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THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Thursday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Could Be Worth a Crack/For Once, Not Enough Red Tape/Stop Eating the Rich/Just Because You Can't Save it, Never Stop Trying/But if You're Going To Do it, Do it

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good o there and welcome to the rewrap for Thursday.
All the best, but it's from the mic hosting and
breakfast on Newstalk Z'B and a sillier package. I am
Glenn Hart and today disability funding that we were talking
about this in Australia. It's a bit of a thing
in Australia at the moment and people have claimed that
it's very much the same here. So we'll see if

(00:47):
we can get to the bottom of that lotto years
it's jack potted and so everybody's well, everybody's just basically
annoyed that they're not going to win. I mean one
person might, or a couple of people might, but most
of us won't. The vast majority of us won't. The
climate bad bad, bad bad and some but he did

(01:08):
a hunger strike, but now they've stopped doing it, so
presumably they got what they were hunger striking about before
any of that. Can we fax Local body elections.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Local body politics. Having a bit of a weeken the sun,
they formed a group, as we told you Tuesday to
look at the ways of pumping up voting turnout and
the possibility of a four year term. The government's change
rules around Murray Wards has also seen the local authorities
front up this week have their Assayates, Select Committee and
on that specifically. They're bogged down and they don't even
seem to know it. They're bogged down by something that

(01:37):
never had to be as problematic as it's turned out
to be. So the old rule was of councils decided
to introduce in your area Murray seat or Murray Wards.
The locals who hadn't been consulted got to run a vote.
If you went out and got five percent of the
rate payers backing you, you had a vote. And when
they did hold a vote, it was a landslide each
and every time. Telling the councils that Murray wards were
not wanted labor without consultation changed that rule. You weren't

(02:01):
allowed to vote anymore. Councils could do whatever they wanted,
no checks, no balances. Now this government wants to flip
that law. Now. Mistake number one. The councils as argue
this week its central government overreach is what they say
while they forget that they're the same councils who cry
poor to governments over everything from infrastructure to storm damage
to GST collection. You can't have it both ways. Central

(02:21):
for money and local for power doesn't work. Mistake too.
The answer has been in front of them all along.
It's called democracy. Originally, before they started gurrymandering the system,
anyone could stand. Still can. In fact, if you notice
that anyone can stand, and if they got enough votes,
guess what they were elected. Because not many Maris stood,
some bright spark argued race based policy was an answer.

(02:44):
Stacked the rules, Marray, get a different deal, and it's
been downhill ever since. When the rule is that anyone
can stand, there are no barriers, you have no problems.
The freedom to stand, the freedom to debate, the freedom
to contest the vote. It's a good, clean, clear system,
and most importantly, a level playing field. It's fair. When
you mess with it, you strike trouble. And here we

(03:04):
are years later, trying to untie the mess that race
based creates. Keep it simple, listen to the people value democracy,
and you might just find more people actually turn up
to vote.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, except I know a lot of idiots who I
don't care what they say about things, and I don't
want them to vote and have a say about my life.
That's where it all falls down democracy. We wrap right,
so disability research funding with funding for benefits and things.

(03:39):
It's a murky area, a hard area to police. Are
we policing it at all? They don't seem to be
In Australia, what about here?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Let me come to disability research. Yesterday we got a
text and it said, Mike, have a look at the
New Zealand disability sector changes over the last six years.
This came out of our discussion listing price ongoing in Australia.
It's just a complete and utter route and they hand
out money. If they work out you disabled in some way,
shape or form, they hand you over money and then
you can go out and spend it on whatever you want.
And that seems to be a surprise that it's been

(04:06):
sort of exposed anyway, Mike, have a look at the
New Zealand disability sector changes over the last six years.
Funding no longer on a needs assessment. It is based
on what the disabled person chooses to make their life better.
So is that true answer? Close individualized funding it's called
an IF payment we've done the work. Our research department
has done the work. It's called an IF payment. You

(04:29):
can do with it whatever you want. Maintaining your house.
They give you a list of ideas maintaining your house,
personal care of someone disabled, pay the costs for engaging workers,
that sort of stuff. There's a list of what it
can't be used for. No illegal activities, no gambling, no alcohol,
no things that are not disabilities support such as health
services that are provided by a hospital or income support

(04:49):
doesn't cover cost related to medical supplies, equipment, homer innovations, leisure, recreation,
and personal family costs. Now would they have a check
on that? I suspect no. So if you went down
to the putment had a nice lunch, what are they
going to do? Element of a high trust model. Labor
gave us nothing else apart from erect Economy gave us
the old high trust model. So how do you get

