July 24, 2024 • 10 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Thursday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Not the International Reputation We Were Hoping For/The Health NZ Cluster/Maybe Leave the Kiwi Out of Rail/Shower Wars/Picking Memories
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talks EDB. Follow
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh goody there and welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday.
All the best, but it's from the microsting breakfast on
News Talks EDB and a Sillier package. I am Glen
Hart and today we've got the Health New Zealand wash
up and man as it washed up Wellington Rail. The
government's injecting some more resource i e. Money into it.
(00:46):
Is that going to work? Shower wars continue and Mike
Peck tomatoes. But before any of that, oh, the abuse
and Kia report. Man, this is making headlines all over
the world with up to two hundred thousand people being
possible victims. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
So the hopeful part in this Royal Commission into Abuse
in care seems to be everyone who can now do
something about it starts on the same page. There seems
universal agreement. We have a national disgrace. It never should
have happened, and redresses needed as fast as possible. It
hopefully means for now. Anyway, those who have told their
stories know that they have been heard and are believed
(01:22):
and what happens next is the bit that could go
well or not. Early signs yesterday, as the Prime Minister
and the minister tasked with leading this area are Rika Stampadi,
if you have just heard, gave their initial responses was
that agendas were already at play. If you watch the
press conference, which I found interesting, a number of questions
were asked about gangs. Some members of gangs are the
victims of the abuse in the report. The other questions
(01:44):
were around potential legal action. How that is handled is
going to be critical given the report deals with events
up until broadly speaking about nineteen ninety nine, that comparatively speaking,
is very recent past, and there are those still working
in government departments that were allegedly involved in this abuse
or in the Lake Alice case torture. The legal system,
as I suggested to Eric or a moment ago, isn't
(02:05):
well acquainted with the sort of charges that might well
come out of that, not to mention the level of
detail involved in criminal investigations and the complexities around say
a case in nineteen fifty nine and its evidence and
its witnesses versus nineteen ninety nine, almost two generations later,
where it could get ugly I think around gangs and
the Prime Minister to try to walk the line carefully.
Yesterday was the suggestion that this government, in their gang crackdown,
(02:28):
might have misread why we have gangs, that gangs are
an outworking of abuse, and therefore the hardline approach this
government is taking might be a bit brutish. Perhaps we
could put it this way, Not all victims became gang members,
not all victims turned to crime, not all victims went
on to terrorize communities, pedal drugs and cause mayhem. So
although what happened to these people cannot be excused in
(02:49):
any way, neither can your background be excused for joining
a gang and illegal activity. But that is not going
to stop the narrative, of course, and the politics of
all of this, so watch out for that. Yesterday, though,
it was a decent and honorable day because it was
driven by acceptance and intent. What the government does, how
they do it, to what extent they do it is
the far more tricky journey, and that has only just begun.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And it's just when you think about, like, as a
percentage of our population, how many people that has touched
and affected, it's just it's pretty crazy. We had Erica
Stanford on this morning and she basically said, well, it's
everywhere like that somehow, you know, it lets the government
off the hook. We're trying to do something about it. No, no, no, no,
I don't think we want to abduce anywhere. But the
(03:36):
scale of the issue it's for on rerap, the scale
of the cluster that has Health New Zealand formally to
fuck the aura? Where did they go from here? How
did they get here?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Now, accepting that what the government has told us about
Health New Zealand might not be one hundred percent accurate,
In other words, this mystery one hundred and thirty million
dollars over spent per month didn't in fact come out
of nowhere, it is nevertheless worth asking the question, how
many people sit on boards with not a lot of
knowledge of what's actually going on? How many people sit
on boards with the accompanying stature and reputation that comes
(04:08):
with such a position, but in reality they're a bit
ordinary if you put them to the test. Is it
not remarkable to see how many people on boards whose
only skills of the fact they held public office for
a while. I mean, no more remarkable, I suppose than
those who hold mayoral change around the country for no
other reason that they're pretty well known. Therefore that becomes
a ticket to lead a city or indeed a place
(04:30):
on reality television. But then in those cases it's as
a result of democracy, and the weakness of democracy is
brain power is not a criteria for participation. When it
comes to boards people doing the appointing, you would like
to think know what they're doing. The change in our
people we've seen from the new government with boards for
Housing New Zealand, for farm ac Kei we Rail and
our Health New Zealand indicate to me a couple of things.
