the season, which could mean that the final season
payout lands around the nine dollars per kilogram of solid smark.
That is Christmas scrinch sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Emma, good up the known good afternoon, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Just the season.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Look, I promise I'm not stealing Christmas or trying to
like the Grinch, but I am just trying to make
sure that farmers aren't blindsided by what could be coming
down the pipeline. So perhaps think of me as the
Grinch who brings a reality check so that farmers can
plan and prepare accordingly.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
The story about the milk is all about supply. As
I had said often in recent weeks, the tap has
literally been turned on right around the world and here
in New Zealand, there's just too much supply for the
demand out there at the moment.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Yeah, absolutely too much milk, not enough demand. That's the
story globally, and we're certainly seeing it locally as well.
With eighth gdt's moving lower. On the trot and look
New Zealand farmers are producing record volumes as well. It
is very bittersweet, right, because commodity priceures and commodity prices
themselves that are obviously under pressure due to extra supply,
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and globally that's the story too. So we think that
the peak of global milk supply from the Big Seven
or what we like to call the Big Seven. These
guys are responsible for around eighty percent of global trade.
We think that peak has passed, and that passed in
quarter three, but quarter four is likely to end up
at a very similar level. The good news is that,
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you know, twenty twenty six should see some balancing come
into play around milk supply, but it will take probably
until the second half of twenty six for this to emerge.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
We think, so, was ten dollars just a fleeting moment.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Well, it's appearing that way, just given that we've moved
from Fonterra forecasting ten dollars down to nine dollars fifty
for the twenty five to twenty sixth season. I think
the reality is that what's changed is that we knew
global milk supply was increasing, right. Farmers in New Zealand.
We're making more money, so we and certainly my view
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was that we were going to see stronger milk production.
I think what is shot to the market is the
volume coming out of the northern hemisphere, and it's coming
from two places. One is the United States. Now, again
we did see this coming to the extent that margins
were quite positive. But what's been really strong out of
the United States is obviously the dairy beef calf income,
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so that's helping to prop up margins now in the
face of weaker milk prices. The real surprise factor has
come out of the EU. And what's happened there is
that established or or had a second flush come through
and that's the result of the blue tongue virus that
we've talked about on previous shows, Jamie that had an
impact on carving patterns last year, and so this year
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we've seen just a change in terms of the milk
supply coming out of the EU. Market's been caught a
little bit on the hop with all of this together,
and we've got too much milk for market.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Okay, final question for you, if you're a dairy farmer
listening to this and you're updating your budget as we speak.
What number would you plug in there? Would you plug
a nine dollars splat?
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Well, I think we need to be realistic. You know,
we do have a situation where it does take a
while for those supply taps as you talked about, to
be switched off.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Now.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Typically if we think about the northern hemisphere, it can
take up to six months of negative margins to start
seeing those slaughter rates really emerge and changes to the
supply scenario. So I think we do need to be realistic. Hey,
if we get above nine dollars, that's fabulous, but you know,
moving into Christmas and thinking about the year ahead in
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twenty twenty six, maybe it might be a little bit
prudent to think about alignment. Press.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Emma Higgins from Rabobank, thanks for your time, Thanks for
your contribution throughout twenty twenty five. Always love chatting to you.
And you know I'm only joking about the Grinch bit.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Right, absolutely, no, I appreciate the banter we have.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Thank you, Emma, and of course love Rabi Bank here
on the country, great supporters of ours and they've got
our final prize for the countdown to Christmas. We're going
to tell you a bit about that when Michelle, when
Michelle wanders in here at the bottom of the hour,
because we've got one thousand dollars cash not to give
to you, but to give away to the charity of
your choice. Please don't enter now. We'll give you all
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the information at about twelve thirty. And also we're going
to tell you who won CBS the CBS co Op
Prize from Yes Today, Thank you CBS co Op. Great company,
that one will co Op. So we've got one thousand
dollars Bunnings gift card to give away and we'll announce
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the wonder for that one. If you're wondering what's happening
in the cricket, let me just see where what In
New Zealand they're eighty four for one? Are they trailed
by one hundred and twenty one? Tom Latham is out
and I just got a text in from Winston. He's
on the road. He's up next, Winston Peters for the
final time on the country in twenty twenty five. Up next,
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as we remember, Eric, welcome back to the country. Well,
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I finally got a hold of him. Kept going to
voice smail, but we always get our man here on
the country Winston Peter's former Deputy Prime Minister, Foreign Affairs
Minister Winston I want to start with we talked about
survive to twenty five. Where did we go wrong? Why
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has this ship been so tough?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Realities was that it was a misunderstanding of the state
and the very bad set of the economy in twenty
twenty three of the consequence the urgency and changing it
was not what it should have been. That's very very clear.
But it's started to turn around now. But as I
say it fully turning around a year too late or
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a year later than it should be happening.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So is that a criticism of your coalition partners.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
No, Look, all the economists got it wrong, Treasure got
it wrong, and the mainstream media got it massively wrong.
And here we are. They'll they'll never enn up to it,
of course, because they'll never acknowledge the fact that somebody
was saying back in twenty twenty three, after the fifteenth
of March the first quarter measurements came out just how
bad things were. But a despicable situation. We're instanct moment.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
So nobody can rely on the mainstream media?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Okay, what is the fix for twenty six? What are
you going to do about it?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Well, at three twenty six, you've got to get out
there and make sure we narrow some of our targets,
make sure the big things that are required to be
changed do change and as fast as possible.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Your old mate Jim Bolger said, bug. Of the poles,
you no doubt will echo whose thoughts. We've had two
poles out this week. One suggests a reasonable lead for
the current coalition. Another one sort of said hung parliament. Otherwise,
poles don't matter a jot really do they are? What
nine ten eleven months out from an election?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Well, in every leading democracy in Australia, other UK, the
United States, the poles have a certain parody or they're
very very close in usum, huge differences in the poles
and that's why the poles are rubbish.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
The RAMA reforms announced this week have been described as
the single largest economic reform and a generation. Do you
go along with that? Because you were there when the
RAMA came in.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I know actually, if you recall very distinctly, I was
in there saying that NASA buddy had got it all wrong.
In nine ninety one, a as a result that expelled
from the party. You remember that I do well.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
There's been a few expulsions over the years, so I
just one particular one. Once you've been kicked for touch
a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
No that no, no, mate. The difference is that I
do out there and I got a new I resigned
from powerment and got a new mandate, not like the
rest of them. Excuse me, don't try and put me
in the same bush as them. But back in nine
ninety one I was saying this is the wrong pathway
to go down and takes you a long time to
get a recognition, sometimes never. But as the facts, the
Layer Party drafts of the IRMA prior to the nine
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nine elections, the National Party adopted it.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, okay, so you're totally happy with what Chris Bishop
and his team have come up with.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Well, lastly, see, so I am there is some tweaking
to be done, but are huge as I am. There's
a massive restraint and a tossed and the time waste
that's going on with planning in our country, and councils
have got far too much power. Certain bureaucras they've got
a massive power within those councils and no one's got
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them under control. And so yes, we do support these
changes in the main.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Todd McLay as a Minister of Trade and you as
a Minister of Foreign Affairs, and I know the likes
of Judith Collins. Even we're doing some good work offshore.
