October 19, 2025 • 11 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Monday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) What Exactly Do You Want?/Auckland Uni Goes Un-woke/Meat Is Back, Baby/Prescription Money I Could Have Saved/F1 Explained
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk SAIDB. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
The Rewrap there.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And Welcome to the re Wrap or Monday all the
best but from the Mic Hosking Breakfast on Newstalk SIDB
and a Sillier package I and Glenhart Today Mike's a
battle against ethnicity based policies at Auckland University. It seems
to have wait, it seems to have made some progress there.
I think, I don't know if it's something to directly
it anyway, Dawn meets, there's some kind of meat folk happening.
(00:50):
Prescription renewals, so these these these are not a repeat.
It's when you have to, you know, after three months
get a whole new prescription again. What's the timeline on that?
And a little bit of F one chat because yeahs
as I record this in fact that the F one
in Texas is still happening. But before any of that,
what do teachers want?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Very good letter from Judith Collins. I don't know that
the media you are going to run the whole thing.
They should. You should all get a copy. Everyone should
get one in the letter box and you can read it.
So first point, we regret even more, she says, in general,
regrets that the strike appears to be politically motivated by
the unions. What else could possibly explain? This was the
showstopper for me, and it was the start of the letter.
(01:30):
What else could possibly explain that in early October when
we were trying to negotiate with the secondary Teachers Union,
the number one item, the number one item on their
agenda for a meeting with Education Minister Erica Stanford was Palestine. Palestine.
That's her saying that, not me. She reiterates it, not
terms and conditions, not student achievement, not the new curriculum, Palestine.
(01:54):
That's not what students or parents should expect, is it?
I mean, does that come as a revelation to you
the country? She makes another valid point, I don't know
if it sits well with people. The country is simply
not earning enough to meet all these calls. After a
huge increase in public spending over COVID and the ensuing years,
public debt exploded and the financial year in June twenty five,
New Zealand spent eight point nine billion dollars just servicing debt.
(02:18):
This was more than the government spent on police corrections
the Ministry of Justice, Customs and Defense combined. Only by
New Zealand becoming wealthier, can we afford to spend more.
He letter goes on to outline some of the salaries
and the income's teachers. Primary teachers, sixty six percent will
be paid a base salary of at least one hundred
thousand dollars within twelve months of ratification. Latest offered to
(02:40):
secondary teachers means seventy six percent will be paid a
base salary of at least one hundred thousand dollars from the
twenty ninth of October. These are good numbers. Senior doctors,
big numbers. Nurses average salary or a graduate nurse seventy five,
seven hundred and seventy three. They're reasonable numbers. That's a
graduate nurse for goodness sake. So a decent letter. I
hope that New Zealanders get to see the actual numbers.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, I mean, so they want freedom for Palestine, They
want a pony and to be in a fire truck,
in a radio control car as well. This is it
is getting it a little bit weird, isn't it. It's rewrap, right,
So let's go up a few grades to university and
(03:23):
what's been going on in Auckland over the last few years.
Mike's not been a fan of Auckland UNI students having
to do today O courses in various things. And it
looks like that they have decided that that will not
be compulsory anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Here's the fallout now, the latest step and the Auckland
University back down on the Owy papaatel Marta Royal course.
Is the vote. So the university council had a vote.
They voted seven to two to make it voluntary, from
compulsory to voluntary. One person of state, A lot of
staff wrote a letter complaining. Hundreds of staff wrote a
letter complaining they wanted it to stay compulsory, giving I
suspect an insight into what a bunch of control freaks
(04:01):
a lot of university staff are. As far as balls
ups go, this is a good one. A university making
a course far less cultural leaders. Of course, compulsory has
to be seen as the height I would have thought
of academic arrogance. University is not about compulsion, it's more
about exploration. It was an appalling decision, always destined to
end in tears given no one asked for it, and
those forced onto it didn't want it, all like it
(04:23):
all the while they got to be guinea pigs and
a cultural and race based experiment. Noah, the university followed suit.
So after the inevitable blacklash, the backdown. So some questions
as to recompense. What about those who were forced to
pay for this compulsion? I mean, a course that went
nowhere is worth nothing, and yet students took out debt
for the bill. Where's the refund? What about the lost
study opportunities, the courses that weren't taken because kids were
(04:45):
forced to study something they didn't want to. How long
does it take to make up the lost time? What
about the costs associated with a setup, the hiring, the organization,
the running of an event that, in the grand scheme
of things, never got off the ground. What level of
fiscal and energetic waste is there in that? Perhaps most
importantly of all, has a decent lesson been learned? Have
not just Auckland but all universities seeing the damage that
(05:05):
arrogance and ignorance can do, the damage to the reputationtion
of an organization, the damage to an offering. I e
university study that's supposed to be based on freedom and
free will of exploration and learning, not regiment and dictatorial oversight.
