October 21, 2025 • 11 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Wednesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) And Again, A Little Short On Detail/The Gap Between Jobs and the Jobless/The Gas Is Back On/Do Protests Work?/Weird World of Webb
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap. Okay there and welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday.
All the best that's from the my casting breakfast on
news Talk said be in a sillier package.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I am Glen Hart and.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Today we're back thinking about youth job seekers again because
there seems to be jobs, just not in the right
places and in the right things.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
It's complicated.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
They're looking for gas. That that's good. I guess.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Do protests ever work?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And what what's where in the world is duncan web
That's what we're playing at the.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
End of the podcast. But first up, Labor Hot off
the back of.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Their very well received future Fun policy, we've now got
them doing something about how much it costs to go
to the doctor.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
So hipkins, yes, I mean, what a dofis? I mean, honestly,
Aur a whole two years to wind yourself up into
some policy release day number one. You cock it up completely.
And why don't they sit around so you're in the room,
you're brainstorming your blue skying. Why aren't you in the
room going right? If we're going to say this on
our policy. One of the first questions going to be
(01:32):
who's running it, what businesses are involved? You know, in
other words, specifics. The questions are going to be specifics.
Given those are the questions coming, what is it we're
going to say? So you got some planning, So cock
up day number one, cock up day number two. Whoops,
I thought it was tomorrow. So Asha's not even there,
she writes the article in the Doctor magazine. He doesn't
(01:52):
know anything about that, doesn't have a clue. And our
later comes back for the press conference and goes, hi,
I thought it was tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
My bad two years.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And he can't get it right. So then the critical
part of this actual policy to create, and this is
what's in the Doctor magazine, to create an independence authority
to set sustainable prices for general practice. Now what does
that mean? Who are these independence and what are they
going to do? Is is that sustainable prices for me
and you? So they're going to go, Look the seventy
(02:22):
dollars that you're paying at the GP at the moment
you count afford that, So let's make it fifty. So
what's the GP going to go? They can't charge more
than fifty how communist is that they don't already get
funded enough money to pay for their services anyway. And
so suddenly the Labor Party, through their independence, are going
to be able to tell doctors how much they can
charge and how much you and I pay who makes
(02:43):
up the difference? And then he sees hepkins, no one's
interested in that anyway. What an idiot.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So there's the Labor Party now to sort of blue
skying random ideas and pitching them as policies for just
putting them out there and seeing if anybody is even
remotely interested.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Very very strange.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's so rewrap.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I wonder if they're going to do anything about linking
out the.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
People who don't have jobs with the jobs that seem
to be available.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It's a bit of a sticking point.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
If you ever wanted an example of the job's mismatch,
have I got your insight now? As the news bulletins
rolled out the usual bunch of moners this week complaining
about the government's latest requirements for those without work, Ie
they have to apply for three jobs and prove But
I'm reading about where the actual jobs are now post
the move on the eighteen and nineteen year olds You
might remember a couple of weeks ago the media spent
no small amount of energy telling us how there were
(03:35):
no jobs to be found. They'd taken great umbridge at
the Prime Minister, suggesting employers were crying out for workers.
The PM turns out to be right. In manufacturing, engineering
and Logistics as an industry, we've got a skilled shortage
of one hundred and fifty seven thousand. Now that's actually
more jobs than there are jobless. An UNA as you
Learn pilot has been trialed in Wycato. It's got a
(03:57):
ninety percent completion rate. It's now being expanded into Wellington. Now,
the consumer within the industry's age a lot of workers
nearing retirement. They need young people one to know about
the jobs and opportunities, and two they need them to
hook into the idea of a career within these industries
or else like, too many jobs in this country will
need to import people. Now, personally, I'm not against importing people,
but it does seem old that you've got so many
(04:17):
jobs and so many job less and yet we can't
seem to join the dots. I'm just not sure how
bad it has to get before the penny drops that
no skills is a ticket to nowhere. The refusal to
move from small towns to where the jobs actually are
is a ticket to nowhere. Or the idea you can
spend years at school and still not have the slightest
clue as to what it is you want to do
is a that's right ticket to nowhere. It is the
(04:39):
interface between a country and a government providing us with
opportunities and openings, and the individual that at some point
actually has to want to get off their backside and
do something productive with their lives. An industry with a
skills gap of one hundred and fifty seven thousand in
a country the size of New Zealand is an abject failure.
