September 3, 2024 • 40 mins
Gary Tanguay filled in on NightSide:
Tuesday marked 9 weeks until Election Day 2024 and political campaigns, the Trump/Vance ticket, and the Harris/Walz ticket are picking up the pace! Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump face off in their 1st and possibly only presidential debate next week. Sam Mettler, political junkie, Emmy Award winning producer, writer and comedian joined Gary to discuss!
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Tuesday marked 9 weeks until Election Day 2024 and political campaigns, the Trump/Vance ticket, and the Harris/Walz ticket are picking up the pace! Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump face off in their 1st and possibly only presidential debate next week. Sam Mettler, political junkie, Emmy Award winning producer, writer and comedian joined Gary to discuss!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm tell you easy
Boston Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
This just then, this, just then, Trump's pulling out of
New Hampshire. Sam Medler joining us. He is my friend,
the freak from the left coast, the moderate from Hollywood,
which makes him a reactionary in those hills. Sam Mettler,
my friend. Thank you for joining us here on Night Side.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Gary.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I am punchier than Rob Nikovich tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Well that is terrific because we're gonna have a great show.
We just you know, Chris Pauer. I do not Chris
Pauer is was on the wire. He was on True Blood,
played the He's great.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh ya ya yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, yah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So you know, I'd love to have character actors on.
We just had him on for an hour. He was great. Folks,
listen if you're just joining us now, listen to the
podcast tomorrow on the iHeartRadio app. By the way, we've
got the Trump Harris Big debate coming up on September tenth,
right here on WBC. You can hear it. It'll be
from Philadelphia. You can also listen to it on the
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iHeartRadio app. So, Sammy, what do you think must see
TV in the tenth how's it gonna be, Buddy, I
cannot wait for that. I think it's gonna be It's
gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Gary, I have to watch my language on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Hey, Rob, stand by stand by with uh with the
with the the bleep button.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It's gonna be No, I'm just gonna say the letter S.
It's gonna be an S show.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Of course it is.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
It's it's oh boy. These these are not two polished
old school debaters. No, you know that you might see
coming you know, out of Oxford or one of our
own Ivy League schools. This these are are two very
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unpolished politicians.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Absolutely. That's why it's gonna be great. It's gonna be
its hell. That's what I opened I gotta tell you.
I opened up the show saying, on one side, I
cannot wait because it's gonna be like watching reality TV,
it's like watching the Kardashians. On the other side, the
mature Gary goes, oh a screwed.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yes, yes, it's it's I'm not confident with either of
these two, you know, holding the nuclear codes.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Actually I'm more confident with Kamala holding the nuclear codes
because I know she would never use them even if
we were under nuclear attacking. I know, I mean, I
I do not. I don't trust either these two with
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domestic or foreign policy. I think that somewhere in between
we would have an excellent foreign policy. You know, Trump
is far too isolationist, right doesn't believe in NATO, which
is just foolish. You need friends in the world, gear
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you do, and and and then and and she is
a waiverer. She, you know, in this CNN interview, she
tries to have it both ways with saying, uh, you know,
Israel has a right to defend itself, but on the
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other hand, the Palestinians have a right to be safe.
And it's like what so who and how? I mean
Biden does the same thing. I mean, they're very angry
and ISRAELI is a very angry at net Yahoo too,
I mean, because of the six kids that were just killed.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Of course. I mean, but let's I want to stick
to Harris for a minute. And no, no, that's okay,
I mean that's I cry. I mean, I just it
may it brings tears to your eyes whenever you know
something you hear about another body. You more bodies being
found as a result of what's happened in the Middle East.
You bawl your eyes out, But you know, with Harris,
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you're right. Why isn't it okay to say I changed
my mind, for example, with the sanctuary cities. Just so
back in with the question with Databash, I think she
asked about the sanctuary cities how she was for them,
and then she says, well, I still maintain my position,
but I feel this way. Why can't people say they
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changed their mind? What is wrong with that?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
It's so easy to say that I've evolved, you know,
that was that was X amount of years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
And my policy, my policy now is this, And no one,
no one ever wants to be wrong. No one ever
wants to admit that they, you know, have a different
opinion that they than they used to have. I mean,
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it's it's actually, you look stronger when you admit that,
you know what, after facing X amount of years and
and the following moments in history, I've I've changed my mind,
or I've grown, or I've you know, I'm in a
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different place now.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I mean, Sammy, it's so simple because if you say
I was a member of Congress and I didn't have
a lot of experience, but after being in the White
House for three and a half years, I have witnessed
things and therefore I come to a different conclusion. That's
all you have to say. You don't even have to
admit you are wrong. You just say, look, I have
a different viewpoint based on my recent an experience. That's it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, you don't have to you don't have to go
that far. You can say my policy, my policy is this, right.
I mean you can go back years and and and
look at what I've said, right, but this is what
I'm saying right now.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Right, There's no doubt. There's no doubt. And here's my
Trump's greatest strength is her weakness, and her strength is
his weakness, because if you look at the fact checking him.
You know, with the CNN interview, there was a couple
of things like maybe she was borderline on this or that,
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but she was pretty much in the ballpark on everything.
But it was uh, it was lack of eye contact,
it was wavering. And then you have Trump that comes
out and says, yes, the Earth is flat and made
of cheese, you know. I mean it's it's like if
she could say things as emphatically as he does, she'd
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be in much better shape.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I don't know if you've you've heard this, but a
president should make a declarative statement. Yes, I do. I agree,
And she is an armor and and I have have tried,
because I'm an omor from way back. It's okay to
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pause in the middle of a sentence, but when you
it looks like you're grasping for anything.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And she, by the way, she kind of is grasping
for anything because she is not very good extemporaneously. Donald Donald,
excuse me, the former president, because I don't know. I'm
in a thing I shouldn't. I shouldn't come him.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, yeah, you hang out with aviator.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I mean, you know, you know Bill shadd what else
is in.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And oh yeah, I Donald and I were at the
same hair transplant doctor in the waiting room. Yes, he
was reading Highlights magazine and I was engaged in people
there you go, yeah, you know, he says things, and
he says them in a very forceful, declarative way, and
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people who don't care to really go into the details go,
you know what, God bless him. And then there's you
have to look at what's actually coming out of the mouth,
and a lot of it's awful, some of it is
true when and when it's broad right, because he's not
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a policy guy. Right. He doesn't speak in specifics, neither
of them do. You're not going to hear many specifics
in this debate, Gary, You're gonna hear generalities. Question well,
and I think they're going to talk more about the
other than they will talk about themselves.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Ought to be mud slinging, there's no question. And I
think she'll be very good at it.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Do you think she'll be very good?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I do because and you know something, And I'm gonna
tell you why, Sam. Okay, I'm going to tell you.
