December 19, 2025 • 40 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Ray Smith, Nadia Lim and Carlos Bagrie, Miles Hurrell, Jane Smith, and Christopher Luxon.
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Christmases all around as good ay and good morning New Zealand.
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the Best of the Country is actually brought to you
by Rabobank. We're growing a better New Zealand together wonderful
supporters of us during twenty twenty five. We are going
to kick off the show today with Ray Smith, the
Director General of MPI. They came out this week with
their Situation and Outlook for Primary Industries report. Here we farmers,
(01:07):
growers and primary producers are driving New Zealand's economy, with
food and fiber exports set to reach a record sixty
two billion for the year ended June thirty, twenty twenty six.
The sector now accounts for eighty three percent of all
of our export goods. Also on the show this week,
(01:27):
we caught up with I call them the Power Farming Couple,
celebrity farming couple Nadia Lim and Carlos Baggery discussing Nadia's
Farm Kitchen, the best selling book for twenty twenty five
and Carlos's Nuffield Scholarship thesis. Been a very busy twenty
twenty five for New Zealand's power farming glamour couple. Miles Hurrell,
(01:50):
Fonterra's chief executive, was on the show on Wednesday after
yet another very disappointing global dairy trade auction down four
point four percent, whole milk powder down five point seven percent.
The writing was on the wall. That was on Wednesday.
When he was on the show. The next day, Fonterra
dropped the midpoint of the milk price to nine dollars.
(02:11):
Will it end up starting with an eight? I hope not.
Jane Smith North Otago Farmer Award winning environmentalist and Prime
Minister Chris Luckson Christopher Luxeon to be correct correct two
rap the week. He actually was really good in the
end of Ye's speeches in Parliament. A lot of them
were funny. Winston was on fire, Chippy had some good
(02:33):
one liners, but I think The best speech from the
leaders came from Christopher Luxon. We will wrap the best
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Speaker 4 (03:08):
It is a day for acronyms today on the country
as we kick off the show very shortly, in fact,
at one pm, we will have HIIFU, which is the
half yearly economic financial update. Earlier this morning we had
soapy from MPI the situation and outlook for primary industries.
The Director General of MPI is Ray Smith and Ray,
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you keep smashing it out of the park in the
primary sector.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Well done, well, what a fabulous result to a forecast
to close the year out three percent growth forecast on
top of thirteen percent last year for the primary sector
and they will drive us up to sixty two billion
dollars and export innings and we expect that to continue,
driven largely Jamie Boy by volume lifts for dairy, horticulture
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and forestry and increases the course for our important red
meat sector. And what a tremendous year they have here.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Well, red meat's been the star of the stable. Now
let's just go through some of these numbers. We'll start
with the biggest one, dairy export revenue lifting one percent
to twenty seven point four billion. That's a hell of
a lot of money. But as we know, the price
globally of milk is going down. So is that going
to put a dampner on your predictions for next year?
Speaker 7 (04:28):
No?
Speaker 6 (04:30):
I mean you've got to remember that dairy prices have
been sort of exsollute record levels. I mean, if you're
paying out milk prices in around a ten dollar mark,
I mean that's phenomenally high. So anything in that nine
dollar range is a tremendous price payer on dairy And
just think about it like this. We've had record milk
solid production in the June to September period. It's up
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about three point eight percent on last year. And you know,
part of that has been, you know, farmers having the
confidence to bring in more feeds, So there's been a
lot of sublimetriy fee to lift production. While prices are good,
and we know that past your growth out through through
the summer period is likely to be good with these
ang Nia weather patterns affecting the North Island. So look,
Newdelle is going to continue to produce well, we'll probably
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produce more milk solid than we've ever produced per car
and there's a real demand for protein. So yes, it's
come off. It's very very high peaks, but stabilizing.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
It's still a good news story meat and Wallox sports.
Let's be honest here, it's mainly meet lifting seven percent,
as we said, Star of the Stable to thirteen point
two billion dollars. Do you know what one of the
standout numbers for me was Ray Smith direct The general
of MPI. Horticulture are clear third now lifting five percent
to nine point two billion. Now, it wasn't that long
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ago that horticulture and forestry were neck and.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Neck, absolutely, and now holder culture is chasing that red
meat sector, isn't it? And apples and pairs over one
point two billion is at December.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
Kivy fruit nine percent growth.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
I mean, kiv fruit story is just phenomenal. In fact,
if you look back over the decades, Kiwi fruit sort
of never materialized until in the last couple of decades,
and you know, I think they've doubled the volume of
trays of red kivy fruit this year, which is very
popular in the Asian markets. And of course the orchid returns,
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uti gate returns for for ujidice are just just at
phenomenally high levels, So avocados will go down a little bit.
But cherries, we're expecting a really good return on cherries
this year because it plays into a slightly later Chinese
New Year, just in time for our harvest.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Forestry export revenue has lifted just two percent to six
point three billion, still very very important, their fourth biggest
export sector, but it would be fair to say it's
had its challenges in the past two or three years.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Yeah, and there's been quite a bit of consolidation, hasn't
there in some closed downs as well in the in
the forestry sector.
Speaker 8 (06:59):
But look, we're still, you know, the biggest.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Supplier of logs into the China market. We have a
big market share, and sorn timber prices are very good
out of the United States, even across the top of
those tariffs that were imposed, So the margins on sort
of our clearwood products that go into the United States
and into Australia are good. So look, I think we'll
see that forestratedy to slowly pull its way back through.
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And of course construction demand has been low, which is
also suppressed that the value of our product.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Another couple of numbers to throw out there from me,
These I've cherry picked these, no pun intended. There are
Ray Smith, one and every seven people work in food
and fiber. And food and fiber now is responsible for
eighty three percent of our export goods earnings. Absolutely fantastic.
Now I can't let you go on the show this week,
(07:49):
Ray Smith, without asking you without any preparation at all. Again,
if to think on your feet here, and I know
you do that for a living. Who is your twenty
twenty five AG person.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
Of the Year, Well, Jamie, that gosh, every farmer in
New Zealand yet up for that price in my estimation.
But if I was picking a few key people, I'd
say you can't go past the chief exector of Frontia,
Miles har Or what an outstanding job he has done
and the time he's been in that job in a
big turnaround this year. But can I also mention a
(08:19):
couple of other people I think phenomenal Pete Connolly, who
is chief Executive ENSCO and Zealand. They have you'll know
that we've just come out of this in bogus thing
where we've declared that we're on the home streets and
we're almost.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
Free of this.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Well that big feed lord at ENSCO, all the controls
have come off that they've been tremendous in supporting the
program and making sure that we got information out of
the beef sector. We just wanted to want to thank
them for that and what they've done for that whole
beef sector and doing that and of course it can't
go past my trail blazing, globe trotting Minister Tom McLay
(08:53):
who's he's been out of the country more than he's
been in it trying to do his best to get
a trade deal for New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yep, Smith, thank you very much for your time throughout
twenty twenty five and well done to you guys at MPI.
I think we're going to very shortly officially kick m
Bovis for touch for good. Have a great break. We'll
catch you back next year.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Thanks, thanks Jamie.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
Having great Christmas.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
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Speaker 4 (09:24):
We're counting down to Christmas here on the country, and
I reckon and many Christmas stockings could be a book
by one of our two next guests. Her name is
Nadia Lyman. Of course, the book is Nardia's Farm Kitchen. Nadia.
We're going to talk to Carlos Bagri in a minute.
But your book is number one on the nonfiction best
sellers list. You even headed off Jacinda a different kind
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of power.
Speaker 9 (09:49):
Oh, thank you, Jamie. Do you know I had only
heard rumors of that, so you have actually confirmed what
I've heard, So you knew the news before me. But yeah,
I was I'm kind of told that, Yeah, that it
looks like the book was going to be number one
for this year, and great to hear that it actually is.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Well, when I say I know it's number one, I
read it in the listener like everyone else, So I'm
going to take the listener at their words. So you
are number one five.
Speaker 9 (10:15):
To the farmers. I'm not sure your books are on
the way because they posted them last week. Sorry I
was a bit let's post them, so you probably haven't
seen it yet, but the dedication is to our farmers
and food producers of New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Well they're not actually my books. I'm giving them out
to a couple of winners that were neglected to oh
this one for me. Well there's one Christmas present, so
of oh there's a box and Mackay's that coming your way.
