November 2, 2025 • 13 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Monday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) We Used to Like You. Now I'm Not So Sure/Don't Forget Your Roots/Also, Don't Go To Australia/There's an App for That/Never Have Kids
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Therapy There, welcome to the rewrap for Monday. All the
best that's from the My Costing breakfast on news Talks.
He'd be in a sillier package. I am Glenn Hart
and today citizenship you don't just get it. You can't
just have it for your kids if they weren't born here,
(00:44):
or can you? Ossie inflation from last week makes you
think twice about moving there, I would hope speaking of
moving places and traveling places, more changes to travel visas
here and a phone call in the middle of the
night at the Hosking Halls beat house. But before any
of that, So Noline Tarta was on the on the
(01:07):
show today. We were hoping she was going to clear
up all the netball shambles, but it doesn't sound like
she was allowed to. So she's got her job back,
as long as she doesn't say why she didn't have
it in the first place.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
That odd morning make Nolean might be speaking, but she's
still on a gag order. Will she explained that, I
think fairly clearly. So happy you've got dam Nolan coming on.
So the remaining questions for me, the things that came
out of it to this particular point is I think
she explained clearly, although not clearly, why she was dropped.
(01:45):
She knows, she can't say she's been advised not to say,
so I think we got that reasonably clearly stated. Then
she tells us there was no investigation. So if there
was no investigation, some of the reportage might then be wrong,
because the reportage I had heard is that after the
investigation nothing was found, hence her reinstatement. So if there
(02:07):
was no investigation, the old the most obvious question is
how come it took so long? Because you've got to remember,
this thing goes back to January to February. A couple
of players allegedly came forward and it was not until
June that they formerly escalated the player's concerns to Ginny Wiley,
who was of course the CEO of Netball New Zealand.
So it's gone from February to June before they escalate,
(02:29):
and then an independent review gets underway in July. So
the thing starts in February, it's not official until July
when it's up and rolling. So from July until last week,
which of course is October. What was going on, apart
from lawyers, and apart from a bit of back and
forward and a bit of negotiating, if there was no investigation.
(02:50):
It's the weirdest thing. So I don't know whether we
get to the bottom of this this morning or not.
I don't know how reluctant she is to be back.
But if we get it back on, we'll ask a
few questions around that and see what we can ascertain.
But what do you make of it? Are you happy?
I mean, as long as she's back and she's coaching,
are you happy? Is that resolved? He doesn't sound overly happy.
(03:11):
Cost her money? Lawyers? About paying for the lawyers? That's
the other question that wouldn't mind asking.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So the other weird thing about the Nolene Turtur interview
is that she was waiting to go on the tv
en Z breakfast show while we were interviewing her, and
then they just decided that they were going to have
her on in the middle of our interview, and so
she stopped the interview with us. So she wanted to
go and appear on a show that's got about a
(03:36):
fifth of the audience that we do and thought that
it was called to this. So she hasn't really told
us anything and she snubbed us for a less popular show.
I don't know if you like you that much anymore, Nolen, Sorry,
Dame Noleen. So we wrap right. So it was complicated
(04:01):
when you are a New Zealander and you have a kid,
but you don't have that kid in New Zealand. So
what does that make that kid?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Explain this to me other matters? Explain this to me.
Which clause of the treaty is the WAITINGI Tribunal using
when they suggest the government recognized second generation MARI for citizenship. Now,
if you haven't followed this one, you should be. Because
John Ruddick brought the case. There was a similar one
god Headlines recently because it involved Kesha Castle Hughes, the actress.
In her case, she was born in Australia to a
(04:28):
New Zealand mum. Her children were born in America, hence
they didn't get automatic citizenship. Ruddick, too was born in Australia,
got citizenship by descent, but as children were born offshore
as well and descent only operates to one generation, this
is not by the way new law. It is not
a surprise. It has been this way for decades. So
(04:49):
the tribunal here is the case, decides the law needs changing.
