September 10, 2025 • 12 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Thursday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Has There Been a Shift?/Ferris Goes Feral/Money or Your Life?/The Great Flannel Scandal
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Rewrap there and welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday,
all the best bits from the mic hosting breakfast on
News Talks and a sillier package.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I am Glen Hart and today.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, we've all found out a lot more about Taku
to Faris, and we knew about them twenty four hours ago.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I think Mike goes off about working from home, which
is one of his pet peeves, of course.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And then we get into face cloths because I think
this is an untapped issue and it's time we all
talked about it. But before any of that, teacher pay
another sort of pet peeve of husks.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Teachers maybe maybe not accept their payoffers, maybe maybe not
go and strike yet again. You know what, I can't
help but worry about these new recruits. Now we're busy
celebrating them this week, right, Enrollments to become teachers gone
up markedly, big big increases. This seems, on the surface anyway,
to be in part a solution to a long term problem,
i e. Our permanent shortage in a profession that's lost
(01:33):
its luster. I'm not against migration to solve issues, but
there is a balance to be Striker would have thought,
and you'd like to think that the profession is actually
staffed by people who like what they do, and not
a pile of recent arrivals whose main criteria for being
in a New Zealand classroom was to be in the country,
not the job itself. So lots of new recruits, good good,
good good. But once out the other side, what awaits them?
(01:54):
And does it look like the ongoing industrial mess that
pervades our work landscape at the moment? I mean, do
these recruits know what they will get paid, what their
conditions are? Do they know what actually teaching in a
New Zealand classroom in twenty twenty five entails looks like
because somewhere between the enthusiasm of enrollment and the jaded
misery of experience a decade on something dramatically goes wrong.
(02:17):
The money seems decent to me, not spectacular, but decent,
the same way it seems decent now for nurses and doctors.
It seems to me we've got to a point where
no small amount of energy, money, money and change has
been put into education and between that and the pay,
it's not a bad deal. Yes, it's challenging, of course,
it has given kids in their issues. Yes, you would
like more specialist teachers or non contact time or whatever,
(02:38):
but negotiations are quid pro quote. The rises we have
seen in recent years, the change currently being implemented to
turbocharged performance by way of results seems to be setting
us up for a decent sort of system producing a
decent sort of outcome. Is that the unions that are
wrecking this, I mean, are they really the impediment to
most teachers just want to get on with it. We
seem at a place where the public support is most
(03:00):
certainly not what it was for the teacher's plight and
might just be tipping against them.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, and who's faults there are, Soul?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I mean, I don't think we can think we're handily
blamed like for a slight changing.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Of attitude there. But he's been pretty solid on this
point of view for a while now. So we wrap
something else.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
That's another thing that's been stuck in host kraw is
who the Labor Party color less with if they get
into government, Because in order for them to do that,
it'll probably have to be to Party Mari and it
turns out there are more than one or two questionable
members of that party.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Back to Takatai Ferris or Takata Ferris. The problem is,
if you've missed the story he doubled down on social media,
his look at the video and just come to your
own conclusions about what sort of state he's and when
he's doing it. The whole things is weird, as the
point being it discredits the Maori Party. But most importantly,
(04:01):
and I've been trying to build this up as a
story because this is going to be one of the
big talking points next year, and that is who are
Labor going to coalesce with? Who can they work with?
Can they get away with the Greens? Probably? Yes, the
Greens are nutty, Yes, there's some extremists in there, but
they can probably coor less reasonably comfortably, whether it be
in a formal coalition if they win the election. This
is why I'm telling you Labor iss not gonna win
(04:21):
next year. This is all part of my ongoing building
block argument. They will not win this next year because
these guys in the Maray Party don't for start, they
don't even want to be in government. They're not interested,
and Ferris is a classic example of that. They're all rogue.
They're out there telling people that there are journalists hiding
in the bushes filming them. I mean, they're all nuts.
(04:43):
So anyway, the problem with Ferris is he is going
at the fact that Maori seats are for Maori people only,
and you don't want your Asians or your black people
campaigning in Maori seats, and it's just it's all insanity.
