September 16, 2024 • 36 mins
A MA State Police recruit died after suffering a medical crisis during a defense tactics training exercise. The trainee, 25-year-old Enrique Delgado-Garcia was critically injured during a boxing exercise, which is a regular part of MA State Police training. Dan asks the question, should this boxing exercise continue to be part of State Police training?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night's Side with.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
WBZ Radio. All Right, welcome back. It is a little
after nine o'clock. I went a little along with Alex
Spear from the Boston Globe, but I enjoyed it. Always
talking baseball, that's for sure. Look, I want to talk
about a real tragic story. This story broke late last week.
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We never got to it on Friday night because it
was it was a tragedy at the time in which
the story was that a State Police recruit had been
badly injured. They were calling it a defensive training exercise. Sadly,
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Enrique Delgado Garcia just twenty five years old and died
during what is still being called a training exercise at
the State Police Academy in New Braintreet. Now, I think
anyone who listens to this program knows I'm pretty pro police.
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I have relatives who worked in the State Police, and
this one hits home to me, and it hits home
to Enrique's family. This young man had apparently qualified, he'd
gone through the training for several weeks, maybe two or
three months, and he was ready to graduate and become
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a State Police trooper. Sometime in early October, at a
ceremony that's already scheduled for the Worcester Centrum. Well, he
won't be there because he's dead. He died Friday night,
now the Boston Globe. And this is one that the
State Police has had its problems before. Okay, they've had
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some rogue officers. You had this overtime scandal out on
the turnpike. You've had some officers here and there who
have done some really nasty things taking advantage or trying
to take advantage of young women who they had stopped
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for speeding. And a lot of these officers are now
in prisoner have lost their jobs. But there should be
a full, total, complete, exhaustive investigation into the death of
Enrique Delgado Garcia, and already the state Police have been
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anything but forthcoming. Let me tell you what happened. If
you haven't seen this story, this young man, I guess,
was on Friday night, on Friday night, in the final
hours of his life. He died Friday after he became
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unresponsive during a defensive tactics training exercise whatever that means,
at the Massachusetts State Police Academy in New Braintree. This
he was injured on Thursday afternoon. Okay, so on Friday night,
as his life was leaving his body, he received his
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trooper badge and the State Police oath of office was
administered as he's unconscious as he was surrounded by his family,
loved ones, and classmates during during the final hours of
his life. The agency said on Saturday, his body had
been taken from New Braintree to the Worcester Medical Center,
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pronounced dead there, and then he was transferred from the
UMass Memorial Medical Center in Worcester to the Office of
the Chief Medical Examiner in Westfield. And there was a
State Police procession giving him the honors that h that
he deserved. But here's what appalls me. Okay, according to
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the Boston Globe, reading an article written written by Nick
Stokio or Stoiko, I guess soyko uh and this appeared.
I believe it was in Saturday's Globe. What it could
have been in Sunday's Globe, but it was written on Saturday.
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Quote several news outlets. Let me set this up. We
have been it has been suggested we have not been
told what sort of defensive tactic or training he was undergoing.
But some have speculated that the State Police, for many
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years runs a situation where they put the cadets, these
aspiring troopers uh into a boxing ring and supposedly they're
they're matched for size and strength, and apparently also anyone
who was an amateur boxer UH isn't isn't allowed. They
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have oversized gloves, they have headgear UH and they have
abdominal gear cup and all of that, so you know,
they're fairly well protected. But anybody who's ever been in
a boxing ring will tell you it can be exhausting,
even if you're in great shape. And I experienced it
once and it's exhausting. Several news so one thing to
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be exhausted, okay, but but we're was if this was
a boxing match, where was the supervision. Several news outlets
have reported that Delgado Garcia was covered in bruises and
missing teeth after his boxing exercise. He suffered a broken
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neck and a brain injury and was placed on life
support at the hospital, according to NBC ten in Boston
and CBS Boston. Let me read that again. Several news outlets,
according to the Boston Globe, have reported that Delgado Garcia
was covered in bruises and missing teeth after the boxing exercise.
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He suffered a broken neck and a brain injury, and
was placed on life support at the hospital, according to
NBC ten Boston and CBS Boston. The State Police spokesperson
said he could not confirm details about Delgado Garcia's injuries
or the medical care he received, citing privacy loss. Recruits
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wear boxing gloves. I'm told they're oversized boxing gloves, so
they're not intended to injure, headgear and a protective athletic
cup during the exercise. Delgardo joined the ninetieth Recruit Training
Troop in April and was scheduled to graduate with his
classmates on October ninth at the DCU Center in Worcester.
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Of course, the governor of Governor more Healey said that
Delgado Garcia had committed himself to a career protecting the
people of Massachusetts, and yet the authorities at the New
Braintreet Training Center did nothing to protect this young man.
He formerly worked in the Worcester County District Attorney's office,
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and Joe Early, who is the Worcester County District Attorney,
made comments, I believe it was today, Rob, please play
cut thirty three for me. This is the Worcester County
da Joseph.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Early, Frik Delgado Garcia was loved by everyone in our office.
He's a dedicated victim witness advocate who joined our office
and was with us for about a year and a
half before he left our office and able to fulfill
the life long dream of joining the Massachusetts State Police.
This is a hot breaking and tragic loss, and because
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of this close relationship, someone else will be handling this matter.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
There's no way this office can handle this.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Everyone loved Enrique.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I'm not looking to give it to another DA's office.
I don't think that would be fair to my fellow DA's.
They all have State Police detective units, they all have
a chain of command. I'm looking for someone who can
look at this with an independent view, who doesn't have
a stake in its outcome.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I nominate former Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis or former
Boston Police Commissioner Willie Gross. Joe Early, if you're listening,
or if anybody in Joe's office is listening, I think
either Ed Davis or Willie Gross, or better yet, both
of them. And you can throw Dan Lynsky in there
as well, who was a superintendent in Boston. Those are
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three police professionals, and I must tell you that unless
it's someone who the public has confidence in, and certainly
I think the public would have immense confidence in any
combination or any of these three Dan Lensky, Willie Gross
or Ed Davis, because we as the public need to know.
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This is a young man who went to the State
Police recruiting program, wanted to be a state police officer,
had passed apparently all of the requirements, and he was
if you believe these stories, he was put into a
boxing ring. Now I'm told that there are other ways
in which the State Police conducted these defensive training positions
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or programs, and one of them includes a pretty brutal
set of circumstances where someone has to walk down an
alleyway in theory, they meet up with a couple of
wise guys and someone jumps them from behind. Look, I
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think that you can teach state Well, I'm gonna I'm
gonna get into this. I'm gonna get into this, and
I'm gonna stay with this because this family deserves an
honest report. And if there was no supervision and someone
was able to literally kill this guy, kill this guy
in a boxing ring or in some sort of program
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which was unsupervised. Heads should roll at a minimum, people
should lose their jobs at a minimum, at a minimum.
Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. This is unacceptable. This is unacceptable. Uh,
you need to train people, you need to get them
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ready for what might come and all that. But police
need need to be in good shape. They need to
be able to defend themselves. But I don't think you
defend yourself boxing out on the mass Turnpike. I think
that state police need to be taught how to take
people down, how to immobilize them until help arrives, how
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to use a taser. But boxing boxing, I don't think
that's really necessary. I really don't. And those of you
are going to disagree with me, bring it on, that's fine.
This is out of control. It's disgraceful. If this happened
in Mississippi, we would be looking down our noses at
all the people in Mississippi and Alabama. Well, what do
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you expect. It's Mississippi or Alabama, this is Massachusetts. Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten
thirty Back on night side right after.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
This, Now back to Dan ray Line from the window
World Light Side Studios on w BZ to news.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Radio by the way, By the way, this is the
same state Police and state Police leadership that, in their
infinite wisdom, under the guidance of then Governor Charlie Baker,
when we were hit with COVID and there were a
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few young troopers, good troopers, great troopers who said that
they were not sure about getting a COVID shot because
they were young, and some of them were, you know,
thinking about maybe what impact might this have on me
or my family should I decide to have a family,
including one who I've told you the story of Samanthe Sila,
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whose dad was a State Police trooper and died in
the job. They were dismissed. They were dismissed, okay, even
though they had gone through the training and all of that.
The State Police needs to be, in my opinion, looked
at from top to bottom, but particularly at the top.
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The average trooper who's out in the road. They're the
ones who are doing the hard work. But the leadership
of the State Police right now has to be changed.
And this new State Police colonel coming in, he has
to know what he's going to be getting into I'm
telling you right now, this kid is dead. This kid
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is dead, and it is It's criminal. It's criminal what
was done to this kid? If the news reports in
the Globe suggest are anything close to what actually happened
that he ended up with a broken neck, a brain injury,
and missing teeth after a boxing exercise, something isn't right
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and we need to find out what the real story is.
Let me go to Bob in South Boston. Bob, welcome
your first this hour and nightside. Agree or disagree, Bob,
I totally agree it.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Dan, I've seen an email about the situation on Friday.
This is horrific.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I mean I have families that are police officers. I
have good friends that are police officers. I have kids
that I have coached now that are many of them
are police officers. But the reality is, I mean boxing
is one thing, but I mean I think if you're
gonna be protecting yourself or trying to subd somebody, I mean, uh,
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wrestling or uh taekwondo, but.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Oh yeah, karate judo, anything like that. I mean one
of the those that's what should be taught how to
take someone down, uh easily and officially and there are
ways that that you can take someone down. It done.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I mean to be putting, you know, young guys toe
to toe with somebody, you know, and if you're not,
if you never boxed, it's it's a it's something that
you know, it's it's a whole different world when you're
in a box r you've never done it before. So
I think this is horrific. Uh, you know, not to
have videotaping of this happening is insane. To have any trouble.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You were tonight one of the newscasts that there there
was videotape.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Well that that needs to get out there.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, I think I was watching Channel five at six
o'clock and I thought I heard them say that there
was videotape. But what do you think about my idea,
Let's get someone like Ed Davis, Willie Gross or Dan Lensky,
three leaders here in Boston to absolutely get involved. I
mean this, we have we have some great police leadership,
Bill Bratton. I would trust Bill Bratton getting involved.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I mean this, yeah, Bill Evans, Billy Evans Evans absolutely absolutely,
But the state please investigating this is absolutely you know
out of the question.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Well, no, what happened Joe Early, the d A in
Worcester County, said that not only is he his office
going to recuse themselves from it, but he will not
hand it on to another DA's office, which was a
good thing because all the other deeds DA's officers have
State Police troopers assigned to them. Uh, that's why I think,
you know, bring in at Davis, bringing Dan Lynsky, Willie Gross,
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Bill Bratt, Kathy O'Toole, you know former uh you know,
uh head of the state not the state police, but
head of the n DC police, uh, the nbd A police.
She was the head of the the the Irish police
what they call the gardener over in Ireland. We have
a wealth of people here, wealth of people that's got
to be done. And guess what if mistakes were made.
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These are mistakes that that that are tragic and have
cost this young man his life.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, I mean you gotta move you know, you're gonna
learn from them and move on and never can happen again.
And uh, I mean just either family, how devastated. I mean,
it's so sad, it's terrible.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, this kid had to be for him to get
through the state police training. Since April April May, June, July, August,
September is when they're getting ready for the graduation ceremony.
So this kid had to be in good shape. I
mean a lot of a lot of at that point
in the process. A lot of guys have washed out.
Guys and gals have washed out, and somehow, some way,
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something really bad happened. If these reports of him having
there were reports of a fraction skull, brain injury, a
broken neck, and missing teeth boxing for boxing.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I got a month.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Those are the oversized gloves that you hit somebody with
and you know it's it's not pleasant, but it's not
going to knock your teeth out.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, it's this sister was but uh, you know, knowing
that the kid worked in the DA's office, you know
the he it's definitely something that you know, this this
individual has been dreaming of doing.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
You know, it's dream a nightmare for him and for
his family. I just hope that as he lay on
his deathbed that he was conscious enough. They say, you're
hearing is the last thing to go, But it would
be great to think that he heard him being sworn
in and officially becoming a member of the Massachusetts State Police.
Just tragic, just tragic. Hey Bob, thank you for your call.
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I really appreciate it. Thank you my friend too. And again,
this is the state police that that laid off, that
fired fired about a dozen young police troopers because they
wouldn't get a COVID shot. Bring those people back and
pay them their packs back salary. State police. You know,
they can go after the person who pads the overtime,
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but I want to look at the leadership of the
state police. At this point. I'm telling you this, there's
something rotten in Denmark. Be back on Nightside A one
line at six one seven, two four thirty and one
at six one, seven, nine three one ten thirty. We
will change this topic at ten o'clock. Normally, I say,
if you want to continue on it, we will. We're
going to talk about the second attempt at assassination of
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President Trump beginning at ten. So if you want to
weigh in on this, don't wait give us a call.
