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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Rewrap, then welcome to the Rewrap for Friday. All
the best, but's from the mic asking breakfast on news Dogs.
They'd be in a sillier package. I am Glen Hart
and today on No Water is back this whole who's
in charge of the man? I can't belive thought from
that to bid teacher pay ongoing ructions about that will
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mark the week because it's Friday, and that's what we do,
and we get some rando on to look back at
the week with Kate Hawk's bigger before any of that.
So the COVID inquiry, the it's all happening in the background,
behind closed doors, and what should be made public and
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will be made public? And what do we know.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
As mentioning yesterday the COVID inquiry and all the shambles
around the Labor Party refusing and the hearings next week
are off. Anyway, I did ask we rung again Illingworth
and he's not talking and I don't know that I
blame him because he's in an official capacity, he's running
a COVID inquiry. If he turns up here, he'll have
to turn up everywhere, and so on and so forth. However,
there is reportage which I find interesting. There was a
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briefing that Newsroom the website got suggesting because I asked yesterday,
because he has the ability to pull them in. Is
the point now? Does he not want to be seen
to be doing the right thing by the wider public?
And I wondered whether there was some disappointment at the
government level A Brook van Velden, he's running this particular
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part of the inquiry. Was the disappointment anyway, Newsroom got
hold of a briefing suggesting significant tensions between the two,
which is interesting, not over this specifically, but previously so
internal affairs. It is reported brief undvvel in the head
of this particular meeting with Ellingworth, advising her to make
clear her expectation that the chair implements improvements in the
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inquiri's planning, risk assessment and progress reporting, and failure by
him to commit to do so will further undermine your
confidence in him and then the inquiry. So is it
possible before this thing even began they had some buyers
regret could be a story for next week.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
So there you go.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
We've actually started the podcast with a cliffhanger. We're going
to have to turn in next week to find out
what happens with the cold enquiry don't.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Rewrap.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And now we seem to have a sequel to beyondgoing saga,
that is councils and water, because what do we have
three waters a new cluster and then there was Water
Done Well or write or something revenge of the water,
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and now we've got strikes back if we.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Battle of the dueling responsibilities is unfolding before our eyes
and I can't work out whether it's all going to
end in ts. On one hand, the local government minister
is off to cabinet with his rates cap plan for councils.
Average rate rises almost ten percent, inflation isn't it's not
good enough. They're out of control and Wellington's going to
do something about it. Good good, good good. But then
we have local Water Done Well, the new government's replacement
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for three waters. You can buddy up with a group
of councils and areas, or you can go it alone.
Gisbon District, for example, has decided to go it alone.
Is that a good idea? Well? Not, according to internal
affairs who've written to them having seen their plans. They've
also written to five other councils with similar ideas and gone,
you don't seem to have the capacity and wherewithal to
pull this off. So what if they're right? What if
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they don't and the whole thing goes tits up? How
is it a central government on one hand are setting
the rules of engagement on rates for fear of things
getting out of control, yet letting councils who their own
people are suggesting arn't up to it loose on water
infrastructure that they will end up putting them in the poorhouse.
It's that complex angsty line. I guess between freedom and control,
local and central Where is that line drawn? So if
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you don't trust them on rates, is water so simple
and cheap and easy they should be fine? Then you
get to the bit about voters and local democracy. Gisban
claim they've consulted in the community is behind them? That
almost certainly isn't true, given the consultation will have involved
the usual handful of those actually interested, as opposed to
the vast majority who wouldn't be remotely aware or care. Until,
of course, it all goes wrong at which point that
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we be hell to pay. So who's right central government getting
control of the out of control or letting the out
of control debbil elsewhere and going into it with a
red flag. There seems a stark inconsistency and approach from
the capital because both approaches can't be right.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
This is all call that causing me a lot of stress.
