WUWY INTERVIEW: Wendy Osefo Talks New Course At Wesleyan, RHOP Drama, Her 1954 Equity Project + More
November 18, 2024 • 26 mins
Wendy Osefo Talks New Course At Wesleyan, RHOP Drama, Her 1954 Equity Project + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up? His way up with Angela Yee and doctor
Wendy Josepho is here with me today. Welcome, thank you.
This is long overdue, very long, and this is perfect
time and no right on time, because you did not
tell me that you are a distinguished professor at Wesleyan University.
I graduated from I went to wesley Yes I did.
I was just there teaching the students yesterday. First of all,
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why did you not tell me this? You didn't know
that I want to have.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
A yes speaker in my class.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
They would love that, all right, so let's talk about that.
Let's start. Let's can relate with that, okay, because we
didn't watch on Real House as a Potomac when you
wrote the letter to resign from Johns Hopkins, right, which
was you said? But that is also a good feeling
to say I'm leaving this situation rather than you know,
the other way around. It's always true.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I felt, like, you know, there comes a time when
you feel like you've occupied the space for a long time,
and there was nothing left for me to accomplish in that, right,
you know what I mean? Like I sort of outgrew it.
It was becoming something that I knew it like the
back of my hand. That wasn't challenging anymore. And I
didn't want to just do the mundane and just do
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like the rigamarole. I want to be challenged, and I
also need to break real talk. I've been there, I feel,
you know, I've been a professor since I graduated my PhD.
And that was the first thing I did, and I've
just been in the same spot like I wanted something new.
My time was up for me.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm all into challenging myself because some people love having
a routine, knowing what they can expect, doing the same
thing and being comfortable. I am not good with that.
And so once you start feeling like, all right, this is,
like you said, mundane routine, it's time to say, okay,
maybe this is you know, if I can't do more
here or we can't figure out how we can challenge ourselves,
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because I've been in that position before too. And sometimes
we also have to realize that it ain't like you
own the university. And if they have a reason to
be like, okay, we're going to move on from you, yeah,
they'll do it. And so we shouldn't ever feel too
much loyalty as far as I need to be here
for X, Y and Z.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You know, someone told me, I said, we're having the
conversation about careers, and they said the house always wins,
and that stuck out to me because at the end
of the day, they're going to do what's best for them,
So it's up to you to do what's best for you.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And doctor Wendy, I always say that you gotta walk
away while you're.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Up Hello, way up, not just up up, way up.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
It's truly about this curriculum because I can imagine right
now at Wesleyan that the students are like, this is
the course that we want to take. It's a course
that you also developed.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yes, I wrote it. I took the summer off after
I resigned from my other university. I took the summer
off and I was like, all right, let me travel
a little bit. I traveled with my family, and then
while I was traveling, I was like, it's not that
I don't like teaching, it's just that I want to
do it my way. So I wrote a course and
it's titled the Sociology of Reality TV. And I was like,
who best to talk about reality TV? For my academic
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then me. So this course really examines the way reality
TV is a reflection about everyday lives and it tackles
some important subjects from racism to colorism, to gender roles
to sexuality. And I've had such an amazing time the
students have. I brought in some of my reality TV
friends to be like guest speakers like each day that
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I teach, and I just love it. It's liberating for
me because when you go into reality TV. I don't
know about you, but for me, I was like, you
know what I want to do reality TV. But a
lot of people have a negative connotation of it. They do,
and I said, how do I flip this on this
head to say, yes, you may have a negative connotation
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of this, but there's something that could be learned from this.
And that's why I did and I wrote this course.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That's how people feel like I call it a dacy series,
the reality shown matter no matter how you flip it.
You know, cause I did a reality show away earlier
on it was called the Gossip Game on v as
when and I think sometimes it's kind of like politics,
because I know you know a lot about that too,
but it's kind of entering a space where you can
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have the best intentions and say this is what I
want to do, and this is how I'm going to
portray myself and I'm going to make sure I do
And then so many things happen and you have to
navigate through that, and you're like, some things are just
out of your control. You can control, like they say,
how you react in situations, but sometimes you do get
the thrown off guard. Sometimes things get spliced up in
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a way they're like, that's not even how that happened,
or they want more of a reaction. And I think
one of the things of a reality TV is also
they want you to keep it spicy and interesting so
that you can stay on. So it's a balance of
knowing how to keep it spicy, interesting, but not not
be who you are.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And that's why I always told my students is we've
been talking about reality TV throughout this semester. I said,
for all of us, you are an exaggerated version of yourself.
You are yourself, but an exaggerated version of yourself. You
know what I mean. And that's just the truth of it.
You guys are watching reality TV to be entertained, So
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we are who we are, we're true to ourselves, but
there may be a little bit more and how we're
being true to ourselves.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I remember when you joined Real Housewives of Potomac, but
it's people are like, you know, you could look at
it from two lenses, right. Some people were like, oh,
why would she do that? Because that's, like you said,
there's that stigma that's attached to it. And it's like,
now she's gonna be on here, throw and drink because
automatically people think that she's gonna be beefing with people.
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But then there's also that Okay, well this is gonna
lend some more prestige, yes, because that's always the goal, right,
you want to try to make sure it's because it's
a balance of what the consumers will watch, because that's
another thing too, and I know you address that in
your course, the responsibility that people who are watching a
show have.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I think that there is responsibility on our viewers
and there's also responsibility for the people on the show.
For me, when I join the show, I remember thinking
I never saw someone who looked like me growing up,
and I never saw a black, dark skin family on
my TV. I am dark skinned, my husband dark skin.