We're gonna take a break, and I am going to
tell you why I think she'll be good at slinging
the mud and why the Democrats want all the mics
to be on all the time. That's next on WBZ.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Radio, Gary Tagway for Dan rag toon I. Sam Methler
is our guest political analyst, Hollywood producer.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Moderate and my I'm on the edge of my seat
waiting for your reply.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You know what sucks. When you get older, you give
a tas three minutes ago and then you try to
remember what it was. No, here's my thing is when
I've seen Kamala speak when and she did it at
the convention, and I understand she has a teleprompter and
so forth, when she gets pissed and she doesn't think
she's fine, and that's what she did as an attorney,
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That's what she did as a DA You get up
and you go right now. So she gets on a
roll against Trump. She's not gonna try to be nice
like Hillary did. Hillary's problem is she was smiling and
she was trying to be nice and it just didn't work.
If Kamala gets pissed during this debate, it's gonna work
for her. And I think that's that when she tries
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to think and try to be too articulate and get
everything correct, it screws her up. She's just gotta go
and if you get something wrong, you get something wrong.
That's that's the Tagla take on that.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I disagree entirely because, Okay, because I have watched I
have watched the Madame Vice President speak in interviews, her
extemporaneous where she doesn't have the questions ahead of time.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And in the gase passionate.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, No, she's she's got trouble with ex temporaneous speaking.
And it's not I mean, she's an eloquent woman, right,
I mean she can speak well. She gets tongue tied,
she gets anxious. She looks for not the right words,
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but the right policy, or to say something and say
nothing at the same time.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Trump doesn't care if it's a lie. Right, he doesn't
care what he says, right, he just says it. She
cares about what she says. She's a careful person even
and she'll have a couple of cand lines that she'll
you know, repeat over and over again. Kalm a jerk,
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Colom a jerk. You know, she'll she'll be up there,
you know, the podium, repeating back all the things that
she has to that she has to say about them.
But you know, if she doesn't know the questions ahead
of time, she has a big problem. You know, they
both have big problems, right, because she doesn't have a
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record to run on, right, she has Biden's record. She
has Biden's record to run on. And people are not
happy with Biden. They're not happy with inflation, they're not
happy with foreign policy. Whether by the way, both people
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who are pro Israel both and people who are pro
Palestinian are unhappy with Biden both. Biden has one of
the lowest approval ratings of any president, although now his
approved rating is decent because he dropped out.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
But she Sam, let me ask you. I want to
hold you there. But on the Israel thing, how do
you win in that situation?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Oh? My god, you don't.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's it. I mean, that's when you say when you
don't the Palestinians the israel Is, I mean, how do
you win? You know, because you side and you want
to have peace.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Gary, I don't know what they could do with with
playing to both sides without looking to play both sides.
They're doing a lousy job of it. Whereas and they
have to keep and this is you know, this is
how you play it, Gary, You play it truthfully right
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the palace. There are many Palestinians who are victims, and
they're victims of Hamas, right, And Hamas is a terror organization, right,
And so you can you can absolutely uh say, uh net,
Yahoo is not doing enough to get the agreement done.
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But you have to talk about Hamas and how disgusting
they are, right, I mean they just killed You know,
Israel doesn't try to kill civilians. Civilians are killed in combat,
right and quite the contrary, Hamas goes for civilians. And
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that's I think that's the only way you can play it,
you know, blame it all on net Yahoo, blame more
on Hamas.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And butt Yahoo and they point to the elections. Is
not going to change his mind.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
No, I mean you just have to move on. I
mean you also have to say, it's very difficult for
an outside country to tell another country what to do,
how to conduct a war. It's also difficult to say
no to an ally that's important to us, as any
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of the NATO allies. And so I just don't. I
think we can't. We can't legislate what happens in someone
else's country. I mean, we can just keep ongoing by
providing support for any kind of peace.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But do you see do you think then, to continue
on your thought about how some of Biden's problems she inherited,
or the reputation of Biden she inherited, can she differentiate
herself enough.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
When no, when she says that she was the last
person in the room, right, for decisions being made. It's
awful hard to run from that record, right, And I
think that she has to has to have to do
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something to say I'm not him. And when I say him,
I'm not talking about Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I'm talking about that.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
There's no question, right because you can, like, I mean
all everything that I guarantee you, most of what she's
going to say is she's not him, and most of
what he's going to say is I'm not her.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Well, that's what politics has become. Though.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, it's terrible people.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It's not why you should vote for me, it's why
you should not vote for them.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Well, I would say that was the case in the
last election, no doubt. But Trump had a message in.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Sixteen, make America great again.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
He sees me in twenty and no, no in sixteen, right, right,
and uh and and the border and et cetera, right
and and uh uh uh the economy right, So he's
he's got to say because the numbers were better in
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the economy, so he can absolutely say I'm going to
go back to We're gonna We're going to go back
to the economy we had before Biden was in office,
and she before Kama was in office. Correct, Right, that's
what he has to do. But he can't just do that.
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He has to you know, call her names because he's
a child.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But right, well, you're right. I mean he if he
had followed the playbook, he will have had back to
back turns.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Uh. Yeah, all you have to do is shut up.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And follow the playbook. Just listen to presidential. Yeah, just
be Sam, thank you, be presidential. You've never said anything
more intelligent, my friend. But be presidential. It's so true.
Just be presidential.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
And he started off, he started off in his inaugural
speech being unpresidential. Right, everyone thought, oh, he's elected, he's
going to become presidential.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, right, No. And then you have Arlington, the whole
Arlington Cemetery, and the list goes on and on and
on and on.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Well, I mean Arlington, Arlington, I'm I am, I am
some Well, because I'm I'm very moderate, I have mixed
feelings about Arlington. Uh you know what those family I understand.
Now you know what you know what they think is Biden,
right and Harris. The families, they can't stand them.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, the families mean for people. Just to be clear,
The most recent issue is Trump was at a grave site.
Of a fallen soldier. The family requested he be there
and take pictures, which he was. He was helping out
the family. He was appeasing the family.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
So well, I will say it's a politically it was
a political move, but he had permission from the family.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
It's what he is the point. So you're saying there's
a gray area there. I agree. I didn't think that
was egregious as calling a dead soldier a loser. Yeah, Okay,
that's that's the one where I'm like, okay, I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
That's just terrible, awful, disgusting, terrible. Yeah. But you know,
Biden looked at his watch the entire time that these
people had when the bodies were brought back and he
met with the gold Star families I'm a tarmac and
looked at his watch multiple times and then lied about it.