The students who were forced into this nonsense deserved two
very specific things, One an apology, two then money back.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yes, so much the same way that the Coyalition government
seems to make their policy based on suggestions that might
make the sentence. It seems like wewk On University is
doing that now as well. It's just easier for everyone, guys, right, man,
is meat ever back? Meat meat, Meat meats on the arp,
Dawn meats, it's a new.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Dawn, fascinating day to day. In fact, the Alliance Meat
Works voters on Dawn Meat's Irish have offered two hundred
and seventy million dollars for sixty five percent. The offer
was two hundred and fifty million, but then came the
Alliance profit more than they thought, and then that as
part of the story. Actually, another story that ties in
is Fonterra, a vote also coming there with the latalisbud,
but made fascinating as well by the entry of the
(06:05):
Foreign Minister who opened his account with about of public concern.
The up the ante with a good dose of Winston
esque threat regulation, he says might be needed if the
sale goes ahead. So first thing to acknowledge is the
simple truth that neither Winston nor I are Alliance or Fonterra.
Shareholders therefore have no say. But where Winston and I
worry is in the Alliance case, is it not yet
(06:25):
another company of New Zealand origin selling themselves up to
foreigners who may or may not do right by us.
Part of the Alliance argument is the debt pile is
so high. The deadline from the banks's December Basically, if
you don't vote to sell, we're finished. And yet a
company that couldn't turn a profit suddenly is now. There are,
of course complexities to any story. There are synergies for
Dawn Meats. They have access to European supermarkets. It could
(06:47):
in fact be a great story. I'm a commercialist as
well as a patriots. I'm a bit conflicted on this one,
saying with Fontira, I'm not a farmer, but I am
a New Zealander who loves to think we can make
and sell stuff and not need to be constantly bought out.
A good example might be whatt is a New Zealand
icon sold to Hines who now don't support local growers
the way they used to because it's cheaper to import stuff.
(07:07):
Control of your destiny is never to be underestimated, and
you lose that when you cash the check. In Fonterra's case,
we become a customer. In Alliance's case, we become a
branch office. Doesn't mean they're not good deals, doesn't mean
they won't go ahead for at least partially the right reasons.
But if in ten years it didn't work out the
way we thought, regret isn't an income spring.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah. I feel like meat was in trouble for a
while there, and then everybody decided that, you know, the
meat that's not meat wasn't any good, and so everybody's
back into meat. Good time for meat. The rewrapp Like
I said, meat too many times now. I'm not sure
if it's been the cause of why I had to
take so many pells in the morning to keep myself alive.
(07:52):
The main question is, given that I seem to be
having to take those pills for the rest of my life,
why is it every three months I had to pay
another thirty bucks to get a new prescription.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Mike, can you please ask the Prime Minister all the
good newsgalers. I don't need to, because I've got your answer.
When a doctor prescription is due to be changed to
you at the moment, especially people on lifetime medication, are
having to apply for a new script every three months,
sometimes costing them more than having a consultation. The answers
by the end of the year. The legislation's got to
go through the end of the year. I raised this
on the program about a week ago. What I wasn't
aware of. My understanding was always that you did it
(08:24):
every three or six months based on the are you
on the right pills? Have you grown a third leg?
Is the problem with the medication? It was that, whereas
clearly appears to be just as much about administration. So
in other words, the pharmacy gets some chi ching and
the doctor every time gets a bit of chiching, and
it seems to me to be sort of a money
(08:44):
earning exercise. But anyway, the answers to your question is
by the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, so my latest prescription, I've probably got about twenty
days left or something before I'm going to have to
reap that again. Can we get that through before then, please,
it'd be great.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It's a rerapy.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
As I said at the beginning of the podcast, the
United States Grand Prix and Texas is on laws and
still eleventh with eleven laps to go. Oh but this
was him before the race.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
They're about to go in Texas. As they walked down
to the cars, Heres, Liam, Liam, how are.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You feeling a bit warm?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
But good?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I think we had your ace bath this morning.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Just a lot of ice.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Around right now, but it's it's closed.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It's going to be tough. Everybody's very similar pace, but
the wind's completely opposites yesterday, so it's going to be
tough for us.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
It'll be yeeha through the s is though on the
first sector we have more low now through the s's,
so it's going to be quicker.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah. I think Martin was trying to make it sort
of lighthearted and Liam was probably concentrating on the job.
