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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Rewrap.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Okay there, welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday. All the
vest that's from the mic asking breakfast on Newstalk said
be in a sillier package. I am Glenn Heart and
today we will get onto the treaty Principal's bill. But first,
of course, theah, it was their whole US election thing.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Wasn't there to tell you what the best thing about
the result is. You can't argue with it, right, Yeah,
you can hate it, but you can't argue with it.
To win, not just the college but the popular vote
gives the result a legitimacy that is rock solid. As
I said yesterday, it's hard to know what the bigger
deal is, a Trump victory or a Harris defeat. I mean,
how they will ask themselves, is it possible with all
their money, all their incumbency, all the endorsements, can they
(01:02):
lose to that? The answer, of course is obvious. That's
not the point. The point is whether they will ever
be able to bring them to see it. The lack
of planning post Biden was astonishing you wonder whether an
Obama who wanted a contested race as opposed to a
coronation was right or would it have made no difference
Biden had done the irreparable damage. Demography does not lead
to democracy was a Kelly and Conway line I liked yesterday.
(01:26):
In other words, treating blacks or women or Latinos as
a singular group and expecting them to act like sheep
as a path to nowhere. Why don't they get that
there is a lesson there for this country to an
our debate aroun Mara as a message. It's almost like
America didn't realize what they had in Trump last time,
or maybe COVID in the economy was all they really
cared about, and the carnage that they're living through is
(01:46):
so great. They just want better times. If there was
a consistent line I heard over and over and over,
it was I was richer under Trump. I mean, that's
uniquely American when you think about it. You would never
hear those words in New Zealand. I was richer under Key,
I was richer under Luxeen. How do you explain young people?
I mean, Harris underperformed everywhere New York. For God's sake,
(02:08):
they hate him apparently indicte them and then vote for
them and increase numbers. Speaking of indictments, what happens to
his legal woes and how mad does that all get?
How about the Iowa poll from the Seltzer group that
we fell over. Yes, it was an outlier, clearly, and
a blow to their reputation and Polsters I would have
thought everywhere, although within the margins they roughly seemed right
these poles, I mean, although the remaining states will probably
(02:31):
go the way we think they are close as predicted.
As I also said yesterday, you've got to admire the
force of nature he is. He is a lesson in
being unrelenting. For all the madness, dishonesty and illegality, he
overcame it, not once but twice. They will study it
for years and try and make sense of it. Or
maybe they already have made sense of it. And it's
(02:51):
uniquely American and it's us that thinks it's odd either way, clean, clear, unambiguous,
show stopping, possibly gobsmacking, and the prospect of four years
of who knows what you would like to think? Given
the campaign was slicker this time, much slicker, the presidency
will be slicker this time as well, a little bit
of legacy in the back of their minds, let's see,
(03:12):
buckle up.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I don't know that they think that way, and much
the same way that the Democrats have no idea how
they've lost to Trump again, even though it's the exactly
exactly the same problem they had the first time around.
I don't think people like Donald Trump worry too much
about tomorrow and the consequences of their actions. Rerap Am,
(03:34):
I sounding a little bit jaded, a little bit cynical,
a little bit punched in the gats. Yes, yes, I'm
not a fan of Donald Trump. I think I've made
that very clear over the years. All the Republicans generally
actually because they say stuff like this.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
So he got the Senate, they will most likely hold
the House, so it is the trifecta. The question is
can they do business?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Mitch McConnell, well, I think this shifting to a Republican
Senate majority helps control the guardrails to keep people who
want to change the rules in order to achieve something
they think is worthwhile is not successful, and so I
(04:25):
think the filibuster is very secure.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
He's come to life, hasn't he we're sick of old people.
For goodness, he was just absolutely phizzing. Not generally, but
I mean, god, there must be a lesson about age
and energy. I mean, so would you want about Trump
is full of energy? But I mean by the time
you deal with McConnell, and but the time you deal
with Biden, I mean, for goodness.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And right there, in those few moments, how perfectly have
we summed up everything that's wrong with the American political system.
