June 4, 2025 • 12 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Thursday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Ignore, Ignore and Ignore Again/The Smoke-Free Smokescreen/Another Thing to Ignore/What Do You Do, Exactly?/No, Seriously, What Do You Do All Day?
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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The Rewrap.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
There and welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday, All the
best buts from the my casting breakfast on News Talks
EDB in a Sillia package, I am Glen Hart and
today going smoke free is a bit out of fashion,
isn't it?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Or is it? Marjorie Taylor green Is proves once.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Again while she's one of the best performing politicians in America,
we've got some job statistics about pay rises.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Which are a bit confusing.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And while we're talking jobs, does anybody have enough spare
time on their job to dial that hookers and record them?
But before any of that, AH polls, Yes, the conflicting polls.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
This week, Mike's been ruminating on this.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
This polling industry whose only answer to fairly obvious questions
seems to be, oh, this is just a snapshot in time,
may have trouble explaining the past twenty four hours of
polling in this country. One Tuesday night, one Wednesday morning,
right have completely different results. One has lux than the
most popular leader, one has Hopkins as the most popular leader.
One has national leading Labor, one has labor leading National.
One has the current government as the current government. One
(01:37):
has a new government with the current government out. It
doesn't get a lot more contrasting than that. Even if
you accept a lot of the numbers are titish. Some
of the numbers aren't even within the margin of era.
It's almost as though the poles aren't accurate. It's almost
as though you could ring up a thousand people and
get one answer, then ring up another thousand people and
get a completely different answer. And if you can do that,
why would you pay money to people who will tell
(01:57):
you these things mean anything. TV and Z I guess
at least use commercial money to pay for the stuff.
Radio in New Zealand, who seem to have taken over
from TV three, use our money, taxpayers money. And given
they've just had a budget cut, and given they're losing their
audience at a rate of knots, I'm not sure this
can be classed as quality expenditure. I went to their
website yesterday. The headline was what the polls are telling
us in seven charts, and there they were lots of color,
(02:20):
lots of lines and ups and downs and squiggles. But
I already knew, given i'd seen the charts from the
night before, that either their charts meant nothing, or if
they did mean something, then the other guy's charts weren't
up to much, or quite possibly, if we did the
charade for a third time, they would both be exposed
as having shonky numbers. Ah, but they're only a snapshot
in time, except given they were done at the same time,
(02:41):
they aren't, are they? So what are they other than
a very large waste of time and money?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So we should stop reporting on them, stop mentioning them, Ignore, ignore,
ignore again my advice about that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
And maybe I'll stop doing them.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
A rewrap.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So let's talk about going smoke free and whether we
have or not and why not, and what's happened in
its pace?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
There seems to be increasing reported I don't know if
you've noticed, based around some new research that our dream
of being smoke freeze up and smoke. As it turns out,
now this is the year. If you didn't realize twenty
twenty five, when we were aiming to be smoke free.
By smoke free, it would have been reduced to five
percent left smoking now to meet that goal, the research
says about eighty thousand more people need to quit, and
(03:27):
there won't, of course, and as always, the fact they
haven't or won't is somehow the government's fault, who haven't
done enough or worse, this particular government who they say
have been shocking led by New Zealand first and Casey Costello,
who is a devil who's in the pocket of tobacco
or some such gibberish that people like the Labour Party
spent a lot of time trying to suggest where it
went wrong was twofold. One was the belief, and this
(03:48):
was classic labor under Helen Clark, that you could force
people to do something they didn't want to, and there
were always going to be people who didn't want to.
Where it worked, and we can be grateful, was in
the public space part of it. I mean, no longer
are you forced to inhale if you don't want to,
or smell like a smoker, or stand in a group
will be trapped by it. But beyond that, once the
hard cares were on the foot path, some were never
(04:09):
going to give up. Secondly, vaping a shocking miscalculation that
it was a cessation tool when what it really was
was a gateway for kits, a whole new generation who
got easy access, and the slippery slope was never going
to get stopped. Governments could have nipped it in the butt,
of course, but didn't. Could have made vapes script only
like Australia, but didn't. The Labour Party under Asha Verel,
(04:30):
a medical professional from the party who invented smoke free
before they left office, hurled their best wet bus ticket
at the vaping market, so basically did nothing. So the
history will show out of the gates Clark style with
gusto early progress on public spaces and general change and
attitude to the habit, followed by the predictable malaise and
(04:50):
hardcore resistance, leaving us twenty five years on with a
change in society but well short of what was envisaged.
