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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk SEDB. Follow
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The Rerap.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay there and welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday, all
the best bets from the mic asking breakfast on News
Talks ed BE and a Sillier package. I am van
Harten today. So the changes, the modifications, the improvements to
the education system, what's might making them? All of those
key rerail in public transport? They are lost cause? But
(00:49):
first up, calling snap elections has there ever worked ever
for anyone.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I think it's fair to suggest that the business of
snap elections is not turning out to be the cure
all that some suggests they have the potential to voot. Macron,
of course, on a fit of peak after the euro vote,
decided heading off to the polls in short order with
some sort of realbity check for the voter, And as
we have seen over the weekend and will most likely
see this coming weekend, it didn't work. A Rishis Sonic too,
(01:15):
decided that an election no one saw coming would take
so many people by surprise, namely as opponents, that he
could save his beleagued administration from destruction. Obviously it ain't over,
but let's be honest, it's over, and there has been
no indication from anyone anywhere that it isn't going to
be the blood bath most had thought it would be.
Trudeau tried it in the middle of COVID you might remember,
(01:35):
remember that failed as well. He got back, but the
plan was to get back with the majority, not the
minority he went into the election with. He still got
a minority, so it didn't work. As always, a lot
of analytics will be at play why things played out
the way they did, but in this race, there isn't
a lot of nuance. Your answer basically is time. It
doesn't matter who you are or what you've done. If
(01:56):
you are serving at the will of the people, time
will get you one way or another. Of course your
record counts, of course it does. But the clue that
time is the ultimate arbiter is in what the outgoing
party gets replaced with. Kostarmer leads a vastly better version
of the British Labour Party than Jeremy Corbyn did, so
in that sense he can quite rightly claim to have
reformed it. But it was such a basket case that
(02:17):
trick wasn't particularly hard to pull off. But whatever it
is they are these days doesn't really matter, the same
way that whatever it was the New Zealand Labor Party
was in twenty twenty didn't really matter. People don't pay
attention to the detail. Will they should, but they don't.
They either don't care, or they don't inquire, or both
(02:37):
in both are dangerous. Which is not to say the
British Labor government will be a disaster. Maybe they will,
maybe they won't. Forces well beyond governments control or tends
to shape the national mood of the day unless you
are particularly bad, famously bad, historically bad, as New Zealand
Labor very quickly showed twenty twenty through twenty twenty three.
But it is a lesson in not looking for too
(02:58):
much MINUTII to explain a demise tick is about as
complicated as it gets.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I don't think I'll ever get the image of Rishi
standing out there the rain calling that election. If anything
was the opposite of a power move, that was it
a rewrap anywhile back here, so standardized testing, a hardline onsurancy.
(03:26):
Stuff like that. A turnaround moment for the education system.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
The uplifting story of the week I reckon for me
is this thirty percent drop and parents taking kids out
of school for holidays. It's a single metric, I get it.
It's one travel agent will be at a big one.
And it's hardly scientific. I understand that, and that's not
about to be published in Lancet. But it's an insight
into what might be happening, and even if it's remotely accurate,
it is a sign of several things. Firstly, the power
(03:52):
and the necessity of government. Think about it all. David
cymore Seed back in February was get your kids to school,
harden up. We will start keeping data. We will hold
schools and you to account and like magic, a problem
if not solved, we're starting to get addressed. A government
is leadership, and leadership in many many areas is clearly needed,
which is a bit depressing for a person like me.
(04:13):
I like to believe in self determination and self starting
more you less government. But in a collective sense, we're
only as strong as the weakest link. And in social
experiment terms, what we have seen in recent years in
all sorts of areas is if you let the discipline
and the leadership slip, all social hell breaks loose the
presence of police. It works, as we heard the Copper
say on the program this week, it's based on the
British system, which is over one hundred years old. Presents
(04:35):
and visibility works. Not hard are the testing in schools
they announced yesterday. That'll have the same effect. If you
offer excuses, if you can't be bothered, if you let
the guidelines slip, there are those who will revel in
being ordinary, if not hopeless. You could, and I do,
argue that schools should have driven this absentee as an
argument themselves, but they didn't. But when they were told to,
it works. What a surprise. Cell phones and schools, the
(04:57):
calamitous mess they predicted. No you haven't heard a peep,
have you?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Why?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Because it works. All it needed was a bit of
discipline and a bit of leadership. These are the small
battles where the tangible outworkings provide hope. A lot of
people wondered and wondered, very loudly, whether the state of
this country was so bad it might take years to fix,
if it was even possible to fix it all. Well,
these examples this week, I think are a good guy
that we might actually be seeing some fruits of some labor.