(04:52):
Both are worrying. Some seem to be there because they
were political appointments and as such shared a worldview, not
a business one about what they were supposed to be doing.
Our Housing New Zealand in particular has been found shockingly
wanting in terms of debt, in terms of behavior as
a landlord, in terms of distorting the market around property purchasing,
and yet the board seem happy to collect their pay.
Did they did they think they were doing a good job.
(05:14):
How's that possible? How can a Health New Zealand board
not see the level of debt unfolding before their eyes.
And if they couldn't, were they asking any questions? Are
the government's claim of fourteen layers of management? Did they
think that was normal, acceptable, efficient? Or they didn't know
or they didn't care. It's a lot of dysfunction overseen
by people who appeared to just be watching on Kiwi
(05:35):
Rail that were telling the government one day seven hundred
million dollars. Oh no, whoops, it's three point four billion.
How's that possible? How's that possible? And is it because
it's the public sector? Is it because it's political, or
is it because there's a lot of people there for
all the wrong reasons and simply not up to much.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I honestly, and I think I've expressed this before, but
it bears repeating. I honestly can't think of anything worse
than being on a board because for me, it's spelled
the ed. It's just meeting. That's your whole job is
to just go to meetings. My most hated thing in
the world, ugh rewrap. Of course, Mike mention Kiwi Rail
(06:16):
in there as well, And unfortunately, I think there might
be a connection to this next bit of semi good news.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Announcestairs of seven o'clock this morning the Lower North Island.
Good news for you guys. Commuter rail is coming up.
While it's already there, just doesn't work that well. So
the Government of throwing eight one hundred and two million
dollars into the wire Rapper and Manuwatu into the rail
funding agreement with New Zealand Transport, KiwiRail and the Greater
Wellington Horizons Regional Councils. We're getting eighteen four car units
totaling seventy two cars, going to double the peak services
(06:47):
on both lines, additional off peak services as well, fifteen
minute travel time savings. This is Wellington, Masterton, this is
the whole. You can live in the wire Rapper and commute.
Increase speeds on the wire Rapper line from ninety ks
to one hundred and ten kilometers per hour. They're trying
to be modern and the money is behind it, which
is good.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well do you think that those people hearing that, though,
are thinking, oh, can we just leave Kiwi Rail out
of the Maybe? I mean I know that they probably
want to be involved, given that their name is Kiwi Rail.
Just seems like everything they attach lately it turns to castard.
So I can't help thinking that the rail might actually
work better with a little bit less Kiwi rewrap. Now,
(07:24):
so we started some shower wars yesterday. If I can
just take you back to this discussion Mark and I
were having on air. I just get really sick of
them going on and on and on about cold showers like
it's the cure all for everything. And it suddenly occurred
to me that there's probably just as many benefits to
having a hot shower is there out of a cold shower,
But nobody ever talks about that.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Mike just woken up with a lot of noise coming
from our on suite, wondering what the hell was going on.
I'm sure the neighbors would have heard. Turns out my
darling husband was trialing out the Mike Hoskin cold shower trick.
I'm not convinced. Love you show adell, you will be
His skin will freshen up, he'll look before you know,
he'll drop weight, his skin will freshen up, his hair
will look lustrous, You'll find him more appealing and attractive.