When there is more energy put in by unions and
(04:59):
social agencies writing press releases to newsrooms, bagging governments and
jobless rules than there is actually connecting people to jobs,
the old priority needs to be tipped on its head.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yes, that whole thing, isn't it At the end of
the day, very difficult to make people.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Work who don't actually want to work. It's very very tricky.
I don't know how you fix that rewrap.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It does like if you are good at drilling for gas,
there might be a job for you off the Taranaki coast.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Again, here's something that's not been covered. For what reason.
I have no idea. We've got the first application for
offshore oil and gas exploration under the government's new regime.
So there is somebody ready to go in Australian firm
they registered two months ago. They want five hundred and
forty six square kilometers off the coast of South Taranaki,
third largest petroleum drilling zone if granted, so they can
(05:49):
specify a zone, which they have they're interested in mining it.
What happens now is you've got a three month open
market window in which other companies can apply for permits.
Any conflicts are resolved by the Minister of Resources. That's
mister Jones of course, Endzet Energy of the company concerned.
They submitted the paperwork October ten, approved October sixteen. Other
firms now have got till January sixth. So we're back
in business. Where's the headline on this. We're back in
(06:12):
business and the oil and gus fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
So I guess this is good news, although I don't
think anything's changed in that gas is a fossil fuel
and it's limited and it will eventually run out sometime.
I mean, I get that. You know, we can drill
for it now and have some now, but we are
still going to have to come up with a plan. B.
(06:34):
I hope nobody forgets about that. It's the rewrap.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
In recent times you may have heard the hearts to
make a few comments about various different protests. It doesn't
seem to really be a fan.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
You know, the No Kings march in America. I mean,
what actually is the point think about it? And tomorrow
is going to be another one. What actually is the
point of waving placards or in the boom the bill case,
lighting fires on beaches, the bill they want to burn,
as we've just been discussing as the Marine and Coastal
Area Amendment Bill. The amendment part is the bit where
it's being returned to what it got messed up with court,
(07:10):
as you've just heard Paul explain, given the courts are
increasingly interventionists and all that's happening in the law, it's
being returned to what it was. And what it was
is have you had ongoing access to the bit of
water or coastline since the eighteen hundreds, and if you haven't,
you might not have an argument. That's it. It is,
of course all angsty because it's all race based. David
Seymour and not yesterday called the lighting of fires on
the beach unenlightened and anti intellectual, and I thought he's
(07:33):
probably a mixture of being right and I suspect slightly antagonistic.
But here's my question, to what point, to what end?
I mean, I get it there are those who are
exercised and don't like it. I get that fair enough,
But guess what Lighting a fire at a beach isn't
going to change it? Clearly, are the petition they had
one of those two twenty thousand signatures. It's not even
a big petition. Seventy six thousand people signed one to
(07:56):
stop me hosting the election debates on television back in
twenty seventeen. If seventy six thousand doesn't stop a television host,
twenty thousand doesn't stop a law. Clearly Trump won the
election in America easily. He's doing nothing he said he would. Now, Yes,
it's mad and unhinged if you don't like him, but
he's doing it because he's got the support of enough
people to do it. The same way. This government is
(08:17):
amending law because they said they would and they won
the election. We must always, of course, retain the right
to protest, unless it's actually over the Auckland Harbor Bridge.
I hate that, but that's about geographics, not right, but protest.