(05:24):
Keep it simple, work hard, expect more, you'll be amazed.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I have a daughter who's considering, or have considering, getting
into teaching, and she thinks the hours will suit her.
She doesn't like the idea if they go to work,
you know, five days a week, eight hours a day.
She just thinks that sounds a bit texting rewrap. And indeed,
(05:49):
some people in the education community seem to think that
the having too many tests, especially sanitized tests, might be
a bit stressful for the kids taking part.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Like once again a school principle shows that the ideological
position they take is about social change, not about education.
You know, I want to be honest, I'm sick and
tired of it. I am bored witless by listening to
the education sector, a failed sector who will not recognize
their failure or even begin to accept it and therefore
look to do something different. It is the same boring
(06:23):
line over and over again. They run this line of
band anxiety. God forbid their children should be anxious about
a test. Let's cotton woo them for the rest of
their lives. God forbid that we actually measure ourselves against anything.
And if it wasn't so obviously broken. This is the
thing that infuriates me. It's not like there's a debate
(06:46):
around whether the education system in this country is broken.
It's broken. Look at the kids who don't go to school.
Look at the kids who do go to school but
leave school at fifteen or sixteen years old without a
qualification to their name. Look at these kids who aren't
in education, or aren't in training, or aren't in school
at the age of sixteen, seventeen to eighteen. They're abject
social failures and time bombs for the rest of the US.
(07:08):
Their lives for this country cost of billions of dollars.
But all the while, know what we're doing and all
able to do is the union's ask for more money.
Just we want more money. We want to pay the
teachers more, and we want more support, more of this
and more of that. And all we're doing is trying
to do something different. If something is so obviously broken,
do something different.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, I've sort of waved around a bit on this one,
to be honest. I mean, if you've ever listened to
me talk about the education system on any of my
podcasts before, you know I'm not a fan and I
never have been it's not a recent development. When I
was in the education system as a student, I hated
it and it didn't really work for me in the end,
(07:48):
and I ended up leaving it prematurely. I don't know
if it was because of any anxiety, because of testing.
And I tend to agree with Mike to a degree
that if you never experience anxiety, then one day you're
going to somewhere in life and then you won't be
(08:08):
ready for it and you won't know what to do.
That's true. I don't know if I'm really a fan
of making kids anxious as part of their learning experience either.
It doesn't seem a great idea. But anyway, like I say,
I'm gonna know nothing. Bozo who didn't even finish school,
So what do I know? It's a rewrap we're going
(08:31):
to finish up here. Well, we started talking public transport
and then it's got into the netty gritty of what's
been going wrong at KiwiRail.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Morning my public transport in Norkland's joke. All trains canceled,
no alerts on the app. Have you heard anything, Graham?
What we're doing now is looking at changing the way
we deal with public transport on this program. What we're
going to do is let you know when it's running,
and by doing that we'll be sort of talking about
a lot less often. I think that's the best way
we can do. I knowe the Herald's running the story
this morning that the inter Islander very stabilizer, the stabilizer
(09:00):
Finn was missing for more than eighteen months, so a
bit wobbly, but at least it was moving. I mean,
it's hard not to tell these stories without laughing.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I mean we should do that, definitely with the fairies.
Oh there's a fery running today.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
It's definitely today, exactly go now, because very good piece
of writing by Georgina Campbell yesterday out of the Capital
about the government writing to Kiwi Rail and you got
to the more you look into Kiwi Rail, the more
troubled you've got to be. And I'll come to their
conclusion in a minute, and potentially how delusional they are.
They employed Mackenzie. This is way Willis got involved. They
employed Mackenzie and Company, which is a you know, it's
(09:35):
a consultancy firm to look at all sorts of business.