My baby's a dark skin. That representation I did not
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see that. And then I never really saw the educated
family unit, and I just thought that was important to show.
But you come on there with your intentions and then
people out you know, you think you so smart that
you got all these degrees, and it's like, no, I
don't think that. I'm just telling you. You know, some
of these other women on these other franchises are flawing
their twenty homes. Let me, let me talk my stuff
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with what I got in a lot of time. And so,
you know, there's always that opposition of what you intend
and what's received from the consumers. But the end of
the day, you can only be true yourself. However, I
also think that it's important for people who are watching
the show to know that you were just watching the show,
nothing more, nothing less. I know some people will be like,
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why they going on the trip together? They don't even
like each other. Do you go to work? Do you
like your cowork You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Like it goes? It's work, Yeah, it's work.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
We are a group of friends. By the end of
the day, we cannot pretend that we don't get paid.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
We do right and we want to be on all
the episodes and we get more airtime so we know
we're not getting cut from the show. Because that is
part of it too.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
There you go that part.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So what did you learn about yourself in the first season,
because it's an adjustment period, right, anybody who joins a show,
it's an adjustment period learning how to nap. Like we said,
to navigate through this space of Okay, you know we're
gonna be sitting here tucking. They're gonna say one thing,
but then catch me off guard with this, and then
I know I'm gonna have to and they'll tell you
ahead of time, like okay, we're gonna have you in
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the scene, or you're gonna sit down and they're gonna
say X, Y and Z about your husband.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Right, I wish they told me. They didn't tell me.
You know, our show, we don't. We do not get
our heads up. It's literally bombs or dropped. You don't
know if it's coming from a person to your left
or the person to your right. That's one thing about it.
They can hold on to whatever they have to say,
and then they'll wait for the right time and it's
like boom, right, Like how you're gonna react to it,
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you know.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And so I mean, what did you have to learn quickly?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
What I had to learn quickly? I think for me
is don't take anything personal. Okay, you can't take any
of this personal. You just know it is what it is.
You may have a season like I'm having a season
this season where I'm just like laughing, you are having
a good time. I'm having a time this season. Okay,
I'm just laughing like you. I'm having so much fun.
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They're going at it. I'm just laughing at them. I'm
watching like, y'all watch, Oh, she ate her up. I'm
having a time for this season. I'm having a time.
But then there's other seasons where it's like non stop,
like you, they're coming for you, They're coming for you.
And I think to answer your first question about what
did I learn about myself my first season is that
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you have to remain true to you. You cannot change
like who you are is who you are and doesn't
matter what your fellow cast members are telling you, doesn't
matter what the viewers are telling you. You know who
you are. And if you don't know who you are,
you'll have a million people telling you who you should be,
and that's a problem. So say true to yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And then even in the space of you have a
real life outside of because some people have reality shows
and that's like they're they're full nine to five. There's
nothing else and nothing else, baby, that's it. You have
a lot of other things, I mean being a wife,
being a mom, being a professor, having your own show,
and then also in politics, being able to have those conversations,
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which sometimes I watch you on the news debating and
I'll be like, I get him out of here. And
it is a frustrating space to be in because I
relate to you a lot as far as when you
have these conversations and I'm on your side, but then
when people come from the other side and say something
that feels so ludicrous to me, and you have to
sit there and hold it together. But how do you
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think people perceive that for you, because sometimes I think
with reality TV, people might not take you as seriously
or be like, oh, she's just a reality TV show girl.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
No, I think that that's true, but I think that
you also have to know that in the real world.
For me, I'm a multi hyphener, I am a mom,
i am a professor. I am a reality TV personality,
but I'm also a political commentator. I think it's important
to know that women of color can occupy all of
these spaces and we don't have to be in one box.
That's a beautiful thing to do. So many times people
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tell you, no, no, no, you have to do this,
No no, no, you can only occupy the space, and
that's not true. And I think for me, everything I do,
I do it for my children. And I have, you know,
two boys and a girl, and I want them to
know that they're so cute, oh thank you. I want
them to know that you can't let anyone define you.
You can't let anyone define your success, and you can't
let anyone define your potential. If you want to, you know,
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curse out somebody at two PM and TV show and
then go to you know, CNN and curse somebody else out.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You can do that, right, But you have more on
the line than most people, I think, because it also
it also makes you have to think, because even for myself,
I have to think about okay, endorsements, okay, companies that
I work with, I can't go too far.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And but you know that is true. But I also
think who I am, I wouldn't go that far, you
know what I mean? Just who I am like I
was still, I would still hold back like I'm not.
That's why I think it's really important. You're gonna go
high still, I will still go high. It's gonna take
if it will take a lot for me to go low.
And I'm at the point of my life that I
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wouldn't go low. If someone did something to me, you
would have to come for my kids, right, that's don't
want that if y'all want see me clear the table?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Do you think do you think, okay, let's talk about
Potomac first? Okay? Do you think that people were coming
from me as kids? Because she you know, just from
watching these past few episodes and seeing how the topic
got brought up about. You know, your kids are watching,
and you're living here in this building, and your husband's here,
and you got your man here and the kids are
in the in the midst of all of this, and
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people were weighing in on that and for you as
a mom, but you're in a great relationship. But just
seeing her going through that, do you understand where she's
coming from or do you think, no, we were not
attacking that we were just saying, be mindful.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
At first blush when I first was when I first
heard it, I said to myself, I want to give
her the benefit of adult because my thought process is
every mother will do everything in their power to protect
their kids. However, as the season progressed and actions were taken,
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I have questions. Okay, I don't. I don't. I don't
stand by the things that she does. As you guys
will see it play out during this season, there are
some things that I'm like, if your first priority is this,
then you're not moving like that. So that's the honest
to god. I defended her when we were all at
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the Hattitude party because I was like, wait, hold up,
we're all mothers here, what's going on. I want to
give a benefit of adult, But baby, when you start
moving a certain type of way, I can't defend that.
