July 1, 2024 • 39 mins
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that former President Donald Trump has some immunity as president in his federal election interference case but not total immunity from unofficial acts. The country’s highest court kicked back the case to the lower courts to determine how to apply the ruling. Gary was joined by a variety of political commentators and legal experts including Fox News’ Joe Concha and Presley Baker!
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It's Night Side with Dray on Boston'snew Radio. This nation was founded on
the principle that there are no kingsin America. Each each of us is
equal before the law. No one, no one is above the law,
not even the President of the UnitedStates. With today's Supreme Court decision on
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presidential immunity, that fundamentally changed forall, for all practical purposes. Today's
decision almost certainly means that there arevirtually no limits what the president can do.
This is a fundamentally new principle,and it's a dangerous president because the
power of the office will no longerbe constrained by the law, even including
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the Supreme Court in the United States. The only limits will be self imposed
by the president alone. This decisiontoday has continued the Court's attack in recent
years on a wide range of longestablish legal principles in our nation, from
gutting voting rights and civil rights,to taking away a woman's right to choose,
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to today's decision that undermines the ruleof law of this nation. That
is President Biden, speaking earlier thisevening in a press conference you heard here
on WBZ This is Radio ten thirty. Joining us now is Joe Contra from
Fox News. So, by theway, I do want to say that
this works both ways. You know, if a Democrat wins the presidency or
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if a Republican wins the presidency.It's just everybody is fearful of Trump winning
because he could be king. Joe, thanks for joining us. What do
you think of that fear? Okayfrom Fox News, Joe Contra joints So
sorry about that, Joe, littletechnical difficulty. I don't know what you
heard or didn't here, but weplayed a segment of President Biden's speech earlier
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this evening, and the thing thatI reminded people is that, you know,
if they're worried about the president beingking, it can work both ways.
If a Democrat wins in a Republicanit's not just the Republican. But
do you think that is an overstatementby the president that if Trump wins,
he will be king? Well,it's a rhetorical question almost at this point,
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because look, Joe Biden comes outtonight or this afternoon and says what
he said in a teleprompter, didn'ttake any questions afterwards, marched off afterwards.
The one thing Biden had to dotoday was take questions afterwards, speak
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extemporaneously show the country that he coulddo this without actually speaking through a teleprompter,
and he did not do that.So more important thing, I appreciate
it because you're tight on time,and you know, I want your expertise.
Look, as far as I'm concerned, I'm not big on either guy.
Look, Biden's too old for thegig. That's the way I feel.
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You don't have to sell me onthat. Maybe you have to sell
some listeners. But I'm a registeredDemocrat and I feel he's too old for
the gig, So don't worry aboutthat. But what I want your expertise
on is the court ruling six tothree that the president has some immunity.
So what is a what is anofficial act and what is an unofficial act.
Let's get to January sixth, becauseI'm not a fan of either party.
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So if January sixth happens, doesthat mean the president has immunity from
that? Well, let's let's putanother example forward. Let's say President Barack
Obama, you know, may havedropped some drones strikes that killed American citizens
in Africa, for example, whichhappened, So can you prosecute every president
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for their acts in office as aresult where you can say, hey,
all right, well you know hekilled somebody, or he may have done
something that was illegal. I don'tknow. I don't know where. I'm
not a legal guy. But grayline, you know, blue line,
where is that exactly? I don'tknow where that stands here? And the
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Supreme Court is six' three.That's that's the ruling. So that's what
it is. Okay, But it'sjust it's just Trump's court. I mean,
Trump's not even in office. Butguys that he appointed, people that
he appointed or justices I should saythat he appointed. Uh this obviously favors
him or his line of thinking.So but I mean, there's got to
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be here's my problem, Joe.And look, I'm a reasonable person.
I'm just trying to get some commonsense out of this. Like your point
is well taken about what happened withwith with Obama. But we're talking about
attack, an attack on the Capitol, and as far as I'm concerned,
this is still a big gray areawith Trump. I mean, did he
do as much as he could tocall him off? Probably not. But
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did he incite it? Did hecause it? Did he create it?
Did he organize it? I don'tthink so. So that gray area,
to me has always driven me crazy, Like I don't know, you know,
well, what happened January sixth.I think it was going to happen,
whether Trump said anything or not.Of course, and he said marks
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peacefully to the Capitol in his speech, So I don't know if you said,
like, go there and you know, kick some butt, it's a
gray area. I think it wasa protest that got completely out of control,
like many things in twenty twenty,quite frankly, but I just don't
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I don't think he incided it.I just don't think that that was something
that happened there. I don't either, and I didn't vote for him.
I mean, you know, I'mtrying to be objective here, you know,
so I guess what I want fromfrom your expertise, though for your
background here is are we in trouble? Is this dangerous territory? Whether it's
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a Republican or a Democrat in officewith what the court has done. Boy,
well, a president can be prosecutedover a decision that may have killed
people, may have resulted in whatwe saw in January sixth, then I'm
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not sure that it's the wrong decisionin this case, six three Supreme Court
saying that the president has some immunityhere as far as the decision, that's
let's put it this way. GeorgeW. Bush with weapons of mass destruction
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then goes to war with Iraq anda lot of people die there. Should
he be prosecuted over that? Ijust don't think so. No, I
don't think he should. No,I don't think he should. But if
the president tries to overthrow the UnitedStates government, and I'm not saying Trump
did, I'm not saying I'm notgoing that far. Some people right from
my party will I'm not saying that. Okay, I think it was going
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to happen whether look, Trump's gothis people. That's it the bottom line,
And that's a whole other discussion.But like with with if Trump hadn't
been around, I don't think anybodywould attack the government, attack the capital.
But I also don't think he wasthere leading the charge. So like,
there's gotta be some common sense here. Yes, Okay, it's not
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a if you go out and ifyou try to defend the country, or
you have an act of aggression ofanother country that you decided to make as
commander in chief. That's not acrime, But if you attack your own
capital, it is. Why isthat so hard? It's a good question.
But again, I think you answeredyour own question by saying that Trump
didn't lead that charge, right.Yeah, I don't think he did.
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I never thought he did. Look, I'm not a fan of Trump,
believe me. I think I thinkI I think I think our choices for
president suck. I mean, ifthere was there are any number, I
mean, if Mom Bromney was running, I'd vote for him, you know,
and I'm a registered Democrat. Asa matter of fact, I did
the first time around. I votedfor Mitt. I knew him when he
was in Boston. I wasn't sureObama was ready for the gig. I
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said, I think MIT's kind ofa reasonable guy. The pro choice thing,
I don't think he really cares.I think he has to do that
because his party wants him to doit. But I voted from it.
Romney because he did great things inMassachusetts. The healthcare system works in Massachusetts.
He did it, you know.So I voted for him. But
like Trump, I can't, youknow. So that's the question, No,
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Joe, what do you do wellhere's Joe. Yeah, I know,
and flip a coin. I'm votingfor the Rock. That's what I
said. Dwayne Johnson's my right in. I'm voting for the Rock. Look,
Joe, we got to go,and I appreciate your time. It's
everybody's got a tight schedule. Butbut I guess when I you know,
the Democrats are gonna have to replacehim. I just think they're gonna have
to the only thing, the onlything is that's a good question. You
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know, the guy from California mightwork. I don't know, but I
think, but I think why hewon't work? Why you show me Gavin
Newsom in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Yeah, trying to neck with blue
dog you know, blue collar workingclass voters, the ultimate snob. I
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don't see that. Yeah, no, no, you're right. I mean
they're kind of up against it.They listen to Joe and the misses too
much. Joe, We've got tohave you on when we have more time.
I appreciate you coming on. Allright, we can go longer.
You want to go for two moreminutes? Are you good? Yeah?
Okay, we'll go for two moreminutes. Okay, I'll take you on
that, Yes, all right.So in regard to okay, well,
let's go with the Democrats. See, I think that this could work against
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Trump because I think there are peoplethat would vote for Trump because they see
this or and you know, theAmerica people don't they read headlines. A
lot of people don't read the details. They just look on the surface.