Good Crack failed on the follow through. Personally, I'd give
it seven out of ten.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It's interesting that he omitted the current government's lack of
action on the vaping as well. They stepped up to
the plate and took a few swings and sort of
got a walk to first base and then the game
was called off. At that point, as far as I
can tell, arap no I had no idea what I
was going on about with that analogy either. Right now,
(05:25):
do you know who Marjorie Taylor Green is? If you've
got a bit of time, and by I mean quite
a lot of time, because you'll end up going down
a rabbit hole? Look her up, Q supporting conspiracy theorist
who somehow has ended up in the halls of power
in the United States.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Marjorie Taylor Green from our gormleous Moron file this morning.
Turns out she didn't read the Big Beautiful Bill. The
Big beautiful Bill. They've crunched the numbers this morning. It's
going to add two point three trillion. Seems a remarkable
thing that a conservative would want to add to the debt,
but nevertheless, that's what it's come up at, two point
three trillion. She didn't read the entirety of the bill.
She now claims if she had, she would have voted
(06:06):
against it. She was unaware of a specific section that
would prevent states from regulating artificial intelligence systems for a decade.
Full transparency, I did not know about the section on
pages two seventy eight to two seventy nine of the bill.
I am adamantly opposed to this and it is a
violation of state rights. And I would have voted no
if I had known it was there. Eric Swawell, who's
(06:29):
a fellow representative, said you had one job read the
iffing bill. So things are going well there.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I'm actually starting to think that Eline was at least
half right about this bill about.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It either being big or beautiful. It couldn't be both.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's certainly big, and it's becoming since it's becoming less
and less beautiful all the time, doesn't it's the rewrap,
all right?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So I don't normally put a biz.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Which is one of the sections on our show, into
this podcast, but I thought this one was reasonably detaining
this morning, the ins.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And the ouse, it's the biz with business Fiber take
your business productivity, the next level.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Job data, who's earning, what, what's hot, what's not? Seek
have done the numbers. They've crunched the numbers for us
this morning. We've got the top ten rolls that have
seen the fastest advertised salary growth in the past year.
So number ten, marketing executive. He pays up ten percent
average eighty one thousand dollars. That appealing to you, You think
in Oh, yeah, number nine maintenance technician. That means you
(07:31):
play with machinery a lot. You'll pays up over ten
percent ten point three. I do no, so I could
be actually yeah, it could be seventy two thousand dollars.
Is it a bit more than you? In a little
bit more than you? In technical head for commns of
tech companies, you pays up ten point three percent average, pays.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
One hundred and fifty seven.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Is that what your one hundred and fifty six you're
on big money Glenn one hundred and fifty six. Therapist,
that's what I do, pays up ten point six percent average,
plays ninety five and.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
A half million patients.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Exactly. Project engineer, you're up ten point six averages one
hundre twenty one. Data analyst are you're up eleven point
one percent average payment? It says, yeah, that's exactly what
he does. Crunches the numbers. Ninety eight thousand dollars. Data engineer,
which is different to a data analyst, pays up eleven
point six you're earning one hundred and thirty two grand
systems administrator. These are all jobs. I don't even know
(08:25):
what they are. They just crap jobs that have been invented.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It's like as you go up the list, they're becoming
more and more opaque.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Exactly. So Systems administrator, you're earning ninety seven k in
you that's what Jason does. It could be he's up
twelve percent. Security officer. See I get that Security officer,
you're up almost thirteen percent. You're earning fifty six grander. Yeah,
that's crap money. You need better money than that. Retail
branch manager up fifteen point three percent. So that's a response.
There you go. That's a direct response to the industry
(08:55):
not being able to find good people. You've simply got
to pay people more. So you couldn't get anyone to
stand behind a counter, So you pay them fifteen point
thirty percent more, and you're averaging eighty four thousand dollars
to stand behind account halle. But what, No, we don't
have any of those No, what No, they'll be coming
(09:19):
a next Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I think we're docking your pay after that.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, I think I'd rather be the technical head of comms.
That sounds like there's a bit more money in that.