Twenty twenty five for you guys, has been a bit
of a change around. Instead of Nadia's Farm, the TV
program became Nardia's Farm Kitchen. And I know, Carlos Baghri,
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you were heavily involved, obviously, especially at the early part
of the year in your Nuffield scholarship.
Speaker 10 (10:55):
Oh and what a journey that's been, you know, that
has been a I think it was a bit of
thirteen countries, been a part of four months abroad and
got back this this year and had to sit down
and this was harder than anticipated it to be writing
a twenty thirty thing. It was that twenty thousand word
paper on my findings and what I saw abroad.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I've got a really short attention span, Carlos, and I
tell Michelle, my producer, if it's more than an a
four page I'm not reading it. Do you have an
executive summary?
Speaker 10 (11:25):
I do, Yeah, there's there's there's a one to two
page tucked away on if you want to find it
will be on the Rural Leader's website and so you can. Yeah,
they're there to be not just mine, but that all
the other Nwfield scholars have both their execut summaries as
well as their full papers and all the references.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
So to just in thirty seconds or less, what was
the guts of your thesis?
Speaker 10 (11:46):
The guts of it really was looking at it from
a macroeconomics perspective and looking at the New Zealand economy
going okay, look we've got two main, two main businesses
that are generating our expert earnings, one being of course tourism,
the other one being primary production. So those are your two,
your two big ones, and we need to maintain and
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drive both those as hard as as well as we
possibly can into the future. Basically, what I come out
at the end of it was, hey, look we've got
two amazing industries that we need to continue to invest in.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
But what is the third leg to our economy?
Speaker 10 (12:20):
Like what is what like, what's the third leg to
our still.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
And what is the third leg.
Speaker 10 (12:24):
Wow, that's up for debate, all right. Yeah, So that
that's that's that's that. I mean, that's kind of the
crunch of it. What what what is it that we
can invest in the New Zealand and continue to drive
forwards worth and wow? Yeah, I mean there's all sorts
of things. You can look at Ireland with taxation and
you look at finance with like Switzerland and Singapore as well,
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like economies that are similar to ours, populations that are
similar to ours, and what has other what what has
other countries done that has worked?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I know, you too are an incredibly busy and I
call and you hate this, I know, but the celebrity
farming power couple of News AirLand, you lead very very
busy lives. So Nadia, what's up next for you in
twenty twenty six? Will there be another series of Nadia's
Farm Kitchen.
Speaker 9 (13:12):
Well, I'm not looking too far ahead right now because
I feel like I needed to take a little bit
of a break, you know, just maybe at least six
weeks or so over the Christmas summer holiday period, so
hopefully I won't be doing too much over that period
of time.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
But yeah, it.
Speaker 9 (13:28):
Looks like we've been commissioned for another series of Nadia's
Farm Kitchen that did really well. It was really popular
and the book that came up with it has been
has done really well too. So yeah, it sounds like
we'll be doing it next year. But you know, I
won't say definitely until we actually start rolling the camera,
but it has been commissioned.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah, Carlos Bagri, you're not renowned for sitting around twiddling
your thumbs or sitting on your thumbs. What's up for you?
What new adventures have you got on the farm?
Speaker 10 (13:57):
Well, a lot of it as you're off the farm
at the moment. On Fires is continuing driving a butchery
and erbatphire. We're scaling up her arable so we've got
oh a lot of crops in the ground this year,
more than we've ever done. But a lot of my
focus on over the next twelve months will be Swifty
Beer and of course in the mckibbons Restell stores. So
we we took over a retail store it's like a
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small small supermarket in Queensdown late last year. I've been
working away on that. So really, to be honest, we're
very lucky. We get to work in some very cool projects,
and those are a couple of them.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
How good is it having your own beer, Carlos.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
It's right.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
No Amerson's makes it's just got my name on it.
I didn't do anything about it. You do all the
work for yours.
Speaker 10 (14:46):
Well, that's probably my favorite. You turn up to a barbecue.
I've got my own land meet, I've got my own beer.
It's a it's a it's a great scenario.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
And you've got Nadia Lum on your arm. You're punching.
You're well, I'm truly punching Carlos here. That's a compliment.
That is all right you guys. Hey, look, thank you
very much for me always being available anytime I wring
you up. You say, sure, have a great remainder of
your twenty twenty five and Merry Christmas with your family.
(15:18):
Will catch you back next year. And I've sent you
a box of MacKaye's. Are no pressure, Carlos, but you
know reciprocation.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
It will.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Good on you. And thanks for the box, Nadia, see
you later, Thank.
Speaker 9 (15:30):
You, Jeremy. Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Love fingers.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Show Nadia Lum and Carlos Bagri Earlier in the week
on the Country, Good morning, my name's Jamie mckaie. This
is the Best of the Country. The show's brought to
you each and every Saturday morning, apart from the holiday
break of course, by Rabobank. We're growing a better New
Zealand together. On Wednesday show, I caught up with Miles Hurrell.
He was actually in Australia, fon Terra's chief executive and
(16:01):
he commented on another very disappointing GDT auction Tuesday evening
Wednesday morning, our time down four point four percent, whole
milk powder down five point seven percent, ninth drop in
a row. Will the payout begin with an eight? I
threw that at him the next day when he got
back to New Zealand. I think they move well. In fact,
(16:21):
I know they moved the midpoint of the milk price
from nine dollars fifty down to nine. Let's hope it
can stay starting with the nine. Miles Hurrell. Next on
the Country before the end of the hour, Jane Smith
and Christopher Luxen.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
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Rubboback, another man making his final appearance on the Country
for twenty twenty five is Fonterra chief executive Miles Hurrell,
a man who has been nominated several times for our
AG Person of the Year. I wonder who his nomination is.
We'll ask him a bit later, Miles. I want to
read from some commentary done by Mike McIntyre at Jarden.
(17:11):
He said, there's an old idiom that a falling knife
has no handle, and today down four point four percent,
signaling the ninth fall on the bounce. You would be
a brave person who would bet against the current run
exceeding the record of ten negative prints in a row.
And of course he's talking about the GDT auction. I'm
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going to start with this as grim as it is
heading into Christmas. Are we now looking at a payout
that may begin with an eight?
Speaker 11 (17:41):
Yeah, Jamie, Well, it's normally nice to talk to you
in the weekkend sort of leading up for Christmas. But
as you allude, this is not great news that we
start to see player in the international market. It's been
it's sort of been under way for a while, and
the amount of milk that's flowing out of the Northern
Hemisphere and in fact at home as well is certainly
not helping the supply side. Picture demands still not too bad,
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but the supply side is out there. So look, we
came out only a few weeks ago, dropped from a
ten dollars mid point down to a nine point fifty.
We're having a good look at that, and I'm likely
to have to come out sometime in the very near
future with it with another look. Of course, we do
always have a spread over that, so does the low
end of our spread start to look with an eight?
Speaker 8 (18:22):
You know?
Speaker 11 (18:22):
Who knows how that looks in the next few days,
But we'll certainly let let everyone know as.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
We get to get those numbers drawn up.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
And this is a stupid question, but have we any
idea when we might reach a floor?
Speaker 11 (18:34):
Well it well, it's not a stupid question, but it's
a question that no one really knows the answer to. Look,
you know, having spend a lot of my time in
my career in the international markets, you know, buyers in
the world their key targets are to try and beat
the market. So as the market falls, are also in
there waiting to see when it hits the floor and
then jump in before it sort of starts to go
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back up again. So I guess that's the challenge that
we're in at the moment. You know, how much inventry
to some these buyers have. It was interesting to see
the Chinese were strong buyers last night. Would suggest that
maybe they've got you know, that they've got some miventary
issues they're dealing with. But it's at the same time,
Southeast Asia, Middle East was a bit quiet. So yeah,
it is the million dollar question, really, Jammie, when will
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let the floor hit? But you know, we're not seeing
any slow down of milk as I say, Northern Hemisphere
and here in New Zealand. Despite seeing their message that
these milk prices have been unsustainable, I was still seeing
a lot more milk come through.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Do we need the weather god? I mean, this is
another stupid question. Do we need the weather gods to
help out here? And I know this sounds rather negative,
but if parts of the country dry out, it may
lower milk production which may help us reach that floor
a wee bit quicker. And just talking about the weather,
I know you've had some issues I think at your
Clandy Boy plant in South Canterbury, Mid Canterbury regarding milk collections.