How close do you reckon anyr harder hearts we are
to that FTA with India.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Well, that's not my timetable, but the Prime Minister promised
that in the first term of the government, and so
we've got a year ago, well not a year eleven
months ago on that. So the timeline I can't tell you,
but that's the time frame we're in.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Okay, so we're going to get one before the end
of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Oh look, you have turned the wrong minister here. I'm
not the Minister for Trade. I've done my best there.
I go to back up the Minister of Trade and
interact in with my colleagues. But that's for him to answer.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Talking about twenty twenty six in the election, what's happened
to Stuart.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Nash, Well, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I mean, is he still a New Zealand first candidate
or a potential candidate?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
But it never was an ez Ial first candidate.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Or you were singing as praise as at the annual conference.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
No look, for goodness sake, you're an experienced journalist. Words matter.
What did I say at the national comments in New
Zealand first that I think being a candidate. The answer
is nothing. So why are you now impusing that somehow
I did say something about it.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Well, go, I'll go back and I'll go back and
check my record's apologies if I got it wrong, but
I thought you were kind of endorsing in Winstone.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You know that you've got it wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Sheez Us journalists say, yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
You can know if I mentioned you should know this
very very clearly in your mind. If I'd have said
it did, the facts will be there that I can
tell you. I said no such thing. I just welcomed
him to the mimic.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Of the Okay, so he's not a candidate in the
election next year.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
For the young tieenth time. No one becomes a candidate
until I've been through the process and not on them.
Though I'm not in charge of that part of the
party's organization. That has not happened now at this point
in time, this is.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Our final chat for twenty twenty five and I always
enjoy a bit of banter with you, and you do
buy it nicely, and you always give back more than
you get. I've lost a great friend of mine yesterday,
an old golfing buddy eighty years of age, Eric Colson,
same age as you. In fact, he's a wee bit
younger than you. He's just turned eighty. I mean, you
(15:39):
have a remarkable constitution for a man your age, and
you show so show no signs of swowing down.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Oh, for goodness, say you know that's allows that. I've
got a great former press officers all people's home now.
But he came out of rural up north on the
seat of the Northland, worked at the post office and
went from there to be a soldier in Malaya and
then on to being a serious media specialist in New Zealand.
(16:13):
And you had some great advice than me. That's a
long ago, said Winston, going at your age, it's the
beast advice I can give you.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Well, Winston Peters, thank you for being a regular on
the Country. Do appreciate your time You've been on the show.
You realize since about the early two thousands you're one
of my longest standing correspondents. I wonder how many how
many more years the peir of us have got left
in this gick.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Oh well, see now again you have common sense and
logic on your program, and thank you for having me on.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
All right.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
In the meantime, you and your listeners have a great
Christmas and they are much better new Year.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, and merry Christmas to you and your family. We're
sending you a box and the Kaiser because you've been
a good supporter of the show and enjoy it. Okay,
there we go Winston for the final time and twenty
twenty five. Let me have a look at the cricket
ninety one for one? Are we trailed by one hundred
and fourteen at the basin reserve? Ninety three for one?
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Now it's run a couple of quick runs there. Tom
Latham is the only one out. Conways forty eight not
out and I've lost the screen. I'll come back to
that one. We'll update that one in Sports News for you.
Michelle's going to be in here shortly. We're going to
tell you all about today's prize, and it's our final
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prize in the countdown to Christmas. You've heard from Emma
Higgins from Rabobank. Rabobank, like Winston, the great supporters of
the show. We really do appreciate it. And this is
my favorite countdown to Christmas prize. It's one thousand dollars
and we'll tell you how you can nominate the charity
of your choice for that thousand dollars cash from Rabobank,
and we'll announce the winner from the CBS co Op
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Prize yesterday, which was of course one thousand dollars Bunnings
gift card. But up next we go from dairy farming
a bit earlier in the show with Emma Higgins to
sheep farming and our national lambing percentage and the prospects
for lamb with Kate Ackland, Chair of Beef and Lamb
New Zealand. We tease this one on yesterday's show. The
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national lamb crop, yes, we talked about it. Nineteen points
sixty six million head, a lift of one percent, nearly
two hundred thousand more lambs than last season, which is
a good result. Really, one hundred and thirty one percent
lambing across the nation. That's pretty good, up three point
seven percentage points on last year. And this is off
the back of less breeding use, so more lambs, more
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meat from less used. To tell us more about it,
the chair of Beef and Lamb New Zealand Kate Ackland.
Than Kate, this is a pretty good result for the industry.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well, hi Janney, look, this is a great result, particularly
to see an increase off the back of quite a
significant decrease in new numbers. So you know, it just
speaks to the really strong productivity gains the sheep seator
has made over many many years.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Sheep numbers speaked in this country in the nineteen eighties
when Rob Muldoon had lots of subsidies on and then
Long and Douglas came along and took them all often
that was the beginning, at the beginning, should I say
of the decline of sheep numbers, But Kate Ackland, the productivity,
the lamb productivity per you if you want meat productivity
story is amazing because I think with something like only
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ten or twelve percent down on the total kilogram of
lamb meat produced, even though the U numbers have more
than halved.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Absolutely, and these games are all around farmer's investing in
good genetics and looking after they're used that are breeding, feeding,
used ISAs. So you know, it's a really good news story,
and I don't think we talk enough about the games
that the sheep sector has made. You know, we could
argue we are the most productive sector in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
With the prospects. Should I say we've spoken to Emma
Higgins of a nine dollars milk price. Gee, we might
see some sheep farm conversions I say half in jest.
But sheep and beef is certainly looking more positive at
the moment and the short term admittedly than dairy.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Look, it absolutely is a really positive story, but we
are still seeing pressure on both U numbers. So even
though we've had a really good news story about the
lamb crop being up, we think there'll still be a
reduction in new numbers this season. We'll know a bit
more as the year goes on, but there's still the
pressure from forestry and the hills, and actually there's a
bit of pressure on some of the dairy conversions happening
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where lamb finishing previously would have happened. So, you know,
there's still a lot of pressure on the sheep sector.
