July 22, 2026 • 9 mins
The NZ First deputy leader is not backward in coming forward on emissions targets. But does he have a selective memory when it comes to some of the policy u-turns of the past? Plus, we get his thoughts on knee pads and Stuart Nash.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jane Jones as the New Zealand First Deputy Leader. Shane
I'm going to come back to Kneepads and Stuart Nash,
but I want to start with if I can, because
I know you're in Otargo today. I want to talk
about emissions targets. In twenty nineteen, the woke hold Dunedin
City Council declared a climate emergency. It was sort of
fashionable to do so in those days. Now they've scrapped
(00:22):
net zero twenty thirty. These were ridiculous targets we were
never going to meet. Are climate emergencies. So twenty nineteen
and Jasinda are diurnished.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
These days, the climate emergency rhetoric has ebbed in the
face of sheer economic reality. What Jasinda at Dern did
in eighteen, nineteen and twenty reflects that juvenile period of
(00:54):
political leadership. We cannot afford all these luck beliefs. We
are already spending a great deal of money in the
South Island with your councils on boosting flood mitigation through
stock banks and related work. That's the kind of result,
(01:15):
not the rhetorical flourishes that characterize Chippy and the Green
Party and various other fellow travelers.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Has Trump effectively changed the rules worldwide? Now it's all
about the cost of living and looking after yourself, basically
surviving day to day rather than saving the planet. And
have we got it the wrong way round?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, all Trump has done is tapped into not to
use to obscure a word that zeitgeist, the spirit of
the times. He's uncorked it in large parts of the
Western world. We're following on. But I want you to
know I have always been the doubting Thomas checked any
(01:58):
of my rhetorical contributions. I've said all along, till every
cow close every factory, you will not have zero impact
on the world's climate until America, India, China actually pursue
actions that meet the frottiness of that sort of rhetoric.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You did have an opportunity way back in Jacinda's first term,
when you were standing behind and nodding, albeit with your
hand over your eyes, you could have spoken up then, Shane.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Of course, at that particular time, she sprung a captain's
call on us. But fortunately nine years on we're dealing
with the circumstances that surround us, and we're not living
in the past. We moved very quickly to a tone
I personally did for those misdeeds. And that's why a
lot of what I'm up to resonates well with your
(02:52):
South Island.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
New Zealand is at risk of missing all its climate
targets for what they're worth, and time to get contract
is running out according to the Climate Change Commission. You're
obviously not taking a jot of notice about what they're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm only interested in our economic robustness, our societal durability.
If you keep closing down all of the firms and
the key contributors to our economy, like the cement factory,
like Jacinda and Megan, closing down the refinery will be
hollowed out, will be zombie like, but apparently we'll have
(03:32):
some sort of vicarious pleasure that we saved the planet.
That's the opposite of what enz at first believes.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Do you still believe in planting heaps of trees?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Ah, right tree, right place, right tree, right place? And
obviously after I left it.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You were never going to fit a billion trees in
the right place. Have you atoned for that terrible error?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, look, it's up to the landowners. They're in charge
of their own property they're or planting tree trees. I
don't think you should pluck one particular policy they've got
over in zuberant and and and pin some stigmatized shane.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
That's called a sect, that's called a selective memory. Come on,
you've got to admit, admits your faults.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
There's nothing wrong with forestry and we will not be vaporizing.
We will not be assassinating the carbon forestry sector. They
have legitimate rights. But however, we will be refining, and
we will be dealing with the ragged edges of the
ets and the ridiculous expectations at the rest of the
(04:39):
world have on us through Paris.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Well, we're not going to meet these targets. But the
irony of the whole situation is when we don't meet
these targets, as we clearly won't, all we're going to
get is a slap over the wrist with a wet
bus ticket.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, well, there'll be an odd slaught of frothy language
from the media. There'll be a few trading partners, I'm told,
But you know my message to the trading partners UK.
Your people already are trying to reinvent a new avenue
back to explore, uncover gas and oil. Europe, you're burning
(05:18):
coal all the time. China just built a new railway track.
I'm told to bring Mongolian cold China. And here we
are in New Zealand sort of fleecing ourselves, closing down factories,
allowing the gent tailors to rout what's left of our
productive economy. Of course, all that will change after the election.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You're in Otargo today, You're heading up to your happy
place McCrae's mind. This is all part of your campaign. Well,
you're going to try and get a billion dollars to
survey the offshore oil and gas gas reserve and not
to mention, dig up everything you can on shore.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well, it's nothing wrong with any modern nation having incredibly
high quality reservoir of knowledge about the wealth the potential
that lies off the coastline, and then use that as
a basis to find ways of co investing with either
the Japanese or variety of others who may want to
(06:16):
secure our oil and gas, and we'll reserve some for ourselves.
