September 20, 2024 • 40 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
David Dye – Author & President of Let’s Grow Leaders, a global leadership development firm known for practical tools and techniques for human-centered leaders on Powerful Phrases for Dealing with Workplace Conflict.
John Chisholm – Scientist from New England Aquarium discusses sharks on the North Shore? Several sightings off Ipswich rattle beachgoers, catch researchers off guard.
The Hot New Health Trend Right Now Is...Eating Dirt?!? Adrian Hernandez – Registered Dietitian Nutritionist has the yummy details.
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David Dye – Author & President of Let’s Grow Leaders, a global leadership development firm known for practical tools and techniques for human-centered leaders on Powerful Phrases for Dealing with Workplace Conflict.
John Chisholm – Scientist from New England Aquarium discusses sharks on the North Shore? Several sightings off Ipswich rattle beachgoers, catch researchers off guard.
The Hot New Health Trend Right Now Is...Eating Dirt?!? Adrian Hernandez – Registered Dietitian Nutritionist has the yummy details.
James O'Brien – Topsfield Fair General Manager .Topsfield Fair ticket scam has organizers, police warning guests about America's oldest fair.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston News Radio. Nicole,
you are the best at segues. You're hit a home run.
I love that those people who listened to the Red
Sox last night didn't see much action. They got a
one hitter. They were one hit by a pitcher who
the Red Sox gave up part a year or so ago.
And Patriot fans ugly ugly in New York last night.
(00:24):
But it won't be ugly here on Nightside. You know
that we're always gonna have fun. Yeah, we're gonna have
some disagreements, but we're gonna remain friends. It's a simple
as sad. My name is Dan Ray. I am the
host of Nightside and Nicole. And if you're still in
the studio but have a great weekend, oh yes, you
too deserve it, that is for sure. You are the
best person.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
You give me a lot of time to practice, which
I appreciate. It's just like, you know what, I have
a really good excuse to work on it, so I'll
come up with another few for next week.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You're great. You always hit a home run. I love that.
It's as simple as that. But last night, those Patriots
just didn't do it. It was and the Red Sox, Oh,
I remember when you left last night. He said, we
will be more fun and more entertaining. And guess what,
the bar was very high.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I mean you always are.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
But yeah, from what I heard, I didn't watch it,
it's probably ugly.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
And the guy that threw the one hitter, he only
went seven innings, but he threw a one hitter and
that's all the hits. The Red Sox said. The Red
Sox had had him like a year ago and they
gave up on him.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Oh my, it's rebuilding or something.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well, I don't know. We're still alive, but they were
still mathematically in it, so.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
That's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Right, They still have a chance, you know, and you
can always.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Just go get a family, frank and forget about the rest.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah. Right, they have a great weekend, you two. I'm
glad I caught you. Thanks very much. All right, we're
ready to go. Here we will be talking about a
flight over flying the Israeli flag at Boston City Hall Plaza.
We talking about the City councilor Ed Flynn along with
my great friend Jeff Robbins, former Delegate to the United
Nations Human Rights Council, lawyer extraordinary, former head of the
(01:59):
Anti Defamation League here in New England, and we'll get
to all of that, and we'll also talking about a
new chapter in the Karen Reid case. We'll explain it
with a couple of really good lawyers, Bill Kickham and
Robert George. Bob George coming up at ten o'clock. But
in the meantime we're going to do our first hour
where we talk with four newsmakers of some sort or
some level. Going to begin with the gentlemen by the
(02:20):
name of David Die. David Dye, Welcome to Nightside. How
are you, sir.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Damn? Doing well?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You are an author and president of a group called
Let's Grow Leaders, of Global Leadership development firm known for
practical tools and techniques for human centered leaders. I love
that word human centered leaders, because I don't know what
type of leaders we're going to have if they're not
human centered. You have written a book called Powerful Phrases
(02:49):
for Dealing with Workplace Conflict, Let's Grow Leaders. Tell us
about it. How much workplace conflict do we have in
America these days? I thought, I know, I thought everybody
was working from home.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Well, it's interesting you say that. You know, there's a
sense that a lot of people I say, wow, I
think we're having more conflicts. We actually did a five
thousand plus research study. We surveyed five thousand people around
the world, including all fifty US states, and asked them,
you're like, what is happening with workplace conflict? I mean
you're having more or less? And seventy percent of people
around the world, including the US, said, you know, I'm
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having as much or more than I ever had in
the past. And even if you look at those thirty
percent and he said they're having less exactly what you're saying,
Half of them said they just escaped. They escaped the
toxic workplace, they escaped some conflict, or they're working from home.
They're not seeing people, so they're just not having interactions.
And then you get all the things that are.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Lost in that.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
So it might be more peaceful to them, but there's
a lot lost in that even so, well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
If you just listen to a little back and forth
between myself, who's a talk show host, and Nicole Davis,
who is one of our great news anchors here at WBZ,
we have a lot of really fun people to work
with where I work, So I'm been a tough time
sort of relating to this. But as I understand it,
in your book, you have powerful phrases for dealing with
(04:09):
workplace conflict. That's intriguing. Give me a couple of examples.
Are you talking about conflict between a boss and a worker.
Are you talking about probably you're talking about everything working
a worker conflict. You find yourself in a testing conversation
with someone with whom you either are working with or
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working for, and you got some powerful phrases to, I guess,
diffuse the situation.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
You said it earlier when you were talking to you said, Hey,
we're going to have disagreements, but we're still going to
be friends. And that is really what's at the heart
of all of this is how do we respectfully disagree,
have those conversations and come up with something that's better.
Because we've all got our perspectives and so forth, so
many of us, when we think of workplace conflict, people
immediately shy away. They win and say, oh, I don't
(05:01):
want to do that. Why because it feels destructive. We
want to move away from that that destructive kind of
conflict and to productive conflict with There's just another word
for that is collaboration. So how do we do that?
You know, there's four dimensions of this, of these conversations,
and if we can invest in these upfront, like you're saying,
we understand one another, we know each other as human beings.
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So that connection, that's the first dimension, and we can
start any conversation with that, even if we don't know
the person. You're talking to, somebody from a different department
you've got to work with and you need something, uh,
they've got a different agenda, start the conversation with something
practical like, hey, listen, I know that there's some things
you've got going on, and I really want to figure
out a way that we can work through this together
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in a way that's going to get the best for
both of us, not going to be a headache for you,
not gonna be a headache for us. I'm confident we
can do that, you know, just starting with a practical
phrase like that to build that connection absolutely, you know,
you look at it another source.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Oh go ahead, No, I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Saying that that makes sense because a lot of time
should throw it into situations and you know, every company
is different. I work in the media and what do
you folks do? Do you go around and meet with
management of companies? How do you what do you do
to support yourself? Obviously I'm going to suggest that people
(06:17):
might want to read the book that you've written, Oh
for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
So we work with firms all over the world. So
we've got global clients and work with managers and leaders
to equip them with really practical leadership management tools so
they're able to help their teams achieve really good breakthrough
transformational results while they also create a climate where people
grow and thrive. And so that's really what our work
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is and we help organizations to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
How long you've been doing this? This is this a
new venture post post covid or have you been around
for a long time?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Over a decades?
Speaker 5 (06:55):
So I've been at this since twenty long time.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
That's a long time. And you find that most people
are at least willing to hear listen to you or
hear you out.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
You know, there's a wide variety out there, and we're
very up fun about it. I say, listen, if you
consider yourself a human centered leader and you are wanting
those skills, then we're here for you. We can get
real practical, we can help you do that. Some people
aren't interested in that, and that it's okay, we're not
for them. No, not everyone's for everyone, so that's all right.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
What percentage of, however, you want to describe people as leaders,
whether you're talking about the CEO at the top of
the company or the middle management person or the person,
what percentage of people do you think realize that you're
going to get more out of a worker if you
give them a compliment or a pat on the back
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as opposed to a kick in the butt.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
You know, it's very interesting. I would say that there
is on one level, let's make it ninety five percent.
And here's why I would say that is because you
ask anybody what works for you, which would you rather have? Yeah,
of course, and the majority of people are gona say, yeah,
I'd rather have the compliment. You know, I don't I
want to get kicked in the button in negative way.