Speaker 11 (19:55):
Yeah, look, look, you're a brave man to be talking
about things like drought and that with farmers because you know,
while it would likely have an impact on milk price
and it could be to the positive, you know, we
all know the pressures that puts on farmers.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
So it's a double edged sword, of course, So I
totally get that, but it would appair with the milk
production going at the way it is at the moment.
Miles or my words, not yours. Maybe the message isn't
getting to farmers that they might want to rearrange how
much they shunt into the cows.
Speaker 11 (20:24):
Yeah, well, well of course, and you know, as I say,
what will likely come out in the next couple of
days was an update and so that hopefully gives a
pretty clear message to farmers around where we see the
market for the sort of the short term and then
they start making some decisions around feed and those sort
of things.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
But you know, who knows what the weather will do
in the early part of the new year.
Speaker 11 (20:42):
As you say, it's been a bit dry up in
the north, a bit of storm in the south, and
we saw that last night. Yeah, there was an electoral
storm around mid Canterbury. Which which is as likely to
have an impact on sort of collections for the next
day or so, So we're sort of assessing that. So
that's not ideal as well. So I guess this is
a game that we're in, you know, the volatility that
exists in the market and with the things like weather.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You know, she's a tough ole game out there.
Speaker 11 (21:07):
And so my thoughts go out for our farmers as
we deal through this over the next to a few
weeks through the Christmas break.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Well, the good news I've had enough bad news. The
good news is the long term outlook for protein is
still great, so it's still a good business to be
and if you're a Fonterra farmer shared holder, you have
that two dollars capital repayment coming in the first half
of twenty twenty six. Radio. You have been nominated several
times AG Person of the Year. I think you were
a runner up to Todd McLay last year. Who's your
(21:34):
AG Person of the Year?
Speaker 11 (21:35):
Not allowed to name yourself, Miles, Thank thanks Shemmy, But
I'm going to give a call it actually to Andy
McFarland and and he's just stood down from our board
after eight years and has been a staunch supporter obviously
the co op model and what we do, but he
he's just been fantastic as a supporter of the business.
(21:56):
He's also still on the ends Cod board. He's part
of egg Research for for a number of years and
had a lot of workout Incoln University. But I went
to a couple of his farewells, one down an ash
Burton actually a few weeks ago, and then one we
head up here with the board last week and just what.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
A wonderful guy.
Speaker 11 (22:12):
What you know, knows the industries are so well as
passionate about New Zealand im passionate New Zealand eggs. So
I know my call that's to Andy, and I watched
him all the best for his sort of retirement from
Fontier at least, and I've had.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
The good pleasure of meeting Andy McFarlane. He's a good
bloke to boot Miles Harrell, thanks for always being available
at the drop of a hat quite literally here on
the country. We appreciate it talking to the top dog.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Good only thanks Jamie, have a good Christmas.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
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here on the Country, North Otago Farmer Award winning environmentalist
and Groundswell pin up Girl or is she? On Wednesday
she had ike here carbon farming and wind turbines fairly
(24:03):
and squarely in the sites, plus we get her ag
Person of the Year. It was a recurring theme with
all of our guests this week on the Country. We're
going to wrap it with the bloke who's running the country.
On Wednesday, the Prime Minister made his final appearance for
twenty twenty five as he pondered the acronym soapy ii
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as well. Her name is Jane Smith and.
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She is another one making her final appearance for twenty
twenty five. Her name is Jane Smith, north Otago farmer,
award winning environmentalist and I wrongly accused you in one
of my battles with Groundswell, Jane Smith, of being a
Groundswell pin up girl. An apologies to Groundswell because I
think they've done a good job in the past. But
I did take issue with their press release around the
(25:44):
RIMA reforms, calling them timid. I didn't agree with that,
So there you go. I've got that off my chest, Jane.
But this is about you, not about me. You've been
putting the boot into IKEA.
Speaker 13 (25:55):
Oh good afternon Jamie. Look that was just a little
distraction the other day, but it's a very important issue.
Speaker 14 (26:00):
You know.
Speaker 13 (26:00):
You look at carbon far I don't even want to
call it farming Jamie. You know, carbon factories around you know,
the pine trees empty station around the country. They are
I think twenty five thousand hectares now they're clocking up.
And they joined a long list of corporate moguls to
do the same, including our own Air New Zealand, Genesis Energy.
(26:20):
There's a whole list of that basically just to offset
their emissions. And for what, Jamie, And I guess it's
a you know, it's all pain and no gain because
long term, this whole entire fast is going to fall
over and communities will be left with wind wind factories
on the landscape and carbon forests and big solar panels
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and will be left to clean up Jamie. And that's
a really sad thing. And I you know again, I
hold my you know, I really think those communities that
are fighting this type of scenario, particularly for example, the
Stuart and Boemer families down in the Catlands, that are
fighting that fifty five wind turbin turbines that slope down
two hundred and twenty meters high on the beautiful Powaka
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Taka horizon and in a conservation part none less, Jamie,
It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
And but hang on, Jane, you're being a bit of
a nimbi here, not in my backyard. I thought when
turbines with clean energy, we should be applauding it.
Speaker 13 (27:15):
The environmental cost of this one is here. All of
them are huge, Jamie. And you know, if you want
renewable energy, look just up in the valley from where
we are here, the Waiheki Valley, best idea ever nineteen
thirty two, built the dams and they irrigate twenty two
thousand hittores on their way out to see But you
know this, you know, the fast check is probably going
to slip this one past the goalie in terms of
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contact energy. Really disappointed to see Nitahu, who were originally
opposed to this environmental disaster. They've now sold their soul,
just as they did with you know, one hundred and
eighty million dollars. Sweetness, I'm already and energy up our way,
and we've just got to make sure that we support
our communities that are fighting this and the submission. You
know they're submitting to this today against this against corporate lawyers,
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and these are just family farmers and small businesses in
that area, the West Catland's area, just fighting their way,
and it's been interesting, Jamie. I see over in Victoria, Australia,
a Chinese owned wind farm that's now twenty four years old.
They've got about a twenty five year lifespan, is now
decommissioning and they literally are walking away from over hundreds
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of thousands of tons of concrete pedestals on the landscape,
just walking away. So that's the thing. Once this easy
USIC collapses and the climate change fast which has actually
come into pieces very quickly, all falls apart, we will
be left with the burden to clean this up, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Now, Jane, you have done a very good video. We're
going to share it on our social channels and at
the end of it it's quite moving, well thought out,
well constructed. Well done you. You've gone in and had
a look at a carbon farm not a mile down
the road from you in North Otago, and the telling
factor for me was the outside three rows of the
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carbon farm had been pruned. Once you got further in
what you couldn't see from the road disastrous ecological desire stuff.
Speaker 13 (29:01):
Absolutely, Jamie. And that is a course of site where
where there was a fire for back in two and
twenty twenty one, when at the same time as the
Lake Oha fire and the firefighters just couldn't get in
there to fight it. I mean, the local farmers did
their best. The owners don't live in the area, and really,
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you know, in terms of sympathy and also for the
farmers that nearly lost their houses and also the ability
to fight the fire, this wasn't near Jamie. It's a
weed and peace haven. I think in that video I
might say as part of my rant that the weeds
can barely grow on there. And that's been the laughable
thing that you know, they talk about this being a
nature based solution. I mean, there's no way natives are
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ever going to thrive in that again, and it really
looks like, particularly when they planted it out, it looked
like a scene from a Mad Max movie, because all
of the gullies, all of the native bio diversity has
been scorched, scorch earth policy, and they literally spray plant
and walk away. And so this is the type of
that that again, communities are left with and they seem
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to be seen as supposedly saving the world, and this
is not saving the world. And you know, we need
to be looking at real energy, real energy solutions and
security and food security too, Jamie. I mean, it's just
got beyond a joke. But I do feel like the
whole thing, the whole trojan horse, has been falling apart,
plank by plank, and we need to hold the line
because future generations will thank us for that.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Jamie, absolutely agree with you. Ecological disaster in the waiting.
I'm out of time, Jane Smith, and you have received
lots of nominations for a AG Person of the Year.
