October 30, 2024 • 40 mins
Would you ever buy a house that is rumored to be “haunted”? What if someone died in the house that you are looking to buy? Does the seller have to disclose that information? Metro Boston and Southern NH Realtor Rachel Person joined us to talk about buying real life “haunted” houses!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's night's time with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling easy Bond video.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
But we've talked a lot about politics for the last
few nights. We may get back to politics later on,
but tomorrow is Halloween, and of course with Halloween we
talk about some interesting spooky issues and some phenomenon and
I'm delighted to welcome to the program Rachel Person. She
is a realtor who deals often with antique homes, and
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the question of what has happened in a home that's
been around a long time sometimes has an influence on
whether or not that home becomes more or less saleable.
By that, I mean that there are some homes where
if there's some legend of it being haunted, or if
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indeed there has been some horrific event in the past
and people find out about it, Uh, it can make
that home less marketable. Rachel, I'm trying to explain it
as best I can. I just want to set it
up that way. Tell us about your real estate experience,
as I understand that you deal a lot with older homes,
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and I'm sure that is part of the function of
that is where you actually conduct your business. You are
a realtor based in Newburyport, but you also sell homes
in Massachusetts and also in New Hampshire. Tell us a
little bit about who you who you who you deal with,
(01:42):
Who are the who are the folks that you're out
that that are looking for homes from through your office.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. So my mother, Yeah,
my mother and I are a mother daughter team. And
as you said, we're located in newberry Port. And my
mom has been in real estate for I don't know,
over thirty years, and her niche has always been historic properties.
I grew up in historic or antique properties with my
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parents redoing many of them over the years, and she
kind of just found her way into that niche. And
then when I joined her about oh it's a little
over four years ago, so I'm going into my fifth
year here, I kind of fell into that as well.
We often sell historic luxury properties because I mean, you know,
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Newburyport has a pretty dense concentration of historic and or
antique properties. We did sell the John Noy's House that
was built in sixteen forty six.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I think that's the oldest one we sold so far.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
First period house yet. We sold one just this September
in Newburyport that was built in sixteen eighty. So, yeah,
it's something that it's you know, it's just another day
at the office. I'm so used to it. But I
love them. I love the history behind them.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Now there are homes that have stories associated with them, Okay,
And I don't know if you believe in haunted homes
or not. Yeah, I'm just curious in your experience. And
we're going to get into the legalities that realtors what
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they have to and do not have to, you know,
tell people about, But what is your experience? Are there
homes that that when you get them, you know that
there's a sort of a legend or a history that
that might make that home a home that some people
would would not be anxious to buy.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Well, I mean so many of the houses that we sell,
like you know, if someone was to ask us to
someone died in the house, it's like, yeah, sure they
probably did. It was built in seventeen fifty. So, but
you know, in terms of like historically significant homes, we
don't see them that often. Obviously, the James Noys Houses
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was is historically significant because he was involved in Salem
witch trials and was a first settler in Newbury, So
you know that's that's significant. But not any houses around
here that I can think of off the top of
my head that are known to be haunted. Now, have
I lived in the house I considers to maybe be haunted, Yes,
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my parents experience. Yeah yeah, yeah, No, not real estate.
It's just my own own in my own personal life
because I've lived in so many old houses and just
weird stuff happens. Weird, weird stuff happens that you can't explain.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
So yeah, we're talking there about what I think some
would describe as the paranormal correct, Yes, yeah, yeah, okay,
So yeah, so let's first of all deal with the
question of what wheeltors are obligated to disclose and what
they're not obligated to disclose. And I know that there
are some rules that you have to comply by, comply with,
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so give us, give us the overview there of what
you are obligated to tell and what you are not
obligated to tell. Sure.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So, I'm licensed in both Massachusetts and Newmpshire, as you mentioned,
and they have vastly different rules about these things. Massachusetts
is what's called a buyer beware state, so it is
up to the buyer to ask the pertinent questions. The
only thing that I have to disclose or my sellar
needs to disclose is the presence of lead paint or
if the house is built prior to nineteen seventy eight.
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If you know you have to sell out a lead
paint disclosure, You have to talk about whether or not
there is a septic system on the property, and you
have to get a title five done, and then you're
not allowed to lie if asked the direct question. So
if someone says to you sterial defect about something, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, so, but let's assume let's focus on the haunt.
Let's assume someone says to you, gee, this is an
old house. I love it for a lot of reasons,
but I sometimes get creeped out. Is there any suggestion
or do you have any knowledge that this house is haunted?
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You're telling I think you told me earlier that in
that your your obligation might differ from state to state. Now,
you're licensed in two states, New Hampshire and Massachusetts.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Explained to us, Yeah, so in New Hampshire you do
have to disclose if there has been quote unquote paranormal activity.
I don't know what to finition of that is specifically
in Massachusetts, Apparently it's that some kind of psychological effect
has happened to whoever was living there. They had some
kind of psychological impact. I don't know if that's the
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same in Hampshire, but it's apparently it's if the seller
tells you, yes, we've seen para normal activity, you do
have to disclose that to a buyer and hanswer. In Massachusetts,
it's not even that's not even in my purview. I
don't answer that question, you know, if someone died. On
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the other hand, if someone asked me if someone died there,
then I and I do know for a fact I
need to answer that question. But a buyer has to
ask me specifically.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Okay, so does if the buyer says to you, gee,
I think that I read that someone might have been
killed here. Does the difference between someone dying of natural
causes and someone dying Yeah, in a difference at a circumstances?
Does that change the question?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
In Massachusetts it doesn't. It's still if it's a either
a haunted property, a death or a stigmatized property, which
means a significant event occurred there that could possibly devalue
the property. You don't have to disclose any of that.
It's up to the buyer to do the buyer's own
due diligence. Now, in the state of New Hampshire, on
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the other hand, if there was a potentially like a
murder or something that made the news that everyone's.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Aware of.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
That and then stay an out of sea fire came like, wow,
this is a beautiful farmhouse. Little do they know there
was you know, like a triple homicide there or something,
then you would need to disclose that. But in the
state of Massachusetts you.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Do not need to, Okay, So it differs from state
to state, and there's an affirmative obligation, more of an
affirmative obligation on you in New Hampshire than in Massachusetts.
In your experiences are real to how long often do
either or one of these questions you actually arise? Not often?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
I assume right, no, not often, And I think that
most people who because there's the people that buy old
houses love old houses. You know, if you like newer
construction properties, they're not going to go and buy a
house from eighteen twenty five. It's just not something you're
going to want to do. So in order to buy
an older house. You're going to have to love older houses.
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And a lot of the people that go to buy
these properties they know what they're getting Excuse me, they
know what they're getting into. Haven't had buyers ask me
as a buyer's agent before, like do you think anyone
died here?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Like?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah, every once in a while, but it was never
really like a serious question.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Gotcha? Okay, Well, my guest is Rachael Person. Tomorrow's Halloween,
and we thought it might be an interesting idea to
talk about haunted homes or haunted houses, So if you
would like to join the conversation, if you've had an
experience with a haunted house. I had a friend of
mine who I mentioned, I think last night on the show,
who was convinced that the house that he grew up
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in he saw a paranormal set of circumstances are he
thought a human like figure who disappeared? Which could you
could you know? I think you know spook someone out?