I mean I like a little pressure, like a little uh,
(08:14):
you know, elevate me, make me better, sure, but I
don't need that to be negative. Most people are going
to say that, yeah, Well.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
It's it's like the pitching coach that walks out to
the mound after you've just given up a three run
home run. Uh. And the first word is you know
what you throw them the slider for? You know, I
mean you didn't do it on purpose.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
You know, I mean they don't feel bad already.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, that's exactly. And and I carry that analogy onto
onto a workplace environment. You know, go out there and
see the pitcher and say, hey, man, tough one. You know,
tough one, don't worry. You gave us six good innings.
You know, hit the showers. We'll take it from here.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
The guy's going to walk off the mound feeling a
lot different. And if you compare that to work, I mean,
there's a million interactions in workplaces and you can either
be negative and then basically put people down or you
can try to lift them up. So I love everything
that you've said, David, tell us about the book and
how can people get it?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
The book's called Powerful Phrases for dealing with the Workplace of Conflict.
We have over three hundred phrases, specific words you can
use to start those conversations. All it's going to be
super productive. It's available anywhere books are sold. So if
you like audio, or you listen to the radio, so
you like audio, my partner and I read that book together,
and so where the authors and you can get that
directly from us if you like audio. But it's available
(09:33):
anywhere books are sold. And if you want to find
out more about us, you can go to let's Grow
leaders dot com and we've got a bunch of different
resources there, including a free discussion guide that's download anybody
who can get that, and you can walk through how
to use these phrases, how to have these productive conversations
yourself at work and guide your team through it. And
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you can do that all on your own. That's available
free at the website.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Sounds great at Amazon, I'm sure the book is available.
The other thing which I want you to know is
we post these interviews. My producer will explain to you,
but we'll be posting our interview on our website nightside
on demand, and you can get this anytime tomorrow. Put
it down, put it up on your website, shirt with
however many people you like. It's a nice seven eight
(10:18):
minute interview which explains your organization. I hope, I know
you did a great job and it I hope I
help you a little bit along the way. But stay
there and Rob will tell you how easy it is
to pull it down off of our website Nightside on
Demand sometime probably anytime after two three o'clock tomorrow morning.
Rob posts them up after midnight.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Okay, appreciate it, Dan, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Appreciate it whole lot. We get back on to talk
about sharks in the North Shore. No, not land sharks,
sharks in the ocean. The water is a little more
a little colder up north of the city than it
is down on the other side of the cape. So
we'll try to find out what's going on. Going to
talk with John Chisholm from the New England Aquarium. Great location.
He's involved. He's a scientist for me Wig Aquarium who's
(11:00):
involved in He studies sharks. A lot of people study sharks.
Back on Nightside, stay right with us. Coming back right
after this. Now back to Dan ray Line from the
Window World Night six Studios on w b Z News Radio. Well,
all of us in New England know a lot about sharks,
but probably no one knows as much about sharks as
John Chisholm. He's a scientist at the New England Aquarium
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and he studies sharks. John, Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
How are you, sir, good Dan? How are you?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I'm doing great. Look, my kids have a shark tivity,
so we follow the sharks like they follow the sharks
like most people follow the stock market or the Red
Sox red Sox standing which has not been good recently.
So what's going on sharks on the north Shore? I'm
going to take a guess, but I'm assuming it's a
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little rarer up to because the water's colder off our
lovely north shore that it is off the cape. Is
that a factor in the fact that they're migrating and
maybe coming up a little further north than they normally.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Would Actually, No, they people, You've.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Just proven I know nothing about That's it. Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
There's a lot of different shark species and some of
them are expanding their range because of warming waters. But
white sharks are one of the species that actually prefer
temperate waters. They like the sixty degrees sixty to mid sixties.
That's really their their preferred water temperature, and that's what
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we have right now up off the north shore. But
a lot of people are surprised with the activity this
week to learn that there are white sharks in the area.
But every year we see white shucks in that area
this time. If you go on the Atlantic White Shuck
Conservancy website and you look at their their log book,
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you can see that it shows all the receivers over
the years that have detected sharks. You can look at
the receivers up on the north Shore and in Cape
Card Bay and you see September is the time that
we start to get more activity, and that that's why
if you've been following shar activity you can see that
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throughout Massachusetts and New England, September is one of the
peak months for activities. So we always warn people, you know,
b sharks smart. A lot of people just think of
it as a Cape Card thing, but it's it's an
actual Atlantic Ocean thing. So if you're going to you're
going to the beach in Massachusetts or New England, even
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up in the Canada, you know, you have to be
aware that that's white shark habitat and this is the
peak time of year for activities.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So this is so obviously you need to be concerned
about it. But this is not a new development that
it sounds to me like this is just part of
the ocean seasons as it goes from the coldest waters
in the spring through maybe the best waters. Many people
say the best time to swim in the ocean off
of Cape Cod is in September or October in terms
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of if you want warmer water.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Right, that's spot on. Even though the water the air
temperatures are dropping in the fall, it's actually when we
have the warmer water. So a lot of people do
go to the beach still through September, but they just
don't realize that they're also swimming with the sharks who
also like that water. But it in the case of
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us sightings in the past week up off the north shore,
it is a spike in activity. We do have sharks,
like I said, every year up there, especially this time
of year, but we haven't seen the numbers like we
have in the past couple of weeks. And we also
know which doesn't get as much coverage. But there's been
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a lot of blue fin tuna up there, there's been
a lot of whale sightings. There's been other sharks as well,
like ploor biago sharks and macro shocks, so that's an
indication that there's a lot of productivity going on in
that area. The water conditions are right, the food is there,
so the sharks are there.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So oftentimes when there's anything that like this, some folks
will say, well, it must be climate change. This is
not something that is a negative thing necessarily. When you
say productivity, I think what you're saying is that the
sharks are having more time and spending time with one
another and nature happens.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely as much as some people may
be scared about it, you don't have to be scared,
you just need to be aware. But it's a good thing.
It's a sign that, you know, we have good water,
we have a lot of food prey items for the
sharks and other fish, and there's any fishermen can tell you. You know,
every year fishermen try to find the best fishing spot
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and every year it changes depending on how the conditions
set up. A couple of years ago off of Plymouth
was you know, great, same thing going on, a great
water tempters, a lot of bait fish, a lot of productivity.
We saw a lot of tuna, whales and sharks. So
it's you know, it happens every year. You know, the
conditions set up in different places, and I think that's
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what we're seeing this year up off the north shore
is the sharks are there every year, but this year
the conditions are just really good for them to be
an abundance up there right now.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Okay, So I got a couple of other questions. One
and if you and I had been living here one
hundred years ago or two hundred years ago, and we
had all of the tracking capacity that you and other
professionals in the New England Aquarium have, would have this
been pretty much considered. You know, this is what has
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been going on for a long time. This is not
something that has just popped up in the last couple
of years. That's that's the sense I'm getting from you.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, we know because white sharks have been protected since
nineteen ninety seven, and also they're their food has been
protected the seals since nineteen seventy two, that we are
seeing in increase in numbers. But if you go back
through history, and the best example I can give you
is Henry David Threaux and his book Tape Cod He
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writes about white sharks off of Wellfleet, So we know
they were there, you know, and even further back. If
you go into Native American more archaeological digs, yeah, you
can find white shark teeth. So you know they were
always here and now we're seeing a resurgence thanks to
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the protections that they've been afforded. But they've always been
they've been here before us.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Excellent, That's that's great news. My last question is when
the weather really turns in November. Well, the sharks that
we're seeing off either the north or the cape, how
far back seal did they drift for the winter.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Well, they go further than even we thought. So one
of the shocks, we have a shock if you go
on the Shocktivity app and your kids can probably tell
you all about her. We have a shock named Wee
Beth that was tagged by Captain Chip, Mike Love and
Megan Linton from the Atlantic White Shark Conservancy off of
South Carolina. Over the winter. That shock went all the
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way to Mexico, came back along the Gulf Coast, made
a tour of the Eastern seaboard, and is currently on
the west side of Prince Edward Island, Canada. So they
travel pretty far. And I mean, like we've been talking about,
it's all about you know, comfortable water temperatures. They like
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their preferred water temperatures and the availability of food so well.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I know that they have a seal buffet down off
the cape on Montamoy Island because I've been out there
looked at that. That is if you love seal, you know.