Once again, as I said to Miles Hurrell, Jane, out
of modesty, you can't nominate yourself very quickly. Who is
your twenty twenty five AG Person of the Year?
Speaker 13 (30:43):
Oh, without a doubt, it would be Mark Cameron MP.
I mean the tenacity and the courage that he's face
in terms of and put forward in the face of
health health challenges. And he is one of the few
MPs that when he entered the behiph he didn't have
an opinion lobotomy on the way. He's really brave and
he comes out and says exactly what he thinks. And
(31:04):
I really applaud that. So Mark Cameron, but also equally
all of those rural families out there and small business
people that are just fighting against the corporates at the moment,
and I take my hat off to them and thank
them for that.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
Jamie.
Speaker 13 (31:16):
Edit onwards and upwards for next year, because we've got
an election looming, so there'll be all sorts of promises
and some stupid decisions made. So yeah, let's hope for
some positive action next year too, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Okay, Jane Smith, North Otago farmer and award winning environmentalist,
thanks for your contribution, and just for Laurie and Bryce,
if you're listening, I do love you guys. We'll catch
you back next year.
Speaker 13 (31:37):
Thanks Jamie.
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Speaker 4 (31:46):
For the final time in twenty twenty five, and we
do appreciate that he makes the effort on a weekly
basis to talk to rural New Zealand Prime Minister Christopher Luxe.
And it's the sort of a good news bad news
day when it comes to the acronyms from yesterday. Soapy
was good? HIIFU was bad? What do you want to
start with?
Speaker 14 (32:05):
Yeah, well, listen, bit we can do about both of them.
I mean, firstly, happy Christmas. We're getting to the end
of the year and I just want to say thanks
what you've been doing through the course of the year.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
It's been brilliant.
Speaker 14 (32:13):
But I think the great story that you heard yesterday
was that our food and fiber sector had sixty two
billion dollars and that's a record number for New Zealand,
and that's up thirteen percent.
Speaker 8 (32:24):
Over the previous year.
Speaker 14 (32:25):
So you know, we really have been able to fire
up meat and well and horticulture and forestry and dairy
and all the component parts of our primary industry sector.
And that's a huge amount of effort gone and from
all your listeners and all your farmers.
Speaker 8 (32:39):
Each and every day. But you know, you've got.
Speaker 14 (32:40):
Some great organizations that are out there in the world
at the sharp end of the spear making sure they
get good returns from News Islanders and the farmers back
at home. So I might have which to be really
proud about that. Look on Haifu, essents, you what that
is about is that's Treasury putting its full cast forward.
They sort of anchor a little bit more in the past,
and what they've sort of said is luck. There's actually
some good things in there. We think we think growth
(33:02):
will be close to three percent of the next four years.
We think that actually wages will grow faster than inflation,
inflation will stay low.
Speaker 8 (33:10):
We had a small.
Speaker 14 (33:11):
Surplus plan for twenty eight twenty nine that's now moved
to a small deficits. But having said that, it's on
a big number and it bounces around where the government
stay committed to delivering a surplus in that period of time.
It's just a forecast.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Were two hundred and fifty four billion dollars of core
crown debt by twenty thirty. We're living beyond our means
in the still as here the Duplessy Allen pointed out
to your Finance Minister Nikola Willis this morning, a whole
lot of wasteful spending and I can speak with some
experience from this. The winter energy payment.
Speaker 14 (33:46):
Yeah, well, that's a commitment that we made that we
would actually keep that in place, because if you are
a senior around the country, that is something that we've said,
look that's been put in place, that's become an entitlement. Essentially,
there's a lot of people that do really rely on it.
You may not but there will be others that you had.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
But hang on, surely you can change your mind on this. Effectively,
national super is means tested because you pay at your
top marginal tax rates. So why not just use those
that calculation to say someone's earning two hundred grand, they
don't need the winter energy payment. Simple as well.
Speaker 14 (34:20):
Here's the deal, Like I mean the you know I've said.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
To hear a couple of weeks ago. It's lovely, But.
Speaker 14 (34:25):
The point is here, there's not a fan of actually
lifting the superannuation age from sixty five to sixty seven.
If you look out into New Zealand's future and you
think about what's driving ninety percent of our expenditure that
is actually sitting in health, it's sitting on welfare, it's
sitting in superannuation. And one of the simplest things you
could do is lift the superannuation age from sixty five
to sixty seven. You know, the average life expectancy of
(34:47):
a mail in this country's move four years in the
last twenty years when it was raised to sixty five,
and all we're asking is to move to two years.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
Where the UK, Canada and Australia are.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Absolutely agree with you. But as long as as long
as Winston's drawing breath, that's not going to happen. Let's
just finish on a light tonight. I threw a question
at your PR staff yesterday. If you had to invite
one member from the other side of the house to
share some Christmas chair over Christmas dinner, who would it be?
You've just got to name one person.
Speaker 14 (35:14):
Oh God, I disagree totally with his politics, but he
would be a live wire in terms of a dinner conversation.
It would be fun put it that way because it
would be sporty, and that would be Willie Jackson. He's
someone that I've always sort of had a bit of
a wind up with and as I move around this
place and he's wound me up as well, So I
(35:35):
think he'd be good sport at the dinner. Wouldn't agree
on much. We've have a hell of a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Same with me. I used to listen to on the radio.
Very entertaining. Okay, final question for twenty twenty five. Who
is your twenty twenty five AG Person of the Year.
Speaker 14 (35:50):
That's a pretty brutal question, to be honest, because there's
a hell of a lot of people that are involved
in the sector that have done a brilliant job making
it all come together in the last two years.
Speaker 8 (36:00):
If you really push me, I'd have to say, if
I look at Kiwi Fruit in particular, I think about
the work that Jason Tibrak is doing at Zesprey. He's
taken on as a new CEO.
Speaker 14 (36:11):
He's got a great team. I watched them out there
in the markets. Their markets really well, and I think
Espray has been great. But you know, equally, the fonterrast
Revety is working very well. I watch people like Silver
Firm and Farms just know their consumers well.
Speaker 8 (36:26):
In the US as well, Craig Piggott.
Speaker 14 (36:28):
I've put them on my Prime Minister Science Technology Innovation Council.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
Because I love what he's doing with Halter.
Speaker 14 (36:34):
So yeah, Nathan guy has been outstanding as well. I mean,
you watch that guy when you're in China, you know,
pushing the case for red meat and telling our story better.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
He's done a great job too, So there's a heap.
Speaker 14 (36:44):
But if your push came shove, I'd say Zesprey and Jason.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
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Speaker 4 (37:08):
We'll be back in mid January. Thanks for listening, really
appreciate it. Every listener is a prisoner, as we say
in the radio industry. Thanks to Rabobank, Todd Charteris and
his team for making this possible. They've been fantastic supporters
of us. But most of all, thank you to you
guys out there in rural New Zealand. The food and
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five per sect in our accounts for eighty three percent
of all New Zealand goods exports, and I know a
lot of you guys and girls will be working without
a break over the Christmas break. I will enjoy all
the food and wonderful produce you produce. Catch you back
in twenty twenty six, and mark my words, it's going
to be a better year. Going to leave you with
(37:49):
Bill Nahi Billy Mack from Love Actually.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
Un am there be nom tou son.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Christmas you count You gave your plessings to me and
I gave my to you.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
I need some time beside.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Me and the love thing I do.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
You know I love Christmas. I always as will put
my mind's made up.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Oh I feel.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
There's no beginning, there'll be no acause, Son Christmas.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
You try couns written on the window seven where I go.
Speaker 16 (39:39):
So if you really love me.
Speaker 7 (39:43):
Come on it, show, come on show.
Speaker 16 (39:56):
So you have an loder, come out and let it
gets your breath in London, Turmut in lead not because
your worth is only.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Come out and let it show.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
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Speaker 4 (00:23):
Christmases all around as good ay and good morning New Zealand.
N My name's Jamie mckais is the best of the Country
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supporters of us during twenty twenty five. We are going
to kick off the show today with Ray Smith, the
Director General of MPI. They came out this week with
their Situation and Outlook for Primary Industries report. Here we farmers,
(01:07):
growers and primary producers are driving New Zealand's economy, with
food and fiber exports set to reach a record sixty
two billion for the year ended June thirty, twenty twenty six.
