July 1, 2024 • 12 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Tuesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Bring On Q3/Meanwhile, Across the Ditch/Trump's Court Helps Trump/Facebook Finally Held to Account
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Rep ok there and welcome to the rewrap for Tuesday.
All the best butts from the Mic Hosking breakfast on
News Talks.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
He'd be in a sillier package. I am Glen Harten today,
Ossie politics. What's going on? The thumb and a suit
is gaining in popularity? How can that be?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Trump is immune or at least partially immune?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
How did that happen?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And is there anything at all that we can do
about the scheme ads on Facebook? But before any of that,
law and order and the coalition government's Q two plans
generally have they delivered?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Let's find out.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
So the end of the month brought the end of
the government's latest action plan, of course, thirty six items,
some of them real, some of the ideas that got
talked about as a piece of imagery full of good
and tea and a reminder as not going basis. The
government is busy, busy, busy, busy, doing lots of stuff. Overall,
I think the government has done a good, too excellent
job in their time and office so far. I would
give them seven out of ten are the fruits or
(01:21):
otherwise of A lot of the stuff that they're up
to will not be seen for a while. The education
reforms are likely many years away. The economy may respond
a little bit later this year. Maybe it's a longer haul.
Who knows survived to twenty five All that stuff you
can see the cops on the street have we just
been talking about. You can feel the intent around crime there.
The tax cuts are arriving as we speak. The jobs
in the public sector have been trimmed, so a mix
(01:41):
of things that have happened, are happening or will happen.
The overarching theme I'm liking, though, is common sense. Oil
and gas for example, No, not the future, but certainly
needed because ideology trapped us into a gap that we
can't fill with wind and sun. That's become plainly obvious.
Common sense and logic replaces ideology. Practical governments tend to
be popular governments. I like the coalition so far. Not ideal,
(02:04):
of course, because three of anything is generally a compromise,
but so fast, so good. And this has come against
a backdrop of no real honeymoon. Don't forget that, And
that is in part because of the extraordinary mess we're
in economically hard to revel in a new administration that's
cutting and pruning and giving out hard economic lessons, and
yet they seem broadly to be doing it reasonably successful.
(02:25):
There's a competence about them as well, based on experience,
whether political or real world. My standouts are for what
they count for whatever, so far Peter's and Seymour. Peter's
is superb on the international stage, or has been superb
on the international stage. Seymour's driving logical, common sense change
in places like far mac willis, by the way, proving
more than up to the job. I would have thought
(02:46):
Stanford may Well turn out to be a rock star.
Not as high profile, of course, but don't underestimate the
size of change coming our way in schools for sheer
entertainment mixed with determination. I love Shane Jones for now.
They seem to have momentum, They have the we inherited
a mess, so we need to fix it. Excuse so
so far as Action Planned two closes, Q three start,
(03:08):
no regrets on getting rid of the last lot?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yes, so I mean I haven't personally been remrated or
gone out of business for self or missed any school
or yes, so that all seems to be working.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Good job, good job government.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Rewrap, but a few rumblings in Australia as far as
their government's concerned, Albanese is down and Dutton thumb and
a suit guy.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Is like New Zealand are speaking of elections. Like New Zealand,
Australia doesn't have many one term governments. Generally speaking, you
get a couple of terms at least three, isn't unheard of.
Beyond that you're making history. Of course, Anthony Albanese was
a shoe in for two at least until last week.
Suddenly he wasn't Peter Dutton, the leader of the oppositions,
overtaking the prime minister as preferred prime minister. That in
(03:58):
itself is a little short of a miracle. Dutton isn't
particularly pleasant or fun or lovable or likable. He's not
the sort of bloke you'd invite for beers, and yet
here he is. What's also remarkable, he's done it on
a couple of things. One alban easy in the fact
he's hopeless. He has the economy in the cost of
living crisis. He has the mess around the detainees, the
illegal migrants, and the courts and the rearrests and the
drama you may or may not have been following. So
(04:19):
in that Dutton has been lucky. But the other bit
is the new clear debate. The nuclear debate was driven
by the announcement that the coalition the opposition will pull
Australia out of the Paris Accord, not because they don't
want to help the planet, but because they argue it's
not realistic. The gap is too big, the promise is
too grandiose, and that level of common sense seems to
have landed well with your average Australian. Next step, what
(04:40):
are we doing to fill that gap? If it's not
coal or gas? Answer? Nuclear? What a call. But and
here's the stunning bit, it hasn't been blown out of
the water. It hasn't been automatically and hysterically rejected. That
too as an idea seems to have landed reasonably well
with your average Aussie. Next thing, you know, Dutton's the
preferred Prime minister. Maw the election elbow doesn't have to
go until next year, but increasingly they argue this year
(05:02):
is a real possibility. What was not long ago a cakewalk,
a showIn a fore god conclusion is now a line
call a race, and did I suggest one of the
one that the Labor government might will increasingly be afraid of.