Feel free to call six one seven two thirty six
one seven, nine, three, ten thirty. Have you ever lived
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in a home where you had been told hey, you
may you may not be alone here, your family may
not be alone here. Love to compare some notes here
with Rachel Person on night Side. This is just kind
of lightening up a little bit. We've had a lot
of serious conversations this week, and we'll get back to
some politics in the in the final hour tonight, but
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I'd like to just lighten it up a little bit.
If you've ever looked at a home and was told, hey,
here's something really bad happened, feel free to join the
conversation as well. We'll be back with Rachel Person some
phone calls, I hope right after this.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ the News Radio.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
My guess is Rachel Person. She's a realtor based in Newburyport,
but sells homes and in both Northern Massachusetts, I assume
pretty much anywhere in Massachusetts and also New Hampshire. Licensed
in both states. Standards are a little bit different sounds
to me, Like in New Hampshire they acknowledge that, yeah,
there can be paranormal activity in a home, and if
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you are asked about that again, the burden is upon
the buyer to ask you the question. As I understand that,
is that correct.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Rachel, Yeah, with almost everything when you buy a home
in Massachusetts, not just paranormal activity like anything, it's the
buyer's obligation or the buyer's agents to do their due diligence,
whether that be to check with city Hall to make
sure that there's no open permits and that the permits
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have been closed to you know, if there's an easement,
or to review the documents. It's all on you as
the buyer and your buyer's agent. So it's important that
you have someone that knows what they're doing because if
you don't review those things and you miss something, then
you're kind of up up a stream with down a paddle,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yep, No, I totally get what you mean. But it's
interesting because obviously there's a lot of information that will
be kept at somewhere in the official files, you know,
of something dealing with real estate transactions, obviously, registry of deeds,
et cetera. But the real question that I think people
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might be interested and again, is this quote unquote paranormal
activity and there's no there's there's no play. You're never
going to find at a registry of deeds. Oh yeah,
there was peril normal activity in this home back in
the nineteen forties. So those of you who have ever
dealt with that, feel free to give us a call.
In the meantime, let us go north of the border
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to Daryl in New Brunswick up in Canada and find
out what he would like to contribute to the conversation. Daryl,
welcome to nights.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I go right ahead, hey man, and welcome hello to
your guests.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I forgot her name, Rachel, Rachel Chel.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Hello. I actually have an old house, an old brick house,
basement six foot boulder foundation, two ten foot floors, old brick.
He was built in eighteen eighty nine and then a
third floor. I was told at one time this property
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was used as a church and a hospital, and that
there could be certain burials in the basement.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Oh boy, and so.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
It's again. All you do is it's all rumors, and
if need be, I can get it checked out with
the one of those ground penetrating things right.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Ironically, you know, I let me ask you this, when
you bought this this property, Daryl, we were you appraised
of this? Were you told that or have you learned
about it subsequently?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I really didn't care. The price was so good, but
at the same time.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Okay, that's fine. So you bought the you bought the house,
and so now what you're trying to figure out is
how can you find out which of these rumors are
true in which are not true? Correct?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Correct your own question that that you're not going to
dig up your basement. I don't think I would, hope not.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Its floor a dirt floor.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well, I don't know if you Okay, I don't know
how if you want if you think that they're they
were the remains of individuals buried there, are you looking
at something you want to know?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, well this is a question. Would you actually have
to pass this on to information?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
But we were going with the haunted aspect as well.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, well, Darrel, let me try. Let me first of
all say this, Rachel is not licensed as a realtor
in New Brunswick, Canada. Knowing Canada as I know it,
I suspect that deal laws are probably a little more
stringent than ours. But that's just a guess.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh, I'm not looking I'm not looking to sell though.
It's just a question if you would have to let
people know if you knew.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I don't know that Rachel can answer that question. Canada.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah, we're talking in your area, I guess.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Oh yeah, So if there were potential human remains on
the property, that's a great question. I don't don't know
the answer to that, because you know, I mean, under
what I know about the laws, I don't. I don't
think so. But it could be considered some kind of
environmental issue. That's a that's an issue.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
If that came up.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
My first call would be to a real estate attorney
to ask them, because I've never had that question.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
They as before, well, again, if it was in Massachusetts.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
And you would say no, probably yeah, well no, if you.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Knew there were human remains buried under a dirt cellar floor.
It seems to me that if someone asked you, had
anyone died in this property?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to tell.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Them that the circumstances that the death would be. I
think every one of these situations there would be a
little different, is what I'm trying to get at. And
I would suspect that if you went to you must
have in Canada. I assume some uh, some real estate
lawyers or registries of deeds where you could go and
just inquire about that.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
True, Yeah, true, I'm just going to talk to the
local people I know in the RCMP, and then they
can do a GP ground pending greater right.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Again, depending upon how long someone had been buried and
what condition they were buried in, it's conceivable that if
they were buried there two hundred years ago, everything you know,
you know, could could have turned to dust Thereyl. Well,
you know, I don't know enough about the r MCP
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radar capacities, but yeah, that's that's a place that you
should start. Absolutely. Well.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well, I'm not calling about the advice party. We're talking
about Halloween and the haunted part. Yeah, and so I
was just calling in to help up.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Well, thank thank you very much. I appreciate it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Did you know when you bought you when you you
told me that you didn't care when you bought the house. Uh,
and you subsequently learned that there might be bodies buried
and you have a dirt base.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well, no, we're talking about possible being a hospital at
one time, possibly people that were still born.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Oh okay, yeah, okay, yeah, gotcha, gotcha. Okay, and wait,
thanks after I bought it.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah, but I only paid twenty thousand dollars for the house,
so it's pretty much.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You still would you still would have bought it? Okay,
Thanks Dale, appreciate the call, interesting questions as always, Thank
you very much, Darryl. We got to take a quick break. Rachel.
You stay right there. We got Julie in Arlington, Mike
and Rossendale, John and Quincy. If you'd like to join
and ask a question or if you've had an experience
with either a real estate transaction or a haunted house
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six one seven, two thirty six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty back after this.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
My guest is Rachel Person. She's a real realtor. What's
the difference between a realtor and a real estate agent?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Rachel being a member of the National Association of Realtors,
and we have a specific code ethics that we have
to follow.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Gotcha. Okay? I know that's kind of knew the answer
to that question, but I wanted to emphasize your status.
And we're talking about haunted home. So let's keep rolling
here and see what people have to contribute to the conversation.
We're going to go next to Julie and Arlington. Julie,
welcome to night side. You're on with Rachel Person. Go
right ahead, Julie.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Hi, Dan, nice talking with you. It's been a.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
While, Yes it has, Julie.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Where have you hi?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Rachel? Hello? I have two really fascinating stories on this topic.