It's designed to prevent change from happening. And to the
point where you've got this guy who, as far as
I can tell it is actually dead and is speaking
(05:09):
to us, you know, from the beyond. That's how old
he is talking about. How happy is that people who
have things they think are worthwhile won't get to do them?
How is that something to celebrate? Rewrap, Like I say,
(05:30):
feeling a little jaded. You could definitely accuse me of
being biased, But then I don't really consider myself to
be a journalist.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Mike.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Have you read the scene in an article Trump's return
to power racist serious questions about the media's credibility? Yes,
I have. There is no shortage of that sort of
reading to be done around the place and it's and
you know, if you're a regular my views on the media,
the modern medium, and my great despair, worry and concern
for them, and another example of which unfolded yesterday. You
can do one of a couple of things. My problem
(06:01):
with the media is quite simple. Either they can't read
the room, and for some that's the case, or they
can read the room but they don't know how to change.
Or they can read the room but they don't want
to change because they don't care. And you look at
the Democrats, it'll be interesting insight into whether they're capable
of changing. They know they were wrong. I mean, as
I said at the end of the programme yesterday, to
think you can go to the people in America and
vote on abortion as an issue is ridiculous. Most of
(06:25):
the states in play Abortion's not an issue. It's never
been an issue women's rights. I mean, what the hell
is does that even mean? You look at the Labour
Party in this country. Are they capable of majorly changing
I see no evidence of it so far. Are they
capable of seeing where this country is at the moment
and the popularity of the government and the changes that
(06:46):
are being made, or are they just whiners who will
go to the next election whining and offering tax increases
and therefore another defeat. I look at the coalition in Australia,
who got spanked under Morrison, but under Dutton, who was
allegedly unelectable, he looked around, saw a couple of issues,
one of them which is nuclear, ran on nuclear. Next
thing you know, Elbaneze has helped them because he's incompetent.
(07:06):
But next thing, you know, based on a couple of good,
proactive issues, Dutton's electable, Dutton's in the race, Dutton's leading
in the polse. So it's how you react as you
get knocked down, it's how you get back up again.
But as regards the media, it's whether they want to
get back up again, and if they do decide they do,
whether they've got the wherewithal who actually do it.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, they're just out of touch, and I think a
lot of people are, and certainly the Democrats are. With
a democratic leadership anyway, they just don't connect with real
people anymore. They have ideas. In some ways, it's very
(07:48):
similar to what happened with the previous Slaver government. There
was a government of big ideas, and no follow through
and no buy in from the public. And unless you
can make that connection, you're doomed. And unfortunately Trump can
(08:09):
eggs with tens of millions of people. The rerap okay,
So politics here over the next little while is going
to be all about the Treaty Principal's Bill.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Apparently, hooray today the big reveal for the David Seymore
sent a piece of upset and aankst the introduction to
the Parliament of the Treaty Principal's Bill. It's one of
the odder debates and bits of legislation given it's going
to die death in Philly short order, or is it,
And that in part is what's driving the almost hysterical
opposition to it. Also hysterical because of course it's David
(08:41):
Seymour and the lefties and lovees hate him. The bill
essentially wants to have a country where we're all treated equally.
You don't get to the front of the queue because
you Maray, you don't get locked out of education because
you Mara. You don't have special treatment based on race.
We should, of course have not needed the bill or
the debate. We should be one country, same rules, same deal.
But sadly that is not the case in an attempt
(09:03):
to write past wrongs. And let's be clear, there is
no doubt there have been some egregious wrongs towards Murray,
but in trying to those right, we have overcorrected, over
interpreted a document that's opened a huge amount of interpretation
anyway and ended up a very divided society. The exercise,
in whatever form it took, was always going to cause angst,
but this has been next level. I suspect because of
(09:23):
the other race related matters the government's looking to correct.
At the same time, the courts and their interventionism haven't helped,
and the white Tangi tribunalists done a little more than stir.
