November 3, 2024 • 10 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Monday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Kids These Days. No Respect/Aussie! Aussie! Aussie! Hah! Hah! Hah!/These Numbers Seem Increasingly Meaningless
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from Newstalk sed B. Follow
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Rerap Odea and Welcome to the Rewrap the Monday, All
the best bits from the Mike asking Breakfast on News
to have said be in a sillier package.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I am Glenn Hard and today we're going to look
at Ozzie politics for a change.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
You said it ours actually look a look at American
politics as well.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
There is some news back here.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Is it news or is it just universities being universities?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Can I thank Mike Grimshaw for saying what he said
over the weekend. Mike is at the University of Canterbury University,
by the way, with a very good reputation. According to
the vast swathes of late teens we currently deal with
in our lives are there's great demand among students from
all over the country. Anyway, Mike's associate professor wants university
to return to elitism. He didn't put it that bluntly,
(01:08):
but he did use the word elite, and the word
elite is stoked with gunpowder these days, full of charge
in this egalitarian society of ours. I thank him because
it isn't easy to speak your mind in this country,
asked Mike King. Grimshaw sees too many of what he
calls functionally illiterate kids in classes and classes as his
other problem, no one actually goes to classes any more.
(01:29):
COVID taught us to isolate, not just from the virus
but from life, apparently, and he argues that because universities
will fall over backwards to keep you enrolled, turning up
is no longer a deal breakup. His argument is naturally new.
The idea that kids pop out of high school completely
unprepared for university has been an issue for years, but
once again, because we've decided uni is a thing and
(01:50):
you should go. You go whether you want to or
are ready to go or not. It's elite is nonsense.
Of course, the university is a path to success. I
mean it can be, but only if you want it
to be, and only if you're on a path that
requires that. Those of us that never went, never wanted
to go many a time, have made a decent go
of life anyway, So Mike wants to return to a
form of elite. In other words, bums on seats has
(02:10):
led to a lot of people getting bits of paper
they call qualifications that lead to not a lot of
places and often leave you with a debt to resent
for many years of not a lifetime. He argues, for
a higher quality of learning, it should be a place
you need to achieve to get into, not just turn up.
It's refreshing to hear it, not just because he's right,
but because a lot of people think the same thing.
(02:32):
They're just too afraid to say so far less actually
do something about it.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, I'm pretty cynical about the way kids.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Treat higher education these days, mind you, I'm pretty I've
always been pretty cynical about higher education. I to be fair,
I was having a think about this over.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
The weekend, and.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Mike and I like to make fun of people who
go to university because we didn't. As probably it depends
mechanism to be fair, and if only we'd gone to
university and learned about those things, we probably wouldn't do it.
Unfortunately we didn't, so we'll probably continue to rewrap right
to Australia now. And really the last few weeks, if
not months, have given us a good chance to say
(03:17):
haha ha.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Tell you what. The reported Friday was fairly blunt the
Australian government beleagued by any number of cock up scandals
and a general malaise about the economy. We're looking for
a circuit breaker, looking for something to announce that would
spark a bit of excitement in the electric economies are
interesting at the moment if you're following them, I would
argue we in New Zealand have something genuine to complain about.
I mean, assuming the last quarter at Q three was
(03:39):
negative and most people think it was. When the numbers
are finally published, it will show we have been in
three recessions and two years. As I keep saying, no
one has messed post COVID up worse than us in Australia.
Last week the Treasurer was talking about a soft landing
for goodness sake, and he's right. Australia has been performing
a mile better than us and generally has taken the
post COVID period and handled it laudably. Locals, though they
(04:01):
don't see it their mown. They winge about a lack
of cash rate cuts, but their economy is growing and
jobs are bullish. In America, if Harris loses this week,
it will in part be because most Americans argue their
economy is no good, and yet in many respects it is.
They've got jobs, they got growth, there is no recession
or anything close to it. But perception is reality, which
brings us back to Welbonezi, who has announced a sixteen
(04:23):
billion dollar sugar hit for those who have student loans,
like Biden, who set out a program to forgive loans elbows,
offering you the chance to earn more before you get
to pay things back. Hasn't worked for Biden. Did work
for Helen Clarke, if you remember all those years ago,
a blatant bribe so close to the election, widely credited
with getting her across the line in ninety nine. So
let's see what happens in Australia. He's in a world
(04:44):
of pain behind to the polls, and the election has
to be held in the early ish part of next year.