My question is on what basis is the tribunal not
here how well loosely to interpret the treaty? And where
in the treaty does it talk of generational dissent issues?
Under what clause does it talk of being born in Australia.
And of course it doesn't because it was written in
eighteen hundreds and it is at best vague, which leaves
(05:12):
it open to interpretation. So the question for the hero
and now the modern age is how much so called
law is going on here versus how much ideology? Law
is developed? Of course, if not by the Parliament, by
regular courts when they see a gap, they interpret. The
recent Foreshore drama is a very good example. The two
thousand and eleven law was explicit. The court simply didn't
like it, so they suggested change. The government had to
(05:33):
step in. But the whiting In tribunal, which remember has
no actual legal power, seems merely to make things up.
One generation isn't enough, so let's make it two. So
having made it, so what do I make it for
Why don't make it really easy. Anyone who remotely feels
Mari can claim citizenship for any number of offspring, no
matter where they were born, as long as it feels right.
(05:53):
Where does the treaty stop and the improv start? Thank goodness?
The government not going to do anything about this. But
that's this government. What about another government? What about the historic,
long term consequences of a tribunal that is running rough shot?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Sometimes I feel like Mike's arts nemsis as the white
Tangy tribunal, you know how like with Batman it's the Joker.
With Superman, it's Kryptonite. With Mike, it's the white hangy tribunal.
And until one of them puts the other one in
(06:28):
the ground, the statue is going to continue rewrap. So,
regardless of what kind of citizen you are, would you
move to Australia at the moment? I mean, how's their
economy going? Is it as rock star as it used
to be?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
A very good example economic lesson being played out in
Australia at the moment. Perhaps another reminder that it's not
really the land of milk and honey that so many
you think it may well be inflation came in way
higher last week than they thought it would. In fact,
it's worse than ours, so New Zealand one Australian nil.
One of the major components was government spending as a
chunk of the overall economy is high. That is inflationary,
(07:02):
especially when some of the money is handed out in
large Yes, now, the government helped pay power bills. Why
because people moaned. People will always moan, and power bills
in Australia are not what they are here. I can
tell you that for nothing. But if you decide it's unfair,
the moaning starts. They have a gas problem and the
sense they export a lot because the returns are good.
That leaves the domestic market short. They've got a lot
(07:23):
of coal, but we all know about coal. They don't
have as much hydro as US, so a lot of
people have stuck panels on their roofs. Of course, upshot
is the government buckled and told Australians they would help.
Trouble is they were helping with debt. Australia has a
debt pile that is dangerously close to a trillion dollars.
So last winter, money they didn't have was handed out
to stop the moaning. The other problem was not only
(07:44):
was it paid with the money they didn't have. It inevitably,
of course, came to an end, but not before the
inflation number arrived last week. Amazingly, Jim Charmers, the Treasurer,
said on Friday they didn't rule out looking at more
subsidies next winter, but he said, in his best left
wing I can't spend enough of other people's money kind
of way. It can't last forever. The subsidies were never
(08:05):
meant to be permanent, weren't they. That's had a political trick.
How do you hand the candy out? Then, having got
the masses hooked on it, say there is no more?
And are the masses grateful anyway? Of course they're not.
The lesson is to keep it simple. A power costs
too much, do something fundamental about it, produce more, build something,
or live with it pretending it's not real by a
band aiding. It always lends well, it always ends in
(08:28):
tears and in this case inflation.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Can I just remind you too, before you consider moving
to Australia that it is full of Australians. There are
heaps of Australians there, and you probably won't be able
to get through a day without having to deal with one.