Coming back on Nightside, It's night Side with Dan Ray
on wb Boston's news radio. All right, we're talking about
a Massachusetts State Police recruit who was in the customer
of becoming a trooper who was killed. I mean they
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say he died, No, he was killed. Lawrence and west Roxbury. Lawrence,
appreciate your call. You're next on nightside, Go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Yeah, good evening, Dan. We've talked before. I'm a pharmacy
opicer in the airports and my first tour in a
military was in the Marine Corps, and I've been a
participant and several exercises, said Saint, be similar to the
one that the State Police Academy was using here.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
But if I was, if I was involved there, given
what happened to this youngster, I would have stopped it
in three seconds because I would have known he didn't
know how to defend himself. And I seriously think that
the head of the State Police and the person in
charge of the training out there, that whoever is going
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to take over the prosecution of this case, supervision of
this case, should be thinking about manslaughter.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Well, you know, obviously, let the facts go in wherever
the facts take us. But I think at a minimum,
even if it was simply lack of adequate supervision or
instructions should have been given to both of them to say, hey, look,
you're not in here, you know, to beat the heck
out of your colleague, you'll be troopers on the road together.
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You know, if one of you have an advantage, you know, you.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Can supervision the supervision. Oh absolutely, yea three seconds at
the most, given what ams in this kid, Yeah, you
should have stopped it should have been stopped otherwise, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
And by the way, they have these oversized gloves that
are intended to.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Make a difference. You got guy in there, what he
should do. He's gotta hurt him.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, no, I get that. But what I'm saying is,
even with the oversized gloves, they should give you some
more time. You land a couple of punches and you say, Okay,
that's it. No Moss throw the towel in.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
So sad and then if you band this business. But see,
these guys have been You should have known him three
seconds that this kid could not defend themselves, and they
should have stopped it.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Uh, would you agree with me that the investigation should
be conducted by the way, hats off to Joe Earley,
the District Attorney of Worcester County. You say, not only
should in his office investigate, but normally you give it
off to another DA's office. He said it should be
no DA's office in Massachusetts. I think it should be
an independent person like an Ed Davis or a Willie Ross,
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Kathy O'Toole Bill General. Well, she's going to be a
little compromised because she has state police assigned her office
as well. No, I think it should be totally out.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
You don't worry about the state police being there at all.
They have to do it. You take a leadership position
and deal with it.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah. But what I'm saying is I think that all
of us have come to no and trust a guy
like Ed Davis. I don't think I don't dis agree
with you, right, And what I'm saying is I want
somebody from the outside looking in here. I don't want
anybody anybody close to this this set of circumstances. I
don't want any state politician. I don't want any state official.
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I want it to be given Ed Davis, Willie Gross,
Bill Evans, Paul Evans, Kathy O'Toole, Bill Broddon. We got
some great police leaders here.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
All right, all right, you're right, all right, thanks.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
And thank you for your service. By the way, what.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Okay, thank you, all right, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Thanks Lawrence, appreciate your call. We're gonna keep rolling here
as we live. Do I get time for one more
quick calling before the break? Yere, let me get one
in there. People don't have to wait. Let me go
to Josh in Whitman, Massachusetts. Josh, welcome next on Nightsiger, right.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Ahead, welcome. I own a local box and Jim and
Whitman and uh, this is atrociouss I've seen thousands of
boxing matches, aspiring exhibition, so on and so forth, and
nothing like that has ever happened in my gym of
the forty years we've been been around.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I don't know either. You could put all of
these great professional fighters, whether it be you know, the
Mike Tyson's of the world, who you know, hit with
just incredible force. Now again they're in with other professional fighters,
but this would never happen.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
I stocked guys off, kids off five years old and
four years old and above, and and it's just this
is this is bad. It's a horrible look for my
sport as well. You know, because the boxing is supposed
to make you, you know, build character, build structure, build discipline.
So for them to let something like that, it seems
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like more of a bullying thing to me.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
The thing is this the reason I want the investigation
is I'm not sure that this was a one on
one boxing match. The amount of damage that was inflicted broke.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Blunt force trauma. That's not even that, that's not hugelism.
It's blunt force trauma. It's sad, it's a shame, and
it's and and it's it's ridiculous that our state police
should even they should we will be taught how to
kind of punch. They should be taught out of restrain
and reduce conflict. They shouldn't be teaching them how to punch.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah. No, If anything, you teach them to make sure
they know how to defend themselves, but they also know
how to take someone down quickly and efficiently if they
have to be.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Taken down, correct, Jiu jitsu, judas you know like that,
it's it's de escalation. It's not coming to the offensive.
Their public servants, if.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Some if someone comes at you, you sound to me
like you probably know more about this than I do.
But I know enough about it to know that if
someone comes at you, you kind of step back and
you take them momentum and you put him down.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
I mean, I definitely did grow up in a punch first,
ask questions later, like type of things. But that's that
you really like, you're gonna put them on me. But
those guys are trained to de escalate, So why are
they beating someone to death? That's the issue that that's
the that's the main issue here.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
That's a legitimate an issue.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Josh.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
That's but there has to be, no matter what, a total, full, complete,
thorough and transparent investigation by an outside party. In my opinion,
we as a publican trust and I can't think of
anyone more trustworthy than Ed Davis.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
I'm all for it. I mean, the head should be
spinning right now up in the higher grass.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah. Well, let's let's see what the governor does here. Okay,
this is this is this is one that's going to
land of the governor's desk no matter what. Josh, thank
you for calling in. Thank you for what you do.
All right, thank you, talk soon, good night, quick break here.
I got a couple of calls that can take maybe
one or two more, but we will stop at ten.
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Well there's one more, so we're going to get three
between now and ten o'clock. Maybe room for you, the
only line open if you want to give it a
shot six, one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. No
guarantee I can get John coming back on night Side.
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio. You're gonna get
everybody in here. Let me start off with Gary in
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New Jersey. Gary, you were next on nights. I appreciate
you taking the time. Got go ahead, sir.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Hey, Dan, nice to hear from you. You know, training
ain't supposed to kill you. And I understand why they
use boxing because they always felt you know, a lot
of these people never had to do anything and that
would give them confidence. But when someone gets killed doing it,
there's a problem. And you know, a lot of times
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in my job, I always found out with people who
do training, those who can do do, those who can't
do teach, and a lot of times these guys take
it to a whole other level. And hey, someone's got
an answer for this. You're not supposed to die when
you're learning something, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
This is I don't know if this story has made
it down in New Jersey or not, but we have
a new kernel up here coming in. Who was they?