And Hipkins has to explain that if they're going to
be in any way, shape or form associated with them,
and the problem is he can't. So therefore that's why
(05:06):
he's not gonna win.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And this is the that we face, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
And it's the same for people who vote for New
Zealand first when they suddenly pull in all these list MPs.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
None of us have any idea who they were.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And I'm pretty sure most of the people who voted
for Winston didn't know that they were voting for these
other people as well.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And yep, it's going to.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Be the same for the people who decide to vote
Labor next year. It's a Pandora's box. You're potentially opening.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
A rewrap right.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It's kind of like pet Pee Thursday for Mike. This
morning he did another episode of what the hell has
been going on at the RBNZ at one point, But
I haven't got time to put that into this podcast
because I wanted to hear a moan about working from
home again.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Hasn't worked from home become funny? Though? See could produced
a thing called money Matters and they look at work
life balance. Actually, hasn't that become funny as well? Work
life balance? I can't place it exactly, but it seems
a covid thing. The world changed, So did we working
hard as so last year now or so last decade?
We all long for, apparently work life balance with a
good sprinkling of mental health days. But working from home
(06:13):
as a scam because, according to Money Matters, if you've
got a pay rise, you'd go back to the office
quick as you like. So is it about work life
balance or is it really about the money? You see,
everything's about money. If you're honest, we just like to
pretend it isn't You feel more virtuous if you pretend
it isn't. Ah, But money matter spills the truth. Working
from home is easier. We save on the commute. You
can claim that, well you're more productive blah blah blah,
(06:35):
and then suddenly someone goes, well, how about twenty percent more?
Oh cool, I'm out of here quick as you like.
We would work more hours for more money. We would
take on an increased workload for more money. We would
commute further for more money. There isn't much we wouldn't
do for more money. The work from home thing, by
the way, is funny because before COVID, there was virtually
no such thing. Of course, the idea that you could
(06:55):
invent a thing and then having invented it because I mean,
we're all locked down so that we had no choice,
and then turn it into a permanent thing that could
only be broken by a pay rise is the ultimate
and face. It's an insight into how quickly a habit
can form if it suits you anyway. The only other
thing that can make us blow up our precious work
life balance is more time off. But it still doesn't
beat money. It's why lotto it's popular. I guess money
(07:17):
solves everything. So the conclusion from money matters. Do we
value work life balance? My word? We do? But do
we value it more than money? Don't make me laugh.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So that's good that people are prepared to compromise and
for the sake of money.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
That's I mean, I guess that is how we run things,
is it? It?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
What a great system. Money's the most important thing everyone,
That's all you should care about. Next subject, please the rewrapped. Well,
it turns out the next subject comes to us live
from the linen department.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
We should mention Briscos, who came out yesterday. Their latest
result twenty six weeks to the end of July broadly flat,
flatish or thereabouts. Rod Duko noticed who we love. He said,
it's never been a tougher time to be in business.
But the problem with Rod is he always says that,
and he always said, oh, you know, I know we've
breaken another record, but we're for the future. And I'm
thinking that, come on, Rod, And.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Then there's another sale on at Brisco.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Exactly, you're a genius. We bought I think fifty towels
Yester the other day from from Briscos. You can't have
too many towers, can't have too many towers and face
towers and face class. Katie decided, rightly or wrongly, I
don't make that judgment. Obviously it's rightly. So anyway, she
decided she was throwing out all towels, all the flannels,
and she went and ordered some and then there's gargantuan
(08:33):
box arrived with towersand flannels and I was then dispatched
to the laundry to wash them up and make them pluffy.
So that was my day.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Do you have a problem when you travel that often
there are no flannels in the hotel?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I couldn't agree more. That's one of the work there.
And you don't know what is it you're doing. Do
you think there's a flannel and New Zealand thing.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Because sometimes there's like one.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yeah, it's gonna need more than one. No, you are right.
I don't know why we're not covering the subject, Sam
on the program later on. I mean, there's your lead
story right there. I mean, how many times you've gone
to a decent hotel and you've got there are no flannels?
And then often you can ring and go can I
have some flannels please? And you've comeing from Mars.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, or they pretend they don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Or you mean face cloths. That's a very American thing.
It's the weirdest thing. I don't have time for this, Clint.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I mean, as you could hear from the delight in
my voice, I could tell we were on to a
rich vein of human interest right away with this one.
And the feedback came flooding in, of course. But before
we get to that, it took me till about eight
forty five this morning before I remembered that they don't
call them flannels or face cloths in other parts of
(09:40):
the world. They were through to them as wash cloths
three wrap see washcloth. That's just one of those sort
of American sounding things that feels uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And I'm out anyway to that feedback.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Mike, while you were washing fifty towels, did you Well,
it's not just tells, it's towels and face cloths as well.