A lot of the world is watching Nigel Farage and
what he's done in the UK by way of upending
the whole contest. But as spectacular as that is, he
(05:23):
won't be PM Peter Dutton from nowhere just might.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I don't find anything likable about Dutton at all. I
don't really know anything about their policiesword anything like that.
I just if he Tybe appears on screen, I just
get a sort of a job of the heart feeling anyway,
rerap right and more rumblings in America in the wake
of the Supreme Court decision, Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Was responsible for appointing a few of those justices, so
surprisingly instead of gone his.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Way, Donald Trump, presumptive immunity. You cannot overstate what has
happened here at the Supreme Court. The president is not
above the law. This is John Roberts. But under our
system of separated powers, the president may not be prosecuted
for exercising his core constitutional powers, and he is entitled
to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution from his official acts.
(06:22):
So do went off, Kotanji Brown, Jackson went off, and
Roberts had to strike. Becky said, they strike a tone
of chilling doom that is wholly disproportionate to what the
court actually does today. So do my or and Jackson
off are also, he said, no constitutional basis for rejecting
the idea that a president should have such immunity. The
key to this is when's he a president, when's he not?
(06:46):
And with a guy like Trump, you Trump's ever going
to not be president. I'm always president. I'm always president,
is what he will say.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
So anyway, I think.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's hard to get into the netting gritty of exactly
what this means for Trump, but I think what it
means is that they are are lower courts that will
now make the decision of the Supreme Court on some
of these cases. So I don't know that he's home
free yet, but he.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Probably still rewrapped.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Now we've got an old chestnut here, a favorite of Mike's.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Facebook and their scam ads.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I think he's given up there's nothing and just accepted
there's nothing he can do.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
But not everybody has.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Just before we Leavepe. The European Commission yet again talking
to Meta, this is ad supported subscription options. It's what
they call a pay or consent model. So as a user,
you have to either pay to use a platform ad free,
or consent to their data being processed or your data
being process for personalized advertising. So they introduced the service
(07:47):
for Facebook and Insta last year in Europe. This was
in response to regulatory concerns over privacy, of course, so
they now face potentially fine of up to thirteen billion
dollars because they think they could be not they but
the EU thinks they could be in breach of the
anti trust rules. Yet again, they've been accused of failing
to comply with the blocks antitrust rules. In the Commission's
(08:09):
preliminary view, I mean, it's hard to keep up with this,
the number of times these guys get dragged before various
official you know, whether it be in America or Europe.
I mean, you can't blame the politicians for not trying,
but Jesus, it seems to be going on. There's a
lot of them anyway. And the Commission's preliminary view, this
binary choice forces users to consent to the combination of
their personal data and fails to provide them with a
(08:32):
less personalized but equivalent version of metas social network. So
I don't know where they go there, but it does
bring us very nicely to Andrew Forrest Twiggy, they call
them out of wa He is and was involved in
Super Rugby, but a billionaire and he's been to court
with Facebook as well, and he's won in the US.
(08:53):
This is and this promises to what they call pis
the US laws that have cloaked Facebook's business from harm
on the platform. So what he was after is all
of the dodgy operators on the platform, how you get
to them, how you control them, how you regulate them.
So this was a US court last month. It would
(09:13):
consider whether the well in this case, Facebook breached its
duty to the public by allowing fraudulent advertisements to appear
on the platform. This came out of Twiggy. I mean,
anyone who's got I'm sure you're not surprised by this,
but anyone you were in the world basically is it got.