I guess involved when New Jersey State Police. This is
a hell of a heck of a welcome that he's asking.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Well, i'll tell you why. What they need to do
is get a guy like Ray Kelly from New York
longest serving police commissioner and you know, let him investigate.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
So I got up here.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Okay, someone's got to do it. That got that's got
no skin in the game. And I'll tell you what.
This kid's family deserves an answer. He was going for
a job that you know, was that. And the only
thing the problem is got boxing, especially among different state police.
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Jersey does it, uh, I think New York does it.
It goes back years ago and it was like a tradition,
and you know, sometimes traditions are wrong. And I remember
when my younger brother was in the academy. He's retired now.
He was in the Navy. He's been boxing in the
boys clubs and everything since he was a kid. And
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when he, you know, went through the academy and they
had doing the boxing, he tried telling the guy, said, look,
it's not fair for me to fight any of these
guys because he just got out of the Navy and
the only thing he did in the Navy he was
on the boxing teams, and they used to go around
putting on exhibitions and everything, and you know these guys
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sometimes they're just you know, these guys doing the training
or sometimes just not edds who don't listen.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
All right, Jarry, I got two more. I got to
get in earlier. Bye bye Carver, Sandra, gotta get you
and al and gohead Sander.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
Okay, first of all, I just want to say, I
see no excuse for something like this happening. And I
understand he also worked in the DA's office.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yes, he was as advocate. He was a victim's advocate,
get in, and apparently a very well loved and respected
young guy who wanted to be a state trooper.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
Victims advocates in courthouses generally are handling situations of abuse.
Is that not correct? If perhaps this individual who's also
in training, or maybe multiple of them were aware of
his work in the DA's office and had it out
for him. Because I see no excuse for injuries like that,
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that's that's terrible.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
If that's true, that's criminal.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Okay, that's right, that's murder. That's absolutely all right.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Thanks, thanks so much, Sandras. Always appreciate you calling me
get Al in here. Al I believe is a former trooper. Al,
Welcome to night Side.
Speaker 9 (30:45):
How are you, Dan? It's good to talk to you
or all friends. I think you remember me. You did
me a solid long time ago. So yeah, and I
worked with your brother and I'm retired now. So I
fear no repercussion from the from the job or anybody else.
But the first question I have to ask is are
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you assuming facts not an evidence? Do you have a
copy of the post? Do you have a copy of
the autopsy that nobody else has seen? No to talk
about the injuries that this young man received.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
No, I'm I'm simply taking the opportunity to talk about
the the facts that have been reported so far. I
have not I don't know that the autopsy has been done. Now,
you're right, okay, but what facts?
Speaker 9 (31:31):
What facts have been reported? I can tell you that
the information that what I'm aware of is no facts
have been reported. There were there were there were statements
that were reproduced that were attributed to his mom, And
I can tell you what.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Okay, Well, let me just give you what I have
read earlier. I don't know if you've listened the entire hour.
This according to they lost the Globe. Yeah, you know,
legitimate news source. Several news outlets of reports.
Speaker 9 (32:00):
We could, we could, we could debate how legitimate they are.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
But go ahead, fair enough, let's not. Let's not go
down that rope because I'm running out of time. Several
news outlets have reported that Delgado Garcia was covered in
bruises and missing teeth after the boxing exercise. He suffered
a broken neck and a brain injury, and was placed
on life support at the hospital, accorded to NBC ten
Boston and CBS Boston. The only fact that I do
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know is that he was transported to the Worcester Medical Center.
Uh and he died late Friday.
Speaker 9 (32:30):
So I heard all that. I read all that too. However,
nobody has seen the post yet. Nobody has seen the autopsy.
Nobody has any, if any real official information as to
the cause of death or what happened. I'm not trying
to justify what what that he's dead. What I'm saying
is in a training exercise, things happened, and nobody has
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seen yet the official autopsy report.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Nobody the autopsy probably report doesn't exist. But my problem,
here's what my problem is. Out I am concerned that
if I don't talk about this tonight and I don't
tell people, I have a responsibility, in my opinion, is
that is to make people aware of what I consider
to be important stories. And I think this is a
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really important story for a whole bunch of reasons. Uh.
And and which are which are pretty obvious. Uh. And
if it turns out that somehow this guy was walking
into the ring and he slipped and fell and he
broke his neck, Okay, fine, But whenever information is hard
to come by and nobody is denying it, no one
is saying, hey, he didn't ever broken neck, he didn't
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have a brain injury, maybe he didn't even die. I
can only look at the facts that that I know.
I know that they're they're acknowledging there was it was
an exercise, and that he's now dead. That just doesn't
compute it.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And I've done.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
Here's here's the problem that I'm having. And I have
no problem with you or your show. You know I
listened to your show. You know I call you all
the time. Yeah, you don't have to support what's being
the story that's being put. You can't have, you can't
let you can't let the story run without the facts,
and right now, frankly, there are no facts that have
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been published. The facts are being sat on. The autopsy
results have not been revealed, and the trainees' previous medical
condition has not been revealed. Nothing has been revealed except
you know.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
What else when this comes out, When it comes out
that the facts that we have talked about tonight are
way off base and that he had some sort of
a medical seizure, you know that that was totally unrelated
and the state police there's no need to super call
for an investigation of supervision. Feel free to call back
and tell me Dan, you know you were right and
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I was wrong. I'm just telling you that I'm going
by my judgment, just like I think police officers sometimes
have to go by their gut instinct. When you pull
the car over at night, it was your gut instinct
that was telling you how am I going to post
this car? Who's in this car? What do I have
to be concerned about? Those are all sort of instincts
that you develop which are very difficult to articulate. I
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have instincts as a news guy. I've been around a
long time. That's where my instincts take me. Tonight, we'll
see if I'm right or wrong.
Speaker 9 (35:23):
I listen, no disrespect intended, you know that, yep. I
just want to I just want to make sure that
everybody out there listening understands that the story and the
conditions attributed to this young man have not really been
validated by a post yet and when they do, and
I'm with you, I'm with you. I agree with you,
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and I'm with you. And if if the situation reveals
that this some gross misconduct took place, I will be
the first to call you back and I will own.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It, okay, and then I'll look forward to that call
either way, and maybe the truth of summer in the middle.
All I got to run because I'm up in the ten.
Thank you for calling. As always, with you agree to disagree.
I enjoy the conversation.