I'm just throwing that out there. Still rewrap, still tweaking
the visa situation. I'm starting to be confused about which
things the government has announced and the things that they've
(08:53):
actually done. It's almost like they've figured out a way
to clock the system so they can they get the
goodwill from things twice they announce them, and then they
do them, and then it's a big announcement when they
do them as well. I feel like this is a
new phenomenon.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Pre announce what comes in today. Visa v travel for
Chinese visitors is available as of now. They've made the
announcement previously. So the idea was that you had to
use translators. The whole thing was a problem, and as
we look forward to the tourism sector bouncing back to
what it was pre COVID, it never really happened because
one of the biggest markets, of course, was the Chinese,
and it became problematic for the Chinese, our third largest
(09:28):
tourism market. Two are fifty thousand arrivals and the year
end in July of this year, so as of today,
no longer needed certified translations for visitor visa documents and
visa processing. So that's now faster, So the processing of
the visa they claims now down to four days. Only
downside I would criticize them on is the fact that
(09:49):
you've got to go through Australia. So we're piggybacking off
the back of Australia. So in other words, we're thinking,
well that the Australian's clear, than they've got to be
good for us to come through. So unless they're going
to Australia, they still can't come here. And I'm not
sure that's as smooth and loose as it it potentially
needs to be.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, I mean, as we all know, you can translate
in real time with your ear pods these days, or
you know, use your phone. There's lots of ways that
there actually is an app for that. I don't think
speaking another language would be a barrier to going anywhere,
should it. The rewrap we're going to finish up year
(10:28):
with things that wake you up in the middle of
the night. Now, when you work in breakfast radio, being
woken up in the middle of the night during the
weekend as really annoying.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
So quarter past one Saturday morning could have been twenty
past one. But let's say between one fifteen and twenty
on Saturday morning, phone runs. Daughter's locked out, So we said,
you're catching a red eye to Melbourne Saturday morning, So
getting up at four point thirty and flying across to
(10:58):
Melbourne concert Saturday night, catching a red eye back yesterday
because both her and her partner had work. And indeed,
your partner today has an exam, quite an important one university.
So just work that through for one moment. When they're saying, hey,
we're going to Melbourne, and we say something like because
we're old, we say something like, geez, that sounds like
quite a workout. And what about the exam? What about
(11:20):
the work? How are you going to be feeling, et cetera,
et cetera. I know we'll be fine, so that's fine.
They then toss on top of that, just before they
get up at four thirty on Saturday morning. They toss
on the toss and the Halloween party on Friday night,
so the Halloween party to come home at twenty past one,
just to get inside too. I don't know, Lord knows
what you do between one thirty and four thirty when
you get up again to go to the airport. But anyway,
(11:42):
at twenty past one, phone rings. He goes, and this
is I mean, who hasn't been there? For goodness sake,
the gym key is not the house key, and that
gets discovered when she goes to put the gym key
in the door, and the gym key doesn't work because
it's the gym key, not the house key, and she
doesn't want to go to the gym she wants to
go to the house. Fortunately, we're able to let her in,
so we did that. We weren't there, We're in the country,
so we could do that electronically, so that worked out
(12:03):
quite nicely.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Well that case, surely the jim key can be the house.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Key could be hard but at one twenty, I don't
know what key's what anyway, So then she rings it
back at four thirty, rings again. At four thirty she goes,
tells us she's on the way to the airport and
we're going. What She goes, Oh, did you not get up?
Did you go back to sleep? Did you go back
to sleep after I rung you at one thirty?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
What did she think you were doing? Playing beer pong?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Wouldn't have a clue wouldn't have a clue. So by
the time they got home yesterday and then had to
go to work until eleven o'clock last night, only to
get up this morning to be in the exam of
their life. We can only see those are the days,
Those are the days. It went from Katie and I
were going, oh, you know, youth, young kids have got
(12:47):
so much energy, haven't they too? Like this is just
a horrific mistake and when the results come through, it's
going to be a disaster. We can see it coming
a mile away.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
There you go, that horrific story, and then the other
thing about the citizenship for children, more reasons to never
never never, never ever ever never, never ever ever never
have kids. It's a it's an argument that makes itself.
I am a glen Hart and I've still got one
(13:16):
of them in my house.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Is it never going to win?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I was up. I had to get up a quarter
to five Sunday morning to take them to run the
AUPA Marathon. And come on, I didn't sign up for that.