The sector now accounts for eighty three percent of all
of our export goods. Also on the show this week,
(01:27):
we caught up with I call them the Power Farming Couple,
celebrity farming couple Nadia Lim and Carlos Baggery discussing Nadia's
Farm Kitchen, the best selling book for twenty twenty five
and Carlos's Nuffield Scholarship thesis. Been a very busy twenty
twenty five for New Zealand's power farming glamour couple. Miles Hurrell,
(01:50):
Fonterra's chief executive, was on the show on Wednesday after
yet another very disappointing global dairy trade auction down four
point four percent, whole milk powder down five point seven percent.
The writing was on the wall. That was on Wednesday.
When he was on the show. The next day, Fonterra
dropped the midpoint of the milk price to nine dollars.
(02:11):
Will it end up starting with an eight? I hope not.
Jane Smith North Otago Farmer Award winning environmentalist and Prime
Minister Chris Luckson Christopher Luxeon to be correct correct two
rap the week. He actually was really good in the
end of Ye's speeches in Parliament. A lot of them
were funny. Winston was on fire, Chippy had some good
(02:33):
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leaders came from Christopher Luxon. We will wrap the best
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Speaker 4 (03:08):
It is a day for acronyms today on the country
as we kick off the show very shortly, in fact,
at one pm, we will have HIIFU, which is the
half yearly economic financial update. Earlier this morning we had
soapy from MPI the situation and outlook for primary industries.
The Director General of MPI is Ray Smith and Ray,
(03:31):
you keep smashing it out of the park in the
primary sector.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Well done, well, what a fabulous result to a forecast
to close the year out three percent growth forecast on
top of thirteen percent last year for the primary sector
and they will drive us up to sixty two billion
dollars and export innings and we expect that to continue,
driven largely Jamie Boy by volume lifts for dairy, horticulture
(03:58):
and forestry and increases the course for our important red
meat sector. And what a tremendous year they have here.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Well, red meat's been the star of the stable. Now
let's just go through some of these numbers. We'll start
with the biggest one, dairy export revenue lifting one percent
to twenty seven point four billion. That's a hell of
a lot of money. But as we know, the price
globally of milk is going down. So is that going
to put a dampner on your predictions for next year?
Speaker 7 (04:28):
No?
Speaker 6 (04:30):
I mean you've got to remember that dairy prices have
been sort of exsollute record levels. I mean, if you're
paying out milk prices in around a ten dollar mark,
I mean that's phenomenally high. So anything in that nine
dollar range is a tremendous price payer on dairy And
just think about it like this. We've had record milk
solid production in the June to September period. It's up
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about three point eight percent on last year. And you know,
part of that has been, you know, farmers having the
confidence to bring in more feeds, So there's been a
lot of sublimetriy fee to lift production. While prices are good,
and we know that past your growth out through through
the summer period is likely to be good with these
ang Nia weather patterns affecting the North Island. So look,
Newdelle is going to continue to produce well, we'll probably
(05:13):
produce more milk solid than we've ever produced per car
and there's a real demand for protein. So yes, it's
come off. It's very very high peaks, but stabilizing.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
It's still a good news story meat and Wallox sports.
Let's be honest here, it's mainly meet lifting seven percent,
as we said, Star of the Stable to thirteen point
two billion dollars. Do you know what one of the
standout numbers for me was Ray Smith direct The general
of MPI. Horticulture are clear third now lifting five percent
to nine point two billion. Now, it wasn't that long
(05:43):
ago that horticulture and forestry were neck and.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Neck, absolutely, and now holder culture is chasing that red
meat sector, isn't it? And apples and pairs over one
point two billion is at December.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
Kivy fruit nine percent growth.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
I mean, kiv fruit story is just phenomenal. In fact,
if you look back over the decades, Kiwi fruit sort
of never materialized until in the last couple of decades,
and you know, I think they've doubled the volume of
trays of red kivy fruit this year, which is very
popular in the Asian markets. And of course the orchid returns,
(06:22):
uti gate returns for for ujidice are just just at
phenomenally high levels, So avocados will go down a little bit.
But cherries, we're expecting a really good return on cherries
this year because it plays into a slightly later Chinese
New Year, just in time for our harvest.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Forestry export revenue has lifted just two percent to six
point three billion, still very very important, their fourth biggest
export sector, but it would be fair to say it's
had its challenges in the past two or three years.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Yeah, and there's been quite a bit of consolidation, hasn't
there in some closed downs as well in the in
the forestry sector.
Speaker 8 (06:59):
But look, we're still, you know, the biggest.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Supplier of logs into the China market. We have a
big market share, and sorn timber prices are very good
out of the United States, even across the top of
those tariffs that were imposed, So the margins on sort
of our clearwood products that go into the United States
and into Australia are good. So look, I think we'll
see that forestratedy to slowly pull its way back through.
(07:22):
And of course construction demand has been low, which is
also suppressed that the value of our product.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Another couple of numbers to throw out there from me,
These I've cherry picked these, no pun intended. There are
Ray Smith, one and every seven people work in food
and fiber. And food and fiber now is responsible for
eighty three percent of our export goods earnings. Absolutely fantastic.
Now I can't let you go on the show this week,
(07:49):
Ray Smith, without asking you without any preparation at all. Again,
if to think on your feet here, and I know
you do that for a living. Who is your twenty
twenty five AG person.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
Of the Year, Well, Jamie, that gosh, every farmer in
New Zealand yet up for that price in my estimation.
But if I was picking a few key people, I'd
say you can't go past the chief exector of Frontia,
Miles har Or what an outstanding job he has done
and the time he's been in that job in a
big turnaround this year. But can I also mention a
(08:19):
couple of other people I think phenomenal Pete Connolly, who
is chief Executive ENSCO and Zealand. They have you'll know
that we've just come out of this in bogus thing
where we've declared that we're on the home streets and
we're almost.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
Free of this.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Well that big feed lord at ENSCO, all the controls
have come off that they've been tremendous in supporting the
program and making sure that we got information out of
the beef sector. We just wanted to want to thank
them for that and what they've done for that whole
beef sector and doing that and of course it can't
go past my trail blazing, globe trotting Minister Tom McLay
(08:53):
who's he's been out of the country more than he's
been in it trying to do his best to get
a trade deal for New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yep, Smith, thank you very much for your time throughout
twenty twenty five and well done to you guys at MPI.
I think we're going to very shortly officially kick m
Bovis for touch for good. Have a great break. We'll
catch you back next year.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Thanks, thanks Jamie.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
Having great Christmas.
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Speaker 4 (09:24):
We're counting down to Christmas here on the country, and
I reckon and many Christmas stockings could be a book
by one of our two next guests. Her name is
Nadia Lyman. Of course, the book is Nardia's Farm Kitchen. Nadia.
We're going to talk to Carlos Bagri in a minute.
But your book is number one on the nonfiction best
sellers list. You even headed off Jacinda a different kind
(09:48):
of power.
Speaker 9 (09:49):
Oh, thank you, Jamie. Do you know I had only
heard rumors of that, so you have actually confirmed what
I've heard, So you knew the news before me. But yeah,
I was I'm kind of told that, Yeah, that it
looks like the book was going to be number one
for this year, and great to hear that it actually is.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Well, when I say I know it's number one, I
read it in the listener like everyone else, So I'm
going to take the listener at their words. So you
are number one five.
Speaker 9 (10:15):
To the farmers. I'm not sure your books are on
the way because they posted them last week. Sorry I
was a bit let's post them, so you probably haven't
seen it yet, but the dedication is to our farmers
and food producers of New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Well they're not actually my books. I'm giving them out
to a couple of winners that were neglected to oh
this one for me. Well there's one Christmas present, so
of oh there's a box and Mackay's that coming your way.
Twenty twenty five for you guys, has been a bit
of a change around. Instead of Nadia's Farm, the TV
program became Nardia's Farm Kitchen. And I know, Carlos Baghri,
(10:48):
you were heavily involved, obviously, especially at the early part
of the year in your Nuffield scholarship.
Speaker 10 (10:55):
Oh and what a journey that's been, you know, that
has been a I think it was a bit of
thirteen countries, been a part of four months abroad and
got back this this year and had to sit down
and this was harder than anticipated it to be writing
a twenty thirty thing. It was that twenty thousand word
paper on my findings and what I saw abroad.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I've got a really short attention span, Carlos, and I
tell Michelle, my producer, if it's more than an a
four page I'm not reading it. Do you have an
executive summary?
