November 11, 2024 • 38 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
Justine Segal – Co-Founder of Women’s Pro Baseball League and Founder of Baseball For All discussed a new women’s professional baseball league set to debut in 2026.
Wayne Soras on "Silent Dignity" – A 6 Part Docuseries Raising up Veteran Voices to tell their stories to promote healing.
Abdu Murray – Attorney shares the pros, cons, morality and pitfalls of AI.
Kate Gilbert - Executive Director of Boston Public Art Triennial on the coming to the city in May 2025 and what it means for residents, tourists, artists, businesses, and the community at large.
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Justine Segal – Co-Founder of Women’s Pro Baseball League and Founder of Baseball For All discussed a new women’s professional baseball league set to debut in 2026.
Wayne Soras on "Silent Dignity" – A 6 Part Docuseries Raising up Veteran Voices to tell their stories to promote healing.
Abdu Murray – Attorney shares the pros, cons, morality and pitfalls of AI.
Kate Gilbert - Executive Director of Boston Public Art Triennial on the coming to the city in May 2025 and what it means for residents, tourists, artists, businesses, and the community at large.
Ask Alexa to play WBZ NewsRadio on #iHeartRadio and listen to NightSide with Dan Rea Weeknights From 8PM-12AM!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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from eight until midnight. Rob Brooks, our producer, is back
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in the control room set to take your calls beginning
after nine o'clock, and we have four guests lined up
this hour on various and sundry topics. Some of them
are newsworthy, some of them are of interest, and some
of them are informative. It's a polpery sort of an
an eclectic mix, if you will, and that's what we
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offer here from eight until nine and have been doing
that for about a year and a half and it's
worked out pretty well. A lot of different groups and
organizations have got a little bit of airtime. They're not
necessarily topics that we generated an hour's worth of discussion.
We saved those for the nine to ten and the eleven,
and tonight we will be talking about the teacher strikes
that are going on in three communities here in Massachusetts.
(01:16):
That's our great news for kids and great great news
for their parents, no doubt, I'm sure that there are
people of those communities Beverly, Marblehead and Gloucester who are upset.
Maybe some of them don't want to say anything because
they're afraid that it might impact their child's grades. I
just think it's unfortunate that these sort of strikes occurred
during the school year. I don't see why they copy
resolved during the summer with arbitration and necessary binding arbitration strikes.
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Teacher strikes were illegal here in Massachusetts anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
But we'll get to we'll get to all of that
stuff later.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We're going to start off with a really fun topic,
literally a fun topic.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Going to talk with Justine Sigal.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Justin just five ways I can pronounce your last name,
So give me the correct pronununciation if I haven't done
it correctly.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It's a seagull, SEAgel.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Okay, that's fine, Okay, she is the co founder of
the Women's Pro Baseball League and founder of Baseball for All. Well,
welcome to Night's side. This is exciting news. Apparently by
the year twenty twenty six, you hope to have a
professional women's baseball league in action.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Tell us about it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, we're very excited to launch and as you said,
twenty twenty six will be the inaugural season and good
news for Boston fans as we plan to be in
the Northeast and we're still choosing where, but you know,
we'll almost see in your neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Do you know where or no, I mean, have you
have you you know, picked the locations.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
We're still determining which locations would be best.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, okay, so I'm assuming that even if you're in Boston,
you're probably not going to be sharing Way Park with
the Red Sox, that there'll be another location of some
sort where people can will be able to find you.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, absolutely, we plan to be in smaller stadiums, about
twenty five hundred to five thousand.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You know, hey, you have there's several of those those
ballparks in the greater Boston area. And when you say
the Northeast, can you leave, at least give us a
description of the Northeast. Most of us will live in Boston, Justine,
we think the Northeast is basically all within Route one
twenty eight. But you probably have a more expanded view
of the Northeast than those of us in Boston.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Half correct.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
No, No, I used to work at Sport and Society
at Northeastern, so about the world.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Ends after that, we'd have absolutely no way.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No, I'm only teasing.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So, so you're talking about maybe a couple of teams
in New England, and maybe a couple of teams and
other Northeastern environments that are baseball centric. Oh, I think
maybe New York, Philadelphia communities like that.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
We will see, but I can tell you that for
the first year, we'll be moving by bus. Okay, so
that's important to us.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And yeah, necessary, I know I can understand that. Okay,
So let me ask us. You know a lot more
about women's baseball, and you may know a lot more
about baseball than me, although I got a pretty good
knowledge of baseball. I remember when Cores had a women's
team that toured back in the mid nineties. They actually
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played at Faenway Park. They were called the Silver Bullets.
You're probably too young to remember them. Do you have
any knowledge of them?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I went to spring training with the Silver Bullets, so
they I went down to the Red Sox spring training
facility and played there.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Unfortunately I hurt my arms, so I didn't make the team.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
We've all hurt our arms at some point. Trust man,
it was a picture tree, so I know exactly what
you mean. Anyway, I think Phil Nekro was the manager,
if I'm not mistaken. What Maybe it was Phil, Maybe
it was Joe Negro, It's one of the Negroes.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
It was Phil and Joe, both of them.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Okay, they were both there, absolutely, Okay, now correct me
if I'm wrong. Did they play women's teams or were
they playing? They were they were playing some men's teams.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I thought as well, Yeah, the Silver Bullets they played
men's teams. And so what makes you know the women's
professional baseball leagues so exceptional is that we're going to
have a women's BASEBA league of our own. And it's
been seventy years since all the All American Girls Professional
Baseball League, So seventy years is a big drought.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
No, I think it ready to come. I think it
is great.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And for those who do not understand this, I watched
some of the Silver Bullets pitchers and they could they could,
they could get it up there. They they had something
on the ball. This is not slow pitch baseball. Trust
me on that, folks.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's uh uh. You know, I'm asuming these pitchers were thrown.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Somewhere in the high seventies, low eighties, or am I
over over remembering.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
As we say, No, that's correct, low eighties, seventies, yeah,
mid eighties.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And anybody thinks that's slow, try hitting something like that,
you know, particularly if the ball's move And where will
you find your players?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I do know a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I looked at your background a little bit, and I
know that you have been You were a coach at
one point with the Oakland A's and you actually were
the first women to throw spring training batting practice.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
To the Cleveland Indians.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And anyone who's thrown batting practice has to know that
you've got to be pretty agile to throw the ball,
get it where you want to get it to, and
then duck behind the screen.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Well, we're at the players. I mean, they're going to
be mostly US players, but we're also looking internationally. We
have a women's national team through USA Baseball, so we
already know who the top twenty players in the country are.
But we have five hundred at least five hundred players
and our player pooro, you know, wanting information on how
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to try out. So uh, you know, it's we're going
to start to the amazing talent, some that we knew
of and some that's going to be brand new.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So here's my question.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Are there any colleges or high schools that have girls
baseball teams? My daughter played softball in high school, but
are there any you know, girls, Where do you find players?
Because obviously, in order to develop a skill, you got
to play against other people. So where where are these
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players coming from?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Most of the girls who play baseball they play with
the boys. They did, okay, thousands of girls playing baseball
at the boys across the country. You even have a
girls program in Boston called the Boston Slammers. And therefore
all ages and we have eight women are playing at
college level with the men, and about two thousand girls
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playing high school baseball. And that's just here in the US.