So we are where we are. Seymore argued he was
hoping for the power of persuasion to change National's mind
on support, so many of us would be so keen
on the bill that National would have to adjust their stance.
(09:44):
That won't happen, which means the bill will be supported
to first reading and die there. We'll die for now
is the long play, the idea that act have a
policy they can build on in twenty six, grow the
vote and enact another day In other words, this is
just the start.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
So it's something that everybody's angry about and it's probably
not going to go anywhere. So why are we doing this?
I'm just I'm still a little bit confused the rewrap.
It seems like according to Mike though, whatever happens, it's
not going to work out well for National.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Mike, did you hear Morris Williamson so yesterday afternoon he
couldn't understand why National didn't want to support getting the
Treaty principles clarified, As he said, it's hard sorting issues
at government level when there's very little clarity with the treaty.
I didn't hear it, but he makes a solid point.
And here's my way, because this is the other big
talking point today. This is Seymour's Treaty Principles Bill and
(10:39):
what it's going to contain. It's dead on the water,
of course, but we'll talk more about that later. Here's
my thinking on how this is going to unfold for
the next couple of years. I think National, because they've
made a mistake on this and they've misread the room.
National's polling is going to broadly over the next couple
of years drift not badly, but a bit, and it
will drift to ACT in New Zealand first, as we
slowly but surely understand that you can have three parties
(11:00):
in government that agree on most things, don't agree on everything,
but can still color less relatively successfully, and that will
allow your action News Heal first to carve out their
own niche in certain areas, and this is acts niche,
and I think they'll run with us in twenty six,
of course, which is where this is going. But I
think National is going to pay the price on it.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
But luckily for National, I've decided we're not going to
take any notice of polling ever again, for a number
of reasons, not least of which is what's been going
on in the United States. For the Ununited States in
the last few hours, I have been hat I'm going
to I think I'm gonna go home and have a drink.
(11:38):
I don't mind telling you. I'll see you back here
again tomorrow for more.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
For more from News Talks B listen live on air
or online and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said, be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Rewrap.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Okay there, welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday. All the
vest that's from the mic asking breakfast on Newstalk said
be in a sillier package. I am Glenn Heart and
today we will get onto the treaty Principal's bill. But first,
of course, theah, it was their whole US election thing.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Wasn't there to tell you what the best thing about
the result is. You can't argue with it, right, Yeah,
you can hate it, but you can't argue with it.
To win, not just the college but the popular vote
gives the result a legitimacy that is rock solid. As
I said yesterday, it's hard to know what the bigger
deal is, a Trump victory or a Harris defeat. I mean,
how they will ask themselves, is it possible with all
their money, all their incumbency, all the endorsements, can they
(01:02):
lose to that? The answer, of course is obvious. That's
not the point. The point is whether they will ever
be able to bring them to see it. The lack
of planning post Biden was astonishing you wonder whether an
Obama who wanted a contested race as opposed to a
coronation was right or would it have made no difference
Biden had done the irreparable damage. Demography does not lead
to democracy was a Kelly and Conway line I liked yesterday.
(01:26):
In other words, treating blacks or women or Latinos as
a singular group and expecting them to act like sheep
as a path to nowhere. Why don't they get that
there is a lesson there for this country to an
our debate aroun Mara as a message. It's almost like
America didn't realize what they had in Trump last time,
or maybe COVID in the economy was all they really
cared about, and the carnage that they're living through is
(01:46):
so great. They just want better times. If there was
a consistent line I heard over and over and over,
it was I was richer under Trump. I mean, that's
uniquely American when you think about it. You would never
hear those words in New Zealand. I was richer under Key,
I was richer under Luxeen. How do you explain young people?
I mean, Harris underperformed everywhere New York. For God's sake,
(02:08):
they hate him apparently indicte them and then vote for
them and increase numbers. Speaking of indictments, what happens to
his legal woes and how mad does that all get?