Speaker 9 (36:04):
Thanks Jan, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I have a great night. Ten o'clock. Second assassination attempt
on Donald Trump. This is getting a little out of hand, folks,
and we need to address it tonight and we will
coming back on night side
It's Night's Side with.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
WBZ Radio. All Right, welcome back. It is a little
after nine o'clock. I went a little along with Alex
Spear from the Boston Globe, but I enjoyed it. Always
talking baseball, that's for sure. Look, I want to talk
about a real tragic story. This story broke late last week.
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We never got to it on Friday night because it
was it was a tragedy at the time in which
the story was that a State Police recruit had been
badly injured. They were calling it a defensive training exercise. Sadly,
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Enrique Delgado Garcia just twenty five years old and died
during what is still being called a training exercise at
the State Police Academy in New Braintreet. Now, I think
anyone who listens to this program knows I'm pretty pro police.
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I have relatives who worked in the State Police, and
this one hits home to me, and it hits home
to Enrique's family. This young man had apparently qualified, he'd
gone through the training for several weeks, maybe two or
three months, and he was ready to graduate and become
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a State Police trooper. Sometime in early October, at a
ceremony that's already scheduled for the Worcester Centrum. Well, he
won't be there because he's dead. He died Friday night,
now the Boston Globe. And this is one that the
State Police has had its problems before. Okay, they've had
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some rogue officers. You had this overtime scandal out on
the turnpike. You've had some officers here and there who
have done some really nasty things taking advantage or trying
to take advantage of young women who they had stopped
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for speeding. And a lot of these officers are now
in prisoner have lost their jobs. But there should be
a full, total, complete, exhaustive investigation into the death of
Enrique Delgado Garcia, and already the state Police have been
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anything but forthcoming. Let me tell you what happened. If
you haven't seen this story, this young man, I guess,
was on Friday night, on Friday night, in the final
hours of his life. He died Friday after he became
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unresponsive during a defensive tactics training exercise whatever that means,
at the Massachusetts State Police Academy in New Braintree. This
he was injured on Thursday afternoon. Okay, so on Friday night,
as his life was leaving his body, he received his
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trooper badge and the State Police oath of office was
administered as he's unconscious as he was surrounded by his family,
loved ones, and classmates during during the final hours of
his life. The agency said on Saturday, his body had
been taken from New Braintree to the Worcester Medical Center,
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pronounced dead there, and then he was transferred from the
UMass Memorial Medical Center in Worcester to the Office of
the Chief Medical Examiner in Westfield. And there was a
State Police procession giving him the honors that h that
he deserved. But here's what appalls me. Okay, according to
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the Boston Globe, reading an article written written by Nick
Stokio or Stoiko, I guess soyko uh and this appeared.
I believe it was in Saturday's Globe. What it could
have been in Sunday's Globe, but it was written on Saturday.
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Quote several news outlets. Let me set this up. We
have been it has been suggested we have not been
told what sort of defensive tactic or training he was undergoing.
But some have speculated that the State Police, for many
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years runs a situation where they put the cadets, these
aspiring troopers uh into a boxing ring and supposedly they're
they're matched for size and strength, and apparently also anyone
who was an amateur boxer UH isn't isn't allowed. They
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have oversized gloves, they have headgear UH and they have
abdominal gear cup and all of that, so you know,
they're fairly well protected. But anybody who's ever been in
a boxing ring will tell you it can be exhausting,
even if you're in great shape. And I experienced it
once and it's exhausting. Several news so one thing to
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be exhausted, okay, but but we're was if this was
a boxing match, where was the supervision. Several news outlets
have reported that Delgado Garcia was covered in bruises and
missing teeth after his boxing exercise. He suffered a broken
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neck and a brain injury and was placed on life
support at the hospital, according to NBC ten in Boston
and CBS Boston. Let me read that again. Several news outlets,
according to the Boston Globe, have reported that Delgado Garcia
was covered in bruises and missing teeth after the boxing exercise.
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He suffered a broken neck and a brain injury, and
was placed on life support at the hospital, according to
NBC ten Boston and CBS Boston. The State Police spokesperson
said he could not confirm details about Delgado Garcia's injuries
or the medical care he received, citing privacy loss. Recruits
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wear boxing gloves. I'm told they're oversized boxing gloves, so
they're not intended to injure, headgear and a protective athletic
cup during the exercise. Delgardo joined the ninetieth Recruit Training
Troop in April and was scheduled to graduate with his
classmates on October ninth at the DCU Center in Worcester.
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Of course, the governor of Governor more Healey said that
Delgado Garcia had committed himself to a career protecting the
people of Massachusetts, and yet the authorities at the New
Braintreet Training Center did nothing to protect this young man.
He formerly worked in the Worcester County District Attorney's office,
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and Joe Early, who is the Worcester County District Attorney,
made comments, I believe it was today, Rob, please play
cut thirty three for me. This is the Worcester County
da Joseph.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Early, Frik Delgado Garcia was loved by everyone in our office.
He's a dedicated victim witness advocate who joined our office
and was with us for about a year and a
half before he left our office and able to fulfill
the life long dream of joining the Massachusetts State Police.
This is a hot breaking and tragic loss, and because
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of this close relationship, someone else will be handling this matter.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
There's no way this office can handle this.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Everyone loved Enrique.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I'm not looking to give it to another DA's office.
I don't think that would be fair to my fellow DA's.
They all have State Police detective units, they all have
a chain of command. I'm looking for someone who can
look at this with an independent view, who doesn't have
a stake in its outcome.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I nominate former Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis or former
Boston Police Commissioner Willie Gross. Joe Early, if you're listening,
or if anybody in Joe's office is listening, I think
either Ed Davis or Willie Gross, or better yet, both
of them. And you can throw Dan Lynsky in there
as well, who was a superintendent in Boston. Those are
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three police professionals, and I must tell you that unless
it's someone who the public has confidence in, and certainly
I think the public would have immense confidence in any
combination or any of these three Dan Lensky, Willie Gross
or Ed Davis, because we as the public need to know.
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This is a young man who went to the State
Police recruiting program, wanted to be a state police officer,
had passed apparently all of the requirements, and he was
if you believe these stories, he was put into a
boxing ring. Now I'm told that there are other ways
in which the State Police conducted these defensive training positions
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or programs, and one of them includes a pretty brutal
set of circumstances where someone has to walk down an
alleyway in theory, they meet up with a couple of
wise guys and someone jumps them from behind. Look, I
(10:10):
think that you can teach state Well, I'm gonna I'm
gonna get into this. I'm gonna get into this, and
I'm gonna stay with this because this family deserves an
honest report. And if there was no supervision and someone
was able to literally kill this guy, kill this guy
in a boxing ring or in some sort of program
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which was unsupervised. Heads should roll at a minimum, people
should lose their jobs at a minimum, at a minimum.
Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. This is unacceptable. This is unacceptable. Uh,
you need to train people, you need to get them
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ready for what might come and all that. But police
need need to be in good shape. They need to
be able to defend themselves. But I don't think you
defend yourself boxing out on the mass Turnpike. I think
that state police need to be taught how to take
people down, how to immobilize them until help arrives, how
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to use a taser. But boxing boxing, I don't think
that's really necessary. I really don't. And those of you
are going to disagree with me, bring it on, that's fine.
This is out of control. It's disgraceful. If this happened
in Mississippi, we would be looking down our noses at
all the people in Mississippi and Alabama. Well, what do
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you expect. It's Mississippi or Alabama, this is Massachusetts. Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten
thirty Back on night side right after.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
This, Now back to Dan ray Line from the window
World Light Side Studios on w BZ to news.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Radio by the way, By the way, this is the
same state Police and state Police leadership that, in their
infinite wisdom, under the guidance of then Governor Charlie Baker,
when we were hit with COVID and there were a
(12:15):
few young troopers, good troopers, great troopers who said that
they were not sure about getting a COVID shot because
they were young, and some of them were, you know,
thinking about maybe what impact might this have on me
or my family should I decide to have a family,
including one who I've told you the story of Samanthe Sila,
(12:38):
whose dad was a State Police trooper and died in
the job. They were dismissed. They were dismissed, okay, even
though they had gone through the training and all of that.
The State Police needs to be, in my opinion, looked
at from top to bottom, but particularly at the top.
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The average trooper who's out in the road. They're the
ones who are doing the hard work. But the leadership
of the State Police right now has to be changed.
And this new State Police colonel coming in, he has
to know what he's going to be getting into I'm
telling you right now, this kid is dead. This kid
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is dead, and it is It's criminal. It's criminal what
was done to this kid? If the news reports in
the Globe suggest are anything close to what actually happened
that he ended up with a broken neck, a brain injury,
and missing teeth after a boxing exercise, something isn't right
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and we need to find out what the real story is.
Let me go to Bob in South Boston. Bob, welcome
your first this hour and nightside. Agree or disagree, Bob,
I totally agree it.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Dan, I've seen an email about the situation on Friday.
This is horrific.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I mean I have families that are police officers. I
have good friends that are police officers. I have kids
that I have coached now that are many of them
are police officers. But the reality is, I mean boxing
is one thing, but I mean I think if you're
gonna be protecting yourself or trying to subd somebody, I mean, uh,
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wrestling or uh taekwondo, but.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Oh yeah, karate judo, anything like that. I mean one
of the those that's what should be taught how to
take someone down, uh easily and officially and there are
ways that that you can take someone down. It done.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I mean to be putting, you know, young guys toe
to toe with somebody, you know, and if you're not,
if you never boxed, it's it's a it's something that
you know, it's it's a whole different world when you're
in a box r you've never done it before. So
I think this is horrific. Uh, you know, not to
have videotaping of this happening is insane. To have any trouble.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
You were tonight one of the newscasts that there there
was videotape.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Well that that needs to get out there.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, I think I was watching Channel five at six
o'clock and I thought I heard them say that there
was videotape. But what do you think about my idea,
Let's get someone like Ed Davis, Willie Gross or Dan Lensky,
three leaders here in Boston to absolutely get involved. I
mean this, we have we have some great police leadership,
Bill Bratton. I would trust Bill Bratton getting involved.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I mean this, yeah, Bill Evans, Billy Evans Evans absolutely absolutely,
But the state please investigating this is absolutely you know
out of the question.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Well, no, what happened Joe Early, the d A in
Worcester County, said that not only is he his office
going to recuse themselves from it, but he will not
hand it on to another DA's office, which was a
good thing because all the other deeds DA's officers have
State Police troopers assigned to them. Uh, that's why I think,
you know, bring in at Davis, bringing Dan Lynsky, Willie Gross,
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Bill Bratt, Kathy O'Toole, you know former uh you know,
uh head of the state not the state police, but
head of the n DC police, uh, the nbd A police.
She was the head of the the the Irish police
what they call the gardener over in Ireland. We have
a wealth of people here, wealth of people that's got
to be done. And guess what if mistakes were made.
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These are mistakes that that that are tragic and have
cost this young man his life.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, I mean you gotta move you know, you're gonna
learn from them and move on and never can happen again.
And uh, I mean just either family, how devastated. I mean,
it's so sad, it's terrible.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, this kid had to be for him to get
through the state police training. Since April April May, June, July, August,
September is when they're getting ready for the graduation ceremony.
So this kid had to be in good shape. I
mean a lot of a lot of at that point
in the process. A lot of guys have washed out.
Guys and gals have washed out, and somehow, some way,
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something really bad happened. If these reports of him having
there were reports of a fraction skull, brain injury, a
broken neck, and missing teeth boxing for boxing.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I got a month.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Those are the oversized gloves that you hit somebody with
and you know it's it's not pleasant, but it's not
going to knock your teeth out.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, it's this sister was but uh, you know, knowing
that the kid worked in the DA's office, you know
the he it's definitely something that you know, this this
individual has been dreaming of doing.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
You know, it's dream a nightmare for him and for
his family. I just hope that as he lay on
his deathbed that he was conscious enough. They say, you're
hearing is the last thing to go, But it would
be great to think that he heard him being sworn
in and officially becoming a member of the Massachusetts State Police.
Just tragic, just tragic. Hey Bob, thank you for your call.
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I really appreciate it. Thank you my friend too. And again,
this is the state police that that laid off, that
fired fired about a dozen young police troopers because they
wouldn't get a COVID shot. Bring those people back and
pay them their packs back salary. State police. You know,
they can go after the person who pads the overtime,
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but I want to look at the leadership of the
state police. At this point. I'm telling you this, there's
something rotten in Denmark. Be back on Nightside A one
line at six one seven, two four thirty and one
at six one, seven, nine three one ten thirty. We
will change this topic at ten o'clock. Normally, I say,
if you want to continue on it, we will. We're
going to talk about the second attempt at assassination of
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President Trump beginning at ten. So if you want to
weigh in on this, don't wait give us a call.
