November 6, 2024 • 36 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
Bill Pennington – Founder of Run For The Troops shares Upcoming Events This Week – Dinner on the 8th and 5K Walk/Run on the 10th.
Marion Nestle - An emeritus professor of nutrition, food studies and public health at New York University asks if there is really such a thing as a healthy soda? More brands are marketing some sodas as “healthy”.
How long can you stand on one foot? The answer may predict your fall risk. A Mayo Clinic study finds that ff you can’t stand on your leg for five seconds, you’re at risk of falls…Dr. Kenton Kaufman - the senior author of the Mayo Clinic study & a musculoskeletal research professor at Mayo Clinic in Minnesota joined Dan Rea.
Bill Moore – Founder of Project New Hope – An organization that supports veterans and their families here in MA & New England.
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Bill Pennington – Founder of Run For The Troops shares Upcoming Events This Week – Dinner on the 8th and 5K Walk/Run on the 10th.
Marion Nestle - An emeritus professor of nutrition, food studies and public health at New York University asks if there is really such a thing as a healthy soda? More brands are marketing some sodas as “healthy”.
How long can you stand on one foot? The answer may predict your fall risk. A Mayo Clinic study finds that ff you can’t stand on your leg for five seconds, you’re at risk of falls…Dr. Kenton Kaufman - the senior author of the Mayo Clinic study & a musculoskeletal research professor at Mayo Clinic in Minnesota joined Dan Rea.
Bill Moore – Founder of Project New Hope – An organization that supports veterans and their families here in MA & New England.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS, Boston's new radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thanks very much, Nicole.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
This is Dan Ray and I am here every Monday
through Friday night, with some exceptions, but pretty much every
Monday through Friday night, along with my producer partner, Rob Brooks.
He is back in the control room at Broadcasts Central.
So during the first hour, as you know, we are
back to regularly schedule program after our election special last night,
(00:30):
and we'll talk with four guests during this hour about
good activities and events or developments or trends that you
need to be aware of. Let me just take a
quick moment and remind you that we will be talking
about the stunning results of this election. This I had
said that I was hoping for a decisive election victory.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I felt that it would be better.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
For the country if one of these candidates won decisively,
and I think one did, so we're going to.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Talk about that.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
We're going to talk with Dave Paleologus Polster, I think,
one of the best pollsters and someone who we've relied
on for years. During the nine o'clock hour, you can
call in and ask questions. I think we'll break it
down for you We're still looking at the numbers. There
are still a couple of states that haven't been called.
But this is an extraordinary election. The Vice President of
(01:23):
the United States, Kamala Harris, did extend her congratulations to
President elect Trump and also delivered what I guess would
be characterized as her official concession speech this afternoon at
at Howard University in Washington, d C. School from when
she graduated. So we'll get to all of that. We
have four hours tonight plenty to do. So if you
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have thoughts on the election, on the results, whether you're happy, unhappy,
or whatever. I do think it's time for us to
put some of this behind us, some of the language,
and try to look at each other not so much
as enemies, but people who have a different opinion. But
I'll get to all of that. I just wanted to
set the table and get that out before we started.
(02:05):
So tonight we are going to start off with Bill Pennington.
Bill is going to tell us about an event, a
couple of events coming up this weekend the group that
he represents. He was the founder of a group called
Run for the Troops. Bill Pennington, Welcome back to Night's Side. Obviously,
the title of the group run for the troops, I
(02:27):
think is self explanatory, but let's let's drill down a
little bit here, and what are we talking about coming
up in the next week or so.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Well, Friday night at an Indian Ridge country Club, it's
actually a celebration dinner. We honor our veterans and recognize
them and just give thanks and give these the civilians
a chance to meet and chat with you know, the
one two. Because of their sacrifice, we have our safety
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and our freedoms. It's a win win and we expect
probably seventy five veterans and Bobby half the crowd will
be veterans, so it'll be a great night. And then
on Sunday we do a couple events. We call it
Forever Young and it's targeted to grandparents and their grandchildren.
One time around the track, real simple, we don't care
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how you get around. You can push grandma, you can
push your grandchild, you can walk, you can run, and
it's a good way from camaraderie, gets the kids off
the cell phone and actually interact with their grandparents or
even their parents. And then we do the big event,
the five k walk and run at nine o'clock in between,
we do a big veterans ceremony. Probably one hundred and
(03:38):
fifty vests participate on that and bagpipes, color guard and
this year, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Let's do this, Bill.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I don't want to overwhelm people out there because I
feel they have to be like that, be a stenographer
to get all this information. Let's take each of these events.
It's part of this upcoming weekend. So let's break them
down one at a time. You said the dinner. I
think you said the Indian Ridge Country Club.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Correct, yep, and andover mass yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Sure, okay, So how can folks, assuming that they'd like
to go to the dinner, are they tickets still available?
What's the what's the deal with with that?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Well, we can always squeeze a few more in, But
if they can just go to our website, it's Run
for the Troops m A dot org. The all the
events are listed on there and they can readier right
now on there, or they can email me at W
Bill Pennington at gmail dot com and we'll we'll squeeze in.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Okay, we'll we'll we'll do all of that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I just want to what I'd like to do is
I have a fairly linear mindset.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I like to talk about one thing, so let's not
mix it out of here. Let's just keep rolling here.
We'll get it all in. There's no need to rush here, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
So run for the troops data Friday night, what time
six o'clock.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Seven o'clock, six o'clo six o'clock.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Indian Ridge Country Club in andover for people who live
up north of the city. Everyone knows where that is,
and they can buy tickets and uh and make reservations
and enjoy the evening. And again, give me the website
where those tickets are available. Let's just focus on the website.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Okay, it's run for the troops.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Ma.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Well, let me try it again. Run for the Troops
five k m dot org.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Okay, so that website is for everything. Run for the
troops the number five km dot org.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Okay. That's so we got that one taken care of.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Now, this giant where people can can bring their children,
their grandchildren, their grandparents and do a lap around a track.
Which school is that going to be held out? That's Saturday, right.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
That's Sunday?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
No, that Sunday.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Okay, that's goods. See where we're making progress here, Bill,
just hang with me. Okay, we're gonna get this all done.
So that's on Sunday, and Sunday is the tenth, if
I'm looking at my calendar correctly, November tenth.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Where is that event?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Okay? It's at thirty six Bartless Street, and it's behind
the Town Offices, which is connected to the Doherty School,
which town and over Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Okay, that's great. Okay, So it's right near the Dougherty School,
and that's free. People can just participate.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Correct, We're just charging ten dollars to cover the cost
of metals and refreshments.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Okay, fair enough. And then you'll also have on Sunday.
