August 20, 2024 • 39 mins
Tuesday marked Day 2 of the Democratic National Convention in Chicago. President Joe Biden did not speak until very late in the convention night, where he officially “passed the torch” to Kamala Harris. Did Democrats disrespect President Biden by having him on so late? How would you rate the DNC so far? We discussed the latest happenings at the DNC.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night nine with Dan Ray. I tell you Feasy
Boston's new radio pro.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Lea's get back to the call. He's going to go
back to Connor and Hingham if you'd like to join
us six one, seven, two four to ten thirty six
month seven nine three one ten thirty. Connor is making
the point that he thinks the most important presidential election
was twenty twelve, when Mitt Romney lost to Barack Obama.
Couple of interesting things about the twenty twelve presidential election.
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If you're still there, Connor, I don't know if you've
looked up the numbers lately, but Barack Obama became only
the second US president to win fewer electoral votes in
his reelection than he won in its previous election. In
two thousand and eight, President Obama, then candidate Obama won
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nearly seventy million votes. He had he had sixty nine million,
four ninety eight, so sixty nine and a half million.
John McCain had just shy of sixty million, So he
really thumped John McCain by ten million votes. And the
electoral votes he won two to one three sixty five
to one, seventy three, So McCain was not did not
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turn out to be a strong candidate in terms of
the two thousand and eight election. Go fast forward to
twenty twelve and Barack Obama had about four and a
half million fewer votes fewer votes. In twenty and twelve,
Mitt Romney only grew the Republican vote total by a million.
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So Romney lost three point thirty two to two oh six.
And of course, four years later, Donald Trump won with
whatever it was, I think, three hundred and six electoral votes.
So the pub you know, the Democrats did a pretty
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good job rough and me up. Remember they talked about
how that he had been involved in some takeover a
company in Indiana and they fired employees. And Romney never
carried Indiana, which was a had traditionally been a Republican
state by the way, for many many years. Excriite that
he did carry Indiana, that's my mistake, but I think
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that those ads hurt him in other states and Romney.
Romney just didn't grow the Republican vote. Conversely, Donald Trump
moved from there was sixty one million people that voted
for Romney. Donald Trump, he only had sixty s well
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sixty three million, so he grew the vote by about
two million, but it was enough to get those three
hundred and four electoral votes that he needed to win. So,
you know whatever, you know, that Republican brand of the
Romney had the Republican brand of modern Republicans they had
They had lost twice with McCain and Romney. I think
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that's why the Republicans decided to go a little a
little rolled with Donald Trump in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, just to be clear, I should have clarified earlier.
I don't think twenty twelve was, you know, the most
important election of all time. I should have said in
you know, recent you know, past thirty years or so.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Sure, Yeah, so what do you think? What are you
thinking about doing in this election? You you have? This
is also an interesting election. Obviously you have a former
president now against the current Vice president. Joe Biden has
left the stage. I mean, it's it's it's really interesting.
You're in Massachusetts, so you know, I can tell you
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right now that Vice President Harris will carry Massachusetts. So
I'm just curious what are you likely to do with November.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I'm not positive yet. There were so many Republicans in
the primary that I was really excited about. I think
the Republican Party has a really deep bench of very
electrical candidates who would do fantastic in a general election.
I think would make really great presidents. Marco Rubio, Tim Scott,
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Nicky Haley, Chris Christy, Mike Pence. I mean, there's so
many people. Before Trump clinched the nomination, I was really
excited about. But the question is could the country survive,
you know, another four years of the failed Biden policies.
I mean, he's a he's a stable figure at least,
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you know, he doesn't buy his rhetica actions. I don't
think he. I think he's you know, a lot more
levelheaded than Trump and at Biden.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Biden's no longer run the ballot, so you can't vote.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
No, No, I know, I'm just speaking of Kamala as
an extension, you know, this administration, because I don't imagine
that there would be any really large departure in policy.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But no, she wants to raise corporate income taxes, corporate
taxes from twenty one percent to twenty eight percent. That'll
have an impact. She also be awful, Yeah, seems to
have changed attitude on a number of issues. You know,
she was She contributed to the bail fund, the Minnesota
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bail fund. And now she's saying she's much more pro police.
I mean, she's she's good. She's gonna have some explainer
to do when she starts to do a few news
conferences and interviews.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Right, absolutely, Yeah, I would not have high expectations for
how well she would govern. I would disagree with the
large majority of for policies.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So really, the last, how old are you? If I
could ask?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
You?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Sound like you're fairly.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Young, not too young. Twenty nine, twenty nine, that's pretty young,
so I guess it's all relative.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
No, but twenty nine, so therefore you were only what twelve?
When I'm trying to figure out the numbers here? You
were born in you were born in nineteen.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Ninety five, ninety four, ninety four.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Okay, so you were born in late ninety four, and
so therefore in twenty twelve, you were just turning eighteen.
Did you vote in that election? I assume you did
if you had turned eighteen over.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I missed it by my birthday was like two weeks after.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, okay, yeah, we've established it real late. Okay, So
have you voted for a Democratic president?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I have? Unfortunately I never wanted to be in that position,
but I did last time.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So you voted for Joe Biden?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, and I voted for Gary Johnson before that.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Okay, Well, you know Gary Jhnsen was a Republican governor
before he became a libertarian. M So, did you vote
for Biden or against Trump?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Against Trump?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Against Trump? Has your feeling and attitude changed towards Trump?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I I would not say. Maybe it's it's a little worse.
I mean, are you going to you? I think he
governed the country really well. I think he was a
really you know in the traditional regards. I think he
was fantastic with the economy. I think he was great
with foreign military affairs. I didn't necessarily always like how
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he treated some of our allies, but I think sometimes
they needed a kick in the butt. So, you know,
for a few years, you know, for for a four
year term. I don't think it's always that bad once
in a while to have a president who might apply
a little bit more pressure like that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
But you're not going to vote for Trump this year?
It sounds to me because if if you feel the
same way to it's Trump, why would you vote for
him in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, I don't see myself as a Trump voter this cycle.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So you were either going to vote for Harris or
blank blank that particular portion.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Of the ballot, I might write someone in. That's what
I'm thinking at this point.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, that's the same thing as blanking. So you could
write in anyone you want.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, yeah, no, I swing could be different. What I'm sorry?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
What was that I said you could write in Mitt Romney?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I yeah, I could. Yeah, he would. I still think
he would be a great president. I mean, I'm I
think I'm more conservative than him. There's other Republicans that
I think would be even better. But yeah, I think
I think that was a big missed opportunity. A lot
of the problems we've been having the last ten plus
years I don't think we would be dealing with. I
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think the country would be in a much better place
had he won. Yeah, well, but I agree with what
you're when you're talking about earlier how he didn't grow
the base. I don't think he's a very good politician.
I think he's a good leader, and then contrasts that
with someone like Obama, who is an amazing politician, just
not a good leader.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Interesting analysis, Connor, you got to call the show more often.
You're you're a great caller, and I appreciate the analysis.
And uh, if all of a sudden you swing back
to Trump, I want to I want to hear it
because I think that you are right now where a
lot of people are that they're disenchanted with Trump. He's
done nothing in the last couple of weeks after the
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assassination attempt. Did you have any different feelings towards Trump
during that that brief period of when you know, he
he he you know, he survived the assassination attempt.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I did.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, I kind of thought he might have a come
to Jesus moment. I thought his countenance and I know
I'm not the only person to steal this way. It
looked like he was carrying himself differently, and got kind
of excited that he was talking about being a more
unifying figure, and I, you know, I thought, maybe this
could be.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Why do you think you can't bring himself to do like?