How about the Iowa poll from the Seltzer group that
we fell over. Yes, it was an outlier, clearly, and
a blow to their reputation and Polsters I would have
thought everywhere, although within the margins they roughly seemed right
these poles, I mean, although the remaining states will probably
(02:31):
go the way we think they are close as predicted.
As I also said yesterday, you've got to admire the
force of nature he is. He is a lesson in
being unrelenting. For all the madness, dishonesty and illegality, he
overcame it, not once but twice. They will study it
for years and try and make sense of it. Or
maybe they already have made sense of it. And it's
(02:51):
uniquely American and it's us that thinks it's odd either way, clean, clear, unambiguous,
show stopping, possibly gobsmacking, and the prospect of four years
of who knows what you would like to think? Given
the campaign was slicker this time, much slicker, the presidency
will be slicker this time as well, a little bit
of legacy in the back of their minds, let's see,
(03:12):
buckle up.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I don't know that they think that way, and much
the same way that the Democrats have no idea how
they've lost to Trump again, even though it's the exactly
exactly the same problem they had the first time around.
I don't think people like Donald Trump worry too much
about tomorrow and the consequences of their actions. Rerap Am,
(03:34):
I sounding a little bit jaded, a little bit cynical,
a little bit punched in the gats. Yes, yes, I'm
not a fan of Donald Trump. I think I've made
that very clear over the years. All the Republicans generally
actually because they say stuff like this.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
So he got the Senate, they will most likely hold
the House, so it is the trifecta. The question is
can they do business?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Mitch McConnell, well, I think this shifting to a Republican
Senate majority helps control the guardrails to keep people who
want to change the rules in order to achieve something
they think is worthwhile is not successful, and so I
(04:25):
think the filibuster is very secure.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
He's come to life, hasn't he we're sick of old people.
For goodness, he was just absolutely phizzing. Not generally, but
I mean, god, there must be a lesson about age
and energy. I mean, so would you want about Trump
is full of energy? But I mean by the time
you deal with McConnell, and but the time you deal
with Biden, I mean, for goodness.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
And right there, in those few moments, how perfectly have
we summed up everything that's wrong with the American political system.
It's designed to prevent change from happening. And to the
point where you've got this guy who, as far as
I can tell it is actually dead and is speaking
(05:09):
to us, you know, from the beyond. That's how old
he is talking about. How happy is that people who
have things they think are worthwhile won't get to do them?
How is that something to celebrate? Rewrap, Like I say,
(05:30):
feeling a little jaded. You could definitely accuse me of
being biased, But then I don't really consider myself to
be a journalist.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Mike.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Have you read the scene in an article Trump's return
to power racist serious questions about the media's credibility? Yes,
I have. There is no shortage of that sort of
reading to be done around the place and it's and
you know, if you're a regular my views on the media,
the modern medium, and my great despair, worry and concern
for them, and another example of which unfolded yesterday. You
can do one of a couple of things. My problem
(06:01):
with the media is quite simple. Either they can't read
the room, and for some that's the case, or they
can read the room but they don't know how to change.
Or they can read the room but they don't want
to change because they don't care. And you look at
the Democrats, it'll be interesting insight into whether they're capable
of changing. They know they were wrong. I mean, as
I said at the end of the programme yesterday, to
think you can go to the people in America and
vote on abortion as an issue is ridiculous. Most of
(06:25):
the states in play Abortion's not an issue. It's never
been an issue women's rights. I mean, what the hell
is does that even mean? You look at the Labour
Party in this country. Are they capable of majorly changing
I see no evidence of it so far. Are they
capable of seeing where this country is at the moment
and the popularity of the government and the changes that
(06:46):
are being made, or are they just whiners who will
go to the next election whining and offering tax increases
and therefore another defeat. I look at the coalition in Australia,
who got spanked under Morrison, but under Dutton, who was
allegedly unelectable, he looked around, saw a couple of issues,
one of them which is nuclear, ran on nuclear. Next
thing you know, Elbaneze has helped them because he's incompetent.
