July 31, 2024 • 38 mins
We began the program by bringing you four news segments with different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
This hour, Deb Goldberg - Massachusetts Treasurer with an update on the lottery online.
Dr. Shira Doron on listerialysteria in deli meats.
Boston Globe columnist Emily Sweeny on her new column, Blotter Tales.
And, Brian Biro, author of "Lessons from the Legends: New Applications from the Timeless Wisdom of John Wooden and Pat Summitt"
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This hour, Deb Goldberg - Massachusetts Treasurer with an update on the lottery online.
Dr. Shira Doron on listerialysteria in deli meats.
Boston Globe columnist Emily Sweeny on her new column, Blotter Tales.
And, Brian Biro, author of "Lessons from the Legends: New Applications from the Timeless Wisdom of John Wooden and Pat Summitt"
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBSY, Boston's new radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You know, Nicole, what's amazing about some of these athletes,
particularly the women athletes. They maintain from Olympiad to Olympiad.
Such dominance, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
It is. I could not ever do anything that Katie
Ladeci does. I love watching her in the pool. Did
you see I think it was last night or earlier
today where she was a whole length ahead of everybody else. Like,
where do you get the energy for that?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I guess you'd practice a lot, I should.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hope, So I think I'll maybe pass on that, but
I like watching her.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I think I'm a little old for this. Oh come on, thanks,
all right, everybody, welcome on in. It's a nice hour
with Dan Ray. I am off at a big trip
later this week to Italy, so uh, I'm gonna visit
my last show for about a week and a half.
Fear not, fear not. I'll be back on August the
(00:58):
twelfth with all sorts of tales from Rome and the
Mouthea Coast. But put that aside because we have more
important things to talk about this hour. For very important things,
We're going to start off with the State Treasurer and
Receiver General of the Comwealth of Massachusetts, Deborah Goldberg, also
the chair of the Massachusetts State Lottery Commission, Adam Treasurer.
(01:19):
How are you tonight?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
How are you Dan?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I'm doing just great.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I think you would do great in the swimming competition,
or maybe you could do those uneven parallel bars.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, the pummeled horse or whatever it is
that looks like my Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Well, I certainly could get Stephen in from Worcester to
give you a lesson.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yes, I guess we could. I guess we could. That's
the guy that they say looks like Clark Kent. He
looks like Clark Kent, and he's like a superman. It's amazing.
I'm just saying that these athletes maintained themselves from Olympiad
to OLYMPIAD to Olympiad, which is which is not easy
as you grow older every four years, as you and
I have found out in our lives.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Oh, I'm I'm still running in the Olympics. It's just
the Massachusetts ones.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yes, well, the Massachusetts Lottery Olympics have done very well.
And I guess that you have a new revenue stream
if you will. Here we're going to get online lottery
sales here in the com Wealth of Massachusetts. What's going
on with that?
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Well, this on.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
The governors, as you know, signed the state budget and
an included language legalizing online lottery sales for Massachusetts. But candidly,
we're not even close to the first. Every state around
us already had online lottery sales, and we were actually
behind the curve because you know, you've got sports betting online,
(02:47):
you've got daily fantasy sports, you've got all sorts of things,
and you know, we we're not for profit business. We
are profit goes to the people of Massachusetts for the
kind of news that they have, and so this puts
us on a level playing field and it'll it'll take
(03:09):
a little while to get it up and running. But
now after quite a number of years of discussions about this,
we are now on our way.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, minus stadius are going to take about sixteen months,
so we're not talking about something that's going to be
available next week or even next month.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well, but in you know, given the complexities of I mean,
it isn't you just don't take a photo of a
of a mass State lottery ticket and then post it online.
This has an enormous amount of technology behind it. And
the good news is we won't be inventing the wheel. However,
we have. We really want to go through a competitive
(03:44):
process and make sure that we get the best deal
for the commonwealth. And you know me, so, you know
I always apply all of my business sense to things,
and so it'll be a process where we do rfrs
and RFIs and then RFPs and we will be looking
(04:06):
for the best deal for the commonwealth. But you know,
the Mass State lotteries profit margin is teeny the cost
of us running it for a business of that size
is very small, and over a billion dollars at this
time goes out to every local community, distributed to them
(04:27):
all over the state. That was the idea behind it,
and that's what we've continued to do for over fifty years.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Stayed true and predecessors. So explain to me how this works.
When you hear about online lottery, that means I don't
have to go down to my corner store to buy
my lottery tickets. I can buy them online.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Correct, Well, actually, online lottery has its own set of
games and then you can buy some other games online.
But there are also courier services. Now Jack Pocket, I
believe is one of them. I think I'm getting the
name correct, where you could not they are literally a
(05:09):
customer of the lotteries. But yes, in order to play
lot a lottery game, a mass state lottery game, you
will not have to go down to your corner store.
Although I'm putting my retailer cap on, I am hoping
that there will be all sorts of new reasons for
you to go down to your local retail store because
(05:31):
we will be doing in our online operation promotions that
you will not be able to resist, and in order
to help our retail partners and also you as a customer.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Okay, so come back if you could. The states that
have surrounded us, can Massachusetts residents currently go online? And
yes they can, so they can, they can. So so
we have people probably purchase No, I.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Don't play the lottery.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
No, No, you can't write I think you're probably illegal
for you to do that. I know, and I know
that you wouldn't. I got to be honest with that.
I'm not a big lottery guy either.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I hate to do well, maybe we can turn.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You into lot No, I get it. Well, I'm so
so what I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Saying is you know, the online lottery, and you know,
I want to thank both the government, you know, the governor,
the House, you know, Speaker Mariano and Center President Karen
Spilk of the Joint Ways and Means Committee because they
really took a thoughtful approach towards this. You can buy
a lottery ticket in a store when you're eighteen years old. However,
(06:38):
you cannot go online unless you're twenty one, and you
have to verify that, okay, and you you there's all
sorts of programs that will be built into the system.
What we work with, all sorts of gam you know,
gambling addiction, sure groups that have helped develop those, and
(07:03):
so we will be instituting all of those. And what's
really interesting and new about the online lottery is it's
going to be paying for critical childcare services, which have
become more and more desperately needed across the state. I
hear from everyone how difficult it is to find childcare,
(07:25):
how expensive it is to find childcare, and the online
lottery revenues will be dedicated to childcare services.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Okay, let me come back and just trying to understand
a couple of questions and if I'm throwing questions at
you that you don't have off the tip of your tongue.
We can do this again in a couple of weeks.