So some people that were going tovote, some people that were going to
vote for Trump are thinking, ohmy god, I can't vote for him
now because he could be king.This could backfire for Trump, could it
not? What do you mean hecould be king? I mean, that's
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that's what That's what Biden is saying. Biden's saying that if Trump is president,
he would be king. That's theway he would act. He would
become acting like a king. Ofcourse not, but that's like I said
at the beginning, Are you sureabout that? With the whole you know,
student loan thing, Oh right,Supreme Court ruled this way. Congress
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said, I'm gonna you serve allof that, and I'm just gonna do
what I'm doing with student loans.Like I said at the top, it
can work both ways. But whatI'm saying for this particular instance, is
that the fear factor of Trump overthrowingI'm using quotes overthrowing Congress or becoming a
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you're becoming a dictator, of becominga king. And I'm going over the
Trump was Trump was president already?What did he act like a dictator from
twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one?No, he didn't. Did you see
that? No? Why would heact like that now? Joe, I'm
trying. We're relected. Let memake a point is do you think it
will hurt him in the re election? That people will be afraid that he
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will But if the president is thathe didn't do that the first time around,
then why would that be a fearThe perception could be there is what
I'm saying and the followers perception,perception pushed by the media and pushed by
Democrats. Correct, push perception workson both sides of the street. There's
no question perception is hypothetical. Ifhe didn't act that way in the first
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four years of his first term,then why do we think he would do
that again because of perception? Soperception, how about president? President is
much more important than perception? Correct? I agree with you, but I
guess the question I'm asking you isdo you trust the American public or do
you believe the American public would wouldbe too afraid to vote for him?
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That's all I'm asking You're not tooafraid to vote for him? Have you
seen polls today? That's what I'masking. Well today, the poll today's
show in every swing state Donald Trumpis winning. He's also tied in New
Mexico, New Jersey, New Hampshire, Maine, Virginia, Minnesota. It's
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over all right unless you replace JoeBiden. And even if you do,
I don't think it matters. DonaldTrump's your next president, regardless of whether
the perception the president we got towaste. If they replace Joe Biden,
that that that could change. Thatcould change because I think some people,
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you know, I don't have ananswer for you, but there are some
people who fear Trump. You knowwhat it could be the situation like this,
I don't want to vote for Trump. I'm going to vote for the
other guy because he at least canmake can make it behind somebody. He
have to be behind somebody. ButJoe, you are overrating the American voter.
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Come on, people don't vote waypeople don't vote that way. People
vote vote, you know, thecolor of the hair. They vote against
somebody, and that's good enough.You have to support somebody. I understand.
Hey, y let me finish.The Trump base is very loyal,
right, the Biden base, orto what the Whitmer base, the Newsom
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base, the hairspace. You needloyalty behind your candidate, all right.
If you don't have that, youcan't just vote against somebody and that's good
enough. It doesn't work. AskHillary Clinton. It doesn't work. I
think that's why Trump won. Itdid work, Joe. People voted for
Trump because they didn't want Hillary.You're telling you your mind. No,
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you're telling me that Donald Trump gotelected on his own. It was an
anti Hillary movement. Women didn't knowit was. Oh my god, come
on, Joe, it was.It was based Oh come on, Joe.
Look he Donald Trump won in twentysixteen because a of his stance on
immigration, b on his stance ontrade, see on his trance, his
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stance on energy and taxes, allthose things. It was a pro Trump
vote. It wasn't an anti Tillery. Oh come on, Joe Trump Trump.
Do you know how shocked Trump wasthat he won? He couldn't believe
he won. He thought he wasgoing to get another reality show. Donald
Trump didn't even think he was gonnawin. Joe. I really do think
he went through all that didn't thinkhe was gonna win. I agree with
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Joe. I get what are youdoing next week? What am I doing
next week? Yeah? Like Mondayor Tuesday? You want to come back
on? Uh? Yeah, surethat sounds great. Okay, I gotta
go. I'm up. I gota ton of gush. What can I
tell you? They told me youonly had fifteen minutes? I got commercials,
right, I understand? Okay,sounds great, Okay, great arguments.
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By the way you're doing, you'redoing awesome. I think I'm doing
things fantastic. No, actually,you've embarrassed yourself quite frankly. Oh Joe,
I have not embarrassed myself. Getout of here. You have because
the anti Hillary vote? Oh,come on, what world do you live
in? You live in the FoxNews world? It was anti Hillary?
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Are you kidding me? Viral?If Biden had run instead of Hilary,
he would have won. If Bidenhad run instead of Hillary, he would
have won, all right, right, Like he's winning this time around,
right, Oh, he was likeyou how long ago that he's too old
for the job. He's old forthe job from the beginning, Are you
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kidding me? He would if Bidenand oh yeah, he would have been
trum nobody too. It was antiHillary. I gotta go listen. It's
been great having you on, Joe. Oh, we'll get try next week.
All right. Joe Conta joins usfrom Fox Sports, Fox News and
the Galaxy. You're living in rightnow. Appreciate it. Let's see,
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that was fun. I don't knowif we have time for Devlin Barrett.
Do we have time? Well,we're gonna take a break and figure it
out. We're locked in load witha lot of guests on w b Z.
Now back to Dan ray Line fromThe Window World, Light Side Studios
on WBZ News Radio. Welcome back. We have to next week. I'm
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on on Monday and Tuesday. Wegotta get Joe conte im back from Fox
News. That was fun. Ithink Look, I think candidates they voted
against Hillary and they'll vote against Trumpbecause they're afraid of them. That's what
I think. And I don't thinkthe Supreme Court did him any favors.
They may think so, but Ithink in the long run, I don't
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think they did. I don't thinkthey did, even though I don't think
all of January sixth is on Trump. Some of it is, but not.
I think that was gonna happen nomatter what. Eric and Kiddery,
you're up on WBZ. Hi,how are you doing tonight? I'm great?
Eric? How are you great?That's the last guy you had.
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What did you say was from Fox? Yeah? He's great? Is any
I disagree with him? But Ilike him. He's got spunk. Oh,
he's got but he doesn't have toomany effects. I mean I thought,
I mean, Trump told everybody he'sout for retribution, He's out to
suspend the Constitution. What part didn'the understand? Yeah. Trump's a dangerous
guy, I think because when youfeed his ego, look out. I
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mean, that's the problem. Okay, here, here's the one thing I
want to bring up, because itwas about the ruling today, right,
Yeah, that's how we started.Well no, no, it wasn't about
the ruling, but it was aboutYes, it was about the Supreme Court
ruling. I'm sorry, Yes,go ahead, Okay. What I got
to say is this, the SupremeCourt is not supposed to make new law.
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Supposedly that's above their authority. Theymade new criminal evidentiary law, but
carving out a law for Trump,a new law without Congress. Yeah,
there's no question. It was abad job. It was a bad job.
Basically, they committed treason. Andthe whole new law they made is
an all on void because they don'thave any it's already to make that.
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Well, thank you for the phonecall, Eric, I agree with you
that it was bad news. Thedeal is the way I see it anyways,
is they kick the cam back downto the lower courts so Trump could
run for office and not get arrested. Right, So if he is tried,
if he wins the presidency, he'sgoing to pardon himself and the judges
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that he appointed to him a favor. Now it works both ways, okay,
because you know democratic judges that werenominated by democratic president. They all
take care of each other. Let'sface it, they all do. But
that's what the plan is here,is for Trump to win. Then if
he goes to trial, he'll pardonhimself and they'll make it all go away.
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That's what they I mean, that'sobvious. What they want to happen
because he's not going to be ableto be tried before he runs for office.
I don't think Trump's gonna win.I do think they have to replace
Biden in order for it to happen, because like there was a Antai Hillary
vote, there's going to be ananti Trump vote. Time for CBS News.