And you're talking in Japan and Mexico and so on.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
So, yeah, they play with the boys, but the dreams
to play with the you know, with the girls and
play with the women and have a pro league.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So how long is schedule? The first season, the inaugural
season twenty twenty six? Are you talking.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
About sixty games? I mean, you're not talking about one
hundred and sixty two games. I'm assuming.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
No, we're starting off with a summer league, so you're
looking at more forty games to summer. They can also
capture the college athlete as well.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, excellent.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So if anyone has an interest in either trying out
or getting more information, either as a fan or whatever,
is there a website we can direct people to.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah? Absolutely, Women's Pro Baseball League dot com?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Perfect, Women's no apostrophe or is there an apostrophe in
their pro baseball free?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Women's Probaseball League dot com?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Perfect?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Okay, Well, Justine, best of luck. I'm looking forward to
watching you play two summers from now, and I think
it's great. I really do think it's great. I love
watching college women's college softball, and I mean they do
amazing things with that ball underhand and at fifty two
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feet or whatever the mound is that ball moves around,
and I'm sure you gotta have some real interesting games,
and we'll keep we'll keep you posted, or you keep
us posting, and I'd love to have you back, and
maybe we'll have you back some night and take some
phone calls from listeners because I think baseball is still
America's pastime.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It's great that women are getting involved in it at
this level. It's going to be fabulous. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
All right, Justine Siegel, co founder of the Women's Pro
Baseball League.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
When we come back, we're going to talk with a
movie producer about a film called Silent Dignity, six part
docuseries raising up veterans' voices to tell their stories to
promote healing. And of course we could not have picked
a better night. This is Veteran's Day and so this
is Veterans Day night, and we'll be talking with the
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producer of that film, who also I believe appears in it.
Right after this break here on Nightside. Now back to
Dan ray Line from the Window World.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Night Side Studios on wb Z to news Radio.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I want to welcome to the program, Wayne Sores. Wayne
is a producer. He's also an actor. From Western Massachusetts
and he is putting together a docuseriies raising up veterans'
voices to tell their stories to promote healing. The docuseries
is called Silent Dignity. Wayne, Welcome to Nightside. How are you, sir?
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I'm doing very well, Dan, Thank you so much for
having me on the program.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Well, thank you for the enthusiasm in your voice. I
love enthusiastic guests. Tell us about the idea and the
series and how it has come to be and it
is still a work in progress as if I if I'm.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Correct, Yes, it's still I created this about started storyboarding
about two about two years ago and had an opportunity
to bring on somebody that I did some film work
with armand De Sante and they award winning, Golden Globe
winning actor and he was just embraced it tremendously and
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has equally the passion that I have. And what we
did in episode one, Dan was we we this is
about our Vietnam veterans and really kind of welcoming them home.
They never got the appropriate you know, parade, or they
came home to scorn and ridicule, and so what we've
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tried to do is show the the bring out the
emotion of what the men and women that served in Vietnam,
what they went through. And and in our second episode
right now that we're in the midst of we really
want to bring awareness to PTSD. Uh, it's horrible, horrible, horrible,
as well as Agent Orange and the effects that it
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had on our Vietnam veterans.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So took a lot of lives.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
They used to call it in World War Two shell
shock exactly. It's got the PTSD characterization. So is this
it's going to be as I understand that the plan
is to be a six part series documentary correct.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Yes, correct, yep, documentary series.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And is it focused on the Vietnam era veterans?
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yes, okay, yes, we wanted from from We're going to
be doing stuff on the service dogs that went over there.
People don't realize that almost four thousand dogs went over
during during the Vietnam Era and very very very few
came home. I believe about four hundred dogs came home.
(12:52):
We want to do a combat nurses, which were which
were just a huge part of anybody that got the wounded,
the donut dollies. We've got to We've got a segment
on them. They were the people, the women that reached
their their lives, going around to make soldiers lives better
with just their enthusiasm and and making them fee relaxed.
(13:15):
So we've we've got a kind of a potfolry of
things that were were going to be including in this series.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Now the service dogs that everyone is interested in service dogs.
My understanding is that they were often used going down
what was called spider holes. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Exactly that's exactly right. You know, obviously they had the
tunnel rats, but the dogs, the dogs were were fearless,
and uh, the the enemy in Vietnam was was was
really really afraid of them. And when the dog was
was was killed, they gave them a burial exactly like
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they were a soldier, which which I think is really
a testament to the to the courage, you know, the
of the dogs that were over there.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Wow, what was the genesis of this? How did this
idea come to you? And how did it? Is this
something you've thought about for a while or something that
has been of just reason?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Well it wasn't, I think dn we all have those.
But my my grandfather was my idol was no longer
with US. He was in World War Two Navy, UH
veteran in the CDs. And when I started to to
look at different things, I kicked myself because I think
we all do it to cheese. I should have I
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should have asked my grandfather. I should have asked, you know,
my my uncle, you know what it was like? And
he never really talked about it. That was the that generation,
the greatest generation. They never they never talked about it.
But once in a while when he when he got
a few pops in him, he would open up just
a little bit, but not much. And I think that
was that was really the trademark of of the men
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and women that that did serve in that. But I
I love the storyboard. I'm a writer. I have a
syndicated column that goes out to any outlets around the
country called Veterans Spotlight. So I just wanted to really
kind of build on that. And I was sitting home here,
I watch a lot of video on Bob Hope, and
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I thought that there might be something that I could,
you know, compile and and put together in my first
series that I did you.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Talk about you talking about Bob Hope with the USO
Tours of Vietnam, Bob Hope andt I Margret.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Yes, oh yes, yes, yes, Rockel Welch and then you
know just litany of people that he took and I
just became just so the focused and and I couldn't
ensconced in trying to make something that that we could
really use to help not showcases a bad word, but
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kind of give tribute to to our to our veterans.
It started with our World War two vets, and then
I just came up with the idea that we should
do something for our via non dettors, because if you
look at every part of our history, excuse me, Vietnam
vennorans really get they got absolutely nothing when when they
came home, and they really got the short end of
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the stick.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Now, minunderstanding is that there's a way. Do you have
some trailers that people can start to look at or
what how how can people get a sense of uh,
you know what this will eventually become. And minderstanding is
that you're hoping that it's going to be available on
one of the cable network channels. I'm sure that you
probably are talking to cable network channels about this.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yes, yes, we actually have a studio that's I'm not
at liberty to say right now, but they're very interested there.
They do a lot of inspirational films and movies and
documentaries and this would fit this, This is a perfect
fit for their puzzle. But you can go to our
website and you can see clips and trailers Silentdignity dot Us,
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Silent Dignity dot Us and that's some great piece that
Armand does. A does a beautiful, beautiful introduction, and in
episode two we really have some very very powerful, powerful
interviews and I think that that people will this is
very educational, excuse me, very educational. It's extremely informative, but
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most of all, it's very patriotic. Where this is not
an anti military nothing of that sort. We just want
to be able to go ahead and give the welcome
home that our Vietnam veterans truly deserve.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Well, the Vietnam veterans or men and women who are
now well into their seventies or all in their seventies.
I mean, when you do the math, it's pretty simple.
And just as there's only a handful of World War
Two veterans who are still alive, I think that numbers
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down to like below five hundred Korean War veterans are
also of you know, sort of a middle generation there.
But when you think about, you know, Vietnam veterans, you
would have some that you know, could be as old
as eighty, but a lot of them are going to
be in their mid seventies, and you know, this is
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this is the time to give them the respect and
the welcome home that they never received. So the website
again is Silentdignity dot us and some of the final
cuts that you know, one at least one part is there.
These are not long presentations. I think the other day
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you told me twenty eight twenty nine minutes.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Exactly, yep, exactly. It's it's the short documentary. But again
we compile, you know everything, We just look to make
this a series. And along the lines, you and you
talk about World War two vets. A good friend of mine,
if I could just give a shout out, he was
a one hundred and two years he's one hundred and
two years old. I spend just about every Saturday with him.