(05:11):
and apply for funding? So this is where it gets
a bit in New Zealand tricky. You can't fill out
a form on the website or anything simple like that.
Wouldn't that be a nice idea. What you've got to
do is find a local needs assessment coordinator service and
you go for a face to face consultation and maybe
you'll get seen within twenty one days. Now you understand
the logic behind that, which is obviously you can scam

(05:33):
them online if you front up and go here I am,
here are my issues, let's talk them through. Obviously they
get a better read on what's going on ADHD. The
claim was, and I made the comment in Australia have
been very contentious. You get money for having ADHD. Remembering,
of course in Australia, although you were technically disabled, you
can do whatever you want if you can hold down
a full time job with ADHD. You get your salary

(05:56):
as a person holding down a full time job with ADHD,
but you also get the so called disability money here
from what we can find out on the website, it
doesn't include ADHD as part of it. However, you can
get an ADHD disability payment through WINS for those under
seventeen year olds and who have severe ADHD. That can
be up to seventy eight dollars a week. So it

(06:19):
doesn't seem as I was going to use the word generous,
but that's the wrong word. As big a scam as
the Australian system seems to be because that's a multi
billion dollar scam. But you know they're getting upset in
Ausralia about the person who went out and bought a car.
But if you're handing out money because you're disabled and
you can pretty much do with it whatever you want,
and you go buy a car, then so what Then

(06:40):
make a rule that says you can't buy a car,
or make a rule that the money is funneled directly
into help with your disability. But if you're just going
to hand it out because people are disabled, then you
know you're asking for trouble. Same thing seems to apply here. Yes,
tell them not to gamble or drink booze, but I mean,
what are you going to do about it when they do?
And the answer I strongly suspect is nothing. So there
you go. It's a similar but not completely the same system.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I do worry that people seem to think that ADHD
isn't a thing, or if it is a thing, it
shouldn't get any kind of help. If you can help
somebody into a job, for example, if you can help
them get out of bed in the morning and into
a job because you've managed to release some of these
symptoms of ADHD, or you've helped them, you know, deal

(07:26):
with it and manage it in their lives. It's not
the end of the world. I think that's what they're
complaining about in Australia. I don't know about here. Let's
move on, shall we rewrap? Now? I dearly, I just
win fifty million dollars on Saturday, and then I won't

(07:48):
need any funding for anything because I'll be I'll be
completely self funded, and yes, I will be quite rich.
And then people will hate me? Is that what happens?

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Are there used to be a debate about power bell
of course, how much is too much as far as
the jackpot goes well, fifty million this coming weekend, Apparently
that seems to have fallen by the way side the
whole debate. So we got a little bit excited yesterday,
didn't we about the forty three million this particular week
Mind you, in America it can go over a billion,
and even with the weird rules, he can end up
with hundreds of millions of dollars. So forty three million

(08:18):
or fifty million, whatever it turns out to be, seems
pretty ordinary. Really. See one of the bits of advice
came yesterday from the usual round of experts the media
line up as they try and hype a fiscal event
of this particular nature. One so called expert suggested money
doesn't buy happiness, and in that they are completely and
utterly wrong. Money, sadly, in this country, has never been

(08:38):
valued properly. It's often shunned or derided, or you if
you have too much, how seen as rich or loaded.
In fact, you may be seen as rich or loaded
even if you are neither just moderately comfortable. It is
almost good to be average, if not poor or struggling.
It's the egalitarian thing. I guess. It's why my parents
and grandparents generation never really flaunted their wealth. That's changed,

(08:58):
of course, and a consumer society has emerged, with various
bits of tackiness associated with it. But at its core,
what money does is solve problems and offer choice, and
that is not to be dismissed. It is also good
to have experienced periods without money, because if you're lucky
and get a bit settled financially, you realize the contrast.
I look at our kids setting out in life. At

(09:18):
the moment, they're working hard, they're scraping by. They're piecing
together money with ideas of a house deposit. Some argue
student debt will kill that particular dream. One in London
is discovering how putting together a series of pay packets
and one of the world's most expensive cities is just
sheer hard graft. In our quiet moments, I think we
all know it. Don't we money or no money? Which

(09:39):
would you prefer? Many of us don't long for riches
per se, but having to not worry about the bills
has a real tangible value. Knowing you can write a
check for whatever makes life materially easier. There is, of course,
the debate around the lotto fever itself, the desire to
get all that money by doing basically nothing, which is
the other money lessing. If you have worked hard for it,

(10:01):
it's extremely rewarding. So it doesn't by happiness. Sorry, it does,
and quite a.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Bit of it opinons what kind of person you are.
I'm not the person the kind of person who is
made happy by money in itself, but there are definitely
things that I could buy with the money that would
make me happy. Things experiences, pies, I keep saying pies.
Pies just keeps coming out. We never talk about this.