(08:06):
Your marriage will improve, and you will say so.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And after yesterday's discussion, here's my suggestion is that is
that that corresponder there that she should try my warm
shower method or she probably is put it up against
the husband's cold shower method, and who to see who
gets the better night's sleep and has the better skin?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Okay, game on, stay in touch.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And I've decided I'm going to start doing that with
all sorts of things that Mike talks about, Like the
next time he brings up the Malayan salt, for example,
and maybe I should just bring up the advantages of
not eating sold at all, which possibly outweigh the advantages
of leading him alays it sold rerat. We're also talking
(08:50):
today about the effect that the ETS has had on
produce growers. It's gonna say manufacturers, but they're not really
manufacturing it, are but growing it. Anyway. We did an
interview on that and that got Mike and a sort
of a reminiscent mood.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I picked tomatoes as a kid in my uncle's glasshouse.
He ran a commercial operation. And I'll tell you what,
the biggest money I ever ruined. I will never forget
the day he was away on holiday for a couple
of and I was maybe I was ten, maybe I
was eleven. So you're talking forty years ago and I
picked tomatoes and looked after his greenhouse for him for
a couple of weeks. And he came back from holiday,
and I was expecting. I didn't know what to expect
(09:29):
my way of payment, but I was expecting, you know,
maybe five six, seven dollars. You got to go back,
you know, forty years ago. Anyway, comes to the back door,
my old uncle Gordon. And there he is at the
back door, and he pulls out a fresh cris twenty
dollar bill. I have never seen more money in my life.
I momentarily was loaded.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
But smelling of tomatoes probably this They do smell you.
Next time you meet a tomato, you smell it. I'm
talking about one on the vine. Looked weird, kind of
not as bad as asparagus. I picked asparagus when I
was a kid, and that I still closed my eyes
and I can see those weird alien plants to up
(10:08):
one by one in a row, and then when it rained,
you'd just ended up with asparagus juice all over you
and smell like it's an asparagus for days. Oh yeah,
this is PTSD that I'm sharing with you now, Thanks
for listening. I am glean Hart. This is my support group,
and we'll be back with another session tomorrow. I really
appreciate the support.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
For more from News Talk st B. Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talks EDB. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio Rewrap.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh goody there and welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday.
All the best, but it's from the microsting breakfast on
News Talks EDB and a Sillier package. I am Glen
Hart and today we've got the Health New Zealand wash
up and man as it washed up Wellington Rail. The
government's injecting some more resource i e. Money into it.
(00:46):
Is that going to work? Shower wars continue and Mike
Peck tomatoes. But before any of that, oh, the abuse
and Kia report. Man, this is making headlines all over
the world with up to two hundred thousand people being
possible victims. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
So the hopeful part in this Royal Commission into Abuse
in care seems to be everyone who can now do
something about it starts on the same page. There seems
universal agreement. We have a national disgrace. It never should
have happened, and redresses needed as fast as possible. It
hopefully means for now. Anyway, those who have told their
stories know that they have been heard and are believed
(01:22):
and what happens next is the bit that could go
well or not. Early signs yesterday, as the Prime Minister
and the minister tasked with leading this area are Rika Stampadi,
if you have just heard, gave their initial responses was
that agendas were already at play. If you watch the
press conference, which I found interesting, a number of questions
were asked about gangs. Some members of gangs are the
victims of the abuse in the report. The other questions
(01:44):
were around potential legal action. How that is handled is
going to be critical given the report deals with events
up until broadly speaking about nineteen ninety nine, that comparatively speaking,
is very recent past, and there are those still working
in government departments that were allegedly involved in this abuse
or in the Lake Alice case torture. The legal system,
as I suggested to Eric or a moment ago, isn't
(02:05):
well acquainted with the sort of charges that might well
come out of that, not to mention the level of
detail involved in criminal investigations and the complexities around say
a case in nineteen fifty nine and its evidence and
its witnesses versus nineteen ninety nine, almost two generations later,
where it could get ugly I think around gangs and
the Prime Minister to try to walk the line carefully.