It's like some people go to the salad the buffet
and they love shrimp and they'll put twenty shrimp on
their plate. The sharks love seal, and that's where they
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had their seal buffet. John, I really enjoyed this conversation.
I don't know a lot about it, but you have
taught me a lot in a brief period of time.
The New England Aquarium is just great. I hope you
guys are doing well there, and I hope any family
that has kids who are young, it is one of
the best places to bring young kids, particularly as they're
just coming of age six, seven, eight, nine years old.
(19:36):
Perfect just to open their eyes to the to the
rest of the world. John, have a great, great last well,
I guess the last half weekend of summer.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Okay, all right, all right, thanks Dan, You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
John. Thanks again. We get back right after the news
we're going to introduce you to a new trend. I
know you're not going to believe this one, but this
is true and there's a reason for it. There are
people out there who eating dirt. Yeah, believe it or
not eating dirt. My name's Dan Ray. And again, if
you missed any of our interviews here during the eight
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o'clock newscast during the eight o'clock hours, I should say
any week going back now for over a year, you
can just go to Nightside on demand dot com and
you just roll up your back. So if you just
missed this, this will be posted by Rob sometime tonight,
probably after midnight one o'clock or so. So I should
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have told John Chisholm. He also can pull this down
for the New England Aquarium. If you're listening, John, you
can pull it down for the New England Aquarium and
post it on New England Aquarium's webpage. And you did
a great job. You're a great spokesperson. Take advantage of
that opportunity. It's free and it's there for the asking.
We're coming back on night Side right after the news
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and we try to make it easy. Coming back on
Nightside and we will talk about eating dirt for healthy reasons.
Believe it or not, It's Night with.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
This is a story that some of you might not believe,
but that's okay. It's a new health trend that is
going on right now. Eating dirt.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, Remember when your mother used to say to you,
I'll go out and play in the yard and get
your hands a little dirty or whatever, and it's okay,
good for you. You build up some immunity to germs. I
guess with us is Adrian Hernandez. Adrian Hernande is a
registered dietitian and nutritionist. Adrian, Welcome to Night Side. How
are you.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I'm great? How are you Dan?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I'm doing fine. You know, I'm surprised by this, but
I'm not stunned. But when I think about it for
a second, I think to myself, no, you are. You're surprised,
and you're stunned. What's going on here? I mean, this
doesn't sound like something that makes a lot of sense.
(22:26):
It's like carrying something a little bit overboard. But I
guess young people are doing this TikTok users. Are they
doing this as a is a challenge or are they
doing it to improve their health? What's going on?
Speaker 6 (22:41):
So I think it's actually been happening for quite some time.
I think TikTok has just started to trend with it,
probably because one person shared when I was looking at
TikTokers that were posting about it, they were actually older individuals,
not just young individuals, and they were talking about it.
And so eating dirt is actually known as geology, and
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it's been practiced for thousands of years across many cultures
in Asia, Africa, and Americas. So they've used it traditionally
for spiritual, cultural or medicinal practice. But nowadays we don't
have the same kind of of dirt or the same
kind of environment. Right, So to your point that you know,
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our parents used to tell us a little dirt never hurt.
Exposure to environmental bacteria, especially during like the first thousand
days of life, can definitely be beneficial for developing a
robust immune system. But that's not a green light to
start eating dirt. It's about balanced exposure to a variety
of bacteria in or environment.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But by note, I mentioned you when your mother said,
or what someone to say to you, it's okay, you
said it. The first thousand days. That's the first three
years of life. So you're saying time they are born
until three they're out in the backyard, they're making mud
pies or something like that, you know, playing in just
exploring exactly true, does that help them build the immunity?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
In fact, it does.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
So you look at research that looks at children with
a lot of allergies. Number one, it comes from you know,
genetics can definitely play a role, but also the environment
in which they grow up in. You know, where they
are on significant amount of antibiotics, where they premature baby
with complications, did they live in a really sterile environment
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where they didn't have the opportunity to really allow their
bodies to become resilient.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Well, yeah, for example, as you were telling me that
I was thinking to myself, if some kid grew up
on a farm in Kansas and another kid the same health,
you know, they both relatively healthy or healthy kids, and
the other kid grew up on the west side of
the East Side of Manhattan and lived in a you know,
(25:07):
with his family in a condominium on the thirty fourth
flour it very really actually his feet hardly ever touched
the ground in the first three years. That's a whole
different experience. So what you're telling me, I think what
I'm hearing you say, and if I'm wrong, is that
the three year old who grows up on the farm
in Kansas probably is going to have a better immunity
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system at the age of three than the little kid
who grew up living in the condominium in Manhattan. Am
I following you?
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Well?
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Not necessarily, because bacteria lives all over in our environment.
And if there's anything we learned from COVID, you know,
you touch your face, how many times a day you
have germs all over your hands? Right, So it's one
thing if you live in a really, really sterile environment
where maybe your parents are constantly keeping things clean or
constantly washing your hands, and you're not allowed to call
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on the floor and you.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Know your okay, So let's come back to who's eating
dirt and what type of dirt are they eating? This
is going to get commercialized. I gotta I gotta believe
it that they're not people to go out in the
backyard and you know, take your take a tea spoone
and go out and have a couple of spoonfuls of
dirt on top of your chocolate ice cream.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
I assume exactly. I I really believe that the individuals
that are craving dirt actually may have micronutrient deficiencies. There's
actually a condition called pika p i c a where
people crave non food items like dirt, clay, or even
paint chips, and it's actually related to micronutrient deficiencies like iron, zinc,
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and calcium, which are found in soil.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Paint chips. People want to eat paint chips. What do
they have a lead deficiency?
Speaker 6 (26:54):
It's quite it's quite wild.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I'm just saying that we always say don't eat you know,
kids eat paint. They get there's there's amount of there's
some lead and paint. So do you think this is
gonna be will there be finally some Hollywood actor or
actress who's going to break through. You know, it's one
thing to be on TikTok, But do you think that
we're gonna see some I don't know people, magazine, story
(27:19):
or whatever where someone's gonna say, oh, yeah, I eat
dirt all the time, you know, four or five times
a week just to keep me healthy. Do you think
it's gonna break out like that or is there something
that's a little fad that's gonna gonna you know, grow
and then disappear.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
I mean, I honestly hope not. You know, dirt can
also have a lot of things like animal secs, bacteria
like E. Coli, parasite, a lot of heavy metals.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's nuts.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So will it be will there be some company or
is there already some company out there that's packaging dirt
and saying this is good dirt to eat. As are
we at that point? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
So based on what I was looking at, it looks
like they're recommending organic biodynamic soil, which is essentially compost,
so it's commercially sold, but individuals are not using it
for gardening. I guess they're using it to ingest, so
I definitely could imagine that there are some vendors probably
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selling dirt, but you really don't know what it actually contains, so,
you know, so.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I'm not going to recommend to my listeners to go
out this weekend and grab a scoop up a couple
of handfuls of dirt, but there are people who are
just ingesting dirt. Has the last question, has there been
any sort of a study done of some sample size
of individuals who over the last period of time, you
(28:50):
know whatever. That time would be four years, five years,
ten years, who have done this on a regular basis
and they are dramatically healthier than most people of their age.
Are there any studies that you're aware of it? And
I know I'm asking your questions that I don't know
the answer to, which is what I do for a living.
So if you don't know the answer, you could say, Dan,
you got me on that one, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
No, not not at all.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Actually, I haven't seen any studies when looking at you know,
my resources. Eating dirt might be trending, but it's definitely
not safe or an effective way to address your nutrient needs.
So talking to your doctor or consulting with a dietitian.
If you are craving odd things like dirt or clay,
to really take a look at you know, what is
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the reason why.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Well, Adrian, that's the best answer that anyone could give,
and I thank you for that answer. For me, the
only thing I crave is dark chocolate and on weekends
course lights and I hope that you know in moderation
those those both work. I thank you so much of
your time. I've really enjoyed talking with you. As Rock
told you, you could pull this down on your website.