Speaker 10 (11:25):
I do, Yeah, there's there's there's a one to two
page tucked away on if you want to find it
will be on the Rural Leader's website and so you can. Yeah,
they're there to be not just mine, but that all
the other Nwfield scholars have both their execut summaries as
well as their full papers and all the references.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
So to just in thirty seconds or less, what was
the guts of your thesis?
Speaker 10 (11:46):
The guts of it really was looking at it from
a macroeconomics perspective and looking at the New Zealand economy
going okay, look we've got two main, two main businesses
that are generating our expert earnings, one being of course tourism,
the other one being primary production. So those are your two,
your two big ones, and we need to maintain and
(12:06):
drive both those as hard as as well as we
possibly can into the future. Basically, what I come out
at the end of it was, hey, look we've got
two amazing industries that we need to continue to invest in.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
But what is the third leg to our economy?
Speaker 10 (12:20):
Like what is what like, what's the third leg to
our still.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
And what is the third leg.
Speaker 10 (12:24):
Wow, that's up for debate, all right. Yeah, So that
that's that's that's that. I mean, that's kind of the
crunch of it. What what what is it that we
can invest in the New Zealand and continue to drive
forwards worth and wow? Yeah, I mean there's all sorts
of things. You can look at Ireland with taxation and
you look at finance with like Switzerland and Singapore as well,
(12:44):
like economies that are similar to ours, populations that are
similar to ours, and what has other what what has
other countries done that has worked?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I know, you too are an incredibly busy and I
call and you hate this, I know, but the celebrity
farming power couple of News AirLand, you lead very very
busy lives. So Nadia, what's up next for you in
twenty twenty six? Will there be another series of Nadia's
Farm Kitchen.
Speaker 9 (13:12):
Well, I'm not looking too far ahead right now because
I feel like I needed to take a little bit
of a break, you know, just maybe at least six
weeks or so over the Christmas summer holiday period, so
hopefully I won't be doing too much over that period
of time.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
But yeah, it.
Speaker 9 (13:28):
Looks like we've been commissioned for another series of Nadia's
Farm Kitchen that did really well. It was really popular
and the book that came up with it has been
has done really well too. So yeah, it sounds like
we'll be doing it next year. But you know, I
won't say definitely until we actually start rolling the camera,
but it has been commissioned.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah, Carlos Bagri, you're not renowned for sitting around twiddling
your thumbs or sitting on your thumbs. What's up for you?
What new adventures have you got on the farm?
Speaker 10 (13:57):
Well, a lot of it as you're off the farm
at the moment. On Fires is continuing driving a butchery
and erbatphire. We're scaling up her arable so we've got
oh a lot of crops in the ground this year,
more than we've ever done. But a lot of my
focus on over the next twelve months will be Swifty
Beer and of course in the mckibbons Restell stores. So
we we took over a retail store it's like a
(14:21):
small small supermarket in Queensdown late last year. I've been
working away on that. So really, to be honest, we're
very lucky. We get to work in some very cool projects,
and those are a couple of them.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
How good is it having your own beer, Carlos.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
It's right.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
No Amerson's makes it's just got my name on it.
I didn't do anything about it. You do all the
work for yours.
Speaker 10 (14:46):
Well, that's probably my favorite. You turn up to a barbecue.
I've got my own land meet, I've got my own beer.
It's a it's a it's a great scenario.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
And you've got Nadia Lum on your arm. You're punching.
You're well, I'm truly punching Carlos here. That's a compliment.
That is all right you guys. Hey, look, thank you
very much for me always being available anytime I wring
you up. You say, sure, have a great remainder of
your twenty twenty five and Merry Christmas with your family.
(15:18):
Will catch you back next year. And I've sent you
a box of MacKaye's. Are no pressure, Carlos, but you
know reciprocation.
Speaker 8 (15:25):
It will.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Good on you. And thanks for the box, Nadia, see
you later, Thank.
Speaker 9 (15:30):
You, Jeremy. Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Love fingers.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Show Nadia Lum and Carlos Bagri Earlier in the week
on the Country, Good morning, my name's Jamie mckaie. This
is the Best of the Country. The show's brought to
you each and every Saturday morning, apart from the holiday
break of course, by Rabobank. We're growing a better New
Zealand together. On Wednesday show, I caught up with Miles Hurrell.
He was actually in Australia, fon Terra's chief executive and
(16:01):
he commented on another very disappointing GDT auction Tuesday evening
Wednesday morning, our time down four point four percent, whole
milk powder down five point seven percent, ninth drop in
a row. Will the payout begin with an eight? I
threw that at him the next day when he got
back to New Zealand. I think they move well. In fact,
(16:21):
I know they moved the midpoint of the milk price
from nine dollars fifty down to nine. Let's hope it
can stay starting with the nine. Miles Hurrell. Next on
the Country before the end of the hour, Jane Smith
and Christopher Luxen.
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Speaker 4 (16:51):
Rubboback, another man making his final appearance on the Country
for twenty twenty five is Fonterra chief executive Miles Hurrell,
a man who has been nominated several times for our
AG Person of the Year. I wonder who his nomination is.
We'll ask him a bit later, Miles. I want to
read from some commentary done by Mike McIntyre at Jarden.
(17:11):
He said, there's an old idiom that a falling knife
has no handle, and today down four point four percent,
signaling the ninth fall on the bounce. You would be
a brave person who would bet against the current run
exceeding the record of ten negative prints in a row.
And of course he's talking about the GDT auction. I'm
(17:32):
going to start with this as grim as it is
heading into Christmas. Are we now looking at a payout
that may begin with an eight?
Speaker 11 (17:41):
Yeah, Jamie, Well, it's normally nice to talk to you
in the weekkend sort of leading up for Christmas. But
as you allude, this is not great news that we
start to see player in the international market. It's been
it's sort of been under way for a while, and
the amount of milk that's flowing out of the Northern
Hemisphere and in fact at home as well is certainly
not helping the supply side. Picture demands still not too bad,
(18:02):
but the supply side is out there. So look, we
came out only a few weeks ago, dropped from a
ten dollars mid point down to a nine point fifty.
We're having a good look at that, and I'm likely
to have to come out sometime in the very near
future with it with another look. Of course, we do
always have a spread over that, so does the low
end of our spread start to look with an eight?
Speaker 8 (18:22):
You know?
Speaker 11 (18:22):
Who knows how that looks in the next few days,
But we'll certainly let let everyone know as.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
We get to get those numbers drawn up.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
And this is a stupid question, but have we any
idea when we might reach a floor?
Speaker 11 (18:34):
Well it well, it's not a stupid question, but it's
a question that no one really knows the answer to. Look,
you know, having spend a lot of my time in
my career in the international markets, you know, buyers in
the world their key targets are to try and beat
the market. So as the market falls, are also in
there waiting to see when it hits the floor and
then jump in before it sort of starts to go
(18:54):
back up again. So I guess that's the challenge that
we're in at the moment. You know, how much inventry
to some these buyers have. It was interesting to see
the Chinese were strong buyers last night. Would suggest that
maybe they've got you know, that they've got some miventary
issues they're dealing with. But it's at the same time,
Southeast Asia, Middle East was a bit quiet. So yeah,
it is the million dollar question, really, Jammie, when will
(19:16):
let the floor hit? But you know, we're not seeing
any slow down of milk as I say, Northern Hemisphere
and here in New Zealand. Despite seeing their message that
these milk prices have been unsustainable, I was still seeing
a lot more milk come through.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Do we need the weather god? I mean, this is
another stupid question. Do we need the weather gods to
help out here? And I know this sounds rather negative,
but if parts of the country dry out, it may
lower milk production which may help us reach that floor
a wee bit quicker. And just talking about the weather,
I know you've had some issues I think at your
Clandy Boy plant in South Canterbury, Mid Canterbury regarding milk collections.
Speaker 11 (19:55):
Yeah, look, look, you're a brave man to be talking
about things like drought and that with farmers because you know,
while it would likely have an impact on milk price
and it could be to the positive, you know, we
all know the pressures that puts on farmers.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
So it's a double edged sword, of course, So I
totally get that, but it would appair with the milk
production going at the way it is at the moment.