So while you're washing, did you have a snow of
lint all over the floor? Well, of course I did.
If not, what's the brand, Well it's not not. You
want lint, Cathy, because that's the sign of a quality
of towel. You soften them up, that's all.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
So do you do you dryer or clothedline?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
What do you think, Glenn? I don't have a closed line.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I'm just putting that out there to stir people up.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I knew what it was.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Clothes dryer. Is that a lot of people and matters
conspired against us this morning. But a lot of people
said you should travel with your flannels.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
We started doing that because you just can't.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You can't depend on there being any flannels anywhere you go.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
It's the weirdest thing, isn't it to have to pack
to travel with flannels? But then you have a wet flannel?
What do you do with it? I mean, then you're stuck,
can't you.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
So you're on holiday, So then you've got to have
a ziploc bag.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
See, because I run the one flannel per go and
then wash the flannel, And the thought of having a
wet flannel about the place is more than I can beer.
So I don't think I would travel.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Well, that's why you need fifty of them. Yeah, travel flannels.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Obviously it's such a fascinating Did you just take a
roll with you. I've just been telling the boss I
need a couple of things. I need more of me
on the program. That sounds a little bit arrogant, but
it's not the way I mean it. And or I
need a longer show because it's that sort of area
suddenly you developed and I don't have time for this.
Boss said to me, stop complaining. You're lucky to have
(11:24):
a job. And I thought that was over the top,
but that's for enough. Sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And then the boss went on to further u mix
morning this morning by telling him that we're swapping our
security system here at work from security cards you know
that you wear on a lanyard or put in your
pocket or I hit one of those pull out retractable things,
except I've broken mine this morning, and the little clip
that clips it onto my belt loop which is missing.
(11:50):
Now I've still got the retractable thing, but I've got
no way of attaching it to me anyway. I won't
have to worry about that because we're changing to a
n app on our phones, which I think is great.
Not sure yet if it's got the potential to also
be on my smart watch. But of course Mike hates
the thought of that and doesn't think it'll works, so
none of us.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Will ever be able to get into the building every again,
assuming we are. I'll be back here with another rewrap
tomorrow
Speaker 1 (12:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Rewrap there and welcome to the Rewrap for Thursday,
all the best bits from the mic hosting breakfast on
News Talks and a sillier package.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I am Glen Hart and today.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, we've all found out a lot more about Taku
to Faris, and we knew about them twenty four hours ago.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I think Mike goes off about working from home, which
is one of his pet peeves, of course.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And then we get into face cloths because I think
this is an untapped issue and it's time we all
talked about it. But before any of that, teacher pay
another sort of pet peeve of husks.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Teachers maybe maybe not accept their payoffers, maybe maybe not
go and strike yet again. You know what, I can't
help but worry about these new recruits. Now we're busy
celebrating them this week, right, Enrollments to become teachers gone
up markedly, big big increases. This seems, on the surface anyway,
to be in part a solution to a long term problem,
i e. Our permanent shortage in a profession that's lost
(01:33):
its luster. I'm not against migration to solve issues, but
there is a balance to be Striker would have thought,
and you'd like to think that the profession is actually
staffed by people who like what they do, and not
a pile of recent arrivals whose main criteria for being
in a New Zealand classroom was to be in the country,
not the job itself. So lots of new recruits, good good,
good good. But once out the other side, what awaits them?
(01:54):
And does it look like the ongoing industrial mess that
pervades our work landscape at the moment? I mean, do
these recruits know what they will get paid, what their
conditions are? Do they know what actually teaching in a
New Zealand classroom in twenty twenty five entails looks like
because somewhere between the enthusiasm of enrollment and the jaded
misery of experience a decade on something dramatically goes wrong.
(02:17):
The money seems decent to me, not spectacular, but decent,
the same way it seems decent now for nurses and doctors.