One was in the state of Massachusetts and one is
outside of the state of mass The one outside of
the state of mass I have a friend who is
so sensitive to the paranormal that if she travels in
Europe or anywhere, she cannot stay in one of these
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older castles. She can't sleep all night. She's just one
of these magnets where anything floating around is going to
come to her keep her up all night. It's it's
it's fascinating because I never feel anything right, so I
would never understand it. But she's legit anyhow.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
She do you, Julie, do you think she's more sensitive
to it or do you think she is just I
don't know. I hate to use the phrase of faking it.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Yeah, no, not faking it. If anything, she might be
vulnerable to it, and so she's more easily.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Entered.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
You know again, this is will sounds so sci fi. Anyhow,
she bought a condo in a downtown area of an
upscale urban area, and I visited her and I slept
in her front room on the couch, and she was
in her bedroom and I had no problems. And she
confided to me that she says, I have difficulty sleeping
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in that bedroom and I never felt the thing. So
she meets up with the previous owner, who happened to
be a Catholic priest at a benefit, and she said, father,
you know such and such happened and I feel this,
and I said, and she said, his eyes opened with terror,
and he says, God be with you, know, God be
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with you, my child, and he walked away. So and
he's lived in this something's up. And so then she
tells me she says she felt like this angry young
African American man jump on her in the middle of
the night and she's like, get off of me, and
he was angry. So she reaches out to the neighbor
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across the hall and she says, with someone murdered here
or someone who killed her, I feel this angry. And
they said, oh, we didn't want to tell you, but yes,
there was a murder here and it was this young
African American. So she's so frightened.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
At this point, she a young African American, was the victim.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
The victim, right, and so so she sells the home
and she she happened to be driving down the alley
one hot summer night and the people that bought it
were sleeping out on their deck.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I don't know if it was because it was or.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Because they couldn't sleep in the bedroom. So so that
was just one really interest.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
So she's convinced that the person who had been killed
it was it sounds it was this a house or
a condo.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
It was a condo murder instance in that bedroom.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
In that and and that the spirit of the victim,
the young African American male, yes, was there and somehow.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Maybe I don't know the story. As soon as she
heard you know, yes there actually was a murder, but
we didn't want to tell you that, you know, because
you're the new Nate residence.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
What did she did she sell the house? Did she say?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
The priest before her didn't Anita did she? So so
that was that, and I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
The laws were there. This was not in Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
No, that was not in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
So then my second story is in my building, I
lived in the back bay and an old brownstone one
hundred plus years old, and I lived on an upper floor.
And I had a very good friend that lived in
the in the lowest level floor. And she was gorgeous,
gorgeous girl, very athletic, beautiful girl. And she said when
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she moved in, she said she had one of those
floor to ceiling mirrors, and she had it in a
closet and she says, you know, she says, I thought
I saw a flash go by, you know, like just
a flash, and she thought, oh, she blew it off.
And then she looks in this closet and all of
a sudden, this mirror steamed up. There's no steam, there's
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no nothing going on. So she's so tough and so confident.
She stuck out her hand and said, well, spirit, it
looks like we're going to be neighbors. And I hope
we get along just fine living together. And she was
never affected by it. So fast forward several years later,
a good friend of mine moves in there and she
starts telling me that she feels off, like something's wrong,
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something's wrong. She was getting really unwell and she didn't
know why. She couldn't pinpoint it and you know some
of my background with my travels to China and meeting
a grandmaster of Chigong, and at the time I was
working with him, and he happened to be there and
he said, have her come up and I'll scan her
and see what I see. And he's scanning her, and
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I'll never forget this because he was not a man
who was easily frightened. He's scanning her body from head
to toe with his hands, and all of a sudden,
he just froze and his eyes were like saucers. He
looked frightened. And he says he and he starts holding
and his hands starts shaking, and he says, open up
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your front door, you know, of my condo. So I
opened up my front door. He says, now go downstairs
and open up the front door. And he went down
the steps of stairs and I opened up the front door,
and he walked down the street and expelled that spirit.
And he said, your friend knows you big time. I've
only done that once before in my life and exorcism.
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So you know, if I didn't see these things with
my own eyes, I would never believe it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And she was fine ever since.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
So those are my two stories, Rachel, I think.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Those those stories are worth the price of admission. Those
are those stories?
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Sure, so those are right stories. So shake hands.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I happened to know this fall. She's a very intelligent woman,
and she's not somebody who is naive in any way,
shape or form. But if she would tell those stories
in that way, believe me, they are they are what
she witnessed. Trust me on that.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Halloween's story anyway.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, so so well, thank you, Dian.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Nice talking with you and good.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
To talk with you. Julie.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Okay, all right, bye bye.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
All right, yeah, okay, yeah, this that I think there's
stuff out there. Okay, you know I'm I'm not a skeptic.
I'm not a cynic. I can't prove it, but I
certainly when you hear stories like that, you think to yourself,
there's more than than maybe what we know. Let's go
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to John and Quincy. See what John has to say. Hey, John,
walking with Rachel. Person who's a real to hear in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Welcome, Thanks, always a pleasure to Dean. I hope to well.
I like Tamali. You might want to swing down a cake.
I'll free golf lisson.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
But I'm hopeless. I'm hopeless.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You're a hell of a hockey player, not a bad
baseball player. Speaking of which, the eighties are of four
or five nothing. I'm was hoping they wouldn't so they'd
be playing on All Saints Dale Soulsday Friday. But there's
still we'll.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
See about that. I'm really not worried about that, because
that's kind of my competition today. John, what's your question
or comment or story for the recial.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Person houses go? You can do like research and all
that other stuff. He is, but like the gentlemen said,
they were bodies, very possibly still borns. But it's in
Canada he's talking about. Was he talking about New Brunswick
and Nova Schools?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, he's up in New Brunswick, So I don't know
what the rules of the road up are in New Hampshire,
but I'm sure that the same technical capabilities that we
have here my fourth Canada is not a third world country.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Go ahead, oh thank god, and he can hand bend
it and I'll be more than happy to ship the
people up in terminally. But that being said, he paid
twenty grand. If I can look exchange rate on Canadian American,
will he take twenty grand back Canadian. But I believe
in that stuff too, like they have those turn chairs.
And I'm not a skeptical psychic, but you see these
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shows on the History Channel and the guys got like
night visions and they see these ghosts and so forth
and so on, So who knows, there could be something there.
But when he said people being buried, my first thought was,
remember when the Titanic sank and a lot of those
people ended up up there and that's why we get
the Christmas tree from Nova Scotia and stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
But well, that was the Christmas tree from Nova Scotia.
I think they had they had some sort of disaster
up in Halifax, and I think we sent some aid
up and that's that's their way of faking us every year.
Would you let me ask you this, John, if if
you found a house that you liked and you lost
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the realtor, is this house you know, haunted or or
has anything bad happened here? And Rachel's the realtor Rachel
in Massachusetts. The rules of the road. If he said
is the house haunted whether you know or not? As
a real to we don't almost recognize that as reality.
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So you're not obligating to answer that. But if he
said to you, has there been a death to this
house and you knew, let us say that they have
been a murder five years ago or ten years ago,
you would be obligated, as I understand that on the
Lower Massachusetts to disclose right right, Well, you're.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
An attorney and she's a real estate agent. I can
appreciate that. Like somebody told me, you'd appreciate this Daniel
lawyer as well. And she said, if the pots thinks, you,
don't stir it. But on the other side of the corner,
guy that grew up with my dad, they both World
War two guys. One guy went to the bus and police.
My father went to the bus and fight it turned
down the troopers. Thank god, he's good. They're in a
hot mess. But that being said, he said, you never
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voluntary information, and no, But what's.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
The ploy of making John?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
My point is you're always better off being buying a
bad house and a great neighbor good than a good
house and a bad you know what I'm saying the
opposite side.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. But the point I think you
missed the point of what I was trying to make.
The point I'm trying to make not only to you
but to the audience, is that if if you were
buying this house from Rachel in Massachusetts and you missed her,
was there has this house and she knew about it?