I can't.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I want to say, back to that Hattitude party, since
you brought it up when you did that rap, people
don't understand the movie, Okay, I'm like, that's from and
it felt like people you just made us some rap, right,
And people were like, oh my gosh, she's trying.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
She's trying to do things, and I'm the best all
the other I want to feel. Hello, that is one
of my That's one of the only movies I can
probably quote like scene to scene. And so I was like,
don't you guys watch coming not this is a classic?
Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Mestand the people you're around, like y'all don't know who
don't know that from coming to America?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
They know they're not tapping.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But I just want to put that out there because
and by the me that people did not get the joke.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
At this point, I'm just used to people not understanding.
But I did walk away. I did walk away from it, like, ooh, y'
all so funny.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So now let's talk about your show too, because you
have your own talk show. Yeah, and so you just
interviewed Jess Hilarious. I did.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I did.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I had a lot of people talking, but that was
good and I think it was positive.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It was it was positive. I did it while she
was you know, we got the interview out maybe like
two weeks before she delivered, and so it was a
real tight turnaround. But I really wanted to talk to
her about motherhood because again, you know, without earlier conversation
about people telling you can't do certain things. I just
think it's important to have a conversation with a woman
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who is a working mother and who, in the for
some would say, the height of her career decided to,
you know, get pregnant and so what is that like,
you know, do you feel any challenges with that? And
at the time, she even told me that when she
took her her position, she didn't inform them that she
was pregnant, right, And I was like, and you don't
have to because a lot of times, as women we
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have to do certain things because motherhood has a way
of being displayed on.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Us, right, and it's something men don't have to deal with.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But men don't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Guy if he's getting he doesn't have.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
To say, oh, yeah, my wife is having a baby
too much, that's none of the business or my thing
that I absolutely hate is they always ask women can
women have it all? But you never say can men
have it all?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Why are these questions about juggling career and family only
posted to women and not to men? So, you know,
on the Doctor Wendy Show, when I interviewed Jess, I
just thought it was a very important conversation to have
because you often have that conversation women after they have children,
but this was someone who was in the midst of
about to have a child, and I want to see
how she was viewing her career from Netlands.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yes, now another thing that you've been discussing. And I've
seen your conversations politics. Yeah, man know, and you know
what's really ugh is looking at x and seeing Ela
must post like non stop.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
For he disabled.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, it'll be over.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I'm sorry, I was just playing.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But we are also on this platform right people are
buying these cyber tucks, they're buying the test list, they're
you know, doing the things that support a person. So
as much as it could feel like okay, this guy
is you know, and I do feel like the election
was for sure swayed by things that were posted on
that platform, because every time I went on there, I
was like, why is this what I don't follow on
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my timeline and it's all like and certain things get
buried and you won't see it.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And you know, we're only what just a week? I
think it's a week. It was. The election was a
week ago yesterday.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And we got the results.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
We got the results when we all woke up a
week ago today.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I was up already. Oh my gosh, I stayed up, and.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I mean, let me tell you something. This may be controversial,
but I honestly feel like if you needed any confirmation
that America does not like black women, the twenty twenty
four election is.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
That for you, right right?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And people say, oh, it's not about race, It's one
thousand percent about race. Trump did not have a plan.
He did not lay forth any policy. He didn't tell
y'all what he was going to do. There was no
next step, phase one, phase two, phase three. The only
plan that he did layout, which was Project twenty twenty five.
He told you guys everything the fariest and then said
he had nothing to do with it and then tried
distance himself from it.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So I didn't tell us what he was going to do,
though he told us he was a court and people
are with that. But some of the people who voted
for it are going to be affected by it the most.
And even for people who have you know, who is
going to do certain work, for people that have these
big corporations that hire you know, and they're going to
feel the effects of that as well.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But you know what, I'm at the point that let
them have it. Y'all voted for him. You deal with
the ramifications.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And the tariffs, and people are realizing there were people
who did not realize that that's going to get passed
on to the consumer. They thought the terrors would be
paid for by the foreign entities, just like people thought that,
you know, Mexico was going to pay for the wall
to get built.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Go get all everyone. I honestly feel like after the selection,
so many people are it's a numbers game. You saw
the ninety two percent of black women voted for Kamala Harris.
At this point, we have done our job. Yeah, you know,
we did it. We delivered, We did what we were
supposed to do. And guess what y'all wanted Trump, You
can have them enjoy the next four years. Don't complain,
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don't tweet, don't say nothing.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Right, you know. And I think there's just so much
misinformation because he can say anything and people will think
that it's true. But what I realized is the amount
of hate that comes if you say it. Like the
other day, I had posted something like reparations for white
people is crazy, you know, because he was talking about
DEI and restitution for people who were colleges that implemented
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that because people don't understand how important diversity is for
the people who deserve, not just that.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's so funny that he and a lot of his
Republican cronies have this issue with DEI and people who
are able to get opportunities through diversity initiatives. But he's
here naming people like Matt Gates to be the Attorney
General who has no qualification. So you're not talking about
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the issue of nepotism. That's not an issue for you
to Nepotism doesn't matter, but you want to talk about
people who are qualified and then they're getting through through
DEI initiatives. Like he's a walking contradiction, and it's just
laughable at this point. The highest cop, the top cop,
attorney General, is someone who was accused of having sexual
relations with the minor.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And by the Republicans investigation, and he's like, I'm not
cooperating with this investigation anymore, you know. And if you look,
and I was looking at like everybody that he said
that he wants to a point in these positions is nowhere, nowhere,
And so how is representative of the United States? And
so I just think it's really important for us because
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you know, part of it is they love that we're
all like feeling the way that we do. Because I
saw Elama say one week and here's what democrats or
as they call it, liberals are looking like this, and
they enjoy that. Like if you say something because I
just said something, I said, reparations for white people is crazy.