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I mean, that's pretty horrendous.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
That's bad too, absolutely all right, Sam, So, I mean no,
I was going to say, but does any of this
mean that Kamala may not be a good president or
that Trump may not be a good president? And that's
what we're going to discuss coming up next to WBZ.
Sam Medler is our guest.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's night side with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Welcome back Gary Taguin for day tonight. Sam Medler joining
us here, the moderate from the West Coast, political analyst,
Hollywood producer, friend of Gary. That's all you need to
be tuckics of politics right here. And the reason we
have Sam hon is because I think he is one
of the most objective people when it comes to talking
politics and looking at both situations. So Sam, as I
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mentioned before the break, yep, just because Harris has had
the track record that she has, does that mean she'll
be a bad president.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
No, it doesn't, but you will be.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Okay, Okay, why.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Don't bring this up?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Let me, let me, let me just I'll give you,
give you time to chew on it. Because last night
we we had a presidential historian on and we talked
about presidents who everybody thought basically were going to suck.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And they didn't, right, like Hoover. I'm not Hoover Truman.
Did he talk about Truman?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Talked about Truman, Yes, of course, yeah, Truman, Yeah, yeah, no,
And then he went on to mention a lot of
presidents from the eighteen hundreds that I had never even
heard of. But that's another story. But but this was Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Lincoln was another one. People thought he was a stiff.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Well, but here's here's the thing. When it comes to this,
you need to have a moment. You know, Eisenhower had
a moment during the war. He didn't really have a
moment when he was there as president. You know, things
were going great. So Lincoln had a mom.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
What Gary, you were You were absolutely correct. Legacies are
built on adversity, right, And frankly, I don't want to
have I'd rather have a boring president and not have
trouble that the president has to pull us out of,
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you know, after you know, look at nine to eleven, right,
I mean, if Bush hadn't gone into Iraq, and I
mean w not not to God rest his soul, Herbert
Walker Bush, but if Bush hadn't gone into Iraq, he
would have finished off as a president with a legacy
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of I'll say a certain amount of heroism, right, because
immediately after that tragedy he was spectacular, by the way,
as was Rudy Giuliani. If Rudy Giuliani had had, you know,
walked into the sunset after nine to eleven, he would
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be remembered as the greatest mayor of all time.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I think about that often every time something comes up
about Giuliani and Chargers and not having money and this
and that, I go, what happened to this guy? He
was the hero? Yeah, now he's crazy?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. And you know, listen, there were
hints of it, There were hints of it prior.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
But he had in the moment like that, you know,
and w had the moment.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yes, yes, But you take.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
A look at presidents and are they are if they
listened to their advisors, if they do their job, handled
the role. Could she be successful?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Could she?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Sure? Do?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
I think that she's got it? No? And I only
base that on how she's been as vice president?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Sam with vice president? Yeah, did you know that?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
George?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
How about George Bush, the Herbert Walker? Did you did
his vice presidency tell you he was going to be
as a president?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
His demeanor did?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Okay, I got you?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
But but but but but she no, he was just
you know, Bush is a true moderate and and and
a lovely human being, but not like the strong strong
and and and when he said no new taxes that
really sunk him. But but uh kama, madam, Vice President.
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I keep calling them by their first names, and that terrible.
At least I do it to both, So I'm not sexist,
but she uh has had the most turnover, I believe
of any vice president and record staff turnover.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Okay, that's interesting, and that it just says a lot
as an executive or as the chief executive of her office,
to lose.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
That many people, and most of it, if not all,
of it was due to her not doing the very
basic stuff in terms of reading, her prep right, being
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prepared for interviews, not taking responsibility. And so yeah, I mean,
so do I look at that, and that gets me concerned.
You know, you look, you look at a guy like
Bill Clinton, right aside from his dalliances, he was a
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chief executive before, right, he was a governor. Most governors
make good Most governors make better presidents because they've already
been and mayors.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
R they've run an organization, agreed, the.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Chief executive she is not. And you sort of can
tell in the way she's.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You know, that's a very good point, Sam, I mean
it's not. You sort of can tell, as you put
it that way, You can tell, right, yeah, right, she's been.
She she's been a co star, not a star. Yeah,
she's a coast star, not a star. You know. And
then you know, even when you look at like the
governor from Philadelphia, from Pennsylvania, when he speaks, that guy's
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a star and he's a governor. Yeah, you know, and
he's just so okay about Trump. Is there anything that
would lead you to believe that if Trump selected, things
would be better this time around? And COVID decide he
had no control over that. He said some stupid things,
but take the pandemic out of the equation because he
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didn't have any control over that.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Oh he wants shame on you. Fool me twice, shame
on me, fool me one hundred times. I need to
be put in an institution. No, there's nothing that you
can say to make me think that he's going to
be presidential.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Ever, how about good enough? How about that? How about
better than Kamala? How about better than Vice President Harris?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I think as a chief executive he could be better,
but as a human being, he's not better. And the
media hates him, and so there is this there is
this anger, and there is this divisiveness, and both share blame.
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He shares more because as the president he needed to
be a bigger person and that divide is not going
to come from him nor from the media. This is
what I think is Kamala's most most important role and
most important job I should say in this debate is
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to convince people that she is everyone's president, that she
is moderate enough that the most important things you care about,
she's got you. And that is tough because of what's
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going on in the economy, especially right and people listen,
the groceries are expensive, gas is expensive. But she's got
to find a way. And I don't exactly know what
that is, right, And it's not I'm going to end
price gadging because that's not the real I mean, it's
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it's like communism, and it's not the reason why everything
is up.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
When she said that, I squirmed. What about if interest
rates come down? Part of the election?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Oh, that's I mean, that is interest rates huge deal.
People can't buy houses. I mean, the thing is and
I know Nicholas Christoph had an excellent opinion article on
the thirty first in The Times New York Times, right,
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which was Saturday, and he quoted Bill Clinton and Bill
Clinton learned something that his wife Hillary never learned, right,
and it was that you can demean Trump, but don't
demean his voters, right right. You know he said this
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in the in the DNC convention Clinton, you know, and
God bless him. He's the last president to reach across
party lines. He said, I urge you not to demean them,
meaning people that Trump supporters, not to pretend you don't
disagree with them if you do, but treat them with respect.