Has a murder occurred in this house and she knew
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about it? She would be obligated to tell you.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Correct, Rachel, I'm not necessary. I don't know if I
have to disclose that it was a murderer, I have
to disclose that someone died in the home.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, so so, but let's assume that whatever. So, John,
my question to you, John, John, as there as the
buyer here and you liked the house, would that dissuade
you from buying the house?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah? Here's my sore. Sorry, So when you when you
do get a purchase and sale agreement in today's market,
you know ninety some of the people are pre approved.
There is a certain laws in Massachusetts, Canada. I'm not
sure you know you know you have you can we
send that No.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
We would you?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
No?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
No, do me a favorite John, just would be I would.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Buy I would buy it because I would, so.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
You would not be you would not be be scared
off from purchasing the only.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Way I would back out of it. The only way
I would back out of it is like maybe years later,
like you find this out, like it could have been
a hospital, still bonds of this and that, but like
do they have a full basement there or is it
like a call space or what's the deal? Is it
a foundation?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I don't know about the house in New Brunswick. You're
going back to the house in New Friendswick. I have
simply described it as a drift floor. And he's not
on the line with us. My my interest is hearing
you say that, yeah, you would buy the house if
you like the house. Rachel, from your experience as a realtor, Uh,
have people asked you this question before and you had
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to answer the question?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I personally haven't, But I asked my mom and she
said that she has had asked people asked before, and
she said, well, you know, it's in the state sale
and the father did die here of natural causes, and
the son did also die here of natural causes. And
the buyer said, thank you very much, we're all set
and turned around and walked away.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
So you're saying that John would be the exception of
the most of the people. Yeah, I don't know. Interesting,
it's most people are never going to first of all,
asked the question, most houses do not have any sort
of a violent death occur? Obviously in older houses, as
Rachel has said, now the chances, the probability are in
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a house that's a couple of hundred years old that
back in the in the old days, people weren't rushed
to the hospital. They died in their bed, right.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Well, that's why they called it the powa like a
funeral pollow, because they have to wake in the in
the living room.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I learned something there. Okay, now I had not been y.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Yeah, they put people in the living room to see
if they woke up. And oftentimes if you go into
older houses, you'll see that there's like an indent in
the staircase that a lot of people now they'll put
like vases or whatever. And that's called a coffin corner.
So that when they would go upstairs to the second
floor to go retrieve a body, to say, you get
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a coffin down the stairs.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Wow, it's interesting when you use the word coffin corner.
In football, when a kicker is able to put the ball,
a puncher is able to put the ball out like
inside the five yard line. The announcers used to refer
to it as the coffin corner. We're learning a lot here,
Hey John, I hate to do this to your buddy,
but we're run out of town. Great call, Thank you,
tell you this.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I'll have you. I'll have you hit in a wedge
within five feet of that coffin corner and you won't
have to worry about second a putt because you will
and you owe me a bit, all.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Right, John, I'll take that up on it, Thanks man,
doctor John, Thank you. Uh, we've got to take a
little break. I got worn and fall River calling up
and we'll be back on night side. I could probably
fit another call or too in if you want to
be a vent some six months, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty.
My guess, Rachel person, we're talking about again. This is
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Halloween Eve, the night before Halloween, and we're talking about
haunted homes. And if you were to buy a home
or be interested in a home that you liked, and
all of a sudden you found out that someone had
died unexpectedly, there with that dissuade you from following through
uh on the on the purchase, I think where you
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can see we have different reactions from different people. Will
be right back on Nightside.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Back to the phones, we go for Rachel Person, realtor
from Newburyport who was licensed to sell homes, particularly antique homes,
and uh, well that's part of her specialty here in
Massachusetts and New Hampshire. War and next on Nightside, go
on hits her.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Hey Rachel, Hey, Dan, Hey, We're gonna like this story.
I I grew up in Marlborough, in Marlboro, mass in
a mansion that was haunted.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
The house was.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Built in eighteen ninety six, all right, It had a
made quarters and it had all the actually had a
belts in it too, all right. And my father got
the got the mansion and two and a half aches
of land back in nineteen seventy five for eighty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Wow. How many square feet in the mansion did?
Speaker 6 (35:34):
I can't venture? I guess I counted the rooms in it.
It was like twenty six rooms.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
But anyways, but the story goes, you know, is like
the people that lived before us, before we moved in,
there were a group of devil worshipers. So every door,
every door led to the outside had an upside down
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red cross over it. And yeah, we've had freaky things
happen in it, like we had we have like back
stairways to the third floor where you would literally hear
someone going up and down the stairs and chuck the
stairs and no one would be on there.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Did this freak you out as a kid before?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (36:24):
God, yeah, oh yeah, it freaked us out as a kid.
You know, we actually would have bats in the house.
You know, we would get a bat lying in a
in the second floor hallway and you know, going back
and forth and all stuff like that. And you know,
one day, my sister was having her friends over for
us over and three point thirty in the morning, we
(36:47):
hear a horrible scream from come down, come from the downstairs,
and one of the bats is on her girlfriend's heads.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I can understand why you would hear us.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
Of course, that course to the sibling. I'm laughing, right,
I'm laughing, And you know, and you know her, her
sister's friend never came back over the house.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I didn't understand that. I I yeah, yeah, but how
long did you live there? When did you leave there?
I mean how?
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Oh god, well we had the like I lived there
through my my teenage years and yeah we I probably
lived in there for like fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
And you sleep well at night, Warren? Did you sleep
well at night?
Speaker 5 (37:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (37:34):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
No, you would have there would be cold spots, there
would be yeah, stuff like that, and there would be
this and that, and you'd wait, you know, you.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Know, did your dad ever explain to let me ask
you why did your dad buy? I mean, it sounds
like it was a good investment, but.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Yeah, well it would yeah, it would sound like great,
great investment, great piece of land. Just that it's always
on the dead end street.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Don't say dead end street here that that would scare
me too.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
No, no, but we were on the dead end street
where the last house we were actually the last house.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
On the bus.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Do you have a lot of friends come over, Warren?
Speaker 5 (38:15):
And no?
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Actually no, Actually, you know if you were playing in
our yard, yeah, all the new neighborhood kIPS came over
and we would play We would actually play baseball in
the in the backyard, you know, we would actually, Warren.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
We're flat out of time. But thank you, thank you
for that story.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
Okay, well, I hope I'm glad that you enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
It, so we sure did. Thanks War, I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
All right to the calls in the line. Unfortunately we've
run out of time, Rachel. If folks are looking to
purchase an empty comb threw you up in northern Massachusetts,
New Hampshire, how can they get in touch with you?
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah, sure, well they If you have TikTok, you can
follow me on TikTok at tol person Real Tour, and
you can also go to our website. It's my mother
and I. It's person and person g r P dot com.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
That wonderful all.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
One word person in person, one word g r u
P group the word group dot com. Okay, great, Rachel,
thank you very much. You're a good sport and I
learned a lot. Thank you so much for joining us tonight.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Happy Halloween, Yes, happy Halloween to you.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I don't know how well I'll sleep tonight. Thanks very much, Rachel.
All Right, we get back. I'm going to go back
to politics and open up the phone lines on the
latest UH allegations back and forth between the Trump campaign,
the Harris campaign, and now it involves former president by
(39:52):
not former president but current President Biden, and allegations of
the phrase garbage. I think I think we've hit a
low point American politics. Be back on Nightside right after
this
It's night's time with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling easy Bond video.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
But we've talked a lot about politics for the last
few nights. We may get back to politics later on,
but tomorrow is Halloween, and of course with Halloween we
talk about some interesting spooky issues and some phenomenon and
I'm delighted to welcome to the program Rachel Person. She
is a realtor who deals often with antique homes, and
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the question of what has happened in a home that's
been around a long time sometimes has an influence on
whether or not that home becomes more or less saleable.
