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September 7, 2025 • 14 mins

THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Monday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Complete Lack of Interest/Defection Season/As for the Other Seasons.../You Don't Have to Be on the Spectrum to Work Here, But.../Nobody Likes a Tailgater

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay, Dan, welcome to the Rewrap for Monday. All the
best butts from the like Husking breakfast on Newstalk said
be in a sillier package. And this morning, I think
we seem to be into defections season. People are leaving
parties to go to other parties, not just in New
Zealand but other places. So yeah, we'll touch base with

(00:46):
that climate policy. We're still talking about this because another
thing that came out of New Zealand Versts, Big sheingdig
and Palms North over the weekend was they really hate
the climate and want destroyed as quickly as possible. So yeah,
it's something going to be done about that. And when

(01:07):
I say done about that, everybody wants to hardly endorse it,
I think. And then oh, we've got weirdness. This weirdness
with the RBNZ and Adrian or having his hesse firt
and all the strange stuff that's coming out there. It's
all very odd and David Seymour in his pink car
and passing people on the inside.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
But before any of that.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, So that by election that nobody seemed to know
was happening happened, and by appauling turn out and even
more appalling if you into the Labor Party.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
What a contrast Saturday night was I at Eden Park
Rugby as good as you could possibly want. For all
the hype and the worry of the week, the All
Blacks reminded us that when it comes together, when it
really matters and records of significance are on the line,
there was no side in the world that can touch them.
We won well, we never looked like we would lose.
And when you know you're that good, there's no reason
to believe you won't win the rest of the season. Meantime,

(02:03):
in the by election, what a shocking reminder of several things.
One give an MMP we no longer need more seats.
Two given those who argue for Maori seats to do
so at least in part because Maray need to see
themselves represented and they need the chance to participate. Why
don't they The turnout was appalling, It was a joke.
Three What does the result tell you about the Labor Party? Four?

(02:25):
What does the result tell you about the Marory party.
Let's deal with three. First, the seat's been Henaray's for
three terms until he lost last time by forty two votes.
Not great, but not the end of the world. Yet
Saturday they rejected him spectacularly. Not only couldn't they get
the vote out, those that did turn up didn't want
Heneray All Labor. You can argue all you want about
by elections and history and turnouts, but this was embarrassing.

(02:45):
But back to four, this was not a win for
the candidate either. This was a win for the party.
The candidate didn't seem up to much. Worryingly, that doesn't
seem to matter, which indicates in most races, we don't
vote for the individual, we vote for the party. The
Maori Party will be worried because they too failed to
get the vote out, but boyd I guess by the
fact that they seem to have the Maori vote such
as it is stitched up. So the All Blacks March

(03:07):
one of the great matches. The Murray Party take a
win that was worryingly troubled, and the Labor Party must
really be wondering if the size of this rejection is
potentially there to be played out again next to you
short of them doing something pretty spectacular between now and
next October, and obium, I take.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Issue with that rugby as good as you could possibly want,
do you think like actually watched the game, because to
me it was the All Blacks playing about as badly
as they have been all season and the South African's
playing slightly worse. That's how I saw it. They just
keep running in front of each other all the time.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
It rewrap.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
So yeah, when is the best time to defect from
a party and go to another party right in the
middle of an election cycle? The sens to be what's happening?
I mean, I know, technically speaking, Stuart Nash isn't really
a part of a political party at the moment really,

(04:04):
But anyway, like I said, it's not just here, it's
in the UK as well.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
A lot of the fictions going on at the moment.
Nadine Doris, who was a very high profile ex Tory
minister in Britain, she defected over the weekend to Reform,
so that seems to be running at about one or
two people a week at the moment. I read a
very good piece from the Political Letter of the BBC.
He said he's been to any number of conferences. He's
never seen anything like what's happening with reform in Britain

(04:28):
at the moment. So let's deal more with that with
Rod tomorrow. Also, speaking of defections, is this a possibility.
They don't listen to national radio and they trust Mike
Hosking far more than the PM to tell them how
it is. Stuart Nathay seem to agree with them. Stuart
Nash at the New Zealand First conference over the weekend,
so that seems to be kind of I'm heading that

(04:49):
way and there's a process to go through, and once
I've gone through the process, I'll probably end up a
potentially an MP and presumably a senior player in the
New Zealand First Party. Which brings us to Winston Peter's
after seven o'clock this morning. If Peters goes, which you
will eventually, maybe not this election, but he needs some
sort of succession plan. Maybe Nash's that, Maybe Jones is it?