Why do you think he cannot fit? He cannot mentally
psychologically bring himself to do that.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I don't. It's unbelieve.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's unbelievable he as successful as he was as president,
you know, with the economy, military, this stuff we talked
about before he if he had a different personality, I
feel like he could have carried like forty states.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's I feel like this is not a big ask.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well, do do me a favorite. Just keep me posted
because I think that I think I think you will
not you will not vote for either Harris or Trump.
But if you change your mind, I want you to
be one of my weather vane voters.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Okay, absolutely, Dan, it was great talking to you.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Enjoyed talking to you. Well, what are you doing for
for work? Now you're twenty nine years old? How how's
how's your economy doing.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I've just begun I've had some major strides as a
freelance animator, and I just started to break into writing.
I made some big, big connections with people at the
Simpsons and Family Guy, and some people expressed interested in Yeah,
it was really cool. A big executive producer expressed interest
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in actually like producing a pilot proposal. So I was
just working that I had come up with.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So keep you posted on your career. Where'd you go
to school to learn that? What school did you go to?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Leslie University, Wesleyan or did you say Wesley down Connecticut,
Leslie Well, Leslie.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Leslie up in Boston. Okay, great, another great school. Keep
me posted. You're going to have a great career, trust
me on that.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Thanks Dan, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I kind of talked to you soon. Twenty nine year
old Nights I caller, we love it. Six one, seven,
triple eight, nine, ten thirty. Did the Democrats dis President
Biden last night? Philip Burns Philip Bump, who's a columnist
for the Washington Post, Sure thinks so, and I do
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as well. Keeping him off the stage until nine until
eleven thirty East Coast time. I think that was an
extraordinary decision for some observers rooted in the conventions of conventions,
in the pattern of politics, Biden taking the stage eleven
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thirty was a slight, an intentional sidelining of a president
the party was eager to discard. And I think that
showed clearly last night. And I'd love to know what
you think. We're coming back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Bright We're talking politics. I mean, there's really nothing else
that is a great news value this week in my opinion,
So we will continue, and I hope you'll join us.
I'd love to hear from some truly undecided voters, or
if you decided, tell us why Mike and Beverly Mike
next on Nightside Welcome.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Hey, damn Mike and the How are you can hear me?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I can hear you just fine. You're right ahead, Mike.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
So, as you know, I'm a Trump supporter and I
have been listening. Dan. You know I don't understand, but
you can know better than me. Has you ever met
a time when the situation we're going through where a
VP has going for the presidency, like the situation is
going through now because she talks all this sort of stuff,
But she can know that right now. And I don't
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think the people know that that the Democrats are and
the parents know that all the stuff she talks about,
she can do it right this minute. She can do
it now. We'll have to wait to election. She can
do now. And I don't think they they they grasped
that point.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, that's what I well, I think you make an
interesting point. I will tell you that George Bush in
nineteen eighty eight was a vice president who had won
the nomination, and he was running against Mike docaccas. You
had Al Gore in nineteen in two thousand, who ran
against George Bush, he was a vice president. Neither one
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of them won. You have now Joe Biden didn't run
in twenty and sixteen. Some people believe that President Obama
made it clear that he would have preferred to see Hillary.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Run, and that, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I mean, I think my position would be on Kamal
Harris is her comments, for example, no taxes on tips.
Now that was clearly Donald Trump's idea months ago. However, however,
he has a good point there. He can just say, well, look,
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you were vice president for three and a half years,
how come you never express that and to the best
of my and she didn't express it. So and she
has some changes in her, uh you know, in her
in her votes.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I mean she is quickly we're coming off there not
could be no, they're hiding her. There's not can be
no press conference or any press relations with her at all.
There's going to be once it's September tenth, and that's
going to be it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You want.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
They will not hire They're going to hide her.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Dad, you know, here's the thing. I think that they
had the ability to hide Joe Biden in twenty twenty
because of his age and because of COVID. I don't
think that she will survive and win as a candidate
using that strategy. I think it's a different time and
it's a different question.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, how can you do this now with no policy?
Her website is blank, send me money, but there's no
policy on her website zero.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Well, part of that, part of it is that the
Democrats really Donald Trump. Democrat do not like Donald Trump,
and uh and you know they they they talk much
more about the need to defeat Donald Trump than necessarily
the need to elect Kamala Harris vice president Harris. Although
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obviously if they defeat Donald Trump, they will elect a
vice president vice president Harris. So you know, don't don't
get upset about it. Continue to listen to Nights Out
and continue to express your opinions.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I get it. It's just it's common sense, So bun,
I don't know, it's just that we are probably good
part of common sense. And if you listen to Bernie
Savis and I he wants the everything away, like I
don't understand it, Like I so I want to work
for free. Think of all my tax moneys away and
I get nothing back, and it's just it's well, I think.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I think, I think that I think that you should
be a speech writer for Donald Trump, or you should
be an issues advisor for Donald Trump, because I'm serious,
it's the issues that he needs to start talking and
it has to stop. I listened to him. I guess
it was yesterday and he just went on and on,
or maybe it was today. He was in Michigan today
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and there were a couple of police officers standing behind him,
and he just kept repeating himself and going on and
how this and that. I'm listening to Hie, I'm say
the mess. I can hear people's minds clicking off, saying
we don't need to listen to that, over and over
and over again. He's finally getting away from revisiting the
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grievance of twenty twenty. I feel like I'm watching Seinfeld
or something like that. It's what the word going ads means.
You don't have to get You know, you were pretty
good when you were saying medical stuff. But yeah, let's
just leave it at that. Look, the bottom line is
you may love him Mike, okay, because of exactly that.
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He says what he means, and he means what he says,
and he keeps saying the same darn thing. But there's
a lot of people that's going to be turned off
by that. Mike, trust me on that his campaign has
lost momentum in the last three weeks. Uh, and I
do not see them picking any any momentum up right now.
So that's I'm just telling you. I'm looking at the
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horse race. Do you feel better about Trump's campaign? Let
me ask you this, Do you feel better about your
candidate's campaign today than you did three weeks ago?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I think I think there's more for the Democratic because
they're hiding her so much and then and uh, you know,
it's just shadowing her around, and there's there's a big.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Your guy, your guy is not is not bringing it
to the table. He's not talking about issues, and until
he starts talking about issues, he's gonna he's bleeding voters
in my opinion. That's I know that's not what you
want to hear, But I'm telling you what I believe
to be the truth. That's all.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Okay, I get it, I get it, I calling.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Keep calling, Okay, that's I have a good one six
one eight ten thirty or six one seven nine three
one ten thirty. I don't mean to throw a lot
of numbers at you, but let's talk. Let's talk this race.
I don't care which side of the idol you're on here,
let's talk about it. And you can be a Trump
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person and criticize Trump, or you can be a Harris
person and criticized Trump. You can be a Trump person
criticize Harris. That's whatever you want to do. But all
you could be undecided, and I I will do a
quick examination of you, and I will tell you who
you will vote for. I can predict that who you
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will vote for in November if you're truly undecided. And
if I'm wrong, I want you to call me back
on November fifth or November sixth, then tell me I
was wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's nice side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So I'm inviting people who were undecided to join the conversation.