By that, I mean that there are some homes where
if there's some legend of it being haunted, or if
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indeed there has been some horrific event in the past
and people find out about it, Uh, it can make
that home less marketable. Rachel, I'm trying to explain it
as best I can. I just want to set it
up that way. Tell us about your real estate experience,
as I understand that you deal a lot with older homes,
(01:20):
and I'm sure that is part of the function of
that is where you actually conduct your business. You are
a realtor based in Newburyport, but you also sell homes
in Massachusetts and also in New Hampshire. Tell us a
little bit about who you who you who you deal with,
(01:42):
Who are the who are the folks that you're out
that that are looking for homes from through your office.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. So my mother, Yeah,
my mother and I are a mother daughter team. And
as you said, we're located in newberry Port. And my
mom has been in real estate for I don't know,
over thirty years, and her niche has always been historic properties.
I grew up in historic or antique properties with my
(02:11):
parents redoing many of them over the years, and she
kind of just found her way into that niche. And
then when I joined her about oh it's a little
over four years ago, so I'm going into my fifth
year here, I kind of fell into that as well.
We often sell historic luxury properties because I mean, you know,
(02:33):
Newburyport has a pretty dense concentration of historic and or
antique properties. We did sell the John Noy's House that
was built in sixteen forty six.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I think that's the oldest one we sold so far.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
First period house yet. We sold one just this September
in Newburyport that was built in sixteen eighty. So, yeah,
it's something that it's you know, it's just another day
at the office. I'm so used to it. But I
love them. I love the history behind them.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Now there are homes that have stories associated with them, Okay,
And I don't know if you believe in haunted homes
or not. Yeah, I'm just curious in your experience. And
we're going to get into the legalities that realtors what
(03:32):
they have to and do not have to, you know,
tell people about, But what is your experience? Are there
homes that that when you get them, you know that
there's a sort of a legend or a history that
that might make that home a home that some people
would would not be anxious to buy.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Well, I mean so many of the houses that we sell,
like you know, if someone was to ask us to
someone died in the house, it's like, yeah, sure they
probably did. It was built in seventeen fifty. So, but
you know, in terms of like historically significant homes, we
don't see them that often. Obviously, the James Noys Houses
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was is historically significant because he was involved in Salem
witch trials and was a first settler in Newbury, So
you know that's that's significant. But not any houses around
here that I can think of off the top of
my head that are known to be haunted. Now, have
I lived in the house I considers to maybe be haunted, Yes,
(04:38):
my parents experience. Yeah yeah, yeah, No, not real estate.
It's just my own own in my own personal life
because I've lived in so many old houses and just
weird stuff happens. Weird, weird stuff happens that you can't explain.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
So yeah, we're talking there about what I think some
would describe as the paranormal correct, Yes, yeah, yeah, okay,
So yeah, so let's first of all deal with the
question of what wheeltors are obligated to disclose and what
they're not obligated to disclose. And I know that there
are some rules that you have to comply by, comply with,
(05:22):
so give us, give us the overview there of what
you are obligated to tell and what you are not
obligated to tell. Sure.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So, I'm licensed in both Massachusetts and Newmpshire, as you mentioned,
and they have vastly different rules about these things. Massachusetts
is what's called a buyer beware state, so it is
up to the buyer to ask the pertinent questions. The
only thing that I have to disclose or my sellar
needs to disclose is the presence of lead paint or
if the house is built prior to nineteen seventy eight.
(05:56):
If you know you have to sell out a lead
paint disclosure, You have to talk about whether or not
there is a septic system on the property, and you
have to get a title five done, and then you're
not allowed to lie if asked the direct question. So
if someone says to you sterial defect about something, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, so, but let's assume let's focus on the haunt.
Let's assume someone says to you, gee, this is an
old house. I love it for a lot of reasons,
but I sometimes get creeped out. Is there any suggestion
or do you have any knowledge that this house is haunted?
(06:41):
You're telling I think you told me earlier that in
that your your obligation might differ from state to state. Now,
you're licensed in two states, New Hampshire and Massachusetts.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Explained to us, Yeah, so in New Hampshire you do
have to disclose if there has been quote unquote paranormal activity.
I don't know what to finition of that is specifically
in Massachusetts, Apparently it's that some kind of psychological effect
has happened to whoever was living there. They had some
kind of psychological impact. I don't know if that's the
(07:12):
same in Hampshire, but it's apparently it's if the seller
tells you, yes, we've seen para normal activity, you do
have to disclose that to a buyer and hanswer. In Massachusetts,
it's not even that's not even in my purview. I
don't answer that question, you know, if someone died. On
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the other hand, if someone asked me if someone died there,
then I and I do know for a fact I
need to answer that question. But a buyer has to
ask me specifically.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Okay, so does if the buyer says to you, gee,
I think that I read that someone might have been
killed here. Does the difference between someone dying of natural
causes and someone dying Yeah, in a difference at a circumstances?
Does that change the question?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
In Massachusetts it doesn't. It's still if it's a either
a haunted property, a death or a stigmatized property, which
means a significant event occurred there that could possibly devalue
the property. You don't have to disclose any of that.
It's up to the buyer to do the buyer's own
due diligence. Now, in the state of New Hampshire, on
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the other hand, if there was a potentially like a
murder or something that made the news that everyone's.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Aware of.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
That and then stay an out of sea fire came like, wow,
this is a beautiful farmhouse. Little do they know there
was you know, like a triple homicide there or something,
then you would need to disclose that. But in the
state of Massachusetts you.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Do not need to, Okay, So it differs from state
to state, and there's an affirmative obligation, more of an
affirmative obligation on you in New Hampshire than in Massachusetts.
In your experiences are real to how long often do
either or one of these questions you actually arise? Not often?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
I assume right, no, not often, And I think that
most people who because there's the people that buy old
houses love old houses. You know, if you like newer
construction properties, they're not going to go and buy a
house from eighteen twenty five. It's just not something you're
going to want to do. So in order to buy
an older house. You're going to have to love older houses.
(09:27):
And a lot of the people that go to buy
these properties they know what they're getting Excuse me, they
know what they're getting into. Haven't had buyers ask me
as a buyer's agent before, like do you think anyone
died here?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Like?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah, every once in a while, but it was never
really like a serious question.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Gotcha? Okay, Well, my guest is Rachael Person. Tomorrow's Halloween,
and we thought it might be an interesting idea to
talk about haunted homes or haunted houses, So if you
would like to join the conversation, if you've had an
experience with a haunted house. I had a friend of
mine who I mentioned, I think last night on the show,
who was convinced that the house that he grew up
(10:06):
in he saw a paranormal set of circumstances are he
thought a human like figure who disappeared? Which could you
could you know? I think you know spook someone out?
Feel free to call six one seven two thirty six
one seven, nine, three, ten thirty. Have you ever lived
(10:27):
in a home where you had been told hey, you
may you may not be alone here, your family may
not be alone here. Love to compare some notes here
with Rachel Person on night Side. This is just kind
of lightening up a little bit. We've had a lot
of serious conversations this week, and we'll get back to
some politics in the in the final hour tonight, but
(10:49):
I'd like to just lighten it up a little bit.