And that bill was apparently she's not allowed to say
it out loud. I don't know why, but anyway, they
asked her the other day, they said how much weare
their spinish goes. I've been told I'm not allowed to
say the number out loud, and I thought, why, why
the hell not? What are you key? You're the one
in the gun for this. It was, as I understand,
was eight million dollars and at which point you looked
at it and went to the board and went, are
(09:56):
you serious? So anyway, they're right to the Kiwi Rail
people we have and you know what's happened. The chairman's
gone early and the other board members are designing left,
right and center. We have serious questions about where the
Kirii Rail operating under its current business model, we'll be
able to operate without going ongoing dependence on the government
subsidies and support see Keiwi Rail. I think this is
probably a surprise to most of us. Has a target
(10:18):
to achieve commercial self sustainability. This is the very same
company that were wanting to spend while they thought hundreds
of millions of dollars, but it turned out to be
billions of dollars on these new fairies, and the twenty
percent of the cost was the fairies. Eighty percent of
the cost was the infrastructure on the land. And the
only reason I know this is because they kept writing
(10:39):
to the government for more money. So this is a
this is a company that's going to be sustainable and
profitable and successful. But in the meantime, if we could
just have a couple of hundred million dollars, actually, can
we have a couple of hundred million more dollars? Actually
it's blown out three and a half billion dollars? Do
you mind? Grant? Even Grant Robertson at three and a
half billion went, ah, you serious. So there's two governments
now saying the same thing to them anyway, Reedy Peter,
(11:03):
who's the boss. He says, despite the tough economic cycle
climate or the economic climate, KEI we rail self sustainable
target remain the objective of the board in the management.
So the problem with saying something like that, and this
is my ongoing concern with New Zealand Inc. In general,
is saying it doesn't make it true. And that's what
we learned from the Labor government of the last six years.
Just because you say it doesn't make it real. So
(11:26):
you can sit down until you're blue in the face
as the head of Kiwi Rail and Go. It's our objective,
even though you're writing to the minister asking for hundreds
of millions, if not billions of dollars, and it's blatantly
clear you aren't sustainable idiots.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Next you'll be telling me you can't push water uphell
to generate power, and tell you what, and you can't
sell carbon for thousands and thousands of dollars of credit.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I could give them that advice and save. I'd do
it for seven million, no problems at all. You're a
million better off.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You know how we keep finding out how nothing works
properly and everything's just a mess of money per and yeah,
and that probably never will work properly. Do you think
that's always been the case? Like it never has actually
worked properly, and we just sort of never really looked
at it hard enough, put it under enough scrutiny, and that,
(12:22):
you know, comparatively, the money pit, you know, you know
it was always there. It's just that I don't know,
due to inflation, the money pit is exponentially bigger than
it used to be. I wonder if that's the case anyway.
I am Glenn Hart. That was the rewrap, Please come
(12:44):
back tomorrow and listen to me ask more dumb questions
like that.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's even for more from news talks that'd be listen
live on air or online. And keep our shows with
you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk SEDB. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
The Rerap.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay there and welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday, all
the best bets from the mic asking breakfast on News
Talks ed BE and a Sillier package. I am van
Harten today. So the changes, the modifications, the improvements to
the education system, what's might making them? All of those
key rerail in public transport? They are lost cause? But
(00:49):
first up, calling snap elections has there ever worked ever
for anyone.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I think it's fair to suggest that the business of
snap elections is not turning out to be the cure
all that some suggests they have the potential to voot. Macron,
of course, on a fit of peak after the euro vote,
decided heading off to the polls in short order with
some sort of realbity check for the voter, And as
we have seen over the weekend and will most likely
see this coming weekend, it didn't work. A Rishis Sonic too,
(01:15):
decided that an election no one saw coming would take
so many people by surprise, namely as opponents, that he
could save his beleagued administration from destruction. Obviously it ain't over,
but let's be honest, it's over, and there has been
no indication from anyone anywhere that it isn't going to
be the blood bath most had thought it would be.
Trudeau tried it in the middle of COVID you might remember,
(01:35):
remember that failed as well. He got back, but the
plan was to get back with the majority, not the
minority he went into the election with. He still got
a minority, so it didn't work. As always, a lot
of analytics will be at play why things played out
the way they did, but in this race, there isn't
a lot of nuance. Your answer basically is time. It
doesn't matter who you are or what you've done. If
(01:56):
you are serving at the will of the people, time
will get you one way or another. Of course your
record counts, of course it does. But the clue that
time is the ultimate arbiter is in what the outgoing
party gets replaced with. Kostarmer leads a vastly better version
of the British Labour Party than Jeremy Corbyn did, so
in that sense he can quite rightly claim to have
reformed it. But it was such a basket case that
(02:17):
trick wasn't particularly hard to pull off. But whatever it
is they are these days doesn't really matter, the same
way that whatever it was the New Zealand Labor Party
was in twenty twenty didn't really matter. People don't pay
attention to the detail. Will they should, but they don't.
They either don't care, or they don't inquire, or both
(02:37):
in both are dangerous. Which is not to say the
British Labor government will be a disaster. Maybe they will,
maybe they won't. Forces well beyond governments control or tends
to shape the national mood of the day unless you
are particularly bad, famously bad, historically bad, as New Zealand
Labor very quickly showed twenty twenty through twenty twenty three.