It'd be nice to think that leaders treat money they
mainly don't have with a greater level of respect. But
here's a simple lesson in human frailty. Offer us something
for nothing, or perceived to be nothing, More likely than not,
we'll take it and maybe even thank you for it
by way of a vote. We probably know better, but
(05:07):
we can't help ourselves.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, I mean that is an interesting question, isn't it
who's really at fault when it comes to corruption.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
The corrupt door or the corrupt.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
D You know, do you blame the devil or the
when you say the devil made me.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Do it, that's what you're doing, isn't it. But is
it really the devil's fault?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So it is a battle for the old battle for
good versus evil. Well, many people see it that way
in the United States at the moment.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
How's the polling looking. Let's do a deep.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Dive swing states. So I alluded to the fact there
were seven of them, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania,
and Wisconsin. One is tied, one goes to Trump. Rather,
Arizona is up in Arizona forty nine to forty five
in Georgia forty eight forty seven, Harris, North Carolina forty
eight forty six, Harris, Nevada forty nine forty six, Harris,
(06:02):
Wisconsin forty nine, forty seven, Harris Pennsylvania, dead heat, Michigan
de heat. So when they say it's tight, it's tight,
do they underperform the poles. Do they under estimate Trump?
Do they underestimate Harris? No one knows, And that is
what makes it so interesting slash exciting, slash.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Why do we keep listening to any of these poles
where they clearly, as Mike literally just said, just then,
don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
It's meaningless, isn't it? Just once?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It would be great if everybody came out and said, Hey,
this election, we're not doing any poles. We're just going
to see what happens. It's a rewrap because I do
sometimes feel like the more you poll, the more people
listen to the poles, the more people are influenced by poles.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And I don't think people should be influenced by poles.
You shouldn't vote for.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Somebody because you think lots of other people are voting
for that person, should you?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
The trender is this is the ongoing New York Times
seeing a college pole. This is the final poll they're
going to do plus on mines three and a half percent.
So I gave you those numbers earlier. On the swing states,
very very tight everywhere. If there's anyone leading of the
seven swings leading in five and there's a couple tied,
basically Trump lead to one I think it was Arizona
(07:14):
from memory, but then the new one among voters who've
decided in the last few weeks, this is the growing
trend you'll hear in the next twenty four hours. And
this is why it will get slightly angsty because some
camps will say, well, that's you know, this is just
hype and noise. Other camps say, well, I told you so,
there's a move on. They're breaking to Harris. So in
other words, you can read what you want into the
number of people who voted early, and it's up around
(07:35):
seventy million people. How many of those are early versus
the total number it'll be you know, someone will win
with sixty million votes, sixty something million votes, and somebody
will lose with about some sixty something million votes if
it's close. But of the late breakers, it's women, it's
older people, and they're going to Harris. And the poll
this morning says of those who have decided in the
(07:56):
last few weeks, so they question slightly vague the last
few weeks fifty five forty four to Harris.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, So, like I say, who knows.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Nobody knows, but we're going to keep telling you these
numbers right up until the very end of things.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Come a Wednesday, our time the rewrap.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
By the very end of things, I wasn't necessarily meaning
the end of all things, that that would be the
ultimate result of this election. Now, I mean that would
be crazy coverage, wouldn't it, Or would it given by
the current standards.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Just let me go back to something that probably wasn't
covered here over the weekend. Guy called Hugh Hewitt. Doesn't
matter who he is, he's a radio host. He quit
a Washington Post podcast podcast called First Look, And this
gives you an insight into why the media is in
the state it is in too many parts of the
world at the moment. On this podcast called First Look,
Jonathan cape Hart alongside of Ruth Marcus sitting there chatting
(08:54):
away about the legalities of the upcoming election and how
many lawsuits are being filed. And that's a talking point
potentially for another day. So this is what Katee part says,
Is it me or does it seem like this week?
Donald Trump is laying the groundwork for testing the election
by complaining that cheating was taking place in Pennsylvania by
suing Bucks County for alleged to regularities. Marcus replies, no
(09:16):
election can be fair in Donald Trump's mind unless Donald
Trump wins it, at which point Hewitt, before he quit, says,
this Bucks County was reversed by the court and instructed
to open up extra days because they violated the law
and told people to go home. So that's the lawsuit.
It was by the Republican National Committee, not Trump, and
(09:37):
it was successful. So what the Republican National Committee was
saying is these people in Bucks County closed the doors
early and they told people to go home. They were
not entitled to do that. They broke the rules in
doing it. They went to court and they won. And
yet unless you knew that, then what was presented on
the podcast by cape harton Marcus was Trump's a whiner
and they're just going to spend all their day in court.
(09:59):
And it was Hewitt who then gave you the full story.
And upon giving you the full story, he said, you
know what, I don't need this and equip he walked
out and that was the end of that. You know
the full story? Do you know the full story? Is
the question?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Make Nah, I don't really think we're into full stories
these days.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Even the people who do know the full story.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Aren't really necessarily inclined to tell you all of it.