And there were people in my comments and you know
you can and they were like, Ah, you're forty and
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you're not married, you're forty percent. I'm first of all,
and it's just like crazy to me. If that's what
you want to.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Do anything, anything that has nothing to do with nothing,
you know, do y'all keep on playing with Trump. Trump
is Trump is going to show y'all. Yeah, And he
ran this election. He ran his presidential bid one thousand
percent like a reality star, and he ran it like
that was his platform. And let me tell you something
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that is definitely a lesson for you. And I'm going
to pitch that one because he ran his campaign a
thousand percent like a reality start.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And that's I watch the show of the White House.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
HM stamp it, professor.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I'm coming for that. I'll come to take notes in there.
I love this for Wesleyan University, though I love it
for them too, you know, honestly, like for me, I haven't.
And there's some amazing people who have graduated from there.
I mean I was there, Yeah, I did. I got
the Distinguished Alumni a word a couple of years. That's
really But it honestly is such a great liberal arts
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college just because I went there because there was no
core curriculum and I was an English major and I
really wanted to be able to do that creative you know.
I took screenwriting, I took playwriting, I took like all
the courses that I really wanted to take. And that's
something that if that would have been there when I
was there, so progressive and so today and so relatable
to real life.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I love the university. The campus is beautiful, the students
are having the time of their life, and it is
a liberal campus. I remember coming to campus the day
after the election and the students were just like so bombed,
and I was like, you know, keep your chin up.
You guys are the next generation. You guys are going
to make sure that the world is a better place.
But Wesleyan is amazing and I'm so honored that they
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not only you know, invited me to be a professor there,
but then gave me the title distinguished professor.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I know that's right, that's an honor.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
This little black girl, thank you.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
It's gonna make listen everybody going wrong, going wrong, and
you know, I do want to just talk about your
future on Potomac. So you know, you feel like that's
gonna keep on going, like you want to be there
because I know, you know, Candace left, she decided that
she you know, she had her baby. Congratulations to her,
you know for that you do your clubs. Yeah, I
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met her on there, and I love Candas, but you know,
she was like, okay, I need to some people do
need some times to step away. But I feel like
you've mastered the way to kind of go through there
at least on this season.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I was gonna say, we will take a season by season.
This season was my my favorite season. So yeah, for me,
I can't speak to nobody else that peoplecause some other
people getting dragged by the eyelids. I listen, but it
ain't even you know, yes we are, but just as
far as we are. But it's more so like about me,
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like there's something I didn't know you were forty.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
By the way, but I'm over there you are. Plus
Oh my god, you look so good.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
But the reason I was going to say that is
there's something about forty that I feel like, once you
hit it, you just like it just clicks and everything
just clicks and it makes sense and you feel liberated
and no one can tell you nothing, like you're so
sure of yourself. And I think that you guys are
able to see that the season of Potomac, it's not
just you know, my mended friendships with some of the women,
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it's literally my mended friendship with myself. Oh good, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Like like you look so comfortable in some happy.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So comfortable and so happy.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I love it all right, but we'll definitely be watching,
you know, everything that you have going on. I'm so
glad that you made it up here finally because I
know this is something that we've been wanting to do
and I definitely want to come and you know, do
your show too at some point.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yes, let's not talk about that.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Friends. And my girl, Jasmine, I.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Love Jasmine was at my fortieth birthday party. You should
came with her.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I wasn't invited, but I did sy the pictures, Okay,
we'll run it back. And the nineteen fifty four Equity Project, Yes,
I just want to talk about that for a second,
because education is so important and making sure that we
know our own history because things are being threatened so
much right now. So can we talk about that brief sure.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
So I started the nineteen fifty four Equity Project because
as an educator, I felt like a lot of times,
we want to have diversity on campus, but we don't
have inclusion. We want to fill these quotas and say,
we have these students of color on our campus, but
how do those students of color field do they feel
like they're at home? So the nineteen fifty four Equity
Project provides mentorships and supports for black students to make
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sure that they feel okay, any resources they need. It's
also for students who are the first one in their
families to go to college because sometimes you don't know
what to do because you don't have any advice. So
it's just like a resource for students to make sure
that not only they survive, we don't want them just
to survive, we want them to thrive, right And that's
what the nineteen fifty four Equity Project does.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
And speaking of thriving this cannabis line.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Hello, Happy Eddie. I am an investor in Happy Eddie Cannabis.
My husband started it, and I think it's so dope because,
you know, he came to it from the lens of
a black man in the cannabis field, and he's an attorney,
and he sees how so many black people have been
criminalized for cannabis offenses and now people are making a profit.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I say, people who were criticizing it, hello, opening up spots,
investing in spots, and it's like you were the main
You were the main people feel crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
So I don't understand. So he basically took the lens
of you know what, if people are going to benefit
off of this, we're not going to do it off
the backs of black people and people who are literally
in prison for it. So not only is it a
cannabis line that have all the things, they have flower edibles,
all the things, but he also does social justice work.
He partnered with the Last Prisoner Project, which is a
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program to get people out of the judicial the legal
system who have been penalized for cannabis offenses so recup
like this that Eddie all right, well, thank you so
much for joining us.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
It was definitely a pleasure to have you.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I gotta come back, okay, all right, it's way
What's up? His way up with Angela Yee and doctor
Wendy Josepho is here with me today. Welcome, thank you.