What I'm wondering is if Massachusetts residents are currently able
to play online in other states. There's no For example,
I know that you can from Massage. Well before Massachusetts
(07:56):
legalized sports betting, you have to physically go to New
Hampshire or wherever to betom football games. So he we're
actually hemorrhaging some money right now to other states. Do
we have any idea how much line money is going
out of state?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
We don't know because the other state lotteries, who are
delighted deal the number one lottery in the country customers
just drool and tease us when we were losing our customers.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
You have to.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Play within state borders online and although if you were
to go to try to go sign I mean, I've
been told that people have done practice play in the
New Hampshire Lottery, just testing it out that they were
(08:50):
they were close to the New Hampshire border and they
would just go across, you know, into Salem, and then
would play.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Okay, so okay, So the premise of my the premise
of my question is faulty because we're not hemorrhaging. People
might be driving to New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Or drive out the same in the same way. You
know about the you know, the competition on the state
liquor stores.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
That's absolutely okay. Now I get that. So okay. So
we're we are basically taking care of business here in Massachusetts,
and it's going to take maybe a year, maybe sixteen months,
but you'll get it up and running and people will
be able to do what they have to do. And
you know, I mean, it's a great way to raise
(09:35):
revenue because it's all voluntary. Nobody is doing it unless
they want the fun and the competition. I sometimes buy
a lottery ticket when there's like a five you know,
one hundred five billion, one hundred five million dollar jackpot
or something, as I figure, if I'm going to hit
it big, if you're going to hit it sometime, I
might as well hit it and hit it big. So far,
(09:55):
it hasn't worked. That strategy has not worked matter, but I.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I've met some of the people who it has worked for.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh, I'll tell you, I often want to I could
talk to you about this all night. So I'm not
going to do this, but I've often wondered if any
of the lotteries, and I would hope Massachusetts might offer
some counseling to these folks who all of a sudden
find themselves winning one of these humongous paid Well.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
It's very interesting you should say that, because although now
that number that has been exceeded on the power Ball.
Do you remember when we had the woman from Chickapee
who won the seven hundred and fifty seven million, and
she and her sisters came to the to the offices
that day, and one of the things I discussed with
(10:46):
them was financial education and counseling, and also setting up
some trusts and getting a good lawyer and that kind
of thing. And I have seen that happened in the
number of cases. Obviously, you can't force someone to do that,
(11:06):
but I I have to even tell you that. Do
you remember the the COVID vaccine lottery that went on
for a couple draws, No, I don't. It was it
was supported by the Got Got you know, Charlie Baker
at the time and others. And I met a couple
(11:28):
of the people who won, uh and they one of
them was a young lady from Lynn and that money
was going right towards her education. And another one was
someone who had been hard working for his whole career
and it was going to his family.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
So those are the stories.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I hear, an awful lot of good stories.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I'm going to have to schedule you again for some
more good stories because I have to make way for
another guest. I just so enjoyed talking with you. I
hope you.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I always enjoy talking to you too, and I always
enjoy it when we bump into each other. Oh, because
people were on the air. Well, no, but both Dan
and I love animals.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Zoo New England, that's what that's yeah. Uh in June,
I was feeding, I was feeding by my with my
he hands led us to giraffes. Was unbelievable, just really,
you know, just a really great, great experience with all
the folks at zun New England. Madam Treasure, I got
a screwed here.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
We will talk to the late to Italy.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I certainly will try my best. I will toast you
with at least one glass of wine.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Okay, alrighty, take good care, thanks very.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Much, the same Treasure, Calmwealth of Massachusetts back Olbert. Bye bye, Den.
We'll be back and we're going to talk about a
subject that is probably not a really fun subject, and
that is what is listeria? With doctor Shira Doron of
the tough SMET and she's the Chief Infection Control Officer
for Tough's Medicine and hospital Epidemiologists at the Tofts Medical Center.
(13:07):
Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Nightside Studios on wb Z the news radio.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
We have heard a lot in the last couple of
days about listeria with us is doctor Shiwo Derne, doctor Drone,
Welcome back to Nightside, Thanks for being available. What the
heck is listeria? How serious is this and what should
people be looking out for? We're talking about a product
boy's head, that's the delicatest and meat that I always
(13:42):
look for when l out to buy any form of
deli meat from my family. How concerned should I be?
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Yeah, Listeria is a bacterial infection and it can contaminate foods.
Every year in the United States that we see about
sixteen hundred listeria and about two hundred and six deaths.
This current outbreak that's associated with the bores head liver
Worth specifically has made about thirty has made thirty four
(14:10):
people sick, and there have been two deaths and the
illnesses have been found in thirteen states.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
WHOA, So you don't have to worry about I've heard
that some of the delicatessens have you know, cleaned thoroughly
their delic cases. So this listeria was only with one
meat product. There was no danger of it jumping from
you know, from that to Turkey or to ham or
(14:39):
something like that.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Yeah, I mean there is some danger. So you know,
when when we find cases of listeria, we immediately notified
public health authorities, and so our health authorities jumped into
action and they do an investigation, and what they found
was a link between these particular cases and the consumption
of liver Worst and they actually you know, tested the
(15:02):
liver Worst from boar's head and from the shelves as well,
and they found that it was contaminated. And so what
Borshead has announced is that out of an abundance of caution,
we know that word well from activities, they recalled everything
that they make in that plant because you know, the
equipment itself can become contaminated and then it can contaminate
(15:25):
other products. And they then also asked the grocery stores
and delis to remove all of the boor's head products
that they had UH and in many cases they also
you know, threw out anything else that they had in
those cases and that have been used you know, on
those same machines and you know, re placers basically in
(15:47):
the delis UH and did a deep clean, which is
pretty easy to do. Pretty much any disinfectant will kill listeria.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
So I don't know much about listeria, and I understand
what a bacteria is, but how frequent are these outbreaks?
If you if you can tell me, and where did
this emanate from? I mean, we've had all these questions
about where's where's the avian flew from, and where's this
and where did COVID come from? Do we know where
(16:15):
real lysteria comes from?
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (16:18):
That you know. The deli meats are particularly susceptible because
of the way multiple sources of meat are handled kind
of at the same time. If you think about liver
worth in particular, it can be from multiple animals at
the same time, and there's you know, it's it can
be easy to get contaminated from often from animals, feces,
(16:41):
from manure, from soil that has bacteria in it, and
so you know, for a long time now, pregnant women
have been advised not to eat Deli meat unless you
cook that Deli meat to over one hundred and sixty
five degrees or steaming hot. Anything that you cook to
steaming hot, you've eliminated or you've killed the listeria. So
(17:02):
that's a safe way to eat Delli meat if you
are high risk for a listeria and the high risk
categories are pregnant women, people who are over sixty five,
and people with compromised immune systems. But I feel pretty confident,
although these types of recalls can sometimes expand, but now
that Borshead has closed their entire plant, I feel pretty
(17:25):
confident that we should not be seeing any new product
get into the supply gain. The important thing now is
for people to eliminate it from their own refrigerators.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Is it just one one plant that we're talking about here,
or is it just Yeah, I assume boys Head has
more than what it's a huge company.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
Yes, right, yeah, they traced it to this one plant
in Maryland. You know, again, sometimes these recalls do expand,
and they've already expanded to every product in that plant.
But I feel pretty confident that we've got a handle
on it from what the CC has reported at this time.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Thank you so much. You You're a great interview for
a whole bunch of reasons, but the clarity with which
you explain things is is fabulous. So I just want
to thank you. Thank you Drone, who we've had on
this show many times, and I look forward to having
her with us many times in the future. Thanks so much, doctor.