But it is a lesson in not looking for too
(02:58):
much MINUTII to explain a demise tick is about as
complicated as it gets.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I don't think I'll ever get the image of Rishi
standing out there the rain calling that election. If anything
was the opposite of a power move, that was it
a rewrap anywhile back here, so standardized testing, a hardline onsurancy.
(03:26):
Stuff like that. A turnaround moment for the education system.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
The uplifting story of the week I reckon for me
is this thirty percent drop and parents taking kids out
of school for holidays. It's a single metric, I get it.
It's one travel agent will be at a big one.
And it's hardly scientific. I understand that, and that's not
about to be published in Lancet. But it's an insight
into what might be happening, and even if it's remotely accurate,
it is a sign of several things. Firstly, the power
(03:52):
and the necessity of government. Think about it all. David
cymore Seed back in February was get your kids to school,
harden up. We will start keeping data. We will hold
schools and you to account and like magic, a problem
if not solved, we're starting to get addressed. A government
is leadership, and leadership in many many areas is clearly needed,
which is a bit depressing for a person like me.
(04:13):
I like to believe in self determination and self starting
more you less government. But in a collective sense, we're
only as strong as the weakest link. And in social
experiment terms, what we have seen in recent years in
all sorts of areas is if you let the discipline
and the leadership slip, all social hell breaks loose the
presence of police. It works, as we heard the Copper
say on the program this week, it's based on the
British system, which is over one hundred years old. Presents
(04:35):
and visibility works. Not hard are the testing in schools
they announced yesterday. That'll have the same effect. If you
offer excuses, if you can't be bothered, if you let
the guidelines slip, there are those who will revel in
being ordinary, if not hopeless. You could, and I do,
argue that schools should have driven this absentee as an
argument themselves, but they didn't. But when they were told to,
it works. What a surprise. Cell phones and schools, the
(04:57):
calamitous mess they predicted. No you haven't heard a peep,
have you?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Why?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Because it works. All it needed was a bit of
discipline and a bit of leadership. These are the small
battles where the tangible outworkings provide hope. A lot of
people wondered and wondered, very loudly, whether the state of
this country was so bad it might take years to fix,
if it was even possible to fix it all. Well,
these examples this week, I think are a good guy
that we might actually be seeing some fruits of some labor.
(05:24):
Keep it simple, work hard, expect more, you'll be amazed.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I have a daughter who's considering, or have considering, getting
into teaching, and she thinks the hours will suit her.
She doesn't like the idea if they go to work,
you know, five days a week, eight hours a day.
She just thinks that sounds a bit texting rewrap. And indeed,
(05:49):
some people in the education community seem to think that
the having too many tests, especially sanitized tests, might be
a bit stressful for the kids taking part.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Like once again a school principle shows that the ideological
position they take is about social change, not about education.
You know, I want to be honest, I'm sick and
tired of it. I am bored witless by listening to
the education sector, a failed sector who will not recognize
their failure or even begin to accept it and therefore
look to do something different. It is the same boring
(06:23):
line over and over again. They run this line of
band anxiety. God forbid their children should be anxious about
a test. Let's cotton woo them for the rest of
their lives. God forbid that we actually measure ourselves against anything.
And if it wasn't so obviously broken. This is the
thing that infuriates me. It's not like there's a debate
(06:46):
around whether the education system in this country is broken.
It's broken. Look at the kids who don't go to school.
Look at the kids who do go to school but
leave school at fifteen or sixteen years old without a
qualification to their name. Look at these kids who aren't
in education, or aren't in training, or aren't in school
at the age of sixteen, seventeen to eighteen. They're abject
social failures and time bombs for the rest of the US.
(07:08):
Their lives for this country cost of billions of dollars.
But all the while, know what we're doing and all
able to do is the union's ask for more money.
Just we want more money. We want to pay the
teachers more, and we want more support, more of this
and more of that. And all we're doing is trying
to do something different. If something is so obviously broken,
do something different.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, I've sort of waved around a bit on this one,
to be honest. I mean, if you've ever listened to
me talk about the education system on any of my
podcasts before, you know I'm not a fan and I
never have been it's not a recent development. When I
was in the education system as a student, I hated
it and it didn't really work for me in the end,
(07:48):
and I ended up leaving it prematurely. I don't know
if it was because of any anxiety, because of testing.
And I tend to agree with Mike to a degree
that if you never experience anxiety, then one day you're
going to somewhere in life and then you won't be
(08:08):
ready for it and you won't know what to do.