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You're on Night Side with Dan Rayon w b Z, Boston's news
Radio. Thank you, Nicole,Welcome back, Gary Tankway for Dan Ray
tonight six one, seven, two, ten thirty. We're going to get
to your calls joining us right nowas we talk about what's going on with
the Supreme Court and the potential ofDonald Trump being king. President Biden speaking
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about that tonight and how the courtruled that the president is immune from being
prosecuted for official acts but not unofficialacts. And that's the great question,
what is unofficial versus official? PresleyBaker joins US political commentator, podcaster,
former National Defense fellow at the RonaldReagan Institute. Presley, thanks for joining
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us here on WBC's Nightside. Thankyou for having me, all right,
we appreciate it. What do youmake of the Supreme Court? And then
I think kind of kicking the canback down the chain here when it comes
to president, the president's immunity fromprosecution for official or unofficial acts. Yeah,
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well, the Supreme Court is nostranger to do in that. They
tend to like to avoid questions whenthey can, So you know, I
think that then pushing it back downto the district honestly gives the election a
little more of a chance to havethe people decide what they think about President
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Trump's actions instead of it being decidedbefore the election. Well, I also
think when you take a look atthis is if a Democrat is elected,
it applies to them too totally.So that's been forgotten in all of this
because Trump is such a big personality. If you will right now, I
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have to ask you here now,since you worked at the Ronald Reagan Institute,
I assume you are a conservative.I do tend to lean that way.
I will say I have some libertariansides to me, but yes,
okay, so as a conservative becauseI'm my joke, my running joke is
I'm voting for Dwayne Johnson the Rockfor president because I because either one does
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it nauseates me. I mean,look, I like John Kasich, I
voted for Romney instead of Obama thefirst time around because I didn't think Obama
was ready. I voted for Obamathe second time around because Sarah Palin drove
me nuts. And it has nothingthe factor do that she's a woman.
I have no problem with that,you know. I mean, she was
just totally unqualified and McCain. Thefact that McCain picked her worried me,
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you know what I mean. AndI was a John McCain fan who was
also friends with Biden, So look, I could jump both sides of the
fence here, but Trump scared thehell out of me. Yeah. Well,
you know, I agree with youin the fact that it protects the
Democrats just as much as it protectsthe Republicans, right, and people forget
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about that. I think people areforgetting about that because Donald Trump has said
multiple times that he would go afterthe Biden crime family if he were elected
president again, and I think peoplearen't realizing that this also protects Biden from
being prosecuted for things like the borderand other situations that Trump or that administration,
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that Justice Department could take and saythat he's criminally liable for. What
do you talk about the borders.More specifically, I've seen a couple of
couple of people on different media outletssay things like, well, Jill Biden
should be prosecuted for allowing so manymigrants to cross the border and commit crimes
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in our country, and that heshould be charged in association with those crimes.
Yeah, I tell you, Presleythat. Yeah, that's a tough
one, but I'll give you this. The border drives me crazy. We
have put people on the moon,we have cures for diseases. I had
a friend. I had a friend. I am a cancer survivor, Dana
Farber, God bless you. Ihad a friend that was terminally ill with
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cancer and then she wasn't because ofresearch. How come we can't fix the
border? And I hate that it'sa partisan issue. Why can't it be
fixed? Tell me this, Whatis the reason that we're not fixing this
and that we don't have some systemthat allows people to come into our country
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in a reasonable manner. I completelyagree with you there. I'm from Texas,
born and raised, so the borderis an issue that I hear about
on the daily from people in politicspeople not in politics, And I don't
see why there's so much political tensionover the border and why we can't all
agree on a on certain things.I have great friends that are legal immigrants
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that talk about how great it isto be in our country and how thankful
they are to be in our country. And I think that our immigration system
right now is too difficult for peopleto go through because there's people that I've
had Green cards for ten plus yearsthat are educated here, that have been
here since therefore, and that's thesame thing with illegal immigrants. I think
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there should be an easier process forapplying for asylum, and I think there
should be an easier process for legalimmigration. And I live in DC right
now, and I meet a lotof people that work on the Hill and
they have a lot of great ideas. And one of my colleagues at Georgetown
when I attended grad school there,brought up how they should be stapling green
cards to college degrees. Get ifyou're educated in the United States, you
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should be able to qualify for agreen card very easily, because we should
want to keep people here that areeducated here. It's a great idea,
and I personally think and I've talkedto a lot of Democrats that I'm friends
with, and a lot of usagree that the immigration system needs to be
fixed. I think I don't knowwhy people don't want to fix it.
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That's the thing I don't understand isI don't think anybody. Everybody understands Lady
Liberty. Everybody has you know,everybody, my ancestors came from Ireland and
from Canada. You know everybody.You know, everybody came from somewhere.
But it's just you. There's gotto be some sense of and not to
mention, to protect the immigrants,people who come across the river and drown,
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I mean with kids. I meanit's it's I just don't understand.
I just don't think people want tofix it. I think both sides want
to use it as a political plankwell, and both sides currently and this
is a lot of different issues.It's not just the border. Are villainizing
the other side as evil and morallywrong for their opinion on the border.
So you have the Democrats saying thatthe Republicans don't care about migrant families,
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they don't care about migrant kids,they don't care about people's life. And
then you have the Republicans saying thatDemocrats don't care about American lives because immigrants
are killing Americans, and so Ijust I think that we're focusing on the
wrong issues instead of focusing on howto get people that want to be in
our country and want to contribute toour society here safely, and to keep
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people out that are that are criminalsfrom other countries. God, I never
thought i'd say this, but Ilong for the days of like Bob Dolean
Tip O'Neil, when things actually getdone right, you know, I mean
it's really I mean, it waslike, okay, look, you know,
you know you've got to take youknow, the great Tim Russer,
who, again I don't agree withpolitically, but I thought he was a
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terrific journalist and you know, Iknew people that knew him, and he
was a great guy. He waslike you know, I think he worked
for Senator Mornerhan where he goes likeSenator morning Hare would say it, right,
you know, you got to dothis, Okay, you give me
that, I'll give you this.Blah blah blah blah blah. It's crazy,
it's not happening. It's it's well, we've gotten to the point where
people people think people on the otherside are bad people know it's insane.
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It's like I sit there and Isay to myself, okay, and I
don't want to get it. Youknow, I'm pro choice, I'm pretty
much everything. If you're gay andyou want to get married, I don't
care. If you want to liveyour life a certain way, I don't
care. I just don't want topay for it. That's exactly how I
feel. And I think that's likeeight of America. It is. There's
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a strong moderate majority in America,and I think a lot of people that
are involved in politics every day forgetthat. There's no doubt, there's absolutely
no doubt. So I got ona tangent. God, Presty, what
the hell did I have you onto talk about? I think the Supreme
Court? Yeah, So, okay, the way I see it, so
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Trump gets If Trump gets elected,then he pardons himself. This would happen
with a Democrat too. I mean, listen, the Clintons. I get
the whole thing with the Clintons.You know there was some you know,
dirty water. There are no punintended. Okay, so I'm not pointing
fingers either way. But if Trumpgets elected, that he pardons himself,
right right? Yeah, I meanthe Democrat would do the same thing exactly.
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Okay, so so in the Democrat. So I guess the final question
I have for you here is didthe Supreme Court do anything morally wrong?
I don't think they necessarily did anythingmorally wrong. I think that they expanded
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presidential power, which isn't I thinkyou could argue either way is good and
bad thing. But what I dothink we saw here was a perfect example
of judicial review. And I thinkthat the criticism that the Court shouldn't have
made this kind of decision is alittle bit irrelevant because it's the president.
The president of judicial review sets thatthey are allowed to and have full power
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to make that decision on where doit spand executive power where to limit it.