If you've ever looked at a home and was told, hey,
here's something really bad happened, feel free to join the
conversation as well. We'll be back with Rachel Person some
phone calls, I hope right after this.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ the News Radio.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
My guess is Rachel Person. She's a realtor based in Newburyport,
but sells homes and in both Northern Massachusetts, I assume
pretty much anywhere in Massachusetts and also New Hampshire. Licensed
in both states. Standards are a little bit different sounds
to me, Like in New Hampshire they acknowledge that, yeah,
there can be paranormal activity in a home, and if
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you are asked about that again, the burden is upon
the buyer to ask you the question. As I understand that,
is that correct.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Rachel, Yeah, with almost everything when you buy a home
in Massachusetts, not just paranormal activity like anything, it's the
buyer's obligation or the buyer's agents to do their due diligence,
whether that be to check with city Hall to make
sure that there's no open permits and that the permits
(12:05):
have been closed to you know, if there's an easement,
or to review the documents. It's all on you as
the buyer and your buyer's agent. So it's important that
you have someone that knows what they're doing because if
you don't review those things and you miss something, then
you're kind of up up a stream with down a paddle,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yep, No, I totally get what you mean. But it's
interesting because obviously there's a lot of information that will
be kept at somewhere in the official files, you know,
of something dealing with real estate transactions, obviously, registry of deeds,
et cetera. But the real question that I think people
(12:51):
might be interested and again, is this quote unquote paranormal
activity and there's no there's there's no play. You're never
going to find at a registry of deeds. Oh yeah,
there was peril normal activity in this home back in
the nineteen forties. So those of you who have ever
dealt with that, feel free to give us a call.
In the meantime, let us go north of the border
(13:12):
to Daryl in New Brunswick up in Canada and find
out what he would like to contribute to the conversation. Daryl,
welcome to nights.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I go right ahead, hey man, and welcome hello to
your guests.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I forgot her name, Rachel, Rachel Chel.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Hello. I actually have an old house, an old brick house,
basement six foot boulder foundation, two ten foot floors, old brick.
He was built in eighteen eighty nine and then a
third floor. I was told at one time this property
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was used as a church and a hospital, and that
there could be certain burials in the basement.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Oh boy, and so.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
It's again. All you do is it's all rumors, and
if need be, I can get it checked out with
the one of those ground penetrating things right.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Ironically, you know, I let me ask you this, when
you bought this this property, Daryl, we were you appraised
of this? Were you told that or have you learned
about it subsequently?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I really didn't care. The price was so good, but
at the same time.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Okay, that's fine. So you bought the you bought the house,
and so now what you're trying to figure out is
how can you find out which of these rumors are
true in which are not true? Correct?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Correct your own question that that you're not going to
dig up your basement. I don't think I would, hope not.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Its floor a dirt floor.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well, I don't know if you Okay, I don't know
how if you want if you think that they're they
were the remains of individuals buried there, are you looking
at something you want to know?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, well this is a question. Would you actually have
to pass this on to information?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
But we were going with the haunted aspect as well.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, well, Darrel, let me try. Let me first of
all say this, Rachel is not licensed as a realtor
in New Brunswick, Canada. Knowing Canada as I know it,
I suspect that deal laws are probably a little more
stringent than ours. But that's just a guess.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh, I'm not looking I'm not looking to sell though.
It's just a question if you would have to let
people know if you knew.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I don't know that Rachel can answer that question. Canada.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, yeah, we're talking in your area, I guess.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Oh yeah, So if there were potential human remains on
the property, that's a great question. I don't don't know
the answer to that, because you know, I mean, under
what I know about the laws, I don't. I don't
think so. But it could be considered some kind of
environmental issue. That's a that's an issue.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
If that came up.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
My first call would be to a real estate attorney
to ask them, because I've never had that question.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
They as before, well, again, if it was in Massachusetts.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
And you would say no, probably yeah, well no, if you.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Knew there were human remains buried under a dirt cellar floor.
It seems to me that if someone asked you, had
anyone died in this property?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to tell.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Them that the circumstances that the death would be. I
think every one of these situations there would be a
little different, is what I'm trying to get at. And
I would suspect that if you went to you must
have in Canada. I assume some uh, some real estate
lawyers or registries of deeds where you could go and
just inquire about that.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
True, Yeah, true, I'm just going to talk to the
local people I know in the RCMP, and then they
can do a GP ground pending greater right.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Again, depending upon how long someone had been buried and
what condition they were buried in, it's conceivable that if
they were buried there two hundred years ago, everything you know,
you know, could could have turned to dust Thereyl. Well,
you know, I don't know enough about the r MCP
(17:46):
radar capacities, but yeah, that's that's a place that you
should start. Absolutely. Well.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well, I'm not calling about the advice party. We're talking
about Halloween and the haunted part. Yeah, and so I
was just calling in to help up.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Well, thank thank you very much. I appreciate it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Did you know when you bought you when you you
told me that you didn't care when you bought the house. Uh,
and you subsequently learned that there might be bodies buried
and you have a dirt base.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well, no, we're talking about possible being a hospital at
one time, possibly people that were still born.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Oh okay, yeah, okay, yeah, gotcha, gotcha. Okay, and wait,
thanks after I bought it.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah, but I only paid twenty thousand dollars for the house,
so it's pretty much.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You still would you still would have bought it? Okay,
Thanks Dale, appreciate the call, interesting questions as always, Thank
you very much, Darryl. We got to take a quick break. Rachel.
You stay right there. We got Julie in Arlington, Mike
and Rossendale, John and Quincy. If you'd like to join
and ask a question or if you've had an experience
with either a real estate transaction or a haunted house
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six one seven, two thirty six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty back after this.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
My guest is Rachel Person. She's a real realtor. What's
the difference between a realtor and a real estate agent?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Rachel being a member of the National Association of Realtors,
and we have a specific code ethics that we have
to follow.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Gotcha. Okay? I know that's kind of knew the answer
to that question, but I wanted to emphasize your status.
And we're talking about haunted home. So let's keep rolling
here and see what people have to contribute to the conversation.
We're going to go next to Julie and Arlington. Julie,
welcome to night side. You're on with Rachel Person. Go
right ahead, Julie.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Hi, Dan, nice talking with you. It's been a.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
While, Yes it has, Julie.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Where have you hi?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Rachel? Hello? I have two really fascinating stories on this topic.