And Kamala can't sound two oh my friends. Yes, my
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friends used to call it fiddy what fiditti, which is
high falutin in other in other vernacular. Yes, yes, she
can't sound. She can't sound like an elitist. And she
has to understand why people vote for him and tell
them I get why you vote for him, right because
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you think that he is going to do X, Y
and Z, right, but he's not. And I am, and
this is how I'm going to do it.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
She's really trying to go for the middle class. Obviously,
a tax break for new parents four million, four hundred
thousand for a child. Do you think that's going to translate?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
She keeps saying tax breaks, which is something that Democrats
don't like to talk about.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, so you're saying that she should continue that. I mean,
that's what she talked about, absolutely, right.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I mean, the only way the government can really help
people is by letting them keep their own money.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, yeah, uh.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
And and and and then maybe that they have more
money to pay for the groceries that are too high,
and maybe things will come to competition, breeds, lower prices,
price controls, don't. I mean, listen, Trump is not conservative
at all, right, tariffs. No conservative believes in tariffs.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Right right, right, right, right right right.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And Trump's and no conservative has ever been as isolationist
as Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
True. Do you think Trump's wavering on abortion and sending
it to the state wavering? We're not wavering, but no,
But I I mean because some people want like a
ban across the board, and he says, no, leave it
to the states.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
If you don't think Trump has paid for an abortion
or two in your time, I mean, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Right,
I'll get letters, send them to me.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Will forward into your buddy.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, but he he does not. He is not a
pro life guy. He's not a conservative.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
He's not He's no, he's not a conservative. You're right,
I mean, you're right. I mean he is business wise.
He wants tax breaks for the rich.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
But you know, right, right, But he's not a social conservative.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Oh god no.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
And and and he will do whatever he can to
stay off of the abortion stuff because it is his
Supreme Court that overturned Roe v.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Wade.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
And it's it's he's just kind of keep saying, it's
the States, it's the States, it's the states. I'm not
for a national band. It's for the states to say.
And the Republicans have gotten too far because true conservatives
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really don't believe in getting in people's personal lives. Right,
But there's there's a lot of religion in republics.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
They have to handle the religious right, and that's that's
where they have to appease that. And and there's no
doubt about that. Sam, I'm gonna wrap things up. I
want to talk about the rules coming up for the debate.
And also we have a touched on the border, and
I have an opinion on that. Sam Metler, the moderate
from Hollywood, continues after this in WBZ.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Political analysts Sam Medler joining us, also Hollywood producer in
Front of Gary back here on night Side. We're going
to take calls coming up at eleven o'clock after the
eleven o'clock news. I want to know what you think
of the debate rules and how it should be run,
and Sam and I are going to talk about that
and also get to the border here too. But from
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what I understand and what I've read in regard to
the ABC debate that's coming up on the tenth, Sam,
the Harris camp wants unmuted mics, you know, open season.
The Trump camp wants the muted mics and wants a
little more decorum because they want to protect their guy
from himself. You need a studio audience, I mean the CNN.
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You need a studio audience. Come on. And I'm okay
that they don't have to you know, they don't have
to talk to people in breaks that they have to.
You know, they have to be big, you know, they
have to be grown ups and do this thing on
their own. But I want a studio audience, and I
want unmuted mics. What do you think.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I want unmuted mikes? Absolutely right now she has uh
said they will keep their mics muted, but uh, you
know that could change, but I don't think it will
because I think that the you know, ABC wants to
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control things and not have them get into shining fights
and and you know, have the debate taken up with
with you know, childish crap.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Well, we can't trust them, I guess is what we're saying.
We can't. Well, we can't trust him, we can't trust him,
you can't trust him.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
But you know, I think she would still do this,
you know, I think.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Would Jabs.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, she would try to bait him totally if if
she if she, I mean, the smart thing is to
try to bait him by the way, uh and and
and yeah, and and just let him look silly grasping.
I don't know if she has that in her. Yeah,
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I don't know if she does.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Dude, I think she can. I think she. I think
she can. I think she can play Gabber a little bit.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Telca Gabbert tore her apart, I know, and uh, Donald
Trump is note Telca Gabbert.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
She could learn from that, though I don't know. I
think she has to. Quite frankly, I think her supporters
expect her to do it and to get somebody. And
I don't even know Sam I mean, does let me
ask you this, does the debate matter as far as
the undecided? Are there any undecided?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Really?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yes, this is a tough This is a tough election,
especially if you are a person who is saying, I
don't like either of these guys, but I can't afford
done right right and and they're just a lot of
people like that right now. And I think that that's
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not what the polls are showing. He's more trusted on
the economy as much of the baggage. And I can listen,
I can't. I can't take his baggage. It's awful. I'm
not voting for him. I'm not voting for her either,
by the way, But I mean he comes with a
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lot of emotional baggage, which she doesn't. But she has
to convince people that she's going to bring this, you know,
economy to where they even if she doesn't have the kind.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Of power to do right. But I mean, if they
lower interest rates, doesn't that help the economy?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Hell yeah right, it's lower them.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I mean, it doesn't really matter who the president is.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I I I think that they
have ABC has good debate moderators as well. I mean,
I think I think you can I think you can
trust well, I'll say David Yure especially, he is very
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very close to the VEST. He's not a guy that
editorializes the news very much. I think Lindsey Davis, I think.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
A little bit. But what do you guys to the left?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean she I remember when she
tried to tie Trump to the KKK. And it's just
you know, listen, there's plenty to say about him in
you know, his ill tempered racial talk. It doesn't matter
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what he's talking about, by the way, it could be
wish people, could be black people, it could be Latino people.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
I mean, he he does discrimination exactly, but you know,
he's not connected to the KKK.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
And uh, it's uh. I think she's a little a
little left. But guess you know, guess what the ABC
has George Stephanopolis, who should never be a debate moderator, right,
I mean, he was Clinton's chief of staff. Do not
all all of these people that are on the news
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now they're from political.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
They're all that's It's like the ex athlete. The ex
athlete goes into the booth, the x politician goes behind
the desk.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yes, the the ex athlete. You can tell, you know
if if Poppy you know, is covering the series and
the Socks are in it, you know he was rooting
for the socks.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
The ramifications are not as bad, Sam, exactly. We gotta go, buddy.
It's always great to talk to you. Thank you for
the insight, thank you for the objectivity. Best of the fam,
uh and with you and we will talk to you soon,
my friend.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Good night Boston.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
He is Sam Mettler. He is the moderate from Hollywood,
the only one out there, and we love him here
at WBZ. Your call is coming up next. How should
the debate be run? What do you want to see?