I have a great night. When we get back, right
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after the news, we're going to talk with Boston Globe
columnist Emily Sweeney. I love Emily. She is so funny,
and she has a new feature that features I guess
it's called oddball stories. I've never heard of even ball stories,
but oddball stories called blater tales, blatter as in police
blatter or ink blater, blottered tales. She'll explain on the
(18:49):
Other side of the News at the bottom of the
hour on w BZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, I'm sure all of us read the Boston Globe
for different things. I know, I love the sports page
on the Boston Globe, but I'm looking forward to a
new section that's coming out called blater Tales with my
friend columnist Emily Sweeney. Emily, I'm guessing that you came
up with this idea of blater Tales.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I can't say credit for that. Yeah, it was definitely
a team effort at the Globe, a bunch of people,
and I believe Doug Most Actually it was years ago
when he was there. He was one of the folks
who I know, do Yes, I.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Did that guy.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Yeah, so long?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
How long has bladder Tale has been running?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Gosh, it's been over a decade now. And it's funny
because I get a lot of emails every week from people,
and I think a lot of folks they know to
look for it, you know what I mean. It comes
out every Sunday in the Metro section of the paper,
and yeah, there's a there's a loyal readership, and you know,
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there's this weird it's just crazy what police and fire
departments deal with every week on a regular basis.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Just a couple.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Strange recent ones that you've come up to. Because I
know how you love animals.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
Uh oh yeah, uh and uh, I got one I
want to ask you about here, but but give me,
give me one that did you like, and then I'm
going to ask you about one that I have.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Go ahead, okay, yeah, sure?
Speaker 5 (20:35):
So I mean one recent one, uh, an exotic bird
escaped from its home uh in Milford, mass And you know,
the owners were looking for it, posting on Facebook and everything,
and it turned The bird turned up and rent them.
The owners told, you know, through social media and working
(20:57):
with animal control offices, they got the word up. The
bird was named Thor, and he liked the song, you know,
the song tequila.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Oh yeah, sure, yeah that would make would that make
Thors sore?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Yes? Or Thor will come to that song? And sure
enough a residence spotted Thor in his neighborhood. He started
whistling the tune and Thor flew right into his house.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
And you sure it was the tune or not an
open bottle of tequila?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Right? You know?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
It may have been both. I'm not sure. Okay, I
didn't hear otherwise, so it's probably just the guy's whistling.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
But uh, okay, So I got one here, yea that
I that I wanted to ask about. I've just lost
it here for Oh yeah, Spider Man is arrested for
disorderly conduct. Uh, I mean, how old was this Spider Man?
Mostly most people who I see wearing Spaman costumes are
(22:01):
kind of in the six, seven, eight to nine years
of age rage.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
You know, I get to say same same that that's uh,
this was a different circumstance though, Right, so we're talking.
This is near the Boston Garden and you know, the
Celtics just won the championship and their enthusiastic sand dressed
up as Spider Man was kind of kind of started
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taunting police and twerking and dancing around police.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I'm sorry I missed that. Go ahead not.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Yeah, I wish I had been there. I wish I
could have found, you know, video of this, But I
did get a copy of the police report just kind
of describing Spider Man's antics, and you know what happened
was police made the call that like, you know, the
you know, the guy dress as Spider Man was kind
of getting the crowd riled up and trying to like
get them to like go through like barriers and stuff
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and places where they couldn't go. So yeah, well that.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Should definitely that should have been a tip off that
it was a Spider Man impostor, because you and I
both know that the actual Spider Man would never do something,
you know, that inappropriate. I'm not talking about you know, talking.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
About well, you know, I guess he had some moves,
you know what I mean. So he was arrested for
disorderly conduct, you know, and yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Do we have any idea how old this We don't
have to name him by name, but I'm assuming he
was beyond the range of six, seven, eight or nine
since he's described as a man thirty.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Two years old. Thirty two years old.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
His mom must be so proud of him.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Man, you know, definitely creative, you know what I mean. Yeah,
so that that was that was outside of the TV
guy and that that arrest happened. But that's a that's
a great example to Dan, and I'm glad you brought
it up because like that's the exact like kind of
like slice the life kind of quirky stories that I
include every week in the column. You know.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The other one which I got to ask about is
the cat which was stuck in a tree, fell seventy
feet that's longer than a pitching mountains. Yeah, that's sixty
feet five inches six inches seventy feet made the cat
landed on its feet or made a safe.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Land so basically made a safe landing. What happened was
this cat was stuck in the tree and witnesses said that,
you know, he was up there for a really long time.
The cat's name, by the way, was mister Storm. Is
mister Storms.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I was afraid it was going to be Spider Man.
Oh thank god, mister Storm.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
So mister Storm. This was in Webb the kind of
webste and mister Storm was stuck in the tree. A
local tree like landscaping company came and tried to like
get him. He just kept them going up and up
and up the tall tree. Ended up jumping to another
tall tree again, just you know, staying right out of
the way of rescuers. Firefighters put up the ladder, tried
(25:06):
to get them.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
No luck.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
So then the folks at the bottom of the tree
they had a tap like a safety net, you know,
and they stretched that out because they were afraid that
the cat might fall or jump. And guess what, the
cat did a leap, and thank god they had this
huge tap. The cat landed in the tap. And then
just took off like running, made a safe.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Landing and a safe getaway.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Well a getaway but short lived because he was found
and brought back to his home. He made it home
safe and sound. Yeah, yeah, but seventy feet leap, you know.
But again it just shows you, like how all these
different agencies kind of got together. You know, you have
animal control off, so you got police, you got firefighters.
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Everybody's just working together, you know, to get the cat
down safely.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And I think the cat apparently there was a cat psychologist.
I believe the follow up story which you missed, the
cat thought he was he or she was a squirrel.
You know how squirrels can leave the branches. And then
you talk about some squirrel. This is such a cute picture.
A little squirrel, which can be nasty when confronted. By
(26:22):
the way this little squirrel was freed. It had its
head caught somehow and it couldn't ye strike its head.
What time was that?
Speaker 5 (26:33):
So that one was, Oh, that the squirrel in the dumpster? Yeah,
that was that was a tough one. That was like
one of my recent columns, it was it's wild to
see like so you know, at the bottom of a dumpster.
This is a Webster.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
This is a Webster story too. By the way, I think, no,
that's the squirrel. We sorry, oh yes it is. I look, yeah,
let me tell you.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
The squirrel. So this was another kind of bizarre rescue
of an animal. But yeah, this poor little squirrel put
his head in the drain the troll of the dumpster,
you know, probably to get some food in the out
of there, and it couldn't get out. And so what
happened was they called firefighters and you know, the a
CEO was on scene, and they actually used tools to
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cut out a corner of the dumpster and they were
able to you know, cut away, you know, slowly, but surely,
and the squirrel was freed and actually made a you know,
stayed The a CEO kept an eye on it overnight
and said, you know, it was acting very squirrel like,
you know, yelling o her and stuff and and uh
(27:45):
seemed very healthy. And she released it the next day
and it took off up a tree.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
So maybe that's where the cat learned some of the
squirrel moves. I didn't realize that both in the town
of Webster. But it also tales. I love it.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yes, yeah, I mean every day, strange stuff happens, you
know what I mean, And that's what I just try
to capture, you know, some of those moments every week.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
A great sense for Emily. You do a great job
and I'm always looking for this. So this is every
Sunday in the Globe.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Every Sunday in the Globe. Yeah, it's in the Metro
section and yeah, yeah, please check it out.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
After after I get rid of get you know, to
get rid of after I finished reading Sean See and
Kevin DuPont and everybody in the sports page, I'm going
right to Blatertale.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yes, that's what I like to hear.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Thank you, Emily, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
We'll talk soon.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Okay, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
My pleasure. Thanks so much for being here. Will we
get back. We're going to talk with an author. His
name is Brian Biro. I hope it's pronounced correctly, and
he's written a book which I think you're going to
be interested in. Uh. It's a it's a book dealing
with lessons from the legends, new applications from the timeless
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wisdom of John Wuden and Pat Summit. If you don't
know who John Mouten and Pat Summitt are you're not
a college basketball fan. We will explain it all on
the other side of this very quick break on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Joining us. That is Brian Biro. I'm hoping I'm pronouncing
that last name correctly. Am I close?