So he starts twelfth today. He did okay in the
sprint race over the weekend. There's two more sprint races
to come for the rest of the season. The real story,
of course, is that the McLaren's crashed and the step
in one that was in the sprint race, so the
gap closes even more, and the discussion around the F
(10:00):
one circles on the so called Papya rules and whether
these guys can actually race and whether it's a big
stitch up against pstre becomes increasingly fascinating and the ongoing
story Helmet Marco interviewed over the weekend. They're making a
decision on the red bull seats, and the red bull
seats include the racing bull seats. They're making a decision
post Mexico, so a couple of races away and they'll
know where Yuki is. And you can tell if you
(10:22):
followed the F one over the weekend. There's a thing
going on at the moment between Lawson and Sonoda and
Sonoda is particularly edgy at the moment, and Lawson's hiding
most of it, but they must be under tremendous pressure.
And then that's before you get to Hadja, who in
the sprint qualification over the weekend, drove into the wall
(10:42):
in a way that he sort of did in Melbourne
at the very beginning of the season, except this time
who wasn't raining. You just sort of lost control of
the crab went into the wall, and is that called
doing a hosking? Is very similar to doing a hosking.
But what hosking didn't do IM here to tell you
is is it clearly very emotional guy Isaac or e
Zach as they call him, because he started hitting himself
in the head. But he I don't know whether he
knew he had his helmet on still or whether he
(11:04):
was concusting he didn't realize his helmet is on. But
I just think when the world's watching you and you've
made a mistake, no problem, Just get your head down,
walk away quietly. Don't hit yourself in the head because
it makes you look unhinged.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's an interesting one, that isn't it? Is it weird
to hit yourself on the head with or without your
helmet on? Like I mean, obviously, in some ways it's
more sensible to do it with a helmet on so
you don't hit yourself. But at the same time, it
doesn't really have any effect if you do it with
your helmet on, does it either same? Oh, it's a conundrum.
(11:37):
All right. I'll leave you with that and we'll be
back with more brain teasers tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Seving for more from News Talks B listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk SAIDB. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
The Rewrap there.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And Welcome to the re Wrap or Monday all the
best but from the Mic Hosking Breakfast on Newstalk SIDB
and a Sillier package I and Glenhart Today Mike's a
battle against ethnicity based policies at Auckland University. It seems
to have wait, it seems to have made some progress there.
I think, I don't know if it's something to directly
it anyway, Dawn meets, there's some kind of meat folk happening.
(00:50):
Prescription renewals, so these these these are not a repeat.
It's when you have to, you know, after three months
get a whole new prescription again. What's the timeline on that?
And a little bit of F one chat because yeahs
as I record this in fact that the F one
in Texas is still happening. But before any of that,
what do teachers want?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Very good letter from Judith Collins. I don't know that
the media you are going to run the whole thing.
They should. You should all get a copy. Everyone should
get one in the letter box and you can read it.
So first point, we regret even more, she says, in general,
regrets that the strike appears to be politically motivated by
the unions. What else could possibly explain? This was the
showstopper for me, and it was the start of the letter.
(01:30):
What else could possibly explain that in early October when
we were trying to negotiate with the secondary Teachers Union,
the number one item, the number one item on their
agenda for a meeting with Education Minister Erica Stanford was Palestine. Palestine.
That's her saying that, not me. She reiterates it, not
terms and conditions, not student achievement, not the new curriculum, Palestine.
(01:54):
That's not what students or parents should expect, is it?
I mean, does that come as a revelation to you
the country? She makes another valid point, I don't know
if it sits well with people. The country is simply
not earning enough to meet all these calls. After a
huge increase in public spending over COVID and the ensuing years,
public debt exploded and the financial year in June twenty five,
New Zealand spent eight point nine billion dollars just servicing debt.
(02:18):
This was more than the government spent on police corrections
the Ministry of Justice, Customs and Defense combined. Only by
New Zealand becoming wealthier, can we afford to spend more.