Was it two road races, a five K and a
ten k.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
No, it's a five K that starts at nine o'clock
and in between. I know I'm gonna confusia, but there's
a better, big veteran ceremony in between eight and nine
o'clock that we do too.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
That's okay. I'm a little confused, but that's okay.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
So the first thing in terms of sequence is the
walk around the track yep, and then the veterans ceremony yep,
and then the five K.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Now, we got it. Now, we got said the dinners.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Friday night, nothing on Saturday, Sunday, Dorothy School, Dougherty School
in Endover. Start off with the nice leisurely walk around
the track. Everyone's everyone's invited. You asked for a ten
dollar donation, and then you have a ceremony honoring veterans,
and then the five k. Okay, I think we got it, Bill,
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and again I appreciate it very much. Give the website
one more time and I'll let you go. Website one
more time.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Bill, it's run for the troops five K and dot.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Org perfect, perfect, Well.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I hope some of our listeners up in the whole,
you know, surrounding community up there north of Boston and
over and environments participate. I have no idea what the
weather forecast looks like, because I didn't watch the weather tonight,
but I hope you get weather like today and you'll
have a great event. Thanks Bill, I appreciate what you do.
It's a great organization, run for the troops. Thanks Bill.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Thank you there, You're right, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Okay, we come back.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Good to ask the question is there really such a
thing as a healthy soda?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Now?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Apparently there's a lot of brands out there that are
marketing some soda as healthy. That almost sounds oxymoronic. We're
going to talk with a guest, Marion Nessel. She wrote
a book on the soda industry and is the emeritus
professor of Nutrition, Food Studies, and Public Health at NYU,
New York University.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Stick with us.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
We'll be back with Marion Nessel, and maybe we'll talk
about whatever soda you have in your refrigerator. Back on Nightside.
My name is Dan Raith, the night after the twenty
twenty four election. We have a lot of conversation coming
up between nine and twelve, but we have three more guests,
special guests to talk to in this hour. Please stay
with us here on Nightside. We're gonna have a great
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show tonight.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the window World
night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'd like to welcome Mary Nessel.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
She's written a book on the soda industry and as
an emeritus professor at of Nutrition, Food Studies and Public
Health at New York University. A great college professor, Nessel.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (09:35):
I'm just fine, beautiful, love you.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I love your last name. It reminds me of candy bars.
I love that nestl nystl e uh oh. I know
that you see you, professors, you anticipate questions. I was
hoping for you. Okay, So the question is is there
really such a thing as a healthy soda? Look, I've
gotten rid of pepsi. I used to drink pepsi A
(10:00):
I got rid of it. I realized forty one carbs
in every pepsi Along the way. It helped me lose
some weight and get much better shape. Smartest thing I
did I drink. I drink water at my meals. Food
tastes much better. But there are some brands out there
that are marketing some sodas as healthy. Kind of sounds
a little oxymoronic to me.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
A healthy soda, well, the first question is how much
sugar does it have? The second question doesn't have artificial sweeteners.
If it's water with a little fruit juice in it,
I'm forish. Even if it's fish water.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Even if it's what type of water? Just took a
water fishy? I drink tap water with ice cubes and
it's great.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Maybe I throw a piece of lemon or a piece
of lime in there.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And I got all the flavoring.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I want is the sodas out there that are now
coming on the market, because that's what people want that
actually are good quality. That you've done the studies, I
haven't any that you'd recommend.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
Well, I'm just absolutely amazed when I go into a
supermarket to see the numbers of bottled waters, fruit flavored,
some of them sparkling, some of them with juice in them,
very low in sugar. Many of them are not artificially sweetened.
And I think you could find plenty of them. The
question is whether it's sweet enough for you, and that
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we've gotten used to drinking really sweet drinks and that's
not very good for our health. Unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I can tell you when I knocked off pepsis, and
I used to be a pepsi guy. If I went
to lunch with you, I'd have pepsi with I'd order
a glass of ice water, but I wouldn't touch the
ice water, and I'd have two or three pepsis. And
all of a sudden, I realized what am I doing
to myself. I'm in the gym working out. All I'm
doing is throwing carbs down at lunchtime. Now you're never
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going to find me at lunch, and you'll never find
me with a regular pepsi or a regular coke in
my hand.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I just I learned that.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And once you learn it, and you and for a
couple of weeks you get off it. You know, very
easy habits to break. Have you ever done any study
a study on how tough or how easy it is
to get away from sweetened sodas compared to say, some
of the other addictive activities that people have, whether it's
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chocolate bars or cigarettes' what's.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
The It depends on who you are, you know. The
research on addiction says that about somewhere between ten and
fifteen percent of people who have an addictive personality and
they feel like they're addicted to sodas, they've got a
real problem. I think for other people it's not a
problem to lose them at all. And my first advice
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for any but who's trying to lose weight is drop
the sugar sweetened beverages. Get rid of them. They're calories
you don't need, they don't add nutrition in anything nutritious
to your diet. Get rid of them. Number one thing
to get rid of is the sugar sweetened beverages.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah. The other thing that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Is to me is interesting is that if you replace
them with there's a lot of I love fruits, I
love macintosh apples, green grapes, red grapes. They all have sugar.
You know, you can help. You can get sugar through
good sauces as opposed to twelve on soda cans.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Well, but you don't get you don't get nearly as much,
and you have fiber and other kinds of components with it.
It takes a lot of grapes to add up to
the sugar that's in a standard sugar sweetened beverage that
might have thirty or forty grams of sugar in just
one can. It's not the little ements that our problem.
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It's having this enormous amount of sugar in a liquid
form that's absorbed very very quickly. It messes up your metabolism.
It's not a good thing to.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Do, no, no question. Now you've written a book on
the soda industry. If that book is still available and
people wanted to get a copy of it, can they
go to Amazon? What can they do if they'd like
to get a copy of the book.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
Yeah, I'm just order it from your bookstore.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
From some online source of Soda politics taking on big
Soda and winning.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
So the title is Soda politics taking on big soda
and winning winn Yeah, that's always good.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
As we found out last night, if you were a
Trump supporter.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
But the point is, I'm assuming that you're not a
big hit in the in the boardroom, the corporate boardroom
of Pepsi or Coke.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Oh, I probably not, although I've although I've met very
high officials in those in those companies on various occasions.
They've come to visit me in my office. They're very respectful,
they're respectful.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Are they doing the same thing if if if soda
consumption you know again, you know, we'll call soda. What
we mean obviously is Sprite and Nepsi and root Beer's
and all those fans and stuff. Are they increasing the
overseas market? When I travel, I see Pepsi and Coke
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wherever I go, it's it's available. I know that the
cigarette companies export now a lot of cigarettes overseas. Uh.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Well, the soda companies have a real problem because the
peak year of soda consumption and the United States was
nineteen ninety nine. That was a long time ago. And
it's been going down steadily ever since. And so if
you can't sell in the United States, you've got to
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sell someplace. And the particularly Co Cola developed a worldwide
distribution system during the Second World War where they said
they would supply Coca Cola to every soldier that the
United States had deployed anywhere, and the government built bottling
(16:33):
plants for them all over the world. So they sell
it everywhere, and the you know, other people haven't learned
the message about maybe too much sugar isn't good for you.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
So well, that's set up when you think about it,
when all those troops from World War II came home.