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I've spent a lot of holidays with him. My buddy,
Chizo Masaconi. He lives in Cheshire, Massachusetts. He's one hundred
and two he was at Pearl Harbor. He's an army
veteran Pearl Harbor. After the attack, they came in four
months later, and then he was at the Battle of Saipan,
and then he spent eight months on Iwo Jima. He's
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one hundred and two years old and still his faculties.
The only thing going on is his knees, and he's
too old for a knee transplant, but loves to have
an occasional glass of wine and great spirits and a big,
big baseball fan.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So his first name again is what.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Is Cheezo h ee as in sam Oh, it's it's destrord,
abbreviated for at Narciso, which is Narciso in Italian? Is Charlie?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
All right, Cheezo?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Well, happy one hundred and two, Chiezo, and hopefully there's
many more to come. I really love the interview of
your enthusiasm, Wayne. I know it's going to be a success.
Please keep in touch with us and if we can
do anything along the way, you know, periodically as you're
making some news here and getting some breaks. I think
this is a perfect a lot of these uh you
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know series, these these cable networks, they need good, positive presentations.
And I think that the Vietnam era veterans certainly did,
as you said, get the short end of the stick.
And now it's time to at least acknowledge. They might
not have been involved in a popular war, but but
they went and they served, and it's something that we
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now appreciate as a society much more than perhaps we
did back in the day.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Thanks so much, thank you, thank you for saying that.
I'd like to really quickly say thank you to armand
Decante and the guy that put us together. Are a
good town, Mark Lund so good.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I once worked with Mark, or I should say I
worked for Mark, so it's a great friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And he spoke very.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Highly of you, and and you you fulfill all of
my expectations. Thanks for your passion on this. You were
destined for success. With this great success. Thank you waye
appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Thank you so much. Thank you, Daan, my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
We come back on to talk about artificial intelligence with
a fellow named Abdu Murray. It is the pros, the cons,
the morality and the pitfalls of artificial intelligence. We will
cover it all right after this break on night Side.
It's coming up a little bit after. This's eight thirty two.
We're a little late for the news, but that's okay.
It's Veterans Day. My name is Dan Ray. You're listening
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back right after the news with more conversation.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well, in the next few years, all of us are
going to learn a lot about artificial intelligence. With me
is Abdul Murray. I'm not sure if abdou if this
is a website. It's called Embrace the Truth. First of all,
I want you to explain to me what Embrace the
Truth is, and then let's talk about the pros, the
cons and the morality and pitfalls of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Welcome to Knightside, amdu oh Dan.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
It's great to be with you. Thanks for having me on,
and so Embrace The Truth is that organization that I
founded twenty years ago, and it is actually the website
as well. It's embraced the truth dot org. And what
we're basically about and what I do is I'm a
lawyer by training. I went to law school with a
commercial litigator, complex business litigation, that kind of stuff. But
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I speak about Christian worldview in light of contemporary culture
and big issues like artificial intelligence, like morality, like all
these kind of things from a Christian perspective. And I
speak in university and kind of ps second places. So
you're just trying to see the intersection of faith and culture,
and of course a I on everyone's mind, so that's
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what is on my mind as well.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Okay, So so you come to it not only with
the legal background. I'm a lawyer as well, uh, from
a legal background, but also.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, no, no, no, there's nothing wrong with that. It's
been it's been very good. No.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I've enjoyed, uh it both as a practicing attorney and
elsewhere as an investigative journalist for for many years, uh,
in television.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So you have a faith perspective as well.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Many people think that lawyers don't have any we don't
have a great reverydation, but many of us do.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Uh, and I would be in that category with you.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
So now so, so the the presentation is the pros,
the cons, the morality and the pitfalls of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I don't think I.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Understand artifical I think I have a basic understanding of it.
But I don't think I understand artificial intelligence to even
understand pros, cons, morality and pitfalls other than my question
has always been how are teachers and college professors going
to figure out whether that essay or that term paper
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or that thesis was actually written or ripped off by
a college student or a grad student. But tell me,
in probably a more more sophisticated language that I could
produce what we need to be concerned about.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Well, the first thing we need to do is make
sure we define our terms, because oftentimes we think of
artificial intelligence. Many researchers will tell you that the term
is so broad that it's almost useless now because when
we think of artificial intelligence in the sci fi world,
we think of the terminator, or we think of the
machine like in the matrix, that are coming to get
us and pick over the world because they have like
a human level artificial intelligence, and the reality is is
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that's what's called artificial general intelligence, and that's a goal
for a lot of researchers and developers, but.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
We're hoping they never reached that goal. By the way,
as far as I desire to stay that.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Abdu Well, that's one of the pitfalls is that there's
a thing called the value problem. And one of the
things in the value problem is that if you create
something that has human level intelligence or even greater, and
then it has it's called a recursive improvement cycle, where
it just keeps getting better at getting better, it will
eventually past us at a bunch of different tasks. So
a lot of researchers are asking the question. The question
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they're asking is if something achieves or we achieve some
kind of human level intelligence for this thing that doesn't
have the same concerns we have, who's to say that
its objectives will line up with with morality, with human morality?
Who's to say that? And sip with well, no one's
to say that, because it might come up with its
own idea.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And then of course you get into the philosophical argument
of what is morality and what is human morality?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And how is it expressed.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Yeah, and so this comes to me, This comes back
down to from my faith perspective, and I think there's
also a philosophical thing in respective of my particular faith preference.
But when it comes down to this to me is
I think morality is an objective thing. We don't know
it objectively. So there's a difference between morality's existence and
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our ability to detect its existence, much like light. You know,
my eyes can't see ultraviolet light or infra red light.
That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means that
I can't see it just yet. But objectively it exists.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Well you get that, you know, you get to the
what I would consider it be the oxy moronic term
of relative morality.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Right, exactly right. And so relative morality is is oxymoronic,
exactly right, because you can't have a relative morality. It's
like you can't have a subjective objectivism. It's something subjective
or it's objective. Well, morality is, I believe objective. And
I think that actually makes sense on a worldview that's
based in faith, based in faith on God, because if
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God is a personal being and morality is a personal
kind of a thing, and morality is transcendent. So for example,
it's always wrong to torture babies for fun, no matter
what your culture is or your religion is, it's always wrong,
even if it's.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
It's always wrong to torture kittens or puppies as right,
I mean, is all I mean really should agree.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
On that, right, But it's true, and it's it's logically true.
It's based on an objective source and a transcendent source,
and a transcendent, objective personal source is exactly how we
define God. So that's why I think that that's important.
Why that factors into the AI conversation though, for me,
is that if you have something artificial and then you
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start to suggest that maybe it's morality is just as
valid as human morality, well then what happens is you're
saying that morality becomes artificial, and so you're run into
these problems, Like you said, cheating on tests or plagiarizing
people's art or plays, writing people's work becomes more of
a convenience issues and a morality issue.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yea, it becomes almost what can what can I get
away with? How can I do this so I don't
have to write that term paper, but I can reduce
a term paper which the high school teacher or the
college professor won't be able to distinguish.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Right, And and so some people are trying to trying
to develop artificial intelligence that can detect artificial intelligence at work,
like you know, cheating on papers and that kind of stuff.
There's plenty of upsides. I mean, there's a lot of
upsides in terms of medical diagnoses and different breakthroughs with
ADHD and these kind of things. But so here's the thing, Dan,
is that I think I'm quoting somebody else who said
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this that the issue is not with the with the
software itself is and what will we do with it?
Because the way he put it was human stupidity is
worse than artificial intelligence because we will do bad things
with these weapons. In one sense, well, we can do
great things with it. So really it's for me, it's
an issue of a heart check, it's a soul check.