(07:06):
But next thing, you know, based on a couple of good,
proactive issues, Dutton's electable, Dutton's in the race, Dutton's leading
in the polse. So it's how you react as you
get knocked down, it's how you get back up again.
But as regards the media, it's whether they want to
get back up again, and if they do decide they do,
whether they've got the wherewithal who actually do it.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, they're just out of touch, and I think a
lot of people are, and certainly the Democrats are. With
a democratic leadership anyway, they just don't connect with real
people anymore. They have ideas. In some ways, it's very
(07:48):
similar to what happened with the previous Slaver government. There
was a government of big ideas, and no follow through
and no buy in from the public. And unless you
can make that connection, you're doomed. And unfortunately Trump can
(08:09):
eggs with tens of millions of people. The rerap okay,
So politics here over the next little while is going
to be all about the Treaty Principal's Bill.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Apparently, hooray today the big reveal for the David Seymore
sent a piece of upset and aankst the introduction to
the Parliament of the Treaty Principal's Bill. It's one of
the odder debates and bits of legislation given it's going
to die death in Philly short order, or is it,
And that in part is what's driving the almost hysterical
opposition to it. Also hysterical because of course it's David
(08:41):
Seymour and the lefties and lovees hate him. The bill
essentially wants to have a country where we're all treated equally.
You don't get to the front of the queue because
you Maray, you don't get locked out of education because
you Mara. You don't have special treatment based on race.
We should, of course have not needed the bill or
the debate. We should be one country, same rules, same deal.
But sadly that is not the case in an attempt
(09:03):
to write past wrongs. And let's be clear, there is
no doubt there have been some egregious wrongs towards Murray,
but in trying to those right, we have overcorrected, over
interpreted a document that's opened a huge amount of interpretation
anyway and ended up a very divided society. The exercise,
in whatever form it took, was always going to cause angst,
but this has been next level. I suspect because of
(09:23):
the other race related matters the government's looking to correct.
At the same time, the courts and their interventionism haven't helped,
and the white Tangi tribunalists done a little more than stir.
So we are where we are. Seymore argued he was
hoping for the power of persuasion to change National's mind
on support, so many of us would be so keen
on the bill that National would have to adjust their stance.
(09:44):
That won't happen, which means the bill will be supported
to first reading and die there. We'll die for now
is the long play, the idea that act have a
policy they can build on in twenty six, grow the
vote and enact another day In other words, this is
just the start.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
So it's something that everybody's angry about and it's probably
not going to go anywhere. So why are we doing this?
I'm just I'm still a little bit confused the rewrap.
It seems like according to Mike though, whatever happens, it's
not going to work out well for National.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Mike, did you hear Morris Williamson so yesterday afternoon he
couldn't understand why National didn't want to support getting the
Treaty principles clarified, As he said, it's hard sorting issues
at government level when there's very little clarity with the treaty.
I didn't hear it, but he makes a solid point.
And here's my way, because this is the other big
talking point today. This is Seymour's Treaty Principles Bill and
(10:39):
what it's going to contain. It's dead on the water,
of course, but we'll talk more about that later. Here's
my thinking on how this is going to unfold for
the next couple of years. I think National, because they've
made a mistake on this and they've misread the room.
National's polling is going to broadly over the next couple
of years drift not badly, but a bit, and it
will drift to ACT in New Zealand first, as we
slowly but surely understand that you can have three parties
(11:00):
in government that agree on most things, don't agree on everything,
but can still color less relatively successfully, and that will
allow your action News Heal first to carve out their
own niche in certain areas, and this is acts niche,
and I think they'll run with us in twenty six,
of course, which is where this is going. But I
think National is going to pay the price on it.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
But luckily for National, I've decided we're not going to
take any notice of polling ever again, for a number
of reasons, not least of which is what's been going
on in the United States. For the Ununited States in
the last few hours, I have been hat I'm going
to I think I'm gonna go home and have a drink.
(11:38):
I don't mind telling you. I'll see you back here
again tomorrow for more.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
For more from News Talks B listen live on air
or online and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcast on iHeartRadio.
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