One was in the state of Massachusetts and one is
outside of the state of mass The one outside of
the state of mass I have a friend who is
so sensitive to the paranormal that if she travels in
Europe or anywhere, she cannot stay in one of these
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older castles. She can't sleep all night. She's just one
of these magnets where anything floating around is going to
come to her keep her up all night. It's it's
it's fascinating because I never feel anything right, so I
would never understand it. But she's legit anyhow.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
She do you, Julie, do you think she's more sensitive
to it or do you think she is just I
don't know. I hate to use the phrase of faking it.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Yeah, no, not faking it. If anything, she might be
vulnerable to it, and so she's more easily.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Entered.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
You know again, this is will sounds so sci fi. Anyhow,
she bought a condo in a downtown area of an
upscale urban area, and I visited her and I slept
in her front room on the couch, and she was
in her bedroom and I had no problems. And she
confided to me that she says, I have difficulty sleeping
(21:07):
in that bedroom and I never felt the thing. So
she meets up with the previous owner, who happened to
be a Catholic priest at a benefit, and she said, father,
you know such and such happened and I feel this,
and I said, and she said, his eyes opened with terror,
and he says, God be with you, know, God be
(21:28):
with you, my child, and he walked away. So and
he's lived in this something's up. And so then she
tells me she says she felt like this angry young
African American man jump on her in the middle of
the night and she's like, get off of me, and
he was angry. So she reaches out to the neighbor
(21:49):
across the hall and she says, with someone murdered here
or someone who killed her, I feel this angry. And
they said, oh, we didn't want to tell you, but yes,
there was a murder here and it was this young
African American. So she's so frightened.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
At this point, she a young African American, was the victim.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
The victim, right, and so so she sells the home
and she she happened to be driving down the alley
one hot summer night and the people that bought it
were sleeping out on their deck.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I don't know if it was because it was or.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Because they couldn't sleep in the bedroom. So so that
was just one really interest.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
So she's convinced that the person who had been killed
it was it sounds it was this a house or
a condo.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
It was a condo murder instance in that bedroom.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
In that and and that the spirit of the victim,
the young African American male, yes, was there and somehow.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Maybe I don't know the story. As soon as she
heard you know, yes there actually was a murder, but
we didn't want to tell you that, you know, because
you're the new Nate residence.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
What did she did she sell the house? Did she say?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
The priest before her didn't Anita did she? So so
that was that, and I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
The laws were there. This was not in Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
No, that was not in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
So then my second story is in my building, I
lived in the back bay and an old brownstone one
hundred plus years old, and I lived on an upper floor.
And I had a very good friend that lived in
the in the lowest level floor. And she was gorgeous,
gorgeous girl, very athletic, beautiful girl. And she said when
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she moved in, she said she had one of those
floor to ceiling mirrors, and she had it in a
closet and she says, you know, she says, I thought
I saw a flash go by, you know, like just
a flash, and she thought, oh, she blew it off.
And then she looks in this closet and all of
a sudden, this mirror steamed up. There's no steam, there's
(24:03):
no nothing going on. So she's so tough and so confident.
She stuck out her hand and said, well, spirit, it
looks like we're going to be neighbors. And I hope
we get along just fine living together. And she was
never affected by it. So fast forward several years later,
a good friend of mine moves in there and she
starts telling me that she feels off, like something's wrong,
(24:27):
something's wrong. She was getting really unwell and she didn't
know why. She couldn't pinpoint it and you know some
of my background with my travels to China and meeting
a grandmaster of Chigong, and at the time I was
working with him, and he happened to be there and
he said, have her come up and I'll scan her
and see what I see. And he's scanning her, and
(24:50):
I'll never forget this because he was not a man
who was easily frightened. He's scanning her body from head
to toe with his hands, and all of a sudden,
he just froze and his eyes were like saucers. He
looked frightened. And he says he and he starts holding
and his hands starts shaking, and he says, open up
(25:10):
your front door, you know, of my condo. So I
opened up my front door. He says, now go downstairs
and open up the front door. And he went down
the steps of stairs and I opened up the front door,
and he walked down the street and expelled that spirit.
And he said, your friend knows you big time. I've
only done that once before in my life and exorcism.
(25:32):
So you know, if I didn't see these things with
my own eyes, I would never believe it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And she was fine ever since.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
So those are my two stories, Rachel, I think.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Those those stories are worth the price of admission. Those
are those stories?
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Sure, so those are right stories. So shake hands.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I happened to know this fall. She's a very intelligent woman,
and she's not somebody who is naive in any way,
shape or form. But if she would tell those stories
in that way, believe me, they are they are what
she witnessed. Trust me on that.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Halloween's story anyway.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, so so well, thank you, Dian.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Nice talking with you and good.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
To talk with you. Julie.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Okay, all right, bye bye.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
All right, yeah, okay, yeah, this that I think there's
stuff out there. Okay, you know I'm I'm not a skeptic.
I'm not a cynic. I can't prove it, but I
certainly when you hear stories like that, you think to yourself,
there's more than than maybe what we know. Let's go
(26:43):
to John and Quincy. See what John has to say. Hey, John,
walking with Rachel. Person who's a real to hear in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Welcome, Thanks, always a pleasure to Dean. I hope to well.
I like Tamali. You might want to swing down a cake.
I'll free golf lisson.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
But I'm hopeless. I'm hopeless.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You're a hell of a hockey player, not a bad
baseball player. Speaking of which, the eighties are of four
or five nothing. I'm was hoping they wouldn't so they'd
be playing on All Saints Dale Soulsday Friday. But there's
still we'll.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
See about that. I'm really not worried about that, because
that's kind of my competition today. John, what's your question
or comment or story for the recial.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Person houses go? You can do like research and all
that other stuff. He is, but like the gentlemen said,
they were bodies, very possibly still borns. But it's in
Canada he's talking about. Was he talking about New Brunswick
and Nova Schools?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah, he's up in New Brunswick, So I don't know
what the rules of the road up are in New Hampshire,
but I'm sure that the same technical capabilities that we
have here my fourth Canada is not a third world country.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Go ahead, oh thank god, and he can hand bend
it and I'll be more than happy to ship the
people up in terminally. But that being said, he paid
twenty grand. If I can look exchange rate on Canadian American,
will he take twenty grand back Canadian. But I believe
in that stuff too, like they have those turn chairs.
And I'm not a skeptical psychic, but you see these
(28:10):
shows on the History Channel and the guys got like
night visions and they see these ghosts and so forth
and so on, So who knows, there could be something there.
But when he said people being buried, my first thought was,
remember when the Titanic sank and a lot of those
people ended up up there and that's why we get
the Christmas tree from Nova Scotia and stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
But well, that was the Christmas tree from Nova Scotia.
I think they had they had some sort of disaster
up in Halifax, and I think we sent some aid
up and that's that's their way of faking us every year.
Would you let me ask you this, John, if if
you found a house that you liked and you lost
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the realtor, is this house you know, haunted or or
has anything bad happened here? And Rachel's the realtor Rachel
in Massachusetts. The rules of the road. If he said
is the house haunted whether you know or not? As
a real to we don't almost recognize that as reality.
(29:12):
So you're not obligating to answer that. But if he
said to you, has there been a death to this
house and you knew, let us say that they have
been a murder five years ago or ten years ago,
you would be obligated, as I understand that on the
Lower Massachusetts to disclose right right, Well, you're.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
An attorney and she's a real estate agent. I can
appreciate that. Like somebody told me, you'd appreciate this Daniel
lawyer as well. And she said, if the pots thinks, you,
don't stir it. But on the other side of the corner,
guy that grew up with my dad, they both World
War two guys. One guy went to the bus and police.
My father went to the bus and fight it turned
down the troopers. Thank god, he's good. They're in a
hot mess. But that being said, he said, you never
(29:51):
voluntary information, and no, But what's.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
The ploy of making John?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
My point is you're always better off being buying a
bad house and a great neighbor good than a good
house and a bad you know what I'm saying the
opposite side.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. But the point I think you
missed the point of what I was trying to make.
The point I'm trying to make not only to you
but to the audience, is that if if you were
buying this house from Rachel in Massachusetts and you missed her,
was there has this house and she knew about it?
