January 12, 2026 • 6 mins
A leading farming academic has her say on nitrogen, waterways and dairy cows. Plus, what was on her reading list this summer?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining us now, doctor Jaquillin, Rot and Chapel. A little
birdie tells me before we get into the nitty gritty
of things that as part of the sort of your
summering your wrist and relaxation, you've been doing a bit
of interesting reading. Is that the case? Have you got
a few tips for a good read?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
No, I haven't, because my interesting reading is mostly scientific
papers and consumer comments and reports and research and that
sort of thing. So I have had a very good
time in terms of immersion and thinking about dairy opportunities
for the future. But it has been Some people would
call it work. I call it I'm making progress, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Making progress well. And in the last few weeks, what
we would you say you've made progress? And any sort
of hot tips for the future.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
No, certainly looking at the trends for dairy and this
was for a book for the USA, which will be global,
but it was looking at global dairy futures, and so
that was very interesting in terms of the whole people saying, gosh,
these weight loss drugs are going to put us all
out of production. Well, actually they're not. Because what's happening
(01:07):
with these weight loss drugs apart from the shock horror
health implications is that people need more protein and the
whole business about protein and not the ultra processed food
type stuff, the natural and what New Zealand can provide.
I think this puts us in a very good place
for the future. And of course we did see the
uptic in the dairy prices already this year, which is
(01:31):
traditional for about this time of year, but it gives
us the indication that people want our product and that
makes us all feel good.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, great way to start the year. That gdd why
about six percent? Right? Okay, so well building on that,
So what are your sort of how's your confidence levels
and your predictions for the year of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Across the board, they are actually better for our global
trade than thinking about the local concerns because over the
Christmas holidays I was somewhat appalled.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
To see dairy getting flat again on the Canterbury planes
without actually understanding that practically anything anything to do with
humans will have an impact because there are so many
of us on the Canterbury planes. The most high quality protein,
the indispensable amino acids or essential amino acids for the
(02:27):
least impact, including area, so we're talking about greenhouse gases,
water and area come from dairy with a bit of
arable But the problem for the errowball growers at the
moment is that they can't cover costs by growing crops,
so not their traditional crops, the high value seed crops
is a bit different. But how can we actually make
(02:51):
ensure that the economy survives and that the understanding of
the role of the dairy cow actually improves. And this interview,
I'm hoping will enable people to understand that the nitrogen
and they eat water on the canterory plants has been
there for a very long time, long before dairy got there.
So taking the dairy cow away does not help Hamish.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Long before the dairy cow got there. And your latest
column is available and goes into that big time for
the New Zealand dairy cow on this particular front right. Yes, yes,
although there is something about an elephant at speed that
kind of like amused me and I eventually got it
and I loved it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, yeah, oh well, I hope people do. But I
certainly remember my brother who was a few years younger
than me, Howling Middlaster at this particular joke and making
everybody think, what, oh right, rethink, and that's what we
need to do about the dairy cow. Let's have a
rethink and stop rehashing stuff that wasn't right in the nineties.
(03:53):
And we've got all the data and we've got the evidence,
and we've got people well lang care, it was called
land care scientists doing work in the white erwarra rappers
saying unless we understand the role of gorse in producing nitrogen,
we're going to be constraining agriculture unnecessarily, and of course
(04:13):
the constraint won't make any difference to the water. So
let's keep thinking what do we actually want to achieve
with water? Are we talking health issues because nobody's really
proved anything there. Are we talking the little fishes the
macro invertebrate index, Well, actually that tends to be in
most trouble on the coastal regions, which is mostly to
(04:37):
do with towns. So let's reconsider what we're trying to
do with beautiful New Zealand because the tourists think it's lovely.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, oh goodness, there's so much of this sort of
I don't know, misinformation that seemed like it was a thing,
and now it's not, but how do we change it?
It's like it feels like we're pushing a bit of
the proverbial uphill jack all at times.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Well, let's go back to that joke. Yes, you need
to keep going with it because of the snarks syndrome,
and every time somebody says something, it gets embedded and
some of the things that have said, when do you know?
When everybody knows something? I spend time thinking about why
do we know that? And is it actually true? And
sometimes things are measured in ways that have now been
(05:20):
improved so that we get better understanding, better techniques, better measurements,
better understanding, and we can think actually needs a complete overhaul,
and the dairy cow in New Zealand is supporting the
economy and allowing us to do all the other things
famous like education that needs well. Erica is trying to
do the overhaul or the health system and we need
(05:43):
that to be functioning at a better level. And let's
do some more investment in research and development, because that's
where we get the answers.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
They try doing all that in those sectors without the
faithful dairy go right.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Able to do it at all.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Doctor Jaquelin Roth always pleasure. Thank you very much for
joining us on the camera.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Pleasure to talk with you.