But I know that my friend Laurie and Idaho is
not undecided, at least in my last check. Laurie and
Idaho welcome, How are you?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That was a good call.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
No, I'm actually calling because I agree with you about
the way Biden was treated the other night, and I
think that's the way he's been treated, at least publicly
a little bit since the end of July. And I
just thought that was absolutely disrespectful. And I mean, you know, well, let.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Me play a sound by which I think is interesting,
and this is Chris Wallace of CNN, and I want
you wait to react what Chris Wallace said. Okay, CNN. No,
Chris Wallace used to be with Fox. But Chris, I
think was right on the money here this is and
I think you'll agree with him. Got eighteen please Rob
Chris Wallace last night talking about the feeling inside the
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United Center in Chicago.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
The word that everybody is using to describe tonight as bittersweet,
just bitter. The fact of the matter, I'm not saying
Joe Biden is bitter, but you know, it's like you've
been thrown out a window and as you're falling, you go, gee,
it's nice out here. No, he got thrown out of
window and basically he was forced. You know, there's gonna
be a lot of talk tonight about how generous it
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was of him too, and selfless of him. He was
basically forced out by Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama and
Chuck Schumer and jakeem Jefferies, and I suspect even the
fact that there has been this surge of enthusiasm since
he left and Kamala Harris took his place. That's got
to be pretty tough too. You've got thrown out of
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a window and everybody's applauding the person who's now in
the room.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And Jake Tapper, also, I think, is on the same page.
This was a conversation tapperhead last night on seeing it
with Nancy Pelosi, and I really want you to react
to this. Here's his fancy Nancy Pelosi with Jack Jake
Tapper last night. Team Please Rob, it does seem like
there's some residual back blood or resentment. And I'm wondering
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if you've.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
Spoken to him and and and what your response is
to that. Sometimes you just have to take a punch
for the children.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And that's what you're doing right now. You're just gonna
take the punch for the children.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Who's right now?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I don't know, I.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Interview with me.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Maybe he's showing the punch.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I'm not I wouldn't ever, But she doesn't want to fight.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Nobody wants to have to fight with Nancy Pelosi at
this time. You know what I have to do. He
made the decision for the country. My concern is not
about the president was about his campaign.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
That's a that's a difference without a distinction.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Oh my god, wouldn't you love to.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Be on a lifeboat with her with just a one
life preserver?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I was a lifeguard for ten years and I know
how to do it, so sure anytime.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
No, I mean really, oh my gosh, no, wonder they're
not talking And what difference does it make at this
point anyway?
Speaker 6 (23:10):
But yeah, no, it doesn't. And I just when you
look back, that's the same treatment that he's gotten since.
I mean, I heard somewhere I don't even know where
it was, that since with that end of July weekend
where you know, someone, when he made his his his
announcement that he wouldn't be doing it. I heard that
Nancy Pelosi and some of the other people hadn't even
spoken to him until now. I don't know if that's
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true or not.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But she hasn't spoken to him yet. She as I
understand it, oh, just.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
Through her little like, you know, wow, and so you know,
and you know, I'm not a big fan of the
Biden politics and all that, but I just thought the
way he got treated was just rude because they abused
him essentially for three and a half years, propping him
up and making them do their thing, and then all
of a sudden, oh gosh, well you know what you
got to go. I'm sure doctor Jill must be having
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a bit of a conniption by now, but I just I, yeah,
that was just rude. It's he's old, it's way past
his bedtime. Let him go on first and do his
sing and get the heck out of there. And yeah, no,
I agree with you. I thought that was very very
unjust and very disrespectful treatment. And these are the same
group of Democrats we want running our country again.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, how about that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Well, it's it's almost as if it's like a mafia hit.
It's sort of like, you know, it's so like in
the you know, in The Godfather that you know, somebody
you know was very helpful and very useful, and he
did what people told him to do. But then there
came a point in time where he was going to
be a problem. Uh, and maybe they felt he was
weak and he was gonna maybe cut a deal, you know,
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work work something out with with the with the the authorities,
and you know, he had to go. He had to go.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Well, and it does and it just it was they
they respected him and showed him all the respect until
all the time that he was not useful anymore, and
then they were they were absolutely rude about how they
did it. I mean, he's an old guy, he's a
feeling guy.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Mentally.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
It must is, it must really have hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I guess if you run with the big dogs, sometimes
the pack turns on you.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
And it is a pack of wolf hyenas. And I
don't know whatever else is out there, but wow, America,
be careful who you vote for.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Okay. I know who you're going to vote for. So
we'll get on all right, right, talked to you, okay,
my head tonight, Thank you so much, doctor. Good night,
all right, Lourie, good night. Six one seven two thirty
six one seven nine three one ten thirty. Those are
the two lines. I lean is in Waltham. I lean
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your next one nights. I'd welcome.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Good evening. How are you.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I'm doing great Aileen, thanks for checking in here. Did
did the Democrats do right by Joe Biden last night? No?
Speaker 6 (25:58):
And I think you made my point and you could
pay to a mafia hit. I have a question that
nobody has addressed, and it seems we missed these kind
of opportunities all the day. Why was the debate in
June instead of in September.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Now, what happened that question?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
It puts a whole different line on everything.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Well, here's what happened.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
Was a hit. It was a definite hit.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Okay, here's what happened if you recall, which is I
think really interesting. I'd let to know what other people
think about this. If you remember, one morning in early June,
Donald Trump had said he was looking forward to debating
Joe Biden anywhere, anytime, any place, And one morning the
White House released a videotape of Joe Biden said, and
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he was very disrespectful to Trump. It was like, hey, Donald,
you said, anytime, anywhere, any place, I'm ready. Let's do
it make my day. He used that line the Clint
Eastwood line, he looked were tough and ready, And within
an hour CNN had offered the debate stage and Joe
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Biden had accepted, and then Donald Trump accepted. Uh. And
remember some of the there was going to be no audience,
no noteo, yes, and there was going to be a
strict limit on time. So when someone's time was up,
it was up. Jake Tapper and Dana Bash treated Donald
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Trump very respectfully.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
I think I listened to a little bit, but not
the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Well, I watched it as much as I could. I'd
listened to it because we were just as we played
Donald Trump's that debate and then we played his acceptance speech.
Will also play Vice President Harris's acceptance speech on Thursday night,
so you'll hear it here on Night Side as well.
But the point is when he came out, he looked
(27:55):
I looked awful, and he.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Looked, oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
The whole thing, I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
He was set up to He was set up. I
happen to agree with you. He was set up. He
was set up to fail.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
It was a hit, and I don't think the hit
began recently. I think this whole scenario was put in
place back in to sixteen.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I think that's good was just a holder.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
He was the hold of that.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
When I lean Aleen, you said to sixteen in to
sixteen he was. He basically decided.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
He wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yes, he wasn't there, right, he had been vice president of.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Eight years, and then he came back in Yep, he
came back into Parent. Everybody saw Philip was going to
win the Air of Parent and she didn't. And so
I really believed the powers that be, the control was
behind the Democratic Party started then saying Okay, what are we.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Going to do?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I'm agreeing with you, And what I was trying to
say was that in twenty twenty, I think the the
powers that be in the Democratic Party decided. If you
remember it, he became the nominee almost overnight. He had
finished fourth or fifth in New Hampshire, and he flew
to South Carolina and that Saturday he won decisively in
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South Carolina thanks to the help of Congressman James Cliburne
Clive Burne, and immediately Pete Buddhajet flew to South Carolina
and endorsed him, and I think Amy Claubacher did and
that race was over. Based upon the South Carolina primary,
I think that was a set up as well. I
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think the.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Democrats one I really think it's a long term plan
and as you as you sent you it's a coup.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well, I didn't use the word coup that day.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Getting rid of Biden others doing them there.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I think she can hear me. There are others who
have used the word coup. I lean, and we talked
about that last that last night.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
I really think there's a concern. I think we're going
to wake up and ask what's really going on here.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Okay, let's see if people react to what you have
to say. I Lean, thank you very much for your call.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
The question is why and why and June.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Instead of in September.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Okay, we'll see what people say. Thank you. I Leen,
appreciate your call. Ran good night six one seven two
five four ten And I think she did a tough
time hearing me there, so I tried not to be interruptive.