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What are we going to do with this thing? Can
we limit its development? Can we limit its uses? And
I think that's important for us to understand from a
moral standpoint, do how.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Can folks get more information on your website? Because we've
only scratched the surface of this argument, which is you know,
it's almost mathematical and philosophical and historical.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, so they can go to yeah, so thanks dam
they can go to Embrace the truths all one word
dot o RG, lots of articles, lots of videos. I'm
writing a book on it. Actually, as we have we speak,
I'm writing a book on it that comes out next
year on artificial intelligence and various different ideas when it
comes to faith issues, but also just morality issues. So
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look again, look out for that. But Embrace the Truth
dot org.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Well, it's interesting just looking at your bio for folks
who may not know you. You have the You have
a BA in psychology from the University of Michigan, a
great school and at Arbor, and also a jd from
the University of Michigan Law schoo on Boston University Law School. Guy,
so you're you're a Michigander. So we're not going to
hold that against job. Thank you so much. And I'm
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hoping that people go to Embrace the Truth dot org
because what you're saying I'm picking up on and I
hope some others.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Are as well. Okay, really good conversation, Thank you sir.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Thanks good, all right, talking again.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
We'll get back going to talk about the Boston Public
Art Triennial coming to the city of Boston next to May,
what it means for residence, tourists, artists, businesses, and the
community at large. Is going to be talking about Kate Gilbert,
who is the executive director of the Boston Public Art Triennial.
We'll get to that right after this quick break on Nightside.
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
(30:45):
Nightside Studios.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well, about six months from now or so in May
of twenty twenty five, which to one wave sounds like
it's a long way off, but it's only six months.
We just have to get through the rest of fall,
wintering into the spring. The Boston Public Art Triennial. Well,
we're coming to the city of Boston and with us
as Kate Gilbert. Uh is it Gilbert or Gilbert?
Speaker 6 (31:08):
I like Gilbert, but it is Gilbert, whatever you'd like.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, okay, we'll make you very French Canadian at this moment.
The Boston Public Art Triennial. First of all, I was
not familiar with the Boston Public Art Triennial. The Triennial,
I assume, means three hundred years.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
It means every three years every three years, because yeah, yeah,
that's that's it's it's art speak for every three years.
So this organization has been around for about nine years.
Previously is now and there, So maybe it's that.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Bephore previously was what called now and there?
Speaker 6 (31:47):
It is called now and there.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
They're okay, well that's why probably now I see it. Okay,
Boston Public Triennial. So tell us about this. This is
a big deal.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Uh, it's all is going to be spread throughout the city,
as I understand it.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Uh, and is this the biggest since since this is
the ninth year, I'm guessing this is the fourth triennial,
So we're entering.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
The organization is entering its tenth year, and in celebration
of that, we're putting on our first triennial.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Ye first, even more confused? Okay, all right, so this
is the first, which means that going forward, you're.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Going to do this every three years.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Correct, So twenty second it will open and then we'll
look again for twenty twenty eight, twenty thirty one and beyond.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
So the boss, so tell us tell us about it.
What what should people look to?
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And then I want to make sure at the end
we talk about how people can get in touch with
you and get a lot more information than we can
candense in about five minutes we have left.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Tell us, tell us what's the great?
Speaker 6 (32:51):
So so, someone recently called a triennial the super Bowl
of the art world. So for your listeners who aren't
quite you know that up to spe with can temporary art.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Maybe maybe.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Then it's talking about y okay. We are bringing in
local artists and international artists to really sort of show
their show, their show, their expertise. We're going to have sculptures.
It's all temporary, so you really need to come. You
need to be here between May twenty second and October
thirty first and it closes. Go these sculptures that are
made of hammered metal. We've got some things that are woven,
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something made out of bronze. We've got light neon signs,
even things like trees and nature that you might see
differently because of these artists coming in to really highlight
everything we have here in Boston. Each artist is paired
with a local expert, so these are experts in social
social movements, science, medicine, sound, and we're really showcasing Boston's neighborhoods.
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You know, we are a city of neighborhoods and we're
going to take that as a strength in this triennial.
And my hope is that audiences will come to eighteen
different locations we're in Charlestown or downtown, or in East
Boston or in Dorchester, Mattapan, Roxbury and really get a
new and sort of unique flavor of Boston.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Well we have, I forget how you want to cut
them off and everything, but there's about seventeen eighteen neighborhoods.
I mean, you know, you have on one end, You've
got Hyde Park in Reinville where I grew up. On
the other end again East Boston and Charlestown, and now
you get the seaport, they'll be all over and so
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will it be moving. So the different communities will will
a you know, an artist plant whatever they're doing in
one section. And you said it's going to be there
from the twenty second of May until October thirty first,
by I mean the Red Sox will still be playing
in the World Series by October thirty first.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
That's a long season. I know, I'm a bit of
an optimist, but you're talking out there nearly half a year.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So the the works of art move around. I assume
they'll be stationar. I mean people have to count with
the works.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
Of art exactly. Most of the works will be will
be static. There'll be a couple of projects where people
can participate in printmaking, and those will be all around
the city, almost like a scavenger hunt. You have to go,
you know, try and find them. But for the most part,
eighteen projects in locations throughout the city. The museums are
also participating, So that's another four or five locations where
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you can expect free always free. You don't need a ticket,
public art outside for people to engage with, you know,
be inspired by question, you know, all the things that
art makes you.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I'm interested in the printmaking. You're not talking about US currency.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I assume, Oh wouldn't that be nice?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Oh would be no?
Speaker 6 (35:49):
No, no, Now, we're we're going to be encouraging people
to make statements and you know, posters that are really
important to them and their identity.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Is there anything like this in any other city or
how did this idea this cont come to mind?
Speaker 6 (36:06):
So there are a couple other cities that are doing
these prospects. Is the name of one in New Orleans?
And Counter Republic in Saint Louis. This is the only
triennial of public art of its kind in the East Coast.
So this is really a first for Boston, and I
think Boston is absolutely positioned to do something like this.
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We have such you know, great tourism coming in, but
we also have such great audiences locally that want to
participate in contemporary art.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
This is great, This is great, And I assume that
you have been involved in this for some time. This
is not something that has.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Well, Dan, I started this. You can blame me a
long time ago. I was thank you a long time ago.
I was part of the Greenway Conservancy in the first
ten people that helped bring the Greenway to life and
the art there. And I love the Greenway. I'm a
neighbor and I just want to see more of that
throughout the city. So this first tri anial, people can
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expect eighteen projects in those neighborhoods I mentioned. The next
one will hit other neighborhoods, and as we go through this,
we want to be in every one of Boston's amazing neighborhoods,
bringing in tourism, supporting locals and just you know, having
a moment of wonder. I think so many of us
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are walking around I'm guilty of this, looking at our phones,
looking at the ground, not connecting with each other. And
in these times, just a great to come together and
have to celebrate.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Thank you very much, Kate Gilbert or Kate Gilbert, whichever
you would prefer, the executive director of the Boston Public
Art Triennial. I suspect that we'll have another opportunity to
speak about this as we get a little closer to
the actual opening in May of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
So thanks a love, thank you, And.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
It gives people the chance to focus a little bit,
maybe make sure that they'll becoming a Boston in some
form of fashion.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Many times.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Yeah, get out your walking shoes. The Triennial dot org.