Speaker 6 (29:31):
You did Brian Biro's bio correctly? Way to god.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I like that. That's I can remember that, Brian Biro's bio. Okay.
So you have a couple of degrees from a couple
of pretty good schools, Stanford and UCLA. Okay, and you've
written a book, Lessons from the Legends, and this talking
about two basketball legends. College basketball legends John Wudin of UCLA,
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who lived to the age of almost made a hundred
it or not in Pat Summit University of Tennessee, arguably
the greatest college men's and women's basketball coaches in the
history of the game. You won't disagree with me on that,
I hope.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Not a bit. They were both phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, So how did you come to this subject? What
drew you to them? And tell us about the book?
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Yeah, you know, I wanted to write a book about character. Again,
I believe that we need to focus on character. Coach
would and would often say, you know, you're be more
concerned with your character than your reputation, because your characters
who you are. Your reputation only what others think you are.
And I grew up in southern California had a great
admiration for John Whitten. He actually became my friend. He
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wrote the forward to my very first book, which was
called Beyond Success. But I never got the chance to
meet Pat Summit, but I always admired her. And what
really really intrigued me and was they're different in style,
but their similarity and character. Both of them were very humble.
By that, I mean, you know, some people think being
humbled means that you're not competent. Not true. He can
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be very humble and very competent because being humble doesn't
mean you think less of yourself. It means you think
of yourself less. But the key to being why being
humble is such a valuable thing in our world today,
Only those are humble our lifelong learners. Because only those
are humble are always looking to get better. And they
both live that so much. And I think most of
all I had My first career out of graduating from
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the Stanford was I was a US swimming coach. So
I'm loving the Olympics happening right now. But I always
realize that we don't coach swimming or basketball first, we
coach people. It's helping people break through those fears, helping people,
you know, develop their faith in themselves, develop the team spirit.
So I wanted to take two people who are very
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different in style. You know, coach coach Summit could melt
steel with Stare. She was tough one of her favorite statements,
A tough enough buttercup and John Wooden was the ultimate gentleman.
But in their in their passion for building people, their
passion for being humble, their passion for work ethic, their
passion for really trying to make everyone around them better,
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they both believe, you know, it's amazing what's accomplished when
nobody cares who gets the credit. They gave credit, took responsibility.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So that was also great as well. Winning Winning is
not you know, I think I forget who it was
that winning is and everything. It's the only thing that
might have been Lombardi if I'm not mistaken that and
it's a different style obviously, but these these two very
successful you know, college basketball coaches, you you have very
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uh you talk about character versus reputation, and that's a
very interesting point of view. If you, if you do
have good character, I think general, your reputation is going
to follow. In my opinion, there may be people who
who have a great reputation, but in fact their their
character is you know, it doesn't back up the reputation.
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I guess it can go one way. Character reputation. But
there's a couple of other phrases here which which struck me,
and that is balancing passion and calmness. It's tough to
be both. I mean, if you're really passionate about whether
it's your work or or even for that matter, of
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your golf game, it's it's tough to be passionate and
when things don't go well to remain calm. What did
what did you learn from them about that ability?
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Well? I think both of them understood that the key
to handling that having passion and staying cool under pressure
is to focus on controlling your controllables. It's when we
try to control the things we don't control that we
really start to lose it. That we start to get impatient, angry, frustrated.
And both of them, though they love to win. This
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is the most remarkable thing that you'll ever hear about
John Wooden. In twenty seven years of coaching UCLA, he
never said the words winning or losing to his players. Now,
for those who don't know, listen to your show. Was
he won ten national championships, so he loved to win,
but what he wanted to focus on was look at
the things you control. Your effort, your energy, your attitude.
You're learning your attitude. And Coach somewhat was the same.
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She intensely wanted to win, but she didn't look at
the score as necessarily the determination of whether you really
deserve to be praised or not. It was really what
you put in the things you control. And I think
that's the secret for anybody, whether it's in business, whether
it's in parenting. When we focus on the things we
do control our effort, our energy, our presence, our focus,
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we feel momentum, we feel like we can rather than
we can. And I think that's another real important thing
that they really truly truly exemplified.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Well. Both of them obviously also had good players. John
Wooden had had Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Bill Walton, Gail Goodrich.
There are a lot of great players that that developed
under him. That's that's all. The always the chicken and
egg story. Does the coach make the player or do
the players make the coach? What's your thought on that?
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Well, you know, if you look at John witten, I,
you know, we we remember that he coached Bill Walton,
and he coached and he he coached Kareema, Bill Jabbar
when he was lu Al Sinder. But he won with
every conceivable kind of team. His first two teams had
no starter over six foot four and a half. Then
he won, of course with the big centers and the
great players that he had, and then his last three
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championship teams were forward dominated. So he he understood that,
you know, he didn't try to coach everyone the same way.
He looked for the strengths and brought him out, and
so did coach Summit. They they could. They really focused
on looking at who they had, and they really believe
that both of them that the difference between being good
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and great. Coach wouldn't said this often really came down
to the difference between being willing and being eager. You know,
when you're willing, Yeah, you'll do it, but it's kind
of like, you know, willing is kind of like our
teenagers cleaning their room. Yeah they'll do it because they
want to eat, right. But eager is I can't wait.
I got to get out there. I want I just
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can't wait to do it. That kind of spirit he felt,
you know, that talent. He used to say there are
no overachievers, And what he meant by that is we
have more in this than we know, and a coach's
job is to try to bring the best out of
what we have.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Boy, a lot of great lessons. The book has been
available for a while, but it's Lessons from the When
did it come out? This is not something they came
out yesterday, I so home.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
No, it just came out at the end of last year.
I was really excited to kind of hit number one
as a new release and know it was a joy
to write because I feel like, more than ever, I
like to see our all of us start to remember
to move from ego to weigo And that's.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
The mindset phrase. So Lessons from the Legends, New Applications
from the Timeless Wisdom of John Wooden and pat Summit
available everywhere. Brian biro As in bio, thank you very much.
I enjoyed, I enjoyed the passion you brought to this conversation.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Thank you, Dan. I really appreciate your having me on
and thank you for all you do. And wish your
great joy happy August.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
It's right around the corner. It's about four hours hours,
three hours away now I wish it was Memorial Day.