He letter goes on to outline some of the salaries
and the income's teachers. Primary teachers, sixty six percent will
be paid a base salary of at least one hundred
thousand dollars within twelve months of ratification. Latest offered to
(02:40):
secondary teachers means seventy six percent will be paid a
base salary of at least one hundred thousand dollars from the
twenty ninth of October. These are good numbers. Senior doctors,
big numbers. Nurses average salary or a graduate nurse seventy five,
seven hundred and seventy three. They're reasonable numbers. That's a
graduate nurse for goodness sake. So a decent letter. I
hope that New Zealanders get to see the actual numbers.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, I mean, so they want freedom for Palestine, They
want a pony and to be in a fire truck,
in a radio control car as well. This is it
is getting it a little bit weird, isn't it. It's rewrap, right,
So let's go up a few grades to university and
(03:23):
what's been going on in Auckland over the last few years.
Mike's not been a fan of Auckland UNI students having
to do today O courses in various things. And it
looks like that they have decided that that will not
be compulsory anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Here's the fallout now, the latest step and the Auckland
University back down on the Owy papaatel Marta Royal course.
Is the vote. So the university council had a vote.
They voted seven to two to make it voluntary, from
compulsory to voluntary. One person of state, A lot of
staff wrote a letter complaining. Hundreds of staff wrote a
letter complaining they wanted it to stay compulsory, giving I
suspect an insight into what a bunch of control freaks
(04:01):
a lot of university staff are. As far as balls
ups go, this is a good one. A university making
a course far less cultural leaders. Of course, compulsory has
to be seen as the height I would have thought
of academic arrogance. University is not about compulsion, it's more
about exploration. It was an appalling decision, always destined to
end in tears given no one asked for it, and
those forced onto it didn't want it, all like it
(04:23):
all the while they got to be guinea pigs and
a cultural and race based experiment. Noah, the university followed suit.
So after the inevitable blacklash, the backdown. So some questions
as to recompense. What about those who were forced to
pay for this compulsion? I mean, a course that went
nowhere is worth nothing, and yet students took out debt
for the bill. Where's the refund? What about the lost
study opportunities, the courses that weren't taken because kids were
(04:45):
forced to study something they didn't want to. How long
does it take to make up the lost time? What
about the costs associated with a setup, the hiring, the organization,
the running of an event that, in the grand scheme
of things, never got off the ground. What level of
fiscal and energetic waste is there in that? Perhaps most
importantly of all, has a decent lesson been learned? Have
not just Auckland but all universities seeing the damage that
(05:05):
arrogance and ignorance can do, the damage to the reputationtion
of an organization, the damage to an offering. I e
university study that's supposed to be based on freedom and
free will of exploration and learning, not regiment and dictatorial oversight.
The students who were forced into this nonsense deserved two
very specific things, One an apology, two then money back.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yes, so much the same way that the Coyalition government
seems to make their policy based on suggestions that might
make the sentence. It seems like wewk On University is
doing that now as well. It's just easier for everyone, guys, right, man,
is meat ever back? Meat meat, Meat meats on the arp,
Dawn meats, it's a new.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Dawn, fascinating day to day. In fact, the Alliance Meat
Works voters on Dawn Meat's Irish have offered two hundred
and seventy million dollars for sixty five percent. The offer
was two hundred and fifty million, but then came the
Alliance profit more than they thought, and then that as
part of the story. Actually, another story that ties in
is Fonterra, a vote also coming there with the latalisbud,
but made fascinating as well by the entry of the
(06:05):
Foreign Minister who opened his account with about of public concern.
The up the ante with a good dose of Winston
esque threat regulation, he says might be needed if the
sale goes ahead. So first thing to acknowledge is the
simple truth that neither Winston nor I are Alliance or Fonterra.
Shareholders therefore have no say. But where Winston and I
worry is in the Alliance case, is it not yet
(06:25):
another company of New Zealand origin selling themselves up to
foreigners who may or may not do right by us.
Part of the Alliance argument is the debt pile is
so high. The deadline from the banks's December Basically, if
you don't vote to sell, we're finished. And yet a
company that couldn't turn a profit suddenly is now. There are,
of course complexities to any story. There are synergies for
Dawn Meats. They have access to European supermarkets. It could
(06:47):
in fact be a great story. I'm a commercialist as
well as a patriots. I'm a bit conflicted on this one,
saying with Fontira, I'm not a farmer, but I am
a New Zealander who loves to think we can make
and sell stuff and not need to be constantly bought out.
A good example might be whatt is a New Zealand
icon sold to Hines who now don't support local growers
the way they used to because it's cheaper to import stuff.