You don't think about it, do you? When you think
I have a little baby. One day I'll be getting
up into the middle of the night to take it
to run a marathon. You don't think that, do you?
Well think it?
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Therapy There, welcome to the rewrap for Monday. All the
best that's from the My Costing breakfast on news Talks.
He'd be in a sillier package. I am Glenn Hart
and today citizenship you don't just get it. You can't
just have it for your kids if they weren't born here,
(00:44):
or can you? Ossie inflation from last week makes you
think twice about moving there, I would hope speaking of
moving places and traveling places, more changes to travel visas
here and a phone call in the middle of the
night at the Hosking Halls beat house. But before any
of that, So Noline Tarta was on the on the
(01:07):
show today. We were hoping she was going to clear
up all the netball shambles, but it doesn't sound like
she was allowed to. So she's got her job back,
as long as she doesn't say why she didn't have
it in the first place.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
That odd morning make Nolean might be speaking, but she's
still on a gag order. Will she explained that, I
think fairly clearly. So happy you've got dam Nolan coming on.
So the remaining questions for me, the things that came
out of it to this particular point is I think
she explained clearly, although not clearly, why she was dropped.
(01:45):
She knows, she can't say she's been advised not to say,
so I think we got that reasonably clearly stated. Then
she tells us there was no investigation. So if there
was no investigation, some of the reportage might then be wrong,
because the reportage I had heard is that after the
investigation nothing was found, hence her reinstatement. So if there
(02:07):
was no investigation, the old the most obvious question is
how come it took so long? Because you've got to remember,
this thing goes back to January to February. A couple
of players allegedly came forward and it was not until
June that they formerly escalated the player's concerns to Ginny Wiley,
who was of course the CEO of Netball New Zealand.
So it's gone from February to June before they escalate,
(02:29):
and then an independent review gets underway in July. So
the thing starts in February, it's not official until July
when it's up and rolling. So from July until last week,
which of course is October. What was going on, apart
from lawyers, and apart from a bit of back and
forward and a bit of negotiating, if there was no investigation.
(02:50):
It's the weirdest thing. So I don't know whether we
get to the bottom of this this morning or not.
I don't know how reluctant she is to be back.
But if we get it back on, we'll ask a
few questions around that and see what we can ascertain.
But what do you make of it? Are you happy?
I mean, as long as she's back and she's coaching,
are you happy? Is that resolved? He doesn't sound overly happy.
(03:11):
Cost her money? Lawyers? About paying for the lawyers? That's
the other question that wouldn't mind asking.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So the other weird thing about the Nolene Turtur interview
is that she was waiting to go on the tv
en Z breakfast show while we were interviewing her, and
then they just decided that they were going to have
her on in the middle of our interview, and so
she stopped the interview with us. So she wanted to
go and appear on a show that's got about a
(03:36):
fifth of the audience that we do and thought that
it was called to this. So she hasn't really told
us anything and she snubbed us for a less popular show.
I don't know if you like you that much anymore, Nolen, Sorry,
Dame Noleen. So we wrap right. So it was complicated
(04:01):
when you are a New Zealander and you have a kid,
but you don't have that kid in New Zealand. So
what does that make that kid?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Explain this to me other matters? Explain this to me.
Which clause of the treaty is the WAITINGI Tribunal using
when they suggest the government recognized second generation MARI for citizenship. Now,
if you haven't followed this one, you should be. Because
John Ruddick brought the case. There was a similar one
god Headlines recently because it involved Kesha Castle Hughes, the actress.
In her case, she was born in Australia to a
(04:28):
New Zealand mum. Her children were born in America, hence
they didn't get automatic citizenship. Ruddick, too was born in Australia,
got citizenship by descent, but as children were born offshore
as well and descent only operates to one generation, this
is not by the way new law. It is not
a surprise. It has been this way for decades. So
(04:49):
the tribunal here is the case, decides the law needs changing.
My question is on what basis is the tribunal not
here how well loosely to interpret the treaty? And where
in the treaty does it talk of generational dissent issues?
Under what clause does it talk of being born in Australia.