That's why pepsi and certainly Coca Cola was the beverage
of choice. I'm sure in America that the fifties and
sixties into the seventh.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
And that's why they were all smoking too, because the
cigarettes were free. But you know, yeah, so things have
changed and the you know, I'm not opposed to drinking
and beverages. I just think this is something you have
to do in very small amounts.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
What do they say everything in moderation, Professor, Professor Professor
Meritis Marion Nessel, Thank you very much, for joining us tonight.
Give us the name of the book one more time
in case folks wants it. SOA Politics, Perfect Soda Politics,
either on Amazon or at your bookstore.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Thank you so much, Professor, enjoyed.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Talking with you, my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Thanks. Have a great night.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Soda Politics, taking on big Soda and winning by Professor
Marion Nessel like the candy.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Bar an E s t l E.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
All right, We're going to go back with a very
interesting guest dealing with and the reason it's interesting. I've
recently read about this how long can you stand on
one foot? And the answer may predict your fall risk.
I'm not sure I buy that. We're going to talk
with doctor Kenton Kaufman. He's the senior author of the
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Mayo Clinic study and a musculo skeletal research professor at
the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm sure he knows a lot about this. I'm gonna be.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Really interested in this conversation. I hope you will be
as well. My name is Dan Raynge. Listening to Nightside
and WBZ ten thirty and the Am dial here in Boston,
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Back on Nightside right after the news break at the
bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It's Nightside Withst's News Radio.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Delighted to welcome doctor Kenton Kaufman. He's a member of
the Mayo Clinic Faculty Mayo Clinic Research. He has done
a senior author on a study of musculoskeletal research. Professor
at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. I've read about this recently,
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doctor Kaufman, as to may be a relationship as to
how long you can stand on one foot and the
answer may predict your fall risk. I get that, but
have also said I've also seen that there's some correlation
between not only the length of time you can stand,
but other factors. Please tell us about it, because I'm
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so happy to have you on tonight. First of all,
welcome to Boston and welcome to Nightside WBZ.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Thank you for the invitation to be with you, Dan,
and look forward to our discussion. The study basically look
at a number of factors that have been known to
identify aging and older adults, and it compared all those
factors and found that the ability to stand on one
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leg was the one that decreased the quickest with aging.
And so that's a good predictor of, you know, how
healthy you are as you age.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Okay, so when we talk about aging, are we talking
about people over fifty? Are we talking about people over eighty?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
What?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
What sort of a you know, continuum did you study?
Speaker 7 (20:34):
Yeah? Great question. We started. We had people ages fifty
to eighty three in this study. The average age was
sixty five. There was twenty people below age sixty five
and twenty people above age sixty five.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Oh, was that a large enough sample?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Again, I'm not christ questioning it here, but you know,
in Major league sports, the Minnesota Twins will rank since
you're in Minnesota, will bring up some rookie who will
hit three hundred for the last two weeks of the season,
and they'll find out that he had twenty at bats
and six hits, and the baseball professionals will say, well,
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that's a small sample size. Let's see what he does
next spring, and go ahead, doctor only, I'm having some
fun with you.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Go ahead.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Yeah, that's a good point. All these findings are statistically significant.
I would say they're also clinically significant. Certainly a larger
study would have been better, but these data work were
found to be significant.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Okay, so let's break it down. So you're saying any
adult should be concerned if they're unable to stand in
a one legged position for the constand for five seconds?
Is that I'm just looking kind of at the bottom
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line statistically here.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Yeah, that's correct. We asked the game that the individuals
in the study a target of thirty seconds, and some
of them could hit that target and some of them
could not. For the individual's underage sixty five, the average
time was twenty three seconds, and for those above sixty five,
the average time was eleven seconds.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
You're all pretty you must have had some pretty good
adults there. I I'm on the wrong side of fifty,
but I don't know that I could stand on one leg.
I got a bad left ankle, which I've compromised from
too much sports and high school and college.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
In my younger years.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
How do you compensate for someone who's got a you know,
a real problem with a knee problem or an ankle problem.
Do you discount what length of time they can stand
on legs that have a joint problem.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Well, you know that's part of life as you age.
And you know again, if you can stand on that
leg for over five seconds, you're probably not as much
at risk of falling as if you can't. So, yeah,
we took healthy older adults in the community that we study.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Okay, now you correlated with longevity as I understand it,
meaning if you have someone and they're unable to do
this at a certain age, whatever that age is, sixty
sixty five, seventy seventy five, tell us about the longevity.
What does that mean? I don't want my listeners tonight
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going to bed thinking they're going to die in their sleep.
But what does that mean? Put aside falls for a second,
let's talk just longevity.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Yeah, so this study was a cross sectional study, just
looking at a group of older adults. To really look
at longevity, you would need to follow the same person
over time to see if there's any predictive ability.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, oh okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
So therefore longevity really was not really has not been
study here.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
The question is your proclivity to falling?
Speaker 7 (24:03):
That's correct. Well, actually the question was about balance but
but balance is the you know, loss of balance is
the leading costing of falls and older adults. So in essence,
it's just to be about falling too.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I was watching a video last night of some exercises
that people can do to improve their balance, and essentially
it showed people standing straight up and you know, basically
bringing one leg up to the one side of their body,
putting that leg down, bringing the other leg up to
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the other side of the body. And then there was
some some some pretty simple you know, which seemed to
me to make sense. Basically people standing straight on their
you know, on their legs, standing up and taking the
leg and moving the right legout, you know, thirty thirty
five degrees, bringing it back, bringing the left leg out
thirty to thirty five degrees, and doing it, you know,
twenty twenty five times. Any of those exercises helpful. Can
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people improve their balance by doing extra specific exercises?
Speaker 7 (25:10):
They can? And some of the things you were mentioning
are exercises for balance, and you know that. I think
the message for your listeners is is that, you know,
if you're having trouble with balance, then maybe look at
some of these exercises that are easy to do that
you can do at home.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Okay, And then let me ask you one personally. Okay.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I spend a lot of time in the gym, and
my favorite machine to work is the elliptical because they
don't have to worry about impact, you know, joint impact.
And so what I try to do is I try
to do ten minutes without touching anything, without holding it
on anything, keeping my balance, and then as I get
(25:52):
a little tired and I move up, you know, the
the greater resistance, you know, I'll hold on with something
like that help your balance if someone's doing you know,
ellipticals where you're standing, you know, you want to be
an athletic position while you're doing it.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You don't want to be standing up straight.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
You want to sort of be kind of leading into it.