But you know, on the whole, we're accepting still a
relatively tight supply high prices. Globally, there's a shortage of
sheep meats. Are looking good for sheep farmers.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Well Globally, milk production has come up to meet the
increased price. Are we likely to see that? I mean,
for instance, Australia, are they going to rebuild their herd
or their flock? Get it right?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
We're looking at a five point eight percent reduction in
OSSI export land, So New Zealand and Australia are out
of the game in town. When it comes to land exports,
we account for about eighty percent of the world's export lamb,
So Australia is well done. New Zealand is holding steady,
so you know that spells good news for farmers.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Kate Ackland share of beef and lamb New Zealand with
us along with your husband David. You farm at Mount
Summers Station in mid Canterbury. How's the season treating you?
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Look, we're hanging in there, actually getting just enough rain.
Nice to have the wind finally stop and not much
to complain about this yere.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Well, that's a nice story heading into Christmas. This is
the final time you and I will chat for twenty
twenty five. Thanks for always being readily available and good
luck to you and the team at Beef and Lamb
New Zealand for a prosperous new farming year.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Heavy great Christmas, Jamie, thank you, I will thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Kate. Devin Conway has his half century at the Base
and Reserve. Let me just update that we're trailing by
one hundred and nine runs now ninety six for one
in response to the Windy's all out yesterday for two
hundred and five. Okay, take a break on the other
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side of it. Some of your feedback on Winston and
Michelle's going to be in here and we're going to
talk about the Rabobank one thousand dollars to the charity
of your choice. Anyone who's entered so far, you're just
being greedy nominating yourself. You can't do that. You've got
to give the cash to someone else. And we'll tell
you who won the thousand dollars Bunnings gift card yesterday
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from the CBS co Op. It's all on the country
before the end of the hour, including our farm Strong,
our final farm strong farmer for the year. Where's he gone?
Hayes Garland on the Hiraki planes, Chris Russell's Rosie correspondent
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twenty two away from one. Michelle, what good afternoon. It's
our Chris. I'm missing our Christmas party tomorrow, the staff
one because I had already committed to running the Boomers Disco,
which has got extra meaning now that Eric's no longer
with us. So you'll have to drink, you'll have to
eat my share. I'll get told off again.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Yeah, I'll try my best.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
James, good on you. Okay, let's have a look at
Rural News and then we'll get into the final countdown
to Christmas Prize.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
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Speaker 2 (24:08):
Stockerst Actually, just before I do a Michelle, here's an
interesting text that's coming. Isn't it great to be talking
positively about sheep and beef with the eleven dollar lamb
and cautiously about the dairy sector with a nine dollar payout,
and that there has been a huge turnaround in fortunes
of those industries. I guess in the past few years,
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but I see in the past couple of seasons. Should
I say, but I see Myles Hurreles come out on
business desk and said, look, you know we're going down
a bit, but the global demand for dairy and the
long mid to long term is still very good. So
don't panic. Don't panic right out. What have you got
on Rural news and Rural News?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
First up, I've got Zprey. So thisbrey has announced its
plans to extend it's Ruby Read, which I'm excited about
because it's one of my favorites the Kiwi fruit season.
New variety is going to be called Read eighty and
the move follow strong growth this year, with more than
three million trays of Ruby red sold across key markets
including New Zealand, Asia and the USA. CEO Jason Debrak
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says Red eighty will harvest later and still longer than
the current Red nineteen variety, which helps keep the vibrant
fruit on shelves for more weeks, and he sees the
decision reflects Esprey's commitment to innovation and delivering value for growers.
The commercial planting of Red eighty begins in twenty twenty
six was four volumes expect in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
So that is Royal news. Just hang in there. Let's
just update the cracker sport on.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
The country with AFCO one hundred percent key we owned
and trusted.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
That's rare.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So New Zealand are ninety eight for one. Conway has
his half century time. Lathan's out. We trail the Windys
by one hundred and seven runs. Okay, Michelle yesterday and
this was a great prize from the CBS co Op.
If you don't know what they do, they give rural
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operators the same buying strength usually reserved for big agricultural
and construction groups. So good on you, CBS co Op.
And they had a thousand dollars Bunning's gift card to
give away on the countdown to Christmas. Who's the lucky
winner because I know you got inundated.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
A yeah he did.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
It was one of the biggest ones. So congratulations to
Bill Davidson from Palmerston North. You have got yourself that
thousand dollars gift card from Bunning thanks to CBS and.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
You're living the dream and Parmi North, which I often
call the farming capital of the country. Now our final
countdown to Christmas and anyone's who's entered up until now
and I'm watching you I'm keeping an eye on the
text machine. You are dcut because you took off for
the run too early and I've stumped you. Okay, so
our final countdown to Christmas price. I have paper coming
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out my backside here on the country is from our
good friends at Rabobank. They bring you, obviously the best
of the country each Saturday. They're also New Zealand's only
specialist food and agribank, dedicated to helping agribusiness grow and
they do great reports like the one Emma Higgins has
just written about the Court of the Globe, or the
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Q four Global Dairy Quarterly Report which suggests the payout
might be nine dollars, which I guess you're better to
be cautious, as all good budgets should. So we've got
one thousand dollars to give away, but not to you,
but Michelle, to the charity of your choice. If you
had to give to a charity, what would you give?
Speaker 6 (27:29):
I actually calf scheme all the way.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah me too, that's my one there. I actually carf
and rural scheme. So if you enter that now I'm
just joking. You just send in your charity of choice.
So what you need to do and thank you so much. Rabobank.
You need to text win and your name. It doesn't
matter where you're from because you ain't getting the prize,
So just text win and your name and the charity
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you would like to receive that thousand dollars donation at
text number is five double O nine. Okay, So text
win and then your name and the charity you would
like the money to go to. There's so many good
ones out there. We've suggested the IHC CARF and Rural scheme,
but it's totally up to you. Five double O nine
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is the text number. Up next, our final farm strong
farmer for twenty twenty five, Hayes Garland. He's milk and
cows on the Hieraky planes. So our final farm strong
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farmer for twenty twenty five has a great story. His
name is Hayes Garland. He's a contract milker on the
Haillraky planes, three hundred and thirty cows on one hundred
and forty five hectares. But Hayes, you haven't always been
a cow cocky. Tell us a little bit about your
farm and your background. Good afternoon you.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
Good afternoon mate, A good one. I appreciate you calling out,
reaching out. I was not a dairy farmer until my
early thirties, and I was originally an industry of the
hospitality right, and I was doing a little bit of
work relief, milking and whatnot for a family friend, and
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I kind of didn't look back from there.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
When I read your story online and it's on the
Farmstrong website, one thing stuck out to me. And this
was because I'm a big, big Rugby fan, no doubt
you are as well. You went along with two hundred
other Cockies to the Battle of the Bays. I e
Bay have Plenty versus Hawks Bay in Tauranga Bay of
Plenty Steamers on my second side behind the Southland Stags.