So now here comes the question,Presley Baker, are you officially on
this talk show or are you unofficiallyon this talk show? And can you
please explain the difference, because thatyou know, I understand, I get
the stuff, like, look,America has done bad things in order to
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stay America. Like I know,we've done bad things regardless of whether there's
a Democrat or Republican in power topreserve democracy that we don't know about and
I'm okay with that. Okay,so I get that the president has to
do some stuff, but is thereany way And I can tell by the
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way I'm talking to you, Idon't think you're in favor of a mob
overthrowing Congress. I think that's saferecession. Okay, Okay, I think
we're up the creement there. Butis there any way in hell because it's
official or unofficial that a president couldI mean, is Judge sort of my
oor getting a little extravagant here.Extravagant is not the right word, exactly
exaggerating going on to the top,that a president could be king or queen
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however you want to look at it, or January sixth could happen and a
president could order it and he wouldnot be taken a task for it.
Is that a possibility. I doagree with Justice Roberts on this topic that
that's a little hyperbolic and that that'sa little extreme for the realistic thing that
would probably happen. But you know, Alexander Hamilton also wrote in Central seventy
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that we need a strong executive andI over the years, probably really since
the Reagan administration and the changing ofcommunication and the changing of the role of
the executive. We've seen an increasein the political power of the executive in
general. And I think the nextbig jump besides broadcast media is social media.
And so I think that's really whatthe court's toying with here, is
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from social media communication and does thatcount as official business? Does it not?
And it's going to be passed backdown to the district courts, and
it's going to be take a wholelot longer than November. I don't care
about the social media part. Ijust don't want anybody attacking Congress again.
I mean, the social media couldget whatever. But a lot of people
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claim that that that part of hissocial media was part of the spurring that
event. Exciting. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I understand what
you're saying, But then you getback into that, you know, the
First Amendment. I mean, right, right, right, it's a comedy,
social media public forum. That's that'sThat's another whole separate question, a
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whole separate, hour long topic wecould talk about. Yeah, well,
we'll have to do it again.Presley, thanks for coming on. You
want to come on again sometime?Absolutely, have me on whenever. I
would love to join Okay, sweetPresley Baker joining US political commentator podcaster from
Washington, DC. We really appreciateyou coming on Nightside. We'll talk again.
Thank you so much for having me. Okay, take care six one
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seven in two five four, tenthirty. We're gonna get us some calls
here. We still have Rick andLinda and Tom to get to a schedule
to appear at the top of thehour. As he flips his page,
is Byron Henry going to try toget him on the line. We did
invite him on. We haven't confirmedyet, but we think that maybe he's
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coming on. If not, I'lljust talk to you at six one seven
two thirty on wbz's Nightside. Nowback to Dan Ray live from the Window
World Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio, Daria for Dan tonight uh six seven
thirty. We're talking about the SupremeCourt ruling or should I say, I
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like to say kicking the can downthe road here back to the lower courts,
about immunity and what is an officialact and an unofficial act? And
if you attack Congress is that official? I hope not. But anyways,
let's grab lind and Weymouth, whohas been waiting, Linda, you're up
on WBZ. Oh, I thoughtthe other person who you mentioned was first.
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Anyways, get your quick question.I'd like to. But the gaels
in front of guests in front ofme had said about the people coming over
from the boys and being a littlemore definitive of who comes over, right,
Baks, But right now we haveno definity. As far as the
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last election, I hadn't. I'mglad you did bring it up because I
think I heard you say I'm notsure there were many people that were voting
for Trump as at anti Hillary.I was one of the anti Hillary,
and I was borderline not voting forpresident at all. I have to tell
you I know women like yourself thatI know women of of of a variety
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of different backgrounds that did not likeHillary Clinton. That highly educated women that
did not like her. She wasnot likable. I mean, my guy
Joe here from Fox, he's outof his mind. Trump didn't win.
Hillary lost. Yeah, but whenwe got Dad Trump here a few times
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put a number of times, I'mthinking, you know, he still think
she's on the Apprentice. Oh it'sa TV show. Oh you're by it,
you're by it? Yeah? Ohfor President Trump. Yeah, and
Linda, thank you for the call. I appreciate I want to get some
other people, lady. I meanto a degree, that's okay if you're
president. Ronald Reagan was a terrifictelevision president. John F. Kennedy was
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a terrific television president. They fitthe mold, they looked great, they
made the can That's part of thejob. That's why Biden is in trouble
because the American people don't have confidencein him. A big part of the
job is showmanship, going out infront of the world, being confident.
Selling your message doesn't matter if youwrote it, but sell it. Trump
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could sell it. It's just allbull crap because it's all lies, you
know. I mean if Trump,if Trump had done nothing but sit in
the White House for four years andstay off Twitter and just do what he
was told by his advisors, hewould have got elected a second term.
He would have got elected a secondterm. It's a TV show for Donald
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Trump. You heard it. Youheard it. It's a TV show for
him, and in some ways that'sgood, but it has to be more
than a TV show. If you'represident Tom and Boston, you're in WBC.
Hi, Tom, Tom you're up, kid? OHI Gary, Tommy,
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what's going on? Buddy? Igot a question for you. Was
the border Morris oral less secure underTrump? Obiden? Which one? I
really don't know, Tom, Ireally maybe come on, now, come
on, now, come on.It's a mess. It's been a mess
period. No, it was.We had a border wall going up,
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and Tom, I understand that wallwas never gonna go oh oh you mean
Tom? Stop? You mean thewall that Mexico was gonna pay for.
Mexico was gonna pay for it,and then Mexico told the Trump to go
unbiased. You're not on biased.You were totally against Trump no matter what
anybody says, You're totally unbiased.You want the guy that can't even speak?
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No, I don't. I don'twant either want Tom. You're not
listening. I don't want I don'twant Biden. I don't want Trump.
I don't want other ones. Sowhat are you gonna do? So what
are you gonna do? You gottwo choices, one of the other.
What are you gonna do? I'mgonna vote for the guy that they replaced
Biden with or the girl lady?What if? What if they don't what
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happens if it comes down that JoeBiden and Donald Trump. I told you
I'm going to write in for therock, so you're gonna write it to
the rock. I'm going to makea statement. I'm going to make a
statement time. I'm going to writeit for the rock. But don't tell
me that the border was better withTrump. The border has been a mess
period. I mean they were takingfamilies, that separating him. That's in
humine. All right, real quick, let's get to Rick and Bell Rocket,
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Ricky, you're tight on time,buddy, let her rip. What's
up? All right? Well,I appreciate that Bob Dolan Tip O'Neil might
have got more done. I thinkI disagree with you about Trump. If
you look at his record when hewas in despite being a blowhid narcissistic to
a degree, which Biden is totallynarcissistic himself. He wears sunglasses like he's
Tom Cruise all the time. Yeah, they all are they all well,
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sure, sure, that's fine.But if you look at his record,
inflation was low, we did pumpgash and we pumped oil for the first
time in fifty years. We werean exporting oil nation. We're buying less
from our enemies. Now we're buyinga ton from our enemies Venezuela, Russia,
opeg nations that hate our guns.We had a much more secure border.
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He almost finished the last one hundredmiles, but he couldn't. And
uh, you know he would have. He would have tightened up the border
control, uh patrol, you know, off the border. I think people
still would have got through, butthe Biden administration opened the floodgates. Millions
have got through and unvetted. Iappreciate the calling we're up against it.
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Some of valid point. He didn'tgive me much of a chance. But
well, I know, but I'mjust going to tell you that you are
making valid points that the economy wasgood. All he had to do was
stay off Twitter. It's really thatsimple. He had to stay Again,
people voted against Hillary, and theyvoted against Trump. If he had stayed
off Towner, he would have gotreallected. The proof is in the pudding
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we got. We're gonna think he'sgoing to be king. If you just
stated his lady would have been fine. I gotta go, Thanks, Rick,
Uh time for a break in thenews. Coming up next, we're
going to continue to talk about thisbut here. On wbz's Nights
It's Night Side with Dray on Boston'snew Radio. This nation was founded on
the principle that there are no kingsin America. Each each of us is
equal before the law. No one, no one is above the law,
not even the President of the UnitedStates. With today's Supreme Court decision on
(00:22):
presidential immunity, that fundamentally changed forall, for all practical purposes. Today's
decision almost certainly means that there arevirtually no limits what the president can do.