Miles or my words, not yours. Maybe the message isn't
getting to farmers that they might want to rearrange how
much they shunt into the cows.
Speaker 11 (20:24):
Yeah, well, well of course, and you know, as I say,
what will likely come out in the next couple of
days was an update and so that hopefully gives a
pretty clear message to farmers around where we see the
market for the sort of the short term and then
they start making some decisions around feed and those sort
of things.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
But you know, who knows what the weather will do
in the early part of the new year.
Speaker 11 (20:42):
As you say, it's been a bit dry up in
the north, a bit of storm in the south, and
we saw that last night. Yeah, there was an electoral
storm around mid Canterbury. Which which is as likely to
have an impact on sort of collections for the next
day or so, So we're sort of assessing that. So
that's not ideal as well. So I guess this is
a game that we're in, you know, the volatility that
exists in the market and with the things like weather.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You know, she's a tough ole game out there.
Speaker 11 (21:07):
And so my thoughts go out for our farmers as
we deal through this over the next to a few
weeks through the Christmas break.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Well, the good news I've had enough bad news. The
good news is the long term outlook for protein is
still great, so it's still a good business to be
and if you're a Fonterra farmer shared holder, you have
that two dollars capital repayment coming in the first half
of twenty twenty six. Radio. You have been nominated several
times AG Person of the Year. I think you were
a runner up to Todd McLay last year. Who's your
(21:34):
AG Person of the Year?
Speaker 11 (21:35):
Not allowed to name yourself, Miles, Thank thanks Shemmy, But
I'm going to give a call it actually to Andy
McFarland and and he's just stood down from our board
after eight years and has been a staunch supporter obviously
the co op model and what we do, but he
he's just been fantastic as a supporter of the business.
(21:56):
He's also still on the ends Cod board. He's part
of egg Research for for a number of years and
had a lot of workout Incoln University. But I went
to a couple of his farewells, one down an ash
Burton actually a few weeks ago, and then one we
head up here with the board last week and just what.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
A wonderful guy.
Speaker 11 (22:12):
What you know, knows the industries are so well as
passionate about New Zealand im passionate New Zealand eggs. So
I know my call that's to Andy, and I watched
him all the best for his sort of retirement from
Fontier at least, and I've had.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
The good pleasure of meeting Andy McFarlane. He's a good
bloke to boot Miles Harrell, thanks for always being available
at the drop of a hat quite literally here on
the country. We appreciate it talking to the top dog.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Good only thanks Jamie, have a good Christmas.
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Best of the Country Jane Smith North a real favorite
here on the Country, North Otago Farmer Award winning environmentalist
and Groundswell pin up Girl or is she? On Wednesday
she had ike here carbon farming and wind turbines fairly
(24:03):
and squarely in the sites, plus we get her ag
Person of the Year. It was a recurring theme with
all of our guests this week on the Country. We're
going to wrap it with the bloke who's running the country.
On Wednesday, the Prime Minister made his final appearance for
twenty twenty five as he pondered the acronym soapy ii
e FU A surprise Christmas Dinner guest and you will
(24:23):
be surprised when you hear who he would invite to
Christmas Dinner from the other side of the house. And
we got his ag Person of the Year and before
I forget Rabobank is also proud to be returning as
the principal partner of National Lamb Day, which will take
place on February fifteen. More about that in the new year.
Once again, agg Proud and Beef and Lamb New Zealand
(24:44):
will lead the campaign championing New Zealand's proud lamb producing
heritage and the people who make it possible You the
sheep and beef. Well, in Lamb's case, the sheep farmers
of this country will catch him. Will take a break
should I say. And after the break we'll speak to
one of New Zealand's sheep farmers. She's a beef farmer
as well. Her name is Jane Smith and.
Speaker 12 (25:06):
She's out of north Otago, the best of the country
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Speaker 3 (25:22):
Rubber Bank.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
She is another one making her final appearance for twenty
twenty five. Her name is Jane Smith, north Otago farmer,
award winning environmentalist and I wrongly accused you in one
of my battles with Groundswell, Jane Smith, of being a
Groundswell pin up girl. An apologies to Groundswell because I
think they've done a good job in the past. But
I did take issue with their press release around the
(25:44):
RIMA reforms, calling them timid. I didn't agree with that,
So there you go. I've got that off my chest, Jane.
But this is about you, not about me. You've been
putting the boot into IKEA.
Speaker 13 (25:55):
Oh good afternon Jamie. Look that was just a little
distraction the other day, but it's a very important issue.
Speaker 14 (26:00):
You know.
Speaker 13 (26:00):
You look at carbon far I don't even want to
call it farming Jamie. You know, carbon factories around you know,
the pine trees empty station around the country. They are
I think twenty five thousand hectares now they're clocking up.
And they joined a long list of corporate moguls to
do the same, including our own Air New Zealand, Genesis Energy.
(26:20):
There's a whole list of that basically just to offset
their emissions. And for what, Jamie, And I guess it's
a you know, it's all pain and no gain because
long term, this whole entire fast is going to fall
over and communities will be left with wind wind factories
on the landscape and carbon forests and big solar panels
(26:40):
and will be left to clean up Jamie. And that's
a really sad thing. And I you know again, I
hold my you know, I really think those communities that
are fighting this type of scenario, particularly for example, the
Stuart and Boemer families down in the Catlands, that are
fighting that fifty five wind turbin turbines that slope down
two hundred and twenty meters high on the beautiful Powaka
(27:02):
Taka horizon and in a conservation part none less, Jamie,
It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
And but hang on, Jane, you're being a bit of
a nimbi here, not in my backyard. I thought when
turbines with clean energy, we should be applauding it.
Speaker 13 (27:15):
The environmental cost of this one is here. All of
them are huge, Jamie. And you know, if you want
renewable energy, look just up in the valley from where
we are here, the Waiheki Valley, best idea ever nineteen
thirty two, built the dams and they irrigate twenty two
thousand hittores on their way out to see But you
know this, you know, the fast check is probably going
to slip this one past the goalie in terms of
(27:35):
contact energy. Really disappointed to see Nitahu, who were originally
opposed to this environmental disaster. They've now sold their soul,
just as they did with you know, one hundred and
eighty million dollars. Sweetness, I'm already and energy up our way,
and we've just got to make sure that we support
our communities that are fighting this and the submission. You
know they're submitting to this today against this against corporate lawyers,
(27:56):
and these are just family farmers and small businesses in
that area, the West Catland's area, just fighting their way,
and it's been interesting, Jamie. I see over in Victoria, Australia,
a Chinese owned wind farm that's now twenty four years old.
They've got about a twenty five year lifespan, is now
decommissioning and they literally are walking away from over hundreds
(28:17):
of thousands of tons of concrete pedestals on the landscape,
just walking away. So that's the thing. Once this easy
USIC collapses and the climate change fast which has actually
come into pieces very quickly, all falls apart, we will
be left with the burden to clean this up, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Now, Jane, you have done a very good video. We're
going to share it on our social channels and at
the end of it it's quite moving, well thought out,
well constructed. Well done you. You've gone in and had
a look at a carbon farm not a mile down
the road from you in North Otago, and the telling
factor for me was the outside three rows of the
(28:52):
carbon farm had been pruned. Once you got further in
what you couldn't see from the road disastrous ecological desire stuff.
Speaker 13 (29:01):
Absolutely, Jamie. And that is a course of site where
where there was a fire for back in two and
twenty twenty one, when at the same time as the
Lake Oha fire and the firefighters just couldn't get in
there to fight it. I mean, the local farmers did
their best. The owners don't live in the area, and really,
(29:21):
you know, in terms of sympathy and also for the
farmers that nearly lost their houses and also the ability
to fight the fire, this wasn't near Jamie. It's a
weed and peace haven. I think in that video I
might say as part of my rant that the weeds
can barely grow on there. And that's been the laughable
thing that you know, they talk about this being a
nature based solution. I mean, there's no way natives are
(29:43):
ever going to thrive in that again, and it really
looks like, particularly when they planted it out, it looked
like a scene from a Mad Max movie, because all
of the gullies, all of the native bio diversity has
been scorched, scorch earth policy, and they literally spray plant
and walk away. And so this is the type of
that that again, communities are left with and they seem
(30:03):
to be seen as supposedly saving the world, and this
is not saving the world. And you know, we need
to be looking at real energy, real energy solutions and
security and food security too, Jamie. I mean, it's just
got beyond a joke. But I do feel like the
whole thing, the whole trojan horse, has been falling apart,
plank by plank, and we need to hold the line
because future generations will thank us for that.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Jamie, absolutely agree with you. Ecological disaster in the waiting.