Even the remotest profiles has somehow, some way, shape or
form been part of a scam advertising. I include myself
(09:35):
many times over and the Great debate is whether you
do what I do and just go it is what
it is and what can you possibly do? Or you
do what Twiggy does and go bugger this. I'm going
to take them to court. So they had cause for
action under California common law to claim for misappropriation of
his name and likeness. So MET is going to be
forced to reveal some information on the inner workings of
(09:58):
their advertising platform. In other words, how does this happen?
And do they know? And if they knew, why don't
they do something about it. So over about six months
to December of twenty twenty three, there were seventeen hundred
new fraudulent ads, including crypto scams, posted on Facebook, aided
and abetted by ten to fifteen fake Andrew Forrest's Facebook
(10:19):
profiles popping up each and every week to support them.
So it is the first time, and this is what's
important about it, the first time that any party has
successfully pierced what they call Section two thirty of the
Communications Decency Act, which was enacted by Clinton back in
the nineties. So it's an old los so Clinton would
have gone, look, I've done my best. There it is,
that's your law, there's your protection everyone else skirts around it.
(10:42):
Meta doesn't say whether they're going to appeal, but their
advertising comes into one hundred and thirty four billion dollars,
and it's sort of dubtails into the debate we're having
in this country and the media landscape whereby these guys
simply do whatever they want to do, no one regulates them,
no one seems to be able to get on top
of their behavior. They don't seem to care, and everyone
else suffers because of it. So this would be enormous.
(11:05):
It's got the potential to be enormous. So at this point, anyway,
good on Twiggy.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
But what if I do want to know why Mike
Hoskins producers had to cut as Mike before the break.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Well, you have to do a deep dint on that one.
Why don't you scroll through? Tilliam?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
But I sort of feel like it's a mark of success.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
If your likeness is being used in one of these
scam heads, that you've.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Really made it.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
At that point, they obviously feel like they can use
you to trick people into, you know, clicking on links.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
To health supplements and crypto.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Anyway, I've been hat I don't think i've been involved
in one year.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Other than the.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Fact that often I, you know, they say, find out
why Mike Hoskins. Producers had to cut as Mike. I mean,
I have to cut as Mike so to get him
to stop talking so we can play the news.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
That's the only reason I do that. It's not particularly.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Scandalous anyway, and I'll be back doing that again to morrows.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Then h For more from News Talk set B listen
live on air or online, and keep our shows with
you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Rep ok there and welcome to the rewrap for Tuesday.
All the best butts from the Mic Hosking breakfast on
News Talks.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
He'd be in a sillier package. I am Glen Harten today,
Ossie politics. What's going on? The thumb and a suit
is gaining in popularity? How can that be?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Trump is immune or at least partially immune?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
How did that happen?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And is there anything at all that we can do
about the scheme ads on Facebook? But before any of that,
law and order and the coalition government's Q two plans
generally have they delivered?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Let's find out.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
So the end of the month brought the end of
the government's latest action plan, of course, thirty six items,
some of them real, some of the ideas that got
talked about as a piece of imagery full of good
and tea and a reminder as not going basis. The
government is busy, busy, busy, busy, doing lots of stuff. Overall,
I think the government has done a good, too excellent
job in their time and office so far. I would
give them seven out of ten are the fruits or
(01:21):
otherwise of A lot of the stuff that they're up
to will not be seen for a while. The education
reforms are likely many years away. The economy may respond
a little bit later this year. Maybe it's a longer haul.
Who knows survived to twenty five All that stuff you
can see the cops on the street have we just
been talking about. You can feel the intent around crime there.
The tax cuts are arriving as we speak. The jobs
in the public sector have been trimmed, so a mix
(01:41):
of things that have happened, are happening or will happen.
The overarching theme I'm liking, though, is common sense. Oil
and gas for example, No, not the future, but certainly
needed because ideology trapped us into a gap that we
can't fill with wind and sun. That's become plainly obvious.
Common sense and logic replaces ideology. Practical governments tend to
be popular governments. I like the coalition so far. Not ideal,
(02:04):
of course, because three of anything is generally a compromise,
but so fast, so good. And this has come against
a backdrop of no real honeymoon. Don't forget that, And
that is in part because of the extraordinary mess we're
in economically hard to revel in a new administration that's
cutting and pruning and giving out hard economic lessons, and
yet they seem broadly to be doing it reasonably successful.