Is that something that would help people to improve their balance?
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Absolutely, And that's a that's a real good test to
balance because you're you're moving and you have to shift
your late from side to side.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Good Okay, Well okay then and then I've stumbled into
a couple of things that that that I will.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Continue to do.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Is there any way in which people can either get
access to the study or get access to information about
the study. Is there any any website we can refer
folks to.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Oh, yeah, that's a great question. So this is an
open access journal, so there's no charge for them to
to access to the article. It's in a journal called
plus one. I'm I don't exactly have the exact, uh,
you know, way to go get it, but it's something
they can access, and I'm sure they'll be away for
(27:09):
on your website for them to find that link and
be able to access it.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Looks to me like the plus one is spelled not
like like plus like addition, but it's p l O
S or Am I.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Missing something that is correct? PLS one?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And I'm sure that if they just google plus one
p l os not plus p l U S p
l O S one, they'll they'll be directed to it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Google is pretty good.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, they get you generally to the website pretty easily.
Doctor Cobblin really enjoyed the conversation. Thank you so much
for giving us your time. The Mayo Clinic is such
a wonderful institution. We have great medical facilities here in Boston, obviously,
but the Mayo Clinic is one, along with the Cleveland
Clinic that they we stand in hour of those two
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clinicses and others around the country. We have great medical
facilities in Boston, but there are a lot of great
medical facilities around the country as well. Thank you so
much for the work you've done.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
On this issue.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
You have great facilities in Boston. It's a pleasure to
be with you this evening. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Well, thank you, Doctor Kenton Kaufman, senior author of the
Mayo Clinic study as a research professor at the Mayo
Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Now when we come.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Back, we are going to talk with a second group,
a representative of a second group dealing with veterans, because
obviously we have Veterans Day coming up on Monday, November eleventh,
is just around the corner. Going to be talking with
Bill Moore, founder of Project New Hope. We'll be back
on Night's Side with our next guest on the other
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side of this very quick break on Wednesday night, the
night after the election that we have been talking about
and thinking about for months, and for that matter, for years.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
We'll be back right after this.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
All right, I want to welcome Bill Moore. He's the
founder of a group called Project New Hope. Bill, explain
to us exactly what Project New Hope is and how
long it's been in operation.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Welcome to night Side.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Yes, sir, thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
So I'm an Air Force veteran and I retired. Thank you, sir.
I retired, and about seventeen years ago and fourteen years
ago I started Project New Hope to offer free weekend
retreats and week long retreats for veterans in their families.
We focus on We have male veterans retreats, Women veterans retreats,
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couples retreats, we focus on TBI PTSD, just a whole
host of almost of retreats and stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Just where are the where are the retreats? How are
they in one location essentially located or are they wells?
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Yeah, well we have them. We also use grotten Wood.
It's in Groton, mass We go up to Oldoche Beach, Maine.
We host retreats up there, and we do most of
our retreats up in Westfield at a facility called Genesis
UH and those are week long retreats. And then New
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we just started them last last year and it's they're
called the katinam at At TCM. And if you have
a veteran struggling with PTS, guild anger, you know, fear,
physical pain, limited beliefs, the patina at At TCM resolves
and dissolves these problems. And it's based on neuroscience and
brain based hailing that helps the people get over the
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trauma without having it to relive any pain.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Are really.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
How do veterans find you?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
So they go on to our website projectnew Hopema dot
org and they click on to the tab that says
retreat and we'll list all the retreats. We have one
coming up tomorrow we're leaving for for a week and
it's up in Westfield, mass And it's a men's TCM
retreat and that will be our last one for twenty
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twenty four.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
So over the course of the year, how many of
these retreats are held? And I'm just wondering how many
service personnel and or you know, their spouses are off
significant others are accommodated, Yes.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Sir, So these new retreats here, we're limited to ten veterans.
So the male veterans retreat and the women veterans retreat
is ten each and we bring in five trauma based specialists.
Each trauma based specialists is assigned two veterans. The couple's
retreat is five veterans or military members and their spouses
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and we do a lot of the you know, equining
therapy and yoga and reiki and reflexology and massage and
hot therapy, and it's it's really incredible. And if any
of the listeners just want to go into our website
and just click on retreats and scroll down and read
some of the testimonials and see some of the photos
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of these retreats, it's just it's really incredible what's taking
place here, this transformation.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Now, how did you get involved? Were you dealing with
some of these issues yourself? At some point in post military?
Speaker 7 (32:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Some one hundred percent service connected and I had PTS
and I was a social worker for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
I worked for dc UP before I retired. I had
twenty five years and I was always out looking for
different things here and my wife and I were down
in Flower, Uh with kind of snow goods and we
came across the TCM retreats that were being offered down there,
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and we reached out to Michael Katina and you know,
had multiple conversations with him, and I asked him if
he would consider host and retreats here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And no idea who Michael Katina is or who is
Who's Michael?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Well, Michael, Michael Katina is the the gentleman that created
the Katina method. He created, Uh, this brain based healing
module that we that we utilize. And uh, he goes
all over the country talking about TCM and hosting retreats
and in different countries and stuff, and uh, it's truly
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incredible what he's offering.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Now, do you do you work full time on this
or is it or is it has it become a
vocation or is it When I say an application, I
use that have a word application in the best sense
where you're actually, you know, volunteering time or are you
part of the team that administers this.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Yeah, well, I'm the founder and president of a Project
New Hope and I retire. The VA put me at
one hundred percent service connected and I retired about seventeen
years ago, and so I just volunteer my time here
and I run Project New Hope And you know, everything
else that we offer here, okay, And.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
If folks either want to take advantage of the opportunity,
they can go to a Project New Hope for Massachusets
obviously all oneword dot org. Yeah, if you want to
looks like you're accepting people to work as volunteers as.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
I understand this, Yes, sir, yes we have.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
We have one full time employee, my operations manager, and
we have eight part time people, but the majority is volunteers.
And besides the retreats, we also we have a food pantry,
a baby pantry, we have a veterans coffee social that
meets every Tuesday. We do acclaim assistance here of this,
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you know.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
And where where are you located?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Obviously you're in Massachusetts, but where's the hub of activity?