This is long overdue, very long, and this is perfect
time and no right on time, because you did not
tell me that you are a distinguished professor at Wesleyan University.
I graduated from I went to wesley Yes I did.
I was just there teaching the students yesterday. First of all,
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why did you not tell me this? You didn't know
that I want to have.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
A yes speaker in my class.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
They would love that, all right, so let's talk about that.
Let's start. Let's can relate with that, okay, because we
didn't watch on Real House as a Potomac when you
wrote the letter to resign from Johns Hopkins, right, which
was you said? But that is also a good feeling
to say I'm leaving this situation rather than you know,
the other way around. It's always true.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I felt, like, you know, there comes a time when
you feel like you've occupied the space for a long time,
and there was nothing left for me to accomplish in that, right,
you know what I mean? Like I sort of outgrew it.
It was becoming something that I knew it like the
back of my hand. That wasn't challenging anymore. And I
didn't want to just do the mundane and just do
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like the rigamarole. I want to be challenged, and I
also need to break real talk. I've been there, I feel,
you know, I've been a professor since I graduated my PhD.
And that was the first thing I did, and I've
just been in the same spot like I wanted something new.
My time was up for me.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm all into challenging myself because some people love having
a routine, knowing what they can expect, doing the same
thing and being comfortable. I am not good with that.
And so once you start feeling like, all right, this is,
like you said, mundane routine, it's time to say, okay,
maybe this is you know, if I can't do more
here or we can't figure out how we can challenge ourselves,
(01:49):
because I've been in that position before too. And sometimes
we also have to realize that it ain't like you
own the university. And if they have a reason to
be like, okay, we're going to move on from you, yeah,
they'll do it. And so we shouldn't ever feel too
much loyalty as far as I need to be here
for X, Y and Z.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You know, someone told me, I said, we're having the
conversation about careers, and they said the house always wins,
and that stuck out to me because at the end
of the day, they're going to do what's best for them,
So it's up to you to do what's best for you.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And doctor Wendy, I always say that you gotta walk
away while you're.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Up Hello, way up, not just up up, way up.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
It's truly about this curriculum because I can imagine right
now at Wesleyan that the students are like, this is
the course that we want to take. It's a course
that you also developed.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yes, I wrote it. I took the summer off after
I resigned from my other university. I took the summer
off and I was like, all right, let me travel
a little bit. I traveled with my family, and then
while I was traveling, I was like, it's not that
I don't like teaching, it's just that I want to
do it my way. So I wrote a course and
it's titled the Sociology of Reality TV. And I was like,
who best to talk about reality TV? For my academic
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then me. So this course really examines the way reality
TV is a reflection about everyday lives and it tackles
some important subjects from racism to colorism, to gender roles
to sexuality. And I've had such an amazing time the
students have. I brought in some of my reality TV
friends to be like guest speakers like each day that
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I teach, and I just love it. It's liberating for
me because when you go into reality TV. I don't
know about you, but for me, I was like, you
know what I want to do reality TV. But a
lot of people have a negative connotation of it. They do,
and I said, how do I flip this on this
head to say, yes, you may have a negative connotation
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of this, but there's something that could be learned from this.
And that's why I did and I wrote this course.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That's how people feel like I call it a dacy series,
the reality shown matter no matter how you flip it.
You know, cause I did a reality show away earlier
on it was called the Gossip Game on v as
when and I think sometimes it's kind of like politics,
because I know you know a lot about that too,
but it's kind of entering a space where you can
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have the best intentions and say this is what I
want to do, and this is how I'm going to
portray myself and I'm going to make sure I do
And then so many things happen and you have to
navigate through that, and you're like, some things are just
out of your control. You can control, like they say,
how you react in situations, but sometimes you do get
the thrown off guard. Sometimes things get spliced up in
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a way they're like, that's not even how that happened,
or they want more of a reaction. And I think
one of the things of a reality TV is also
they want you to keep it spicy and interesting so
that you can stay on. So it's a balance of
knowing how to keep it spicy, interesting, but not not
be who you are.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And that's why I always told my students is we've
been talking about reality TV throughout this semester. I said,
for all of us, you are an exaggerated version of yourself.
You are yourself, but an exaggerated version of yourself. You
know what I mean. And that's just the truth of it.
You guys are watching reality TV to be entertained, So
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we are who we are, we're true to ourselves, but
there may be a little bit more and how we're
being true to ourselves.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I remember when you joined Real Housewives of Potomac, but
it's people are like, you know, you could look at
it from two lenses, right. Some people were like, oh,
why would she do that? Because that's, like you said,
there's that stigma that's attached to it. And it's like,
now she's gonna be on here, throw and drink because
automatically people think that she's gonna be beefing with people.
(05:34):
But then there's also that Okay, well this is gonna
lend some more prestige, yes, because that's always the goal, right,
you want to try to make sure it's because it's
a balance of what the consumers will watch, because that's
another thing too, and I know you address that in
your course, the responsibility that people who are watching a
show have.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I think that there is responsibility on our viewers
and there's also responsibility for the people on the show.
For me, when I join the show, I remember thinking
I never saw someone who looked like me growing up,
and I never saw a black, dark skin family on
my TV. I am dark skinned, my husband dark skin.
My baby's a dark skin. That representation I did not
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see that. And then I never really saw the educated
family unit, and I just thought that was important to show.