Thanks yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
So the website is simply Boston Triennial dot org.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Is that what you said, It's simply the the Triennial
t r I E N N I A L dot org.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Perfect, Kate, Thank you so much, appreciate a lot.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Thank you again, Take care, good night.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
When we get back, we are going to talk about
what's going on in three communities that will have no
school tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
And this is not snow alert or anything.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
This is the teachers have decided to walk the picket
line up in Beverly and Gloucester and Marblehead. We will
talk about it particularly, I'd love to hear from parents
in those communities. Causes some inconvenience, but we'll see what
we'll talk about it. Illegal strikes in three Boston communities
coming back right after the nine
It's Nightside with Damn Ray on WVST Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Cor I couldn't agree with you more. I don't need
sports wait got Damn Ray.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Look, if you want to watch sports recall, all they
have to do is just watch it on TV. If
they want, then turn the audio down and they can
multitask and listen to Nightside all of our interesting program
and good evening. Everybody, welcome on into it. Monday night
we start another week of Nightside. We will take you
all the way almost a Saturday morning, every Monday night
from eight until midnight. Rob Brooks, our producer, is back
(00:33):
in the control room set to take your calls beginning
after nine o'clock, and we have four guests lined up
this hour on various and sundry topics. Some of them
are newsworthy, some of them are of interest, and some
of them are informative. It's a polpery sort of an
an eclectic mix, if you will, and that's what we
(00:54):
offer here from eight until nine and have been doing
that for about a year and a half and it's
worked out pretty well. A lot of different groups and
organizations have got a little bit of airtime. They're not
necessarily topics that we generated an hour's worth of discussion.
We saved those for the nine to ten and the eleven,
and tonight we will be talking about the teacher strikes
that are going on in three communities here in Massachusetts.
(01:16):
That's our great news for kids and great great news
for their parents, no doubt, I'm sure that there are
people of those communities Beverly, Marblehead and Gloucester who are upset.
Maybe some of them don't want to say anything because
they're afraid that it might impact their child's grades. I
just think it's unfortunate that these sort of strikes occurred
during the school year. I don't see why they copy
resolved during the summer with arbitration and necessary binding arbitration strikes.
(01:41):
Teacher strikes were illegal here in Massachusetts anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
But we'll get to we'll get to all of that
stuff later.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We're going to start off with a really fun topic,
literally a fun topic.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Going to talk with Justine Sigal.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Justin just five ways I can pronounce your last name,
So give me the correct pronununciation if I haven't done
it correctly.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
It's a seagull, SEAgel.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Okay, that's fine, Okay, she is the co founder of
the Women's Pro Baseball League and founder of Baseball for All. Well,
welcome to Night's side. This is exciting news. Apparently by
the year twenty twenty six, you hope to have a
professional women's baseball league in action.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Tell us about it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, we're very excited to launch and as you said,
twenty twenty six will be the inaugural season and good
news for Boston fans as we plan to be in
the Northeast and we're still choosing where, but you know,
we'll almost see in your neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Do you know where or no, I mean, have you
have you you know, picked the locations.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
We're still determining which locations would be best.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, okay, so I'm assuming that even if you're in Boston,
you're probably not going to be sharing Way Park with
the Red Sox, that there'll be another location of some
sort where people can will be able to find you.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, absolutely, we plan to be in smaller stadiums, about
twenty five hundred to five thousand.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You know, hey, you have there's several of those those
ballparks in the greater Boston area. And when you say
the Northeast, can you leave, at least give us a
description of the Northeast. Most of us will live in Boston, Justine,
we think the Northeast is basically all within Route one
twenty eight. But you probably have a more expanded view
of the Northeast than those of us in Boston.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Half correct.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
No, No, I used to work at Sport and Society
at Northeastern, so about the world.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Ends after that, we'd have absolutely no way.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No, I'm only teasing.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So, so you're talking about maybe a couple of teams
in New England, and maybe a couple of teams and
other Northeastern environments that are baseball centric. Oh, I think
maybe New York, Philadelphia communities like that.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
We will see, but I can tell you that for
the first year, we'll be moving by bus. Okay, so
that's important to us.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And yeah, necessary, I know I can understand that. Okay,
So let me ask us. You know a lot more
about women's baseball, and you may know a lot more
about baseball than me, although I got a pretty good
knowledge of baseball. I remember when Cores had a women's
team that toured back in the mid nineties. They actually
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played at Faenway Park. They were called the Silver Bullets.
You're probably too young to remember them. Do you have
any knowledge of them?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I went to spring training with the Silver Bullets, so
they I went down to the Red Sox spring training
facility and played there.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Unfortunately I hurt my arms, so I didn't make the team.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
We've all hurt our arms at some point. Trust man,
it was a picture tree, so I know exactly what
you mean. Anyway, I think Phil Nekro was the manager,
if I'm not mistaken. What Maybe it was Phil, Maybe
it was Joe Negro, It's one of the Negroes.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
It was Phil and Joe, both of them.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Okay, they were both there, absolutely, Okay, now correct me
if I'm wrong. Did they play women's teams or were
they playing? They were they were playing some men's teams.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I thought as well, Yeah, the Silver Bullets they played
men's teams. And so what makes you know the women's
professional baseball leagues so exceptional is that we're going to
have a women's BASEBA league of our own. And it's
been seventy years since all the All American Girls Professional
Baseball League, So seventy years is a big drought.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
No, I think it ready to come. I think it
is great.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And for those who do not understand this, I watched
some of the Silver Bullets pitchers and they could they could,
they could get it up there. They they had something
on the ball. This is not slow pitch baseball. Trust
me on that, folks.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's uh uh. You know, I'm asuming these pitchers were thrown.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Somewhere in the high seventies, low eighties, or am I
over over remembering.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
As we say, No, that's correct, low eighties, seventies, yeah,
mid eighties.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And anybody thinks that's slow, try hitting something like that,
you know, particularly if the ball's move And where will
you find your players?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I do know a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I looked at your background a little bit, and I
know that you have been You were a coach at
one point with the Oakland A's and you actually were
the first women to throw spring training batting practice.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
To the Cleveland Indians.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And anyone who's thrown batting practice has to know that
you've got to be pretty agile to throw the ball,
get it where you want to get it to, and
then duck behind the screen.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Well, we're at the players. I mean, they're going to
be mostly US players, but we're also looking internationally. We
have a women's national team through USA Baseball, so we
already know who the top twenty players in the country are.
But we have five hundred at least five hundred players
and our player pooro, you know, wanting information on how
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to try out. So uh, you know, it's we're going
to start to the amazing talent, some that we knew
of and some that's going to be brand new.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So here's my question.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Are there any colleges or high schools that have girls
baseball teams? My daughter played softball in high school, but
are there any you know, girls, Where do you find players?
Because obviously, in order to develop a skill, you got
to play against other people. So where where are these
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players coming from?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Most of the girls who play baseball they play with
the boys. They did, okay, thousands of girls playing baseball
at the boys across the country. You even have a
girls program in Boston called the Boston Slammers. And therefore
all ages and we have eight women are playing at
college level with the men, and about two thousand girls
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playing high school baseball. And that's just here in the US.
And you're talking in Japan and Mexico and so on.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's great.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
So, yeah, they play with the boys, but the dreams
to play with the you know, with the girls and
play with the women and have a pro league.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So how long is schedule? The first season, the inaugural
season twenty twenty six? Are you talking.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
About sixty games? I mean, you're not talking about one
hundred and sixty two games. I'm assuming.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
No, we're starting off with a summer league, so you're
looking at more forty games to summer. They can also
capture the college athlete as well.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, excellent.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So if anyone has an interest in either trying out
or getting more information, either as a fan or whatever,
is there a website we can direct people to.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah? Absolutely, Women's Pro Baseball League dot com?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Perfect, Women's no apostrophe or is there an apostrophe in
their pro baseball free?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Women's Probaseball League dot com?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Perfect?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Okay, Well, Justine, best of luck. I'm looking forward to
watching you play two summers from now, and I think
it's great. I really do think it's great. I love
watching college women's college softball, and I mean they do
amazing things with that ball underhand and at fifty two
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feet or whatever the mound is that ball moves around,
and I'm sure you gotta have some real interesting games,
and we'll keep we'll keep you posted, or you keep
us posting, and I'd love to have you back, and
maybe we'll have you back some night and take some
phone calls from listeners because I think baseball is still
America's pastime.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It's great that women are getting involved in it at
this level. It's going to be fabulous. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
All right, Justine Siegel, co founder of the Women's Pro
Baseball League.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
When we come back, we're going to talk with a
movie producer about a film called Silent Dignity, six part
docuseries raising up veterans' voices to tell their stories to
promote healing. And of course we could not have picked
a better night. This is Veteran's Day and so this
is Veterans Day night, and we'll be talking with the
(10:11):
producer of that film, who also I believe appears in it.