It seems to me we've got to a point where
no small amount of energy, money, money and change has
been put into education and between that and the pay,
it's not a bad deal. Yes, it's challenging, of course,
it has given kids in their issues. Yes, you would
like more specialist teachers or non contact time or whatever,
(02:38):
but negotiations are quid pro quote. The rises we have
seen in recent years, the change currently being implemented to
turbocharged performance by way of results seems to be setting
us up for a decent sort of system producing a
decent sort of outcome. Is that the unions that are
wrecking this, I mean, are they really the impediment to
most teachers just want to get on with it. We
seem at a place where the public support is most
(03:00):
certainly not what it was for the teacher's plight and
might just be tipping against them.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, and who's faults there are, Soul?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I mean, I don't think we can think we're handily
blamed like for a slight changing.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Of attitude there. But he's been pretty solid on this
point of view for a while now. So we wrap
something else.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
That's another thing that's been stuck in host kraw is
who the Labor Party color less with if they get
into government, Because in order for them to do that,
it'll probably have to be to Party Mari and it
turns out there are more than one or two questionable
members of that party.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Back to Takatai Ferris or Takata Ferris. The problem is,
if you've missed the story he doubled down on social media,
his look at the video and just come to your
own conclusions about what sort of state he's and when
he's doing it. The whole things is weird, as the
point being it discredits the Maori Party. But most importantly,
(04:01):
and I've been trying to build this up as a
story because this is going to be one of the
big talking points next year, and that is who are
Labor going to coalesce with? Who can they work with?
Can they get away with the Greens? Probably? Yes, the
Greens are nutty, Yes, there's some extremists in there, but
they can probably coor less reasonably comfortably, whether it be
in a formal coalition if they win the election. This
is why I'm telling you Labor iss not gonna win
(04:21):
next year. This is all part of my ongoing building
block argument. They will not win this next year because
these guys in the Maray Party don't for start, they
don't even want to be in government. They're not interested,
and Ferris is a classic example of that. They're all rogue.
They're out there telling people that there are journalists hiding
in the bushes filming them. I mean, they're all nuts.
(04:43):
So anyway, the problem with Ferris is he is going
at the fact that Maori seats are for Maori people only,
and you don't want your Asians or your black people
campaigning in Maori seats, and it's just it's all insanity.
And Hipkins has to explain that if they're going to
be in any way, shape or form associated with them,
and the problem is he can't. So therefore that's why
(05:06):
he's not gonna win.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And this is the that we face, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
And it's the same for people who vote for New
Zealand first when they suddenly pull in all these list MPs.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
None of us have any idea who they were.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And I'm pretty sure most of the people who voted
for Winston didn't know that they were voting for these
other people as well.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And yep, it's going to.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Be the same for the people who decide to vote
Labor next year. It's a Pandora's box. You're potentially opening.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
A rewrap right.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It's kind of like pet Pee Thursday for Mike. This
morning he did another episode of what the hell has
been going on at the RBNZ at one point, But
I haven't got time to put that into this podcast
because I wanted to hear a moan about working from
home again.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Hasn't worked from home become funny? Though? See could produced
a thing called money Matters and they look at work
life balance. Actually, hasn't that become funny as well? Work
life balance? I can't place it exactly, but it seems
a covid thing. The world changed, So did we working
hard as so last year now or so last decade?
We all long for, apparently work life balance with a
good sprinkling of mental health days. But working from home
(06:13):
as a scam because, according to Money Matters, if you've
got a pay rise, you'd go back to the office
quick as you like. So is it about work life
balance or is it really about the money? You see,
everything's about money. If you're honest, we just like to
pretend it isn't You feel more virtuous if you pretend
it isn't. Ah, But money matter spills the truth. Working
from home is easier. We save on the commute. You
can claim that, well you're more productive blah blah blah,
(06:35):
and then suddenly someone goes, well, how about twenty percent more?
Oh cool, I'm out of here quick as you like.
We would work more hours for more money. We would
take on an increased workload for more money. We would
commute further for more money. There isn't much we wouldn't
do for more money. The work from home thing, by
the way, is funny because before COVID, there was virtually
no such thing. Of course, the idea that you could
(06:55):
invent a thing and then having invented it because I mean,
we're all locked down so that we had no choice,
and then turn it into a permanent thing that could
only be broken by a pay rise is the ultimate
and face. It's an insight into how quickly a habit
can form if it suits you anyway. The only other
thing that can make us blow up our precious work
life balance is more time off. But it still doesn't
beat money. It's why lotto it's popular. I guess money
(07:17):
solves everything. So the conclusion from money matters. Do we
value work life balance? My word? We do? But do
we value it more than money? Don't make me laugh.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So that's good that people are prepared to compromise and
for the sake of money.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
That's I mean, I guess that is how we run things,
is it? It?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
What a great system. Money's the most important thing everyone,
That's all you should care about. Next subject, please the rewrapped. Well,
it turns out the next subject comes to us live
from the linen department.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
We should mention Briscos, who came out yesterday. Their latest
result twenty six weeks to the end of July broadly flat,
flatish or thereabouts. Rod Duko noticed who we love. He said,
it's never been a tougher time to be in business.