(29:47):
Tell us how that came about and what it meant
for you, because as I understand it, this game was
right in the middle of carving.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
Yeah, it was made. It was at a pinnacle time
of most dairy farmers were in a heap of it.
Our physical and our mental state would be on high alert,
so to speak. So it came at one of those
really difficult times. But hey, this trip for myself personally,
(30:17):
it was a godsend. I needed to get off farm
or I needed to give my mental my brain an
excuse to get off farm right and farm strong, and
FMG reached out and I was didn't hesitate.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I was on board.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Good on you. I love some of the quotes in
your story. I run the farm, the farm doesn't run me,
and as a former farmer, it's easy for me from
the outside looking in. Sometimes farmers get way too insular,
and even if they go to the pub on a
Friday night, they're boring someone about their lambing percentage or
something like that. You need to get your mindset out
(30:57):
of farming twenty four to seven. One needs to switch off.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Yeah, you're right, mate, You're definitely right. It's something that's
been in the farming in an egg industry for a long,
long long time, and I think the the responsibilities and
the spectations of the industry caused us to have the
(31:23):
mentality of that we had to be on farm twenty
four to seven.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Another quote of yours. I used to be a chronic
overthinker and suffered from anxiety. Have you put that behind
your hayes?
Speaker 7 (31:37):
To be honest, mate, I'm not gonna lie. It's a
work in progress. I am not as bad I have
in the last few years. I've inherited a lot of
good tools from good people and good advice from other companies,
and I'm more well equipped to deal with it, if
(31:59):
that makes sense made. So that's where preparation comes in.
Board Right Sporting they do preparations via training. Dairy farming,
it's the same thing. You've got to prepare yourself mentally
to go in into those challenges. And when's the best
(32:19):
time to do it At the start of the season.
So during dry off we were all season right and
we can start preparing ourselves for the season ahead. Another
dairy farmer, Cam Briscoe, he's farm fit. He's got some
tips along the physical side of things, so you can
(32:40):
physically train and then mentally train prepare yourself.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
For the worst.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Hey, you've been great chatting to you, Hayes Garland. I
hope the season or the rest of the season on
the hierarchy planes you're a contract milker. There goes well
for you. Thanks for sharing your story as our final
farm Strong farmer for twenty twenty five and people can
read all about it on the farm Strong website. Thanks
for you sign appreciate it mate, Thank you He's there.
(33:09):
Elsie correspondent Chris Russell, based out of Sydney. Chris, the
live cattle trade could run out of ships. This is
a bigger threat to the industry than green politics.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Yeah, well, I think this is what we've been worried about.
The Albanese government particularly in doing more damage to the
live cattle trade. Remember they had that big ban in
twenty twelve which has there been subject of a massive
court case.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
And there is.
Speaker 8 (33:35):
Constant pressure on live cattle, and yet that is the
lifeblood for those northern cattle. First of all, they're all
boss Indicus cattle because that's what they want in Indonesia
and these places. And secondly, you know their alternative is
to ship them all down to narrow Court and Wangoradda
and over to Delby to sell, which is thousands of
kilometers and of course a that would flood those markets
(33:57):
and it's a lot of money being spent on for that.
But they're saying that the threat is not so much
about the politics of it, but it's about the fact
that we just no more ships being made for cutting
these animals. It's about fifty million dollars a copy to
make a live cattle ship. There are none currently being built.
There a number of them have now gone out of business,
(34:17):
so actually finding ships to cut these cattle up to
Indonesia is getting increasingly difficult. The other problem is the
increasing amount of welfare infrastructure that's having to be sent.
They all have to have now bets that travel with them,
and the restrictions on which Avatise can do the slaughtering.
And someone means that some people saying this is getting
too hard. So could well be the demise of that
(34:40):
industry comes about because of infrastructure costs and over bureaucratic
demands rather than the pure green politics Chaman.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
A five to ten percent recovery in the US be
heard would pose a big problem for Australia and no
doubt for New Zealand. But is it likely Chris Russell,
that we'll see that recovery anytime soon in the US
be food?
Speaker 8 (35:05):
Well, according to the rabobank over here, they say that
it's certainly not going to be happening, probably in the
next twelve months, so that's not a big issue. But
the United States beef's deficit still stands at over a
million tons of what they need and that's going to
really set us up for next year. But we should
(35:27):
start thinking about what happens when all those days are
over to five to ten percent increase in the beef heod.
Remember they're at nineteen fifty nine levels at the moment,
so historic lows. But you know when that does happen,
where are we going to sell all those stock? We built,
all this infrastructure. We have one and a half million
animals on feed now, all being raised, and there's no
(35:50):
doubt one day we're going to have to actually face
that in the future. And I think that's the question
we all need to think about. It's just getting rid
of the volume is never a problem, But the problem
is how are we going to get the same sort
of money we're getting for it at the moment, because
the Americans will take anything we can make over there
to subsidize their increasing demand for hamburgers. I believe that
(36:16):
last year Australian cattle made was involved in making up
about six million hamburgers in the US.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
It's a lot of hamburgers, Okay, Chris, got to go,
Thanks for your time. We'll catch you for the last
time in twenty twenty five next week and you can
tell us who you're Ossie Egg Person.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Of the Year is no worries.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Thanks Chris, and we'll be naming our egg person of
the Year Friday week on The Country. Catch you back tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
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Speaker 2 (01:01):
Good afternoon, New Zealand, Jamie McKay, Welcome to the Country,
brought to you by Brent On. A bit of a
sad day for me tomorrow night. I'm running a boomer's
disco for my Wednesday afternoon golfing group, the Waglers, great
bunch of blokes. Yesterday we lost our president, Eric Olsen,
(01:22):
champion of a bloke eighty years of age going on eighteen.
Rest in peace. Eric. You'll miss the disco tomorrow night.
Might be a blessing. You might not like the music.
Another eighty year old was going to be kicking off
the show for us, but I can't get him on
the blower that is Winston Peters. We will try and
track him down between now and the end of the hour.
(01:46):
At eighty years of age, how many more elections has
Winston got on him?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Literally, he died with his boots on in Parliament and
I mean that in the most respectful manner. Anyhow, We'll
kick it off with Emma Higgins. Rabobank has just released
its Q four Global Dairy Quarterly Report. And here's the
question that comes out of the report, is nine dollars
(02:14):
now on the cards for this season. Kate Ackland is
the chair of Beef and Lamb New Zealand. Yesterday we
got news of the national lamb crop up a couple
hundred thousand lambs. We do or the sheep industry does
remarkably well in this country, lots of production out of
far less use than we used to have in the
nineteen eighties. So we're going to talk about those and
(02:37):
the prospects for lamb over the next couple of years.