Right after this break here on Nightside. Now back to
Dan ray Line from the Window World.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Night Side Studios on wb Z to news Radio.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I want to welcome to the program, Wayne Sores. Wayne
is a producer. He's also an actor. From Western Massachusetts
and he is putting together a docuseriies raising up veterans'
voices to tell their stories to promote healing. The docuseries
is called Silent Dignity. Wayne, Welcome to Nightside. How are you, sir?
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I'm doing very well, Dan, Thank you so much for
having me on the program.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Well, thank you for the enthusiasm in your voice. I
love enthusiastic guests. Tell us about the idea and the
series and how it has come to be and it
is still a work in progress as if I if I'm.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Correct, Yes, it's still I created this about started storyboarding
about two about two years ago and had an opportunity
to bring on somebody that I did some film work
with armand De Sante and they award winning, Golden Globe
winning actor and he was just embraced it tremendously and
(11:20):
has equally the passion that I have. And what we
did in episode one, Dan was we we this is
about our Vietnam veterans and really kind of welcoming them home.
They never got the appropriate you know, parade, or they
came home to scorn and ridicule, and so what we've
(11:40):
tried to do is show the the bring out the
emotion of what the men and women that served in Vietnam,
what they went through. And and in our second episode
right now that we're in the midst of we really
want to bring awareness to PTSD. Uh, it's horrible, horrible, horrible,
as well as Agent Orange and the effects that it
(12:03):
had on our Vietnam veterans.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So took a lot of lives.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
They used to call it in World War Two shell
shock exactly. It's got the PTSD characterization. So is this
it's going to be as I understand that the plan
is to be a six part series documentary correct.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Yes, correct, yep, documentary series.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And is it focused on the Vietnam era veterans?
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yes, okay, yes, we wanted from from We're going to
be doing stuff on the service dogs that went over there.
People don't realize that almost four thousand dogs went over
during during the Vietnam Era and very very very few
came home. I believe about four hundred dogs came home.
(12:52):
We want to do a combat nurses, which were which
were just a huge part of anybody that got the wounded,
the donut dollies. We've got to We've got a segment
on them. They were the people, the women that reached
their their lives, going around to make soldiers lives better
with just their enthusiasm and and making them fee relaxed.
(13:15):
So we've we've got a kind of a potfolry of
things that were were going to be including in this series.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Now the service dogs that everyone is interested in service dogs.
My understanding is that they were often used going down
what was called spider holes. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Exactly that's exactly right. You know, obviously they had the
tunnel rats, but the dogs, the dogs were were fearless,
and uh, the the enemy in Vietnam was was was
really really afraid of them. And when the dog was
was was killed, they gave them a burial exactly like
(13:55):
they were a soldier, which which I think is really
a testament to the to the courage, you know, the
of the dogs that were over there.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Wow, what was the genesis of this? How did this
idea come to you? And how did it? Is this
something you've thought about for a while or something that
has been of just reason?
Speaker 5 (14:16):
Well it wasn't, I think dn we all have those.
But my my grandfather was my idol was no longer
with US. He was in World War Two Navy, UH
veteran in the CDs. And when I started to to
look at different things, I kicked myself because I think
we all do it to cheese. I should have I
(14:36):
should have asked my grandfather. I should have asked, you know,
my my uncle, you know what it was like? And
he never really talked about it. That was the that generation,
the greatest generation. They never they never talked about it.
But once in a while when he when he got
a few pops in him, he would open up just
a little bit, but not much. And I think that
was that was really the trademark of of the men
(14:57):
and women that that did serve in that. But I
I love the storyboard. I'm a writer. I have a
syndicated column that goes out to any outlets around the
country called Veterans Spotlight. So I just wanted to really
kind of build on that. And I was sitting home here,
I watch a lot of video on Bob Hope, and
(15:18):
I thought that there might be something that I could,
you know, compile and and put together in my first
series that I did you.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Talk about you talking about Bob Hope with the USO
Tours of Vietnam, Bob Hope andt I Margret.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Yes, oh yes, yes, yes, Rockel Welch and then you
know just litany of people that he took and I
just became just so the focused and and I couldn't
ensconced in trying to make something that that we could
really use to help not showcases a bad word, but
(15:53):
kind of give tribute to to our to our veterans.
It started with our World War two vets, and then
I just came up with the idea that we should
do something for our via non dettors, because if you
look at every part of our history, excuse me, Vietnam
vennorans really get they got absolutely nothing when when they
came home, and they really got the short end of
(16:13):
the stick.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Now, minunderstanding is that there's a way. Do you have
some trailers that people can start to look at or
what how how can people get a sense of uh,
you know what this will eventually become. And minderstanding is
that you're hoping that it's going to be available on
one of the cable network channels. I'm sure that you
probably are talking to cable network channels about this.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yes, yes, we actually have a studio that's I'm not
at liberty to say right now, but they're very interested there.
They do a lot of inspirational films and movies and
documentaries and this would fit this, This is a perfect
fit for their puzzle. But you can go to our
website and you can see clips and trailers Silentdignity dot Us,
(16:59):
Silent Dignity dot Us and that's some great piece that
Armand does. A does a beautiful, beautiful introduction, and in
episode two we really have some very very powerful, powerful
interviews and I think that that people will this is
very educational, excuse me, very educational. It's extremely informative, but
(17:21):
most of all, it's very patriotic. Where this is not
an anti military nothing of that sort. We just want
to be able to go ahead and give the welcome
home that our Vietnam veterans truly deserve.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Well, the Vietnam veterans or men and women who are
now well into their seventies or all in their seventies.
I mean, when you do the math, it's pretty simple.
And just as there's only a handful of World War
Two veterans who are still alive, I think that numbers
(17:56):
down to like below five hundred Korean War veterans are
also of you know, sort of a middle generation there.
But when you think about, you know, Vietnam veterans, you
would have some that you know, could be as old
as eighty, but a lot of them are going to
be in their mid seventies, and you know, this is
(18:17):
this is the time to give them the respect and
the welcome home that they never received. So the website
again is Silentdignity dot us and some of the final
cuts that you know, one at least one part is there.
These are not long presentations. I think the other day
(18:38):
you told me twenty eight twenty nine minutes.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Exactly, yep, exactly. It's it's the short documentary. But again
we compile, you know everything, We just look to make
this a series. And along the lines, you and you
talk about World War two vets. A good friend of mine,
if I could just give a shout out, he was
a one hundred and two years he's one hundred and
two years old. I spend just about every Saturday with him.
(19:03):
I've spent a lot of holidays with him. My buddy,
Chizo Masaconi. He lives in Cheshire, Massachusetts. He's one hundred
and two he was at Pearl Harbor. He's an army
veteran Pearl Harbor. After the attack, they came in four
months later, and then he was at the Battle of Saipan,
and then he spent eight months on Iwo Jima. He's
(19:24):
one hundred and two years old and still his faculties.