If you'd like to join the conversation, and I really
wish you would six one seven, two five four ten
thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty. For
those of you who are interested, Michelle Obama is speaking
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the The husband of the Vice President, Doug M Hoff
has just spoken, and I suspect that missus Obama is
about to interview introduce the former president, and again I
think we're still here in prime time, although it is
getting a little lighter. But last night, remember Joe Biden
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didn't hit that stage until about ten thirty. I think
he was disrespected last night doesn't really matter at this point.
He is now in the review mirror for the Democrats.
And again, it's been a spectacular change, There's no doubt.
And I said last winter, I didn't think that we
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were not going to have surprises. I said there would
be surprises. I did not anticipate that Joe Biden on
July twenty first would step away. So I'd love to know.
I want to talk politics tonight. You were more than
welcome to join the conversation. And if you're a new
call that's great. If you're an undecided caller, if you
truly aren't decided, I don't think there were too many
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of you who are undecided at this point, and I
think most of you are either going to be huge
Trump supporters and vote for Donald Trump because you believe
in Donald Trump and everything that he represents, or on
the Democratic side, you have been energized. Now you were
a little reluctant to really throw your weight behind Joe
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Biden again, but now you're energized.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
And it's it's also if the is this election I
think is becoming more and more about Donald Trump, and
I think that is the way that Democrats want to
play it.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
If you agree, wonderful. If you disagree, feel free join
the conversation back on Nightside right after this quick commercial break.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Now back to Dan Way live from the Window World
nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Back to the phones we go. Let me go to
Ross in Denham, Massachusetts. Hey, Ross, welcome, You're next on Nightside.
I'm being great Ross. What's your your question or comment tonight?
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Wh are you an gham? And just things? I am
a first time caller, but I can't lie. I worked no, no, no, no,
no no. I did work for wb Z ready for
three years. I enjoyed you.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You worked for BESY how long ago?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Early nineties?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Early nineties? Okay, well, I was in TV at the time.
Did we ever cross paths?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Probably in the men's room.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I mean, what did you do? If I could ask?
Speaker 4 (33:29):
I know I was in the traffic departments to commercial
commercial operations and then I went back to the enemy
for thirty years and I just retired.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
So who was the enemy?
Speaker 4 (33:41):
If I could ask Fox TV?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Oh my goodness, Okay, that's okay, they're not the enemy.
Their colleagues right ahead.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yeah, yeah. They grabbed me out of college and I
went there and buzzed over to BZ and I went
back to Fox.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Well, welcome as a first time caller. Do we give
We got round of applause for you, Thank you Forank Colin.
Are you undecided in this race or where are you.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Actually? I'm confused. In twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, I
voted for the Libertarian Cicut okay, because Bill Weld was
on the ticket, Yes he was. Yeah, so I went
with that route. I couldn't vote for a party, so
it's not going to work. Okay, excuse me, there's time around.
(34:33):
My question is to you is I've been looking at
the U. I guess the four figures behind you know,
the Democrats, Republicans. I didn't know if you had any
opinion on somebody like Jill Stein.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Well she's she's the Green Party candidates. He lives in
Lexington and she got a few votes. You know, these
third party candidates sometimes actually do surprisingly well. You know,
I again. The libertarian candidate in twenty twenty was a
woman named Joe Jorgenson. She got almost two million votes.
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Oh that's a lot of votes, but no electoral votes.
Jill Stein in twenty sixteen, many people think that she
cost Hillary Clinton the election. She got almost a million
and a half votes. Gary Johnson was the libertarian in
twenty sixteen, got almost four and a half million votes.
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So you know, if you it's those are small votes,
but they could mean a lot to one of the
major candidates. So you know, what where are you leaning
this time? Are you leaning to vote for? You're not
going to vote for for Harris or Trump?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I assume no, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
No, Okay, you're going to find a third What about
rf K No, no, no, okay, okay, I.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Don't mean to laugh, but no, that's that's not gonna happen. Okay,
there's another guy out here, I don't know, fever bought him,
called all the Chase.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, he's the Libertarian candidate. He'll get a million votes
and you'll have no. I mean, it's a nice vote
to make if that's what you want to do, But
you're not gonna You're not gonna it's not going to
impact the election.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
No, not, it wonts. But I will ask you this question. Uh,
Let's say a bunch of us wrote here. Somebody who
I do like is uh Christy, Uh, Christy Chase. Let's
say you're right here, man.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Who I missed that?
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Who?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
He's one you're talking about, Chris Christy?
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Thank you? The guy from New Jersey. Yeah, thank you. Yeah,
but that's not gonna help.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I mean, you know, I'll tell you either either Trump
or Harris will win. Either Trump or Harris will win.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Right, But my question is if some of us will
in him, would that helped him get donations if he
wanted to go run for senator?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Not really?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I mean now, okay, I.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Don't think so. Yeah, yeah, I think ross that again.
It's a you know, the reality is that this country
is a two party, two party country, unlike the European
countries which have you know, coalition governments, or Israel, where
you have seven or eight major parties or minor parties.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Yeah right, yeah, so you have.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I mean in twenty sixteen, you had Joe Stein the
Green Party, you had Evan McMullan, an independent, uh, and
then there are other other groups that that are out
there too. You know, Gary Johnson was the Libertarian Party
candidate back then. But again if right, yeah, you know,
and again it can make a difference. I mean, if
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there's a significant vote in one state. Look, George Bush
never would have beat al Gore if Ralph Nader hadn't
bet on the ballot. You know how many votes Ralph
Nader got in Florida in two thousand. That was a
race in Florida where Bush won by five hundred and
twenty seven votes. You how many votes Nader got? But
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take guess, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I do know.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Ninety ninety two thousand, Ross is the answer? Ninety two thousand,
which what percentage of those votes you think would have
gone Native's votes would have gone to al Gore as
opposed to George Bush?
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Oh, all of them?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Right? Al Gore would have been the President of United
States it had not been for Ralph Nator being on
the ballot.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
In California, his followers a spoiler would be lost. Parrot right, But.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Parot had no impact. I mean Perot got no electoral votes.
I don't know that he costs that have to go
back and look and see if he be cost George
Bush Particolah.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
I'm pretty sure he took photes away from Bush.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, well I think so. We got nineteen percent of
the vote. Ross, I got a run. Thank you very
much for your call. Great to renew an old friendship
here and keep calling the show. You no reason why
you can't becoming a second or a third time caller.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Okay, thanks well, great night.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
All right you two, here comes the eleven o'clock news.