Speaker 5 (35:20):
So the main office here is in Worcester on seventy
James Street. Also wee one twenty nine A and then
we have an office up in Westfield.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Mass Right.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Okay, So that way, folks either who need some help
are invited to get in touch with you at that website,
Project New Hope m A all one word lowercase dot
org or if people would like to support you. You
certainly are not going to turn away people who want
to financially support you. I certainly get that and respect that,
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and thank you for everything that you've done on behalf
of Veterance.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Thank you, sir, I appreciate it, Sir, Thank you very kindly.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Okay, Bill Moore, who's exactly direct and chair the board
of Project New Hope. When we get back, we're going
to be talking about a new president, the forty seventh
president of the United States. Many people thought this would
not be decided, maybe until Friday or Saturday. Well, it
was done this morning. For around five am. Most of
us were asleep at least I was woke up to
(36:20):
find out that, yeah, what it appeared the direction that
Donald Trump was heading in. And we're going to talk
with Dave.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Paley Logus about that and going to get your reaction.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I'm surprised, as anyone, I will admit, I'm stunned that
Donald Trump was able to complete this return to office.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
We'll talk about that coming back on night side
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS, Boston's new radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thanks very much, Nicole.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
This is Dan Ray and I am here every Monday
through Friday night, with some exceptions, but pretty much every
Monday through Friday night, along with my producer partner, Rob Brooks.
He is back in the control room at Broadcasts Central.
So during the first hour, as you know, we are
back to regularly schedule program after our election special last night,
(00:30):
and we'll talk with four guests during this hour about
good activities and events or developments or trends that you
need to be aware of. Let me just take a
quick moment and remind you that we will be talking
about the stunning results of this election. This I had
said that I was hoping for a decisive election victory.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I felt that it would be better.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
For the country if one of these candidates won decisively,
and I think one did, so we're going to.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Talk about that.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
We're going to talk with Dave Paleologus Polster, I think,
one of the best pollsters and someone who we've relied
on for years. During the nine o'clock hour, you can
call in and ask questions. I think we'll break it
down for you We're still looking at the numbers. There
are still a couple of states that haven't been called.
But this is an extraordinary election. The Vice President of
(01:23):
the United States, Kamala Harris, did extend her congratulations to
President elect Trump and also delivered what I guess would
be characterized as her official concession speech this afternoon at
at Howard University in Washington, d C. School from when
she graduated. So we'll get to all of that. We
have four hours tonight plenty to do. So if you
(01:45):
have thoughts on the election, on the results, whether you're happy, unhappy,
or whatever. I do think it's time for us to
put some of this behind us, some of the language,
and try to look at each other not so much
as enemies, but people who have a different opinion. But
I'll get to all of that. I just wanted to
set the table and get that out before we started.
(02:05):
So tonight we are going to start off with Bill Pennington.
Bill is going to tell us about an event, a
couple of events coming up this weekend the group that
he represents. He was the founder of a group called
Run for the Troops. Bill Pennington, Welcome back to Night's Side. Obviously,
the title of the group run for the troops, I
(02:27):
think is self explanatory, but let's let's drill down a
little bit here, and what are we talking about coming
up in the next week or so.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Well, Friday night at an Indian Ridge country Club, it's
actually a celebration dinner. We honor our veterans and recognize
them and just give thanks and give these the civilians
a chance to meet and chat with you know, the
one two. Because of their sacrifice, we have our safety
(02:56):
and our freedoms. It's a win win and we expect
probably seventy five veterans and Bobby half the crowd will
be veterans, so it'll be a great night. And then
on Sunday we do a couple events. We call it
Forever Young and it's targeted to grandparents and their grandchildren.
One time around the track, real simple, we don't care
(03:17):
how you get around. You can push grandma, you can
push your grandchild, you can walk, you can run, and
it's a good way from camaraderie, gets the kids off
the cell phone and actually interact with their grandparents or
even their parents. And then we do the big event,
the five k walk and run at nine o'clock in between,
we do a big veterans ceremony. Probably one hundred and
(03:38):
fifty vests participate on that and bagpipes, color guard and
this year, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Let's do this, Bill.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I don't want to overwhelm people out there because I
feel they have to be like that, be a stenographer
to get all this information. Let's take each of these events.
It's part of this upcoming weekend. So let's break them
down one at a time. You said the dinner. I
think you said the Indian Ridge Country Club.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Correct, yep, and andover mass yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Sure, okay, So how can folks, assuming that they'd like
to go to the dinner, are they tickets still available?
What's the what's the deal with with that?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Well, we can always squeeze a few more in, But
if they can just go to our website, it's Run
for the Troops m A dot org. The all the
events are listed on there and they can readier right
now on there, or they can email me at W
Bill Pennington at gmail dot com and we'll we'll squeeze in.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Okay, we'll we'll we'll do all of that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I just want to what I'd like to do is
I have a fairly linear mindset.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I like to talk about one thing, so let's not
mix it out of here. Let's just keep rolling here.
We'll get it all in. There's no need to rush here, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
So run for the troops data Friday night, what time
six o'clock.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Seven o'clock, six o'clo six o'clock.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Indian Ridge Country Club in andover for people who live
up north of the city. Everyone knows where that is,
and they can buy tickets and uh and make reservations
and enjoy the evening. And again, give me the website
where those tickets are available. Let's just focus on the website.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Okay, it's run for the troops.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Ma.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Well, let me try it again. Run for the Troops
five k m dot org.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Okay, so that website is for everything. Run for the
troops the number five km dot org.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Okay. That's so we got that one taken care of.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Now, this giant where people can can bring their children,
their grandchildren, their grandparents and do a lap around a track.
Which school is that going to be held out? That's Saturday, right.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
That's Sunday?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
No, that Sunday.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Okay, that's goods. See where we're making progress here, Bill,
just hang with me. Okay, we're gonna get this all done.
So that's on Sunday, and Sunday is the tenth, if
I'm looking at my calendar correctly, November tenth.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Where is that event?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Okay? It's at thirty six Bartless Street, and it's behind
the Town Offices, which is connected to the Doherty School,
which town and over Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Okay, that's great. Okay, So it's right near the Dougherty School,
and that's free. People can just participate.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Correct, We're just charging ten dollars to cover the cost
of metals and refreshments.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Okay, fair enough. And then you'll also have on Sunday.
Was it two road races, a five K and a
ten k.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
No, it's a five K that starts at nine o'clock
and in between. I know I'm gonna confusia, but there's
a better, big veteran ceremony in between eight and nine
o'clock that we do too.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
That's okay. I'm a little confused, but that's okay.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
So the first thing in terms of sequence is the
walk around the track yep, and then the veterans ceremony yep,
and then the five K.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Now, we got it. Now, we got said the dinners.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Friday night, nothing on Saturday, Sunday, Dorothy School, Dougherty School
in Endover. Start off with the nice leisurely walk around
the track. Everyone's everyone's invited. You asked for a ten
dollar donation, and then you have a ceremony honoring veterans,
and then the five k. Okay, I think we got it, Bill,
(07:48):
and again I appreciate it very much. Give the website
one more time and I'll let you go. Website one
more time.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Bill, it's run for the troops five K and dot.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Org perfect, perfect, Well.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I hope some of our listeners up in the whole,
you know, surrounding community up there north of Boston and
over and environments participate. I have no idea what the
weather forecast looks like, because I didn't watch the weather tonight,
but I hope you get weather like today and you'll
have a great event. Thanks Bill, I appreciate what you do.