(10:28):
I don't know why it's so rewrap. Now, just when
everybody had assumed that the climate was all fixed. That's
what we do, all assumed, isn't It turns out we've
had twelve twelve months of record breaking temperatures. The world's
never been hotter.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Buga just quickly the UN they're busy angsting this morning.
Antonio Gatira saying the sort of things that he generally says.
We are playing Russian Roulette with our planet. So this
is a World Meteorological organization now an eighty percent chance
that global average temperatures will exceed that one point five
above industrial levels. Back in twenty fifteen to see the
prospect of that happening was about zero. So and out

(11:07):
to the eighty percent, and he's decided. And this gives
you a good indication that they have no more answers.
He's called this morning for the world's fossil fuel industries
to be banned from advertising their products. He said, coal, oil,
and gas the corporations, the godfathers of climate chaos, who
have distorted the truth, deceived the public for decades. I
don't know they've deceived us have they if you put
petrol in a car, I think we've always understood it

(11:27):
burns out the tailpipe, and we're not particularly good for
the planet. I don't think there's any misinformation there. And
when you're sort of banning ads for fossil fuel companies,
you know pretty much the old ideas bank is empty.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
And yet again I find myself very frustrated by the
husk settitude towards all the stuff, and by all the stuff,
I mean our impending climate doom. Just because it might
not be possible to save the world, does that mean
that we shouldn't try to the rewrap right? We're going
to finish up here with somebody else seems to be

(12:01):
heading their head against brick wall, but perhaps a little
bit harder.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
I know what the great deal of interest will Alexander
has finally brought his hunger strike to an ended. You
noticed this yesterday after nineteen nineteen what I'm assuming if
Philly peckish days anyway, I went straight to his demands
when he launched this on the eighteenth of May. He

(12:27):
had three demands to be met before he stopped eating,
and I thought, well, in nineteen days, three demands have
been met. That's not bad. What are these demands? I
thought that Will Alexander former Shortland Street actor by the way,
just in case you not quite the household name, he
might think he is one the government restart and double
its funding for the United Nations relief. Now that hasn't happened,

(12:52):
so things aren't off to a good start. Two Paul
Kiwi troops from the Red Sea. No, that hasn't happened either,
so he's not easy. So zero for two. Will he
stopped New Zealand high tech company Raycon from supplying components.
Now the problem with Raycon is they said quite clearly

(13:15):
they had no idea and they didn't think that any
of their stuff went into weapons. So that hasn't happened either.
So he's lost thirteen kilograms overall and he's achieved nothing.
So what was the point? And you've never fallen.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Round to his trap? Here you are talking about it.
I'm the most listened to radiation in the country, mate.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
No, no, I didn't, Glenn, because it depends what he wanted.
Did he want the water to stop or did he
want to just draw attention to himself so he would
argue he wants the war stopped, So he's failed utterly.
If he merely wanted people to talk about him, then
you're right. I did fall into his trap. Here I
am talking about him and he's sitting listening, going, oh

(13:58):
they're talking about me. Fabulous. But we wouldn't want to
make that suspicion, would we. I'm sure he's a much
more rounded individual. And what he really wanted was the
water stop?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Did say what he went for? Was it a mcmaffin first.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
A good question, very very good questions. Pie completely ignored
in the coverage that I read yesterday.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
That's the only thing I want to know.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Next thing in the headline, X Shortland Street actor? Is
that really what you want to be known for? All
your I mean, honestly, is We're all ex Shortland Street actors,
aren't we? I mean we've all been there.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah I've never heard of them? And yeah, are you
supposed to do it till you die? Because that's basically
what it comes down to, isn't it? Either you meet
my demands or I die? So I feel like he
was a little bit uncommitted, but I mean, good on
for trying. I don't once again, I don't agree with

(14:54):
the husk that you know, nobody should ever try to
do anything about anything because there's no point because sometimes
you know, Vietnam War's end. I am glen Hart. That
was the real and I will try and do this
again tomorrow. I will be hungry because I don't usually

(15:15):
been fastful after I get home. It's not a protest
or anything.

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