And of course it doesn't because it was written in
eighteen hundreds and it is at best vague, which leaves
(05:12):
it open to interpretation. So the question for the hero
and now the modern age is how much so called
law is going on here versus how much ideology? Law
is developed? Of course, if not by the Parliament, by
regular courts when they see a gap, they interpret. The
recent Foreshore drama is a very good example. The two
thousand and eleven law was explicit. The court simply didn't
like it, so they suggested change. The government had to
(05:33):
step in. But the whiting In tribunal, which remember has
no actual legal power, seems merely to make things up.
One generation isn't enough, so let's make it two. So
having made it, so what do I make it for
Why don't make it really easy. Anyone who remotely feels
Mari can claim citizenship for any number of offspring, no
matter where they were born, as long as it feels right.
(05:53):
Where does the treaty stop and the improv start? Thank goodness?
The government not going to do anything about this. But
that's this government. What about another government? What about the historic,
long term consequences of a tribunal that is running rough shot?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Sometimes I feel like Mike's arts nemsis as the white
Tangy tribunal, you know how like with Batman it's the Joker.
With Superman, it's Kryptonite. With Mike, it's the white hangy tribunal.
And until one of them puts the other one in
(06:28):
the ground, the statue is going to continue rewrap. So,
regardless of what kind of citizen you are, would you
move to Australia at the moment? I mean, how's their
economy going? Is it as rock star as it used
to be?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
A very good example economic lesson being played out in
Australia at the moment. Perhaps another reminder that it's not
really the land of milk and honey that so many
you think it may well be inflation came in way
higher last week than they thought it would. In fact,
it's worse than ours, so New Zealand one Australian nil.
One of the major components was government spending as a
chunk of the overall economy is high. That is inflationary,
(07:02):
especially when some of the money is handed out in
large Yes, now, the government helped pay power bills. Why
because people moaned. People will always moan, and power bills
in Australia are not what they are here. I can
tell you that for nothing. But if you decide it's unfair,
the moaning starts. They have a gas problem and the
sense they export a lot because the returns are good.
That leaves the domestic market short. They've got a lot
(07:23):
of coal, but we all know about coal. They don't
have as much hydro as US, so a lot of
people have stuck panels on their roofs. Of course, upshot
is the government buckled and told Australians they would help.
Trouble is they were helping with debt. Australia has a
debt pile that is dangerously close to a trillion dollars.
So last winter, money they didn't have was handed out
to stop the moaning. The other problem was not only
(07:44):
was it paid with the money they didn't have. It inevitably,
of course, came to an end, but not before the
inflation number arrived last week. Amazingly, Jim Charmers, the Treasurer,
said on Friday they didn't rule out looking at more
subsidies next winter, but he said, in his best left
wing I can't spend enough of other people's money kind
of way. It can't last forever. The subsidies were never
(08:05):
meant to be permanent, weren't they. That's had a political trick.
How do you hand the candy out? Then, having got
the masses hooked on it, say there is no more?
And are the masses grateful anyway? Of course they're not.
The lesson is to keep it simple. A power costs
too much, do something fundamental about it, produce more, build something,
or live with it pretending it's not real by a
band aiding. It always lends well, it always ends in
(08:28):
tears and in this case inflation.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Can I just remind you too, before you consider moving
to Australia that it is full of Australians. There are
heaps of Australians there, and you probably won't be able
to get through a day without having to deal with one.