Yesterday was the suggestion that this government, in their gang crackdown,
(02:28):
might have misread why we have gangs, that gangs are
an outworking of abuse, and therefore the hardline approach this
government is taking might be a bit brutish. Perhaps we
could put it this way, Not all victims became gang members,
not all victims turned to crime, not all victims went
on to terrorize communities, pedal drugs and cause mayhem. So
although what happened to these people cannot be excused in
(02:49):
any way, neither can your background be excused for joining
a gang and illegal activity. But that is not going
to stop the narrative, of course, and the politics of
all of this, so watch out for that. Yesterday, though,
it was a decent and honorable day because it was
driven by acceptance and intent. What the government does, how
they do it, to what extent they do it is
the far more tricky journey, and that has only just begun.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And it's just when you think about, like, as a
percentage of our population, how many people that has touched
and affected, it's just it's pretty crazy. We had Erica
Stanford on this morning and she basically said, well, it's
everywhere like that somehow, you know, it lets the government
off the hook. We're trying to do something about it. No, no, no, no,
I don't think we want to abduce anywhere. But the
(03:36):
scale of the issue it's for on rerap, the scale
of the cluster that has Health New Zealand formally to
fuck the aura? Where did they go from here? How
did they get here?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Now, accepting that what the government has told us about
Health New Zealand might not be one hundred percent accurate,
In other words, this mystery one hundred and thirty million
dollars over spent per month didn't in fact come out
of nowhere, it is nevertheless worth asking the question, how
many people sit on boards with not a lot of
knowledge of what's actually going on? How many people sit
on boards with the accompanying stature and reputation that comes
(04:08):
with such a position, but in reality they're a bit
ordinary if you put them to the test. Is it
not remarkable to see how many people on boards whose
only skills of the fact they held public office for
a while. I mean, no more remarkable, I suppose than
those who hold mayoral change around the country for no
other reason that they're pretty well known. Therefore that becomes
a ticket to lead a city or indeed a place
(04:30):
on reality television. But then in those cases it's as
a result of democracy, and the weakness of democracy is
brain power is not a criteria for participation. When it
comes to boards people doing the appointing, you would like
to think know what they're doing. The change in our
people we've seen from the new government with boards for
Housing New Zealand, for farm ac Kei we Rail and
our Health New Zealand indicate to me a couple of things.
(04:52):
Both are worrying. Some seem to be there because they
were political appointments and as such shared a worldview, not
a business one about what they were supposed to be doing.
Our Housing New Zealand in particular has been found shockingly
wanting in terms of debt, in terms of behavior as
a landlord, in terms of distorting the market around property purchasing,
and yet the board seem happy to collect their pay.
Did they did they think they were doing a good job.
(05:14):
How's that possible? How can a Health New Zealand board
not see the level of debt unfolding before their eyes.
And if they couldn't, were they asking any questions? Are
the government's claim of fourteen layers of management? Did they
think that was normal, acceptable, efficient? Or they didn't know
or they didn't care. It's a lot of dysfunction overseen
by people who appeared to just be watching on Kiwi
(05:35):
Rail that were telling the government one day seven hundred
million dollars. Oh no, whoops, it's three point four billion.
How's that possible? How's that possible? And is it because
it's the public sector? Is it because it's political, or
is it because there's a lot of people there for
all the wrong reasons and simply not up to much.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I honestly, and I think I've expressed this before, but
it bears repeating. I honestly can't think of anything worse
than being on a board because for me, it's spelled
the ed. It's just meeting. That's your whole job is
to just go to meetings. My most hated thing in
the world, ugh rewrap. Of course, Mike mention Kiwi Rail
(06:16):
in there as well, And unfortunately, I think there might
be a connection to this next bit of semi good news.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Announcestairs of seven o'clock this morning the Lower North Island.
Good news for you guys. Commuter rail is coming up.