I'm already presiding over a successful march of miners through
parts of the South Island and Okay, certain landscapes have
to be protected, and I'm willing to live within those guardrails.
And of course the reason I'm going to the gold
mine today within Otago is because there's something akin to
(06:38):
a talisman there. They're going to show me an incredibly
amazing gold bar. And you know, in another part of
my life, I would have maybe have got a job
as a gold miner. But I hope to actually put
a bit of gold in the tooth that I've recently lost.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Let's just finish on knee pads. And Stuart Nash, has
he been treated harshly? Have you got off lightly?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Oh? Look the media they feasted on one colorful expression
with my reference quite frankly pertain to maintain our steadfastness.
We don't need to bow down to any foreign leader
who was holding an Ethno nationalist rally. I don't even
know how on earth that rally took place.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Come on, Shane, Shane, Shane, you're bullshitting a bullshitter here.
Now you know as well as I do there was
a sexual reference to your comments.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Now you know as well as I do. It was
a whole woke, riddled younger generation of journos who conveniently
tried to inject something riskue into that remark.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That completely innocent remark.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I mean that remark could have related to health and safety,
could have related to sport, could have related to gardening.
I think five too much of it on to.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Finish on Stuart Nash. He's a bit accident prone. But
my understanding is correct me if I'm wrong. That was
a prime it text to former National Minister Chris Finlasson,
who has a podcast. Should Chris Finlsson have sat on that?
Because I can tell you over the years I've received
texts and communications from government ministers and if I was
(08:14):
to make them public they would be hung out to dry.
But you respect the privacy.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, look, Chris Finlayson has used this opportunity to seek
grace and favor within the National Party. It's sad that
the matter has ended in this way. I've known Stu
for a long time. But look at it was probably
Shakespeare who said it best were it done? When it's
(08:42):
done better done? Well?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Did Shakespeare quickly? Did Shakespeare say dig it up and
damn it up? Or was that you the other great wordsmith?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You've already you've already corrected me. Look, Stuwie offered his
resignation advised. It's a sensible outcome. We wouldn't want this
distraction stewing indefinitely as we run up to the campaign.
Winston will be home soon from overseas and no doubt
Stewie will go on with his life and a dress
(09:15):
local issues with his community is far no. He is
someone I've known for a long long time, but he
will not be a part of our campaign running up
to November seventh.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Shane Jones, thanks for your time. Enjoy your day at
your happy place, the mccraze mining gold Mine.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
See you, buddy,
Jane Jones as the New Zealand First Deputy Leader. Shane
I'm going to come back to Kneepads and Stuart Nash,
but I want to start with if I can, because
I know you're in Otargo today. I want to talk
about emissions targets. In twenty nineteen, the woke hold Dunedin
City Council declared a climate emergency. It was sort of
fashionable to do so in those days. Now they've scrapped
(00:22):
net zero twenty thirty. These were ridiculous targets we were
never going to meet. Are climate emergencies. So twenty nineteen
and Jasinda are diurnished.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
These days, the climate emergency rhetoric has ebbed in the
face of sheer economic reality. What Jasinda at Dern did
in eighteen, nineteen and twenty reflects that juvenile period of
(00:54):
political leadership. We cannot afford all these luck beliefs. We
are already spending a great deal of money in the
South Island with your councils on boosting flood mitigation through
stock banks and related work. That's the kind of result,
(01:15):
not the rhetorical flourishes that characterize Chippy and the Green
Party and various other fellow travelers.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Has Trump effectively changed the rules worldwide? Now it's all
about the cost of living and looking after yourself, basically
surviving day to day rather than saving the planet. And
have we got it the wrong way round?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, all Trump has done is tapped into not to
use to obscure a word that zeitgeist, the spirit of
the times. He's uncorked it in large parts of the
Western world. We're following on. But I want you to
know I have always been the doubting Thomas checked any
(01:58):
of my rhetorical contributions. I've said all along, till every
cow close every factory, you will not have zero impact
on the world's climate until America, India, China actually pursue
actions that meet the frottiness of that sort of rhetoric.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You did have an opportunity way back in Jacinda's first term,
when you were standing behind and nodding, albeit with your
hand over your eyes, you could have spoken up then, Shane.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Of course, at that particular time, she sprung a captain's
call on us. But fortunately nine years on we're dealing
with the circumstances that surround us, and we're not living
in the past. We moved very quickly to a tone
I personally did for those misdeeds. And that's why a
lot of what I'm up to resonates well with your
(02:52):
South Island.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
New Zealand is at risk of missing all its climate
targets for what they're worth, and time to get contract
is running out according to the Climate Change Commission. You're
obviously not taking a jot of notice about what they're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I'm only interested in our economic robustness, our societal durability.