This is a fundamentally new principle,and it's a dangerous president because the
power of the office will no longerbe constrained by the law, even including
(00:46):
the Supreme Court in the United States. The only limits will be self imposed
by the president alone. This decisiontoday has continued the Court's attack in recent
years on a wide range of longestablish legal principles in our nation, from
gutting voting rights and civil rights,to taking away a woman's right to choose,
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to today's decision that undermines the ruleof law of this nation. That
is President Biden, speaking earlier thisevening in a press conference you heard here
on WBZ This is Radio ten thirty. Joining us now is Joe Contra from
Fox News. So, by theway, I do want to say that
this works both ways. You know, if a Democrat wins the presidency or
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if a Republican wins the presidency.It's just everybody is fearful of Trump winning
because he could be king. Joe, thanks for joining us. What do
you think of that fear? Okayfrom Fox News, Joe Contra joints So
sorry about that, Joe, littletechnical difficulty. I don't know what you
heard or didn't here, but weplayed a segment of President Biden's speech earlier
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this evening, and the thing thatI reminded people is that, you know,
if they're worried about the president beingking, it can work both ways.
If a Democrat wins in a Republicanit's not just the Republican. But
do you think that is an overstatementby the president that if Trump wins,
he will be king? Well,it's a rhetorical question almost at this point,
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because look, Joe Biden comes outtonight or this afternoon and says what
he said in a teleprompter, didn'ttake any questions afterwards, marched off afterwards.
The one thing Biden had to dotoday was take questions afterwards, speak
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extemporaneously show the country that he coulddo this without actually speaking through a teleprompter,
and he did not do that.So more important thing, I appreciate
it because you're tight on time,and you know, I want your expertise.
Look, as far as I'm concerned, I'm not big on either guy.
Look, Biden's too old for thegig. That's the way I feel.
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You don't have to sell me onthat. Maybe you have to sell
some listeners. But I'm a registeredDemocrat and I feel he's too old for
the gig, So don't worry aboutthat. But what I want your expertise
on is the court ruling six tothree that the president has some immunity.
So what is a what is anofficial act and what is an unofficial act.
Let's get to January sixth, becauseI'm not a fan of either party.
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So if January sixth happens, doesthat mean the president has immunity from
that? Well, let's let's putanother example forward. Let's say President Barack
Obama, you know, may havedropped some drones strikes that killed American citizens
in Africa, for example, whichhappened, So can you prosecute every president
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for their acts in office as aresult where you can say, hey,
all right, well you know hekilled somebody, or he may have done
something that was illegal. I don'tknow. I don't know where. I'm
not a legal guy. But grayline, you know, blue line,
where is that exactly? I don'tknow where that stands here? And the
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Supreme Court is six' three.That's that's the ruling. So that's what
it is. Okay, But it'sjust it's just Trump's court. I mean,
Trump's not even in office. Butguys that he appointed, people that
he appointed or justices I should saythat he appointed. Uh this obviously favors
him or his line of thinking.So but I mean, there's got to
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be here's my problem, Joe.And look, I'm a reasonable person.
I'm just trying to get some commonsense out of this. Like your point
is well taken about what happened withwith with Obama. But we're talking about
attack, an attack on the Capitol, and as far as I'm concerned,
this is still a big gray areawith Trump. I mean, did he
do as much as he could tocall him off? Probably not. But
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did he incite it? Did hecause it? Did he create it?
Did he organize it? I don'tthink so. So that gray area,
to me has always driven me crazy, Like I don't know, you know,
well, what happened January sixth.I think it was going to happen,
whether Trump said anything or not.Of course, and he said marks
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peacefully to the Capitol in his speech, So I don't know if you said,
like, go there and you know, kick some butt, it's a
gray area. I think it wasa protest that got completely out of control,
like many things in twenty twenty,quite frankly, but I just don't
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I don't think he incided it.I just don't think that that was something
that happened there. I don't either, and I didn't vote for him.
I mean, you know, I'mtrying to be objective here, you know,
so I guess what I want fromfrom your expertise, though for your
background here is are we in trouble? Is this dangerous territory? Whether it's
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a Republican or a Democrat in officewith what the court has done. Boy,
well, a president can be prosecutedover a decision that may have killed
people, may have resulted in whatwe saw in January sixth, then I'm
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not sure that it's the wrong decisionin this case, six three Supreme Court
saying that the president has some immunityhere as far as the decision, that's
let's put it this way. GeorgeW. Bush with weapons of mass destruction
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then goes to war with Iraq anda lot of people die there. Should
he be prosecuted over that? Ijust don't think so. No, I
don't think he should. No,I don't think he should. But if
the president tries to overthrow the UnitedStates government, and I'm not saying Trump
did, I'm not saying I'm notgoing that far. Some people right from
my party will I'm not saying that. Okay, I think it was going
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to happen whether look, Trump's gothis people. That's it the bottom line,
And that's a whole other discussion.But like with with if Trump hadn't
been around, I don't think anybodywould attack the government, attack the capital.
But I also don't think he wasthere leading the charge. So like,
there's gotta be some common sense here. Yes, Okay, it's not
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a if you go out and ifyou try to defend the country, or
you have an act of aggression ofanother country that you decided to make as
commander in chief. That's not acrime, But if you attack your own
capital, it is. Why isthat so hard? It's a good question.
But again, I think you answeredyour own question by saying that Trump
didn't lead that charge, right.Yeah, I don't think he did.
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I never thought he did. Look, I'm not a fan of Trump,
believe me. I think I thinkI I think I think our choices for
president suck. I mean, ifthere was there are any number, I
mean, if Mom Bromney was running, I'd vote for him, you know,
and I'm a registered Democrat. Asa matter of fact, I did
the first time around. I votedfor Mitt. I knew him when he
was in Boston. I wasn't sureObama was ready for the gig. I
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said, I think MIT's kind ofa reasonable guy. The pro choice thing,
I don't think he really cares.I think he has to do that
because his party wants him to doit. But I voted from it.
Romney because he did great things inMassachusetts. The healthcare system works in Massachusetts.
He did it, you know.So I voted for him. But
like Trump, I can't, youknow. So that's the question, No,
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Joe, what do you do wellhere's Joe. Yeah, I know,
and flip a coin. I'm votingfor the Rock. That's what I
said. Dwayne Johnson's my right in. I'm voting for the Rock. Look,
Joe, we got to go,and I appreciate your time. It's
everybody's got a tight schedule. Butbut I guess when I you know,
the Democrats are gonna have to replacehim. I just think they're gonna have
to the only thing, the onlything is that's a good question. You
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know, the guy from California mightwork. I don't know, but I
think, but I think why hewon't work? Why you show me Gavin
Newsom in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Yeah, trying to neck with blue
dog you know, blue collar workingclass voters, the ultimate snob. I
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don't see that. Yeah, no, no, you're right. I mean
they're kind of up against it.They listen to Joe and the misses too
much. Joe, We've got tohave you on when we have more time.
I appreciate you coming on. Allright, we can go longer.
You want to go for two moreminutes? Are you good? Yeah?
Okay, we'll go for two moreminutes. Okay, I'll take you on
that, Yes, all right.So in regard to okay, well,
let's go with the Democrats. See, I think that this could work against
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Trump because I think there are peoplethat would vote for Trump because they see
this or and you know, theAmerica people don't they read headlines. A
lot of people don't read the details. They just look on the surface.