It's just not as interesting or as entertaining having all
the facts. How are you supposed to run off half
cocks in those circumstances.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I am a glen hat. Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You'll never get the full story from me. I will
have no idea what it is. I'm just not paying
enough attention. And I'll see you back here again with
a lot more half truths and speculation tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
For more from News Talks at b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from Newstalk sed B. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Rerap Odea and Welcome to the Rewrap the Monday, All
the best bits from the Mike asking Breakfast on News
to have said be in a sillier package.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I am Glenn Hard and today we're going to look
at Ozzie politics for a change.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
You said it ours actually look a look at American
politics as well.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
There is some news back here.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Is it news or is it just universities being universities?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Can I thank Mike Grimshaw for saying what he said
over the weekend. Mike is at the University of Canterbury University,
by the way, with a very good reputation. According to
the vast swathes of late teens we currently deal with
in our lives are there's great demand among students from
all over the country. Anyway, Mike's associate professor wants university
to return to elitism. He didn't put it that bluntly,
(01:08):
but he did use the word elite, and the word
elite is stoked with gunpowder these days, full of charge
in this egalitarian society of ours. I thank him because
it isn't easy to speak your mind in this country,
asked Mike King. Grimshaw sees too many of what he
calls functionally illiterate kids in classes and classes as his
other problem, no one actually goes to classes any more.
(01:29):
COVID taught us to isolate, not just from the virus
but from life, apparently, and he argues that because universities
will fall over backwards to keep you enrolled, turning up
is no longer a deal breakup. His argument is naturally new.
The idea that kids pop out of high school completely
unprepared for university has been an issue for years, but
once again, because we've decided uni is a thing and
(01:50):
you should go. You go whether you want to or
are ready to go or not. It's elite is nonsense.
Of course, the university is a path to success. I
mean it can be, but only if you want it
to be, and only if you're on a path that
requires that. Those of us that never went, never wanted
to go many a time, have made a decent go
of life anyway, So Mike wants to return to a
form of elite. In other words, bums on seats has
(02:10):
led to a lot of people getting bits of paper
they call qualifications that lead to not a lot of
places and often leave you with a debt to resent
for many years of not a lifetime. He argues, for
a higher quality of learning, it should be a place
you need to achieve to get into, not just turn up.
It's refreshing to hear it, not just because he's right,
but because a lot of people think the same thing.
(02:32):
They're just too afraid to say so far less actually
do something about it.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, I'm pretty cynical about the way kids.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Treat higher education these days, mind you, I'm pretty I've
always been pretty cynical about higher education. I to be fair,
I was having a think about this over.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
The weekend, and.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Mike and I like to make fun of people who
go to university because we didn't. As probably it depends
mechanism to be fair, and if only we'd gone to
university and learned about those things, we probably wouldn't do it.
Unfortunately we didn't, so we'll probably continue to rewrap right
to Australia now. And really the last few weeks, if
not months, have given us a good chance to say
(03:17):
haha ha.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Tell you what. The reported Friday was fairly blunt the
Australian government beleagued by any number of cock up scandals
and a general malaise about the economy. We're looking for
a circuit breaker, looking for something to announce that would
spark a bit of excitement in the electric economies are
interesting at the moment if you're following them, I would
argue we in New Zealand have something genuine to complain about.
I mean, assuming the last quarter at Q three was
(03:39):
negative and most people think it was. When the numbers
are finally published, it will show we have been in
three recessions and two years. As I keep saying, no
one has messed post COVID up worse than us in Australia.
Last week the Treasurer was talking about a soft landing
for goodness sake, and he's right. Australia has been performing
a mile better than us and generally has taken the
post COVID period and handled it laudably. Locals, though they
(04:01):
don't see it their mown. They winge about a lack
of cash rate cuts, but their economy is growing and
jobs are bullish. In America, if Harris loses this week,
it will in part be because most Americans argue their
economy is no good, and yet in many respects it is.
They've got jobs, they got growth, there is no recession
or anything close to it. But perception is reality, which
brings us back to Welbonezi, who has announced a sixteen
(04:23):
billion dollar sugar hit for those who have student loans,
like Biden, who set out a program to forgive loans elbows,
offering you the chance to earn more before you get
to pay things back. Hasn't worked for Biden. Did work
for Helen Clarke, if you remember all those years ago,
a blatant bribe so close to the election, widely credited
with getting her across the line in ninety nine. So
let's see what happens in Australia. He's in a world
(04:44):
of pain behind to the polls, and the election has
to be held in the early ish part of next year.