If you keep closing down all of the firms and
the key contributors to our economy, like the cement factory,
like Jacinda and Megan, closing down the refinery will be
hollowed out, will be zombie like, but apparently we'll have
(03:32):
some sort of vicarious pleasure that we saved the planet.
That's the opposite of what enz at first believes.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Do you still believe in planting heaps of trees?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Ah, right tree, right place, right tree, right place? And
obviously after I left it.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You were never going to fit a billion trees in
the right place. Have you atoned for that terrible error?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, look, it's up to the landowners. They're in charge
of their own property they're or planting tree trees. I
don't think you should pluck one particular policy they've got
over in zuberant and and and pin some stigmatized shane.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
That's called a sect, that's called a selective memory. Come on,
you've got to admit, admits your faults.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
There's nothing wrong with forestry and we will not be vaporizing.
We will not be assassinating the carbon forestry sector. They
have legitimate rights. But however, we will be refining, and
we will be dealing with the ragged edges of the
ets and the ridiculous expectations at the rest of the
(04:39):
world have on us through Paris.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Well, we're not going to meet these targets. But the
irony of the whole situation is when we don't meet
these targets, as we clearly won't, all we're going to
get is a slap over the wrist with a wet
bus ticket.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, well, there'll be an odd slaught of frothy language
from the media. There'll be a few trading partners, I'm told,
But you know my message to the trading partners UK.
Your people already are trying to reinvent a new avenue
back to explore, uncover gas and oil. Europe, you're burning
(05:18):
coal all the time. China just built a new railway track.
I'm told to bring Mongolian cold China. And here we
are in New Zealand sort of fleecing ourselves, closing down factories,
allowing the gent tailors to rout what's left of our
productive economy. Of course, all that will change after the election.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You're in Otargo today, You're heading up to your happy
place McCrae's mind. This is all part of your campaign. Well,
you're going to try and get a billion dollars to
survey the offshore oil and gas gas reserve and not
to mention, dig up everything you can on shore.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well, it's nothing wrong with any modern nation having incredibly
high quality reservoir of knowledge about the wealth the potential
that lies off the coastline, and then use that as
a basis to find ways of co investing with either
the Japanese or variety of others who may want to
(06:16):
secure our oil and gas, and we'll reserve some for ourselves.
I'm already presiding over a successful march of miners through
parts of the South Island and Okay, certain landscapes have
to be protected, and I'm willing to live within those guardrails.
And of course the reason I'm going to the gold
mine today within Otago is because there's something akin to
(06:38):
a talisman there. They're going to show me an incredibly
amazing gold bar. And you know, in another part of
my life, I would have maybe have got a job
as a gold miner. But I hope to actually put
a bit of gold in the tooth that I've recently lost.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Let's just finish on knee pads. And Stuart Nash, has
he been treated harshly? Have you got off lightly?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Oh? Look the media they feasted on one colorful expression
with my reference quite frankly pertain to maintain our steadfastness.
We don't need to bow down to any foreign leader
who was holding an Ethno nationalist rally. I don't even
know how on earth that rally took place.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Come on, Shane, Shane, Shane, you're bullshitting a bullshitter here.
Now you know as well as I do there was
a sexual reference to your comments.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Now you know as well as I do. It was
a whole woke, riddled younger generation of journos who conveniently
tried to inject something riskue into that remark.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That completely innocent remark.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I mean that remark could have related to health and safety,
could have related to sport, could have related to gardening.
I think five too much of it on to.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Finish on Stuart Nash. He's a bit accident prone. But
my understanding is correct me if I'm wrong. That was
a prime it text to former National Minister Chris Finlasson,
who has a podcast. Should Chris Finlsson have sat on that?
Because I can tell you over the years I've received
texts and communications from government ministers and if I was
(08:14):
to make them public they would be hung out to dry.
But you respect the privacy.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, look, Chris Finlayson has used this opportunity to seek
grace and favor within the National Party. It's sad that
the matter has ended in this way. I've known Stu
for a long time. But look at it was probably
Shakespeare who said it best were it done? When it's
(08:42):
done better done? Well?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Did Shakespeare quickly? Did Shakespeare say dig it up and
damn it up? Or was that you the other great wordsmith?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You've already you've already corrected me. Look, Stuwie offered his
resignation advised. It's a sensible outcome. We wouldn't want this
distraction stewing indefinitely as we run up to the campaign.
Winston will be home soon from overseas and no doubt
Stewie will go on with his life and a dress
(09:15):
local issues with his community is far no. He is
someone I've known for a long long time, but he
will not be a part of our campaign running up
to November seventh.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Shane Jones, thanks for your time. Enjoy your day at
your happy place, the mccraze mining gold Mine.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
See you, buddy,
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