(29:57):
How can folks get in touch with you or how
can folks learn more about your work?
Speaker 6 (30:02):
Yeah, so I see patients on the East Coast. I'm
based in Washington, d C. I'm an insurance base practice
and I focus on complex GI conditions and autoimmune disease.
They can go to my website at ah nutrition dot
com to schedule an appointment or get in touch with me.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Sounds great, Adrian, I really enjoyed talking it. I learned
a lot from this conversation. I thank you very much
for your time.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Thanks so much, have a good weekend.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Welcome we come back. Everyone up in our neck of
the woods here knows about the tops Field Fair has
been around for a while. We're going to talk with
James O'Brien. He's the general manager of the tops Fields Fair.
There's some ticket scams going on and we want to
alert you to the feared. I don't think opens. I
think it runs from October fourth until October fourteenth this year.
(30:48):
This is one you want to pay attention to, particularly
if you've got to be going up to the fair.
I want to make sure you buy your tickets to
get in and that those tickets do get you in.
So we'll be talking with James O'Brien of the top
Feel Fair. Right after this break quick break on Nightside.
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios, i' WBZ News Radio. All right back here
(31:12):
for our last eight pm interview for this week. We're
going to talk with James O'Brien. He is the general
manager of the tops Field Fair. Now everybody in New
England knows about the tops Field Fair. Jim O'Brien, welcome
to Nightside.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
How are you hey?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Very good? Thank you, Dan, glad to be on.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Well, I'm delighted to have you on. My producer told
me today that you're a regular listener, which makes you
my favorite guest of the night at this point.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Hey, every night we try to watch. When I'm in
the cod traveling from work, I always listen to you,
so thank you. It's always interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
So, first of all, the tops Field Fair has been
going on here in New England. How many years?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Two and six?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Okay, I'll ask you, the oldest fear in America to
continually run.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Okay, So it has some staying power. That's a good thing.
And this year is going to run from October fourth
to October warteen, okay, So it's eleven days of just
great family fun and as wonderful as it is, everybody
knows about, everybody knows where it is. It is a great,
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great event that everyone looks for you. This is like
the perfect time of the year, great weather, we hope,
and all of that. But you got a little bit
of a ticket scam going on up there, and you're
coming on tonight to make kind of a public service
announcement to make sure that none of the folks who
are coming your way and going to buy tickets at
the top Fee Fair are going to get scammed. Tell
us about it.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, So Wednesday night we got a phone call from
a patron that was asking us about an expensive ticket
to come to the fair, and we said, that's absolutely
not right. The only ticket that people should be buying
is on topsofear dot org. What happened was is we
have shows, we have three Dog Night, we have thirty
(33:00):
eight Special, we have Bandy and Tay, we have Rodeo.
Well it's all with your admission. They were trying to
actually sell those as separate tickets on an illegal website.
When you come to the top so Fear and you
buy an entry ticket, which right now are on sale
for fifteen dollars, is a prefare. It's twenty dollars once
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we open. But those concerts and other places around New England,
you'd pay fifty sixty dollars to go to those concerts.
So I guess that's how they got the idea that
these shows were worth that kind of money. But absolutely
nobody should be paying that kind of money for tickets.
It's not right, it's fraudulent and we absolutely do not
want people to lose their money. As you mentioned, Top
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of Fiels been around a long time and we're very
proud of the fact that we can put it on
a quality family entertainment for not a whole lot of money.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Oh that sounds like the best ticket in town for sure.
So how do you get You get some pretty good
musicians here. What do you have a little bit? You
must have a pretty good sized stage. I assume tell
us about tell about just about the music, and then
we'll get into some of the other attractions.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, so our music. We have a grandstand area. Again,
there's no additional chots to come to any of our
grandstand shows. The first weekend we have the Dog Dogs,
which doesn't sound like much, but I'll tell you it's
a really fun event where people bring in their own
dogs and they jump into a pool and they chase
some It's really exciting and fun. I myself saw it
(34:35):
at Different Fears, and I wasn't too overly impressed, be
honest with you. But after seeing it and the kids
and everybody having fun with it, it's just a great
and that's a great grandstand thing. But for us, on
Wednesday night we have three Dog Night, Three Dog Night.
If you go online, yeah, they're selling tickets for all
kinds of money. You don't have to pay that kind
of money. You come to Top Field Fear for your
(34:55):
admission fee.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
You go see our shows. All of our shows are
on rounds, which we're running five stages NonStop all day long.
Are free with admission. There is no additional charges to
come to Fear. If you want to buy something, you
want to buy that exotic food. Do you want to
buy something like that, that's different, or if you want
to ride the rides, that's different. But your admission, all
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your entertainment is included in your admission.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
To take us behind the scenes a little bit, do
you guys prepare all year round for the fair or
do you ramp up sometime in you know, July and
August and all of that give us just a little
sense of the preparations that you that you have to show.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
It takes it takes me eighteen months to run one fear.
It takes us eighteen months to plan it. We have
to plan that fire out. We have three hundred employees
while we're open, and we have almost eight hundred volunteers
that make our Fear work. We have thirty six different departments.
We have over twenty five entries between animals, crafts, quilts, flowers, chickens,
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guinea pigs, rabbits, almost anything you can think of, goat, sheeps, horses,
but that generates all you long. It takes all you
long to plan the Fear, and people have to prepare
ahead of time. It's not something they whip up in
two weeks. It's something they've been working on for a
long time.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And how long have you been doing this yourself? Is
this a lifelong career?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I have to say it probably is. I work thirty
years for Brooksby Farm and Peebety, which is a lodge
apple orchid, and then I've been general manager of the
Fear for eighteen years. So yeah, I've been in agriculture
all my life. I've been involved with growing and part
of agriculture. You know, it's a natural thing for me personally,
Me and my family, we've always been part of agriculture.
(36:56):
We've always been part of either the growing end or
this end. Working with all our friends and neighbors that
come to the fair and take part. I mean, it's
an exciting time of year for all of us, and
it's a very exciting time for me personally as I
get an opportunity to see all these people that come
to the fair, either as a customer or as a
patron or a guest, or is somebody that enters something
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every year. So it's really a community event.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
So we draw between I got a question.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Okay, it's a great event. Okay, has it it's normally
about ten days? Have you ever thought about running it longer?
Or does it? Does it lose you know, being as
special as it is if you ran it, let's say
for two weeks, as opposed to ten days or three weeks.
Explain the timing.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Yeah, so the biggie right now is running and they
run over three weeks. But for us, eleven days is enough.
I'll be honest with you. Exhausted at the end of
eleven days, Yeah, you know, and eleven days allows again
uppers over five hundred thousand people come through our gates
over that time frame. I'm not so sure if we
(38:08):
dragged it out, it would just be the same five
hundred thousand people over more days or.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
A point of diminishing returns. It's almost like, you know,
Saint Patrick's Day, If if you had Saint Patrick's Day
ten days a year, it wouldn't be special on March
on March seventeenth.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Right, And I mean one of the things too, is
that's really primary to us to hear at the Fear
is that we make sure that if you show up
on the first day, the first hour, and you show
up on the last day, on the last hour, that
the Fear looks exactly the same, that it's clean, sanitary,
and all our displays look good. How flowered a pot
it flips three times during the course of the Fear.
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To make sure that all our plants are healthy and
look fantastic on day one and on day eleven.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Oh that sounds great.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Same thing. You know, we just spend it. We're really
taking to pride that we want to make sure that
you don't have to come on the first day to
see the best display, because if you come on the
last day, I'm going to make sure that display is perfect.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
You sound like somebody. You sound like somebody who throws
your heart and soul into it. I want to say
a perfectionist, but some people look at that word, but
you know it's you're always going to put on a
good show. Jim O'Brien, thank you so much for the
hard work. And on behalf of everybody who's going to
be up there this year. They're looking forward to it.