Thanks a bunch bride. When we get back, we have
some subjects to talk about tonight, Secret Service being grilled
by senators. But I also am going to get to
a late ad that we did not promote today, and
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that is just the dumbst statements that Donald Trump continues
continues to make. He almost wonder does he want to
be president or not. We'll get to art of I promise,
as well as what's going on in the Middle East.
We have a jam pack three hours coming up right
after nine o'clock news
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBSY, Boston's new radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
You know, Nicole, what's amazing about some of these athletes,
particularly the women athletes. They maintain from Olympiad to Olympiad.
Such dominance, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
It is. I could not ever do anything that Katie
Ladeci does. I love watching her in the pool. Did
you see I think it was last night or earlier
today where she was a whole length ahead of everybody else. Like,
where do you get the energy for that?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I guess you'd practice a lot, I should.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hope, So I think I'll maybe pass on that, but
I like watching her.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I think I'm a little old for this. Oh come on, thanks,
all right, everybody, welcome on in. It's a nice hour
with Dan Ray. I am off at a big trip
later this week to Italy, so uh, I'm gonna visit
my last show for about a week and a half.
Fear not, fear not. I'll be back on August the
(00:58):
twelfth with all sorts of tales from Rome and the
Mouthea Coast. But put that aside because we have more
important things to talk about this hour. For very important things,
We're going to start off with the State Treasurer and
Receiver General of the Comwealth of Massachusetts, Deborah Goldberg, also
the chair of the Massachusetts State Lottery Commission, Adam Treasurer.
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How are you tonight?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
How are you Dan?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I'm doing just great.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I think you would do great in the swimming competition,
or maybe you could do those uneven parallel bars.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, the pummeled horse or whatever it is
that looks like my Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Well, I certainly could get Stephen in from Worcester to
give you a lesson.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yes, I guess we could. I guess we could. That's
the guy that they say looks like Clark Kent. He
looks like Clark Kent, and he's like a superman. It's amazing.
I'm just saying that these athletes maintained themselves from Olympiad
to OLYMPIAD to Olympiad, which is which is not easy
as you grow older every four years, as you and
I have found out in our lives.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Oh, I'm I'm still running in the Olympics. It's just
the Massachusetts ones.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yes, well, the Massachusetts Lottery Olympics have done very well.
And I guess that you have a new revenue stream
if you will. Here we're going to get online lottery
sales here in the com Wealth of Massachusetts. What's going
on with that?
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Well, this on.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
The governors, as you know, signed the state budget and
an included language legalizing online lottery sales for Massachusetts. But candidly,
we're not even close to the first. Every state around
us already had online lottery sales, and we were actually
behind the curve because you know, you've got sports betting online,
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you've got daily fantasy sports, you've got all sorts of things,
and you know, we we're not for profit business. We
are profit goes to the people of Massachusetts for the
kind of news that they have, and so this puts
us on a level playing field and it'll it'll take
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a little while to get it up and running. But
now after quite a number of years of discussions about this,
we are now on our way.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, minus stadius are going to take about sixteen months,
so we're not talking about something that's going to be
available next week or even next month.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well, but in you know, given the complexities of I mean,
it isn't you just don't take a photo of a
of a mass State lottery ticket and then post it online.
This has an enormous amount of technology behind it. And
the good news is we won't be inventing the wheel. However,
we have. We really want to go through a competitive
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process and make sure that we get the best deal
for the commonwealth. And you know me, so, you know
I always apply all of my business sense to things,
and so it'll be a process where we do rfrs
and RFIs and then RFPs and we will be looking
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for the best deal for the commonwealth. But you know,
the Mass State lotteries profit margin is teeny the cost
of us running it for a business of that size
is very small, and over a billion dollars at this
time goes out to every local community, distributed to them
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all over the state. That was the idea behind it,
and that's what we've continued to do for over fifty years.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Stayed true and predecessors. So explain to me how this works.
When you hear about online lottery, that means I don't
have to go down to my corner store to buy
my lottery tickets. I can buy them online.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Correct, Well, actually, online lottery has its own set of
games and then you can buy some other games online.
But there are also courier services. Now Jack Pocket, I
believe is one of them. I think I'm getting the
name correct, where you could not they are literally a
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customer of the lotteries. But yes, in order to play
lot a lottery game, a mass state lottery game, you
will not have to go down to your corner store.
Although I'm putting my retailer cap on, I am hoping
that there will be all sorts of new reasons for
you to go down to your local retail store because
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we will be doing in our online operation promotions that
you will not be able to resist, and in order
to help our retail partners and also you as a customer.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Okay, so come back if you could. The states that
have surrounded us, can Massachusetts residents currently go online? And
yes they can, so they can, they can. So so
we have people probably purchase No, I.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Don't play the lottery.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
No, No, you can't write I think you're probably illegal
for you to do that. I know, and I know
that you wouldn't. I got to be honest with that.
I'm not a big lottery guy either.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I hate to do well, maybe we can turn.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You into lot No, I get it. Well, I'm so
so what I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Saying is you know, the online lottery, and you know,
I want to thank both the government, you know, the governor,
the House, you know, Speaker Mariano and Center President Karen
Spilk of the Joint Ways and Means Committee because they
really took a thoughtful approach towards this. You can buy
a lottery ticket in a store when you're eighteen years old. However,
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you cannot go online unless you're twenty one, and you
have to verify that, okay, and you you there's all
sorts of programs that will be built into the system.
What we work with, all sorts of gam you know,
gambling addiction, sure groups that have helped develop those, and
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so we will be instituting all of those. And what's
really interesting and new about the online lottery is it's
going to be paying for critical childcare services, which have
become more and more desperately needed across the state. I
hear from everyone how difficult it is to find childcare,
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how expensive it is to find childcare, and the online
lottery revenues will be dedicated to childcare services.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Okay, let me come back and just trying to understand
a couple of questions and if I'm throwing questions at
you that you don't have off the tip of your tongue.
We can do this again in a couple of weeks.
What I'm wondering is if Massachusetts residents are currently able
to play online in other states. There's no For example,
I know that you can from Massage. Well before Massachusetts
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legalized sports betting, you have to physically go to New
Hampshire or wherever to betom football games. So he we're
actually hemorrhaging some money right now to other states. Do
we have any idea how much line money is going
out of state?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
We don't know because the other state lotteries, who are
delighted deal the number one lottery in the country customers
just drool and tease us when we were losing our customers.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
You have to.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Play within state borders online and although if you were
to go to try to go sign I mean, I've
been told that people have done practice play in the
New Hampshire Lottery, just testing it out that they were
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they were close to the New Hampshire border and they
would just go across, you know, into Salem, and then
would play.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Okay, so okay, So the premise of my the premise
of my question is faulty because we're not hemorrhaging. People
might be driving to New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Or drive out the same in the same way. You
know about the you know, the competition on the state
liquor stores.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
That's absolutely okay. Now I get that. So okay. So
we're we are basically taking care of business here in Massachusetts,
and it's going to take maybe a year, maybe sixteen months,
but you'll get it up and running and people will
be able to do what they have to do. And
you know, I mean, it's a great way to raise
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revenue because it's all voluntary. Nobody is doing it unless
they want the fun and the competition. I sometimes buy
a lottery ticket when there's like a five you know,
one hundred five billion, one hundred five million dollar jackpot
or something, as I figure, if I'm going to hit
it big, if you're going to hit it sometime, I
might as well hit it and hit it big. So far,
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it hasn't worked. That strategy has not worked matter, but I.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I've met some of the people who it has worked for.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh, I'll tell you, I often want to I could
talk to you about this all night. So I'm not
going to do this, but I've often wondered if any
of the lotteries, and I would hope Massachusetts might offer
some counseling to these folks who all of a sudden
find themselves winning one of these humongous paid Well.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
It's very interesting you should say that, because although now
that number that has been exceeded on the power Ball.