The only thing going on is his knees, and he's
too old for a knee transplant, but loves to have
an occasional glass of wine and great spirits and a big,
big baseball fan.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So his first name again is what.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Is Cheezo h ee as in sam Oh, it's it's destrord,
abbreviated for at Narciso, which is Narciso in Italian? Is Charlie?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
All right, Cheezo?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Well, happy one hundred and two, Chiezo, and hopefully there's
many more to come. I really love the interview of
your enthusiasm, Wayne. I know it's going to be a success.
Please keep in touch with us and if we can
do anything along the way, you know, periodically as you're
making some news here and getting some breaks. I think
this is a perfect a lot of these uh you
(20:14):
know series, these these cable networks, they need good, positive presentations.
And I think that the Vietnam era veterans certainly did,
as you said, get the short end of the stick.
And now it's time to at least acknowledge. They might
not have been involved in a popular war, but but
they went and they served, and it's something that we
(20:35):
now appreciate as a society much more than perhaps we
did back in the day.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Thanks so much, thank you, thank you for saying that.
I'd like to really quickly say thank you to armand
Decante and the guy that put us together. Are a
good town, Mark Lund so good.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I once worked with Mark, or I should say I
worked for Mark, so it's a great friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And he spoke very.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Highly of you, and and you you fulfill all of
my expectations. Thanks for your passion on this. You were
destined for success. With this great success. Thank you waye
appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Thank you so much. Thank you, Daan, my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
We come back on to talk about artificial intelligence with
a fellow named Abdu Murray. It is the pros, the cons,
the morality and the pitfalls of artificial intelligence. We will
cover it all right after this break on night Side.
It's coming up a little bit after. This's eight thirty two.
We're a little late for the news, but that's okay.
It's Veterans Day. My name is Dan Ray. You're listening
(21:30):
to WBZ Boston's News Radio ten thirty and your am Island.
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back right after the news with more conversation.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well, in the next few years, all of us are
going to learn a lot about artificial intelligence. With me
is Abdul Murray. I'm not sure if abdou if this
is a website. It's called Embrace the Truth. First of all,
I want you to explain to me what Embrace the
Truth is, and then let's talk about the pros, the
cons and the morality and pitfalls of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Welcome to Knightside, amdu oh Dan.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
It's great to be with you. Thanks for having me on,
and so Embrace The Truth is that organization that I
founded twenty years ago, and it is actually the website
as well. It's embraced the truth dot org. And what
we're basically about and what I do is I'm a
lawyer by training. I went to law school with a
commercial litigator, complex business litigation, that kind of stuff. But
(22:47):
I speak about Christian worldview in light of contemporary culture
and big issues like artificial intelligence, like morality, like all
these kind of things from a Christian perspective. And I
speak in university and kind of ps second places. So
you're just trying to see the intersection of faith and culture,
and of course a I on everyone's mind, so that's
(23:07):
what is on my mind as well.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Okay, So so you come to it not only with
the legal background. I'm a lawyer as well, uh, from
a legal background, but also.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, no, no, no, there's nothing wrong with that. It's
been it's been very good. No.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I've enjoyed, uh it both as a practicing attorney and
elsewhere as an investigative journalist for for many years, uh,
in television.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So you have a faith perspective as well.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Many people think that lawyers don't have any we don't
have a great reverydation, but many of us do.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Uh, and I would be in that category with you.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
So now so, so the the presentation is the pros,
the cons, the morality and the pitfalls of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I don't think I.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Understand artifical I think I have a basic understanding of it.
But I don't think I understand artificial intelligence to even
understand pros, cons, morality and pitfalls other than my question
has always been how are teachers and college professors going
to figure out whether that essay or that term paper
(24:14):
or that thesis was actually written or ripped off by
a college student or a grad student. But tell me,
in probably a more more sophisticated language that I could
produce what we need to be concerned about.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Well, the first thing we need to do is make
sure we define our terms, because oftentimes we think of
artificial intelligence. Many researchers will tell you that the term
is so broad that it's almost useless now because when
we think of artificial intelligence in the sci fi world,
we think of the terminator, or we think of the
machine like in the matrix, that are coming to get
us and pick over the world because they have like
a human level artificial intelligence, and the reality is is
(24:53):
that's what's called artificial general intelligence, and that's a goal
for a lot of researchers and developers, but.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
We're hoping they never reached that goal. By the way,
as far as I desire to stay that.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Abdu Well, that's one of the pitfalls is that there's
a thing called the value problem. And one of the
things in the value problem is that if you create
something that has human level intelligence or even greater, and
then it has it's called a recursive improvement cycle, where
it just keeps getting better at getting better, it will
eventually past us at a bunch of different tasks. So
a lot of researchers are asking the question. The question
(25:25):
they're asking is if something achieves or we achieve some
kind of human level intelligence for this thing that doesn't
have the same concerns we have, who's to say that
its objectives will line up with with morality, with human morality?
Who's to say that? And sip with well, no one's
to say that, because it might come up with its
own idea.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And then of course you get into the philosophical argument
of what is morality and what is human morality?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And how is it expressed.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Yeah, and so this comes to me, This comes back
down to from my faith perspective, and I think there's
also a philosophical thing in respective of my particular faith preference.
But when it comes down to this to me is
I think morality is an objective thing. We don't know
it objectively. So there's a difference between morality's existence and
(26:13):
our ability to detect its existence, much like light. You know,
my eyes can't see ultraviolet light or infra red light.
That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means that
I can't see it just yet. But objectively it exists.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Well you get that, you know, you get to the
what I would consider it be the oxy moronic term
of relative morality.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Right, exactly right. And so relative morality is is oxymoronic,
exactly right, because you can't have a relative morality. It's
like you can't have a subjective objectivism. It's something subjective
or it's objective. Well, morality is, I believe objective. And
I think that actually makes sense on a worldview that's
based in faith, based in faith on God, because if
(26:54):
God is a personal being and morality is a personal
kind of a thing, and morality is transcendent. So for example,
it's always wrong to torture babies for fun, no matter
what your culture is or your religion is, it's always wrong,
even if it's.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
It's always wrong to torture kittens or puppies as right,
I mean, is all I mean really should agree.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
On that, right, But it's true, and it's it's logically true.
It's based on an objective source and a transcendent source,
and a transcendent, objective personal source is exactly how we
define God. So that's why I think that that's important.
Why that factors into the AI conversation though, for me,
is that if you have something artificial and then you
(27:41):
start to suggest that maybe it's morality is just as
valid as human morality, well then what happens is you're
saying that morality becomes artificial, and so you're run into
these problems, Like you said, cheating on tests or plagiarizing
people's art or plays, writing people's work becomes more of
a convenience issues and a morality issue.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yea, it becomes almost what can what can I get
away with? How can I do this so I don't
have to write that term paper, but I can reduce
a term paper which the high school teacher or the
college professor won't be able to distinguish.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Right, And and so some people are trying to trying
to develop artificial intelligence that can detect artificial intelligence at work,
like you know, cheating on papers and that kind of stuff.
There's plenty of upsides. I mean, there's a lot of
upsides in terms of medical diagnoses and different breakthroughs with
ADHD and these kind of things. But so here's the thing, Dan,
is that I think I'm quoting somebody else who said
(28:38):
this that the issue is not with the with the
software itself is and what will we do with it?
Because the way he put it was human stupidity is
worse than artificial intelligence because we will do bad things
with these weapons. In one sense, well, we can do
great things with it. So really it's for me, it's
an issue of a heart check, it's a soul check.
