July 30, 2024 • 10 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Wednesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Bureaucracy In Inaction/Happy Tax Cut Day/That About Wraps it Up for Stationery/Saving the Planet Is Really Hard/Nut Juice Restraint
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay there and welcome to the rewrap for Wednesday. All
the best buts from the MI casting Breakfast on News
Talk Z'DB in a sillier package. I am Glen Hart
and today it's text cut day for tomorrowers. We're about
to get some I think anyway. So it's got to
be all good, right, because we'd be anything bad about
that paper Plass bad news for them, looks like they
(00:48):
might be slowly going out of business in New Zealand.
They were going to be environmentally friendly but now they aren't.
And we'll have some more alternative fuel news for you
as well. But before any of that, so Health New Zealand,
This this whole what's wrong with Health New Zealand? How
do we fix it? Thing? It's a it's an issue.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Then we come to this myopic obsession some of the
media have at the moment over whether Retty was right
around health Is it fourteen layers of management? Is at
twelves at thirteen? I don't care. I don't care, and
stop being so bloody my opper and staring at your
belly button and cover the actual story. What's the actual story?
The actual story is outlined by the Prime Minister this way.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
That a patient it interacts with a team member. The
team member reports the team supervisor, who reports the team leader.
A team leader reports to the assistant manager. The assistant
manager reports to the manager, who reports the service manager,
who then reports the general manager. The general manager. You
might be asking who do they report to, Well, they
report to the group director of operations, but of course
they report to the regional director, the national director, eventually
(01:54):
the chief of staff, then the chief executive, and of
course they reports the chair and the board.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Now, the fact that that's fourteen doesn't matter. What matters
is when you listen to that and this is the
real story. When we spend thirty billion dollars on health
in this country, does that list of people strike you
as good, cutting edge, frontline healthcare or as shambles.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I don't know about you, but I find things work
most efficiently when I don't report to anybody. Literally, nobody
even asked me if I've done this podcast. I'm not
accountable for anything. I'm fairly confident that nobody even knows
that I'm making it and that's the way most things
(02:36):
should be. We wrap, so it's probably justified that the
tax cuts are coming because we don't want our money
going of running over bloated bureocracies like healthy ends there
do we.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So welcome also to tax cut day. Been a while
since we've been able to say that, and the tax
cuts arrived to an uncertain sort of debate as to
what exactly they're doing. I mean, do they add to inflation?
Do they change lives to the extent that they are
material to most people? Do they get lost a bit
in what has been a tsunami of change and upheable
since the new government arrived. Nikola Will is very bullish
about it all and tells question Time most days that
(03:16):
well over half a million people have gone to the
tax calculated to work out what the numbers mean to them.
The bit for me that counts today, though, is the message.
If we learned anything over the past few years, it's
the simple truth that there is no amount of money
a government can spend to quell demand. You can take
gargantuan amounts of cash, whether in regal terms or borrow
(03:36):
to print it and throw them all over the place,
and still you will find more hands worth more needs.
It is a dangerous and slippery slope that we went down,
and we're still here this morning, paying the price for
it all. What government should do is take as little
as possible from you and me, and whatever they do
get spend wisely and frugally. We are not a bank,
and yet we have been treated as such. The debate
over the so called wealthy not needing money is pointless.
(03:59):
The debate over those who are in need still being
in need as pointless because it is predicated on the
idea that one government's console hall problems and two f
night amount of money does that neither are true. What
is true is workers need to keep as much of
their income as possible, and that is a rule that
is too often forgotten and broken. The top rate in
this country is thirty nine cents in the dollar add
(04:20):
fifteen for GST. You're paying well in excess of half
of every single dollar you earned to the government. And
that's before you get to the tax on the tax
and the road users and the acc and all the
other money grabs. So tax cut day counts because it's
a small win for those of us who graft and
pay this country's bills. The net contributors as opposed to
the net's debtors, and wins a few these days, so
(04:43):
therefore wins are important.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I just had a thought somebody is going to keep
paying for the hospitals though, right quiet, okay, just checking
a rewrap from public to private. Paper Plus is finding
the going a little bit tricky right now.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Another one of these weird stories. I'm sort of pleased
for Smith and Cey downsize and going online. I'm not
sure that's really your recipe to save yourself at Paper
plusman trouble and it's you know, it's certainly lots of
businesses close and fold, most of which we've never heard of.
But then you hear a Smith and Coey's. Then you
hear an SPQR in Auckland, very well known resident. Then
you hear Paper Plus they've breached their deal with the banks.
(05:21):
Negative working capital of two point two million, two and
a half million and loans with a B and Z.