Do you remember when we had the woman from Chickapee
who won the seven hundred and fifty seven million, and
she and her sisters came to the to the offices
that day, and one of the things I discussed with
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them was financial education and counseling, and also setting up
some trusts and getting a good lawyer and that kind
of thing. And I have seen that happened in the
number of cases. Obviously, you can't force someone to do that,
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but I I have to even tell you that. Do
you remember the the COVID vaccine lottery that went on
for a couple draws, No, I don't. It was it
was supported by the Got Got you know, Charlie Baker
at the time and others. And I met a couple
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of the people who won, uh and they one of
them was a young lady from Lynn and that money
was going right towards her education. And another one was
someone who had been hard working for his whole career
and it was going to his family.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
So those are the stories.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I hear, an awful lot of good stories.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I'm going to have to schedule you again for some
more good stories because I have to make way for
another guest. I just so enjoyed talking with you. I
hope you.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I always enjoy talking to you too, and I always
enjoy it when we bump into each other. Oh, because
people were on the air. Well, no, but both Dan
and I love animals.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Zoo New England, that's what that's yeah. Uh in June,
I was feeding, I was feeding by my with my
he hands led us to giraffes. Was unbelievable, just really,
you know, just a really great, great experience with all
the folks at zun New England. Madam Treasure, I got
a screwed here.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
We will talk to the late to Italy.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I certainly will try my best. I will toast you
with at least one glass of wine.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Okay, alrighty, take good care, thanks very.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Much, the same Treasure, Calmwealth of Massachusetts back Olbert. Bye bye, Den.
We'll be back and we're going to talk about a
subject that is probably not a really fun subject, and
that is what is listeria? With doctor Shira Doron of
the tough SMET and she's the Chief Infection Control Officer
for Tough's Medicine and hospital Epidemiologists at the Tofts Medical Center.
(13:07):
Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Nightside Studios on wb Z the news radio.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
We have heard a lot in the last couple of
days about listeria with us is doctor Shiwo Derne, doctor Drone,
Welcome back to Nightside, Thanks for being available. What the
heck is listeria? How serious is this and what should
people be looking out for? We're talking about a product
boy's head, that's the delicatest and meat that I always
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look for when l out to buy any form of
deli meat from my family. How concerned should I be?
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Yeah, Listeria is a bacterial infection and it can contaminate foods.
Every year in the United States that we see about
sixteen hundred listeria and about two hundred and six deaths.
This current outbreak that's associated with the bores head liver
Worth specifically has made about thirty has made thirty four
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people sick, and there have been two deaths and the
illnesses have been found in thirteen states.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
WHOA, So you don't have to worry about I've heard
that some of the delicatessens have you know, cleaned thoroughly
their delic cases. So this listeria was only with one
meat product. There was no danger of it jumping from
you know, from that to Turkey or to ham or
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something like that.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Yeah, I mean there is some danger. So you know,
when when we find cases of listeria, we immediately notified
public health authorities, and so our health authorities jumped into
action and they do an investigation, and what they found
was a link between these particular cases and the consumption
of liver Worst and they actually you know, tested the
(15:02):
liver Worst from boar's head and from the shelves as well,
and they found that it was contaminated. And so what
Borshead has announced is that out of an abundance of caution,
we know that word well from activities, they recalled everything
that they make in that plant because you know, the
equipment itself can become contaminated and then it can contaminate
(15:25):
other products. And they then also asked the grocery stores
and delis to remove all of the boor's head products
that they had UH and in many cases they also
you know, threw out anything else that they had in
those cases and that have been used you know, on
those same machines and you know, re placers basically in
(15:47):
the delis UH and did a deep clean, which is
pretty easy to do. Pretty much any disinfectant will kill listeria.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
So I don't know much about listeria, and I understand
what a bacteria is, but how frequent are these outbreaks?
If you if you can tell me, and where did
this emanate from? I mean, we've had all these questions
about where's where's the avian flew from, and where's this
and where did COVID come from? Do we know where
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real lysteria comes from?
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (16:18):
That you know. The deli meats are particularly susceptible because
of the way multiple sources of meat are handled kind
of at the same time. If you think about liver
worth in particular, it can be from multiple animals at
the same time, and there's you know, it's it can
be easy to get contaminated from often from animals, feces,
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from manure, from soil that has bacteria in it, and
so you know, for a long time now, pregnant women
have been advised not to eat Deli meat unless you
cook that Deli meat to over one hundred and sixty
five degrees or steaming hot. Anything that you cook to
steaming hot, you've eliminated or you've killed the listeria. So
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that's a safe way to eat Delli meat if you
are high risk for a listeria and the high risk
categories are pregnant women, people who are over sixty five,
and people with compromised immune systems. But I feel pretty confident,
although these types of recalls can sometimes expand, but now
that Borshead has closed their entire plant, I feel pretty
(17:25):
confident that we should not be seeing any new product
get into the supply gain. The important thing now is
for people to eliminate it from their own refrigerators.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Is it just one one plant that we're talking about here,
or is it just Yeah, I assume boys Head has
more than what it's a huge company.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
Yes, right, yeah, they traced it to this one plant
in Maryland. You know, again, sometimes these recalls do expand,
and they've already expanded to every product in that plant.
But I feel pretty confident that we've got a handle
on it from what the CC has reported at this time.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Thank you so much. You You're a great interview for
a whole bunch of reasons, but the clarity with which
you explain things is is fabulous. So I just want
to thank you. Thank you Drone, who we've had on
this show many times, and I look forward to having
her with us many times in the future. Thanks so much, doctor.
I have a great night. When we get back, right
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after the news, we're going to talk with Boston Globe
columnist Emily Sweeney. I love Emily. She is so funny,
and she has a new feature that features I guess
it's called oddball stories. I've never heard of even ball stories,
but oddball stories called blater tales, blatter as in police
blatter or ink blater, blottered tales. She'll explain on the
(18:49):
Other side of the News at the bottom of the
hour on w BZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, I'm sure all of us read the Boston Globe
for different things. I know, I love the sports page
on the Boston Globe, but I'm looking forward to a
new section that's coming out called blater Tales with my
friend columnist Emily Sweeney. Emily, I'm guessing that you came
up with this idea of blater Tales.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I can't say credit for that. Yeah, it was definitely
a team effort at the Globe, a bunch of people,
and I believe Doug Most Actually it was years ago
when he was there. He was one of the folks
who I know, do Yes, I.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Did that guy.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Yeah, so long?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
How long has bladder Tale has been running?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Gosh, it's been over a decade now. And it's funny
because I get a lot of emails every week from people,
and I think a lot of folks they know to
look for it, you know what I mean. It comes
out every Sunday in the Metro section of the paper,
and yeah, there's a there's a loyal readership, and you know,
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there's this weird it's just crazy what police and fire
departments deal with every week on a regular basis.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Just a couple.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Strange recent ones that you've come up to. Because I
know how you love animals.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
Uh oh yeah, uh and uh, I got one I
want to ask you about here, but but give me,
give me one that did you like, and then I'm
going to ask you about one that I have.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Go ahead, okay, yeah, sure?