(05:09):
Can anyone name me anybody from New Zealand First apart
from Jones and Peters? And that in part is the problem,
isn't it? So they need more robust representation, So that
might be part of the bigger plan, the bigger picture.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I mean, it could have been worse. He could have
called the party Winston first, like you know, Jermanderituan's Jamandertan
jermandertin In Party or whatever that one was called. So yeah,
it could be slightly worse. But yeah, I don't know.
It just does seem a little bit cynical from Nash.
It seems to be quite the power grab he's going
for here. It's like he feels like there could be

(05:44):
some kind of reform style bump in New Zealand first,
somewhere along the way, and then he might just be
the guy in charge of the party by then rerap
because it's very I mean, how does he rational? Yes,
I get that he thinks that the Labor Party has
moved away from traditional Labor Party values, but how does
he feel about a party who seems to be you know,

(06:05):
obviously racist and also not really that until.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
The money talks, Mike, it's nothing to do with our
climate setting, not to mention flawed methodology around methane. It's
bluff and bravado. Get out of Paris, Mike. The Paris
Agreement's a dog. It just needs to change. Has become
a trade document, not a climate change policy, of which, well,
let me come back to that, Mike. We just need
to quietly quit Paris. I don't think that's possible somehow, Mike. So,
Paris is just the type of extortion scheme the reference

(06:30):
of you haven't followed it. It's directly tied into trade
deals these days. So in other words, because of our
miles and all of that sort of thing, and the
amount of stuff we put on a plane and how
far it goes, it's it is directly tied in with
trade and we only want to well they only want
to trade with countries that are part of the Climate
change Agreement. So we're kind of stuck to a degree.

(06:50):
But all I'm flagging here. And you've seen it with
David Seymore, you've seen it now with Winston Peters, you've
seen it with Keimmi bad Not, you've seen it with
Donald Trump. And it's a growing trend globally. And it's
not about wanting to save the climate or not wanting
to save the climate. It's about doing something tangible that
we can all agree is working, will work, and can work,

(07:11):
as opposed to what it's fast becoming, which is something
that is largely a waste of time. So it's a
debate for the ages.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Or at least until we can't breathe the atmosphere and
it's too hot to go outside anymore. Then then I
think the debate will be pretty much over the rewrap. Okay,
So the more details that come out of this rbn
Z collapse, basically the more you start thinking, are these

(07:39):
you know, normal everyday people or are they sort of
living in their own worlds in their own heads.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
If you didn't read it over the weekend, I think
it might have even been Friday. Anyway, this's ongoing. I
don't know if you want to call it a scandal,
but certainly just a shambles. As with quickly and or
running the Reserve Bank. This goes back and it's just
it's almost death by a thousand cuts, even though they're
all gone now. But I still maintain that all OSAs
a public explanation given he got some money to walk away,

(08:07):
and he packed a mass of set about the funding.
So anyway, it goes back to the funding. So the
bank goes to the government goes we need a billion
dollars please over a number of years, five years to
run our organization. The government comes back and goes, it's
not happening, let's be realistic about this, at which point
All stamps his feed up and down and has a
big tanty. And then the quickly the board chair has

(08:27):
to write to him say can you please not stamp
your feed up and down and pack a big sad
it's not very professional. Whole thing implodes and he gets
a check to go away. He's never been heard from
him since anyway. As part of their argument this is
the latest development is part of their argument as to
how they came up with the numbers that they needed
so desperately to run their organization. Geno tib Trainee reveals

(08:48):
that the Reserve Bank added forty million dollars of underspends
from previous years to what it had planned to spend
in twenty four to twenty five. The bank had more
funds because Grant Robertson approved its request for funding top ups.
I mean Grant approved anything you wanted, so if you
wanted some money, you could have some money. So they
had so much money they literally didn't know what to
do with it. So they took the money they hadn't

(09:08):
spent and they added it into their budget, and they said,
so this is how we get to the number we
got to. That's not the worst part. It noted it
assumed funding would need to be adjusted to account for
an inflation rate. This is the reserve bank. What's the
reserve bank in charge of inflation? It noted it assumed
funding would need to be adjusted to account for annual inflation.