That's true. I don't know if I'm really a fan
of making kids anxious as part of their learning experience either.
It doesn't seem a great idea. But anyway, like I say,
I'm gonna know nothing. Bozo who didn't even finish school,
So what do I know? It's a rewrap we're going
(08:31):
to finish up here. Well, we started talking public transport
and then it's got into the netty gritty of what's
been going wrong at KiwiRail.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Morning my public transport in Norkland's joke. All trains canceled,
no alerts on the app. Have you heard anything, Graham?
What we're doing now is looking at changing the way
we deal with public transport on this program. What we're
going to do is let you know when it's running,
and by doing that we'll be sort of talking about
a lot less often. I think that's the best way
we can do. I knowe the Herald's running the story
this morning that the inter Islander very stabilizer, the stabilizer
(09:00):
Finn was missing for more than eighteen months, so a
bit wobbly, but at least it was moving. I mean,
it's hard not to tell these stories without laughing.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I mean we should do that, definitely with the fairies.
Oh there's a fery running today.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
It's definitely today, exactly go now, because very good piece
of writing by Georgina Campbell yesterday out of the Capital
about the government writing to Kiwi Rail and you got
to the more you look into Kiwi Rail, the more
troubled you've got to be. And I'll come to their
conclusion in a minute, and potentially how delusional they are.
They employed Mackenzie. This is way Willis got involved. They
employed Mackenzie and Company, which is a you know, it's
(09:35):
a consultancy firm to look at all sorts of business.
And that bill was apparently she's not allowed to say
it out loud. I don't know why, but anyway, they
asked her the other day, they said how much weare
their spinish goes. I've been told I'm not allowed to
say the number out loud, and I thought, why, why
the hell not? What are you key? You're the one
in the gun for this. It was, as I understand,
was eight million dollars and at which point you looked
at it and went to the board and went, are
(09:56):
you serious? So anyway, they're right to the Kiwi Rail
people we have and you know what's happened. The chairman's
gone early and the other board members are designing left,
right and center. We have serious questions about where the
Kirii Rail operating under its current business model, we'll be
able to operate without going ongoing dependence on the government
subsidies and support see Keiwi Rail. I think this is
probably a surprise to most of us. Has a target
(10:18):
to achieve commercial self sustainability. This is the very same
company that were wanting to spend while they thought hundreds
of millions of dollars, but it turned out to be
billions of dollars on these new fairies, and the twenty
percent of the cost was the fairies. Eighty percent of
the cost was the infrastructure on the land. And the
only reason I know this is because they kept writing
(10:39):
to the government for more money. So this is a
this is a company that's going to be sustainable and
profitable and successful. But in the meantime, if we could
just have a couple of hundred million dollars, actually, can
we have a couple of hundred million more dollars? Actually
it's blown out three and a half billion dollars? Do
you mind? Grant? Even Grant Robertson at three and a
half billion went, ah, you serious. So there's two governments
now saying the same thing to them anyway, Reedy Peter,
(11:03):
who's the boss. He says, despite the tough economic cycle
climate or the economic climate, KEI we rail self sustainable
target remain the objective of the board in the management.
So the problem with saying something like that, and this
is my ongoing concern with New Zealand Inc. In general,
is saying it doesn't make it true. And that's what
we learned from the Labor government of the last six years.
Just because you say it doesn't make it real. So
(11:26):
you can sit down until you're blue in the face
as the head of Kiwi Rail and Go. It's our objective,
even though you're writing to the minister asking for hundreds
of millions, if not billions of dollars, and it's blatantly
clear you aren't sustainable idiots.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Next you'll be telling me you can't push water uphell
to generate power, and tell you what, and you can't
sell carbon for thousands and thousands of dollars of credit.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I could give them that advice and save. I'd do
it for seven million, no problems at all. You're a
million better off.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You know how we keep finding out how nothing works
properly and everything's just a mess of money per and yeah,
and that probably never will work properly. Do you think
that's always been the case? Like it never has actually
worked properly, and we just sort of never really looked
at it hard enough, put it under enough scrutiny, and that,
(12:22):
you know, comparatively, the money pit, you know, you know
it was always there. It's just that I don't know,
due to inflation, the money pit is exponentially bigger than
it used to be. I wonder if that's the case anyway.
I am Glenn Hart. That was the rewrap, Please come
(12:44):
back tomorrow and listen to me ask more dumb questions
like that.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's even for more from news talks that'd be listen
live on air or online. And keep our shows with
you wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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