Speaker 5 (20:35):
So I mean one recent one, uh, an exotic bird
escaped from its home uh in Milford, mass And you know,
the owners were looking for it, posting on Facebook and everything,
and it turned The bird turned up and rent them.
The owners told, you know, through social media and working
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with animal control offices, they got the word up. The
bird was named Thor, and he liked the song, you know,
the song tequila.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Oh yeah, sure, yeah that would make would that make
Thors sore?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Yes? Or Thor will come to that song? And sure
enough a residence spotted Thor in his neighborhood. He started
whistling the tune and Thor flew right into his house.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
And you sure it was the tune or not an
open bottle of tequila?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
Right? You know?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
It may have been both. I'm not sure. Okay, I
didn't hear otherwise, so it's probably just the guy's whistling.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
But uh, okay, So I got one here, yea that
I that I wanted to ask about. I've just lost
it here for Oh yeah, Spider Man is arrested for
disorderly conduct. Uh, I mean, how old was this Spider Man?
Mostly most people who I see wearing Spaman costumes are
(22:01):
kind of in the six, seven, eight to nine years
of age rage.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
You know, I get to say same same that that's uh,
this was a different circumstance though, Right, so we're talking.
This is near the Boston Garden and you know, the
Celtics just won the championship and their enthusiastic sand dressed
up as Spider Man was kind of kind of started
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taunting police and twerking and dancing around police.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I'm sorry I missed that. Go ahead not.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Yeah, I wish I had been there. I wish I
could have found, you know, video of this, But I
did get a copy of the police report just kind
of describing Spider Man's antics, and you know what happened
was police made the call that like, you know, the
you know, the guy dress as Spider Man was kind
of getting the crowd riled up and trying to like
get them to like go through like barriers and stuff
(22:58):
and places where they couldn't go. So yeah, well that.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Should definitely that should have been a tip off that
it was a Spider Man impostor, because you and I
both know that the actual Spider Man would never do something,
you know, that inappropriate. I'm not talking about you know, talking.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
About well, you know, I guess he had some moves,
you know what I mean. So he was arrested for
disorderly conduct, you know, and yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Do we have any idea how old this We don't
have to name him by name, but I'm assuming he
was beyond the range of six, seven, eight or nine
since he's described as a man thirty.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Two years old. Thirty two years old.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
His mom must be so proud of him.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Man, you know, definitely creative, you know what I mean. Yeah,
so that that was that was outside of the TV
guy and that that arrest happened. But that's a that's
a great example to Dan, and I'm glad you brought
it up because like that's the exact like kind of
like slice the life kind of quirky stories that I
include every week in the column. You know.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The other one which I got to ask about is
the cat which was stuck in a tree, fell seventy
feet that's longer than a pitching mountains. Yeah, that's sixty
feet five inches six inches seventy feet made the cat
landed on its feet or made a safe.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Land so basically made a safe landing. What happened was
this cat was stuck in the tree and witnesses said that,
you know, he was up there for a really long time.
The cat's name, by the way, was mister Storm. Is
mister Storms.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I was afraid it was going to be Spider Man.
Oh thank god, mister Storm.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
So mister Storm. This was in Webb the kind of
webste and mister Storm was stuck in the tree. A
local tree like landscaping company came and tried to like
get him. He just kept them going up and up
and up the tall tree. Ended up jumping to another
tall tree again, just you know, staying right out of
the way of rescuers. Firefighters put up the ladder, tried
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to get them.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
No luck.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
So then the folks at the bottom of the tree
they had a tap like a safety net, you know,
and they stretched that out because they were afraid that
the cat might fall or jump. And guess what, the
cat did a leap, and thank god they had this
huge tap. The cat landed in the tap. And then
just took off like running, made a safe.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Landing and a safe getaway.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Well a getaway but short lived because he was found
and brought back to his home. He made it home
safe and sound. Yeah, yeah, but seventy feet leap, you know.
But again it just shows you, like how all these
different agencies kind of got together. You know, you have
animal control off, so you got police, you got firefighters.
(25:57):
Everybody's just working together, you know, to get the cat
down safely.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And I think the cat apparently there was a cat psychologist.
I believe the follow up story which you missed, the
cat thought he was he or she was a squirrel.
You know how squirrels can leave the branches. And then
you talk about some squirrel. This is such a cute picture.
A little squirrel, which can be nasty when confronted. By
(26:22):
the way this little squirrel was freed. It had its
head caught somehow and it couldn't ye strike its head.
What time was that?
Speaker 5 (26:33):
So that one was, Oh, that the squirrel in the dumpster? Yeah,
that was that was a tough one. That was like
one of my recent columns, it was it's wild to
see like so you know, at the bottom of a dumpster.
This is a Webster.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
This is a Webster story too. By the way, I think, no,
that's the squirrel. We sorry, oh yes it is. I look, yeah,
let me tell you.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
The squirrel. So this was another kind of bizarre rescue
of an animal. But yeah, this poor little squirrel put
his head in the drain the troll of the dumpster,
you know, probably to get some food in the out
of there, and it couldn't get out. And so what
happened was they called firefighters and you know, the a
CEO was on scene, and they actually used tools to
(27:22):
cut out a corner of the dumpster and they were
able to you know, cut away, you know, slowly, but surely,
and the squirrel was freed and actually made a you know,
stayed The a CEO kept an eye on it overnight
and said, you know, it was acting very squirrel like,
you know, yelling o her and stuff and and uh
(27:45):
seemed very healthy. And she released it the next day
and it took off up a tree.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
So maybe that's where the cat learned some of the
squirrel moves. I didn't realize that both in the town
of Webster. But it also tales. I love it.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Yes, yeah, I mean every day, strange stuff happens, you
know what I mean, And that's what I just try
to capture, you know, some of those moments every week.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
A great sense for Emily. You do a great job
and I'm always looking for this. So this is every
Sunday in the Globe.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Every Sunday in the Globe. Yeah, it's in the Metro
section and yeah, yeah, please check it out.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
After after I get rid of get you know, to
get rid of after I finished reading Sean See and
Kevin DuPont and everybody in the sports page, I'm going
right to Blatertale.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yes, that's what I like to hear.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Thank you, Emily, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
We'll talk soon.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Okay, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
My pleasure. Thanks so much for being here. Will we
get back. We're going to talk with an author. His
name is Brian Biro. I hope it's pronounced correctly, and
he's written a book which I think you're going to
be interested in. Uh. It's a it's a book dealing
with lessons from the legends, new applications from the timeless
(29:04):
wisdom of John Wuden and Pat Summit. If you don't
know who John Mouten and Pat Summitt are you're not
a college basketball fan. We will explain it all on
the other side of this very quick break on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Joining us. That is Brian Biro. I'm hoping I'm pronouncing
that last name correctly. Am I close?