I'll rewrite my job description next performance review. See how
that goes the rewrapically while we're talking work and work
conditions and things like that, how is it that this
deputy Press secretary had time to Well, Mike's asking the
(09:46):
same question, actually.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Very good question in a moment ago about this press
secretary's gone and quit and how come some people get
named and shamed and all that sort of stuff. Well,
the answer is relatively simple. The bloke hasn't been charged,
and you need a court involved in a process and
you go for name suppression. And given he hasn't been charged,
he's not going to court. There is a question mark
(10:07):
as to whether the Prime Minister should have been told sooner,
but given he's not going to court, he's just a
bloke who did something stupid and quit, so therefore he's
in the public domain. The thing that fascinates me and
Sammy and I were talking about this this morning was
we don't know him. Sam knows him? Do you know
him or not? Really, you don't really know him. You
work with him. I know of him. I mean, he
(10:30):
can't be in the Prime Minister's office and be in
this business without sort of me. Oh, it's him one
of those guys anyway. Point being, and this is just
my particular fascination with work ethic, which seems to have
gone down the drain in recent years in this country
and as far as I can work out right around
the world. But the point being, how is it that
you're in the Prime Minister's office. I mean, you're in
the Prime Minister's office for God's sake. I would have
(10:52):
thought that would be a relatively busy job, requiring quite
a few hours pretty much twenty four to seven. Some
of us work most of the hours of the day,
because that's sort of the job we have, is what
it is. It comes as a surprise to me that
a person who works in the Prime Minister's office has
got enough time to wander off and do the extra
curricula that he allegedly was off doing.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
He's only the Prime Minister in New Zealand. Though, yeah,
it was not like a real coaching.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I would have thought it was a proper job. I
mean he was the deputy I couldn't remember what was
the title they gave him, the deputy chief fill in,
part time, third tier down the I don't know what
the hell it was. But anyway, the point being, if
you end up being in the Prime Minister's office, I
would have thought it was a seventh day a week
job with not twenty four hours. I mean, you wouldn't
have your phone on silent like the guy at Heathrow,
(11:37):
would you. I mean, that's the you wouldn't have your
phone on silent. Farley is be off.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I'm not passing any moral judgment. I'm just saying that
from a work point of view, there are too many
people slacking around these days.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I mean, if I've learned anything from TV shows like
Better Call Saul and Ozark and Breaking Bed is that
once you go down the dodgy route, there's a lot
of just sort of general maintenance that you have to
do to keep that lifestyle going, and very quickly you'd
have to if it's all worth it.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
But maybe that's part of the thrill.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It sounds far to our chiefment For me anyway, It's
all I can do just get this podcast out every day.
I am what what are my technical head of comms?
Is that what I am for the rewrap and I
would be doing more technical hitting tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I don't even think it was the green.
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The Rewrap.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
There and welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday, All the
best buts from the my casting breakfast on News Talks
EDB in a Sillia package, I am Glen Hart and
today going smoke free is a bit out of fashion,
isn't it?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Or is it? Marjorie Taylor green Is proves once.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Again while she's one of the best performing politicians in America,
we've got some job statistics about pay rises.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Which are a bit confusing.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
And while we're talking jobs, does anybody have enough spare
time on their job to dial that hookers and record them?
But before any of that, AH polls, Yes, the conflicting polls.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
This week, Mike's been ruminating on this.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
This polling industry whose only answer to fairly obvious questions
seems to be, oh, this is just a snapshot in time,
may have trouble explaining the past twenty four hours of
polling in this country. One Tuesday night, one Wednesday morning,
right have completely different results. One has lux than the
most popular leader, one has Hopkins as the most popular leader.
One has national leading Labor, one has labor leading National.
One has the current government as the current government. One
(01:37):
has a new government with the current government out. It
doesn't get a lot more contrasting than that. Even if
you accept a lot of the numbers are titish. Some
of the numbers aren't even within the margin of era.
It's almost as though the poles aren't accurate. It's almost
as though you could ring up a thousand people and
get one answer, then ring up another thousand people and
get a completely different answer. And if you can do that,
why would you pay money to people who will tell
(01:57):
you these things mean anything. TV and Z I guess
at least use commercial money to pay for the stuff.
Radio in New Zealand, who seem to have taken over
from TV three, use our money, taxpayers money. And given
they've just had a budget cut, and given they're losing their
audience at a rate of knots, I'm not sure this
can be classed as quality expenditure. I went to their
website yesterday. The headline was what the polls are telling
us in seven charts, and there they were lots of color,
(02:20):
lots of lines and ups and downs and squiggles. But
I already knew, given i'd seen the charts from the
night before, that either their charts meant nothing, or if
they did mean something, then the other guy's charts weren't
up to much, or quite possibly, if we did the
charade for a third time, they would both be exposed
as having shonky numbers. Ah, but they're only a snapshot
in time, except given they were done at the same time,
(02:41):
they aren't, are they? So what are they other than
a very large waste of time and money?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So we should stop reporting on them, stop mentioning them, Ignore, ignore,
ignore again my advice about that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
And maybe I'll stop doing them.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
A rewrap.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So let's talk about going smoke free and whether we
have or not and why not, and what's happened in
its pace?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
There seems to be increasing reported I don't know if
you've noticed, based around some new research that our dream
of being smoke freeze up and smoke. As it turns out,
now this is the year. If you didn't realize twenty
twenty five, when we were aiming to be smoke free.