It'd be nice to think that leaders treat money they
mainly don't have with a greater level of respect. But
here's a simple lesson in human frailty. Offer us something
for nothing, or perceived to be nothing, More likely than not,
we'll take it and maybe even thank you for it
by way of a vote. We probably know better, but
(05:07):
we can't help ourselves.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, I mean that is an interesting question, isn't it
who's really at fault when it comes to corruption.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
The corrupt door or the corrupt.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
D You know, do you blame the devil or the
when you say the devil made me.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Do it, that's what you're doing, isn't it. But is
it really the devil's fault?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So it is a battle for the old battle for
good versus evil. Well, many people see it that way
in the United States at the moment.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
How's the polling looking. Let's do a deep.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Dive swing states. So I alluded to the fact there
were seven of them, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania,
and Wisconsin. One is tied, one goes to Trump. Rather,
Arizona is up in Arizona forty nine to forty five
in Georgia forty eight forty seven, Harris, North Carolina forty
eight forty six, Harris, Nevada forty nine forty six, Harris,
(06:02):
Wisconsin forty nine, forty seven, Harris Pennsylvania, dead heat, Michigan
de heat. So when they say it's tight, it's tight,
do they underperform the poles. Do they under estimate Trump?
Do they underestimate Harris? No one knows, And that is
what makes it so interesting slash exciting, slash.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Why do we keep listening to any of these poles
where they clearly, as Mike literally just said, just then,
don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
It's meaningless, isn't it? Just once?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It would be great if everybody came out and said, Hey,
this election, we're not doing any poles. We're just going
to see what happens. It's a rewrap because I do
sometimes feel like the more you poll, the more people
listen to the poles, the more people are influenced by poles.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And I don't think people should be influenced by poles.
You shouldn't vote for.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Somebody because you think lots of other people are voting
for that person, should you?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
The trender is this is the ongoing New York Times
seeing a college pole. This is the final poll they're
going to do plus on mines three and a half percent.
So I gave you those numbers earlier. On the swing states,
very very tight everywhere. If there's anyone leading of the
seven swings leading in five and there's a couple tied,
basically Trump lead to one I think it was Arizona
(07:14):
from memory, but then the new one among voters who've
decided in the last few weeks, this is the growing
trend you'll hear in the next twenty four hours. And
this is why it will get slightly angsty because some
camps will say, well, that's you know, this is just
hype and noise. Other camps say, well, I told you so,
there's a move on. They're breaking to Harris. So in
other words, you can read what you want into the
number of people who voted early, and it's up around
(07:35):
seventy million people. How many of those are early versus
the total number it'll be you know, someone will win
with sixty million votes, sixty something million votes, and somebody
will lose with about some sixty something million votes if
it's close. But of the late breakers, it's women, it's
older people, and they're going to Harris. And the poll
this morning says of those who have decided in the
(07:56):
last few weeks, so they question slightly vague the last
few weeks fifty five forty four to Harris.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, So, like I say, who knows.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Nobody knows, but we're going to keep telling you these
numbers right up until the very end of things.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Come a Wednesday, our time the rewrap.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
By the very end of things, I wasn't necessarily meaning
the end of all things, that that would be the
ultimate result of this election. Now, I mean that would
be crazy coverage, wouldn't it, Or would it given by
the current standards.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Just let me go back to something that probably wasn't
covered here over the weekend. Guy called Hugh Hewitt. Doesn't
matter who he is, he's a radio host. He quit
a Washington Post podcast podcast called First Look, And this
gives you an insight into why the media is in
the state it is in too many parts of the
world at the moment. On this podcast called First Look,
Jonathan cape Hart alongside of Ruth Marcus sitting there chatting
(08:54):
away about the legalities of the upcoming election and how
many lawsuits are being filed. And that's a talking point
potentially for another day. So this is what Katee part says,
Is it me or does it seem like this week?
Donald Trump is laying the groundwork for testing the election
by complaining that cheating was taking place in Pennsylvania by
suing Bucks County for alleged to regularities. Marcus replies, no
(09:16):
election can be fair in Donald Trump's mind unless Donald
Trump wins it, at which point Hewitt, before he quit, says,
this Bucks County was reversed by the court and instructed
to open up extra days because they violated the law
and told people to go home. So that's the lawsuit.
It was by the Republican National Committee, not Trump, and
(09:37):
it was successful. So what the Republican National Committee was
saying is these people in Bucks County closed the doors
early and they told people to go home. They were
not entitled to do that. They broke the rules in
doing it. They went to court and they won. And
yet unless you knew that, then what was presented on
the podcast by cape harton Marcus was Trump's a whiner
and they're just going to spend all their day in court.
(09:59):
And it was Hewitt who then gave you the full story.
And upon giving you the full story, he said, you
know what, I don't need this and equip he walked
out and that was the end of that. You know
the full story? Do you know the full story? Is
the question?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Make Nah, I don't really think we're into full stories
these days.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Even the people who do know the full story.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Aren't really necessarily inclined to tell you all of it.
It's just not as interesting or as entertaining having all
the facts. How are you supposed to run off half
cocks in those circumstances.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I am a glen hat. Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You'll never get the full story from me. I will
have no idea what it is. I'm just not paying
enough attention. And I'll see you back here again with
a lot more half truths and speculation tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
For more from News Talks at b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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