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July 8, 2025 • 13 mins

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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The Rewrap.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh goody there, and welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday.
All the best that's from the mic Asking Breakfast on
Newstalk ZEDB and a Sillier package I am Glen Heart Today.
Heather is reading the Doom Book or has read it
or you know anyway, and she's not the only one.
TV and Z and it's bias and the report on it,
Jason Parris and his relationship with AI. He's the man

(00:48):
who's in charge of one in n Z by the way.
And some changes, some welcome changes to airport security coming
to a que near you. But before any of that,
the COVID Inquiry can't stop talking about COVID. Loved talking
about COVID and never getting up at COVID.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Now, let me tell you what Chris Hopkins is busy
doing to the COVID Inquiry. If this isn't obvious, right,
let me tell you. When he says that the COVID
Inquiry is providing a platform for those who have conspiracy
theorist views, he is trying to undermine it and he's
doing that, So it doesn't matter what the outcome of
the inquiry is. People have already written it off as
a nutjob investigation because I suspect Chippy already knows that

(01:27):
he's not going to come out of this flash. Neither
is Jacinda, Neither is Ashley, neither is Grant, because we
already know what went wrong. We can see that the
lockdowns went too long. We know that the border was
done badly, We know how much money was printed, to
name just a couple of things, just a few things
that they did wrong. It's kind of rich of Chris
Hipkins to complain that the terms of reference have been
deliberately constructed to achieve a certain outcome, because that's coming

(01:49):
from the guy whose government did exactly the same with
the original COVID inquiry. They set up such a limited
set of terms of references that we had to set
up a second inquiry after they lost the election just
to get to the stuff that we actually care about,
which is the mandates in the Auckland lockdown and so on.
They set up an inquiry deliberately designed their words to
only learn lessons, not assigned blame when actually blame or

(02:11):
you can call it just taking responsibility is exactly what
a lot of us affected by all of the stuff
would like to see. But what really bothers me about
what Chris Hippins is doing is the continual demonizing of
conspiracy theorists. Now, look, I don't love a conspiracy theorist.
They're a bit nutty. I've had to sit through, you know,
lectures about the world order ours on end, trying to
be polite and pretending that you care because you love

(02:32):
the person. Right, a lot of these people went down
the rabbit hole because labor forced the jab on them,
so they went off to do their own research, and
they came bick a bit strange. They shouldn't be excluded.
They may be conspiracy theorists, but they're still our friends
and our brothers and our uncles, even if they're a
bit slightly different. At the moment, right, they were as
affected also conspiracy theorists or not. They were as affected

(02:52):
by these decisions as everyone else. Therefore they get to
say to and whatever, by the way happened to they
are us or does that only apply when it suits labor?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
And surely you want the loose cannons. They're just for
entertainment sake. Don't they just to liven things up with it?
I would have thought so, Rewrab of course, So with
the COVID inquiry happening, a lot of people have been
demanding the return of Jacinda Adan. I'm not clear whether
or not these are the same people who've gone out
and bought in books.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Hey, I don't know if you want to know this
or not, but seeing as I'm reading it, it feels
very relevant to me. Jacinda's memoir got the numbers on
how much it's sold, has sold the most copies of
any New Zealand bookless year. It's been out only for
a month and it has sold ten thousand copies, which
is not bad when I mean I'm like ten thousand people,
there's not many people. But then when you think about
the number of people who actively go out and buy

(03:39):
books nowadays, it's probably quite a lot. And even more
so are prepared to buy a book that costs sixty dollars.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
So that's more than all those other famous New Zealand books.
I'm just trying to think of the other ones that
have come out this year.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
So yeah, point is easy to easy to beat. You're
going to make me name them. Now the top ten
New Zealand nonfiction list has biographies in the top four.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
She's just a nonfiction list, just sinder is it? Number one?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Alison Moore's There's No Words for This is number two,
Pipo Latour and Jude Dobson's The Last Secret Agent is
number three, and then the second part of Ruth Shaw's
biography is number four. Now, the thing about this is
she has sold the next I don't look, I don't know,
like it seems like the next best selling book New Zealand,
it seems is about three thousand dish and she sold

(04:28):
about three times that. She has to sell apparently one
hundred and forty thousand copies to make the one and
a half million dollar advance back, and apparently if sales
continue as they are, she will absolutely do that.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
On the AZ that's because we keep giving her all
this great advertising on the world's most popular radio station.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Happy to say that I contributed to just into becoming
a gazillionaire and never having to come back to this
country by buying her sixty dollars book. Did I tell
you it was autographed?