Let's talk politics on the other side. I love to
hear from you. Feel free to join the conversation. You
have the number six one, seven, two, five, four to
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Lea's get back to the call. He's going to go
back to Connor and Hingham if you'd like to join
us six one, seven, two four to ten thirty six
month seven nine three one ten thirty. Connor is making
the point that he thinks the most important presidential election
was twenty twelve, when Mitt Romney lost to Barack Obama.
Couple of interesting things about the twenty twelve presidential election.
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If you're still there, Connor, I don't know if you've
looked up the numbers lately, but Barack Obama became only
the second US president to win fewer electoral votes in
his reelection than he won in its previous election. In
two thousand and eight, President Obama, then candidate Obama won
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nearly seventy million votes. He had he had sixty nine million,
four ninety eight, so sixty nine and a half million.
John McCain had just shy of sixty million, So he
really thumped John McCain by ten million votes. And the
electoral votes he won two to one three sixty five
to one, seventy three, So McCain was not did not
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turn out to be a strong candidate in terms of
the two thousand and eight election. Go fast forward to
twenty twelve and Barack Obama had about four and a
half million fewer votes fewer votes. In twenty and twelve,
Mitt Romney only grew the Republican vote total by a million.
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So Romney lost three point thirty two to two oh six.
And of course, four years later, Donald Trump won with
whatever it was, I think, three hundred and six electoral votes.
So the pub you know, the Democrats did a pretty
(01:57):
good job rough and me up. Remember they talked about
how that he had been involved in some takeover a
company in Indiana and they fired employees. And Romney never
carried Indiana, which was a had traditionally been a Republican
state by the way, for many many years. Excriite that
he did carry Indiana, that's my mistake, but I think
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that those ads hurt him in other states and Romney.
Romney just didn't grow the Republican vote. Conversely, Donald Trump
moved from there was sixty one million people that voted
for Romney. Donald Trump, he only had sixty s well
(02:41):
sixty three million, so he grew the vote by about
two million, but it was enough to get those three
hundred and four electoral votes that he needed to win. So,
you know whatever, you know, that Republican brand of the
Romney had the Republican brand of modern Republicans they had
They had lost twice with McCain and Romney. I think
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that's why the Republicans decided to go a little a
little rolled with Donald Trump in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, just to be clear, I should have clarified earlier.
I don't think twenty twelve was, you know, the most
important election of all time. I should have said in
you know, recent you know, past thirty years or so.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Sure, Yeah, so what do you think? What are you
thinking about doing in this election? You you have? This
is also an interesting election. Obviously you have a former
president now against the current Vice president. Joe Biden has
left the stage. I mean, it's it's it's really interesting.
You're in Massachusetts, so you know, I can tell you
(03:45):
right now that Vice President Harris will carry Massachusetts. So
I'm just curious what are you likely to do with November.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I'm not positive yet. There were so many Republicans in
the primary that I was really excited about. I think
the Republican Party has a really deep bench of very
electrical candidates who would do fantastic in a general election.
I think would make really great presidents. Marco Rubio, Tim Scott,
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Nicky Haley, Chris Christy, Mike Pence. I mean, there's so
many people. Before Trump clinched the nomination, I was really
excited about. But the question is could the country survive,
you know, another four years of the failed Biden policies.
I mean, he's a he's a stable figure at least,
(04:40):
you know, he doesn't buy his rhetica actions. I don't
think he. I think he's you know, a lot more
levelheaded than Trump and at Biden.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Biden's no longer run the ballot, so you can't vote.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
No, No, I know, I'm just speaking of Kamala as
an extension, you know, this administration, because I don't imagine
that there would be any really large departure in policy.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But no, she wants to raise corporate income taxes, corporate
taxes from twenty one percent to twenty eight percent. That'll
have an impact. She also be awful, Yeah, seems to
have changed attitude on a number of issues. You know,
she was She contributed to the bail fund, the Minnesota
(05:31):
bail fund. And now she's saying she's much more pro police.
I mean, she's she's good. She's gonna have some explainer
to do when she starts to do a few news
conferences and interviews.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Right, absolutely, Yeah, I would not have high expectations for
how well she would govern. I would disagree with the
large majority of for policies.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So really, the last, how old are you? If I
could ask?
Speaker 4 (05:55):
You?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Sound like you're fairly.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Young, not too young. Twenty nine, twenty nine, that's pretty young,
so I guess it's all relative.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
No, but twenty nine, so therefore you were only what twelve?
When I'm trying to figure out the numbers here? You
were born in you were born in nineteen.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Ninety five, ninety four, ninety four.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Okay, so you were born in late ninety four, and
so therefore in twenty twelve, you were just turning eighteen.
Did you vote in that election? I assume you did
if you had turned eighteen over.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I missed it by my birthday was like two weeks after.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, okay, yeah, we've established it real late. Okay, So
have you voted for a Democratic president?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I have? Unfortunately I never wanted to be in that position,
but I did last time.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So you voted for Joe Biden?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, and I voted for Gary Johnson before that.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Okay, Well, you know Gary Jhnsen was a Republican governor
before he became a libertarian. M So, did you vote
for Biden or against Trump?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Against Trump?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Against Trump? Has your feeling and attitude changed towards Trump?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I I would not say. Maybe it's it's a little worse.
I mean, are you going to you? I think he
governed the country really well. I think he was a
really you know in the traditional regards. I think he
was fantastic with the economy. I think he was great
with foreign military affairs. I didn't necessarily always like how
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he treated some of our allies, but I think sometimes
they needed a kick in the butt. So, you know,
for a few years, you know, for for a four
year term. I don't think it's always that bad once
in a while to have a president who might apply
a little bit more pressure like that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
But you're not going to vote for Trump this year?
It sounds to me because if if you feel the
same way to it's Trump, why would you vote for
him in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, I don't see myself as a Trump voter this cycle.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So you were either going to vote for Harris or
blank blank that particular portion.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Of the ballot, I might write someone in. That's what
I'm thinking at this point.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, that's the same thing as blanking. So you could
write in anyone you want.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, yeah, no, I swing could be different. What I'm sorry?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
What was that I said you could write in Mitt Romney?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I yeah, I could. Yeah, he would. I still think
he would be a great president. I mean, I'm I
think I'm more conservative than him. There's other Republicans that
I think would be even better. But yeah, I think
I think that was a big missed opportunity. A lot
of the problems we've been having the last ten plus
years I don't think we would be dealing with. I
(08:51):
think the country would be in a much better place
had he won. Yeah, well, but I agree with what
you're when you're talking about earlier how he didn't grow
the base. I don't think he's a very good politician.
I think he's a good leader, and then contrasts that
with someone like Obama, who is an amazing politician, just
not a good leader.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Interesting analysis, Connor, you got to call the show more often.
You're you're a great caller, and I appreciate the analysis.
And uh, if all of a sudden you swing back
to Trump, I want to I want to hear it
because I think that you are right now where a
lot of people are that they're disenchanted with Trump. He's
done nothing in the last couple of weeks after the
(09:32):
assassination attempt. Did you have any different feelings towards Trump
during that that brief period of when you know, he
he he you know, he survived the assassination attempt.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I did.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, I kind of thought he might have a come
to Jesus moment. I thought his countenance and I know
I'm not the only person to steal this way. It
looked like he was carrying himself differently, and got kind
of excited that he was talking about being a more
unifying figure, and I, you know, I thought, maybe this
could be.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Why do you think you can't bring himself to do like?