That net loss means they've breached there. They're gonna have
to raise some money. So they're in a pile of trouble.
And it's that household name stuff that sort of affects you,
doesn't It becomes emotional when you go, geez, paper Plus,
Where am I going to go now? If you know,
if it all turns pear shape. So, like so many
(05:41):
other businesses, we wish them, we wish them well.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I mean, you've got a bit of a difference with
paper Plus and there at the time of stationary stores
is drawing to an end and book shops, isn't it.
I mean, surely nobody's actually buying box anymore. It's any game.
By the number of people I saw reading Kendles, you know,
I was on holiday recently by the pool. Kendles were
(06:06):
definitely numbering the box. Let me assure you that it
and Stationary the only persigner who prints off absolutely, Actually
I know two people we do it. My mother prints
off everything, and even she can't tell me explain to
me why she does. I said, haven't you already read
this on your phone or on your computer? And she
says yes, and then she prints it off anyway, don't
(06:26):
know why, and so which convinces me that Mike Hosking
is in the same generation as her, because he does
the same thing re wrap right. So, in this ongoing
trend of Yeah, we're not really worrying about the environment anymore.
The New Zealand's joined in with that crowd. Turns out,
(06:50):
those admissions targets that were just chatty.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Now way in. New Zealand of course, came in for
a hard climate landing by announcing their twenty thirty emissions
targets are too hard. So they're not doing them. They
are withdrawing from the International Science Based Targets Initiative. Now,
this is not their fault, other than to say they probably,
like so many others, ess should not have made the
promise in the first place. The reason for dropping the
plan is simple. Not a lot of what they thought
(07:13):
might happen has They can't get new planes because the
people who build planes have their own troubles. The fuel
alternatives that may or may not have been produced by
now haven't been. There's a lot of policy and regulatory work,
both locally and globally that hasn't been done. In other words,
like so many of these aspirations signed up to at
so many of these meetings in summit, good intent overrode
common sense until the real world came calling. It's not
(07:36):
unlike AI, another modern day fizz bomb that will change
everything until it changes not a lot. We live in
a world where power production barely keeps the lights on
FAI less a crypto data center AI generated future are
The French have made the athletes, as you just heard,
you know, lie on cardboard beds while they can't swim
in the river. Indonesia's wrecking their landscape, not to mention
their environment, mining nickel for evs and other of the
(07:58):
modern world's absurd ironies. Twenty thirty as the new twenty twenty.
The world was going to be like the Jetsons in
twenty twenty until it wasn't. Now twenty thirty is barely
five years away. That's a bit close to make grandiose promises.
I know in New Zealand are sticking with their twenty
to fifty net zero promise. Small side bet a lot
of people who said they would be net zero by
(08:18):
twenty fifty won't be, but we'll have to wait until
at least twenty forty five before they announced it. The
trouble is blind optimism and collective jolly's doesn't a goal
reach Signing the signing the Paris Accord was fun and easy.
The next bit was where we started to get a
bit tripped up.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, and so once again, like I say, it's just
got about hard. Ah. So it's just so hard to
be to fix the world. We didn't know it was
going to be this hard. So let's stop doing it. Yeah,
I don't quite. I think we've swung too far the
other way. Hopefully things will correct somewhere in the middle
the re wrap. Actually, it turns out we've been thinking
(08:58):
about this for quite some time.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Always remember Barry Soper got upset with me a number
of years ago because he was on a trip to
Hawaii with their New Zealan and they went to a
nut farm and the nuts were going to be made
into the special new fuel.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
That was sorry, you mean an actual.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
No, no, real nut farm, right, And so I said
on air, perhaps in a moment of loose tongueness, I said,
Berry's on another junket. And Barry took exception to that,
and he said it wasn't It wasn't a junket. It
was a scientific research project from which they would squeeze
the nuts and make planes fly. And I suggested to Barry,
he'll have conveniently forgotten all of this. Of course, I
(09:37):
suggested to Berry at the time. I said, Barry, they're
never going to be making that sort of fuel, and
in New Zealand they're never going to be flying with
nut juice and just give it up. And it's not
And here I am, and twenty twenty four proven to
be right.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It's so hard for me to have to bite my
tongue there. Once you started talking about nut juice and
squeezing nuts. I just wasn't quite sure how far we
could take that At seven forty five am even now,
and podcasting good time doesn't really exist. I'm not sure
how far we should go.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You just go.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You just take Mike's nutjuice as far as you want
in your mind, and we'll leave it there. I am
a Glenn Hart. I'm going to get out here quickly
before I say anything else. That was the rewrap, and
we've back with another one tomorrow. It'll be double Entendre Thursday.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
We're all look the Rerap For more from News Talk
st B. Listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk ZEDB. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio Rerap.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay there and welcome to the rewrap for Wednesday. All
the best buts from the MI casting Breakfast on News
Talk Z'DB in a sillier package. I am Glen Hart
and today it's text cut day for tomorrowers. We're about
to get some I think anyway. So it's got to
be all good, right, because we'd be anything bad about
that paper Plass bad news for them, looks like they
(00:48):
might be slowly going out of business in New Zealand.