Coming back on Nightside, It's night Side with Dan Ray
on wb Boston's news radio. All right, we're talking about
a Massachusetts State Police recruit who was in the customer
of becoming a trooper who was killed. I mean they
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say he died, No, he was killed. Lawrence and west Roxbury. Lawrence,
appreciate your call. You're next on nightside, Go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Yeah, good evening, Dan. We've talked before. I'm a pharmacy
opicer in the airports and my first tour in a
military was in the Marine Corps, and I've been a
participant and several exercises, said Saint, be similar to the
one that the State Police Academy was using here.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
But if I was, if I was involved there, given
what happened to this youngster, I would have stopped it
in three seconds because I would have known he didn't
know how to defend himself. And I seriously think that
the head of the State Police and the person in
charge of the training out there, that whoever is going
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to take over the prosecution of this case, supervision of
this case, should be thinking about manslaughter.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Well, you know, obviously, let the facts go in wherever
the facts take us. But I think at a minimum,
even if it was simply lack of adequate supervision or
instructions should have been given to both of them to say, hey, look,
you're not in here, you know, to beat the heck
out of your colleague, you'll be troopers on the road together.
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You know, if one of you have an advantage, you know, you.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Can supervision the supervision. Oh absolutely, yea three seconds at
the most, given what ams in this kid, Yeah, you
should have stopped it should have been stopped otherwise, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
And by the way, they have these oversized gloves that
are intended to.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Make a difference. You got guy in there, what he
should do. He's gotta hurt him.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, no, I get that. But what I'm saying is,
even with the oversized gloves, they should give you some
more time. You land a couple of punches and you say, Okay,
that's it. No Moss throw the towel in.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
So sad and then if you band this business. But see,
these guys have been You should have known him three
seconds that this kid could not defend themselves, and they
should have stopped it.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Uh, would you agree with me that the investigation should
be conducted by the way, hats off to Joe Earley,
the District Attorney of Worcester County. You say, not only
should in his office investigate, but normally you give it
off to another DA's office. He said it should be
no DA's office in Massachusetts. I think it should be
an independent person like an Ed Davis or a Willie Ross,
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Kathy O'Toole Bill General. Well, she's going to be a
little compromised because she has state police assigned her office
as well. No, I think it should be totally out.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
You don't worry about the state police being there at all.
They have to do it. You take a leadership position
and deal with it.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah. But what I'm saying is I think that all
of us have come to no and trust a guy
like Ed Davis. I don't think I don't dis agree
with you, right, And what I'm saying is I want
somebody from the outside looking in here. I don't want
anybody anybody close to this this set of circumstances. I
don't want any state politician. I don't want any state official.
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I want it to be given Ed Davis, Willie Gross,
Bill Evans, Paul Evans, Kathy O'Toole, Bill Broddon. We got
some great police leaders here.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
All right, all right, you're right, all right, thanks.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
And thank you for your service. By the way, what.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Okay, thank you, all right, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Thanks Lawrence, appreciate your call. We're gonna keep rolling here
as we live. Do I get time for one more
quick calling before the break? Yere, let me get one
in there. People don't have to wait. Let me go
to Josh in Whitman, Massachusetts. Josh, welcome next on Nightsiger, right.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Ahead, welcome. I own a local box and Jim and
Whitman and uh, this is atrociouss I've seen thousands of
boxing matches, aspiring exhibition, so on and so forth, and
nothing like that has ever happened in my gym of
the forty years we've been been around.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I don't know either. You could put all of
these great professional fighters, whether it be you know, the
Mike Tyson's of the world, who you know, hit with
just incredible force. Now again they're in with other professional fighters,
but this would never happen.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
I stocked guys off, kids off five years old and
four years old and above, and and it's just this
is this is bad. It's a horrible look for my
sport as well. You know, because the boxing is supposed
to make you, you know, build character, build structure, build discipline.
So for them to let something like that, it seems
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like more of a bullying thing to me.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
The thing is this the reason I want the investigation
is I'm not sure that this was a one on
one boxing match. The amount of damage that was inflicted broke.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Blunt force trauma. That's not even that, that's not hugelism.
It's blunt force trauma. It's sad, it's a shame, and
it's and and it's it's ridiculous that our state police
should even they should we will be taught how to
kind of punch. They should be taught out of restrain
and reduce conflict. They shouldn't be teaching them how to punch.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah. No, If anything, you teach them to make sure
they know how to defend themselves, but they also know
how to take someone down quickly and efficiently if they
have to be.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Taken down, correct, Jiu jitsu, judas you know like that,
it's it's de escalation. It's not coming to the offensive.
Their public servants, if.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Some if someone comes at you, you sound to me
like you probably know more about this than I do.
But I know enough about it to know that if
someone comes at you, you kind of step back and
you take them momentum and you put him down.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Correct.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
I mean, I definitely did grow up in a punch first,
ask questions later, like type of things. But that's that
you really like, you're gonna put them on me. But
those guys are trained to de escalate, So why are
they beating someone to death? That's the issue that that's
the that's the main issue here.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
That's a legitimate an issue.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Josh.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
That's but there has to be, no matter what, a total, full, complete,
thorough and transparent investigation by an outside party. In my opinion,
we as a publican trust and I can't think of
anyone more trustworthy than Ed Davis.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
I'm all for it. I mean, the head should be
spinning right now up in the higher grass.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah. Well, let's let's see what the governor does here. Okay,
this is this is this is one that's going to
land of the governor's desk no matter what. Josh, thank
you for calling in. Thank you for what you do.
All right, thank you, talk soon, good night, quick break here.
I got a couple of calls that can take maybe
one or two more, but we will stop at ten.
(26:43):
Well there's one more, so we're going to get three
between now and ten o'clock. Maybe room for you, the
only line open if you want to give it a
shot six, one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. No
guarantee I can get John coming back on night Side.
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio. You're gonna get
everybody in here. Let me start off with Gary in
(27:04):
New Jersey. Gary, you were next on nights. I appreciate
you taking the time. Got go ahead, sir.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Hey, Dan, nice to hear from you. You know, training
ain't supposed to kill you. And I understand why they
use boxing because they always felt you know, a lot
of these people never had to do anything and that
would give them confidence. But when someone gets killed doing it,
there's a problem. And you know, a lot of times
(27:32):
in my job, I always found out with people who
do training, those who can do do, those who can't
do teach, and a lot of times these guys take
it to a whole other level. And hey, someone's got
an answer for this. You're not supposed to die when
you're learning something, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
This is I don't know if this story has made
it down in New Jersey or not, but we have
a new kernel up here coming in. Who was they?
I guess involved when New Jersey State Police. This is
a hell of a heck of a welcome that he's asking.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Well, i'll tell you why. What they need to do
is get a guy like Ray Kelly from New York
longest serving police commissioner and you know, let him investigate.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
So I got up here.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Okay, someone's got to do it. That got that's got
no skin in the game. And I'll tell you what.