I think Losers has lost a lot of its impact
because it's become a habit, it's a default, it's the
pastime of the board and the obsessed. It's become a
(08:38):
cottage industry. If we put the same energy into productive outcomes,
this country could be amazing. So you lit a fire
on a beach last night, how'd that work out for you?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Just thinking about some of the protests that we've seen, Yeah,
you've got the whole climate extinction people. Could we engineer
it away that various different protests that have come up
against each other and then cancel each other out because
I can't imagine that the climate extinction people are very
keen about people lighting fires.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
On beaches, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And so if we could just get them both together
on the same beach, maybe they would just equal nothing
and no protests.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Everything would be solved. The ReRAM we're going to finish
up here with a bit of a weird one.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
So a bloke's decided he's stepping down from politics and
for some reason it's really got the hask worked out.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Duncan web what happened with him? So Duncan Web, you say,
and a lot of you are going to go who
Duncan's been an MP for nine years in christ Church,
christ Church Central, all the nice bits of christ Church
where I come from, Saint Albans, Marae, haw Linwood, that's
christ Chuge Central for you. Anyway, Duncan's quitting and he
wants to go off quote unquote adventuring. He's quitting to
(09:50):
go adventuring. Now is that a guy running from sinking
ship or what I mean? You don't quit a job
to go adventuring. I mean, as they haven't sacked them,
they can't sack them. So why is he leaving after
such a short period of time. It's not like he's
been there for one hundred years, been there for nine
to go adventuring? Something doesn't add up?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, So off off for adventure. Hall in Clact did that, basically,
didn't she? She called it a day and then went
off adventuring. It's very sort of eighteenth nineteenth century.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
That isn't it. I'm just going off to be an adventurer.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't know, is he the adventurer. Maybe he is
the adventure of some type. Might keep coming back to
this again and again. He just can't understand why somebody
would ever stop working. Well, and I informed him that,
you know, if I could stop working tomorrow, I would,
But yeah, he couldn't understand that either.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Anyway, I'm going to stop working now.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Let you get on with your day and we'll be
back for another news talks. He had been tomorrow morning
by another one of these.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
A little bit later on.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
For more from Newstalk, said b listen live on air
or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Rewrap. Okay there and welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday.
All the best that's from the my casting breakfast on
news Talk said be in a sillier package.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I am Glen Hart and.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Today we're back thinking about youth job seekers again because
there seems to be jobs, just not in the right
places and in the right things.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
It's complicated.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
They're looking for gas. That that's good. I guess.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Do protests ever work?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And what what's where in the world is duncan web
That's what we're playing at the.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
End of the podcast. But first up, Labor Hot off
the back of.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Their very well received future Fun policy, we've now got
them doing something about how much it costs to go
to the doctor.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
So hipkins, yes, I mean, what a dofis? I mean, honestly,
Aur a whole two years to wind yourself up into
some policy release day number one. You cock it up completely.
And why don't they sit around so you're in the room,
you're brainstorming your blue skying. Why aren't you in the
room going right? If we're going to say this on
our policy. One of the first questions going to be
(01:32):
who's running it, what businesses are involved? You know, in
other words, specifics. The questions are going to be specifics.