Speaker 6 (29:31):
You did Brian Biro's bio correctly? Way to god.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I like that. That's I can remember that, Brian Biro's bio. Okay.
So you have a couple of degrees from a couple
of pretty good schools, Stanford and UCLA. Okay, and you've
written a book, Lessons from the Legends, and this talking
about two basketball legends. College basketball legends John Wudin of UCLA,
(29:56):
who lived to the age of almost made a hundred
it or not in Pat Summit University of Tennessee, arguably
the greatest college men's and women's basketball coaches in the
history of the game. You won't disagree with me on that,
I hope.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Not a bit. They were both phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, So how did you come to this subject? What
drew you to them? And tell us about the book?
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Yeah, you know, I wanted to write a book about character. Again,
I believe that we need to focus on character. Coach
would and would often say, you know, you're be more
concerned with your character than your reputation, because your characters
who you are. Your reputation only what others think you are.
And I grew up in southern California had a great
admiration for John Whitten. He actually became my friend. He
(30:50):
wrote the forward to my very first book, which was
called Beyond Success. But I never got the chance to
meet Pat Summit, but I always admired her. And what
really really intrigued me and was they're different in style,
but their similarity and character. Both of them were very humble.
By that, I mean, you know, some people think being
humbled means that you're not competent. Not true. He can
(31:12):
be very humble and very competent because being humble doesn't
mean you think less of yourself. It means you think
of yourself less. But the key to being why being
humble is such a valuable thing in our world today,
Only those are humble our lifelong learners. Because only those
are humble are always looking to get better. And they
both live that so much. And I think most of
all I had My first career out of graduating from
(31:34):
the Stanford was I was a US swimming coach. So
I'm loving the Olympics happening right now. But I always
realize that we don't coach swimming or basketball first, we
coach people. It's helping people break through those fears, helping people,
you know, develop their faith in themselves, develop the team spirit.
So I wanted to take two people who are very
(31:56):
different in style. You know, coach coach Summit could melt
steel with Stare. She was tough one of her favorite statements,
A tough enough buttercup and John Wooden was the ultimate gentleman.
But in their in their passion for building people, their
passion for being humble, their passion for work ethic, their
passion for really trying to make everyone around them better,
(32:19):
they both believe, you know, it's amazing what's accomplished when
nobody cares who gets the credit. They gave credit, took responsibility.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So that was also great as well. Winning Winning is
not you know, I think I forget who it was
that winning is and everything. It's the only thing that
might have been Lombardi if I'm not mistaken that and
it's a different style obviously, but these these two very
successful you know, college basketball coaches, you you have very
(32:50):
uh you talk about character versus reputation, and that's a
very interesting point of view. If you, if you do
have good character, I think general, your reputation is going
to follow. In my opinion, there may be people who
who have a great reputation, but in fact their their
character is you know, it doesn't back up the reputation.
(33:13):
I guess it can go one way. Character reputation. But
there's a couple of other phrases here which which struck me,
and that is balancing passion and calmness. It's tough to
be both. I mean, if you're really passionate about whether
it's your work or or even for that matter, of
(33:35):
your golf game, it's it's tough to be passionate and
when things don't go well to remain calm. What did
what did you learn from them about that ability?
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Well? I think both of them understood that the key
to handling that having passion and staying cool under pressure
is to focus on controlling your controllables. It's when we
try to control the things we don't control that we
really start to lose it. That we start to get impatient, angry, frustrated.
And both of them, though they love to win. This
(34:07):
is the most remarkable thing that you'll ever hear about
John Wooden. In twenty seven years of coaching UCLA, he
never said the words winning or losing to his players. Now,
for those who don't know, listen to your show. Was
he won ten national championships, so he loved to win,
but what he wanted to focus on was look at
the things you control. Your effort, your energy, your attitude.
You're learning your attitude. And Coach somewhat was the same.
(34:30):
She intensely wanted to win, but she didn't look at
the score as necessarily the determination of whether you really
deserve to be praised or not. It was really what
you put in the things you control. And I think
that's the secret for anybody, whether it's in business, whether
it's in parenting. When we focus on the things we
do control our effort, our energy, our presence, our focus,
(34:53):
we feel momentum, we feel like we can rather than
we can. And I think that's another real important thing
that they really truly truly exemplified.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Well. Both of them obviously also had good players. John
Wooden had had Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Bill Walton, Gail Goodrich.
There are a lot of great players that that developed
under him. That's that's all. The always the chicken and
egg story. Does the coach make the player or do
the players make the coach? What's your thought on that?
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Well, you know, if you look at John witten, I,
you know, we we remember that he coached Bill Walton,
and he coached and he he coached Kareema, Bill Jabbar
when he was lu Al Sinder. But he won with
every conceivable kind of team. His first two teams had
no starter over six foot four and a half. Then
he won, of course with the big centers and the
great players that he had, and then his last three
(35:47):
championship teams were forward dominated. So he he understood that,
you know, he didn't try to coach everyone the same way.
He looked for the strengths and brought him out, and
so did coach Summit. They they could. They really focused
on looking at who they had, and they really believe
that both of them that the difference between being good
(36:07):
and great. Coach wouldn't said this often really came down
to the difference between being willing and being eager. You know,
when you're willing, Yeah, you'll do it, but it's kind
of like, you know, willing is kind of like our
teenagers cleaning their room. Yeah they'll do it because they
want to eat, right. But eager is I can't wait.
I got to get out there. I want I just
(36:28):
can't wait to do it. That kind of spirit he felt,
you know, that talent. He used to say there are
no overachievers, And what he meant by that is we
have more in this than we know, and a coach's
job is to try to bring the best out of
what we have.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Boy, a lot of great lessons. The book has been
available for a while, but it's Lessons from the When
did it come out? This is not something they came
out yesterday, I so home.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
No, it just came out at the end of last year.
I was really excited to kind of hit number one
as a new release and know it was a joy
to write because I feel like, more than ever, I
like to see our all of us start to remember
to move from ego to weigo And that's.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
The mindset phrase. So Lessons from the Legends, New Applications
from the Timeless Wisdom of John Wooden and pat Summit
available everywhere. Brian biro As in bio, thank you very much.
I enjoyed, I enjoyed the passion you brought to this conversation.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Thank you, Dan. I really appreciate your having me on
and thank you for all you do. And wish your
great joy happy August.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
It's right around the corner. It's about four hours hours,
three hours away now I wish it was Memorial Day.
Thanks a bunch bride. When we get back, we have
some subjects to talk about tonight, Secret Service being grilled
by senators. But I also am going to get to
a late ad that we did not promote today, and
(37:57):
that is just the dumbst statements that Donald Trump continues
continues to make. He almost wonder does he want to
be president or not. We'll get to art of I promise,
as well as what's going on in the Middle East.
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