July 31, 2024 • 11 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Thursday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Kicking Ass and Fast-Tracking/Didn't You Sign Up for This?/Trump Keeps Trumping
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Rerap.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh Good Adian, Welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday, All
the best bets from the Myclasking Breakfast on News Talk
s ed B and a Sillier package.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I am Glen Hart and today we gig workers.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
We ask gig workers do they not know what they
were signing up to when they signed up to be
a gig worker? Trump takes on the entire black journalism
community of.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
The United States of America.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Before any of that, a tale of two ports, which
one shall we start with?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Let's go north Now.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
If you ever want an example of why the new
fast Track legislation is not only a good idea but
badly needed, I give you Northport. Northport want to expand
why to grow? We need to grow because we well,
what we do is sell stuff to the world, and
for that we need ports. Northport have been denied resource consent,
all of them. All the consents, all of them denied.
(01:15):
Independent commissioners looked at the application as sent to the
local councils, turn them all down there now after the
Environment Court, now one of the owners of Northport happens
to be tarong A Port. They too have been in
the Environment Court lately because they too wanted to expand,
and they too were tied up by locals in a
seemingly never ending series of red tape and obfuscation. The
Taronga case has been going on for years. Both examples
(01:38):
would provide jobs, income tax growth, remember those, And yet
as a country currently on its needs economically, we still
can't seem to find the wherewithal to give ourselves the
uppercut required to get our act together. Enter the fast
tracked law. Northport is applied to be one of the cases.
It would go to a group of experts. If they
take it off, it heads directly to the minister who
makes the decision. Remarkably, we have opposition from some who
(02:01):
argue about democracy and having our say. What they actually
mean when you break it down, are knitpickers and casels
and single issue zealots who hire lawyers to tie things
up and court. In other words, we have the current model.
It doesn't work, it's inefficient, it's slow, it's expensive, it's
anti growth, and yet they defend it. Like the military
academies we've seen, like the health service. We've seen like
(02:23):
the sanctions on job seeker. We've seen failed systems defended
for no other reason than bloody mindedness. When a business
can't do business because of rules and bureaucrats, the system
is broken. When a country through rule Steimy's growth, you
hat to wonder about the future.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yes, everything is going very very well. We've got your road,
your port. It's great. Everywhere you look, it's a rewrap Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Except if you look towards the ease, and then things
aren't so great over in the Bay of not so plenty.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
How wrong a port? The environment caught there and there
at the moment was standing by, allegedly for some sort
of decision. The process began in twenty eighteen, right five
years ago, if you want to take it back actually
to when the RMA was introduced. It began in nineteen
ninety one. Twenty eighteen. They applied it was going to
cost sixty eight million dollars two years to build. Eleven
EWI and HAPU groups opposed it. They were supposed to
(03:17):
be a hearing in July of twenty two that got
pushed to March of last year. After the hearing, the
court said they make a final summation by April six
last year, April six came and went, wasn't till December
the Environment Court granted them an interim decision. They were
allowed to begin Stage one, but also given six months
to address further matters quote unquote further matters. The ports
submitted again in June. Six years. In that time, the
(03:40):
cost has gone from sixty eight million dollars to ninety
and counting in every chance that when the Environment Court
comes back whenever that is, and makes their decision, that
that one's going to be appealed as well. So you
can see the lack of progress in this country and
how hard it actually is to do business.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Oh, I don't know. I feel like nobody really cares
about the environment at the moment.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
So we might be all right there.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I mean I say, well, I mean us human beings,
not you know, Flora Fauner, the planet in mind. Okay,
So once again the stoush over where people who drive
ubers are allowed to unionize and other stuff like that,
(04:23):
while we.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Wait for the Appeals Court here to decide what they
think on this uber case, and while act busy themselves
looking to rearrange the laws when it comes to employers
and employees and contractors and unions, we can perhaps get
a guide from the Americans who have involved democracy and
the process. So the Uber case here is one of
a number around the world whereby the local unions decide
they don't like the way the uber type business is
(04:45):
operating this gig economy, that thinking is not for them.
The gig economy allows you to work a lot or
a little. You can come and go as you please. No,
you don't get annually, but you get freedom. And part
of that freedom is the freedom to choose as to
whether you enter into the arrangement at all. If you
see it like the Union does, oppressive, unfair needing of change,
don't enter it, avoid it, leave it to others. So
(05:08):
in California, the Supreme Court has upheld a landmark ruling
that allows that gig economy work is to be treated
as contractors not employees. This all came out of what
they call Prop twenty two props or propositions is what
they do by way of referenda. In twenty twenty, Prop
twenty two was put to the people, and the people
voted in favor of freedom. There was a new law
in the state and the new law made employers treat
(05:31):
everyone as an employee. Prop twenty two allowed them to
avoid that low. So the people spoke and decisively too.