This kid's family deserves an answer. He was going for
a job that you know, was that. And the only
thing the problem is got boxing, especially among different state police.
(28:44):
Jersey does it, uh, I think New York does it.
It goes back years ago and it was like a tradition,
and you know, sometimes traditions are wrong. And I remember
when my younger brother was in the academy. He's retired now.
He was in the Navy. He's been boxing in the
boys clubs and everything since he was a kid. And
(29:07):
when he, you know, went through the academy and they
had doing the boxing, he tried telling the guy, said, look,
it's not fair for me to fight any of these
guys because he just got out of the Navy and
the only thing he did in the Navy he was
on the boxing teams, and they used to go around
putting on exhibitions and everything, and you know these guys
(29:29):
sometimes they're just you know, these guys doing the training
or sometimes just not edds who don't listen.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
All right, Jarry, I got two more. I got to
get in earlier. Bye bye Carver, Sandra, gotta get you
and al and gohead Sander.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
Okay, first of all, I just want to say, I
see no excuse for something like this happening. And I
understand he also worked in the DA's office.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yes, he was as advocate. He was a victim's advocate,
get in, and apparently a very well loved and respected
young guy who wanted to be a state trooper.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
Victims advocates in courthouses generally are handling situations of abuse.
Is that not correct? If perhaps this individual who's also
in training, or maybe multiple of them were aware of
his work in the DA's office and had it out
for him. Because I see no excuse for injuries like that,
(30:28):
that's that's terrible.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
If that's true, that's criminal.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Okay, that's right, that's murder. That's absolutely all right.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Thanks, thanks so much, Sandras. Always appreciate you calling me
get Al in here. Al I believe is a former trooper. Al,
Welcome to night Side.
Speaker 9 (30:45):
How are you, Dan? It's good to talk to you
or all friends. I think you remember me. You did
me a solid long time ago. So yeah, and I
worked with your brother and I'm retired now. So I
fear no repercussion from the from the job or anybody else.
But the first question I have to ask is are
(31:07):
you assuming facts not an evidence? Do you have a
copy of the post? Do you have a copy of
the autopsy that nobody else has seen? No to talk
about the injuries that this young man received.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
No, I'm I'm simply taking the opportunity to talk about
the the facts that have been reported so far. I
have not I don't know that the autopsy has been done. Now,
you're right, okay, but what facts?
Speaker 9 (31:31):
What facts have been reported? I can tell you that
the information that what I'm aware of is no facts
have been reported. There were there were there were statements
that were reproduced that were attributed to his mom, And
I can tell you what.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Okay, Well, let me just give you what I have
read earlier. I don't know if you've listened the entire hour.
This according to they lost the Globe. Yeah, you know,
legitimate news source. Several news outlets of reports.
Speaker 9 (32:00):
We could, we could, we could debate how legitimate they are.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
But go ahead, fair enough, let's not. Let's not go
down that rope because I'm running out of time. Several
news outlets have reported that Delgado Garcia was covered in
bruises and missing teeth after the boxing exercise. He suffered
a broken neck and a brain injury, and was placed
on life support at the hospital, accorded to NBC ten
Boston and CBS Boston. The only fact that I do
(32:23):
know is that he was transported to the Worcester Medical Center.
Uh and he died late Friday.
Speaker 9 (32:30):
So I heard all that. I read all that too. However,
nobody has seen the post yet. Nobody has seen the autopsy.
Nobody has any, if any real official information as to
the cause of death or what happened. I'm not trying
to justify what what that he's dead. What I'm saying
is in a training exercise, things happened, and nobody has
(32:55):
seen yet the official autopsy report.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Nobody the autopsy probably report doesn't exist. But my problem,
here's what my problem is. Out I am concerned that
if I don't talk about this tonight and I don't
tell people, I have a responsibility, in my opinion, is
that is to make people aware of what I consider
to be important stories. And I think this is a
(33:19):
really important story for a whole bunch of reasons. Uh.
And and which are which are pretty obvious. Uh. And
if it turns out that somehow this guy was walking
into the ring and he slipped and fell and he
broke his neck, Okay, fine, But whenever information is hard
to come by and nobody is denying it, no one
is saying, hey, he didn't ever broken neck, he didn't
(33:39):
have a brain injury, maybe he didn't even die. I
can only look at the facts that that I know.
I know that they're they're acknowledging there was it was
an exercise, and that he's now dead. That just doesn't
compute it.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And I've done.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
Here's here's the problem that I'm having. And I have
no problem with you or your show. You know I
listened to your show. You know I call you all
the time. Yeah, you don't have to support what's being
the story that's being put. You can't have, you can't
let you can't let the story run without the facts,
and right now, frankly, there are no facts that have
(34:16):
been published. The facts are being sat on. The autopsy
results have not been revealed, and the trainees' previous medical
condition has not been revealed. Nothing has been revealed except
you know.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
What else when this comes out, When it comes out
that the facts that we have talked about tonight are
way off base and that he had some sort of
a medical seizure, you know that that was totally unrelated
and the state police there's no need to super call
for an investigation of supervision. Feel free to call back
and tell me Dan, you know you were right and
(34:54):
I was wrong. I'm just telling you that I'm going
by my judgment, just like I think police officers sometimes
have to go by their gut instinct. When you pull
the car over at night, it was your gut instinct
that was telling you how am I going to post
this car? Who's in this car? What do I have
to be concerned about? Those are all sort of instincts
that you develop which are very difficult to articulate. I
(35:16):
have instincts as a news guy. I've been around a
long time. That's where my instincts take me. Tonight, we'll
see if I'm right or wrong.
Speaker 9 (35:23):
I listen, no disrespect intended, you know that, yep. I
just want to I just want to make sure that
everybody out there listening understands that the story and the
conditions attributed to this young man have not really been
validated by a post yet and when they do, and
I'm with you, I'm with you. I agree with you,
(35:44):
and I'm with you. And if if the situation reveals
that this some gross misconduct took place, I will be
the first to call you back and I will own.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
It, okay, and then I'll look forward to that call
either way, and maybe the truth of summer in the middle.
All I got to run because I'm up in the ten.
Thank you for calling. As always, with you agree to disagree.
I enjoy the conversation.
Speaker 9 (36:04):
Thanks Jan, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I have a great night. Ten o'clock. Second assassination attempt
on Donald Trump. This is getting a little out of hand, folks,
and we need to address it tonight and we will
coming back on night side
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