But the problem with Rod is he always says that,
and he always said, oh, you know, I know we've
breaken another record, but we're for the future. And I'm
thinking that, come on, Rod, And.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Then there's another sale on at Brisco.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Exactly, you're a genius. We bought I think fifty towels
Yester the other day from from Briscos. You can't have
too many towers, can't have too many towers and face
towers and face class. Katie decided, rightly or wrongly, I
don't make that judgment. Obviously it's rightly. So anyway, she
decided she was throwing out all towels, all the flannels,
and she went and ordered some and then there's gargantuan
(08:33):
box arrived with towersand flannels and I was then dispatched
to the laundry to wash them up and make them pluffy.
So that was my day.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Do you have a problem when you travel that often
there are no flannels in the hotel?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I couldn't agree more. That's one of the work there.
And you don't know what is it you're doing. Do
you think there's a flannel and New Zealand thing.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Because sometimes there's like one.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yeah, it's gonna need more than one. No, you are right.
I don't know why we're not covering the subject, Sam
on the program later on. I mean, there's your lead
story right there. I mean, how many times you've gone
to a decent hotel and you've got there are no flannels?
And then often you can ring and go can I
have some flannels please? And you've comeing from Mars.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, or they pretend they don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Or you mean face cloths. That's a very American thing.
It's the weirdest thing. I don't have time for this, Clint.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I mean, as you could hear from the delight in
my voice, I could tell we were on to a
rich vein of human interest right away with this one.
And the feedback came flooding in, of course. But before
we get to that, it took me till about eight
forty five this morning before I remembered that they don't
call them flannels or face cloths in other parts of
(09:40):
the world. They were through to them as wash cloths
three wrap see washcloth. That's just one of those sort
of American sounding things that feels uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And I'm out anyway to that feedback.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Mike, while you were washing fifty towels, did you Well,
it's not just tells, it's towels and face cloths as well.
So while you're washing, did you have a snow of
lint all over the floor? Well, of course I did.
If not, what's the brand, Well it's not not. You
want lint, Cathy, because that's the sign of a quality
of towel. You soften them up, that's all.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
So do you do you dryer or clothedline?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
What do you think, Glenn? I don't have a closed line.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I'm just putting that out there to stir people up.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I knew what it was.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Clothes dryer. Is that a lot of people and matters
conspired against us this morning. But a lot of people
said you should travel with your flannels.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
We started doing that because you just can't.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You can't depend on there being any flannels anywhere you go.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
It's the weirdest thing, isn't it to have to pack
to travel with flannels? But then you have a wet flannel?
What do you do with it? I mean, then you're stuck,
can't you.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
So you're on holiday, So then you've got to have
a ziploc bag.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
See, because I run the one flannel per go and
then wash the flannel, And the thought of having a
wet flannel about the place is more than I can beer.
So I don't think I would travel.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Well, that's why you need fifty of them. Yeah, travel flannels.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Obviously it's such a fascinating Did you just take a
roll with you. I've just been telling the boss I
need a couple of things. I need more of me
on the program. That sounds a little bit arrogant, but
it's not the way I mean it. And or I
need a longer show because it's that sort of area
suddenly you developed and I don't have time for this.
Boss said to me, stop complaining. You're lucky to have
(11:24):
a job. And I thought that was over the top,
but that's for enough. Sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And then the boss went on to further u mix
morning this morning by telling him that we're swapping our
security system here at work from security cards you know
that you wear on a lanyard or put in your
pocket or I hit one of those pull out retractable things,
except I've broken mine this morning, and the little clip
that clips it onto my belt loop which is missing.
(11:50):
Now I've still got the retractable thing, but I've got
no way of attaching it to me anyway. I won't
have to worry about that because we're changing to a
n app on our phones, which I think is great.
Not sure yet if it's got the potential to also
be on my smart watch. But of course Mike hates
the thought of that and doesn't think it'll works, so
none of us.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Will ever be able to get into the building every again,
assuming we are. I'll be back here with another rewrap
tomorrow
Speaker 1 (12:23):
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