It's a great organization, run for the troops. Thanks Bill.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Thank you there, You're right, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Okay, we come back.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Good to ask the question is there really such a
thing as a healthy soda?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Now?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Apparently there's a lot of brands out there that are
marketing some soda as healthy. That almost sounds oxymoronic. We're
going to talk with a guest, Marion Nessel. She wrote
a book on the soda industry and is the emeritus
professor of Nutrition, Food Studies, and Public Health at NYU,
New York University.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Stick with us.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
We'll be back with Marion Nessel, and maybe we'll talk
about whatever soda you have in your refrigerator. Back on Nightside.
My name is Dan Raith, the night after the twenty
twenty four election. We have a lot of conversation coming
up between nine and twelve, but we have three more guests,
special guests to talk to in this hour. Please stay
with us here on Nightside. We're gonna have a great
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show tonight.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the window World
night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'd like to welcome Mary Nessel.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
She's written a book on the soda industry and as
an emeritus professor at of Nutrition, Food Studies and Public
Health at New York University. A great college professor, Nessel.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (09:35):
I'm just fine, beautiful, love you.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I love your last name. It reminds me of candy bars.
I love that nestl nystl e uh oh. I know
that you see you, professors, you anticipate questions. I was
hoping for you. Okay, So the question is is there
really such a thing as a healthy soda? Look, I've
gotten rid of pepsi. I used to drink pepsi A
(10:00):
I got rid of it. I realized forty one carbs
in every pepsi Along the way. It helped me lose
some weight and get much better shape. Smartest thing I
did I drink. I drink water at my meals. Food
tastes much better. But there are some brands out there
that are marketing some sodas as healthy. Kind of sounds
a little oxymoronic to me.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
A healthy soda, well, the first question is how much
sugar does it have? The second question doesn't have artificial sweeteners.
If it's water with a little fruit juice in it,
I'm forish. Even if it's fish water.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Even if it's what type of water? Just took a
water fishy? I drink tap water with ice cubes and
it's great.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Maybe I throw a piece of lemon or a piece
of lime in there.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And I got all the flavoring.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I want is the sodas out there that are now
coming on the market, because that's what people want that
actually are good quality. That you've done the studies, I
haven't any that you'd recommend.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
Well, I'm just absolutely amazed when I go into a
supermarket to see the numbers of bottled waters, fruit flavored,
some of them sparkling, some of them with juice in them,
very low in sugar. Many of them are not artificially sweetened.
And I think you could find plenty of them. The
question is whether it's sweet enough for you, and that
(11:33):
we've gotten used to drinking really sweet drinks and that's
not very good for our health. Unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I can tell you when I knocked off pepsis, and
I used to be a pepsi guy. If I went
to lunch with you, I'd have pepsi with I'd order
a glass of ice water, but I wouldn't touch the
ice water, and I'd have two or three pepsis. And
all of a sudden, I realized what am I doing
to myself. I'm in the gym working out. All I'm
doing is throwing carbs down at lunchtime. Now you're never
(12:04):
going to find me at lunch, and you'll never find
me with a regular pepsi or a regular coke in
my hand.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I just I learned that.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And once you learn it, and you and for a
couple of weeks you get off it. You know, very
easy habits to break. Have you ever done any study
a study on how tough or how easy it is
to get away from sweetened sodas compared to say, some
of the other addictive activities that people have, whether it's
(12:32):
chocolate bars or cigarettes' what's.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
The It depends on who you are, you know. The
research on addiction says that about somewhere between ten and
fifteen percent of people who have an addictive personality and
they feel like they're addicted to sodas, they've got a
real problem. I think for other people it's not a
problem to lose them at all. And my first advice
(12:59):
for any but who's trying to lose weight is drop
the sugar sweetened beverages. Get rid of them. They're calories
you don't need, they don't add nutrition in anything nutritious
to your diet. Get rid of them. Number one thing
to get rid of is the sugar sweetened beverages.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah. The other thing that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Is to me is interesting is that if you replace
them with there's a lot of I love fruits, I
love macintosh apples, green grapes, red grapes. They all have sugar.
You know, you can help. You can get sugar through
good sauces as opposed to twelve on soda cans.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Well, but you don't get you don't get nearly as much,
and you have fiber and other kinds of components with it.
It takes a lot of grapes to add up to
the sugar that's in a standard sugar sweetened beverage that
might have thirty or forty grams of sugar in just
one can. It's not the little ements that our problem.
(14:04):
It's having this enormous amount of sugar in a liquid
form that's absorbed very very quickly. It messes up your metabolism.
It's not a good thing to.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Do, no, no question. Now you've written a book on
the soda industry. If that book is still available and
people wanted to get a copy of it, can they
go to Amazon? What can they do if they'd like
to get a copy of the book.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
Yeah, I'm just order it from your bookstore.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
From some online source of Soda politics taking on big
Soda and winning.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
So the title is Soda politics taking on big soda
and winning winn Yeah, that's always good.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
As we found out last night, if you were a
Trump supporter.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
But the point is, I'm assuming that you're not a
big hit in the in the boardroom, the corporate boardroom
of Pepsi or Coke.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Oh, I probably not, although I've although I've met very
high officials in those in those companies on various occasions.
They've come to visit me in my office. They're very respectful,
they're respectful.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Are they doing the same thing if if if soda
consumption you know again, you know, we'll call soda. What
we mean obviously is Sprite and Nepsi and root Beer's
and all those fans and stuff. Are they increasing the
overseas market? When I travel, I see Pepsi and Coke
(15:42):
wherever I go, it's it's available. I know that the
cigarette companies export now a lot of cigarettes overseas. Uh.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Well, the soda companies have a real problem because the
peak year of soda consumption and the United States was
nineteen ninety nine. That was a long time ago. And
it's been going down steadily ever since. And so if
you can't sell in the United States, you've got to
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sell someplace. And the particularly Co Cola developed a worldwide
distribution system during the Second World War where they said
they would supply Coca Cola to every soldier that the
United States had deployed anywhere, and the government built bottling
(16:33):
plants for them all over the world. So they sell
it everywhere, and the you know, other people haven't learned
the message about maybe too much sugar isn't good for you.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
So well, that's set up when you think about it,
when all those troops from World War II came home.
That's why pepsi and certainly Coca Cola was the beverage
of choice. I'm sure in America that the fifties and
sixties into the seventh.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
And that's why they were all smoking too, because the
cigarettes were free. But you know, yeah, so things have
changed and the you know, I'm not opposed to drinking
and beverages. I just think this is something you have
to do in very small amounts.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
What do they say everything in moderation, Professor, Professor Professor
Meritis Marion Nessel, Thank you very much, for joining us tonight.