Has a murder occurred in this house and she knew
(30:26):
about it? She would be obligated to tell you.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Correct, Rachel, I'm not necessary. I don't know if I
have to disclose that it was a murderer, I have
to disclose that someone died in the home.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, so so, but let's assume that whatever. So, John,
my question to you, John, John, as there as the
buyer here and you liked the house, would that dissuade
you from buying the house?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah? Here's my sore. Sorry, So when you when you
do get a purchase and sale agreement in today's market,
you know ninety some of the people are pre approved.
There is a certain laws in Massachusetts, Canada. I'm not
sure you know you know you have you can we
send that No.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
We would you?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
No?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
No, do me a favorite John, just would be I would.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Buy I would buy it because I would, so.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
You would not be you would not be be scared
off from purchasing the only.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Way I would back out of it. The only way
I would back out of it is like maybe years later,
like you find this out, like it could have been
a hospital, still bonds of this and that, but like
do they have a full basement there or is it
like a call space or what's the deal? Is it
a foundation?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I don't know about the house in New Brunswick. You're
going back to the house in New Friendswick. I have
simply described it as a drift floor. And he's not
on the line with us. My my interest is hearing
you say that, yeah, you would buy the house if
you like the house. Rachel, from your experience as a realtor, Uh,
have people asked you this question before and you had
(31:54):
to answer the question?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I personally haven't, But I asked my mom and she
said that she has had asked people asked before, and
she said, well, you know, it's in the state sale
and the father did die here of natural causes, and
the son did also die here of natural causes. And
the buyer said, thank you very much, we're all set
and turned around and walked away.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
So you're saying that John would be the exception of
the most of the people. Yeah, I don't know. Interesting,
it's most people are never going to first of all,
asked the question, most houses do not have any sort
of a violent death occur? Obviously in older houses, as
Rachel has said, now the chances, the probability are in
(32:36):
a house that's a couple of hundred years old that
back in the in the old days, people weren't rushed
to the hospital. They died in their bed, right.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Well, that's why they called it the powa like a
funeral pollow, because they have to wake in the in
the living room.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I learned something there. Okay, now I had not been y.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Yeah, they put people in the living room to see
if they woke up. And oftentimes if you go into
older houses, you'll see that there's like an indent in
the staircase that a lot of people now they'll put
like vases or whatever. And that's called a coffin corner.
So that when they would go upstairs to the second
floor to go retrieve a body, to say, you get
(33:15):
a coffin down the stairs.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Wow, it's interesting when you use the word coffin corner.
In football, when a kicker is able to put the ball,
a puncher is able to put the ball out like
inside the five yard line. The announcers used to refer
to it as the coffin corner. We're learning a lot here,
Hey John, I hate to do this to your buddy,
but we're run out of town. Great call, Thank you,
tell you this.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I'll have you. I'll have you hit in a wedge
within five feet of that coffin corner and you won't
have to worry about second a putt because you will
and you owe me a bit, all.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Right, John, I'll take that up on it, Thanks man,
doctor John, Thank you. Uh, we've got to take a
little break. I got worn and fall River calling up
and we'll be back on night side. I could probably
fit another call or too in if you want to
be a vent some six months, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty.
My guess, Rachel person, we're talking about again. This is
(34:08):
Halloween Eve, the night before Halloween, and we're talking about
haunted homes. And if you were to buy a home
or be interested in a home that you liked, and
all of a sudden you found out that someone had
died unexpectedly, there with that dissuade you from following through
uh on the on the purchase, I think where you
(34:29):
can see we have different reactions from different people. Will
be right back on Nightside.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Back to the phones, we go for Rachel Person, realtor
from Newburyport who was licensed to sell homes, particularly antique homes,
and uh, well that's part of her specialty here in
Massachusetts and New Hampshire. War and next on Nightside, go
on hits her.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Hey Rachel, Hey, Dan, Hey, We're gonna like this story.
I I grew up in Marlborough, in Marlboro, mass in
a mansion that was haunted.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
The house was.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Built in eighteen ninety six, all right, It had a
made quarters and it had all the actually had a
belts in it too, all right. And my father got
the got the mansion and two and a half aches
of land back in nineteen seventy five for eighty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Wow. How many square feet in the mansion did?
Speaker 6 (35:34):
I can't venture? I guess I counted the rooms in it.
It was like twenty six rooms.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
But anyways, but the story goes, you know, is like
the people that lived before us, before we moved in,
there were a group of devil worshipers. So every door,
every door led to the outside had an upside down
(36:04):
red cross over it. And yeah, we've had freaky things
happen in it, like we had we have like back
stairways to the third floor where you would literally hear
someone going up and down the stairs and chuck the
stairs and no one would be on there.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Did this freak you out as a kid before?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (36:24):
God, yeah, oh yeah, it freaked us out as a kid.
You know, we actually would have bats in the house.
You know, we would get a bat lying in a
in the second floor hallway and you know, going back
and forth and all stuff like that. And you know,
one day, my sister was having her friends over for
us over and three point thirty in the morning, we
(36:47):
hear a horrible scream from come down, come from the downstairs,
and one of the bats is on her girlfriend's heads.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I can understand why you would hear us.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
Of course, that course to the sibling. I'm laughing, right,
I'm laughing, And you know, and you know her, her
sister's friend never came back over the house.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I didn't understand that. I I yeah, yeah, but how
long did you live there? When did you leave there?
I mean how?
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Oh god, well we had the like I lived there
through my my teenage years and yeah we I probably
lived in there for like fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
And you sleep well at night, Warren? Did you sleep
well at night?
Speaker 5 (37:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (37:34):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
No, you would have there would be cold spots, there
would be yeah, stuff like that, and there would be
this and that, and you'd wait, you know, you.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Know, did your dad ever explain to let me ask
you why did your dad buy? I mean, it sounds
like it was a good investment, but.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Yeah, well it would yeah, it would sound like great,
great investment, great piece of land. Just that it's always
on the dead end street.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Don't say dead end street here that that would scare
me too.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
No, no, but we were on the dead end street
where the last house we were actually the last house.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
On the bus.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Do you have a lot of friends come over, Warren?
Speaker 5 (38:15):
And no?
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Actually no, Actually, you know if you were playing in
our yard, yeah, all the new neighborhood kIPS came over
and we would play We would actually play baseball in
the in the backyard, you know, we would actually, Warren.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
We're flat out of time. But thank you, thank you
for that story.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
Okay, well, I hope I'm glad that you enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
It, so we sure did. Thanks War, I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
All right to the calls in the line. Unfortunately we've
run out of time, Rachel. If folks are looking to
purchase an empty comb threw you up in northern Massachusetts,
New Hampshire, how can they get in touch with you?
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah, sure, well they If you have TikTok, you can
follow me on TikTok at tol person Real Tour, and
you can also go to our website. It's my mother
and I. It's person and person g r P dot com.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
That wonderful all.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
One word person in person, one word g r u
P group the word group dot com. Okay, great, Rachel,
thank you very much. You're a good sport and I
learned a lot. Thank you so much for joining us tonight.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Happy Halloween, Yes, happy Halloween to you.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
I don't know how well I'll sleep tonight. Thanks very much, Rachel.
All Right, we get back. I'm going to go back
to politics and open up the phone lines on the
latest UH allegations back and forth between the Trump campaign,
the Harris campaign, and now it involves former president by
(39:52):
not former president but current President Biden, and allegations of
the phrase garbage. I think I think we've hit a
low point American politics. Be back on Nightside right after
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