(29:01):
What are we going to do with this thing? Can
we limit its development? Can we limit its uses? And
I think that's important for us to understand from a
moral standpoint, do how.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Can folks get more information on your website? Because we've
only scratched the surface of this argument, which is you know,
it's almost mathematical and philosophical and historical.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, so they can go to yeah, so thanks dam
they can go to Embrace the truths all one word
dot o RG, lots of articles, lots of videos. I'm
writing a book on it. Actually, as we have we speak,
I'm writing a book on it that comes out next
year on artificial intelligence and various different ideas when it
comes to faith issues, but also just morality issues. So
(29:44):
look again, look out for that. But Embrace the Truth
dot org.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Well, it's interesting just looking at your bio for folks
who may not know you. You have the You have
a BA in psychology from the University of Michigan, a
great school and at Arbor, and also a jd from
the University of Michigan Law schoo on Boston University Law School. Guy,
so you're you're a Michigander. So we're not going to
hold that against job. Thank you so much. And I'm
(30:07):
hoping that people go to Embrace the Truth dot org
because what you're saying I'm picking up on and I
hope some others.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Are as well. Okay, really good conversation, Thank you sir.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Thanks good, all right, talking again.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
We'll get back going to talk about the Boston Public
Art Triennial coming to the city of Boston next to May,
what it means for residence, tourists, artists, businesses, and the
community at large. Is going to be talking about Kate Gilbert,
who is the executive director of the Boston Public Art Triennial.
We'll get to that right after this quick break on Nightside.
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
(30:45):
Nightside Studios.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well, about six months from now or so in May
of twenty twenty five, which to one wave sounds like
it's a long way off, but it's only six months.
We just have to get through the rest of fall,
wintering into the spring. The Boston Public Art Triennial. Well,
we're coming to the city of Boston and with us
as Kate Gilbert. Uh is it Gilbert or Gilbert?
Speaker 6 (31:08):
I like Gilbert, but it is Gilbert, whatever you'd like.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, okay, we'll make you very French Canadian at this moment.
The Boston Public Art Triennial. First of all, I was
not familiar with the Boston Public Art Triennial. The Triennial,
I assume, means three hundred years.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
It means every three years every three years, because yeah, yeah,
that's that's it's it's art speak for every three years.
So this organization has been around for about nine years.
Previously is now and there, So maybe it's that.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Bephore previously was what called now and there?
Speaker 6 (31:47):
It is called now and there.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
They're okay, well that's why probably now I see it. Okay,
Boston Public Triennial. So tell us about this. This is
a big deal.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Uh, it's all is going to be spread throughout the city,
as I understand it.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Uh, and is this the biggest since since this is
the ninth year, I'm guessing this is the fourth triennial,
So we're entering.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
The organization is entering its tenth year, and in celebration
of that, we're putting on our first triennial.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Ye first, even more confused? Okay, all right, so this
is the first, which means that going forward, you're.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Going to do this every three years.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Correct, So twenty second it will open and then we'll
look again for twenty twenty eight, twenty thirty one and beyond.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
So the boss, so tell us tell us about it.
What what should people look to?
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And then I want to make sure at the end
we talk about how people can get in touch with
you and get a lot more information than we can
candense in about five minutes we have left.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Tell us, tell us what's the great?
Speaker 6 (32:51):
So so, someone recently called a triennial the super Bowl
of the art world. So for your listeners who aren't
quite you know that up to spe with can temporary art.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Maybe maybe.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Then it's talking about y okay. We are bringing in
local artists and international artists to really sort of show
their show, their show, their expertise. We're going to have sculptures.
It's all temporary, so you really need to come. You
need to be here between May twenty second and October
thirty first and it closes. Go these sculptures that are
made of hammered metal. We've got some things that are woven,
(33:30):
something made out of bronze. We've got light neon signs,
even things like trees and nature that you might see
differently because of these artists coming in to really highlight
everything we have here in Boston. Each artist is paired
with a local expert, so these are experts in social
social movements, science, medicine, sound, and we're really showcasing Boston's neighborhoods.
(33:55):
You know, we are a city of neighborhoods and we're
going to take that as a strength in this triennial.
And my hope is that audiences will come to eighteen
different locations we're in Charlestown or downtown, or in East
Boston or in Dorchester, Mattapan, Roxbury and really get a
new and sort of unique flavor of Boston.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Well we have, I forget how you want to cut
them off and everything, but there's about seventeen eighteen neighborhoods.
I mean, you know, you have on one end, You've
got Hyde Park in Reinville where I grew up. On
the other end again East Boston and Charlestown, and now
you get the seaport, they'll be all over and so
(34:35):
will it be moving. So the different communities will will
a you know, an artist plant whatever they're doing in
one section. And you said it's going to be there
from the twenty second of May until October thirty first,
by I mean the Red Sox will still be playing
in the World Series by October thirty first.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
That's a long season. I know, I'm a bit of
an optimist, but you're talking out there nearly half a year.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So the the works of art move around. I assume
they'll be stationar. I mean people have to count with
the works.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
Of art exactly. Most of the works will be will
be static. There'll be a couple of projects where people
can participate in printmaking, and those will be all around
the city, almost like a scavenger hunt. You have to go,
you know, try and find them. But for the most part,
eighteen projects in locations throughout the city. The museums are
also participating, So that's another four or five locations where
(35:30):
you can expect free always free. You don't need a ticket,
public art outside for people to engage with, you know,
be inspired by question, you know, all the things that
art makes you.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I'm interested in the printmaking. You're not talking about US currency.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I assume, Oh wouldn't that be nice?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Oh would be no?
Speaker 6 (35:49):
No, no, Now, we're we're going to be encouraging people
to make statements and you know, posters that are really
important to them and their identity.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Is there anything like this in any other city or
how did this idea this cont come to mind?
Speaker 6 (36:06):
So there are a couple other cities that are doing
these prospects. Is the name of one in New Orleans?
And Counter Republic in Saint Louis. This is the only
triennial of public art of its kind in the East Coast.
So this is really a first for Boston, and I
think Boston is absolutely positioned to do something like this.
(36:26):
We have such you know, great tourism coming in, but
we also have such great audiences locally that want to
participate in contemporary art.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
This is great, This is great, And I assume that
you have been involved in this for some time. This
is not something that has.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Well, Dan, I started this. You can blame me a
long time ago. I was thank you a long time ago.
I was part of the Greenway Conservancy in the first
ten people that helped bring the Greenway to life and
the art there. And I love the Greenway. I'm a
neighbor and I just want to see more of that
throughout the city. So this first tri anial, people can
(37:06):
expect eighteen projects in those neighborhoods I mentioned. The next
one will hit other neighborhoods, and as we go through this,
we want to be in every one of Boston's amazing neighborhoods,
bringing in tourism, supporting locals and just you know, having
a moment of wonder. I think so many of us
(37:27):
are walking around I'm guilty of this, looking at our phones,
looking at the ground, not connecting with each other. And
in these times, just a great to come together and
have to celebrate.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Thank you very much, Kate Gilbert or Kate Gilbert, whichever
you would prefer, the executive director of the Boston Public
Art Triennial. I suspect that we'll have another opportunity to
speak about this as we get a little closer to
the actual opening in May of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
So thanks a love, thank you, And.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
It gives people the chance to focus a little bit,
maybe make sure that they'll becoming a Boston in some
form of fashion.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Many times.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Yeah, get out your walking shoes. The Triennial dot org.
Thanks yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
So the website is simply Boston Triennial dot org.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Is that what you said, It's simply the the Triennial
t r I E N N I A L dot org.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Perfect, Kate, Thank you so much, appreciate a lot.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Thank you again, Take care, good night.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
When we get back, we are going to talk about
what's going on in three communities that will have no
school tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
And this is not snow alert or anything.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
This is the teachers have decided to walk the picket
line up in Beverly and Gloucester and Marblehead. We will
talk about it particularly, I'd love to hear from parents
in those communities. Causes some inconvenience, but we'll see what
we'll talk about it. Illegal strikes in three Boston communities
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Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.