I started the week worried that every time I turn
on my gas hob that the gas might not go out,
And now I'm going to be turning on my tats
and be worried that the water is not going to
come out. I just want things to come out. That's
all I want. Rewrap right. So yeah, teachers are demanding
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more pay again. And yesterday Judith Collins, who's in charge
of the public sector pay or something, I think she's
got something to do with it. She was saying, well,
you know, they earned an average of one hundred and forty
seven grand, but I think that's a possible. I look,
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I don't understand it. Michael Julian on the numbers for you.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Right to the teachers, we did. We crunched the numbers.
A lot of you have written to me and a
lot of you texted yesterday, and it always unfolds the
same way anytime some minister claims that somebody earns X
number of dollars and somebody else goes, well, I'm a
nurse and I've been a nurse for three hundred and
twelve years, and I don't know what she says. And
I'm a teacher and I don't earn that, et cetera.
So anyway, here is the definitive, so a base salary.
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So the claim from Judith Callers was I can't remember
what she said. Was one forty five or one forty seven,
one or the other. The base salary for an untrained
teature is eighty five five hundred and twenty nine dollars.
Are you known as a G three? Untrained means you've
got a high qualification overseas you haven't gone through our
system of training. The average teacher salaries one hundred thousand
dollars average. That's up from ninety three a year ago.
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Just by way of an exercise that did this morning,
I've gone back to the turn of the century two
thousand and one and looked at the increases that teachers
have got each time. They've got increases, and its range
from two percent, one and a half percent, eight percent,
two percent, three percent, three percent, four percent, four percent,
one percent, two percent, et cetera, et cetera. Biggest increase
was under labour and a dourn eight percent, and also
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under clerk of labor another eight percent. Over the twenty
five years or twenty four years, teacher salaries have gone
up sixty seven percent. So you've done okay. Not every year,
but overall you've done okay. So where do we go
from here? So I got to one hundred thousand dollars.
Now you can earn units units relocated based on management
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and or curriculum responsibilities. Each unit's worth five thousand dollars
a year. There's a middle management allowance that's two thousand
dollars a year. There is overtime. I'm not sure how
applicable that is, but any timetabled class contact in excess
of your ten half days that's five days a week,
you get overtime. Any class contact on a Saturday or Sunday,
it's overtime. There's a two thousand dollars service increment. So
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by the time you add all of that up together
and you get your teen years it is possible to
be paid one forty seven thousand. So I think where
the acrimony has come between teachers and the minister is
does everyone at teen years earn one four seven?
Speaker 4 (07:43):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Is it possible, though, to earn one full seven? Yes?
And so I think that's where the claim is. And
it's the same with nurses. So it depends on whether
you're listening carefully enough to what's a base salary and
therefore what's possible. So nurses particularly on things like overtime,
because it will be a great deal more overtime worked
as a nurse than the will as a teacher. But
when the claim is made around nursing, there is allowances,
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et cetera. And once you add those allowances together and
the average over time and the average salary, etc. You
get to the number they claim. Whereas in the teacher's case,
is it possible for a tenure senior teacher to win
one four seven? Yes? Do everyone? Does? Everyone? No? But
it is possible. So, like all things in life, when
the claim is made and the counterclaim is made, when
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you actually crunch the numbers, we're all right.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, but they're a thing. Was Judith Collinson say it?
To possible average phase, so which leads you believe that
the majority of teachers are earning around that money. Like
Mike says, you can look at the numbers one way
and then turn the page back to front and upside down,
and they look different, don't they?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
The rewrapit?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Can we please mark the week? Come on, it's Friday.
It's what we do.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Time out to marke the week. The little piece of
news and current events that is particularly popular with people
who've lost the plot. Visus seven one of the bright
spots of the week. Two more visas, visas and access
to labor that solved problems a more, Please are the
trachrometer six? More bright spots both light and heavy. Trochometer
markers were up this week. No lot, not a lot,
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but at least up. Exports seven, Oh my lord, Michael,
not more bright spots. Yes, I'm sorry. The good News
trainer is full today. Two thirds of our exporters are
still banking the checks and growing their books. Palestine's recognition
as a state three. I mean, talk about angst for
no result. Round and round and round we went this week.
Disney cruise is four. I mean, can you blame them?
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You make this the most expensive place in the world
to bring a ship. Who needs to do all that?