By smoke free, it would have been reduced to five
percent left smoking now to meet that goal, the research
says about eighty thousand more people need to quit, and
(03:27):
there won't, of course, and as always, the fact they
haven't or won't is somehow the government's fault, who haven't
done enough or worse, this particular government who they say
have been shocking led by New Zealand first and Casey Costello,
who is a devil who's in the pocket of tobacco
or some such gibberish that people like the Labour Party
spent a lot of time trying to suggest where it
went wrong was twofold. One was the belief, and this
(03:48):
was classic labor under Helen Clark, that you could force
people to do something they didn't want to, and there
were always going to be people who didn't want to.
Where it worked, and we can be grateful, was in
the public space part of it. I mean, no longer
are you forced to inhale if you don't want to,
or smell like a smoker, or stand in a group
will be trapped by it. But beyond that, once the
hard cares were on the foot path, some were never
(04:09):
going to give up. Secondly, vaping a shocking miscalculation that
it was a cessation tool when what it really was
was a gateway for kits, a whole new generation who
got easy access, and the slippery slope was never going
to get stopped. Governments could have nipped it in the butt,
of course, but didn't. Could have made vapes script only
like Australia, but didn't. The Labour Party under Asha Verel,
(04:30):
a medical professional from the party who invented smoke free
before they left office, hurled their best wet bus ticket
at the vaping market, so basically did nothing. So the
history will show out of the gates Clark style with
gusto early progress on public spaces and general change and
attitude to the habit, followed by the predictable malaise and
(04:50):
hardcore resistance, leaving us twenty five years on with a
change in society but well short of what was envisaged.
Good Crack failed on the follow through. Personally, I'd give
it seven out of ten.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It's interesting that he omitted the current government's lack of
action on the vaping as well. They stepped up to
the plate and took a few swings and sort of
got a walk to first base and then the game
was called off. At that point, as far as I
can tell, arap no I had no idea what I
was going on about with that analogy either. Right now,
(05:25):
do you know who Marjorie Taylor Green is? If you've
got a bit of time, and by I mean quite
a lot of time, because you'll end up going down
a rabbit hole? Look her up, Q supporting conspiracy theorist
who somehow has ended up in the halls of power
in the United States.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Marjorie Taylor Green from our gormleous Moron file this morning.
Turns out she didn't read the Big Beautiful Bill. The
Big beautiful Bill. They've crunched the numbers this morning. It's
going to add two point three trillion. Seems a remarkable
thing that a conservative would want to add to the debt,
but nevertheless, that's what it's come up at, two point
three trillion. She didn't read the entirety of the bill.
She now claims if she had, she would have voted
(06:06):
against it. She was unaware of a specific section that
would prevent states from regulating artificial intelligence systems for a decade.
Full transparency, I did not know about the section on
pages two seventy eight to two seventy nine of the bill.
I am adamantly opposed to this and it is a
violation of state rights. And I would have voted no
if I had known it was there. Eric Swawell, who's
(06:29):
a fellow representative, said you had one job read the
iffing bill. So things are going well there.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I'm actually starting to think that Eline was at least
half right about this bill about.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It either being big or beautiful. It couldn't be both.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's certainly big, and it's becoming since it's becoming less
and less beautiful all the time, doesn't it's the rewrap,
all right?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So I don't normally put a biz.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Which is one of the sections on our show, into
this podcast, but I thought this one was reasonably detaining
this morning, the ins.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And the ouse, it's the biz with business Fiber take
your business productivity, the next level.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Job data, who's earning, what, what's hot, what's not? Seek
have done the numbers. They've crunched the numbers for us
this morning. We've got the top ten rolls that have
seen the fastest advertised salary growth in the past year.
So number ten, marketing executive. He pays up ten percent
average eighty one thousand dollars. That appealing to you, You think
in Oh, yeah, number nine maintenance technician. That means you
(07:31):
play with machinery a lot. You'll pays up over ten
percent ten point three. I do no, so I could
be actually yeah, it could be seventy two thousand dollars.