I'm just throwing that out there. Still rewrap, still tweaking
the visa situation. I'm starting to be confused about which
things the government has announced and the things that they've
(08:53):
actually done. It's almost like they've figured out a way
to clock the system so they can they get the
goodwill from things twice they announce them, and then they
do them, and then it's a big announcement when they
do them as well. I feel like this is a
new phenomenon.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Pre announce what comes in today. Visa v travel for
Chinese visitors is available as of now. They've made the
announcement previously. So the idea was that you had to
use translators. The whole thing was a problem, and as
we look forward to the tourism sector bouncing back to
what it was pre COVID, it never really happened because
one of the biggest markets, of course, was the Chinese,
and it became problematic for the Chinese, our third largest
(09:28):
tourism market. Two are fifty thousand arrivals and the year
end in July of this year, so as of today,
no longer needed certified translations for visitor visa documents and
visa processing. So that's now faster, So the processing of
the visa they claims now down to four days. Only
downside I would criticize them on is the fact that
(09:49):
you've got to go through Australia. So we're piggybacking off
the back of Australia. So in other words, we're thinking,
well that the Australian's clear, than they've got to be
good for us to come through. So unless they're going
to Australia, they still can't come here. And I'm not
sure that's as smooth and loose as it it potentially
needs to be.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, I mean, as we all know, you can translate
in real time with your ear pods these days, or
you know, use your phone. There's lots of ways that
there actually is an app for that. I don't think
speaking another language would be a barrier to going anywhere,
should it. The rewrap we're going to finish up year
(10:28):
with things that wake you up in the middle of
the night. Now, when you work in breakfast radio, being
woken up in the middle of the night during the
weekend as really annoying.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
So quarter past one Saturday morning could have been twenty
past one. But let's say between one fifteen and twenty
on Saturday morning, phone runs. Daughter's locked out, So we said,
you're catching a red eye to Melbourne Saturday morning, So
getting up at four point thirty and flying across to
(10:58):
Melbourne concert Saturday night, catching a red eye back yesterday
because both her and her partner had work. And indeed,
your partner today has an exam, quite an important one university.
So just work that through for one moment. When they're saying, hey,
we're going to Melbourne, and we say something like because
we're old, we say something like, geez, that sounds like
quite a workout. And what about the exam? What about
(11:20):
the work? How are you going to be feeling, et cetera,
et cetera. I know we'll be fine, so that's fine.
They then toss on top of that, just before they
get up at four thirty on Saturday morning. They toss
on the toss and the Halloween party on Friday night,
so the Halloween party to come home at twenty past one,
just to get inside too. I don't know, Lord knows
what you do between one thirty and four thirty when
you get up again to go to the airport. But anyway,
(11:42):
at twenty past one, phone rings. He goes, and this
is I mean, who hasn't been there? For goodness sake,
the gym key is not the house key, and that
gets discovered when she goes to put the gym key
in the door, and the gym key doesn't work because
it's the gym key, not the house key, and she
doesn't want to go to the gym she wants to
go to the house. Fortunately, we're able to let her in,
so we did that. We weren't there, We're in the country,
so we could do that electronically, so that worked out
(12:03):
quite nicely.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Well that case, surely the jim key can be the house.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Key could be hard but at one twenty, I don't
know what key's what anyway, So then she rings it
back at four thirty, rings again. At four thirty she goes,
tells us she's on the way to the airport and
we're going. What She goes, Oh, did you not get up?
Did you go back to sleep? Did you go back
to sleep after I rung you at one thirty?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
What did she think you were doing? Playing beer pong?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Wouldn't have a clue wouldn't have a clue. So by
the time they got home yesterday and then had to
go to work until eleven o'clock last night, only to
get up this morning to be in the exam of
their life. We can only see those are the days,
Those are the days. It went from Katie and I
were going, oh, you know, youth, young kids have got
(12:47):
so much energy, haven't they too? Like this is just
a horrific mistake and when the results come through, it's
going to be a disaster. We can see it coming
a mile away.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
There you go, that horrific story, and then the other
thing about the citizenship for children, more reasons to never
never never, never ever ever never, never ever ever never
have kids. It's a it's an argument that makes itself.
I am a glen Hart and I've still got one
(13:16):
of them in my house.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Is it never going to win?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I was up. I had to get up a quarter
to five Sunday morning to take them to run the
AUPA Marathon. And come on, I didn't sign up for that.
You don't think about it, do you? When you think
I have a little baby. One day I'll be getting
up into the middle of the night to take it
to run a marathon. You don't think that, do you?
Well think it?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
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