Why do you think he cannot fit? He cannot mentally
psychologically bring himself to do that.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I don't. It's unbelieve.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's unbelievable he as successful as he was as president,
you know, with the economy, military, this stuff we talked
about before he if he had a different personality, I
feel like he could have carried like forty states.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's I feel like this is not a big ask.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well, do do me a favorite. Just keep me posted
because I think that I think I think you will
not you will not vote for either Harris or Trump.
But if you change your mind, I want you to
be one of my weather vane voters.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Okay, absolutely, Dan, it was great talking to you.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Enjoyed talking to you. Well, what are you doing for
for work? Now you're twenty nine years old? How how's
how's your economy doing.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I've just begun I've had some major strides as a
freelance animator, and I just started to break into writing.
I made some big, big connections with people at the
Simpsons and Family Guy, and some people expressed interested in Yeah,
it was really cool. A big executive producer expressed interest
(11:16):
in actually like producing a pilot proposal. So I was
just working that I had come up with.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So keep you posted on your career. Where'd you go
to school to learn that? What school did you go to?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Leslie University, Wesleyan or did you say Wesley down Connecticut,
Leslie Well, Leslie.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Leslie up in Boston. Okay, great, another great school. Keep
me posted. You're going to have a great career, trust
me on that.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Thanks Dan, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I kind of talked to you soon. Twenty nine year
old Nights I caller, we love it. Six one, seven,
triple eight, nine, ten thirty. Did the Democrats dis President
Biden last night? Philip Burns Philip Bump, who's a columnist
for the Washington Post, Sure thinks so, and I do
(12:05):
as well. Keeping him off the stage until nine until
eleven thirty East Coast time. I think that was an
extraordinary decision for some observers rooted in the conventions of conventions,
in the pattern of politics, Biden taking the stage eleven
(12:26):
thirty was a slight, an intentional sidelining of a president
the party was eager to discard. And I think that
showed clearly last night. And I'd love to know what
you think. We're coming back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Bright We're talking politics. I mean, there's really nothing else
that is a great news value this week in my opinion,
So we will continue, and I hope you'll join us.
I'd love to hear from some truly undecided voters, or
if you decided, tell us why Mike and Beverly Mike
next on Nightside Welcome.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Hey, damn Mike and the How are you can hear me?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I can hear you just fine. You're right ahead, Mike.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
So, as you know, I'm a Trump supporter and I
have been listening. Dan. You know I don't understand, but
you can know better than me. Has you ever met
a time when the situation we're going through where a
VP has going for the presidency, like the situation is
going through now because she talks all this sort of stuff,
But she can know that right now. And I don't
(13:34):
think the people know that that the Democrats are and
the parents know that all the stuff she talks about,
she can do it right this minute. She can do
it now. We'll have to wait to election. She can
do now. And I don't think they they they grasped
that point.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, that's what I well, I think you make an
interesting point. I will tell you that George Bush in
nineteen eighty eight was a vice president who had won
the nomination, and he was running against Mike docaccas. You
had Al Gore in nineteen in two thousand, who ran
against George Bush, he was a vice president. Neither one
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of them won. You have now Joe Biden didn't run
in twenty and sixteen. Some people believe that President Obama
made it clear that he would have preferred to see Hillary.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Run, and that, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I mean, I think my position would be on Kamal
Harris is her comments, for example, no taxes on tips.
Now that was clearly Donald Trump's idea months ago. However, however,
he has a good point there. He can just say, well, look,
(14:53):
you were vice president for three and a half years,
how come you never express that and to the best
of my and she didn't express it. So and she
has some changes in her, uh you know, in her
in her votes.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I mean she is quickly we're coming off there not
could be no, they're hiding her. There's not can be
no press conference or any press relations with her at all.
There's going to be once it's September tenth, and that's
going to be it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
You want.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
They will not hire They're going to hide her.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Dad, you know, here's the thing. I think that they
had the ability to hide Joe Biden in twenty twenty
because of his age and because of COVID. I don't
think that she will survive and win as a candidate
using that strategy. I think it's a different time and
it's a different question.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, how can you do this now with no policy?
Her website is blank, send me money, but there's no
policy on her website zero.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Well, part of that, part of it is that the
Democrats really Donald Trump. Democrat do not like Donald Trump,
and uh and you know they they they talk much
more about the need to defeat Donald Trump than necessarily
the need to elect Kamala Harris vice president Harris. Although
(16:15):
obviously if they defeat Donald Trump, they will elect a
vice president vice president Harris. So you know, don't don't
get upset about it. Continue to listen to Nights Out
and continue to express your opinions.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I get it. It's just it's common sense, So bun,
I don't know, it's just that we are probably good
part of common sense. And if you listen to Bernie
Savis and I he wants the everything away, like I
don't understand it, Like I so I want to work
for free. Think of all my tax moneys away and
I get nothing back, and it's just it's well, I think.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I think, I think that I think that you should
be a speech writer for Donald Trump, or you should
be an issues advisor for Donald Trump, because I'm serious,
it's the issues that he needs to start talking and
it has to stop. I listened to him. I guess
it was yesterday and he just went on and on,
or maybe it was today. He was in Michigan today
(17:09):
and there were a couple of police officers standing behind him,
and he just kept repeating himself and going on and
how this and that. I'm listening to Hie, I'm say
the mess. I can hear people's minds clicking off, saying
we don't need to listen to that, over and over
and over again. He's finally getting away from revisiting the
(17:32):
grievance of twenty twenty. I feel like I'm watching Seinfeld
or something like that. It's what the word going ads means.
You don't have to get You know, you were pretty
good when you were saying medical stuff. But yeah, let's
just leave it at that. Look, the bottom line is
you may love him Mike, okay, because of exactly that.
(17:52):
He says what he means, and he means what he says,
and he keeps saying the same darn thing. But there's
a lot of people that's going to be turned off
by that. Mike, trust me on that his campaign has
lost momentum in the last three weeks. Uh, and I
do not see them picking any any momentum up right now.
So that's I'm just telling you. I'm looking at the
(18:14):
horse race. Do you feel better about Trump's campaign? Let
me ask you this, Do you feel better about your
candidate's campaign today than you did three weeks ago?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I think I think there's more for the Democratic because
they're hiding her so much and then and uh, you know,
it's just shadowing her around, and there's there's a big.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Your guy, your guy is not is not bringing it
to the table. He's not talking about issues, and until
he starts talking about issues, he's gonna he's bleeding voters
in my opinion. That's I know that's not what you
want to hear, But I'm telling you what I believe
to be the truth. That's all.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Okay, I get it, I get it, I calling.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Keep calling, Okay, that's I have a good one six
one eight ten thirty or six one seven nine three
one ten thirty. I don't mean to throw a lot
of numbers at you, but let's talk. Let's talk this race.
I don't care which side of the idol you're on here,
let's talk about it. And you can be a Trump
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person and criticize Trump, or you can be a Harris
person and criticized Trump. You can be a Trump person
criticize Harris. That's whatever you want to do. But all
you could be undecided, and I I will do a
quick examination of you, and I will tell you who
you will vote for. I can predict that who you
(19:34):
will vote for in November if you're truly undecided. And
if I'm wrong, I want you to call me back
on November fifth or November sixth, then tell me I
was wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It's nice side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So I'm inviting people who were undecided to join the conversation.