I wish you all the best with some great weather,
(39:32):
that's for sure. Thanks Jim, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
The weather everything, okay, thank you.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
All right, we get back when we talk about a
dispute at Boston City Hall overflying is IF Israeli flag
to commemorate the horrific massacre by Hamas on October seventh.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Believe it or not, that is a controversy at Boston
City Hall. We will explain to you why. We'll talk
with City Councilor Ed Flynn and also my great friend
Jeff Robbins. And this is a This is a very
interesting story if you're interested in the issue of Israel
and American support for that set upon country. Back after
(40:15):
this on Nightside,
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston News Radio. Nicole,
you are the best at segues. You're hit a home run.
I love that those people who listened to the Red
Sox last night didn't see much action. They got a
one hitter. They were one hit by a pitcher who
the Red Sox gave up part a year or so ago.
And Patriot fans ugly ugly in New York last night.
(00:24):
But it won't be ugly here on Nightside. You know
that we're always gonna have fun. Yeah, we're gonna have
some disagreements, but we're gonna remain friends. It's a simple
as sad. My name is Dan Ray. I am the
host of Nightside and Nicole. And if you're still in
the studio but have a great weekend, oh yes, you
too deserve it, that is for sure. You are the
best person.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
You give me a lot of time to practice, which
I appreciate. It's just like, you know what, I have
a really good excuse to work on it, so I'll
come up with another few for next week.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You're great. You always hit a home run. I love that.
It's as simple as that. But last night, those Patriots
just didn't do it. It was and the Red Sox, Oh,
I remember when you left last night. He said, we
will be more fun and more entertaining. And guess what,
the bar was very high.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I mean you always are.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
But yeah, from what I heard, I didn't watch it,
it's probably ugly.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
And the guy that threw the one hitter, he only
went seven innings, but he threw a one hitter and
that's all the hits. The Red Sox said. The Red
Sox had had him like a year ago and they
gave up on him.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Oh my, it's rebuilding or something.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well, I don't know. We're still alive, but they were
still mathematically in it, so.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
That's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Right, They still have a chance, you know, and you
can always.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Just go get a family, frank and forget about the rest.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah. Right, they have a great weekend, you two. I'm
glad I caught you. Thanks very much. All right, we're
ready to go. Here we will be talking about a
flight over flying the Israeli flag at Boston City Hall Plaza.
We talking about the City councilor Ed Flynn along with
my great friend Jeff Robbins, former Delegate to the United
Nations Human Rights Council, lawyer extraordinary, former head of the
(01:59):
Anti Defamation League here in New England, and we'll get
to all of that, and we'll also talking about a
new chapter in the Karen Reid case. We'll explain it
with a couple of really good lawyers, Bill Kickham and
Robert George. Bob George coming up at ten o'clock. But
in the meantime we're going to do our first hour
where we talk with four newsmakers of some sort or
some level. Going to begin with the gentlemen by the
(02:20):
name of David Die. David Dye, Welcome to Nightside. How
are you, sir.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Damn? Doing well?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You are an author and president of a group called
Let's Grow Leaders, of Global Leadership development firm known for
practical tools and techniques for human centered leaders. I love
that word human centered leaders, because I don't know what
type of leaders we're going to have if they're not
human centered. You have written a book called Powerful Phrases
(02:49):
for Dealing with Workplace Conflict, Let's Grow Leaders. Tell us
about it. How much workplace conflict do we have in
America these days? I thought, I know, I thought everybody
was working from home.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Well, it's interesting you say that. You know, there's a
sense that a lot of people I say, wow, I
think we're having more conflicts. We actually did a five
thousand plus research study. We surveyed five thousand people around
the world, including all fifty US states, and asked them,
you're like, what is happening with workplace conflict? I mean
you're having more or less? And seventy percent of people
around the world, including the US, said, you know, I'm
(03:25):
having as much or more than I ever had in
the past. And even if you look at those thirty
percent and he said they're having less exactly what you're saying,
Half of them said they just escaped. They escaped the
toxic workplace, they escaped some conflict, or they're working from home.
They're not seeing people, so they're just not having interactions.
And then you get all the things that are.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Lost in that.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
So it might be more peaceful to them, but there's
a lot lost in that even so, well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
If you just listen to a little back and forth
between myself, who's a talk show host, and Nicole Davis,
who is one of our great news anchors here at WBZ,
we have a lot of really fun people to work
with where I work, So I'm been a tough time
sort of relating to this. But as I understand it,
in your book, you have powerful phrases for dealing with
(04:09):
workplace conflict. That's intriguing. Give me a couple of examples.
Are you talking about conflict between a boss and a worker.
Are you talking about probably you're talking about everything working
a worker conflict. You find yourself in a testing conversation
with someone with whom you either are working with or
(04:31):
working for, and you got some powerful phrases to, I guess,
diffuse the situation.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
You said it earlier when you were talking to you said, Hey,
we're going to have disagreements, but we're still going to
be friends. And that is really what's at the heart
of all of this is how do we respectfully disagree,
have those conversations and come up with something that's better.
Because we've all got our perspectives and so forth, so
many of us, when we think of workplace conflict, people
immediately shy away. They win and say, oh, I don't
(05:01):
want to do that. Why because it feels destructive. We
want to move away from that that destructive kind of
conflict and to productive conflict with There's just another word
for that is collaboration. So how do we do that?
You know, there's four dimensions of this, of these conversations,
and if we can invest in these upfront, like you're saying,
we understand one another, we know each other as human beings.
(05:22):
So that connection, that's the first dimension, and we can
start any conversation with that, even if we don't know
the person. You're talking to, somebody from a different department
you've got to work with and you need something, uh,
they've got a different agenda, start the conversation with something
practical like, hey, listen, I know that there's some things
you've got going on, and I really want to figure
out a way that we can work through this together
(05:42):
in a way that's going to get the best for
both of us, not going to be a headache for you,
not gonna be a headache for us. I'm confident we
can do that, you know, just starting with a practical
phrase like that to build that connection absolutely, you know,
you look at it another source.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Oh go ahead, No, I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Saying that that makes sense because a lot of time
should throw it into situations and you know, every company
is different. I work in the media and what do
you folks do? Do you go around and meet with
management of companies? How do you what do you do
to support yourself? Obviously I'm going to suggest that people
(06:17):
might want to read the book that you've written, Oh
for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
So we work with firms all over the world. So
we've got global clients and work with managers and leaders
to equip them with really practical leadership management tools so
they're able to help their teams achieve really good breakthrough
transformational results while they also create a climate where people
grow and thrive. And so that's really what our work
(06:43):
is and we help organizations to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
How long you've been doing this? This is this a
new venture post post covid or have you been around
for a long time?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Over a decades?
Speaker 5 (06:55):
So I've been at this since twenty long time.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
That's a long time. And you find that most people
are at least willing to hear listen to you or
hear you out.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
You know, there's a wide variety out there, and we're
very up fun about it. I say, listen, if you
consider yourself a human centered leader and you are wanting
those skills, then we're here for you. We can get
real practical, we can help you do that. Some people
aren't interested in that, and that it's okay, we're not
for them. No, not everyone's for everyone, so that's all right.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
What percentage of, however, you want to describe people as leaders,
whether you're talking about the CEO at the top of
the company or the middle management person or the person,
what percentage of people do you think realize that you're
going to get more out of a worker if you
give them a compliment or a pat on the back
(07:48):
as opposed to a kick in the butt.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
You know, it's very interesting. I would say that there
is on one level, let's make it ninety five percent.
And here's why I would say that is because you
ask anybody what works for you, which would you rather have? Yeah,
of course, and the majority of people are gona say, yeah,
I'd rather have the compliment. You know, I don't I
want to get kicked in the button in negative way.
I mean I like a little pressure, like a little uh,
(08:14):
you know, elevate me, make me better, sure, but I
don't need that to be negative. Most people are going
to say that, yeah, Well.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
It's it's like the pitching coach that walks out to
the mound after you've just given up a three run
home run. Uh. And the first word is you know
what you throw them the slider for? You know, I
mean you didn't do it on purpose.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
You know, I mean they don't feel bad already.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, that's exactly. And and I carry that analogy onto
onto a workplace environment. You know, go out there and
see the pitcher and say, hey, man, tough one. You know,
tough one, don't worry. You gave us six good innings.