So some people that were going tovote, some people that were going to
vote for Trump are thinking, ohmy god, I can't vote for him
now because he could be king.This could backfire for Trump, could it
not? What do you mean hecould be king? I mean, that's
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that's what That's what Biden is saying. Biden's saying that if Trump is president,
he would be king. That's theway he would act. He would
become acting like a king. Ofcourse not, but that's like I said
at the beginning, Are you sureabout that? With the whole you know,
student loan thing, Oh right,Supreme Court ruled this way. Congress
(10:16):
said, I'm gonna you serve allof that, and I'm just gonna do
what I'm doing with student loans.Like I said at the top, it
can work both ways. But whatI'm saying for this particular instance, is
that the fear factor of Trump overthrowingI'm using quotes overthrowing Congress or becoming a
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you're becoming a dictator, of becominga king. And I'm going over the
Trump was Trump was president already?What did he act like a dictator from
twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one?No, he didn't. Did you see
that? No? Why would heact like that now? Joe, I'm
trying. We're relected. Let memake a point is do you think it
will hurt him in the re election? That people will be afraid that he
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will But if the president is thathe didn't do that the first time around,
then why would that be a fearThe perception could be there is what
I'm saying and the followers perception,perception pushed by the media and pushed by
Democrats. Correct, push perception workson both sides of the street. There's
no question perception is hypothetical. Ifhe didn't act that way in the first
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four years of his first term,then why do we think he would do
that again because of perception? Soperception, how about president? President is
much more important than perception? Correct? I agree with you, but I
guess the question I'm asking you isdo you trust the American public or do
you believe the American public would wouldbe too afraid to vote for him?
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That's all I'm asking You're not tooafraid to vote for him? Have you
seen polls today? That's what I'masking. Well today, the poll today's
show in every swing state Donald Trumpis winning. He's also tied in New
Mexico, New Jersey, New Hampshire, Maine, Virginia, Minnesota. It's
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over all right unless you replace JoeBiden. And even if you do,
I don't think it matters. DonaldTrump's your next president, regardless of whether
the perception the president we got towaste. If they replace Joe Biden,
that that that could change. Thatcould change because I think some people,
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you know, I don't have ananswer for you, but there are some
people who fear Trump. You knowwhat it could be the situation like this,
I don't want to vote for Trump. I'm going to vote for the
other guy because he at least canmake can make it behind somebody. He
have to be behind somebody. ButJoe, you are overrating the American voter.
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Come on, people don't vote waypeople don't vote that way. People
vote vote, you know, thecolor of the hair. They vote against
somebody, and that's good enough.You have to support somebody. I understand.
Hey, y let me finish.The Trump base is very loyal,
right, the Biden base, orto what the Whitmer base, the Newsom
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base, the hairspace. You needloyalty behind your candidate, all right.
If you don't have that, youcan't just vote against somebody and that's good
enough. It doesn't work. AskHillary Clinton. It doesn't work. I
think that's why Trump won. Itdid work, Joe. People voted for
Trump because they didn't want Hillary.You're telling you your mind. No,
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you're telling me that Donald Trump gotelected on his own. It was an
anti Hillary movement. Women didn't knowit was. Oh my god, come
on, Joe, it was.It was based Oh come on, Joe.
Look he Donald Trump won in twentysixteen because a of his stance on
immigration, b on his stance ontrade, see on his trance, his
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stance on energy and taxes, allthose things. It was a pro Trump
vote. It wasn't an anti Tillery. Oh come on, Joe Trump Trump.
Do you know how shocked Trump wasthat he won? He couldn't believe
he won. He thought he wasgoing to get another reality show. Donald
Trump didn't even think he was gonnawin. Joe. I really do think
he went through all that didn't thinkhe was gonna win. I agree with
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Joe. I get what are youdoing next week? What am I doing
next week? Yeah? Like Mondayor Tuesday? You want to come back
on? Uh? Yeah, surethat sounds great. Okay, I gotta
go. I'm up. I gota ton of gush. What can I
tell you? They told me youonly had fifteen minutes? I got commercials,
right, I understand? Okay,sounds great, Okay, great arguments.
(14:45):
By the way you're doing, you'redoing awesome. I think I'm doing
things fantastic. No, actually,you've embarrassed yourself quite frankly. Oh Joe,
I have not embarrassed myself. Getout of here. You have because
the anti Hillary vote? Oh,come on, what world do you live
in? You live in the FoxNews world? It was anti Hillary?
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Are you kidding me? Viral?If Biden had run instead of Hilary,
he would have won. If Bidenhad run instead of Hillary, he would
have won, all right, right, Like he's winning this time around,
right, Oh, he was likeyou how long ago that he's too old
for the job. He's old forthe job from the beginning, Are you
(15:28):
kidding me? He would if Bidenand oh yeah, he would have been
trum nobody too. It was antiHillary. I gotta go listen. It's
been great having you on, Joe. Oh, we'll get try next week.
All right. Joe Conta joins usfrom Fox Sports, Fox News and
the Galaxy. You're living in rightnow. Appreciate it. Let's see,
(15:50):
that was fun. I don't knowif we have time for Devlin Barrett.
Do we have time? Well,we're gonna take a break and figure it
out. We're locked in load witha lot of guests on w b Z.
Now back to Dan ray Line fromThe Window World, Light Side Studios
on WBZ News Radio. Welcome back. We have to next week. I'm
(16:10):
on on Monday and Tuesday. Wegotta get Joe conte im back from Fox
News. That was fun. Ithink Look, I think candidates they voted
against Hillary and they'll vote against Trumpbecause they're afraid of them. That's what
I think. And I don't thinkthe Supreme Court did him any favors.
They may think so, but Ithink in the long run, I don't
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think they did. I don't thinkthey did, even though I don't think
all of January sixth is on Trump. Some of it is, but not.
I think that was gonna happen nomatter what. Eric and Kiddery,
you're up on WBZ. Hi,how are you doing tonight? I'm great?
Eric? How are you great?That's the last guy you had.
(16:52):
What did you say was from Fox? Yeah? He's great? Is any
I disagree with him? But Ilike him. He's got spunk. Oh,
he's got but he doesn't have toomany effects. I mean I thought,
I mean, Trump told everybody he'sout for retribution, He's out to
suspend the Constitution. What part didn'the understand? Yeah. Trump's a dangerous
guy, I think because when youfeed his ego, look out. I
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mean, that's the problem. Okay, here, here's the one thing I
want to bring up, because itwas about the ruling today, right,
Yeah, that's how we started.Well no, no, it wasn't about
the ruling, but it was aboutYes, it was about the Supreme Court
ruling. I'm sorry, Yes,go ahead, Okay. What I got
to say is this, the SupremeCourt is not supposed to make new law.
(17:36):
Supposedly that's above their authority. Theymade new criminal evidentiary law, but
carving out a law for Trump,a new law without Congress. Yeah,
there's no question. It was abad job. It was a bad job.
Basically, they committed treason. Andthe whole new law they made is
an all on void because they don'thave any it's already to make that.
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Well, thank you for the phonecall, Eric, I agree with you
that it was bad news. Thedeal is the way I see it anyways,
is they kick the cam back downto the lower courts so Trump could
run for office and not get arrested. Right, So if he is tried,
if he wins the presidency, he'sgoing to pardon himself and the judges
(18:22):
that he appointed to him a favor. Now it works both ways, okay,
because you know democratic judges that werenominated by democratic president. They all
take care of each other. Let'sface it, they all do. But
that's what the plan is here,is for Trump to win. Then if
he goes to trial, he'll pardonhimself and they'll make it all go away.
(18:47):
That's what they I mean, that'sobvious. What they want to happen
because he's not going to be ableto be tried before he runs for office.
I don't think Trump's gonna win.I do think they have to replace
Biden in order for it to happen, because like there was a Antai Hillary
vote, there's going to be ananti Trump vote. Time for CBS News.