But I know that my friend Laurie and Idaho is
not undecided, at least in my last check. Laurie and
Idaho welcome, How are you?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That was a good call.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
No, I'm actually calling because I agree with you about
the way Biden was treated the other night, and I
think that's the way he's been treated, at least publicly
a little bit since the end of July. And I
just thought that was absolutely disrespectful. And I mean, you know, well, let.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Me play a sound by which I think is interesting,
and this is Chris Wallace of CNN, and I want
you wait to react what Chris Wallace said. Okay, CNN. No,
Chris Wallace used to be with Fox. But Chris, I
think was right on the money here this is and
I think you'll agree with him. Got eighteen please Rob
Chris Wallace last night talking about the feeling inside the
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United Center in Chicago.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
The word that everybody is using to describe tonight as bittersweet,
just bitter. The fact of the matter, I'm not saying
Joe Biden is bitter, but you know, it's like you've
been thrown out a window and as you're falling, you go, gee,
it's nice out here. No, he got thrown out of
window and basically he was forced. You know, there's gonna
be a lot of talk tonight about how generous it
(21:16):
was of him too, and selfless of him. He was
basically forced out by Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama and
Chuck Schumer and jakeem Jefferies, and I suspect even the
fact that there has been this surge of enthusiasm since
he left and Kamala Harris took his place. That's got
to be pretty tough too. You've got thrown out of
(21:37):
a window and everybody's applauding the person who's now in
the room.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And Jake Tapper, also, I think, is on the same page.
This was a conversation tapperhead last night on seeing it
with Nancy Pelosi, and I really want you to react
to this. Here's his fancy Nancy Pelosi with Jack Jake
Tapper last night. Team Please Rob, it does seem like
there's some residual back blood or resentment. And I'm wondering
(22:06):
if you've.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
Spoken to him and and and what your response is
to that. Sometimes you just have to take a punch
for the children.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And that's what you're doing right now. You're just gonna
take the punch for the children.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Who's right now?
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I don't know, I.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Interview with me.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Maybe he's showing the punch.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I'm not I wouldn't ever, But she doesn't want to fight.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Nobody wants to have to fight with Nancy Pelosi at
this time. You know what I have to do. He
made the decision for the country. My concern is not
about the president was about his campaign.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
That's a that's a difference without a distinction.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Oh my god, wouldn't you love to.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Be on a lifeboat with her with just a one
life preserver?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
I was a lifeguard for ten years and I know
how to do it, so sure anytime.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
No, I mean really, oh my gosh, no, wonder they're
not talking And what difference does it make at this
point anyway?
Speaker 6 (23:10):
But yeah, no, it doesn't. And I just when you
look back, that's the same treatment that he's gotten since.
I mean, I heard somewhere I don't even know where
it was, that since with that end of July weekend
where you know, someone, when he made his his his
announcement that he wouldn't be doing it. I heard that
Nancy Pelosi and some of the other people hadn't even
spoken to him until now. I don't know if that's
(23:31):
true or not.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But she hasn't spoken to him yet. She as I
understand it, oh, just.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
Through her little like, you know, wow, and so you know,
and you know, I'm not a big fan of the
Biden politics and all that, but I just thought the
way he got treated was just rude because they abused
him essentially for three and a half years, propping him
up and making them do their thing, and then all
of a sudden, oh gosh, well you know what you
got to go. I'm sure doctor Jill must be having
(23:56):
a bit of a conniption by now, but I just I, yeah,
that was just rude. It's he's old, it's way past
his bedtime. Let him go on first and do his
sing and get the heck out of there. And yeah, no,
I agree with you. I thought that was very very
unjust and very disrespectful treatment. And these are the same
group of Democrats we want running our country again.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, how about that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Well, it's it's almost as if it's like a mafia hit.
It's sort of like, you know, it's so like in
the you know, in The Godfather that you know, somebody
you know was very helpful and very useful, and he
did what people told him to do. But then there
came a point in time where he was going to
be a problem. Uh, and maybe they felt he was
weak and he was gonna maybe cut a deal, you know,
(24:43):
work work something out with with the with the the authorities,
and you know, he had to go. He had to go.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Well, and it does and it just it was they
they respected him and showed him all the respect until
all the time that he was not useful anymore, and
then they were they were absolutely rude about how they
did it. I mean, he's an old guy, he's a
feeling guy.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Mentally.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
It must is, it must really have hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I guess if you run with the big dogs, sometimes
the pack turns on you.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
And it is a pack of wolf hyenas. And I
don't know whatever else is out there, but wow, America,
be careful who you vote for.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Okay. I know who you're going to vote for. So
we'll get on all right, right, talked to you, okay,
my head tonight, Thank you so much, doctor. Good night,
all right, Lourie, good night. Six one seven two thirty
six one seven nine three one ten thirty. Those are
the two lines. I lean is in Waltham. I lean
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your next one nights. I'd welcome.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Good evening. How are you.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I'm doing great Aileen, thanks for checking in here. Did
did the Democrats do right by Joe Biden last night? No?
Speaker 6 (25:58):
And I think you made my point and you could
pay to a mafia hit. I have a question that
nobody has addressed, and it seems we missed these kind
of opportunities all the day. Why was the debate in
June instead of in September.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Now, what happened that question?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
It puts a whole different line on everything.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Well, here's what happened.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
Was a hit. It was a definite hit.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Okay, here's what happened if you recall, which is I
think really interesting. I'd let to know what other people
think about this. If you remember, one morning in early June,
Donald Trump had said he was looking forward to debating
Joe Biden anywhere, anytime, any place, And one morning the
White House released a videotape of Joe Biden said, and
(26:43):
he was very disrespectful to Trump. It was like, hey, Donald,
you said, anytime, anywhere, any place, I'm ready. Let's do
it make my day. He used that line the Clint
Eastwood line, he looked were tough and ready, And within
an hour CNN had offered the debate stage and Joe
(27:05):
Biden had accepted, and then Donald Trump accepted. Uh. And
remember some of the there was going to be no audience,
no noteo, yes, and there was going to be a
strict limit on time. So when someone's time was up,
it was up. Jake Tapper and Dana Bash treated Donald
(27:27):
Trump very respectfully.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
I think I listened to a little bit, but not
the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Well, I watched it as much as I could. I'd
listened to it because we were just as we played
Donald Trump's that debate and then we played his acceptance speech.
Will also play Vice President Harris's acceptance speech on Thursday night,
so you'll hear it here on Night Side as well.
But the point is when he came out, he looked
(27:55):
I looked awful, and he.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Looked, oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
The whole thing, I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
He was set up to He was set up. I
happen to agree with you. He was set up. He
was set up to fail.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
It was a hit, and I don't think the hit
began recently. I think this whole scenario was put in
place back in to sixteen.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I think that's good was just a holder.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
He was the hold of that.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
When I lean Aleen, you said to sixteen in to
sixteen he was. He basically decided.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
He wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yes, he wasn't there, right, he had been vice president of.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Eight years, and then he came back in Yep, he
came back into Parent. Everybody saw Philip was going to
win the Air of Parent and she didn't. And so
I really believed the powers that be, the control was
behind the Democratic Party started then saying Okay, what are we.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Going to do?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I'm agreeing with you, And what I was trying to
say was that in twenty twenty, I think the the
powers that be in the Democratic Party decided. If you
remember it, he became the nominee almost overnight. He had
finished fourth or fifth in New Hampshire, and he flew
to South Carolina and that Saturday he won decisively in
(29:25):
South Carolina thanks to the help of Congressman James Cliburne
Clive Burne, and immediately Pete Buddhajet flew to South Carolina
and endorsed him, and I think Amy Claubacher did and
that race was over. Based upon the South Carolina primary,
I think that was a set up as well. I
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think the.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Democrats one I really think it's a long term plan
and as you as you sent you it's a coup.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well, I didn't use the word coup that day.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Getting rid of Biden others doing them there.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I think she can hear me. There are others who
have used the word coup. I lean, and we talked
about that last that last night.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
I really think there's a concern. I think we're going
to wake up and ask what's really going on here.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Okay, let's see if people react to what you have
to say. I Lean, thank you very much for your call.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
The question is why and why and June.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Instead of in September.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Okay, we'll see what people say. Thank you. I Leen,
appreciate your call. Ran good night six one seven two
five four ten And I think she did a tough
time hearing me there, so I tried not to be interruptive.