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Though?

Speaker 3 (04:56):
So it was.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yes, it's a sad indictment and in fact, it happens
with movies as well in the States. For example, the
Sound of Freedom movie with Jim Caviezel, which wasasically based
on conspiracy theories and highlighted a guy who was supposed
to the true life story of a guy who you know,

(05:21):
was trying to infiltrate child trafficking rings, but then he
turned out to be a real creep that guy as well,
and they've done a lot of ford and sex crimes too,
so but anyway, that's neither here nor there. That movie,
the sort of the very right warrant wing Christian outfit
that was responsible for funding the movie actually brought up

(05:41):
a lot of the movie tickets as well for that,
and then people went to watch it and were confused
why they were sitting in an empty theater when it
was supposed to be sold out. Now, TV and Z
do they do bias reporting? And if they do, should
they stop? All good questions? Aren't they?

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Okay, here's a prediction for you that TV and Z
review and to bias is not going to cheat anything,
because there is bias and we know it, and we
have many examples. But a case in point recently TV
and Z from what I can see, has not touched
the fact that the Marti Party co leader Ahoyity called
the leader of Burkina Faso, who banned homosexuality in his
country his quote modern day hero. TVNZ hasn't touched the story.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
I've heard that somebody at TV and Z told act
it's not a story. I can't verify that, but the
fact that they haven't touched it suggests that they don't
see it as a story. Now, compare that to the
meal that TV and Z had on Winston peters comments
comparing Labour's COVID policies to Nazi German ideology. They went
mental on it. Both stories have exactly the same kind

(06:47):
of vibe. Both are minor party leaders who say something
that offends people about a foreign bad guy, but only
one of them gets pummeled Winston Peters, that's bias. Now,
how does a review fix something like that? Even if
the review does find bias, and I don't reckon it will,
by the way, because when you pay for a review,
you get out of a review exactly what you want.
But even if it does find bias, what are the

(07:09):
bosses then? Do do they instruct the junior reporters to
make sure they do stories on every outrageous thing that
an MP says, not some just all of it, or
do they go the opposite way and say we're not
going to cover any outrageous things that an MP says.
How do you determine what is outrageous enough to cover
or not to cover? And if you do one outrageous
comment story featuring an MP from the left, do you
then have to for balance and for making sure there's

(07:31):
no bias, do a story featuring an MP from the right.
What is outrageous enough to be covered in those circumstances,
So you can see where this goes, right. Frankly, I
don't think a review can change bias. Bias in a
newsroom as big as TVNZ is so entrenched it would
take years to change.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Now.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Personally, I'm of the view actually that the only way
around this is to own your bias. Every single one
of us has a bias. I have a bias, You
have a bias. Every reporter at TVNZ will have a bias.
Having a bias is not a bad thing. Pretending you
don't is the problem. So just admiss it. Let people
factor it in when they listen to what you're saying,
and maybe the trust that TV and Z wants to lift.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Will follow, so full discretion in the interest of transparency,
how I am biased to see you know that any
reporting I do on this podcast is not only one eyed,
but probably incorrect as well. So yeah, not only am I, yeah,

(08:29):
coming from a completely prejudiced point of view, but I'm
likely to be wrong. Rerapped not Jason Paris, though he's
the guy who's in charge of One New Zealand. The
art is formerly known as Vodaphone. He has apparently sucked
in heather to the well to be a Robot Apocalypse collaborator.