(09:30):
So it said, well, you know, you've got to take
into account annual inflation. Fair enough, what did they count
annual inflation at three point six percent? At which point
somebody went, aren't you the guys in charge of inflation?
And what's the band? You run inflation at zero to
three and yet you're telling us it's a three point
six and it's going to be a three point six
and so you need five years worth of funding in

(09:53):
excess of the very banned you're in charge of. It
said a disproportionate number of resources had been concentrated at
the upper echelons of management. This is treasury. The Reserve
Bank was not sufficiently considering reprioritization opportunities such as downsizing
non lea just litve functions. They also said the sum
of the bank said it needed for capital expenditure, including

(10:13):
twenty two million dollars for ambiguous contingencies slush fund. Now,
hopefully fingers crossed, they've got this under control now and
all's gone and quickly's gone. But when you're asking for
money at a greater rate than the very thing that
you're in charge of, something seriously, seriously wrong, and you

(10:36):
and I as always are paying.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
For them unfortunately. I mean, I'd love to be able
to agree with Mike b but I literally have no
idea what he was talking about. I was sort of
on board initially, and then I couldn't understand. I couldn't
understand whatever. Am I one of these people who's so
far inside my own head that I don't make any
sense to anybody else? Maybe the rewrap right. So we've

(10:58):
been talking about New Zealand first quite a bit. We've
made a little comment about the Act Party because of
the feelings about trying to save the planet. But that's
not the only trouble that David Seymour had over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Of course, so is this news. So David Seymour allegedly speeding.
Video shows David Seymour speeding. The clue is in the
bloke's commentary. So if you missed the story David Seymour
in his act car, if you've never seen David Seymour's
act car, it's as pink with a painting of himself
on the side. It's as obvious as it can possibly be.

(11:37):
So this guy's not skulking around in some dark tinted
window special vehicle that you wouldn't really know. It's Seymour.
It's got Seymour written on the side, it's got act
written on the side, it's got his photo on the side,
and it's pink. You can't miss him. Guy says, had
this guy riding the tailpipe for a good whack on
sh one. He must have hit the snooze button a

(11:59):
few too many times this morning. I gave it a
touch of the jendle to gain a bit of distance
from them, but it wasn't enough. As soon as there
was the slightest gap, he shot up the inside, undertook
and started tailgating the next in line. He must have
been doing twenty over the posted speed limit. People obviously
this clown posted it to read it. Now here's the thing.

(12:20):
There are clowns all over the road and you see
them every day. People who give it a bit of jendle.
There are people who are clowns on social media. You're
never going to stop that. You can't regulate that. It
is what it is. What we can do if we
just pause long enough to think about it, especially in
the media, is wonder perhaps even allowed to ourselves? Is

(12:41):
this news is idiocy posted on social media automatically news?
And therefore do I need to run it in my
digital outlet if I'm staffer run the New Zealand Herald
or whoever else ran it? I don't know. Do I
really need to make that a thing? Because one of
the problems the media has in this country is they've
got a credibility issue with the wider public. And when

(13:05):
you do that sort of stuff, and you make something
inconsequential news just because some moron put it on social media,
the moment you do that, you distance yourself yet again
from the wider public, because the wider public see this
for what it is. It's a dumb stitch up by
some idiot who gave it a bit of jendle and
thought he might like to jump on social media and
make a thing about it. Let him be and let

(13:27):
social media do their thing. And let's concentrate on more
important things and maybe we can slowly but surely restore
some of the credibility that we've so badly lost in
recent years.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I personally don't have a massive problem with passing on
the inside. If somebody is not driving anywhere near the
speed limit and in the right hand lane, what are
you supposed to do? So I don't mind that so much.
But nobody likes to tailgator. Come on, that's Is there
anything more dangerous than tailgating somebody? Seriously? So yeah, I

(14:01):
don't know. I don't know how much sympathy I have
for David Eima on this pine. To be honest, I
am a glen hat that has been the rewrap. I'm
gonna try and practice what I preach now and drive
very carefully home. I can't guarantee not to pass anybody
on the inside, but I won't be tailgating. I can
promise you that.

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