I'm out of time, Jane Smith, and you have received
lots of nominations for a AG Person of the Year.
Once again, as I said to Miles Hurrell, Jane, out
of modesty, you can't nominate yourself very quickly. Who is
your twenty twenty five AG Person of the Year?
Speaker 13 (30:43):
Oh, without a doubt, it would be Mark Cameron MP.
I mean the tenacity and the courage that he's face
in terms of and put forward in the face of
health health challenges. And he is one of the few
MPs that when he entered the behiph he didn't have
an opinion lobotomy on the way. He's really brave and
he comes out and says exactly what he thinks. And
(31:04):
I really applaud that. So Mark Cameron, but also equally
all of those rural families out there and small business
people that are just fighting against the corporates at the moment,
and I take my hat off to them and thank
them for that.
Speaker 8 (31:15):
Jamie.
Speaker 13 (31:16):
Edit onwards and upwards for next year, because we've got
an election looming, so there'll be all sorts of promises
and some stupid decisions made. So yeah, let's hope for
some positive action next year too, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Okay, Jane Smith, North Otago farmer and award winning environmentalist,
thanks for your contribution, and just for Laurie and Bryce,
if you're listening, I do love you guys. We'll catch
you back next year.
Speaker 13 (31:37):
Thanks Jamie.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
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Speaker 4 (31:46):
For the final time in twenty twenty five, and we
do appreciate that he makes the effort on a weekly
basis to talk to rural New Zealand Prime Minister Christopher Luxe.
And it's the sort of a good news bad news
day when it comes to the acronyms from yesterday. Soapy
was good? HIIFU was bad? What do you want to
start with?
Speaker 14 (32:05):
Yeah, well, listen, bit we can do about both of them.
I mean, firstly, happy Christmas. We're getting to the end
of the year and I just want to say thanks
what you've been doing through the course of the year.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
It's been brilliant.
Speaker 14 (32:13):
But I think the great story that you heard yesterday
was that our food and fiber sector had sixty two
billion dollars and that's a record number for New Zealand,
and that's up thirteen percent.
Speaker 8 (32:24):
Over the previous year.
Speaker 14 (32:25):
So you know, we really have been able to fire
up meat and well and horticulture and forestry and dairy
and all the component parts of our primary industry sector.
And that's a huge amount of effort gone and from
all your listeners and all your farmers.
Speaker 8 (32:39):
Each and every day. But you know, you've got.
Speaker 14 (32:40):
Some great organizations that are out there in the world
at the sharp end of the spear making sure they
get good returns from News Islanders and the farmers back
at home. So I might have which to be really
proud about that. Look on Haifu, essents, you what that
is about is that's Treasury putting its full cast forward.
They sort of anchor a little bit more in the past,
and what they've sort of said is luck. There's actually
some good things in there. We think we think growth
(33:02):
will be close to three percent of the next four years.
We think that actually wages will grow faster than inflation,
inflation will stay low.
Speaker 8 (33:10):
We had a small.
Speaker 14 (33:11):
Surplus plan for twenty eight twenty nine that's now moved
to a small deficits. But having said that, it's on
a big number and it bounces around where the government
stay committed to delivering a surplus in that period of time.
It's just a forecast.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Were two hundred and fifty four billion dollars of core
crown debt by twenty thirty. We're living beyond our means
in the still as here the Duplessy Allen pointed out
to your Finance Minister Nikola Willis this morning, a whole
lot of wasteful spending and I can speak with some
experience from this. The winter energy payment.
Speaker 14 (33:46):
Yeah, well, that's a commitment that we made that we
would actually keep that in place, because if you are
a senior around the country, that is something that we've said,
look that's been put in place, that's become an entitlement. Essentially,
there's a lot of people that do really rely on it.
You may not but there will be others that you had.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
But hang on, surely you can change your mind on this. Effectively,
national super is means tested because you pay at your
top marginal tax rates. So why not just use those
that calculation to say someone's earning two hundred grand, they
don't need the winter energy payment. Simple as well.
Speaker 14 (34:20):
Here's the deal, Like I mean the you know I've said.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
To hear a couple of weeks ago. It's lovely, But.
Speaker 14 (34:25):
The point is here, there's not a fan of actually
lifting the superannuation age from sixty five to sixty seven.
If you look out into New Zealand's future and you
think about what's driving ninety percent of our expenditure that
is actually sitting in health, it's sitting on welfare, it's
sitting in superannuation. And one of the simplest things you
could do is lift the superannuation age from sixty five
to sixty seven. You know, the average life expectancy of
(34:47):
a mail in this country's move four years in the
last twenty years when it was raised to sixty five,
and all we're asking is to move to two years.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
Where the UK, Canada and Australia are.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Absolutely agree with you. But as long as as long
as Winston's drawing breath, that's not going to happen. Let's
just finish on a light tonight. I threw a question
at your PR staff yesterday. If you had to invite
one member from the other side of the house to
share some Christmas chair over Christmas dinner, who would it be?
You've just got to name one person.
Speaker 14 (35:14):
Oh God, I disagree totally with his politics, but he
would be a live wire in terms of a dinner conversation.
It would be fun put it that way because it
would be sporty, and that would be Willie Jackson. He's
someone that I've always sort of had a bit of
a wind up with and as I move around this
place and he's wound me up as well, So I
(35:35):
think he'd be good sport at the dinner. Wouldn't agree
on much. We've have a hell of a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Same with me. I used to listen to on the radio.
Very entertaining. Okay, final question for twenty twenty five. Who
is your twenty twenty five AG Person of the Year.
Speaker 14 (35:50):
That's a pretty brutal question, to be honest, because there's
a hell of a lot of people that are involved
in the sector that have done a brilliant job making
it all come together in the last two years.
Speaker 8 (36:00):
If you really push me, I'd have to say, if
I look at Kiwi Fruit in particular, I think about
the work that Jason Tibrak is doing at Zesprey. He's
taken on as a new CEO.
Speaker 14 (36:11):
He's got a great team. I watched them out there
in the markets. Their markets really well, and I think
Espray has been great. But you know, equally, the fonterrast
Revety is working very well. I watch people like Silver
Firm and Farms just know their consumers well.
Speaker 8 (36:26):
In the US as well, Craig Piggott.
Speaker 14 (36:28):
I've put them on my Prime Minister Science Technology Innovation Council.
Speaker 8 (36:31):
Because I love what he's doing with Halter.
Speaker 14 (36:34):
So yeah, Nathan guy has been outstanding as well. I mean,
you watch that guy when you're in China, you know,
pushing the case for red meat and telling our story better.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
He's done a great job too, So there's a heap.
Speaker 14 (36:44):
But if your push came shove, I'd say Zesprey and Jason.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
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Speaker 4 (37:08):
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appreciate it. Every listener is a prisoner, as we say
in the radio industry. Thanks to Rabobank, Todd Charteris and
his team for making this possible. They've been fantastic supporters
of us. But most of all, thank you to you
guys out there in rural New Zealand. The food and
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five per sect in our accounts for eighty three percent
of all New Zealand goods exports, and I know a
lot of you guys and girls will be working without
a break over the Christmas break. I will enjoy all
the food and wonderful produce you produce. Catch you back
in twenty twenty six, and mark my words, it's going
to be a better year. Going to leave you with
(37:49):
Bill Nahi Billy Mack from Love Actually.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
Un am there be nom tou son.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Christmas you count You gave your plessings to me and
I gave my to you.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
I need some time beside.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
Me and the love thing I do.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
You know I love Christmas. I always as will put
my mind's made up.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Oh I feel.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
There's no beginning, there'll be no acause, Son Christmas.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
You try couns written on the window seven where I go.
Speaker 16 (39:39):
So if you really love me.
Speaker 7 (39:43):
Come on it, show, come on show.
Speaker 16 (39:56):
So you have an loder, come out and let it
gets your breath in London, Turmut in lead not because
your worth is only.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Come out and let it show.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
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