If you'd like to join the conversation, and I really
wish you would six one seven, two five four ten
thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty. For
those of you who are interested, Michelle Obama is speaking
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the The husband of the Vice President, Doug M Hoff
has just spoken, and I suspect that missus Obama is
about to interview introduce the former president, and again I
think we're still here in prime time, although it is
getting a little lighter. But last night, remember Joe Biden
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didn't hit that stage until about ten thirty. I think
he was disrespected last night doesn't really matter at this point.
He is now in the review mirror for the Democrats.
And again, it's been a spectacular change, There's no doubt.
And I said last winter, I didn't think that we
(31:34):
were not going to have surprises. I said there would
be surprises. I did not anticipate that Joe Biden on
July twenty first would step away. So I'd love to know.
I want to talk politics tonight. You were more than
welcome to join the conversation. And if you're a new
call that's great. If you're an undecided caller, if you
truly aren't decided, I don't think there were too many
(31:55):
of you who are undecided at this point, and I
think most of you are either going to be huge
Trump supporters and vote for Donald Trump because you believe
in Donald Trump and everything that he represents, or on
the Democratic side, you have been energized. Now you were
a little reluctant to really throw your weight behind Joe
(32:16):
Biden again, but now you're energized.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
And it's it's also if the is this election I
think is becoming more and more about Donald Trump, and
I think that is the way that Democrats want to
play it.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
If you agree, wonderful. If you disagree, feel free join
the conversation back on Nightside right after this quick commercial break.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Now back to Dan Way live from the Window World
nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Back to the phones we go. Let me go to
Ross in Denham, Massachusetts. Hey, Ross, welcome, You're next on Nightside.
I'm being great Ross. What's your your question or comment tonight?
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Wh are you an gham? And just things? I am
a first time caller, but I can't lie. I worked no, no, no, no,
no no. I did work for wb Z ready for
three years. I enjoyed you.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You worked for BESY how long ago?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Early nineties?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Early nineties? Okay, well, I was in TV at the time.
Did we ever cross paths?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Probably in the men's room.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I mean, what did you do? If I could ask?
Speaker 4 (33:29):
I know I was in the traffic departments to commercial
commercial operations and then I went back to the enemy
for thirty years and I just retired.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
So who was the enemy?
Speaker 4 (33:41):
If I could ask Fox TV?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Oh my goodness, Okay, that's okay, they're not the enemy.
Their colleagues right ahead.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yeah, yeah. They grabbed me out of college and I
went there and buzzed over to BZ and I went
back to Fox.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Well, welcome as a first time caller. Do we give
We got round of applause for you, Thank you Forank Colin.
Are you undecided in this race or where are you.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Actually? I'm confused. In twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, I
voted for the Libertarian Cicut okay, because Bill Weld was
on the ticket, Yes he was. Yeah, so I went
with that route. I couldn't vote for a party, so
it's not going to work. Okay, excuse me, there's time around.
(34:33):
My question is to you is I've been looking at
the U. I guess the four figures behind you know,
the Democrats, Republicans. I didn't know if you had any
opinion on somebody like Jill Stein.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Well she's she's the Green Party candidates. He lives in
Lexington and she got a few votes. You know, these
third party candidates sometimes actually do surprisingly well. You know,
I again. The libertarian candidate in twenty twenty was a
woman named Joe Jorgenson. She got almost two million votes.
(35:19):
Oh that's a lot of votes, but no electoral votes.
Jill Stein in twenty sixteen, many people think that she
cost Hillary Clinton the election. She got almost a million
and a half votes. Gary Johnson was the libertarian in
twenty sixteen, got almost four and a half million votes.
(35:40):
So you know, if you it's those are small votes,
but they could mean a lot to one of the
major candidates. So you know, what where are you leaning
this time? Are you leaning to vote for? You're not
going to vote for for Harris or Trump?
Speaker 4 (35:55):
I assume no, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
No, Okay, you're going to find a third What about
rf K No, no, no, okay, okay, I.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Don't mean to laugh, but no, that's that's not gonna happen. Okay,
there's another guy out here, I don't know, fever bought him,
called all the Chase.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, he's the Libertarian candidate. He'll get a million votes
and you'll have no. I mean, it's a nice vote
to make if that's what you want to do, But
you're not gonna You're not gonna it's not going to
impact the election.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
No, not, it wonts. But I will ask you this question. Uh,
Let's say a bunch of us wrote here. Somebody who
I do like is uh Christy, Uh, Christy Chase. Let's
say you're right here, man.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Who I missed that?
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Who?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
He's one you're talking about, Chris Christy?
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Thank you? The guy from New Jersey. Yeah, thank you. Yeah,
but that's not gonna help.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I mean, you know, I'll tell you either either Trump
or Harris will win. Either Trump or Harris will win.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Right, But my question is if some of us will
in him, would that helped him get donations if he
wanted to go run for senator?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Not really?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I mean now, okay, I.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Don't think so. Yeah, yeah, I think ross that again.
It's a you know, the reality is that this country
is a two party, two party country, unlike the European
countries which have you know, coalition governments, or Israel, where
you have seven or eight major parties or minor parties.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Yeah right, yeah, so you have.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I mean in twenty sixteen, you had Joe Stein the
Green Party, you had Evan McMullan, an independent, uh, and
then there are other other groups that that are out
there too. You know, Gary Johnson was the Libertarian Party
candidate back then. But again if right, yeah, you know,
and again it can make a difference. I mean, if
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there's a significant vote in one state. Look, George Bush
never would have beat al Gore if Ralph Nader hadn't
bet on the ballot. You know how many votes Ralph
Nader got in Florida in two thousand. That was a
race in Florida where Bush won by five hundred and
twenty seven votes. You how many votes Nader got? But
(38:23):
take guess, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I do know.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Ninety ninety two thousand, Ross is the answer? Ninety two thousand,
which what percentage of those votes you think would have
gone Native's votes would have gone to al Gore as
opposed to George Bush?
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Oh, all of them?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Right? Al Gore would have been the President of United
States it had not been for Ralph Nator being on
the ballot.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
In California, his followers a spoiler would be lost. Parrot right, But.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Parot had no impact. I mean Perot got no electoral votes.
I don't know that he costs that have to go
back and look and see if he be cost George
Bush Particolah.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
I'm pretty sure he took photes away from Bush.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, well I think so. We got nineteen percent of
the vote. Ross, I got a run. Thank you very
much for your call. Great to renew an old friendship
here and keep calling the show. You no reason why
you can't becoming a second or a third time caller.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Okay, thanks well, great night.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
All right you two, here comes the eleven o'clock news.
Let's talk politics on the other side. I love to
hear from you. Feel free to join the conversation. You
have the number six one, seven, two, five, four to
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