(07:07):
Control of your destiny is never to be underestimated, and
you lose that when you cash the check. In Fonterra's case,
we become a customer. In Alliance's case, we become a
branch office. Doesn't mean they're not good deals, doesn't mean
they won't go ahead for at least partially the right reasons.
But if in ten years it didn't work out the
way we thought, regret isn't an income spring.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah. I feel like meat was in trouble for a
while there, and then everybody decided that, you know, the
meat that's not meat wasn't any good, and so everybody's
back into meat. Good time for meat. The rewrapp Like
I said, meat too many times now. I'm not sure
if it's been the cause of why I had to
take so many pells in the morning to keep myself alive.
(07:52):
The main question is, given that I seem to be
having to take those pills for the rest of my life,
why is it every three months I had to pay
another thirty bucks to get a new prescription.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Mike, can you please ask the Prime Minister all the
good newsgalers. I don't need to, because I've got your answer.
When a doctor prescription is due to be changed to
you at the moment, especially people on lifetime medication, are
having to apply for a new script every three months,
sometimes costing them more than having a consultation. The answers
by the end of the year. The legislation's got to
go through the end of the year. I raised this
on the program about a week ago. What I wasn't
aware of. My understanding was always that you did it
(08:24):
every three or six months based on the are you
on the right pills? Have you grown a third leg?
Is the problem with the medication? It was that, whereas
clearly appears to be just as much about administration. So
in other words, the pharmacy gets some chi ching and
the doctor every time gets a bit of chiching, and
it seems to me to be sort of a money
(08:44):
earning exercise. But anyway, the answers to your question is
by the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, so my latest prescription, I've probably got about twenty
days left or something before I'm going to have to
reap that again. Can we get that through before then, please,
it'd be great.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It's a rerapy.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
As I said at the beginning of the podcast, the
United States Grand Prix and Texas is on laws and
still eleventh with eleven laps to go. Oh but this
was him before the race.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
They're about to go in Texas. As they walked down
to the cars, Heres, Liam, Liam, how are.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You feeling a bit warm?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
But good?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I think we had your ace bath this morning.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Just a lot of ice.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Around right now, but it's it's closed.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
It's going to be tough. Everybody's very similar pace, but
the wind's completely opposites yesterday, so it's going to be
tough for us.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
It'll be yeeha through the s is though on the
first sector we have more low now through the s's,
so it's going to be quicker.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah. I think Martin was trying to make it sort
of lighthearted and Liam was probably concentrating on the job.
So he starts twelfth today. He did okay in the
sprint race over the weekend. There's two more sprint races
to come for the rest of the season. The real story,
of course, is that the McLaren's crashed and the step
in one that was in the sprint race, so the
gap closes even more, and the discussion around the F
(10:00):
one circles on the so called Papya rules and whether
these guys can actually race and whether it's a big
stitch up against pstre becomes increasingly fascinating and the ongoing
story Helmet Marco interviewed over the weekend. They're making a
decision on the red bull seats, and the red bull
seats include the racing bull seats. They're making a decision
post Mexico, so a couple of races away and they'll
know where Yuki is. And you can tell if you
(10:22):
followed the F one over the weekend. There's a thing
going on at the moment between Lawson and Sonoda and
Sonoda is particularly edgy at the moment, and Lawson's hiding
most of it, but they must be under tremendous pressure.
And then that's before you get to Hadja, who in
the sprint qualification over the weekend, drove into the wall
(10:42):
in a way that he sort of did in Melbourne
at the very beginning of the season, except this time
who wasn't raining. You just sort of lost control of
the crab went into the wall, and is that called
doing a hosking? Is very similar to doing a hosking.
But what hosking didn't do IM here to tell you
is is it clearly very emotional guy Isaac or e
Zach as they call him, because he started hitting himself
in the head. But he I don't know whether he
knew he had his helmet on still or whether he
(11:04):
was concusting he didn't realize his helmet is on. But
I just think when the world's watching you and you've
made a mistake, no problem, Just get your head down,
walk away quietly. Don't hit yourself in the head because
it makes you look unhinged.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's an interesting one, that isn't it? Is it weird
to hit yourself on the head with or without your
helmet on? Like I mean, obviously, in some ways it's
more sensible to do it with a helmet on so
you don't hit yourself. But at the same time, it
doesn't really have any effect if you do it with
your helmet on, does it either same? Oh, it's a conundrum.
(11:37):
All right. I'll leave you with that and we'll be
back with more brain teasers tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Seving for more from News Talks B listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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