(19:07):
You're on Night Side with Dan Rayon w b Z, Boston's news
Radio. Thank you, Nicole,Welcome back, Gary Tankway for Dan Ray
tonight six one, seven, two, ten thirty. We're going to get
to your calls joining us right nowas we talk about what's going on with
the Supreme Court and the potential ofDonald Trump being king. President Biden speaking
(19:32):
about that tonight and how the courtruled that the president is immune from being
prosecuted for official acts but not unofficialacts. And that's the great question,
what is unofficial versus official? PresleyBaker joins US political commentator, podcaster,
former National Defense fellow at the RonaldReagan Institute. Presley, thanks for joining
(19:55):
us here on WBC's Nightside. Thankyou for having me, all right,
we appreciate it. What do youmake of the Supreme Court? And then
I think kind of kicking the canback down the chain here when it comes
to president, the president's immunity fromprosecution for official or unofficial acts. Yeah,
(20:17):
well, the Supreme Court is nostranger to do in that. They
tend to like to avoid questions whenthey can, So you know, I
think that then pushing it back downto the district honestly gives the election a
little more of a chance to havethe people decide what they think about President
(20:38):
Trump's actions instead of it being decidedbefore the election. Well, I also
think when you take a look atthis is if a Democrat is elected,
it applies to them too totally.So that's been forgotten in all of this
because Trump is such a big personality. If you will right now, I
(21:03):
have to ask you here now,since you worked at the Ronald Reagan Institute,
I assume you are a conservative.I do tend to lean that way.
I will say I have some libertariansides to me, but yes,
okay, so as a conservative becauseI'm my joke, my running joke is
I'm voting for Dwayne Johnson the Rockfor president because I because either one does
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it nauseates me. I mean,look, I like John Kasich, I
voted for Romney instead of Obama thefirst time around because I didn't think Obama
was ready. I voted for Obamathe second time around because Sarah Palin drove
me nuts. And it has nothingthe factor do that she's a woman.
I have no problem with that,you know. I mean, she was
just totally unqualified and McCain. Thefact that McCain picked her worried me,
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you know what I mean. AndI was a John McCain fan who was
also friends with Biden, So look, I could jump both sides of the
fence here, but Trump scared thehell out of me. Yeah. Well,
you know, I agree with youin the fact that it protects the
Democrats just as much as it protectsthe Republicans, right, and people forget
(22:11):
about that. I think people areforgetting about that because Donald Trump has said
multiple times that he would go afterthe Biden crime family if he were elected
president again, and I think peoplearen't realizing that this also protects Biden from
being prosecuted for things like the borderand other situations that Trump or that administration,
(22:32):
that Justice Department could take and saythat he's criminally liable for. What
do you talk about the borders.More specifically, I've seen a couple of
couple of people on different media outletssay things like, well, Jill Biden
should be prosecuted for allowing so manymigrants to cross the border and commit crimes
(22:52):
in our country, and that heshould be charged in association with those crimes.
Yeah, I tell you, Presleythat. Yeah, that's a tough
one, but I'll give you this. The border drives me crazy. We
have put people on the moon,we have cures for diseases. I had
a friend. I had a friend. I am a cancer survivor, Dana
Farber, God bless you. Ihad a friend that was terminally ill with
(23:18):
cancer and then she wasn't because ofresearch. How come we can't fix the
border? And I hate that it'sa partisan issue. Why can't it be
fixed? Tell me this, Whatis the reason that we're not fixing this
and that we don't have some systemthat allows people to come into our country
(23:40):
in a reasonable manner. I completelyagree with you there. I'm from Texas,
born and raised, so the borderis an issue that I hear about
on the daily from people in politicspeople not in politics, And I don't
see why there's so much political tensionover the border and why we can't all
agree on a on certain things.I have great friends that are legal immigrants
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that talk about how great it isto be in our country and how thankful
they are to be in our country. And I think that our immigration system
right now is too difficult for peopleto go through because there's people that I've
had Green cards for ten plus yearsthat are educated here, that have been
here since therefore, and that's thesame thing with illegal immigrants. I think
(24:26):
there should be an easier process forapplying for asylum, and I think there
should be an easier process for legalimmigration. And I live in DC right
now, and I meet a lotof people that work on the Hill and
they have a lot of great ideas. And one of my colleagues at Georgetown
when I attended grad school there,brought up how they should be stapling green
cards to college degrees. Get ifyou're educated in the United States, you
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should be able to qualify for agreen card very easily, because we should
want to keep people here that areeducated here. It's a great idea,
and I personally think and I've talkedto a lot of Democrats that I'm friends
with, and a lot of usagree that the immigration system needs to be
fixed. I think I don't knowwhy people don't want to fix it.
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That's the thing I don't understand isI don't think anybody. Everybody understands Lady
Liberty. Everybody has you know,everybody, my ancestors came from Ireland and
from Canada. You know everybody.You know, everybody came from somewhere.
But it's just you. There's gotto be some sense of and not to
mention, to protect the immigrants,people who come across the river and drown,
(25:33):
I mean with kids. I meanit's it's I just don't understand.
I just don't think people want tofix it. I think both sides want
to use it as a political plankwell, and both sides currently and this
is a lot of different issues.It's not just the border. Are villainizing
the other side as evil and morallywrong for their opinion on the border.
So you have the Democrats saying thatthe Republicans don't care about migrant families,
(25:56):
they don't care about migrant kids,they don't care about people's life. And
then you have the Republicans saying thatDemocrats don't care about American lives because immigrants
are killing Americans, and so Ijust I think that we're focusing on the
wrong issues instead of focusing on howto get people that want to be in
our country and want to contribute toour society here safely, and to keep
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people out that are that are criminalsfrom other countries. God, I never
thought i'd say this, but Ilong for the days of like Bob Dolean
Tip O'Neil, when things actually getdone right, you know, I mean
it's really I mean, it waslike, okay, look, you know,
you know you've got to take youknow, the great Tim Russer,
who, again I don't agree withpolitically, but I thought he was a
(26:37):
terrific journalist and you know, Iknew people that knew him, and he
was a great guy. He waslike you know, I think he worked
for Senator Mornerhan where he goes likeSenator morning Hare would say it, right,
you know, you got to dothis, Okay, you give me
that, I'll give you this.Blah blah blah blah blah. It's crazy,
it's not happening. It's it's well, we've gotten to the point where
people people think people on the otherside are bad people know it's insane.
(27:02):
It's like I sit there and Isay to myself, okay, and I
don't want to get it. Youknow, I'm pro choice, I'm pretty
much everything. If you're gay andyou want to get married, I don't
care. If you want to liveyour life a certain way, I don't
care. I just don't want topay for it. That's exactly how I
feel. And I think that's likeeight of America. It is. There's
(27:26):
a strong moderate majority in America,and I think a lot of people that
are involved in politics every day forgetthat. There's no doubt, there's absolutely
no doubt. So I got ona tangent. God, Presty, what
the hell did I have you onto talk about? I think the Supreme
Court? Yeah, So, okay, the way I see it, so
(27:51):
Trump gets If Trump gets elected,then he pardons himself. This would happen
with a Democrat too. I mean, listen, the Clintons. I get
the whole thing with the Clintons.You know there was some you know,
dirty water. There are no punintended. Okay, so I'm not pointing
fingers either way. But if Trumpgets elected, that he pardons himself,
right right? Yeah, I meanthe Democrat would do the same thing exactly.
(28:12):
Okay, so so in the Democrat. So I guess the final question
I have for you here is didthe Supreme Court do anything morally wrong?
I don't think they necessarily did anythingmorally wrong. I think that they expanded
(28:33):
presidential power, which isn't I thinkyou could argue either way is good and
bad thing. But what I dothink we saw here was a perfect example
of judicial review. And I thinkthat the criticism that the Court shouldn't have
made this kind of decision is alittle bit irrelevant because it's the president.
The president of judicial review sets thatthey are allowed to and have full power
(28:56):
to make that decision on where doit spand executive power where to limit it.