Also on the show today a final farmstrong farmer for
twenty twenty five. His name is Hayes Garland. He's a
contract milking on the Hiraki planes. And our Rossie correspondent
is Chris Russell, So hopefully I can find Winston between
now and the end of the hour. But up next
(02:59):
to Emma Higgins, affectionately here on the country, I call
(03:23):
her the Christmas Grinch. She bites back about that one.
But she is also a RABO Research Senior agg analyst.
Her name is Emma Higgins and she is authored the
Q four Global Quarterly Dairy report, And Emma, I want
to start with the sentence that caught my eye, and
this is from you, your words. There is an elevated
(03:44):
risk that farmgate milk price moves lower across the course
of the season, which could mean that the final season
payout lands around the nine dollars per kilogram of solid smark.
That is Christmas scrinch sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Emma, good up the known good afternoon, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Just the season.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Look, I promise I'm not stealing Christmas or trying to
like the Grinch, but I am just trying to make
sure that farmers aren't blindsided by what could be coming
down the pipeline. So perhaps think of me as the
Grinch who brings a reality check so that farmers can
plan and prepare accordingly.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
The story about the milk is all about supply. As
I had said often in recent weeks, the tap has
literally been turned on right around the world and here
in New Zealand, there's just too much supply for the
demand out there at the moment.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Yeah, absolutely too much milk, not enough demand. That's the
story globally, and we're certainly seeing it locally as well.
With eighth gdt's moving lower. On the trot and look
New Zealand farmers are producing record volumes as well. It
is very bittersweet, right, because commodity priceures and commodity prices
themselves that are obviously under pressure due to extra supply,
(05:00):
and globally that's the story too. So we think that
the peak of global milk supply from the Big Seven
or what we like to call the Big Seven. These
guys are responsible for around eighty percent of global trade.
We think that peak has passed, and that passed in
quarter three, but quarter four is likely to end up
at a very similar level. The good news is that,
(05:21):
you know, twenty twenty six should see some balancing come
into play around milk supply, but it will take probably
until the second half of twenty six for this to emerge.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
We think, so, was ten dollars just a fleeting moment.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Well, it's appearing that way, just given that we've moved
from Fonterra forecasting ten dollars down to nine dollars fifty
for the twenty five to twenty sixth season. I think
the reality is that what's changed is that we knew
global milk supply was increasing, right. Farmers in New Zealand.
We're making more money, so we and certainly my view
(05:58):
was that we were going to see stronger milk production.
I think what is shot to the market is the
volume coming out of the northern hemisphere, and it's coming
from two places. One is the United States. Now, again
we did see this coming to the extent that margins
were quite positive. But what's been really strong out of
the United States is obviously the dairy beef calf income,
(06:20):
so that's helping to prop up margins now in the
face of weaker milk prices. The real surprise factor has
come out of the EU. And what's happened there is
that established or or had a second flush come through
and that's the result of the blue tongue virus that
we've talked about on previous shows, Jamie that had an
impact on carving patterns last year, and so this year
(06:43):
we've seen just a change in terms of the milk
supply coming out of the EU. Market's been caught a
little bit on the hop with all of this together,
and we've got too much milk for market.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Okay, final question for you, if you're a dairy farmer
listening to this and you're updating your budget as we speak.
What number would you plug in there? Would you plug
a nine dollars splat?
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Well, I think we need to be realistic. You know,
we do have a situation where it does take a
while for those supply taps as you talked about, to
be switched off.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Now.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Typically if we think about the northern hemisphere, it can
take up to six months of negative margins to start
seeing those slaughter rates really emerge and changes to the
supply scenario. So I think we do need to be realistic. Hey,
if we get above nine dollars, that's fabulous, but you know,
moving into Christmas and thinking about the year ahead in
(07:35):
twenty twenty six, maybe it might be a little bit
prudent to think about alignment. Press.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Emma Higgins from Rabobank, thanks for your time, Thanks for
your contribution throughout twenty twenty five. Always love chatting to you.
And you know I'm only joking about the Grinch bit.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Right, absolutely, no, I appreciate the banter we have.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Thank you, Emma, and of course love Rabi Bank here
on the country, great supporters of ours and they've got
our final prize for the countdown to Christmas. We're going
to tell you a bit about that when Michelle, when
Michelle wanders in here at the bottom of the hour,
because we've got one thousand dollars cash not to give
to you, but to give away to the charity of
your choice. Please don't enter now. We'll give you all
(08:15):
the information at about twelve thirty. And also we're going
to tell you who won CBS the CBS co Op
Prize from Yes Today, Thank you CBS co Op. Great company,
that one will co Op. So we've got one thousand
dollars Bunnings gift card to give away and we'll announce
(08:36):
the wonder for that one. If you're wondering what's happening
in the cricket, let me just see where what In
New Zealand they're eighty four for one? Are they trailed
by one hundred and twenty one? Tom Latham is out
and I just got a text in from Winston. He's
on the road. He's up next, Winston Peters for the
final time on the country in twenty twenty five. Up next,
(08:58):
as we remember, Eric, welcome back to the country. Well,
(09:27):
I finally got a hold of him. Kept going to
voice smail, but we always get our man here on
the country Winston Peter's former Deputy Prime Minister, Foreign Affairs
Minister Winston I want to start with we talked about
survive to twenty five. Where did we go wrong? Why
(09:48):
has this ship been so tough?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Realities was that it was a misunderstanding of the state
and the very bad set of the economy in twenty
twenty three of the consequence the urgency and changing it
was not what it should have been. That's very very clear.
But it's started to turn around now. But as I
say it fully turning around a year too late or
(10:11):
a year later than it should be happening.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So is that a criticism of your coalition partners.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
No, Look, all the economists got it wrong, Treasure got
it wrong, and the mainstream media got it massively wrong.
And here we are. They'll they'll never enn up to it,
of course, because they'll never acknowledge the fact that somebody
was saying back in twenty twenty three, after the fifteenth
of March the first quarter measurements came out just how
bad things were. But a despicable situation. We're instanct moment.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
So nobody can rely on the mainstream media?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Okay, what is the fix for twenty six? What are
you going to do about it?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Well, at three twenty six, you've got to get out
there and make sure we narrow some of our targets,
make sure the big things that are required to be
changed do change and as fast as possible.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Your old mate Jim Bolger said, bug. Of the poles,
you no doubt will echo whose thoughts. We've had two
poles out this week. One suggests a reasonable lead for
the current coalition. Another one sort of said hung parliament. Otherwise,
poles don't matter a jot really do they are? What
nine ten eleven months out from an election?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Well, in every leading democracy in Australia, other UK, the
United States, the poles have a certain parody or they're
very very close in usum, huge differences in the poles
and that's why the poles are rubbish.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
The RAMA reforms announced this week have been described as
the single largest economic reform and a generation. Do you
go along with that? Because you were there when the
RAMA came in.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I know actually, if you recall very distinctly, I was
in there saying that NASA buddy had got it all wrong.