While it's already there, just doesn't work that well. So
the Government of throwing eight one hundred and two million
dollars into the wire Rapper and Manuwatu into the rail
funding agreement with New Zealand Transport, KiwiRail and the Greater
Wellington Horizons Regional Councils. We're getting eighteen four car units
totaling seventy two cars, going to double the peak services
(06:47):
on both lines, additional off peak services as well, fifteen
minute travel time savings. This is Wellington, Masterton, this is
the whole. You can live in the wire Rapper and commute.
Increase speeds on the wire Rapper line from ninety ks
to one hundred and ten kilometers per hour. They're trying
to be modern and the money is behind it, which
is good.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well do you think that those people hearing that, though,
are thinking, oh, can we just leave Kiwi Rail out
of the Maybe? I mean I know that they probably
want to be involved, given that their name is Kiwi Rail.
Just seems like everything they attach lately it turns to castard.
So I can't help thinking that the rail might actually
work better with a little bit less Kiwi rewrap. Now,
(07:24):
so we started some shower wars yesterday. If I can
just take you back to this discussion Mark and I
were having on air. I just get really sick of
them going on and on and on about cold showers like
it's the cure all for everything. And it suddenly occurred
to me that there's probably just as many benefits to
having a hot shower is there out of a cold shower,
But nobody ever talks about that.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Mike just woken up with a lot of noise coming
from our on suite, wondering what the hell was going on.
I'm sure the neighbors would have heard. Turns out my
darling husband was trialing out the Mike Hoskin cold shower trick.
I'm not convinced. Love you show adell, you will be
His skin will freshen up, he'll look before you know,
he'll drop weight, his skin will freshen up, his hair
will look lustrous, You'll find him more appealing and attractive.
(08:06):
Your marriage will improve, and you will say so.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And after yesterday's discussion, here's my suggestion is that is
that that corresponder there that she should try my warm
shower method or she probably is put it up against
the husband's cold shower method, and who to see who
gets the better night's sleep and has the better skin?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Okay, game on, stay in touch.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And I've decided I'm going to start doing that with
all sorts of things that Mike talks about, Like the
next time he brings up the Malayan salt, for example,
and maybe I should just bring up the advantages of
not eating sold at all, which possibly outweigh the advantages
of leading him alays it sold rerat. We're also talking
(08:50):
today about the effect that the ETS has had on
produce growers. It's gonna say manufacturers, but they're not really
manufacturing it, are but growing it. Anyway. We did an
interview on that and that got Mike and a sort
of a reminiscent mood.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I picked tomatoes as a kid in my uncle's glasshouse.
He ran a commercial operation. And I'll tell you what,
the biggest money I ever ruined. I will never forget
the day he was away on holiday for a couple
of and I was maybe I was ten, maybe I
was eleven. So you're talking forty years ago and I
picked tomatoes and looked after his greenhouse for him for
a couple of weeks. And he came back from holiday,
and I was expecting. I didn't know what to expect
(09:29):
my way of payment, but I was expecting, you know,
maybe five six, seven dollars. You got to go back,
you know, forty years ago. Anyway, comes to the back door,
my old uncle Gordon. And there he is at the
back door, and he pulls out a fresh cris twenty
dollar bill. I have never seen more money in my life.
I momentarily was loaded.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
But smelling of tomatoes probably this They do smell you.
Next time you meet a tomato, you smell it. I'm
talking about one on the vine. Looked weird, kind of
not as bad as asparagus. I picked asparagus when I
was a kid, and that I still closed my eyes
and I can see those weird alien plants to up
(10:08):
one by one in a row, and then when it rained,
you'd just ended up with asparagus juice all over you
and smell like it's an asparagus for days. Oh yeah,
this is PTSD that I'm sharing with you now, Thanks
for listening. I am glean Hart. This is my support group,
and we'll be back with another session tomorrow. I really
appreciate the support.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
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