Is it a bit more than you? In a little
bit more than you? In technical head for commns of
tech companies, you pays up ten point three percent average, pays.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
One hundred and fifty seven.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Is that what your one hundred and fifty six you're
on big money Glenn one hundred and fifty six. Therapist,
that's what I do, pays up ten point six percent average,
plays ninety five and.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
A half million patients.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Exactly. Project engineer, you're up ten point six averages one
hundre twenty one. Data analyst are you're up eleven point
one percent average payment? It says, yeah, that's exactly what
he does. Crunches the numbers. Ninety eight thousand dollars. Data engineer,
which is different to a data analyst, pays up eleven
point six you're earning one hundred and thirty two grand
systems administrator. These are all jobs. I don't even know
(08:25):
what they are. They just crap jobs that have been invented.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It's like as you go up the list, they're becoming
more and more opaque.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Exactly. So Systems administrator, you're earning ninety seven k in
you that's what Jason does. It could be he's up
twelve percent. Security officer. See I get that Security officer,
you're up almost thirteen percent. You're earning fifty six grander. Yeah,
that's crap money. You need better money than that. Retail
branch manager up fifteen point three percent. So that's a response.
There you go. That's a direct response to the industry
(08:55):
not being able to find good people. You've simply got
to pay people more. So you couldn't get anyone to
stand behind a counter, So you pay them fifteen point
thirty percent more, and you're averaging eighty four thousand dollars
to stand behind account halle. But what, No, we don't
have any of those No, what No, they'll be coming
(09:19):
a next Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I think we're docking your pay after that.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, I think I'd rather be the technical head of comms.
That sounds like there's a bit more money in that.
I'll rewrite my job description next performance review. See how
that goes the rewrapically while we're talking work and work
conditions and things like that, how is it that this
deputy Press secretary had time to Well, Mike's asking the
(09:46):
same question, actually.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Very good question in a moment ago about this press
secretary's gone and quit and how come some people get
named and shamed and all that sort of stuff. Well,
the answer is relatively simple. The bloke hasn't been charged,
and you need a court involved in a process and
you go for name suppression. And given he hasn't been charged,
he's not going to court. There is a question mark
(10:07):
as to whether the Prime Minister should have been told sooner,
but given he's not going to court, he's just a
bloke who did something stupid and quit, so therefore he's
in the public domain. The thing that fascinates me and
Sammy and I were talking about this this morning was
we don't know him. Sam knows him? Do you know
him or not? Really, you don't really know him. You
work with him. I know of him. I mean, he
(10:30):
can't be in the Prime Minister's office and be in
this business without sort of me. Oh, it's him one
of those guys anyway. Point being, and this is just
my particular fascination with work ethic, which seems to have
gone down the drain in recent years in this country
and as far as I can work out right around
the world. But the point being, how is it that
you're in the Prime Minister's office. I mean, you're in
the Prime Minister's office for God's sake. I would have
(10:52):
thought that would be a relatively busy job, requiring quite
a few hours pretty much twenty four to seven. Some
of us work most of the hours of the day,
because that's sort of the job we have, is what
it is. It comes as a surprise to me that
a person who works in the Prime Minister's office has
got enough time to wander off and do the extra
curricula that he allegedly was off doing.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
He's only the Prime Minister in New Zealand. Though, yeah,
it was not like a real coaching.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I would have thought it was a proper job. I
mean he was the deputy I couldn't remember what was
the title they gave him, the deputy chief fill in,
part time, third tier down the I don't know what
the hell it was. But anyway, the point being, if
you end up being in the Prime Minister's office, I
would have thought it was a seventh day a week
job with not twenty four hours. I mean, you wouldn't
have your phone on silent like the guy at Heathrow,
(11:37):
would you. I mean, that's the you wouldn't have your
phone on silent. Farley is be off.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I'm not passing any moral judgment. I'm just saying that
from a work point of view, there are too many
people slacking around these days.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I mean, if I've learned anything from TV shows like
Better Call Saul and Ozark and Breaking Bed is that
once you go down the dodgy route, there's a lot
of just sort of general maintenance that you have to
do to keep that lifestyle going, and very quickly you'd
have to if it's all worth it.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
But maybe that's part of the thrill.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It sounds far to our chiefment For me anyway, It's
all I can do just get this podcast out every day.
I am what what are my technical head of comms?
Is that what I am for the rewrap and I
would be doing more technical hitting tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I don't even think it was the green.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
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