Joining us now, doctor Jaquillin, Rot and Chapel. A little
birdie tells me before we get into the nitty gritty
of things that as part of the sort of your
summering your wrist and relaxation, you've been doing a bit
of interesting reading. Is that the case? Have you got
a few tips for a good read?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
No, I haven't, because my interesting reading is mostly scientific
papers and consumer comments and reports and research and that
sort of thing. So I have had a very good
time in terms of immersion and thinking about dairy opportunities
for the future. But it has been Some people would
call it work. I call it I'm making progress, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Making progress well. And in the last few weeks, what
we would you say you've made progress? And any sort
of hot tips for the future.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
No, certainly looking at the trends for dairy and this
was for a book for the USA, which will be global,
but it was looking at global dairy futures, and so
that was very interesting in terms of the whole people saying, gosh,
these weight loss drugs are going to put us all
out of production. Well, actually they're not. Because what's happening
(01:07):
with these weight loss drugs apart from the shock horror
health implications is that people need more protein and the
whole business about protein and not the ultra processed food
type stuff, the natural and what New Zealand can provide.
I think this puts us in a very good place
for the future. And of course we did see the
uptic in the dairy prices already this year, which is
(01:31):
traditional for about this time of year, but it gives
us the indication that people want our product and that
makes us all feel good.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, great way to start the year. That gdd why
about six percent? Right? Okay, so well building on that,
So what are your sort of how's your confidence levels
and your predictions for the year of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Across the board, they are actually better for our global
trade than thinking about the local concerns because over the
Christmas holidays I was somewhat appalled.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
To see dairy getting flat again on the Canterbury planes
without actually understanding that practically anything anything to do with
humans will have an impact because there are so many
of us on the Canterbury planes. The most high quality protein,
the indispensable amino acids or essential amino acids for the
(02:27):
least impact, including area, so we're talking about greenhouse gases,
water and area come from dairy with a bit of
arable But the problem for the errowball growers at the
moment is that they can't cover costs by growing crops,
so not their traditional crops, the high value seed crops
is a bit different. But how can we actually make
(02:51):
ensure that the economy survives and that the understanding of
the role of the dairy cow actually improves. And this interview,
I'm hoping will enable people to understand that the nitrogen
and they eat water on the canterory plants has been
there for a very long time, long before dairy got there.
So taking the dairy cow away does not help Hamish.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Long before the dairy cow got there. And your latest
column is available and goes into that big time for
the New Zealand dairy cow on this particular front right. Yes, yes,
although there is something about an elephant at speed that
kind of like amused me and I eventually got it
and I loved it.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, yeah, oh well, I hope people do. But I
certainly remember my brother who was a few years younger
than me, Howling Middlaster at this particular joke and making
everybody think, what, oh right, rethink, and that's what we
need to do about the dairy cow. Let's have a
rethink and stop rehashing stuff that wasn't right in the nineties.
(03:53):
And we've got all the data and we've got the evidence,
and we've got people well lang care, it was called
land care scientists doing work in the white erwarra rappers
saying unless we understand the role of gorse in producing nitrogen,
we're going to be constraining agriculture unnecessarily, and of course
(04:13):
the constraint won't make any difference to the water. So
let's keep thinking what do we actually want to achieve
with water? Are we talking health issues because nobody's really
proved anything there. Are we talking the little fishes the
macro invertebrate index, Well, actually that tends to be in
most trouble on the coastal regions, which is mostly to
(04:37):
do with towns. So let's reconsider what we're trying to
do with beautiful New Zealand because the tourists think it's lovely.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, oh goodness, there's so much of this sort of
I don't know, misinformation that seemed like it was a thing,
and now it's not, but how do we change it?
It's like it feels like we're pushing a bit of
the proverbial uphill jack all at times.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Well, let's go back to that joke. Yes, you need
to keep going with it because of the snarks syndrome,
and every time somebody says something, it gets embedded and
some of the things that have said, when do you know?
When everybody knows something? I spend time thinking about why
do we know that? And is it actually true? And
sometimes things are measured in ways that have now been
(05:20):
improved so that we get better understanding, better techniques, better measurements,
better understanding, and we can think actually needs a complete overhaul,
and the dairy cow in New Zealand is supporting the
economy and allowing us to do all the other things
famous like education that needs well. Erica is trying to
do the overhaul or the health system and we need
(05:43):
that to be functioning at a better level. And let's
do some more investment in research and development, because that's
where we get the answers.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
They try doing all that in those sectors without the
faithful dairy go right.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Able to do it at all.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Doctor Jaquelin Roth always pleasure. Thank you very much for
joining us on the camera.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Pleasure to talk with you.
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