I'll let you know what the rules currently are, let
me know what you think of them and should they
be changed at six one seven, two thirty on wbz's
(40:37):
Night Side
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm tell you easy
Boston Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
This just then, this, just then, Trump's pulling out of
New Hampshire. Sam Medler joining us. He is my friend,
the freak from the left coast, the moderate from Hollywood,
which makes him a reactionary in those hills. Sam Mettler,
my friend. Thank you for joining us here on Night Side.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Gary.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I am punchier than Rob Nikovich tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Well that is terrific because we're gonna have a great show.
We just you know, Chris Pauer. I do not Chris
Pauer is was on the wire. He was on True Blood,
played the He's great.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh ya ya yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, yah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So you know, I'd love to have character actors on.
We just had him on for an hour. He was great. Folks,
listen if you're just joining us now, listen to the
podcast tomorrow on the iHeartRadio app. By the way, we've
got the Trump Harris Big debate coming up on September tenth,
right here on WBC. You can hear it. It'll be
from Philadelphia. You can also listen to it on the
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iHeartRadio app. So, Sammy, what do you think must see
TV in the tenth how's it gonna be, Buddy, I
cannot wait for that. I think it's gonna be It's
gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Gary, I have to watch my language on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Hey, Rob, stand by stand by with uh with the
with the the bleep button.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It's gonna be No, I'm just gonna say the letter S.
It's gonna be an S show.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Of course it is.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
It's it's oh boy. These these are not two polished
old school debaters. No, you know that you might see
coming you know, out of Oxford or one of our
own Ivy League schools. This these are are two very
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unpolished politicians.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Absolutely. That's why it's gonna be great. It's gonna be
its hell. That's what I opened I gotta tell you.
I opened up the show saying, on one side, I
cannot wait because it's gonna be like watching reality TV,
it's like watching the Kardashians. On the other side, the
mature Gary goes, oh a screwed.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yes, yes, it's it's I'm not confident with either of
these two, you know, holding the nuclear codes.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Actually I'm more confident with Kamala holding the nuclear codes
because I know she would never use them even if
we were under nuclear attacking. I know, I mean, I
I do not. I don't trust either these two with
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domestic or foreign policy. I think that somewhere in between
we would have an excellent foreign policy. You know, Trump
is far too isolationist, right doesn't believe in NATO, which
is just foolish. You need friends in the world, gear
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you do, and and and then and and she is
a waiverer. She, you know, in this CNN interview, she
tries to have it both ways with saying, uh, you know,
Israel has a right to defend itself, but on the
(03:40):
other hand, the Palestinians have a right to be safe.
And it's like what so who and how? I mean
Biden does the same thing. I mean, they're very angry
and ISRAELI is a very angry at net Yahoo too,
I mean, because of the six kids that were just killed.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Of course. I mean, but let's I want to stick
to Harris for a minute. And no, no, that's okay,
I mean that's I cry. I mean, I just it
may it brings tears to your eyes whenever you know
something you hear about another body. You more bodies being
found as a result of what's happened in the Middle East.
You bawl your eyes out, But you know, with Harris,
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you're right. Why isn't it okay to say I changed
my mind, for example, with the sanctuary cities. Just so
back in with the question with Databash, I think she
asked about the sanctuary cities how she was for them,
and then she says, well, I still maintain my position,
but I feel this way. Why can't people say they
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changed their mind? What is wrong with that?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
It's so easy to say that I've evolved, you know,
that was that was X amount of years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
And my policy, my policy now is this, And no one,
no one ever wants to be wrong. No one ever
wants to admit that they, you know, have a different
opinion that they than they used to have. I mean,
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it's it's actually, you look stronger when you admit that,
you know what, after facing X amount of years and
and the following moments in history, I've I've changed my mind,
or I've grown, or I've you know, I'm in a
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different place now.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I mean, Sammy, it's so simple because if you say
I was a member of Congress and I didn't have
a lot of experience, but after being in the White
House for three and a half years, I have witnessed
things and therefore I come to a different conclusion. That's
all you have to say. You don't even have to
admit you are wrong. You just say, look, I have
a different viewpoint based on my recent an experience. That's it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, you don't have to you don't have to go
that far. You can say my policy, my policy is this, right.
I mean you can go back years and and and
look at what I've said, right, but this is what
I'm saying right now.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Right, There's no doubt. There's no doubt. And here's my
Trump's greatest strength is her weakness, and her strength is
his weakness, because if you look at the fact checking him.
You know, with the CNN interview, there was a couple
of things like maybe she was borderline on this or that,
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but she was pretty much in the ballpark on everything.
But it was uh, it was lack of eye contact,
it was wavering. And then you have Trump that comes
out and says, yes, the Earth is flat and made
of cheese, you know. I mean it's it's like if
she could say things as emphatically as he does, she'd
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be in much better shape.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I don't know if you've you've heard this, but a
president should make a declarative statement. Yes, I do. I agree,
And she is an armor and and I have have tried,
because I'm an omor from way back. It's okay to
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pause in the middle of a sentence, but when you
it looks like you're grasping for anything.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And she, by the way, she kind of is grasping
for anything because she is not very good extemporaneously. Donald Donald,
excuse me, the former president, because I don't know. I'm
in a thing I shouldn't. I shouldn't come him.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, yeah, you hang out with aviator.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I mean, you know, you know Bill shadd what else
is in.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
And oh yeah, I Donald and I were at the
same hair transplant doctor in the waiting room. Yes, he
was reading Highlights magazine and I was engaged in people
there you go, yeah, you know, he says things, and
he says them in a very forceful, declarative way, and
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people who don't care to really go into the details go,
you know what, God bless him. And then there's you
have to look at what's actually coming out of the mouth,
and a lot of it's awful, some of it is
true when and when it's broad right, because he's not
(08:51):
a policy guy. Right. He doesn't speak in specifics, neither
of them do. You're not going to hear many specifics
in this debate, Gary, You're gonna hear generalities. Question well,
and I think they're going to talk more about the
other than they will talk about themselves.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Ought to be mud slinging, there's no question. And I
think she'll be very good at it.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Do you think she'll be very good?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I do because and you know something, And I'm gonna
tell you why, Sam. Okay, I'm going to tell you.