You know, hit the showers. We'll take it from here.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
The guy's going to walk off the mound feeling a
lot different. And if you compare that to work, I mean,
there's a million interactions in workplaces and you can either
be negative and then basically put people down or you
can try to lift them up. So I love everything
that you've said, David, tell us about the book and
how can people get it?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
The book's called Powerful Phrases for dealing with the Workplace of Conflict.
We have over three hundred phrases, specific words you can
use to start those conversations. All it's going to be
super productive. It's available anywhere books are sold. So if
you like audio, or you listen to the radio, so
you like audio, my partner and I read that book together,
and so where the authors and you can get that
directly from us if you like audio. But it's available
(09:33):
anywhere books are sold. And if you want to find
out more about us, you can go to let's Grow
leaders dot com and we've got a bunch of different
resources there, including a free discussion guide that's download anybody
who can get that, and you can walk through how
to use these phrases, how to have these productive conversations
yourself at work and guide your team through it. And
(09:54):
you can do that all on your own. That's available
free at the website.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Sounds great at Amazon, I'm sure the book is available.
The other thing which I want you to know is
we post these interviews. My producer will explain to you,
but we'll be posting our interview on our website nightside
on demand, and you can get this anytime tomorrow. Put
it down, put it up on your website, shirt with
however many people you like. It's a nice seven eight
(10:18):
minute interview which explains your organization. I hope, I know
you did a great job and it I hope I
help you a little bit along the way. But stay
there and Rob will tell you how easy it is
to pull it down off of our website Nightside on
Demand sometime probably anytime after two three o'clock tomorrow morning.
Rob posts them up after midnight.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Okay, appreciate it, Dan, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Appreciate it whole lot. We get back on to talk
about sharks in the North Shore. No, not land sharks,
sharks in the ocean. The water is a little more
a little colder up north of the city than it
is down on the other side of the cape. So
we'll try to find out what's going on. Going to
talk with John Chisholm from the New England Aquarium. Great location.
He's involved. He's a scientist for me Wig Aquarium who's
(11:00):
involved in He studies sharks. A lot of people study sharks.
Back on Nightside, stay right with us. Coming back right
after this. Now back to Dan ray Line from the
Window World Night six Studios on w b Z News Radio. Well,
all of us in New England know a lot about sharks,
but probably no one knows as much about sharks as
John Chisholm. He's a scientist at the New England Aquarium
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and he studies sharks. John, Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
How are you, sir, good Dan? How are you?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I'm doing great. Look, my kids have a shark tivity,
so we follow the sharks like they follow the sharks
like most people follow the stock market or the Red
Sox red Sox standing which has not been good recently.
So what's going on sharks on the north Shore? I'm
going to take a guess, but I'm assuming it's a
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little rarer up to because the water's colder off our
lovely north shore that it is off the cape. Is
that a factor in the fact that they're migrating and
maybe coming up a little further north than they normally.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Would Actually, No, they people, You've.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Just proven I know nothing about That's it. Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
There's a lot of different shark species and some of
them are expanding their range because of warming waters. But
white sharks are one of the species that actually prefer
temperate waters. They like the sixty degrees sixty to mid sixties.
That's really their their preferred water temperature, and that's what
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we have right now up off the north shore. But
a lot of people are surprised with the activity this
week to learn that there are white sharks in the area.
But every year we see white shucks in that area
this time. If you go on the Atlantic White Shuck
Conservancy website and you look at their their log book,
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you can see that it shows all the receivers over
the years that have detected sharks. You can look at
the receivers up on the north Shore and in Cape
Card Bay and you see September is the time that
we start to get more activity, and that that's why
if you've been following shar activity you can see that
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throughout Massachusetts and New England, September is one of the
peak months for activities. So we always warn people, you know,
b sharks smart. A lot of people just think of
it as a Cape Card thing, but it's it's an
actual Atlantic Ocean thing. So if you're going to you're
going to the beach in Massachusetts or New England, even
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up in the Canada, you know, you have to be
aware that that's white shark habitat and this is the
peak time of year for activities.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So this is so obviously you need to be concerned
about it. But this is not a new development that
it sounds to me like this is just part of
the ocean seasons as it goes from the coldest waters
in the spring through maybe the best waters. Many people
say the best time to swim in the ocean off
of Cape Cod is in September or October in terms
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of if you want warmer water.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Right, that's spot on. Even though the water the air
temperatures are dropping in the fall, it's actually when we
have the warmer water. So a lot of people do
go to the beach still through September, but they just
don't realize that they're also swimming with the sharks who
also like that water. But it in the case of
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us sightings in the past week up off the north shore,
it is a spike in activity. We do have sharks,
like I said, every year up there, especially this time
of year, but we haven't seen the numbers like we
have in the past couple of weeks. And we also
know which doesn't get as much coverage. But there's been
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a lot of blue fin tuna up there, there's been
a lot of whale sightings. There's been other sharks as well,
like ploor biago sharks and macro shocks, so that's an
indication that there's a lot of productivity going on in
that area. The water conditions are right, the food is there,
so the sharks are there.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So oftentimes when there's anything that like this, some folks
will say, well, it must be climate change. This is
not something that is a negative thing necessarily. When you
say productivity, I think what you're saying is that the
sharks are having more time and spending time with one
another and nature happens.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely as much as some people may
be scared about it, you don't have to be scared,
you just need to be aware. But it's a good thing.
It's a sign that, you know, we have good water,
we have a lot of food prey items for the
sharks and other fish, and there's any fishermen can tell you. You know,
every year fishermen try to find the best fishing spot
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and every year it changes depending on how the conditions
set up. A couple of years ago off of Plymouth
was you know, great, same thing going on, a great
water tempters, a lot of bait fish, a lot of productivity.
We saw a lot of tuna, whales and sharks. So
it's you know, it happens every year. You know, the
conditions set up in different places, and I think that's
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what we're seeing this year up off the north shore
is the sharks are there every year, but this year
the conditions are just really good for them to be
an abundance up there right now.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Okay, So I got a couple of other questions. One
and if you and I had been living here one
hundred years ago or two hundred years ago, and we
had all of the tracking capacity that you and other
professionals in the New England Aquarium have, would have this
been pretty much considered. You know, this is what has
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been going on for a long time. This is not
something that has just popped up in the last couple
of years. That's that's the sense I'm getting from you.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, we know because white sharks have been protected since
nineteen ninety seven, and also they're their food has been
protected the seals since nineteen seventy two, that we are
seeing in increase in numbers. But if you go back
through history, and the best example I can give you
is Henry David Threaux and his book Tape Cod He
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writes about white sharks off of Wellfleet, So we know
they were there, you know, and even further back. If
you go into Native American more archaeological digs, yeah, you
can find white shark teeth. So you know they were
always here and now we're seeing a resurgence thanks to
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the protections that they've been afforded. But they've always been
they've been here before us.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Excellent, That's that's great news. My last question is when
the weather really turns in November. Well, the sharks that
we're seeing off either the north or the cape, how
far back seal did they drift for the winter.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Well, they go further than even we thought. So one
of the shocks, we have a shock if you go
on the Shocktivity app and your kids can probably tell
you all about her. We have a shock named Wee
Beth that was tagged by Captain Chip, Mike Love and
Megan Linton from the Atlantic White Shark Conservancy off of
South Carolina. Over the winter. That shock went all the
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way to Mexico, came back along the Gulf Coast, made
a tour of the Eastern seaboard, and is currently on
the west side of Prince Edward Island, Canada. So they
travel pretty far. And I mean, like we've been talking about,
it's all about you know, comfortable water temperatures. They like
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their preferred water temperatures and the availability of food so well.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I know that they have a seal buffet down off
the cape on Montamoy Island because I've been out there
looked at that. That is if you love seal, you know.
It's like some people go to the salad the buffet
and they love shrimp and they'll put twenty shrimp on
their plate. The sharks love seal, and that's where they
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had their seal buffet. John, I really enjoyed this conversation.
I don't know a lot about it, but you have
taught me a lot in a brief period of time.