Give us the name of the book one more time
in case folks wants it. SOA Politics, Perfect Soda Politics,
either on Amazon or at your bookstore.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Thank you so much, Professor, enjoyed.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Talking with you, my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Thanks. Have a great night.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Soda Politics, taking on big Soda and winning by Professor
Marion Nessel like the candy.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Bar an E s t l E.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
All right, We're going to go back with a very
interesting guest dealing with and the reason it's interesting. I've
recently read about this how long can you stand on
one foot? And the answer may predict your fall risk.
I'm not sure I buy that. We're going to talk
with doctor Kenton Kaufman. He's the senior author of the
(18:15):
Mayo Clinic study and a musculo skeletal research professor at
the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm sure he knows a lot about this. I'm gonna be.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Really interested in this conversation. I hope you will be
as well. My name is Dan Raynge. Listening to Nightside
and WBZ ten thirty and the Am dial here in Boston,
Boston's news radio. You all can also can find us
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(18:46):
Back on Nightside right after the news break at the
bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
It's Nightside Withst's News Radio.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Delighted to welcome doctor Kenton Kaufman. He's a member of
the Mayo Clinic Faculty Mayo Clinic Research. He has done
a senior author on a study of musculoskeletal research. Professor
at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. I've read about this recently,
(19:17):
doctor Kaufman, as to may be a relationship as to
how long you can stand on one foot and the
answer may predict your fall risk. I get that, but
have also said I've also seen that there's some correlation
between not only the length of time you can stand,
but other factors. Please tell us about it, because I'm
(19:42):
so happy to have you on tonight. First of all,
welcome to Boston and welcome to Nightside WBZ.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Thank you for the invitation to be with you, Dan,
and look forward to our discussion. The study basically look
at a number of factors that have been known to
identify aging and older adults, and it compared all those
factors and found that the ability to stand on one
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leg was the one that decreased the quickest with aging.
And so that's a good predictor of, you know, how
healthy you are as you age.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Okay, so when we talk about aging, are we talking
about people over fifty? Are we talking about people over eighty?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
What?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
What sort of a you know, continuum did you study?
Speaker 7 (20:34):
Yeah? Great question. We started. We had people ages fifty
to eighty three in this study. The average age was
sixty five. There was twenty people below age sixty five
and twenty people above age sixty five.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Oh, was that a large enough sample?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Again, I'm not christ questioning it here, but you know,
in Major league sports, the Minnesota Twins will rank since
you're in Minnesota, will bring up some rookie who will
hit three hundred for the last two weeks of the season,
and they'll find out that he had twenty at bats
and six hits, and the baseball professionals will say, well,
(21:11):
that's a small sample size. Let's see what he does
next spring, and go ahead, doctor only, I'm having some
fun with you.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Go ahead.
Speaker 7 (21:18):
Yeah, that's a good point. All these findings are statistically significant.
I would say they're also clinically significant. Certainly a larger
study would have been better, but these data work were
found to be significant.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Okay, so let's break it down. So you're saying any
adult should be concerned if they're unable to stand in
a one legged position for the constand for five seconds?
Is that I'm just looking kind of at the bottom
(21:53):
line statistically here.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (21:55):
Yeah, that's correct. We asked the game that the individuals
in the study a target of thirty seconds, and some
of them could hit that target and some of them
could not. For the individual's underage sixty five, the average
time was twenty three seconds, and for those above sixty five,
the average time was eleven seconds.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
You're all pretty you must have had some pretty good
adults there. I I'm on the wrong side of fifty,
but I don't know that I could stand on one leg.
I got a bad left ankle, which I've compromised from
too much sports and high school and college.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
In my younger years.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
How do you compensate for someone who's got a you know,
a real problem with a knee problem or an ankle problem.
Do you discount what length of time they can stand
on legs that have a joint problem.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Well, you know that's part of life as you age.
And you know again, if you can stand on that
leg for over five seconds, you're probably not as much
at risk of falling as if you can't. So, yeah,
we took healthy older adults in the community that we study.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Okay, now you correlated with longevity as I understand it,
meaning if you have someone and they're unable to do
this at a certain age, whatever that age is, sixty
sixty five, seventy seventy five, tell us about the longevity.
What does that mean? I don't want my listeners tonight
(23:34):
going to bed thinking they're going to die in their sleep.
But what does that mean? Put aside falls for a second,
let's talk just longevity.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Yeah, so this study was a cross sectional study, just
looking at a group of older adults. To really look
at longevity, you would need to follow the same person
over time to see if there's any predictive ability.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, oh okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
So therefore longevity really was not really has not been
study here.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
The question is your proclivity to falling?
Speaker 7 (24:03):
That's correct. Well, actually the question was about balance but
but balance is the you know, loss of balance is
the leading costing of falls and older adults. So in essence,
it's just to be about falling too.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I was watching a video last night of some exercises
that people can do to improve their balance, and essentially
it showed people standing straight up and you know, basically
bringing one leg up to the one side of their body,
putting that leg down, bringing the other leg up to
(24:37):
the other side of the body. And then there was
some some some pretty simple you know, which seemed to
me to make sense. Basically people standing straight on their
you know, on their legs, standing up and taking the
leg and moving the right legout, you know, thirty thirty
five degrees, bringing it back, bringing the left leg out
thirty to thirty five degrees, and doing it, you know,
twenty twenty five times. Any of those exercises helpful. Can
(25:03):
people improve their balance by doing extra specific exercises?
Speaker 7 (25:10):
They can? And some of the things you were mentioning
are exercises for balance, and you know that. I think
the message for your listeners is is that, you know,
if you're having trouble with balance, then maybe look at
some of these exercises that are easy to do that
you can do at home.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Okay, And then let me ask you one personally. Okay.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I spend a lot of time in the gym, and
my favorite machine to work is the elliptical because they
don't have to worry about impact, you know, joint impact.
And so what I try to do is I try
to do ten minutes without touching anything, without holding it
on anything, keeping my balance, and then as I get
(25:52):
a little tired and I move up, you know, the
the greater resistance, you know, I'll hold on with something
like that help your balance if someone's doing you know,
ellipticals where you're standing, you know, you want to be
an athletic position while you're doing it.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You don't want to be standing up straight.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
You want to sort of be kind of leading into it.
Is that something that would help people to improve their balance?
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Absolutely, And that's a that's a real good test to
balance because you're you're moving and you have to shift
your late from side to side.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Good Okay, Well okay then and then I've stumbled into
a couple of things that that that I will.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Continue to do.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Is there any way in which people can either get
access to the study or get access to information about
the study. Is there any any website we can refer
folks to.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Oh, yeah, that's a great question. So this is an
open access journal, so there's no charge for them to
to access to the article. It's in a journal called
plus one. I'm I don't exactly have the exact, uh,
you know, way to go get it, but it's something
they can access, and I'm sure they'll be away for
(27:09):
on your website for them to find that link and
be able to access it.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Looks to me like the plus one is spelled not
like like plus like addition, but it's p l O
S or Am I.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Missing something that is correct? PLS one?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And I'm sure that if they just google plus one
p l os not plus p l U S p
l O S one, they'll they'll be directed to it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Google is pretty good.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, they get you generally to the website pretty easily.