By the way, that didn't stop the unions, who clearly
don't like democracy. So off to court they went and lost.
They then appealed and lost again. So if you're an
uber driver, you're a contractor as you chose to be.
Democracy and freedom of thought and choice? Ah when except
(05:53):
well maybe hear if the appeal court decides differently, And
if they decide differently, do they decide on our thoughts
and beliefs? No, they do not, So which system do
you prefer? More importantly, if you drive an uber or
a part of the gig economy, and you like that,
and you chose that, how come you don't get the
freedom to make your own calls and run your own
life the way you want to. And if you don't,
(06:16):
how does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
It's a funny old debate, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You know?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
The whole point of the gig economy was exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I thought, but apart from disrupting industries, was that the
people who worked in it, you know, did actually have
their destiny in their own hands. But I guess the
problem is that often you know, these are lower skilled,
lower paid jobs, and sometimes those sorts of industries, do
(06:43):
you actually need people to speak up for them?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So the more I think about it, the more complicated
this is getting. So I'm going to start thinking about
it now. It's the rewrap talking of thinking before you speak.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Does Trump ever, and in fact, did he even think
before he decided that he would agree to attending the
conference of Black journalists in Chicago today?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
No question that the Harris camp in the US race
seem to be I've been changing the momentum at the moment.
We've gone to polling, fresh polling in seven swing states
that will work you through as the morning unfolds. But Trump,
as we speak, as in Chicago in front of a
black journalist's gathering, not a good start.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
You've had dinner with a white supremacist at your marologue resort.
So my question, sir, now that you are asking black
supporters to vote for you, why should black voters trust
you after you have used language like that.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been
asked a question so in such a horrible manner. A
first question, you don't even say hello, how are you
are you with ABC? Because I think they're a fake
news network, a terrible lad wi. And I think it's
disgraceful that I came here in good spirit. I love
(07:59):
the black population of this country. I've done so much
for the black population of this.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Country hasn't improved because they got onto Kamala and his
or Karmela. And whether or not she was hired because
of her rice, she was.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Always of Indian heritage and she was only promoting Indian heritage.
I didn't know she was black until a number of
years ago when she happened to turn black. And now
she wants to be known as black, So I don't
know is she Indian or is she black?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
She is always.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
College.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't because she
was Indian all the way, and then all of a sudden,
she made a turn and she went she became a
black just to be I think somebody should look into
that too.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So more and more, Harris appears more and more normal,
and Trump looks more and more abnormal. And to be
perfectly honest, I didn't consider them debate particularly normal to
begin with. The REP and.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
The hits just kept on coming.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Actually, and one wonders, it's all over now for Donald.
I just wondered whether he regrets accepting the invite, but
he did get a chance to talk about black jobs
and illegal immigrants.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
A lot of the journalists in this room are black.
I will tell you that coming from the border are
millions and millions of people that happen to be taking
black jobs.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
You had the best what exactly is the black job, sir?
Speaker 6 (09:28):
A black job is anybody that has a job. That's
what it is. Anybody that has all right, and they
take they're taking the employment away from black people. They're
coming in, and they're coming in, they're invading. It's an
invasion of millions of people. Probably fifteen, sixteen, seventeen million people.
I have a feeling it's much more than that.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Could be eighteen nineteen, twenty, twenty one, twenty two, and
just keep on counting. Anyway, we got onto the court cases,
particularly the one with Florida. That's the one with will
the paperwork in the toilet.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
I won the case and got very little publicity. I
didn't notice ABC doing any publicity on it.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
George were coming in, I'd love to move over on.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
I didn't notice you do any publicity on it at all.
I won the case, the biggest case this, This is
an attack on a political opponent. I have another one where.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
We have you for a limited time, so I'd love
to move on to different No choose you.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
You're the one that held me up at thirty five minutes,
just so you have to start.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
It's so that that's sort of the way it went.
I would have thought a Supreme Court case was probably
more important than the Florida case. Within again, that's just me,
you know.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I'm actually starting to think we just let Trump talk.
Can we stream them twenty four hours a day, because
surely after a while even the most ardent MAGA person
must hear some of that stuff will go.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Well, maybe not.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I'm Erica, I am a Glenn Hart. Thank you for listening,
especially if you are listening from America. Welcome in, welcome
down here. If you've had enough, maybe we'll see it sem.