In nine ninety one, a as a result that expelled
from the party. You remember that I do well.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
There's been a few expulsions over the years, so I
just one particular one. Once you've been kicked for touch
a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
No that no, no, mate. The difference is that I
do out there and I got a new I resigned
from powerment and got a new mandate, not like the
rest of them. Excuse me, don't try and put me
in the same bush as them. But back in nine
ninety one I was saying this is the wrong pathway
to go down and takes you a long time to
get a recognition, sometimes never. But as the facts, the
Layer Party drafts of the IRMA prior to the nine
(12:33):
nine elections, the National Party adopted it.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, okay, so you're totally happy with what Chris Bishop
and his team have come up with.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Well, lastly, see, so I am there is some tweaking
to be done, but are huge as I am. There's
a massive restraint and a tossed and the time waste
that's going on with planning in our country, and councils
have got far too much power. Certain bureaucras they've got
a massive power within those councils and no one's got
(13:03):
them under control. And so yes, we do support these
changes in the main.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Todd McLay as a Minister of Trade and you as
a Minister of Foreign Affairs, and I know the likes
of Judith Collins. Even we're doing some good work offshore.
How close do you reckon anyr harder hearts we are
to that FTA with India.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Well, that's not my timetable, but the Prime Minister promised
that in the first term of the government, and so
we've got a year ago, well not a year eleven
months ago on that. So the timeline I can't tell you,
but that's the time frame we're in.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Okay, so we're going to get one before the end
of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Oh look, you have turned the wrong minister here. I'm
not the Minister for Trade. I've done my best there.
I go to back up the Minister of Trade and
interact in with my colleagues. But that's for him to answer.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Talking about twenty twenty six in the election, what's happened
to Stuart.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Nash, Well, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I mean, is he still a New Zealand first candidate
or a potential candidate?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
But it never was an ez Ial first candidate.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Or you were singing as praise as at the annual conference.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
No look, for goodness sake, you're an experienced journalist. Words matter.
What did I say at the national comments in New
Zealand first that I think being a candidate. The answer
is nothing. So why are you now impusing that somehow
I did say something about it.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Well, go, I'll go back and I'll go back and
check my record's apologies if I got it wrong, but
I thought you were kind of endorsing in Winstone.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You know that you've got it wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Sheez Us journalists say, yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
You can know if I mentioned you should know this
very very clearly in your mind. If I'd have said
it did, the facts will be there that I can
tell you. I said no such thing. I just welcomed
him to the mimic.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Of the Okay, so he's not a candidate in the
election next year.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
For the young tieenth time. No one becomes a candidate
until I've been through the process and not on them.
Though I'm not in charge of that part of the
party's organization. That has not happened now at this point
in time, this is.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Our final chat for twenty twenty five and I always
enjoy a bit of banter with you, and you do
buy it nicely, and you always give back more than
you get. I've lost a great friend of mine yesterday,
an old golfing buddy eighty years of age, Eric Colson,
same age as you. In fact, he's a wee bit
younger than you. He's just turned eighty. I mean, you
(15:39):
have a remarkable constitution for a man your age, and
you show so show no signs of swowing down.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Oh, for goodness, say you know that's allows that. I've
got a great former press officers all people's home now.
But he came out of rural up north on the
seat of the Northland, worked at the post office and
went from there to be a soldier in Malaya and
then on to being a serious media specialist in New Zealand.
(16:13):
And you had some great advice than me. That's a
long ago, said Winston, going at your age, it's the
beast advice I can give you.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Well, Winston Peters, thank you for being a regular on
the Country. Do appreciate your time You've been on the show.
You realize since about the early two thousands you're one
of my longest standing correspondents. I wonder how many how
many more years the peir of us have got left
in this gick.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Oh well, see now again you have common sense and
logic on your program, and thank you for having me on.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
All right.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
In the meantime, you and your listeners have a great
Christmas and they are much better new Year.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, and merry Christmas to you and your family. We're
sending you a box and the Kaiser because you've been
a good supporter of the show and enjoy it. Okay,
there we go Winston for the final time and twenty
twenty five. Let me have a look at the cricket
ninety one for one? Are we trailed by one hundred
and fourteen at the basin reserve? Ninety three for one?
(17:13):
Now it's run a couple of quick runs there. Tom
Latham is the only one out. Conways forty eight not
out and I've lost the screen. I'll come back to
that one. We'll update that one in Sports News for you.
Michelle's going to be in here shortly. We're going to
tell you all about today's prize, and it's our final
(17:34):
prize in the countdown to Christmas. You've heard from Emma
Higgins from Rabobank. Rabobank, like Winston, the great supporters of
the show. We really do appreciate it. And this is
my favorite countdown to Christmas prize. It's one thousand dollars
and we'll tell you how you can nominate the charity
of your choice for that thousand dollars cash from Rabobank,
and we'll announce the winner from the CBS co Op
(17:55):
Prize yesterday, which was of course one thousand dollars Bunnings
gift card. But up next we go from dairy farming
a bit earlier in the show with Emma Higgins to
sheep farming and our national lambing percentage and the prospects
for lamb with Kate Ackland, Chair of Beef and Lamb
New Zealand. We tease this one on yesterday's show. The
(18:30):
national lamb crop, yes, we talked about it. Nineteen points
sixty six million head, a lift of one percent, nearly
two hundred thousand more lambs than last season, which is
a good result. Really, one hundred and thirty one percent
lambing across the nation. That's pretty good, up three point
seven percentage points on last year. And this is off
the back of less breeding use, so more lambs, more
(18:52):
meat from less used. To tell us more about it,
the chair of Beef and Lamb New Zealand Kate Ackland.
Than Kate, this is a pretty good result for the industry.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well, hi Janney, look, this is a great result, particularly
to see an increase off the back of quite a
significant decrease in new numbers. So you know, it just
speaks to the really strong productivity gains the sheep seator
has made over many many years.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Sheep numbers speaked in this country in the nineteen eighties
when Rob Muldoon had lots of subsidies on and then
Long and Douglas came along and took them all often
that was the beginning, at the beginning, should I say
of the decline of sheep numbers, But Kate Ackland, the productivity,
the lamb productivity per you if you want meat productivity
story is amazing because I think with something like only
(19:37):
ten or twelve percent down on the total kilogram of
lamb meat produced, even though the U numbers have more
than halved.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Absolutely, and these games are all around farmer's investing in
good genetics and looking after they're used that are breeding, feeding,
used ISAs. So you know, it's a really good news story,
and I don't think we talk enough about the games
that the sheep sector has made. You know, we could
argue we are the most productive sector in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
With the prospects. Should I say we've spoken to Emma
Higgins of a nine dollars milk price. Gee, we might
see some sheep farm conversions I say half in jest.