Doctor Cobblin really enjoyed the conversation. Thank you so much
for giving us your time. The Mayo Clinic is such
a wonderful institution. We have great medical facilities here in Boston, obviously,
but the Mayo Clinic is one, along with the Cleveland
Clinic that they we stand in hour of those two
(28:02):
clinicses and others around the country. We have great medical
facilities in Boston, but there are a lot of great
medical facilities around the country as well. Thank you so
much for the work you've done.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
On this issue.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
You have great facilities in Boston. It's a pleasure to
be with you this evening. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Well, thank you, Doctor Kenton Kaufman, senior author of the
Mayo Clinic study as a research professor at the Mayo
Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Now when we come.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Back, we are going to talk with a second group,
a representative of a second group dealing with veterans, because
obviously we have Veterans Day coming up on Monday, November eleventh,
is just around the corner. Going to be talking with
Bill Moore, founder of Project New Hope. We'll be back
on Night's Side with our next guest on the other
(28:50):
side of this very quick break on Wednesday night, the
night after the election that we have been talking about
and thinking about for months, and for that matter, for years.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
We'll be back right after this.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
All right, I want to welcome Bill Moore. He's the
founder of a group called Project New Hope. Bill, explain
to us exactly what Project New Hope is and how
long it's been in operation.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Welcome to night Side.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Yes, sir, thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
So I'm an Air Force veteran and I retired. Thank you, sir.
I retired, and about seventeen years ago and fourteen years
ago I started Project New Hope to offer free weekend
retreats and week long retreats for veterans in their families.
We focus on We have male veterans retreats, Women veterans retreats,
(29:52):
couples retreats, we focus on TBI PTSD, just a whole
host of almost of retreats and stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Just where are the where are the retreats? How are
they in one location essentially located or are they wells?
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Yeah, well we have them. We also use grotten Wood.
It's in Groton, mass We go up to Oldoche Beach, Maine.
We host retreats up there, and we do most of
our retreats up in Westfield at a facility called Genesis
UH and those are week long retreats. And then New
(30:33):
we just started them last last year and it's they're
called the katinam at At TCM. And if you have
a veteran struggling with PTS, guild anger, you know, fear,
physical pain, limited beliefs, the patina at At TCM resolves
and dissolves these problems. And it's based on neuroscience and
brain based hailing that helps the people get over the
(30:56):
trauma without having it to relive any pain.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Are really.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
How do veterans find you?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
So they go on to our website projectnew Hopema dot
org and they click on to the tab that says
retreat and we'll list all the retreats. We have one
coming up tomorrow we're leaving for for a week and
it's up in Westfield, mass And it's a men's TCM
retreat and that will be our last one for twenty
(31:26):
twenty four.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
So over the course of the year, how many of
these retreats are held? And I'm just wondering how many
service personnel and or you know, their spouses are off
significant others are accommodated, Yes.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Sir, So these new retreats here, we're limited to ten veterans.
So the male veterans retreat and the women veterans retreat
is ten each and we bring in five trauma based specialists.
Each trauma based specialists is assigned two veterans. The couple's
retreat is five veterans or military members and their spouses
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and we do a lot of the you know, equining
therapy and yoga and reiki and reflexology and massage and
hot therapy, and it's it's really incredible. And if any
of the listeners just want to go into our website
and just click on retreats and scroll down and read
some of the testimonials and see some of the photos
(32:29):
of these retreats, it's just it's really incredible what's taking
place here, this transformation.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Now, how did you get involved? Were you dealing with
some of these issues yourself? At some point in post military?
Speaker 7 (32:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Some one hundred percent service connected and I had PTS
and I was a social worker for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
I worked for dc UP before I retired. I had
twenty five years and I was always out looking for
different things here and my wife and I were down
in Flower, Uh with kind of snow goods and we
came across the TCM retreats that were being offered down there,
(33:06):
and we reached out to Michael Katina and you know,
had multiple conversations with him, and I asked him if
he would consider host and retreats here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And no idea who Michael Katina is or who is
Who's Michael?
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Well, Michael, Michael Katina is the the gentleman that created
the Katina method. He created, Uh, this brain based healing
module that we that we utilize. And uh, he goes
all over the country talking about TCM and hosting retreats
and in different countries and stuff, and uh, it's truly
(33:40):
incredible what he's offering.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Now, do you do you work full time on this
or is it or is it has it become a
vocation or is it When I say an application, I
use that have a word application in the best sense
where you're actually, you know, volunteering time or are you
part of the team that administers this.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Yeah, well, I'm the founder and president of a Project
New Hope and I retire. The VA put me at
one hundred percent service connected and I retired about seventeen
years ago, and so I just volunteer my time here
and I run Project New Hope And you know, everything
else that we offer here, okay, And.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
If folks either want to take advantage of the opportunity,
they can go to a Project New Hope for Massachusets
obviously all oneword dot org. Yeah, if you want to
looks like you're accepting people to work as volunteers as.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
I understand this, Yes, sir, yes we have.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
We have one full time employee, my operations manager, and
we have eight part time people, but the majority is volunteers.
And besides the retreats, we also we have a food pantry,
a baby pantry, we have a veterans coffee social that
meets every Tuesday. We do acclaim assistance here of this,
(35:12):
you know.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
And where where are you located?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Obviously you're in Massachusetts, but where's the hub of activity?
Speaker 5 (35:20):
So the main office here is in Worcester on seventy
James Street. Also wee one twenty nine A and then
we have an office up in Westfield.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Mass Right.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Okay, So that way, folks either who need some help
are invited to get in touch with you at that website,
Project New Hope m A all one word lowercase dot
org or if people would like to support you. You
certainly are not going to turn away people who want
to financially support you. I certainly get that and respect that,
(35:51):
and thank you for everything that you've done on behalf
of Veterance.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Thank you, sir, I appreciate it, Sir, Thank you very kindly.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Okay, Bill Moore, who's exactly direct and chair the board
of Project New Hope. When we get back, we're going
to be talking about a new president, the forty seventh
president of the United States. Many people thought this would
not be decided, maybe until Friday or Saturday. Well, it
was done this morning. For around five am. Most of
us were asleep at least I was woke up to
(36:20):
find out that, yeah, what it appeared the direction that
Donald Trump was heading in. And we're going to talk
with Dave.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Paley Logus about that and going to get your reaction.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I'm surprised, as anyone, I will admit, I'm stunned that
Donald Trump was able to complete this return to office.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
We'll talk about that coming back on night side
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