(02:25):
There's a competence about them as well, based on experience,
whether political or real world. My standouts are for what
they count for whatever, so far Peter's and Seymour. Peter's
is superb on the international stage, or has been superb
on the international stage. Seymour's driving logical, common sense change
in places like far mac willis, by the way, proving
more than up to the job. I would have thought
(02:46):
Stanford may Well turn out to be a rock star.
Not as high profile, of course, but don't underestimate the
size of change coming our way in schools for sheer
entertainment mixed with determination. I love Shane Jones for now.
They seem to have momentum, They have the we inherited
a mess, so we need to fix it. Excuse so
so far as Action Planned two closes, Q three start,
(03:08):
no regrets on getting rid of the last lot?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yes, so I mean I haven't personally been remrated or
gone out of business for self or missed any school
or yes, so that all seems to be working.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Good job, good job government.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Rewrap, but a few rumblings in Australia as far as
their government's concerned, Albanese is down and Dutton thumb and
a suit guy.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Is like New Zealand are speaking of elections. Like New Zealand,
Australia doesn't have many one term governments. Generally speaking, you
get a couple of terms at least three, isn't unheard of.
Beyond that you're making history. Of course, Anthony Albanese was
a shoe in for two at least until last week.
Suddenly he wasn't Peter Dutton, the leader of the oppositions,
overtaking the prime minister as preferred prime minister. That in
(03:58):
itself is a little short of a miracle. Dutton isn't
particularly pleasant or fun or lovable or likable. He's not
the sort of bloke you'd invite for beers, and yet
here he is. What's also remarkable, he's done it on
a couple of things. One alban easy in the fact
he's hopeless. He has the economy in the cost of
living crisis. He has the mess around the detainees, the
illegal migrants, and the courts and the rearrests and the
drama you may or may not have been following. So
(04:19):
in that Dutton has been lucky. But the other bit
is the new clear debate. The nuclear debate was driven
by the announcement that the coalition the opposition will pull
Australia out of the Paris Accord, not because they don't
want to help the planet, but because they argue it's
not realistic. The gap is too big, the promise is
too grandiose, and that level of common sense seems to
have landed well with your average Australian. Next step, what
(04:40):
are we doing to fill that gap? If it's not
coal or gas? Answer? Nuclear? What a call. But and
here's the stunning bit, it hasn't been blown out of
the water. It hasn't been automatically and hysterically rejected. That
too as an idea seems to have landed reasonably well
with your average Aussie. Next thing, you know, Dutton's the
preferred Prime minister. Maw the election elbow doesn't have to
go until next year, but increasingly they argue this year
(05:02):
is a real possibility. What was not long ago a cakewalk,
a showIn a fore god conclusion is now a line
call a race, and did I suggest one of the
one that the Labor government might will increasingly be afraid of.
A lot of the world is watching Nigel Farage and
what he's done in the UK by way of upending
the whole contest. But as spectacular as that is, he
(05:23):
won't be PM Peter Dutton from nowhere just might.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I don't find anything likable about Dutton at all. I
don't really know anything about their policiesword anything like that.
I just if he Tybe appears on screen, I just
get a sort of a job of the heart feeling anyway,
rerap right and more rumblings in America in the wake
of the Supreme Court decision, Trump.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Was responsible for appointing a few of those justices, so
surprisingly instead of gone his.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Way, Donald Trump, presumptive immunity. You cannot overstate what has
happened here at the Supreme Court. The president is not
above the law. This is John Roberts. But under our
system of separated powers, the president may not be prosecuted
for exercising his core constitutional powers, and he is entitled
to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution from his official acts.
(06:22):
So do went off, Kotanji Brown, Jackson went off, and
Roberts had to strike. Becky said, they strike a tone
of chilling doom that is wholly disproportionate to what the
court actually does today. So do my or and Jackson
off are also, he said, no constitutional basis for rejecting
the idea that a president should have such immunity. The
key to this is when's he a president, when's he not?