The New England Aquarium is just great. I hope you
guys are doing well there, and I hope any family
that has kids who are young, it is one of
the best places to bring young kids, particularly as they're
just coming of age six, seven, eight, nine years old.
(19:36):
Perfect just to open their eyes to the to the
rest of the world. John, have a great, great last well,
I guess the last half weekend of summer.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Okay, all right, all right, thanks Dan, You're very welcome.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
John. Thanks again. We get back right after the news
we're going to introduce you to a new trend. I
know you're not going to believe this one, but this
is true and there's a reason for it. There are
people out there who eating dirt. Yeah, believe it or
not eating dirt. My name's Dan Ray. And again, if
you missed any of our interviews here during the eight
(20:10):
o'clock newscast during the eight o'clock hours, I should say
any week going back now for over a year, you
can just go to Nightside on demand dot com and
you just roll up your back. So if you just
missed this, this will be posted by Rob sometime tonight,
probably after midnight one o'clock or so. So I should
(20:31):
have told John Chisholm. He also can pull this down
for the New England Aquarium. If you're listening, John, you
can pull it down for the New England Aquarium and
post it on New England Aquarium's webpage. And you did
a great job. You're a great spokesperson. Take advantage of
that opportunity. It's free and it's there for the asking.
We're coming back on night Side right after the news
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and we try to make it easy. Coming back on
Nightside and we will talk about eating dirt for healthy reasons.
Believe it or not, It's Night with.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
This is a story that some of you might not believe,
but that's okay. It's a new health trend that is
going on right now. Eating dirt.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, Remember when your mother used to say to you,
I'll go out and play in the yard and get
your hands a little dirty or whatever, and it's okay,
good for you. You build up some immunity to germs. I
guess with us is Adrian Hernandez. Adrian Hernande is a
registered dietitian and nutritionist. Adrian, Welcome to Night Side. How
are you.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I'm great? How are you Dan?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I'm doing fine. You know, I'm surprised by this, but
I'm not stunned. But when I think about it for
a second, I think to myself, no, you are. You're surprised,
and you're stunned. What's going on here? I mean, this
doesn't sound like something that makes a lot of sense.
(22:26):
It's like carrying something a little bit overboard. But I
guess young people are doing this TikTok users. Are they
doing this as a is a challenge or are they
doing it to improve their health? What's going on?
Speaker 6 (22:41):
So I think it's actually been happening for quite some time.
I think TikTok has just started to trend with it,
probably because one person shared when I was looking at
TikTokers that were posting about it, they were actually older individuals,
not just young individuals, and they were talking about it.
And so eating dirt is actually known as geology, and
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it's been practiced for thousands of years across many cultures
in Asia, Africa, and Americas. So they've used it traditionally
for spiritual, cultural or medicinal practice. But nowadays we don't
have the same kind of of dirt or the same
kind of environment. Right, So to your point that you know,
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our parents used to tell us a little dirt never hurt.
Exposure to environmental bacteria, especially during like the first thousand
days of life, can definitely be beneficial for developing a
robust immune system. But that's not a green light to
start eating dirt. It's about balanced exposure to a variety
of bacteria in or environment.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But by note, I mentioned you when your mother said,
or what someone to say to you, it's okay, you
said it. The first thousand days. That's the first three
years of life. So you're saying time they are born
until three they're out in the backyard, they're making mud
pies or something like that, you know, playing in just
exploring exactly true, does that help them build the immunity?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
In fact, it does.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
So you look at research that looks at children with
a lot of allergies. Number one, it comes from you know,
genetics can definitely play a role, but also the environment
in which they grow up in. You know, where they
are on significant amount of antibiotics, where they premature baby
with complications, did they live in a really sterile environment
(24:38):
where they didn't have the opportunity to really allow their
bodies to become resilient.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Well, yeah, for example, as you were telling me that
I was thinking to myself, if some kid grew up
on a farm in Kansas and another kid the same health,
you know, they both relatively healthy or healthy kids, and
the other kid grew up on the west side of
the East Side of Manhattan and lived in a you know,
(25:07):
with his family in a condominium on the thirty fourth
flour it very really actually his feet hardly ever touched
the ground in the first three years. That's a whole
different experience. So what you're telling me, I think what
I'm hearing you say, and if I'm wrong, is that
the three year old who grows up on the farm
in Kansas probably is going to have a better immunity
(25:27):
system at the age of three than the little kid
who grew up living in the condominium in Manhattan. Am
I following you?
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Well?
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Not necessarily, because bacteria lives all over in our environment.
And if there's anything we learned from COVID, you know,
you touch your face, how many times a day you
have germs all over your hands? Right, So it's one
thing if you live in a really, really sterile environment
where maybe your parents are constantly keeping things clean or
constantly washing your hands, and you're not allowed to call
(25:58):
on the floor and you.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Know your okay, So let's come back to who's eating
dirt and what type of dirt are they eating? This
is going to get commercialized. I gotta I gotta believe
it that they're not people to go out in the
backyard and you know, take your take a tea spoone
and go out and have a couple of spoonfuls of
dirt on top of your chocolate ice cream.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
I assume exactly. I I really believe that the individuals
that are craving dirt actually may have micronutrient deficiencies. There's
actually a condition called pika p i c a where
people crave non food items like dirt, clay, or even
paint chips, and it's actually related to micronutrient deficiencies like iron, zinc,
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and calcium, which are found in soil.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Paint chips. People want to eat paint chips. What do
they have a lead deficiency?
Speaker 6 (26:54):
It's quite it's quite wild.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I'm just saying that we always say don't eat you know,
kids eat paint. They get there's there's amount of there's
some lead and paint. So do you think this is
gonna be will there be finally some Hollywood actor or
actress who's going to break through. You know, it's one
thing to be on TikTok, But do you think that
we're gonna see some I don't know people, magazine, story
(27:19):
or whatever where someone's gonna say, oh, yeah, I eat
dirt all the time, you know, four or five times
a week just to keep me healthy. Do you think
it's gonna break out like that or is there something
that's a little fad that's gonna gonna you know, grow
and then disappear.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
I mean, I honestly hope not. You know, dirt can
also have a lot of things like animal secs, bacteria
like E. Coli, parasite, a lot of heavy metals.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's nuts.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So will it be will there be some company or
is there already some company out there that's packaging dirt
and saying this is good dirt to eat. As are
we at that point? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
So based on what I was looking at, it looks
like they're recommending organic biodynamic soil, which is essentially compost,
so it's commercially sold, but individuals are not using it
for gardening. I guess they're using it to ingest, so
I definitely could imagine that there are some vendors probably
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selling dirt, but you really don't know what it actually contains, so,
you know, so.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I'm not going to recommend to my listeners to go
out this weekend and grab a scoop up a couple
of handfuls of dirt, but there are people who are
just ingesting dirt. Has the last question, has there been
any sort of a study done of some sample size
of individuals who over the last period of time, you
(28:50):
know whatever. That time would be four years, five years,
ten years, who have done this on a regular basis
and they are dramatically healthier than most people of their age.
Are there any studies that you're aware of it? And
I know I'm asking your questions that I don't know
the answer to, which is what I do for a living.
So if you don't know the answer, you could say, Dan,
you got me on that one, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
No, not not at all.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Actually, I haven't seen any studies when looking at you know,
my resources. Eating dirt might be trending, but it's definitely
not safe or an effective way to address your nutrient needs.
So talking to your doctor or consulting with a dietitian.
If you are craving odd things like dirt or clay,
to really take a look at you know, what is
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the reason why.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Well, Adrian, that's the best answer that anyone could give,
and I thank you for that answer. For me, the
only thing I crave is dark chocolate and on weekends
course lights and I hope that you know in moderation
those those both work. I thank you so much of
your time. I've really enjoyed talking with you. As Rock
told you, you could pull this down on your website.
(29:57):
How can folks get in touch with you or how
can folks learn more about your work?
Speaker 6 (30:02):
Yeah, so I see patients on the East Coast. I'm
based in Washington, d C. I'm an insurance base practice
and I focus on complex GI conditions and autoimmune disease.