But you come on there with your intentions and then
people out you know, you think you so smart that
you got all these degrees, and it's like, no, I
don't think that. I'm just telling you. You know, some
of these other women on these other franchises are flawing
their twenty homes. Let me, let me talk my stuff
(06:35):
with what I got in a lot of time. And so,
you know, there's always that opposition of what you intend
and what's received from the consumers. But the end of
the day, you can only be true yourself. However, I
also think that it's important for people who are watching
the show to know that you were just watching the show,
nothing more, nothing less. I know some people will be like,
(06:59):
why they going on the trip together? They don't even
like each other. Do you go to work? Do you
like your cowork You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Like it goes? It's work, Yeah, it's work.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
We are a group of friends. By the end of
the day, we cannot pretend that we don't get paid.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
We do right and we want to be on all
the episodes and we get more airtime so we know
we're not getting cut from the show. Because that is
part of it too.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
There you go that part.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So what did you learn about yourself in the first season,
because it's an adjustment period, right, anybody who joins a show,
it's an adjustment period learning how to nap. Like we said,
to navigate through this space of Okay, you know we're
gonna be sitting here tucking. They're gonna say one thing,
but then catch me off guard with this, and then
I know I'm gonna have to and they'll tell you
ahead of time, like okay, we're gonna have you in
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the scene, or you're gonna sit down and they're gonna
say X, Y and Z about your husband.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Right, I wish they told me. They didn't tell me.
You know, our show, we don't. We do not get
our heads up. It's literally bombs or dropped. You don't
know if it's coming from a person to your left
or the person to your right. That's one thing about it.
They can hold on to whatever they have to say,
and then they'll wait for the right time and it's
like boom, right, Like how you're gonna react to it,
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you know.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And so I mean, what did you have to learn quickly?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
What I had to learn quickly? I think for me
is don't take anything personal. Okay, you can't take any
of this personal. You just know it is what it is.
You may have a season like I'm having a season
this season where I'm just like laughing, you are having
a good time. I'm having a time this season. Okay,
I'm just laughing like you. I'm having so much fun.
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They're going at it. I'm just laughing at them. I'm
watching like, y'all watch, Oh, she ate her up. I'm
having a time for this season. I'm having a time.
But then there's other seasons where it's like non stop,
like you, they're coming for you, They're coming for you.
And I think to answer your first question about what
did I learn about myself my first season is that
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you have to remain true to you. You cannot change
like who you are is who you are and doesn't
matter what your fellow cast members are telling you, doesn't
matter what the viewers are telling you. You know who
you are. And if you don't know who you are,
you'll have a million people telling you who you should be,
and that's a problem. So say true to yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And then even in the space of you have a
real life outside of because some people have reality shows
and that's like they're they're full nine to five. There's
nothing else and nothing else, baby, that's it. You have
a lot of other things, I mean being a wife,
being a mom, being a professor, having your own show,
and then also in politics, being able to have those conversations,
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which sometimes I watch you on the news debating and
I'll be like, I get him out of here. And
it is a frustrating space to be in because I
relate to you a lot as far as when you
have these conversations and I'm on your side, but then
when people come from the other side and say something
that feels so ludicrous to me, and you have to
sit there and hold it together. But how do you
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think people perceive that for you, because sometimes I think
with reality TV, people might not take you as seriously
or be like, oh, she's just a reality TV show girl.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
No, I think that that's true, but I think that
you also have to know that in the real world.
For me, I'm a multi hyphener, I am a mom,
i am a professor. I am a reality TV personality,
but I'm also a political commentator. I think it's important
to know that women of color can occupy all of
these spaces and we don't have to be in one box.
That's a beautiful thing to do. So many times people
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tell you, no, no, no, you have to do this,
No no, no, you can only occupy the space, and
that's not true. And I think for me, everything I do,
I do it for my children. And I have, you know,
two boys and a girl, and I want them to
know that they're so cute, oh thank you. I want
them to know that you can't let anyone define you.
You can't let anyone define your success, and you can't
let anyone define your potential. If you want to, you know,
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curse out somebody at two PM and TV show and
then go to you know, CNN and curse somebody else out.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You can do that, right, But you have more on
the line than most people, I think, because it also
it also makes you have to think, because even for myself,
I have to think about okay, endorsements, okay, companies that
I work with, I can't go too far.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And but you know that is true. But I also
think who I am, I wouldn't go that far, you
know what I mean? Just who I am like I
was still, I would still hold back like I'm not.
That's why I think it's really important. You're gonna go
high still, I will still go high. It's gonna take
if it will take a lot for me to go low.
And I'm at the point of my life that I
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wouldn't go low. If someone did something to me, you
would have to come for my kids, right, that's don't
want that if y'all want see me clear the table?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Do you think do you think, okay, let's talk about
Potomac first? Okay? Do you think that people were coming
from me as kids? Because she you know, just from
watching these past few episodes and seeing how the topic
got brought up about. You know, your kids are watching,
and you're living here in this building, and your husband's here,
and you got your man here and the kids are
in the in the midst of all of this, and
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people were weighing in on that and for you as
a mom, but you're in a great relationship. But just
seeing her going through that, do you understand where she's
coming from or do you think, no, we were not
attacking that we were just saying, be mindful.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
At first blush when I first was when I first
heard it, I said to myself, I want to give
her the benefit of adult because my thought process is
every mother will do everything in their power to protect
their kids. However, as the season progressed and actions were taken,
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I have questions. Okay, I don't. I don't. I don't
stand by the things that she does. As you guys
will see it play out during this season, there are
some things that I'm like, if your first priority is this,
then you're not moving like that. So that's the honest
to god. I defended her when we were all at
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the Hattitude party because I was like, wait, hold up,
we're all mothers here, what's going on. I want to
give a benefit of adult, But baby, when you start
moving a certain type of way, I can't defend that.