We're gonna take a break, and I am going to
tell you why I think she'll be good at slinging
the mud and why the Democrats want all the mics
to be on all the time. That's next on WBZ.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Radio, Gary Tagway for Dan rag toon I. Sam Methler
is our guest political analyst, Hollywood producer.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Moderate and my I'm on the edge of my seat
waiting for your reply.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You know what sucks. When you get older, you give
a tas three minutes ago and then you try to
remember what it was. No, here's my thing is when
I've seen Kamala speak when and she did it at
the convention, and I understand she has a teleprompter and
so forth, when she gets pissed and she doesn't think
she's fine, and that's what she did as an attorney,
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That's what she did as a DA You get up
and you go right now. So she gets on a
roll against Trump. She's not gonna try to be nice
like Hillary did. Hillary's problem is she was smiling and
she was trying to be nice and it just didn't work.
If Kamala gets pissed during this debate, it's gonna work
for her. And I think that's that when she tries
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to think and try to be too articulate and get
everything correct, it screws her up. She's just gotta go
and if you get something wrong, you get something wrong.
That's that's the Tagla take on that.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I disagree entirely because, Okay, because I have watched I
have watched the Madame Vice President speak in interviews, her
extemporaneous where she doesn't have the questions ahead of time.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And in the gase passionate.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, No, she's she's got trouble with ex temporaneous speaking.
And it's not I mean, she's an eloquent woman, right,
I mean she can speak well. She gets tongue tied,
she gets anxious. She looks for not the right words,
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but the right policy, or to say something and say
nothing at the same time.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Trump doesn't care if it's a lie. Right, he doesn't
care what he says, right, he just says it. She
cares about what she says. She's a careful person even
and she'll have a couple of cand lines that she'll
you know, repeat over and over again. Kalm a jerk,
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Colom a jerk. You know, she'll she'll be up there,
you know, the podium, repeating back all the things that
she has to that she has to say about them.
But you know, if she doesn't know the questions ahead
of time, she has a big problem. You know, they
both have big problems, right, because she doesn't have a
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record to run on, right, she has Biden's record. She
has Biden's record to run on. And people are not
happy with Biden. They're not happy with inflation, they're not
happy with foreign policy. Whether by the way, both people
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who are pro Israel both and people who are pro
Palestinian are unhappy with Biden both. Biden has one of
the lowest approval ratings of any president, although now his
approved rating is decent because he dropped out.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
But she Sam, let me ask you. I want to
hold you there. But on the Israel thing, how do
you win in that situation?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Oh? My god, you don't.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's it. I mean, that's when you say when you
don't the Palestinians the israel Is, I mean, how do
you win? You know, because you side and you want
to have peace.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Gary, I don't know what they could do with with
playing to both sides without looking to play both sides.
They're doing a lousy job of it. Whereas and they
have to keep and this is you know, this is
how you play it, Gary, You play it truthfully right
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the palace. There are many Palestinians who are victims, and
they're victims of Hamas, right, And Hamas is a terror organization, right,
And so you can you can absolutely uh say, uh net,
Yahoo is not doing enough to get the agreement done.
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But you have to talk about Hamas and how disgusting
they are, right, I mean they just killed You know,
Israel doesn't try to kill civilians. Civilians are killed in combat,
right and quite the contrary, Hamas goes for civilians. And
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that's I think that's the only way you can play it,
you know, blame it all on net Yahoo, blame more
on Hamas.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And butt Yahoo and they point to the elections. Is
not going to change his mind.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
No, I mean you just have to move on. I
mean you also have to say, it's very difficult for
an outside country to tell another country what to do,
how to conduct a war. It's also difficult to say
no to an ally that's important to us, as any
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of the NATO allies. And so I just don't. I
think we can't. We can't legislate what happens in someone
else's country. I mean, we can just keep ongoing by
providing support for any kind of peace.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But do you see do you think then, to continue
on your thought about how some of Biden's problems she inherited,
or the reputation of Biden she inherited, can she differentiate
herself enough.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
When no, when she says that she was the last
person in the room, right, for decisions being made. It's
awful hard to run from that record, right, And I
think that she has to has to have to do
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something to say I'm not him. And when I say him,
I'm not talking about Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I'm talking about that.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
There's no question, right because you can, like, I mean
all everything that I guarantee you, most of what she's
going to say is she's not him, and most of
what he's going to say is I'm not her.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Well, that's what politics has become. Though.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, it's terrible people.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It's not why you should vote for me, it's why
you should not vote for them.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Well, I would say that was the case in the
last election, no doubt. But Trump had a message in.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Sixteen, make America great again.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
He sees me in twenty and no, no in sixteen, right, right,
and uh and and the border and et cetera, right
and and uh uh uh the economy right, So he's
he's got to say because the numbers were better in
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the economy, so he can absolutely say I'm going to
go back to We're gonna We're going to go back
to the economy we had before Biden was in office,
and she before Kama was in office. Correct, Right, that's
what he has to do. But he can't just do that.
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He has to you know, call her names because he's
a child.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
But right, well, you're right. I mean he if he
had followed the playbook, he will have had back to
back turns.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Uh. Yeah, all you have to do is shut up.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And follow the playbook. Just listen to presidential. Yeah, just
be Sam, thank you, be presidential. You've never said anything
more intelligent, my friend. But be presidential. It's so true.
Just be presidential.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
And he started off, he started off in his inaugural
speech being unpresidential. Right, everyone thought, oh, he's elected, he's
going to become presidential.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, right, No. And then you have Arlington, the whole
Arlington Cemetery, and the list goes on and on and
on and on.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Well, I mean Arlington, Arlington, I'm I am, I am
some Well, because I'm I'm very moderate, I have mixed
feelings about Arlington. Uh you know what those family I understand.
Now you know what you know what they think is Biden,
right and Harris. The families, they can't stand them.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, the families mean for people. Just to be clear,
The most recent issue is Trump was at a grave site.
Of a fallen soldier. The family requested he be there
and take pictures, which he was. He was helping out
the family. He was appeasing the family.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
So well, I will say it's a politically it was
a political move, but he had permission from the family.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
It's what he is the point. So you're saying there's
a gray area there. I agree. I didn't think that
was egregious as calling a dead soldier a loser. Yeah, Okay,
that's that's the one where I'm like, okay, I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
That's just terrible, awful, disgusting, terrible. Yeah. But you know,
Biden looked at his watch the entire time that these
people had when the bodies were brought back and he
met with the gold Star families I'm a tarmac and
looked at his watch multiple times and then lied about it.
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I mean, that's pretty horrendous.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
That's bad too, absolutely all right, Sam, So, I mean no,
I was going to say, but does any of this
mean that Kamala may not be a good president or
that Trump may not be a good president? And that's
what we're going to discuss coming up next to WBZ.