Given those are the questions coming, what is it we're
going to say? So you got some planning, So cock
up day number one, cock up day number two. Whoops,
I thought it was tomorrow. So Asha's not even there,
she writes the article in the Doctor magazine. He doesn't
(01:52):
know anything about that, doesn't have a clue. And our
later comes back for the press conference and goes, hi,
I thought it was tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
My bad two years.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And he can't get it right. So then the critical
part of this actual policy to create, and this is
what's in the Doctor magazine, to create an independence authority
to set sustainable prices for general practice. Now what does
that mean? Who are these independence and what are they
going to do? Is is that sustainable prices for me
and you? So they're going to go, Look the seventy
(02:22):
dollars that you're paying at the GP at the moment
you count afford that, So let's make it fifty. So
what's the GP going to go? They can't charge more
than fifty how communist is that they don't already get
funded enough money to pay for their services anyway. And
so suddenly the Labor Party, through their independence, are going
to be able to tell doctors how much they can
charge and how much you and I pay who makes
(02:43):
up the difference? And then he sees hepkins, no one's
interested in that anyway. What an idiot.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
So there's the Labor Party now to sort of blue
skying random ideas and pitching them as policies for just
putting them out there and seeing if anybody is even
remotely interested.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Very very strange.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's so rewrap.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I wonder if they're going to do anything about linking
out the.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
People who don't have jobs with the jobs that seem
to be available.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
It's a bit of a sticking point.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
If you ever wanted an example of the job's mismatch,
have I got your insight now? As the news bulletins
rolled out the usual bunch of moners this week complaining
about the government's latest requirements for those without work, Ie
they have to apply for three jobs and prove But
I'm reading about where the actual jobs are now post
the move on the eighteen and nineteen year olds You
might remember a couple of weeks ago the media spent
no small amount of energy telling us how there were
(03:35):
no jobs to be found. They'd taken great umbridge at
the Prime Minister, suggesting employers were crying out for workers.
The PM turns out to be right. In manufacturing, engineering
and Logistics as an industry, we've got a skilled shortage
of one hundred and fifty seven thousand. Now that's actually
more jobs than there are jobless. An UNA as you
Learn pilot has been trialed in Wycato. It's got a
(03:57):
ninety percent completion rate. It's now being expanded into Wellington. Now,
the consumer within the industry's age a lot of workers
nearing retirement. They need young people one to know about
the jobs and opportunities, and two they need them to
hook into the idea of a career within these industries
or else like, too many jobs in this country will
need to import people. Now, personally, I'm not against importing people,
but it does seem old that you've got so many
(04:17):
jobs and so many job less and yet we can't
seem to join the dots. I'm just not sure how
bad it has to get before the penny drops that
no skills is a ticket to nowhere. The refusal to
move from small towns to where the jobs actually are
is a ticket to nowhere. Or the idea you can
spend years at school and still not have the slightest
clue as to what it is you want to do
is a that's right ticket to nowhere. It is the
(04:39):
interface between a country and a government providing us with
opportunities and openings, and the individual that at some point
actually has to want to get off their backside and
do something productive with their lives. An industry with a
skills gap of one hundred and fifty seven thousand in
a country the size of New Zealand is an abject failure.
When there is more energy put in by unions and
(04:59):
social agencies writing press releases to newsrooms, bagging governments and
jobless rules than there is actually connecting people to jobs,
the old priority needs to be tipped on its head.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yes, that whole thing, isn't it At the end of
the day, very difficult to make people.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Work who don't actually want to work. It's very very tricky.
I don't know how you fix that rewrap.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It does like if you are good at drilling for gas,
there might be a job for you off the Taranaki coast.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Again, here's something that's not been covered. For what reason.
I have no idea. We've got the first application for
offshore oil and gas exploration under the government's new regime.
So there is somebody ready to go in Australian firm
they registered two months ago. They want five hundred and
forty six square kilometers off the coast of South Taranaki,
third largest petroleum drilling zone if granted, so they can
(05:49):
specify a zone, which they have they're interested in mining it.
What happens now is you've got a three month open
market window in which other companies can apply for permits.
Any conflicts are resolved by the Minister of Resources. That's
mister Jones of course, Endzet Energy of the company concerned.
They submitted the paperwork October ten, approved October sixteen. Other
firms now have got till January sixth. So we're back
in business. Where's the headline on this. We're back in
(06:12):
business and the oil and gus fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
So I guess this is good news, although I don't
think anything's changed in that gas is a fossil fuel
and it's limited and it will eventually run out sometime.
I mean, I get that. You know, we can drill
for it now and have some now, but we are
still going to have to come up with a plan. B.