I can't.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I want to say, back to that Hattitude party, since
you brought it up when you did that rap, people
don't understand the movie, Okay, I'm like, that's from and
it felt like people you just made us some rap, right,
And people were like, oh my gosh, she's trying.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
She's trying to do things, and I'm the best all
the other I want to feel. Hello, that is one
of my That's one of the only movies I can
probably quote like scene to scene. And so I was like,
don't you guys watch coming not this is a classic?
Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Mestand the people you're around, like y'all don't know who
don't know that from coming to America?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
They know they're not tapping.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But I just want to put that out there because
and by the me that people did not get the joke.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
At this point, I'm just used to people not understanding.
But I did walk away. I did walk away from it, like, ooh, y'
all so funny.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So now let's talk about your show too, because you
have your own talk show. Yeah, and so you just
interviewed Jess Hilarious. I did.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I did.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I had a lot of people talking, but that was
good and I think it was positive.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
It was it was positive. I did it while she
was you know, we got the interview out maybe like
two weeks before she delivered, and so it was a
real tight turnaround. But I really wanted to talk to
her about motherhood because again, you know, without earlier conversation
about people telling you can't do certain things. I just
think it's important to have a conversation with a woman
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who is a working mother and who, in the for
some would say, the height of her career decided to,
you know, get pregnant and so what is that like,
you know, do you feel any challenges with that? And
at the time, she even told me that when she
took her her position, she didn't inform them that she
was pregnant, right, And I was like, and you don't
have to because a lot of times, as women we
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have to do certain things because motherhood has a way
of being displayed on.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Us, right, and it's something men don't have to deal with.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But men don't have to do that.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Guy if he's getting he doesn't have.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
To say, oh, yeah, my wife is having a baby
too much, that's none of the business or my thing
that I absolutely hate is they always ask women can
women have it all? But you never say can men
have it all?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Why are these questions about juggling career and family only
posted to women and not to men? So, you know,
on the Doctor Wendy Show, when I interviewed Jess, I
just thought it was a very important conversation to have
because you often have that conversation women after they have children,
but this was someone who was in the midst of
about to have a child, and I want to see
how she was viewing her career from Netlands.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yes, now another thing that you've been discussing. And I've
seen your conversations politics. Yeah, man know, and you know
what's really ugh is looking at x and seeing Ela
must post like non stop.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
For he disabled.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, it'll be over.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I'm sorry, I was just playing.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But we are also on this platform right people are
buying these cyber tucks, they're buying the test list, they're
you know, doing the things that support a person. So
as much as it could feel like okay, this guy
is you know, and I do feel like the election
was for sure swayed by things that were posted on
that platform, because every time I went on there, I
was like, why is this what I don't follow on
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my timeline and it's all like and certain things get
buried and you won't see it.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And you know, we're only what just a week? I
think it's a week. It was. The election was a
week ago yesterday.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And we got the results.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
We got the results when we all woke up a
week ago today.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I was up already. Oh my gosh, I stayed up, and.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I mean, let me tell you something. This may be controversial,
but I honestly feel like if you needed any confirmation
that America does not like black women, the twenty twenty
four election is.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
That for you, right right?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And people say, oh, it's not about race, It's one
thousand percent about race. Trump did not have a plan.
He did not lay forth any policy. He didn't tell
y'all what he was going to do. There was no
next step, phase one, phase two, phase three. The only
plan that he did layout, which was Project twenty twenty five.
He told you guys everything the fariest and then said
he had nothing to do with it and then tried
distance himself from it.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So I didn't tell us what he was going to do,
though he told us he was a court and people
are with that. But some of the people who voted
for it are going to be affected by it the most.
And even for people who have you know, who is
going to do certain work, for people that have these
big corporations that hire you know, and they're going to
feel the effects of that as well.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But you know what, I'm at the point that let
them have it. Y'all voted for him. You deal with
the ramifications.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And the tariffs, and people are realizing there were people
who did not realize that that's going to get passed
on to the consumer. They thought the terrors would be
paid for by the foreign entities, just like people thought that,
you know, Mexico was going to pay for the wall
to get built.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Go get all everyone. I honestly feel like after the selection,
so many people are it's a numbers game. You saw
the ninety two percent of black women voted for Kamala Harris.
At this point, we have done our job. Yeah, you know,
we did it. We delivered, We did what we were
supposed to do. And guess what y'all wanted Trump, You
can have them enjoy the next four years. Don't complain,
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don't tweet, don't say nothing.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Right, you know. And I think there's just so much
misinformation because he can say anything and people will think
that it's true. But what I realized is the amount
of hate that comes if you say it. Like the
other day, I had posted something like reparations for white
people is crazy, you know, because he was talking about
DEI and restitution for people who were colleges that implemented
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that because people don't understand how important diversity is for
the people who deserve, not just that.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's so funny that he and a lot of his
Republican cronies have this issue with DEI and people who
are able to get opportunities through diversity initiatives. But he's
here naming people like Matt Gates to be the Attorney
General who has no qualification. So you're not talking about
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the issue of nepotism. That's not an issue for you
to Nepotism doesn't matter, but you want to talk about
people who are qualified and then they're getting through through
DEI initiatives. Like he's a walking contradiction, and it's just
laughable at this point. The highest cop, the top cop,
attorney General, is someone who was accused of having sexual
relations with the minor.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And by the Republicans investigation, and he's like, I'm not
cooperating with this investigation anymore, you know. And if you look,
and I was looking at like everybody that he said
that he wants to a point in these positions is nowhere, nowhere,
And so how is representative of the United States? And
so I just think it's really important for us because
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you know, part of it is they love that we're
all like feeling the way that we do. Because I
saw Elama say one week and here's what democrats or
as they call it, liberals are looking like this, and
they enjoy that. Like if you say something because I
just said something, I said, reparations for white people is crazy.