They were going to be environmentally friendly but now they aren't.
And we'll have some more alternative fuel news for you
as well. But before any of that, so Health New Zealand,
This this whole what's wrong with Health New Zealand? How
do we fix it? Thing? It's a it's an issue.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Then we come to this myopic obsession some of the
media have at the moment over whether Retty was right
around health Is it fourteen layers of management? Is at
twelves at thirteen? I don't care. I don't care, and
stop being so bloody my opper and staring at your
belly button and cover the actual story. What's the actual story?
The actual story is outlined by the Prime Minister this way.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
That a patient it interacts with a team member. The
team member reports the team supervisor, who reports the team leader.
A team leader reports to the assistant manager. The assistant
manager reports to the manager, who reports the service manager,
who then reports the general manager. The general manager. You
might be asking who do they report to, Well, they
report to the group director of operations, but of course
they report to the regional director, the national director, eventually
(01:54):
the chief of staff, then the chief executive, and of
course they reports the chair and the board.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Now, the fact that that's fourteen doesn't matter. What matters
is when you listen to that and this is the
real story. When we spend thirty billion dollars on health
in this country, does that list of people strike you
as good, cutting edge, frontline healthcare or as shambles.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I don't know about you, but I find things work
most efficiently when I don't report to anybody. Literally, nobody
even asked me if I've done this podcast. I'm not
accountable for anything. I'm fairly confident that nobody even knows
that I'm making it and that's the way most things
(02:36):
should be. We wrap, so it's probably justified that the
tax cuts are coming because we don't want our money
going of running over bloated bureocracies like healthy ends there
do we.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So welcome also to tax cut day. Been a while
since we've been able to say that, and the tax
cuts arrived to an uncertain sort of debate as to
what exactly they're doing. I mean, do they add to inflation?
Do they change lives to the extent that they are
material to most people? Do they get lost a bit
in what has been a tsunami of change and upheable
since the new government arrived. Nikola Will is very bullish
about it all and tells question Time most days that
(03:16):
well over half a million people have gone to the
tax calculated to work out what the numbers mean to them.
The bit for me that counts today, though, is the message.
If we learned anything over the past few years, it's
the simple truth that there is no amount of money
a government can spend to quell demand. You can take
gargantuan amounts of cash, whether in regal terms or borrow
(03:36):
to print it and throw them all over the place,
and still you will find more hands worth more needs.
It is a dangerous and slippery slope that we went down,
and we're still here this morning, paying the price for
it all. What government should do is take as little
as possible from you and me, and whatever they do
get spend wisely and frugally. We are not a bank,
and yet we have been treated as such. The debate
over the so called wealthy not needing money is pointless.
(03:59):
The debate over those who are in need still being
in need as pointless because it is predicated on the
idea that one government's console hall problems and two f
night amount of money does that neither are true. What
is true is workers need to keep as much of
their income as possible, and that is a rule that
is too often forgotten and broken. The top rate in
this country is thirty nine cents in the dollar add
(04:20):
fifteen for GST. You're paying well in excess of half
of every single dollar you earned to the government. And
that's before you get to the tax on the tax
and the road users and the acc and all the
other money grabs. So tax cut day counts because it's
a small win for those of us who graft and
pay this country's bills. The net contributors as opposed to
the net's debtors, and wins a few these days, so
(04:43):
therefore wins are important.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I just had a thought somebody is going to keep
paying for the hospitals though, right quiet, okay, just checking
a rewrap from public to private. Paper Plus is finding
the going a little bit tricky right now.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Another one of these weird stories. I'm sort of pleased
for Smith and Cey downsize and going online. I'm not
sure that's really your recipe to save yourself at Paper
plusman trouble and it's you know, it's certainly lots of
businesses close and fold, most of which we've never heard of.
But then you hear a Smith and Coey's. Then you
hear an SPQR in Auckland, very well known resident. Then
you hear Paper Plus they've breached their deal with the banks.
(05:21):
Negative working capital of two point two million, two and
a half million and loans with a B and Z.
That net loss means they've breached there. They're gonna have
to raise some money. So they're in a pile of trouble.