(08:51):
Apparently on the AI.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
I never got a chance to tell you. I'm going
to tell you really quickly. Okay. So I did this
event at an AI event with One New Zealand and
Jason Paris was there. He's the boss of One New Zealand.
You'll know him as the guy who always gives a
hard time to the refs for being mean to the warriors. Anyway,
Jason is so obsessed with with A He's got me
into AI and so now I use beforehand, I was like, oh,
I can't be bothered with AI. I use AI all

(09:14):
the time I was reading just in this book. Sorry
to keep talking about just in this book. I was
reading just in his book. Last night. She was complaining
in the book because somebody said that she'd been she
went to Fucarti, White Island just to hug people. I
was like, who did that? Typed it into Oh Jesus,
typed it into chat with the chat GPT to find
out answers all my questions for me. Jason Paris is
so weird. I hope he doesn't mind me saying it,
because it's too late. Jason Paris is so weird about AI.

(09:38):
He has AI on in the car when he's driving
and talks to it like it's his wife. So he'll
be like, hey, I don't know what he calls it. Hey, Sarah,
that the.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
AI darling, presumably dully.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, I'm I'm off to meet Heather from Newstalks. Tell
me three facts about her so I can have a conversation,
and then I will be like, she's got two children,
she's obsessed with AI now, and she's quite boring, like
it all and it's you know.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
So we've got a full blown her working Phoenix situation.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
It's totally exactly that Jason Paris is having a relationship
with his AI. Anyway, because of that, I thought that
looks healthy and wonderful. So I have got into it
and I cannot recommend it more, and we're just going.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
To go nut should just use it to summarize the
whole book.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Now, what a great idea. I might do that later. Actually,
when I get home.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
The only thing, well, there's a lot of things that
freak me out about AI, but the thing that freaks
me out the most is how religious and evangelistic the
people who are into it are about it. You're either
it seems like you're either forward or against it, and
there's no sort of middle ground. You can't just dabble
with it. You've got to run your whole life by it,

(10:42):
or you know you're not using it properly the rewrap.
What can I say? I just can't fully trust something
that keeps adding chicken nugget and nuggets to people's drive
through orders and infinitum. Look it up, AI chicken nugget
drive through. It's entertaining but also kind of depressing. Now

(11:03):
I wish they would use AI at airport security because
I'm not sure I'm happy with how the human being
go about it.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
It's just being reported that if you travel through the US,
you're not going to have to take shoes off at
the airport anymore. Travelers no longer have to remove their
shoes to get through the regular line at TSA security
checkpoints at airports. Now, obviously that's not our airports, at
the US airports, but a good idea catches on right,
and given the US is often the one that we
follow the lead off, if they're not taking the shoes off,

(11:29):
then hopefully you're not going to have to take your
boots off at Auckland the airport, because how much of
a faft is that?

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Or at Wellington Airport because although when I traveled down
to Wellington on the weekend and I was wearing my
Converse high tops, it raised no eyebrows at Auckland Airport security. However,
coming back Wellington said the ankle you know, you know,
all that stuff that you can stuff into a.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Converse absolutely huge, huge security risk the Converse high tops
and what a faf as well, lacing that whole thing
up all the way back to the top. Also on
that more good news on the airport front over in
the EU, than are starting to go a bit lighter
on the liquids because that's a fat as well well,
isn't it having to dig through your bag because you've
forgot half a bottle of water that you bought at
the gas station on the way into the airport. Edinburgh

(12:15):
Airport has now lifted the rule you do not have
to worry about having just one hundred mills or less.
You can carry up to two liters of a liquid
through security and you do not need to take it
away from the bags. Edinburgh Airport is the first one
in Scotland to do it. Birmingham Airport has also done
it in the UK and as I say, because it's
got the got fancy scanners now, but as I say,
good ideas catch on. So fingers crossed.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
And of course Wellington Airport was also responsible for the
Great peanut butter knife confiscation incident as well, because you
know all those times you've heard of people carrying out
hijackings at peanut butter knife point. And if you don't
know what a butter knife is, it's kind of like

(12:59):
a knife, but it doesn't actually have any sharp point
or blade, so I think you could classify that as
safe h but it has made a metals I did
not the alarm of I am cleaning heart. That was
the rewrap and I'll be back with you for another
one tomorrow. Security misses allow.

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