And there were people in my comments and you know
you can and they were like, Ah, you're forty and
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you're not married, you're forty percent. I'm first of all,
and it's just like crazy to me. If that's what
you want to.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Do anything, anything that has nothing to do with nothing,
you know, do y'all keep on playing with Trump. Trump
is Trump is going to show y'all. Yeah, And he
ran this election. He ran his presidential bid one thousand
percent like a reality star, and he ran it like
that was his platform. And let me tell you something
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that is definitely a lesson for you. And I'm going
to pitch that one because he ran his campaign a
thousand percent like a reality start.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And that's I watch the show of the White House.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
HM stamp it, professor.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I'm coming for that. I'll come to take notes in there.
I love this for Wesleyan University, though I love it
for them too, you know, honestly, like for me, I haven't.
And there's some amazing people who have graduated from there.
I mean I was there, Yeah, I did. I got
the Distinguished Alumni a word a couple of years. That's
really But it honestly is such a great liberal arts
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college just because I went there because there was no
core curriculum and I was an English major and I
really wanted to be able to do that creative you know.
I took screenwriting, I took playwriting, I took like all
the courses that I really wanted to take. And that's
something that if that would have been there when I
was there, so progressive and so today and so relatable
to real life.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I love the university. The campus is beautiful, the students
are having the time of their life, and it is
a liberal campus. I remember coming to campus the day
after the election and the students were just like so bombed,
and I was like, you know, keep your chin up.
You guys are the next generation. You guys are going
to make sure that the world is a better place.
But Wesleyan is amazing and I'm so honored that they
(22:19):
not only you know, invited me to be a professor there,
but then gave me the title distinguished professor.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I know that's right, that's an honor.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
This little black girl, thank you.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
It's gonna make listen everybody going wrong, going wrong, and
you know, I do want to just talk about your
future on Potomac. So you know, you feel like that's
gonna keep on going, like you want to be there
because I know, you know, Candace left, she decided that
she you know, she had her baby. Congratulations to her,
you know for that you do your clubs. Yeah, I
(22:51):
met her on there, and I love Candas, but you know,
she was like, okay, I need to some people do
need some times to step away. But I feel like
you've mastered the way to kind of go through there
at least on this season.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I was gonna say, we will take a season by season.
This season was my my favorite season. So yeah, for me,
I can't speak to nobody else that peoplecause some other
people getting dragged by the eyelids. I listen, but it
ain't even you know, yes we are, but just as
far as we are. But it's more so like about me,
(23:26):
like there's something I didn't know you were forty.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
By the way, but I'm over there you are. Plus
Oh my god, you look so good.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
But the reason I was going to say that is
there's something about forty that I feel like, once you
hit it, you just like it just clicks and everything
just clicks and it makes sense and you feel liberated
and no one can tell you nothing, like you're so
sure of yourself. And I think that you guys are
able to see that the season of Potomac, it's not
just you know, my mended friendships with some of the women,
(23:53):
it's literally my mended friendship with myself. Oh good, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Like like you look so comfortable in some happy.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So comfortable and so happy.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I love it all right, but we'll definitely be watching,
you know, everything that you have going on. I'm so
glad that you made it up here finally because I
know this is something that we've been wanting to do
and I definitely want to come and you know, do
your show too at some point.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yes, let's not talk about that.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Friends. And my girl, Jasmine, I.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Love Jasmine was at my fortieth birthday party. You should
came with her.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I wasn't invited, but I did sy the pictures, Okay,
we'll run it back. And the nineteen fifty four Equity Project, Yes,
I just want to talk about that for a second,
because education is so important and making sure that we
know our own history because things are being threatened so
much right now. So can we talk about that brief sure.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
So I started the nineteen fifty four Equity Project because
as an educator, I felt like a lot of times,
we want to have diversity on campus, but we don't
have inclusion. We want to fill these quotas and say,
we have these students of color on our campus, but
how do those students of color field do they feel
like they're at home? So the nineteen fifty four Equity
Project provides mentorships and supports for black students to make
(25:07):
sure that they feel okay, any resources they need. It's
also for students who are the first one in their
families to go to college because sometimes you don't know
what to do because you don't have any advice. So
it's just like a resource for students to make sure
that not only they survive, we don't want them just
to survive, we want them to thrive, right And that's
what the nineteen fifty four Equity Project does.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
And speaking of thriving this cannabis line.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Hello, Happy Eddie. I am an investor in Happy Eddie Cannabis.
My husband started it, and I think it's so dope because,
you know, he came to it from the lens of
a black man in the cannabis field, and he's an attorney,
and he sees how so many black people have been
criminalized for cannabis offenses and now people are making a profit.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I say, people who were criticizing it, hello, opening up spots,
investing in spots, and it's like you were the main
You were the main people feel crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
So I don't understand. So he basically took the lens
of you know what, if people are going to benefit
off of this, we're not going to do it off
the backs of black people and people who are literally
in prison for it. So not only is it a
cannabis line that have all the things, they have flower edibles,
all the things, but he also does social justice work.
He partnered with the Last Prisoner Project, which is a
(26:22):
program to get people out of the judicial the legal
system who have been penalized for cannabis offenses so recup
like this that Eddie all right, well, thank you so
much for joining us.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
It was definitely a pleasure to have you.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I gotta come back, okay, all right, it's way
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