And it's that household name stuff that sort of affects you,
doesn't It becomes emotional when you go, geez, paper Plus,
Where am I going to go now? If you know,
if it all turns pear shape. So, like so many
(05:41):
other businesses, we wish them, we wish them well.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I mean, you've got a bit of a difference with
paper Plus and there at the time of stationary stores
is drawing to an end and book shops, isn't it.
I mean, surely nobody's actually buying box anymore. It's any game.
By the number of people I saw reading Kendles, you know,
I was on holiday recently by the pool. Kendles were
(06:06):
definitely numbering the box. Let me assure you that it
and Stationary the only persigner who prints off absolutely, Actually
I know two people we do it. My mother prints
off everything, and even she can't tell me explain to
me why she does. I said, haven't you already read
this on your phone or on your computer? And she
says yes, and then she prints it off anyway, don't
(06:26):
know why, and so which convinces me that Mike Hosking
is in the same generation as her, because he does
the same thing re wrap right. So, in this ongoing
trend of Yeah, we're not really worrying about the environment anymore.
The New Zealand's joined in with that crowd. Turns out,
(06:50):
those admissions targets that were just chatty.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Now way in. New Zealand of course, came in for
a hard climate landing by announcing their twenty thirty emissions
targets are too hard. So they're not doing them. They
are withdrawing from the International Science Based Targets Initiative. Now,
this is not their fault, other than to say they probably,
like so many others, ess should not have made the
promise in the first place. The reason for dropping the
plan is simple. Not a lot of what they thought
(07:13):
might happen has They can't get new planes because the
people who build planes have their own troubles. The fuel
alternatives that may or may not have been produced by
now haven't been. There's a lot of policy and regulatory work,
both locally and globally that hasn't been done. In other words,
like so many of these aspirations signed up to at
so many of these meetings in summit, good intent overrode
common sense until the real world came calling. It's not
(07:36):
unlike AI, another modern day fizz bomb that will change
everything until it changes not a lot. We live in
a world where power production barely keeps the lights on
FAI less a crypto data center AI generated future are
The French have made the athletes, as you just heard,
you know, lie on cardboard beds while they can't swim
in the river. Indonesia's wrecking their landscape, not to mention
their environment, mining nickel for evs and other of the
(07:58):
modern world's absurd ironies. Twenty thirty as the new twenty twenty.
The world was going to be like the Jetsons in
twenty twenty until it wasn't. Now twenty thirty is barely
five years away. That's a bit close to make grandiose promises.
I know in New Zealand are sticking with their twenty
to fifty net zero promise. Small side bet a lot
of people who said they would be net zero by
(08:18):
twenty fifty won't be, but we'll have to wait until
at least twenty forty five before they announced it. The
trouble is blind optimism and collective jolly's doesn't a goal
reach Signing the signing the Paris Accord was fun and easy.
The next bit was where we started to get a
bit tripped up.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, and so once again, like I say, it's just
got about hard. Ah. So it's just so hard to
be to fix the world. We didn't know it was
going to be this hard. So let's stop doing it. Yeah,
I don't quite. I think we've swung too far the
other way. Hopefully things will correct somewhere in the middle
the re wrap. Actually, it turns out we've been thinking
(08:58):
about this for quite some time.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Always remember Barry Soper got upset with me a number
of years ago because he was on a trip to
Hawaii with their New Zealan and they went to a
nut farm and the nuts were going to be made
into the special new fuel.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
That was sorry, you mean an actual.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
No, no, real nut farm, right, And so I said
on air, perhaps in a moment of loose tongueness, I said,
Berry's on another junket. And Barry took exception to that,
and he said it wasn't It wasn't a junket. It
was a scientific research project from which they would squeeze
the nuts and make planes fly. And I suggested to Barry,
he'll have conveniently forgotten all of this. Of course, I
(09:37):
suggested to Berry at the time. I said, Barry, they're
never going to be making that sort of fuel, and
in New Zealand they're never going to be flying with
nut juice and just give it up. And it's not
And here I am, and twenty twenty four proven to
be right.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It's so hard for me to have to bite my
tongue there. Once you started talking about nut juice and
squeezing nuts. I just wasn't quite sure how far we
could take that At seven forty five am even now,
and podcasting good time doesn't really exist. I'm not sure
how far we should go.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You just go.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You just take Mike's nutjuice as far as you want
in your mind, and we'll leave it there. I am
a Glenn Hart. I'm going to get out here quickly
before I say anything else. That was the rewrap, and
we've back with another one tomorrow. It'll be double Entendre Thursday.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
We're all look the Rerap For more from News Talk
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