So now here comes the question,Presley Baker, are you officially on
this talk show or are you unofficiallyon this talk show? And can you
please explain the difference, because thatyou know, I understand, I get
the stuff, like, look,America has done bad things in order to
(29:19):
stay America. Like I know,we've done bad things regardless of whether there's
a Democrat or Republican in power topreserve democracy that we don't know about and
I'm okay with that. Okay,so I get that the president has to
do some stuff, but is thereany way And I can tell by the
(29:41):
way I'm talking to you, Idon't think you're in favor of a mob
overthrowing Congress. I think that's saferecession. Okay, Okay, I think
we're up the creement there. Butis there any way in hell because it's
official or unofficial that a president couldI mean, is Judge sort of my
oor getting a little extravagant here.Extravagant is not the right word, exactly
exaggerating going on to the top,that a president could be king or queen
(30:07):
however you want to look at it, or January sixth could happen and a
president could order it and he wouldnot be taken a task for it.
Is that a possibility. I doagree with Justice Roberts on this topic that
that's a little hyperbolic and that that'sa little extreme for the realistic thing that
would probably happen. But you know, Alexander Hamilton also wrote in Central seventy
(30:33):
that we need a strong executive andI over the years, probably really since
the Reagan administration and the changing ofcommunication and the changing of the role of
the executive. We've seen an increasein the political power of the executive in
general. And I think the nextbig jump besides broadcast media is social media.
And so I think that's really whatthe court's toying with here, is
(30:57):
from social media communication and does thatcount as official business? Does it not?
And it's going to be passed backdown to the district courts, and
it's going to be take a wholelot longer than November. I don't care
about the social media part. Ijust don't want anybody attacking Congress again.
I mean, the social media couldget whatever. But a lot of people
(31:18):
claim that that that part of hissocial media was part of the spurring that
event. Exciting. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I understand what
you're saying, But then you getback into that, you know, the
First Amendment. I mean, right, right, right, it's a comedy,
social media public forum. That's that'sThat's another whole separate question, a
(31:38):
whole separate, hour long topic wecould talk about. Yeah, well,
we'll have to do it again.Presley, thanks for coming on. You
want to come on again sometime?Absolutely, have me on whenever. I
would love to join Okay, sweetPresley Baker joining US political commentator podcaster from
Washington, DC. We really appreciateyou coming on Nightside. We'll talk again.
Thank you so much for having me. Okay, take care six one
(31:59):
seven in two five four, tenthirty. We're gonna get us some calls
here. We still have Rick andLinda and Tom to get to a schedule
to appear at the top of thehour. As he flips his page,
is Byron Henry going to try toget him on the line. We did
invite him on. We haven't confirmedyet, but we think that maybe he's
(32:22):
coming on. If not, I'lljust talk to you at six one seven
two thirty on wbz's Nightside. Nowback to Dan Ray live from the Window
World Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio, Daria for Dan tonight uh six seven
thirty. We're talking about the SupremeCourt ruling or should I say, I
(32:44):
like to say kicking the can downthe road here back to the lower courts,
about immunity and what is an officialact and an unofficial act? And
if you attack Congress is that official? I hope not. But anyways,
let's grab lind and Weymouth, whohas been waiting, Linda, you're up
on WBZ. Oh, I thoughtthe other person who you mentioned was first.
(33:06):
Anyways, get your quick question.I'd like to. But the gaels
in front of guests in front ofme had said about the people coming over
from the boys and being a littlemore definitive of who comes over, right,
Baks, But right now we haveno definity. As far as the
(33:27):
last election, I hadn't. I'mglad you did bring it up because I
think I heard you say I'm notsure there were many people that were voting
for Trump as at anti Hillary.I was one of the anti Hillary,
and I was borderline not voting forpresident at all. I have to tell
you I know women like yourself thatI know women of of of a variety
(33:53):
of different backgrounds that did not likeHillary Clinton. That highly educated women that
did not like her. She wasnot likable. I mean, my guy
Joe here from Fox, he's outof his mind. Trump didn't win.
Hillary lost. Yeah, but whenwe got Dad Trump here a few times
(34:16):
put a number of times, I'mthinking, you know, he still think
she's on the Apprentice. Oh it'sa TV show. Oh you're by it,
you're by it? Yeah? Ohfor President Trump. Yeah, and
Linda, thank you for the call. I appreciate I want to get some
other people, lady. I meanto a degree, that's okay if you're
president. Ronald Reagan was a terrifictelevision president. John F. Kennedy was
(34:37):
a terrific television president. They fitthe mold, they looked great, they
made the can That's part of thejob. That's why Biden is in trouble
because the American people don't have confidencein him. A big part of the
job is showmanship, going out infront of the world, being confident.
Selling your message doesn't matter if youwrote it, but sell it. Trump
(35:00):
could sell it. It's just allbull crap because it's all lies, you
know. I mean if Trump,if Trump had done nothing but sit in
the White House for four years andstay off Twitter and just do what he
was told by his advisors, hewould have got elected a second term.
He would have got elected a secondterm. It's a TV show for Donald
(35:23):
Trump. You heard it. Youheard it. It's a TV show for
him, and in some ways that'sgood, but it has to be more
than a TV show. If you'represident Tom and Boston, you're in WBC.
Hi, Tom, Tom you're up, kid? OHI Gary, Tommy,
(35:45):
what's going on? Buddy? Igot a question for you. Was
the border Morris oral less secure underTrump? Obiden? Which one? I
really don't know, Tom, Ireally maybe come on, now, come
on, now, come on.It's a mess. It's been a mess
period. No, it was.We had a border wall going up,
(36:07):
and Tom, I understand that wallwas never gonna go oh oh you mean
Tom? Stop? You mean thewall that Mexico was gonna pay for.
Mexico was gonna pay for it,and then Mexico told the Trump to go
unbiased. You're not on biased.You were totally against Trump no matter what
anybody says, You're totally unbiased.You want the guy that can't even speak?
(36:31):
No, I don't. I don'twant either want Tom. You're not
listening. I don't want I don'twant Biden. I don't want Trump.
I don't want other ones. Sowhat are you gonna do? So what
are you gonna do? You gottwo choices, one of the other.
What are you gonna do? I'mgonna vote for the guy that they replaced
Biden with or the girl lady?What if? What if they don't what
(36:52):
happens if it comes down that JoeBiden and Donald Trump. I told you
I'm going to write in for therock, so you're gonna write it to
the rock. I'm going to makea statement. I'm going to make a
statement time. I'm going to writeit for the rock. But don't tell
me that the border was better withTrump. The border has been a mess
period. I mean they were takingfamilies, that separating him. That's in
humine. All right, real quick, let's get to Rick and Bell Rocket,
(37:15):
Ricky, you're tight on time,buddy, let her rip. What's
up? All right? Well,I appreciate that Bob Dolan Tip O'Neil might
have got more done. I thinkI disagree with you about Trump. If
you look at his record when hewas in despite being a blowhid narcissistic to
a degree, which Biden is totallynarcissistic himself. He wears sunglasses like he's
Tom Cruise all the time. Yeah, they all are they all well,
(37:37):
sure, sure, that's fine.But if you look at his record,
inflation was low, we did pumpgash and we pumped oil for the first
time in fifty years. We werean exporting oil nation. We're buying less
from our enemies. Now we're buyinga ton from our enemies Venezuela, Russia,
opeg nations that hate our guns.We had a much more secure border.
(37:58):
He almost finished the last one hundredmiles, but he couldn't. And
uh, you know he would have. He would have tightened up the border
control, uh patrol, you know, off the border. I think people
still would have got through, butthe Biden administration opened the floodgates. Millions
have got through and unvetted. Iappreciate the calling we're up against it.
(38:20):
Some of valid point. He didn'tgive me much of a chance. But
well, I know, but I'mjust going to tell you that you are
making valid points that the economy wasgood. All he had to do was
stay off Twitter. It's really thatsimple. He had to stay Again,
people voted against Hillary, and theyvoted against Trump. If he had stayed
off Towner, he would have gotreallected. The proof is in the pudding
(38:43):
we got. We're gonna think he'sgoing to be king. If you just
stated his lady would have been fine. I gotta go, Thanks, Rick,
Uh time for a break in thenews. Coming up next, we're
going to continue to talk about thisbut here. On wbz's Nights
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