(06:34):
I hope nobody forgets about that. It's the rewrap.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
In recent times you may have heard the hearts to
make a few comments about various different protests. It doesn't
seem to really be a fan.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
You know, the No Kings march in America. I mean,
what actually is the point think about it? And tomorrow
is going to be another one. What actually is the
point of waving placards or in the boom the bill case,
lighting fires on beaches, the bill they want to burn,
as we've just been discussing as the Marine and Coastal
Area Amendment Bill. The amendment part is the bit where
it's being returned to what it got messed up with court,
(07:10):
as you've just heard Paul explain, given the courts are
increasingly interventionists and all that's happening in the law, it's
being returned to what it was. And what it was
is have you had ongoing access to the bit of
water or coastline since the eighteen hundreds, and if you haven't,
you might not have an argument. That's it. It is,
of course all angsty because it's all race based. David
Seymour and not yesterday called the lighting of fires on
the beach unenlightened and anti intellectual, and I thought he's
(07:33):
probably a mixture of being right and I suspect slightly antagonistic.
But here's my question, to what point, to what end?
I mean, I get it there are those who are
exercised and don't like it. I get that fair enough,
But guess what Lighting a fire at a beach isn't
going to change it? Clearly, are the petition they had
one of those two twenty thousand signatures. It's not even
a big petition. Seventy six thousand people signed one to
(07:56):
stop me hosting the election debates on television back in
twenty seventeen. If seventy six thousand doesn't stop a television host,
twenty thousand doesn't stop a law. Clearly Trump won the
election in America easily. He's doing nothing he said he would. Now, Yes,
it's mad and unhinged if you don't like him, but
he's doing it because he's got the support of enough
people to do it. The same way. This government is
(08:17):
amending law because they said they would and they won
the election. We must always, of course, retain the right
to protest, unless it's actually over the Auckland Harbor Bridge.
I hate that, but that's about geographics, not right, but protest.
I think Losers has lost a lot of its impact
because it's become a habit, it's a default, it's the
pastime of the board and the obsessed. It's become a
(08:38):
cottage industry. If we put the same energy into productive outcomes,
this country could be amazing. So you lit a fire
on a beach last night, how'd that work out for you?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Just thinking about some of the protests that we've seen, Yeah,
you've got the whole climate extinction people. Could we engineer
it away that various different protests that have come up
against each other and then cancel each other out because
I can't imagine that the climate extinction people are very
keen about people lighting fires.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
On beaches, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And so if we could just get them both together
on the same beach, maybe they would just equal nothing
and no protests.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Everything would be solved. The ReRAM we're going to finish
up here with a bit of a weird one.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
So a bloke's decided he's stepping down from politics and
for some reason it's really got the hask worked out.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Duncan web what happened with him? So Duncan Web, you say,
and a lot of you are going to go who
Duncan's been an MP for nine years in christ Church,
christ Church Central, all the nice bits of christ Church
where I come from, Saint Albans, Marae, haw Linwood, that's
christ Chuge Central for you. Anyway, Duncan's quitting and he
wants to go off quote unquote adventuring. He's quitting to
(09:50):
go adventuring. Now is that a guy running from sinking
ship or what I mean? You don't quit a job
to go adventuring. I mean, as they haven't sacked them,
they can't sack them. So why is he leaving after
such a short period of time. It's not like he's
been there for one hundred years, been there for nine
to go adventuring? Something doesn't add up?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, So off off for adventure. Hall in Clact did that, basically,
didn't she? She called it a day and then went
off adventuring. It's very sort of eighteenth nineteenth century.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
That isn't it. I'm just going off to be an adventurer.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't know, is he the adventurer. Maybe he is
the adventure of some type. Might keep coming back to
this again and again. He just can't understand why somebody
would ever stop working. Well, and I informed him that,
you know, if I could stop working tomorrow, I would,
But yeah, he couldn't understand that either.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Anyway, I'm going to stop working now.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Let you get on with your day and we'll be
back for another news talks. He had been tomorrow morning
by another one of these.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
A little bit later on.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
For more from Newstalk, said b listen live on air
or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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