I will definitely see you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
For more from News Talk st B, listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio,
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Rerap.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh Good Adian, Welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday, All
the best bets from the Myclasking Breakfast on News Talk
s ed B and a Sillier package.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I am Glen Hart and today we gig workers.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
We ask gig workers do they not know what they
were signing up to when they signed up to be
a gig worker? Trump takes on the entire black journalism
community of.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
The United States of America.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Before any of that, a tale of two ports, which
one shall we start with?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Let's go north Now.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
If you ever want an example of why the new
fast Track legislation is not only a good idea but
badly needed, I give you Northport. Northport want to expand
why to grow? We need to grow because we well,
what we do is sell stuff to the world, and
for that we need ports. Northport have been denied resource consent,
all of them. All the consents, all of them denied.
(01:15):
Independent commissioners looked at the application as sent to the
local councils, turn them all down there now after the
Environment Court, now one of the owners of Northport happens
to be tarong A Port. They too have been in
the Environment Court lately because they too wanted to expand,
and they too were tied up by locals in a
seemingly never ending series of red tape and obfuscation. The
Taronga case has been going on for years. Both examples
(01:38):
would provide jobs, income tax growth, remember those, And yet
as a country currently on its needs economically, we still
can't seem to find the wherewithal to give ourselves the
uppercut required to get our act together. Enter the fast
tracked law. Northport is applied to be one of the cases.
It would go to a group of experts. If they
take it off, it heads directly to the minister who
makes the decision. Remarkably, we have opposition from some who
(02:01):
argue about democracy and having our say. What they actually
mean when you break it down, are knitpickers and casels
and single issue zealots who hire lawyers to tie things
up and court. In other words, we have the current model.
It doesn't work, it's inefficient, it's slow, it's expensive, it's
anti growth, and yet they defend it. Like the military
academies we've seen, like the health service. We've seen like
(02:23):
the sanctions on job seeker. We've seen failed systems defended
for no other reason than bloody mindedness. When a business
can't do business because of rules and bureaucrats, the system
is broken. When a country through rule Steimy's growth, you
hat to wonder about the future.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yes, everything is going very very well. We've got your road,
your port. It's great. Everywhere you look, it's a rewrap Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Except if you look towards the ease, and then things
aren't so great over in the Bay of not so plenty.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
How wrong a port? The environment caught there and there
at the moment was standing by, allegedly for some sort
of decision. The process began in twenty eighteen, right five
years ago, if you want to take it back actually
to when the RMA was introduced. It began in nineteen
ninety one. Twenty eighteen. They applied it was going to
cost sixty eight million dollars two years to build. Eleven
EWI and HAPU groups opposed it. They were supposed to
(03:17):
be a hearing in July of twenty two that got
pushed to March of last year. After the hearing, the
court said they make a final summation by April six
last year, April six came and went, wasn't till December
the Environment Court granted them an interim decision. They were
allowed to begin Stage one, but also given six months
to address further matters quote unquote further matters. The ports
submitted again in June. Six years. In that time, the
(03:40):
cost has gone from sixty eight million dollars to ninety
and counting in every chance that when the Environment Court
comes back whenever that is, and makes their decision, that
that one's going to be appealed as well. So you
can see the lack of progress in this country and
how hard it actually is to do business.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Oh, I don't know. I feel like nobody really cares
about the environment at the moment.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
So we might be all right there.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I mean I say, well, I mean us human beings,
not you know, Flora Fauner, the planet in mind. Okay,
So once again the stoush over where people who drive
ubers are allowed to unionize and other stuff like that,
(04:23):
while we.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Wait for the Appeals Court here to decide what they
think on this uber case, and while act busy themselves
looking to rearrange the laws when it comes to employers
and employees and contractors and unions, we can perhaps get
a guide from the Americans who have involved democracy and
the process. So the Uber case here is one of
a number around the world whereby the local unions decide
they don't like the way the uber type business is
(04:45):
operating this gig economy, that thinking is not for them.
The gig economy allows you to work a lot or
a little. You can come and go as you please. No,
you don't get annually, but you get freedom. And part
of that freedom is the freedom to choose as to
whether you enter into the arrangement at all. If you
see it like the Union does, oppressive, unfair needing of change,
don't enter it, avoid it, leave it to others. So
(05:08):
in California, the Supreme Court has upheld a landmark ruling
that allows that gig economy work is to be treated
as contractors not employees. This all came out of what
they call Prop twenty two props or propositions is what
they do by way of referenda. In twenty twenty, Prop
twenty two was put to the people, and the people
voted in favor of freedom. There was a new law
in the state and the new law made employers treat
(05:31):
everyone as an employee. Prop twenty two allowed them to
avoid that low. So the people spoke and decisively too.