Sam Medler is our guest.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
It's night side with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Welcome back Gary Taguin for day tonight. Sam Medler joining
us here, the moderate from the West Coast, political analyst,
Hollywood producer, friend of Gary. That's all you need to
be tuckics of politics right here. And the reason we
have Sam hon is because I think he is one
of the most objective people when it comes to talking
politics and looking at both situations. So Sam, as I
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mentioned before the break, yep, just because Harris has had
the track record that she has, does that mean she'll
be a bad president.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
No, it doesn't, but you will be.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Okay, Okay, why.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Don't bring this up?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Let me, let me, let me just I'll give you,
give you time to chew on it. Because last night
we we had a presidential historian on and we talked
about presidents who everybody thought basically were going to suck.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And they didn't, right, like Hoover. I'm not Hoover Truman.
Did he talk about Truman?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Talked about Truman, Yes, of course, yeah, Truman, Yeah, yeah, no,
And then he went on to mention a lot of
presidents from the eighteen hundreds that I had never even
heard of. But that's another story. But but this was Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Lincoln was another one. People thought he was a stiff.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Well, but here's here's the thing. When it comes to this,
you need to have a moment. You know, Eisenhower had
a moment during the war. He didn't really have a
moment when he was there as president. You know, things
were going great. So Lincoln had a mom.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
What Gary, you were You were absolutely correct. Legacies are
built on adversity, right, And frankly, I don't want to
have I'd rather have a boring president and not have
trouble that the president has to pull us out of,
(22:22):
you know, after you know, look at nine to eleven, right,
I mean, if Bush hadn't gone into Iraq, and I
mean w not not to God rest his soul, Herbert
Walker Bush, but if Bush hadn't gone into Iraq, he
would have finished off as a president with a legacy
(22:43):
of I'll say a certain amount of heroism, right, because
immediately after that tragedy he was spectacular, by the way,
as was Rudy Giuliani. If Rudy Giuliani had had, you know,
walked into the sunset after nine to eleven, he would
(23:04):
be remembered as the greatest mayor of all time.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I think about that often every time something comes up
about Giuliani and Chargers and not having money and this
and that, I go, what happened to this guy? He
was the hero? Yeah, now he's crazy?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. And you know, listen, there were
hints of it, There were hints of it prior.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
But he had in the moment like that, you know,
and w had the moment.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yes, yes, But you take.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
A look at presidents and are they are if they
listened to their advisors, if they do their job, handled
the role. Could she be successful?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Could she?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Sure? Do?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
I think that she's got it? No? And I only
base that on how she's been as vice president?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Sam with vice president? Yeah, did you know that?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
George?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
How about George Bush, the Herbert Walker? Did you did
his vice presidency tell you he was going to be
as a president?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
His demeanor did?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Okay, I got you?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
But but but but but she no, he was just
you know, Bush is a true moderate and and and
a lovely human being, but not like the strong strong
and and and when he said no new taxes that
really sunk him. But but uh kama, madam, Vice President.
(24:40):
I keep calling them by their first names, and that terrible.
At least I do it to both, So I'm not sexist,
but she uh has had the most turnover, I believe
of any vice president and record staff turnover.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Okay, that's interesting, and that it just says a lot
as an executive or as the chief executive of her office,
to lose.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
That many people, and most of it, if not all,
of it was due to her not doing the very
basic stuff in terms of reading, her prep right, being
(25:27):
prepared for interviews, not taking responsibility. And so yeah, I mean,
so do I look at that, and that gets me concerned.
You know, you look, you look at a guy like
Bill Clinton, right aside from his dalliances, he was a
(25:51):
chief executive before, right, he was a governor. Most governors
make good Most governors make better presidents because they've already
been and mayors.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
R they've run an organization, agreed, the.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Chief executive she is not. And you sort of can
tell in the way she's.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You know, that's a very good point, Sam, I mean
it's not. You sort of can tell, as you put
it that way, You can tell, right, yeah, right, she's been.
She she's been a co star, not a star. Yeah,
she's a coast star, not a star. You know. And
then you know, even when you look at like the
governor from Philadelphia, from Pennsylvania, when he speaks, that guy's
(26:34):
a star and he's a governor. Yeah, you know, and
he's just so okay about Trump. Is there anything that
would lead you to believe that if Trump selected, things
would be better this time around? And COVID decide he
had no control over that. He said some stupid things,
but take the pandemic out of the equation because he
(26:56):
didn't have any control over that.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Oh he wants shame on you. Fool me twice, shame
on me, fool me one hundred times. I need to
be put in an institution. No, there's nothing that you
can say to make me think that he's going to
be presidential.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Ever, how about good enough? How about that? How about
better than Kamala? How about better than Vice President Harris?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I think as a chief executive he could be better,
but as a human being, he's not better. And the
media hates him, and so there is this there is
this anger, and there is this divisiveness, and both share blame.
(27:45):
He shares more because as the president he needed to
be a bigger person and that divide is not going
to come from him nor from the media. This is
what I think is Kamala's most most important role and
most important job I should say in this debate is
(28:10):
to convince people that she is everyone's president, that she
is moderate enough that the most important things you care about,
she's got you. And that is tough because of what's
(28:30):
going on in the economy, especially right and people listen,
the groceries are expensive, gas is expensive. But she's got
to find a way. And I don't exactly know what
that is, right, And it's not I'm going to end
price gadging because that's not the real I mean, it's
(28:52):
it's like communism, and it's not the reason why everything
is up.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
When she said that, I squirmed. What about if interest
rates come down? Part of the election?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Oh, that's I mean, that is interest rates huge deal.
People can't buy houses. I mean, the thing is and
I know Nicholas Christoph had an excellent opinion article on
the thirty first in The Times New York Times, right,
(29:25):
which was Saturday, and he quoted Bill Clinton and Bill
Clinton learned something that his wife Hillary never learned, right,
and it was that you can demean Trump, but don't
demean his voters, right right. You know he said this
(29:48):
in the in the DNC convention Clinton, you know, and
God bless him. He's the last president to reach across
party lines. He said, I urge you not to demean them,
meaning people that Trump supporters, not to pretend you don't
disagree with them if you do, but treat them with respect.
And Kamala can't sound two oh my friends. Yes, my
(30:15):
friends used to call it fiddy what fiditti, which is
high falutin in other in other vernacular. Yes, yes, she
can't sound. She can't sound like an elitist. And she
has to understand why people vote for him and tell
them I get why you vote for him, right because
(30:37):
you think that he is going to do X, Y
and Z, right, but he's not. And I am, and
this is how I'm going to do it.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
She's really trying to go for the middle class. Obviously,
a tax break for new parents four million, four hundred
thousand for a child. Do you think that's going to translate?