They can go to my website at ah nutrition dot
com to schedule an appointment or get in touch with me.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Sounds great, Adrian, I really enjoyed talking it. I learned
a lot from this conversation. I thank you very much
for your time.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Thanks so much, have a good weekend.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Welcome we come back. Everyone up in our neck of
the woods here knows about the tops Field Fair has
been around for a while. We're going to talk with
James O'Brien. He's the general manager of the tops Fields Fair.
There's some ticket scams going on and we want to
alert you to the feared. I don't think opens. I
think it runs from October fourth until October fourteenth this year.
(30:48):
This is one you want to pay attention to, particularly
if you've got to be going up to the fair.
I want to make sure you buy your tickets to
get in and that those tickets do get you in.
So we'll be talking with James O'Brien of the top
Feel Fair. Right after this break quick break on Nightside.
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios, i' WBZ News Radio. All right back here
(31:12):
for our last eight pm interview for this week. We're
going to talk with James O'Brien. He is the general
manager of the tops Field Fair. Now everybody in New
England knows about the tops Field Fair. Jim O'Brien, welcome
to Nightside.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
How are you hey?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Very good? Thank you, Dan, glad to be on.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Well, I'm delighted to have you on. My producer told
me today that you're a regular listener, which makes you
my favorite guest of the night at this point.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Hey, every night we try to watch. When I'm in
the cod traveling from work, I always listen to you,
so thank you. It's always interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
So, first of all, the tops Field Fair has been
going on here in New England. How many years?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Two and six?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Okay, I'll ask you, the oldest fear in America to
continually run.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Okay, So it has some staying power. That's a good thing.
And this year is going to run from October fourth
to October warteen, okay, So it's eleven days of just
great family fun and as wonderful as it is, everybody
knows about, everybody knows where it is. It is a great,
(32:18):
great event that everyone looks for you. This is like
the perfect time of the year, great weather, we hope,
and all of that. But you got a little bit
of a ticket scam going on up there, and you're
coming on tonight to make kind of a public service
announcement to make sure that none of the folks who
are coming your way and going to buy tickets at
the top Fee Fair are going to get scammed. Tell
us about it.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, So Wednesday night we got a phone call from
a patron that was asking us about an expensive ticket
to come to the fair, and we said, that's absolutely
not right. The only ticket that people should be buying
is on topsofear dot org. What happened was is we
have shows, we have three Dog Night, we have thirty
(33:00):
eight Special, we have Bandy and Tay, we have Rodeo.
Well it's all with your admission. They were trying to
actually sell those as separate tickets on an illegal website.
When you come to the top so Fear and you
buy an entry ticket, which right now are on sale
for fifteen dollars, is a prefare. It's twenty dollars once
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we open. But those concerts and other places around New England,
you'd pay fifty sixty dollars to go to those concerts.
So I guess that's how they got the idea that
these shows were worth that kind of money. But absolutely
nobody should be paying that kind of money for tickets.
It's not right, it's fraudulent and we absolutely do not
want people to lose their money. As you mentioned, Top
(33:44):
of Fiels been around a long time and we're very
proud of the fact that we can put it on
a quality family entertainment for not a whole lot of money.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Oh that sounds like the best ticket in town for sure.
So how do you get You get some pretty good
musicians here. What do you have a little bit? You
must have a pretty good sized stage. I assume tell
us about tell about just about the music, and then
we'll get into some of the other attractions.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, so our music. We have a grandstand area. Again,
there's no additional chots to come to any of our
grandstand shows. The first weekend we have the Dog Dogs,
which doesn't sound like much, but I'll tell you it's
a really fun event where people bring in their own
dogs and they jump into a pool and they chase
some It's really exciting and fun. I myself saw it
(34:35):
at Different Fears, and I wasn't too overly impressed, be
honest with you. But after seeing it and the kids
and everybody having fun with it, it's just a great
and that's a great grandstand thing. But for us, on
Wednesday night we have three Dog Night, Three Dog Night.
If you go online, yeah, they're selling tickets for all
kinds of money. You don't have to pay that kind
of money. You come to Top Field Fear for your
(34:55):
admission fee.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
You go see our shows. All of our shows are
on rounds, which we're running five stages NonStop all day long.
Are free with admission. There is no additional charges to
come to Fear. If you want to buy something, you
want to buy that exotic food. Do you want to
buy something like that, that's different, or if you want
to ride the rides, that's different. But your admission, all
(35:19):
your entertainment is included in your admission.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
To take us behind the scenes a little bit, do
you guys prepare all year round for the fair or
do you ramp up sometime in you know, July and
August and all of that give us just a little
sense of the preparations that you that you have to show.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
It takes it takes me eighteen months to run one fear.
It takes us eighteen months to plan it. We have
to plan that fire out. We have three hundred employees
while we're open, and we have almost eight hundred volunteers
that make our Fear work. We have thirty six different departments.
We have over twenty five entries between animals, crafts, quilts, flowers, chickens,
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guinea pigs, rabbits, almost anything you can think of, goat, sheeps, horses,
but that generates all you long. It takes all you
long to plan the Fear, and people have to prepare
ahead of time. It's not something they whip up in
two weeks. It's something they've been working on for a
long time.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And how long have you been doing this yourself? Is
this a lifelong career?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I have to say it probably is. I work thirty
years for Brooksby Farm and Peebety, which is a lodge
apple orchid, and then I've been general manager of the
Fear for eighteen years. So yeah, I've been in agriculture
all my life. I've been involved with growing and part
of agriculture. You know, it's a natural thing for me personally,
Me and my family, we've always been part of agriculture.
(36:56):
We've always been part of either the growing end or
this end. Working with all our friends and neighbors that
come to the fair and take part. I mean, it's
an exciting time of year for all of us, and
it's a very exciting time for me personally as I
get an opportunity to see all these people that come
to the fair, either as a customer or as a
patron or a guest, or is somebody that enters something
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every year. So it's really a community event.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
So we draw between I got a question.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Okay, it's a great event. Okay, has it it's normally
about ten days? Have you ever thought about running it longer?
Or does it? Does it lose you know, being as
special as it is if you ran it, let's say
for two weeks, as opposed to ten days or three weeks.
Explain the timing.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Yeah, so the biggie right now is running and they
run over three weeks. But for us, eleven days is enough.
I'll be honest with you. Exhausted at the end of
eleven days, Yeah, you know, and eleven days allows again
uppers over five hundred thousand people come through our gates
over that time frame. I'm not so sure if we
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dragged it out, it would just be the same five
hundred thousand people over more days or.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
A point of diminishing returns. It's almost like, you know,
Saint Patrick's Day, If if you had Saint Patrick's Day
ten days a year, it wouldn't be special on March
on March seventeenth.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Right, And I mean one of the things too, is
that's really primary to us to hear at the Fear
is that we make sure that if you show up
on the first day, the first hour, and you show
up on the last day, on the last hour, that
the Fear looks exactly the same, that it's clean, sanitary,
and all our displays look good. How flowered a pot
it flips three times during the course of the Fear.
(38:51):
To make sure that all our plants are healthy and
look fantastic on day one and on day eleven.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Oh that sounds great.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Same thing. You know, we just spend it. We're really
taking to pride that we want to make sure that
you don't have to come on the first day to
see the best display, because if you come on the
last day, I'm going to make sure that display is perfect.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
You sound like somebody. You sound like somebody who throws
your heart and soul into it. I want to say
a perfectionist, but some people look at that word, but
you know it's you're always going to put on a
good show. Jim O'Brien, thank you so much for the
hard work. And on behalf of everybody who's going to
be up there this year. They're looking forward to it.
I wish you all the best with some great weather,
(39:32):
that's for sure. Thanks Jim, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
The weather everything, okay, thank you.
Speaker 7 (39:38):
All right, we get back when we talk about a
dispute at Boston City Hall overflying is IF Israeli flag
to commemorate the horrific massacre by Hamas on October seventh.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Believe it or not, that is a controversy at Boston
City Hall. We will explain to you why. We'll talk
with City Councilor Ed Flynn and also my great friend
Jeff Robbins. And this is a This is a very
interesting story if you're interested in the issue of Israel
and American support for that set upon country. Back after
(40:15):
this on Nightside,
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