But sheep and beef is certainly looking more positive at
the moment and the short term admittedly than dairy.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Look, it absolutely is a really positive story, but we
are still seeing pressure on both U numbers. So even
though we've had a really good news story about the
lamb crop being up, we think there'll still be a
reduction in new numbers this season. We'll know a bit
more as the year goes on, but there's still the
pressure from forestry and the hills, and actually there's a
bit of pressure on some of the dairy conversions happening
(20:44):
where lamb finishing previously would have happened. So, you know,
there's still a lot of pressure on the sheep sector.
But you know, on the whole, we're accepting still a
relatively tight supply high prices. Globally, there's a shortage of
sheep meats. Are looking good for sheep farmers.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Well Globally, milk production has come up to meet the
increased price. Are we likely to see that? I mean,
for instance, Australia, are they going to rebuild their herd
or their flock? Get it right?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
We're looking at a five point eight percent reduction in
OSSI export land, So New Zealand and Australia are out
of the game in town. When it comes to land exports,
we account for about eighty percent of the world's export lamb,
So Australia is well done. New Zealand is holding steady,
so you know that spells good news for farmers.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Kate Ackland share of beef and lamb New Zealand with
us along with your husband David. You farm at Mount
Summers Station in mid Canterbury. How's the season treating you?
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Look, we're hanging in there, actually getting just enough rain.
Nice to have the wind finally stop and not much
to complain about this yere.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Well, that's a nice story heading into Christmas. This is
the final time you and I will chat for twenty
twenty five. Thanks for always being readily available and good
luck to you and the team at Beef and Lamb
New Zealand for a prosperous new farming year.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Heavy great Christmas, Jamie, thank you, I will thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Kate. Devin Conway has his half century at the Base
and Reserve. Let me just update that we're trailing by
one hundred and nine runs now ninety six for one
in response to the Windy's all out yesterday for two
hundred and five. Okay, take a break on the other
(22:38):
side of it. Some of your feedback on Winston and
Michelle's going to be in here and we're going to
talk about the Rabobank one thousand dollars to the charity
of your choice. Anyone who's entered so far, you're just
being greedy nominating yourself. You can't do that. You've got
to give the cash to someone else. And we'll tell
you who won the thousand dollars Bunnings gift card yesterday
(23:00):
from the CBS co Op. It's all on the country
before the end of the hour, including our farm Strong,
our final farm strong farmer for the year. Where's he gone?
Hayes Garland on the Hiraki planes, Chris Russell's Rosie correspondent
(23:30):
twenty two away from one. Michelle, what good afternoon. It's
our Chris. I'm missing our Christmas party tomorrow, the staff
one because I had already committed to running the Boomers Disco,
which has got extra meaning now that Eric's no longer
with us. So you'll have to drink, you'll have to
eat my share. I'll get told off again.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Yeah, I'll try my best.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
James, good on you. Okay, let's have a look at
Rural News and then we'll get into the final countdown
to Christmas Prize.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
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Speaker 2 (24:08):
Stockerst Actually, just before I do a Michelle, here's an
interesting text that's coming. Isn't it great to be talking
positively about sheep and beef with the eleven dollar lamb
and cautiously about the dairy sector with a nine dollar payout,
and that there has been a huge turnaround in fortunes
of those industries. I guess in the past few years,
(24:28):
but I see in the past couple of seasons. Should
I say, but I see Myles Hurreles come out on
business desk and said, look, you know we're going down
a bit, but the global demand for dairy and the
long mid to long term is still very good. So
don't panic. Don't panic right out. What have you got
on Rural news and Rural News?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
First up, I've got Zprey. So thisbrey has announced its
plans to extend it's Ruby Read, which I'm excited about
because it's one of my favorites the Kiwi fruit season.
New variety is going to be called Read eighty and
the move follow strong growth this year, with more than
three million trays of Ruby red sold across key markets
including New Zealand, Asia and the USA. CEO Jason Debrak
(25:08):
says Red eighty will harvest later and still longer than
the current Red nineteen variety, which helps keep the vibrant
fruit on shelves for more weeks, and he sees the
decision reflects Esprey's commitment to innovation and delivering value for growers.
The commercial planting of Red eighty begins in twenty twenty
six was four volumes expect in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
So that is Royal news. Just hang in there. Let's
just update the cracker sport on.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
The country with AFCO one hundred percent key we owned
and trusted.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
That's rare.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So New Zealand are ninety eight for one. Conway has
his half century time. Lathan's out. We trail the Windys
by one hundred and seven runs. Okay, Michelle yesterday and
this was a great prize from the CBS co Op.
If you don't know what they do, they give rural
(26:00):
operators the same buying strength usually reserved for big agricultural
and construction groups. So good on you, CBS co Op.
And they had a thousand dollars Bunning's gift card to
give away on the countdown to Christmas. Who's the lucky
winner because I know you got inundated.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
A yeah he did.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
It was one of the biggest ones. So congratulations to
Bill Davidson from Palmerston North. You have got yourself that
thousand dollars gift card from Bunning thanks to CBS and.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
You're living the dream and Parmi North, which I often
call the farming capital of the country. Now our final
countdown to Christmas and anyone's who's entered up until now
and I'm watching you I'm keeping an eye on the
text machine. You are dcut because you took off for
the run too early and I've stumped you. Okay, so
our final countdown to Christmas price. I have paper coming
(26:48):
out my backside here on the country is from our
good friends at Rabobank. They bring you, obviously the best
of the country each Saturday. They're also New Zealand's only
specialist food and agribank, dedicated to helping agribusiness grow and
they do great reports like the one Emma Higgins has
just written about the Court of the Globe, or the
(27:10):
Q four Global Dairy Quarterly Report which suggests the payout
might be nine dollars, which I guess you're better to
be cautious, as all good budgets should. So we've got
one thousand dollars to give away, but not to you,
but Michelle, to the charity of your choice. If you
had to give to a charity, what would you give?
Speaker 6 (27:29):
I actually calf scheme all the way.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah me too, that's my one there. I actually carf
and rural scheme. So if you enter that now I'm
just joking. You just send in your charity of choice.
So what you need to do and thank you so much. Rabobank.