(06:46):
And with a guy like Trump, you Trump's ever going
to not be president. I'm always president. I'm always president,
is what he will say.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
So anyway, I think.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's hard to get into the netting gritty of exactly
what this means for Trump, but I think what it
means is that they are are lower courts that will
now make the decision of the Supreme Court on some
of these cases. So I don't know that he's home
free yet, but he.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Probably still rewrapped.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Now we've got an old chestnut here, a favorite of Mike's.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Facebook and their scam ads.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I think he's given up there's nothing and just accepted
there's nothing he can do.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
But not everybody has.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Just before we Leavepe. The European Commission yet again talking
to Meta, this is ad supported subscription options. It's what
they call a pay or consent model. So as a user,
you have to either pay to use a platform ad free,
or consent to their data being processed or your data
being process for personalized advertising. So they introduced the service
(07:47):
for Facebook and Insta last year in Europe. This was
in response to regulatory concerns over privacy, of course, so
they now face potentially fine of up to thirteen billion
dollars because they think they could be not they but
the EU thinks they could be in breach of the
anti trust rules. Yet again, they've been accused of failing
to comply with the blocks antitrust rules. In the Commission's
(08:09):
preliminary view, I mean, it's hard to keep up with this,
the number of times these guys get dragged before various
official you know, whether it be in America or Europe.
I mean, you can't blame the politicians for not trying,
but Jesus, it seems to be going on. There's a
lot of them anyway. And the Commission's preliminary view, this
binary choice forces users to consent to the combination of
their personal data and fails to provide them with a
(08:32):
less personalized but equivalent version of metas social network. So
I don't know where they go there, but it does
bring us very nicely to Andrew Forrest Twiggy, they call
them out of wa He is and was involved in
Super Rugby, but a billionaire and he's been to court
with Facebook as well, and he's won in the US.
(08:53):
This is and this promises to what they call pis
the US laws that have cloaked Facebook's business from harm
on the platform. So what he was after is all
of the dodgy operators on the platform, how you get
to them, how you control them, how you regulate them.
So this was a US court last month. It would
(09:13):
consider whether the well in this case, Facebook breached its
duty to the public by allowing fraudulent advertisements to appear
on the platform. This came out of Twiggy. I mean,
anyone who's got I'm sure you're not surprised by this,
but anyone you were in the world basically is it got.
Even the remotest profiles has somehow, some way, shape or
form been part of a scam advertising. I include myself
(09:35):
many times over and the Great debate is whether you
do what I do and just go it is what
it is and what can you possibly do? Or you
do what Twiggy does and go bugger this. I'm going
to take them to court. So they had cause for
action under California common law to claim for misappropriation of
his name and likeness. So MET is going to be
forced to reveal some information on the inner workings of
(09:58):
their advertising platform. In other words, how does this happen?
And do they know? And if they knew, why don't
they do something about it. So over about six months
to December of twenty twenty three, there were seventeen hundred
new fraudulent ads, including crypto scams, posted on Facebook, aided
and abetted by ten to fifteen fake Andrew Forrest's Facebook
(10:19):
profiles popping up each and every week to support them.
So it is the first time, and this is what's
important about it, the first time that any party has
successfully pierced what they call Section two thirty of the
Communications Decency Act, which was enacted by Clinton back in
the nineties. So it's an old los so Clinton would
have gone, look, I've done my best. There it is,
that's your law, there's your protection everyone else skirts around it.
(10:42):
Meta doesn't say whether they're going to appeal, but their
advertising comes into one hundred and thirty four billion dollars,
and it's sort of dubtails into the debate we're having
in this country and the media landscape whereby these guys
simply do whatever they want to do, no one regulates them,
no one seems to be able to get on top
of their behavior. They don't seem to care, and everyone
else suffers because of it. So this would be enormous.
(11:05):
It's got the potential to be enormous. So at this point, anyway,
good on Twiggy.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
But what if I do want to know why Mike
Hoskins producers had to cut as Mike before the break.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Well, you have to do a deep dint on that one.
Why don't you scroll through? Tilliam?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
But I sort of feel like it's a mark of success.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
If your likeness is being used in one of these
scam heads, that you've.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Really made it.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
At that point, they obviously feel like they can use
you to trick people into, you know, clicking on links.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
To health supplements and crypto.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Anyway, I've been hat I don't think i've been involved
in one year.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Other than the.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Fact that often I, you know, they say, find out
why Mike Hoskins. Producers had to cut as Mike. I mean,
I have to cut as Mike so to get him
to stop talking so we can play the news.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
That's the only reason I do that. It's not particularly.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Scandalous anyway, and I'll be back doing that again to morrows.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Then h For more from News Talk set B listen
live on air or online, and keep our shows with
you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
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