By the way, that didn't stop the unions, who clearly
don't like democracy. So off to court they went and lost.
They then appealed and lost again. So if you're an
uber driver, you're a contractor as you chose to be.
Democracy and freedom of thought and choice? Ah when except
(05:53):
well maybe hear if the appeal court decides differently, And
if they decide differently, do they decide on our thoughts
and beliefs? No, they do not, So which system do
you prefer? More importantly, if you drive an uber or
a part of the gig economy, and you like that,
and you chose that, how come you don't get the
freedom to make your own calls and run your own
life the way you want to. And if you don't,
(06:16):
how does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
It's a funny old debate, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You know?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
The whole point of the gig economy was exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
I thought, but apart from disrupting industries, was that the
people who worked in it, you know, did actually have
their destiny in their own hands. But I guess the
problem is that often you know, these are lower skilled,
lower paid jobs, and sometimes those sorts of industries, do
(06:43):
you actually need people to speak up for them?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So the more I think about it, the more complicated
this is getting. So I'm going to start thinking about
it now. It's the rewrap talking of thinking before you speak.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Does Trump ever, and in fact, did he even think
before he decided that he would agree to attending the
conference of Black journalists in Chicago today?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
No question that the Harris camp in the US race
seem to be I've been changing the momentum at the moment.
We've gone to polling, fresh polling in seven swing states
that will work you through as the morning unfolds. But Trump,
as we speak, as in Chicago in front of a
black journalist's gathering, not a good start.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
You've had dinner with a white supremacist at your marologue resort.
So my question, sir, now that you are asking black
supporters to vote for you, why should black voters trust
you after you have used language like that.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been
asked a question so in such a horrible manner. A
first question, you don't even say hello, how are you
are you with ABC? Because I think they're a fake
news network, a terrible lad wi. And I think it's
disgraceful that I came here in good spirit. I love
(07:59):
the black population of this country. I've done so much
for the black population of this.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Country hasn't improved because they got onto Kamala and his
or Karmela. And whether or not she was hired because
of her rice, she was.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Always of Indian heritage and she was only promoting Indian heritage.
I didn't know she was black until a number of
years ago when she happened to turn black. And now
she wants to be known as black, So I don't
know is she Indian or is she black?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
She is always.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
College.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't because she
was Indian all the way, and then all of a sudden,
she made a turn and she went she became a
black just to be I think somebody should look into
that too.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So more and more, Harris appears more and more normal,
and Trump looks more and more abnormal. And to be
perfectly honest, I didn't consider them debate particularly normal to
begin with. The REP and.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
The hits just kept on coming.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Actually, and one wonders, it's all over now for Donald.
I just wondered whether he regrets accepting the invite, but
he did get a chance to talk about black jobs
and illegal immigrants.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
A lot of the journalists in this room are black.
I will tell you that coming from the border are
millions and millions of people that happen to be taking
black jobs.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
You had the best what exactly is the black job, sir?
Speaker 6 (09:28):
A black job is anybody that has a job. That's
what it is. Anybody that has all right, and they
take they're taking the employment away from black people. They're
coming in, and they're coming in, they're invading. It's an
invasion of millions of people. Probably fifteen, sixteen, seventeen million people.
I have a feeling it's much more than that.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Could be eighteen nineteen, twenty, twenty one, twenty two, and
just keep on counting. Anyway, we got onto the court cases,
particularly the one with Florida. That's the one with will
the paperwork in the toilet.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
I won the case and got very little publicity. I
didn't notice ABC doing any publicity on it.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
George were coming in, I'd love to move over on.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
I didn't notice you do any publicity on it at all.
I won the case, the biggest case this, This is
an attack on a political opponent. I have another one where.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
We have you for a limited time, so I'd love
to move on to different No choose you.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
You're the one that held me up at thirty five minutes,
just so you have to start.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
It's so that that's sort of the way it went.
I would have thought a Supreme Court case was probably
more important than the Florida case. Within again, that's just me,
you know.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I'm actually starting to think we just let Trump talk.
Can we stream them twenty four hours a day, because
surely after a while even the most ardent MAGA person
must hear some of that stuff will go.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Well, maybe not.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I'm Erica, I am a Glenn Hart. Thank you for listening,
especially if you are listening from America. Welcome in, welcome
down here. If you've had enough, maybe we'll see it sem.
I will definitely see you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
For more from News Talk st B, listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio,
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