You need to text win and your name. It doesn't
matter where you're from because you ain't getting the prize,
So just text win and your name and the charity
(27:54):
you would like to receive that thousand dollars donation at
text number is five double O nine. Okay, So text
win and then your name and the charity you would
like the money to go to. There's so many good
ones out there. We've suggested the IHC CARF and Rural scheme,
but it's totally up to you. Five double O nine
(28:15):
is the text number. Up next, our final farm strong
farmer for twenty twenty five, Hayes Garland. He's milk and
cows on the Hieraky planes. So our final farm strong
(28:39):
farmer for twenty twenty five has a great story. His
name is Hayes Garland. He's a contract milker on the
Haillraky planes, three hundred and thirty cows on one hundred
and forty five hectares. But Hayes, you haven't always been
a cow cocky. Tell us a little bit about your
farm and your background. Good afternoon you.
Speaker 7 (28:59):
Good afternoon mate, A good one. I appreciate you calling out,
reaching out. I was not a dairy farmer until my
early thirties, and I was originally an industry of the
hospitality right, and I was doing a little bit of
work relief, milking and whatnot for a family friend, and
(29:22):
I kind of didn't look back from there.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
When I read your story online and it's on the
Farmstrong website, one thing stuck out to me. And this
was because I'm a big, big Rugby fan, no doubt
you are as well. You went along with two hundred
other Cockies to the Battle of the Bays. I e
Bay have Plenty versus Hawks Bay in Tauranga Bay of
Plenty Steamers on my second side behind the Southland Stags.
(29:47):
Tell us how that came about and what it meant
for you, because as I understand it, this game was
right in the middle of carving.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
Yeah, it was made. It was at a pinnacle time
of most dairy farmers were in a heap of it.
Our physical and our mental state would be on high alert,
so to speak. So it came at one of those
really difficult times. But hey, this trip for myself personally,
(30:17):
it was a godsend. I needed to get off farm
or I needed to give my mental my brain an
excuse to get off farm right and farm strong, and
FMG reached out and I was didn't hesitate.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I was on board.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Good on you. I love some of the quotes in
your story. I run the farm, the farm doesn't run me,
and as a former farmer, it's easy for me from
the outside looking in. Sometimes farmers get way too insular,
and even if they go to the pub on a
Friday night, they're boring someone about their lambing percentage or
something like that. You need to get your mindset out
(30:57):
of farming twenty four to seven. One needs to switch off.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Yeah, you're right, mate, You're definitely right. It's something that's
been in the farming in an egg industry for a long,
long long time, and I think the the responsibilities and
the spectations of the industry caused us to have the
(31:23):
mentality of that we had to be on farm twenty
four to seven.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Another quote of yours. I used to be a chronic
overthinker and suffered from anxiety. Have you put that behind
your hayes?
Speaker 7 (31:37):
To be honest, mate, I'm not gonna lie. It's a
work in progress. I am not as bad I have
in the last few years. I've inherited a lot of
good tools from good people and good advice from other companies,
and I'm more well equipped to deal with it, if
(31:59):
that makes sense made. So that's where preparation comes in.
Board Right Sporting they do preparations via training. Dairy farming,
it's the same thing. You've got to prepare yourself mentally
to go in into those challenges. And when's the best
(32:19):
time to do it At the start of the season.
So during dry off we were all season right and
we can start preparing ourselves for the season ahead. Another
dairy farmer, Cam Briscoe, he's farm fit. He's got some
tips along the physical side of things, so you can
(32:40):
physically train and then mentally train prepare yourself.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
For the worst.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Hey, you've been great chatting to you, Hayes Garland. I
hope the season or the rest of the season on
the hierarchy planes you're a contract milker. There goes well
for you. Thanks for sharing your story as our final
farm Strong farmer for twenty twenty five and people can
read all about it on the farm Strong website. Thanks
for you sign appreciate it mate, Thank you He's there.
(33:09):
Elsie correspondent Chris Russell, based out of Sydney. Chris, the
live cattle trade could run out of ships. This is
a bigger threat to the industry than green politics.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Yeah, well, I think this is what we've been worried about.
The Albanese government particularly in doing more damage to the
live cattle trade. Remember they had that big ban in
twenty twelve which has there been subject of a massive
court case.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
And there is.
Speaker 8 (33:35):
Constant pressure on live cattle, and yet that is the
lifeblood for those northern cattle. First of all, they're all
boss Indicus cattle because that's what they want in Indonesia
and these places. And secondly, you know their alternative is
to ship them all down to narrow Court and Wangoradda
and over to Delby to sell, which is thousands of
kilometers and of course a that would flood those markets
(33:57):
and it's a lot of money being spent on for that.
But they're saying that the threat is not so much
about the politics of it, but it's about the fact
that we just no more ships being made for cutting
these animals. It's about fifty million dollars a copy to
make a live cattle ship. There are none currently being built.
There a number of them have now gone out of business,
(34:17):
so actually finding ships to cut these cattle up to
Indonesia is getting increasingly difficult. The other problem is the
increasing amount of welfare infrastructure that's having to be sent.
They all have to have now bets that travel with them,
and the restrictions on which Avatise can do the slaughtering.
And someone means that some people saying this is getting
too hard. So could well be the demise of that
(34:40):
industry comes about because of infrastructure costs and over bureaucratic
demands rather than the pure green politics Chaman.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
A five to ten percent recovery in the US be
heard would pose a big problem for Australia and no
doubt for New Zealand. But is it likely Chris Russell,
that we'll see that recovery anytime soon in the US
be food?
Speaker 8 (35:05):
Well, according to the rabobank over here, they say that
it's certainly not going to be happening, probably in the
next twelve months, so that's not a big issue. But
the United States beef's deficit still stands at over a
million tons of what they need and that's going to
really set us up for next year. But we should
(35:27):
start thinking about what happens when all those days are
over to five to ten percent increase in the beef heod.
Remember they're at nineteen fifty nine levels at the moment,
so historic lows. But you know when that does happen,
where are we going to sell all those stock? We built,
all this infrastructure. We have one and a half million
animals on feed now, all being raised, and there's no
(35:50):
doubt one day we're going to have to actually face
that in the future. And I think that's the question
we all need to think about. It's just getting rid
of the volume is never a problem, But the problem
is how are we going to get the same sort
of money we're getting for it at the moment, because
the Americans will take anything we can make over there
to subsidize their increasing demand for hamburgers. I believe that
(36:16):
last year Australian cattle made was involved in making up
about six million hamburgers in the US.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
It's a lot of hamburgers, Okay, Chris, got to go,
Thanks for your time. We'll catch you for the last
time in twenty twenty five next week and you can
tell us who you're Ossie Egg Person.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Of the Year is no worries.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Thanks Chris, and we'll be naming our egg person of
the Year Friday week on The Country. Catch you back tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
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