Speaker 3 (30:58):
She keeps saying tax breaks, which is something that Democrats
don't like to talk about.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, so you're saying that she should continue that. I mean,
that's what she talked about, absolutely, right.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I mean, the only way the government can really help
people is by letting them keep their own money.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, yeah, uh.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
And and and and then maybe that they have more
money to pay for the groceries that are too high,
and maybe things will come to competition, breeds, lower prices,
price controls, don't. I mean, listen, Trump is not conservative
at all, right, tariffs. No conservative believes in tariffs.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Right right, right, right, right right right.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And Trump's and no conservative has ever been as isolationist
as Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
True. Do you think Trump's wavering on abortion and sending
it to the state wavering? We're not wavering, but no,
But I I mean because some people want like a
ban across the board, and he says, no, leave it
to the states.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
If you don't think Trump has paid for an abortion
or two in your time, I mean, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Right,
I'll get letters, send them to me.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Will forward into your buddy.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, but he he does not. He is not a
pro life guy. He's not a conservative.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
He's not He's no, he's not a conservative. You're right,
I mean, you're right. I mean he is business wise.
He wants tax breaks for the rich.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
But you know, right, right, But he's not a social conservative.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Oh god no.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
And and and he will do whatever he can to
stay off of the abortion stuff because it is his
Supreme Court that overturned Roe v.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Wade.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
And it's it's he's just kind of keep saying, it's
the States, it's the States, it's the states. I'm not
for a national band. It's for the states to say.
And the Republicans have gotten too far because true conservatives
(33:21):
really don't believe in getting in people's personal lives. Right,
But there's there's a lot of religion in republics.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
They have to handle the religious right, and that's that's
where they have to appease that. And and there's no
doubt about that. Sam, I'm gonna wrap things up. I
want to talk about the rules coming up for the debate.
And also we have a touched on the border, and
I have an opinion on that. Sam Metler, the moderate
from Hollywood, continues after this in WBZ.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Political analysts Sam Medler joining us, also Hollywood producer in
Front of Gary back here on night Side. We're going
to take calls coming up at eleven o'clock after the
eleven o'clock news. I want to know what you think
of the debate rules and how it should be run,
and Sam and I are going to talk about that
and also get to the border here too. But from
(34:13):
what I understand and what I've read in regard to
the ABC debate that's coming up on the tenth, Sam,
the Harris camp wants unmuted mics, you know, open season.
The Trump camp wants the muted mics and wants a
little more decorum because they want to protect their guy
from himself. You need a studio audience, I mean the CNN.
(34:36):
You need a studio audience. Come on. And I'm okay
that they don't have to you know, they don't have
to talk to people in breaks that they have to.
You know, they have to be big, you know, they
have to be grown ups and do this thing on
their own. But I want a studio audience, and I
want unmuted mics. What do you think.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I want unmuted mikes? Absolutely right now she has uh
said they will keep their mics muted, but uh, you
know that could change, but I don't think it will
because I think that the you know, ABC wants to
(35:16):
control things and not have them get into shining fights
and and you know, have the debate taken up with
with you know, childish crap.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Well, we can't trust them, I guess is what we're saying.
We can't. Well, we can't trust him, we can't trust him,
you can't trust him.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
But you know, I think she would still do this,
you know, I think.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Would Jabs.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah, she would try to bait him totally if if
she if she, I mean, the smart thing is to
try to bait him by the way, uh and and
and yeah, and and just let him look silly grasping.
I don't know if she has that in her. Yeah,
(36:04):
I don't know if she does.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Dude, I think she can. I think she. I think
she can. I think she can play Gabber a little bit.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Telca Gabbert tore her apart, I know, and uh, Donald
Trump is note Telca Gabbert.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
She could learn from that, though I don't know. I
think she has to. Quite frankly, I think her supporters
expect her to do it and to get somebody. And
I don't even know Sam I mean, does let me
ask you this, does the debate matter as far as
the undecided? Are there any undecided?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Really?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yes, this is a tough This is a tough election,
especially if you are a person who is saying, I
don't like either of these guys, but I can't afford
done right right and and they're just a lot of
people like that right now. And I think that that's
(37:07):
not what the polls are showing. He's more trusted on
the economy as much of the baggage. And I can listen,
I can't. I can't take his baggage. It's awful. I'm
not voting for him. I'm not voting for her either,
by the way, But I mean he comes with a
(37:31):
lot of emotional baggage, which she doesn't. But she has
to convince people that she's going to bring this, you know,
economy to where they even if she doesn't have the kind.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Of power to do right. But I mean, if they
lower interest rates, doesn't that help the economy?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Hell yeah right, it's lower them.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I mean, it doesn't really matter who the president is.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I I I think that they
have ABC has good debate moderators as well. I mean,
I think I think you can I think you can
trust well, I'll say David Yure especially, he is very
(38:17):
very close to the VEST. He's not a guy that
editorializes the news very much. I think Lindsey Davis, I think.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
A little bit. But what do you guys to the left?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean she I remember when she
tried to tie Trump to the KKK. And it's just
you know, listen, there's plenty to say about him in
you know, his ill tempered racial talk. It doesn't matter
(38:58):
what he's talking about, by the way, it could be
wish people, could be black people, it could be Latino people.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
I mean, he he does discrimination exactly, but you know,
he's not connected to the KKK.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
And uh, it's uh. I think she's a little a
little left. But guess you know, guess what the ABC
has George Stephanopolis, who should never be a debate moderator, right,
I mean, he was Clinton's chief of staff. Do not
all all of these people that are on the news
(39:34):
now they're from political.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
They're all that's It's like the ex athlete. The ex
athlete goes into the booth, the x politician goes behind
the desk.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yes, the the ex athlete. You can tell, you know
if if Poppy you know, is covering the series and
the Socks are in it, you know he was rooting
for the socks.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
The ramifications are not as bad, Sam, exactly. We gotta go, buddy.
It's always great to talk to you. Thank you for
the insight, thank you for the objectivity. Best of the fam,
uh and with you and we will talk to you soon,
my friend.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Good night Boston.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
He is Sam Mettler. He is the moderate from Hollywood,
the only one out there, and we love him here
at WBZ. Your call is coming up next. How should
the debate be run? What do you want to see?
I'll let you know what the rules currently are, let
me know what you think of them and should they
be changed at six one seven, two thirty on wbz's
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