In video five Trump clipping the chip ticket, somebody said
the era of shakedown capitalism, alike the line best line
of the week, the era of shakedown capitalism. I don't
like the deal though, speaking of deals, perplexity seven, you're
following that not for the bit, because no one's taking
that seriously, but for the specter of Google about to
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be broken up? Is anyone's sad about Google being broken up?
America's Cup six stuff that I like, could be a
new era with less bitching, and I'd welcome that. The
Ford Transit sixty along with the Wayne Drove, the m
X five and the nine to eleven in a world
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where cows and our white goods, basically, sixty is pretty
damn good. We should treasure classics. I reckon Kodak too.
You don't develop no pun intended, you die. They're about
to die. One hundred and thirty three years in Dust
Warrior Sex if still the eight? Possibly the four as
you've just heard? Is it the title? Is it the title? Yes?
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Mystery Meat three? What idiot thought of that? Dern and
her hench people? Zero If you've got questions about the
COVID response fire away. I don't know what else there
is to say when you've sunk that low more for us.
I can only imagine what the fifty percent of voters
who wanted to chunk of that arrogance in twenty twenty
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think now. And that is the week copies on the website.
And if you take twenty three of these, by the way,
staple them together and get a yellow highlighter, you have
your very own marking the week high vis vest.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I was particularly proud of my mystery meat noise, especially
given that I have no idea what he's talking about.
I missed the mystery meat story completely. Hopefully that was
an appropriate noise, or at least a humorously inappropriate noise.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Three rap.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Right, let's finish up with the rando that we pulled
out of nowhere to team up with Kate hawksby this week.
Because Tim Wilson was a no show.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We've drummed up somebody during the news as a late
breaking participant in the program. Right, Okay, so we're going
to play a game, and the prize is a year's
worth of the suitets of your choice.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Or well, first of all, Why did you have to
replace them?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Do you not?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Is there no trust in me to fly solo?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Here?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Very good, actually quite a good point. I'll answer that honestly,
and unfortunately have to throw somebody under the bus. Jason said,
we need somebody else.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Oh my goodness, by b.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
If Yes, right, so I'm going to play it. So,
so you supply of the lollies of your choice or
a five hundred dollars donation to the charity of your choice,
whichever you like, if you get it right, Okay, okay,
So so clue number one. He is known by everybody, broadly,
broadly popular Glynn. A little bit older than me, but
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not much, oh but not nearly as good looking, A.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Little bit older than you, I thought, who's older than you?
In there?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
They're not in here, they're not in here. They're just
okay questions. So they're not a radio person. They're not
a radio person. Oh just some rando? Well, no trying
a rando last minute? Is this Jason's call? It is
Jason's call? Funnily enough, right, so who I said? It's
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all keys? Okay, we'll question number two. Let me give
you another one. Let me give you another one associated
with the economic success of the country at a time
when it was referred to as the rock Star economy.
Stephen Joyce not bad, not bad, but not quite. Third
and final clue, who no, who? It's not a politician,
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it could be who'd you say?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I said, John Key.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Good morning, John morning, Mikey. I have never been referred
to as a rando. I mean, I don't know. It's
like it's tough, but I was. I was super excited.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Katie and I got the call up.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
This was the highlight of my year, I think possibly
my career that you and I were a team.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, Hey, how.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Much notice did they give you? When did they call you?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah, it's a typical organization. Again on the My Costing Show,
it's like five minutes can I start with a question?
How much do I get for this gig?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
And I've got to take my head off to him
because of course he wasn't organized for five minutes before appearing,
we just wanted to make it sound like that, but
he was quick on his feet and agreed with Mike
that that was in fact what had happened. So I'm
starting to wonder if John Kie actually does have serious
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comedy chops, which I didn't see coming. To be pervoctly
honest with you, I'm going to have to admit it
and take my head off. I am glean Hart. I
think Tim Wilson's out of a job, because that's what
happens when the former prime minister comes on and does
is funnier than you are, Gorne to Lert, throwing to him.
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I'll see you back here again on Monday for more.
Who knows who we are the.
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