November 18, 2024 • 41 mins
President Biden and his Administration made a major policy change by lifting a ban on Ukraine using U.S. long-range missiles to strike targets deep inside Russia. This is a game-changer for the Ukraine-Russia war as some are concerned this move could lead to a sea-change in relations with the West. We discussed the potential implications of Biden’s policy change!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice eyes.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Unelling yourazy Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
All right, we've got full lines here, which is the
way I like it. And we're just talking about what
are we going to do. The administration, the Colored administration,
the Biden administration, in its waning days today authorized or
over the weekend, authorized Ukraine to use US missiles that
have longer range that we apparently sent at some point
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in the past. These are not missiles that are being
sent today and may not get there for three weeks.
These are missiles that are in the possession of Ukraine
right now. We had Well, this is a big step,
that's all. And what happens if Putin decides to react
and react adversely. Not that that should dictate our foreign policy,
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but it's a legitimate question, and you folks have given
me some really interesting answers. Let's go to Tom and Dorchester.
Tom next on night side.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Welcome by Dan.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
You get one call it get a little race, but
you should these uh, These Ukrainians are they're fascist. Actually
the fast the Batian they fought for Germany or Watwo
and yet the dom Bass region was all Russian people.
Now the history now they overthrew the first of.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
All, you're painting with a broad brush right now, they
are under assault. Who's the good guys? Here? Is putin
the good guy?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Or there was a civil war in twenty fourteen and
the dom Bass regions, the Ukrainians and the fashion Ukrainians
win the Dark Mass region killing Russian people. They outlawed
the Russian language, they outlawed the Russian church, the church
they had uh and and and they the dorm Bass
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region we were just part of the Ukraine asked Russia to
come in and help get these Ukrainian fashions out of
the down Bass region and then and then help us.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So that would be that would be so that would
be analogous too. If let us say some of the
people who have come across the border, you know, down south,
have come across and entered the country illegally, but they
feel that they're being treated badly by the United States.
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They then would appeal to Mexico to come in and
help them fight the United States. That's the same analogy
I wanted.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
The Bass region Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union.
Now there's no Soviet Union, it's Russia. Russia is a
Christian nation. And the fact that they oversee the present.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
You think you think Putin is a practicing Christian?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Tom, Yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
These are Christians? Yes, you really do.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Show him going to church.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
They showed.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I see pictures with him going to church. I'm telling
you it's then.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Fourteen.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Do you think Putin's a good guy.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
No, he's not a good guy. But there's no such
thing as a good leader. We have we ever hear
any person's shot. Do we have any person in shock
that have survived and any persons that shots that died?
Of course we have the world is full of no
good leaders. But he's a I think he's a decent leader.
He's a Russian leader. He loves his people. We've had
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we've had presents to get into like the American people.
But we have to go back now that Don meth
Legion said to Russia, can you come in and help
us get the gift these as soldiers?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Which is then Putin then is really a liberator?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yes, yes he is, and he wouldn't take And once
they got out, Putin said we're leaving after we get
the A's up battalion out of your area. And they
said that Putin don't bother coming in because they'll only
come back as soon as you leave.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So so essentially it sounds to me like sounds to
me like your sympathies are with Putin? Is the list
a bad guy?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Z Risk He's a comedian, he's a enough, he's enough.
We've put him in there, CIA put him in. There
are bad dudes. I'm telling you if I try to
tell people that they are bad dudes.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Okay, so what do you think is going to happen
when your guy becomes president? Tell us.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
He might The Dawn Mass region might go to Russia
and then they'll be Ukraine. Russia doesn't want Europe. They
don't want to do Soviet Union. It's a completely different
country than the Soviet Union.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Putin they.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Keep the Crimea, keep the Crimea, and you just well
if they if they give the Crimea to the Ukrainians,
you know, American ships will be in the Crimea and
the Russians don't want that at all, so they might
they might keep the crime.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Trump couldn't trust Trump to not put not put Americans
because everybody says that you know Putin or you think
I think that Putin and Trump have a pretty good relationship.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
He only talk to him because he's a leader. That's all.
He wants peace. Donald Trump wants peace. He doesn't want
to let me tell you something else. By the way,
yeah yeah, yeah yeah. But Trump was quite a bit
better than Neville Chamberlain. And and you know you uh,
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I'm telling you, Dan, he might get the Don bethleet
and he's gonna keep the Crimea and he's gonna be peace.
They're still gonna be a Ukraine. Now, the Ukraine, they're just.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Just as small, just a smaller Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
It'll be a little smaller. But the dom Bass Region
is not that big. But there's all they're all Russians, Dan,
they're all Russians and the dom Basque region and they
and they had a civil war in twenty fourteen. They said, well,
you will not speak Russian and you will not go
to the Russian Russian Orthodox period, Okay, and they so put.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Basically is fighting is fighting on behalf of the Russian
Orthodox Church and.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
The Russian people to Russian people.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
They have never heard of that analysis before. But let's
see if people react to what you have.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
To say, Tom, then they say one more thing. Jesus
of course, just quickly, Joe Biden said there's no Americans killed,
and we know what puel Americans will kill. But who
is responsible for all Ukrainians did, all the Russia did,
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all the people that live in Jazza dead. There's someone
responsible for that, and I think I know who it is,
thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I think is responsible for the Putin's uh missiles killed.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
You would have never gone into you, he would have
ever gone with Jukraine. They would have settled that he
might might.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
What happened. We want to give up your I want
you to get me back and when you know, Tom,
I've given you six minutes here, Tom.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
So, yeah, thank you, thank you, all right, thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Tom By. We'll take a quick break, come right back
here at night side. If any of you want to
react to Tom, you're more than welcome. Six one seven,
two five four ten thirty six one seven nine three
one ten thirty. That's the only line that's opening. I
shouldn't even given you the two five four ten thirty
six one seven nine three one ten thirty. I think
this is either an opportunity or it could lead us
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in a direction that probably none of us want to go.
That's where I'm coming from. But I'd love to hear
from you. We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Okay, let's keep rolling, let's go back, Let's go to
Steve in New Hampshire. Steve next on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Welcome, Yes, how you doing.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
A very interesting topic and yeah, kind of spread it
around there, a little bit of World War One and
World War Two, but it seems like this Rusher thing
is the main topic. So I'll just try to make
a couple of observations here. What puzzles me is, for
some reason, we over the last decade or so, probably
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even longer than that, actually, we've constantly been expanding NATO. Okay, Now,
it appears to me that after World War Two ended,
from that point in time to the current time, I
don't see at any point during that time period that
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Russia ever has expressed hostile intents to the United States
or any Western countries regarding Putin.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
I know.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
What period, what period of time are you suggesting?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Well, I think back during Clinton they were like bursts
of NATO expansions, you know, off the top of my head,
I can't remember exactly where they were, but well.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Look, the Soviet Empire collapsed in nineteen ninety one, Boris
sheeltzycan president and all that and Russia had all it
could do was to keep themselves, you know, together as
a country. At that point, they were focused inwardly. It's
only in the last you know, fifteen or so years
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that Putin has fled Muscle. He went into Georgia south
as Sessia.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
He took Crimea right after the twenty fourteen Winter Olympics
in Sochi, Russia, Russia. Uh. And then obviously he's been
now he's coming up in the third anniversary of the
Ukrainian invasion. So you know, they had they had their goals.
I mean, they're they're you know Putin I tried to
mention this to John. Putin said that the greatest tragedy
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of the twenty twentieth century was the breakup of the
old Soviet Union. He'd like to put the so he'd
like to put the team back together.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Well, I think so were guarding this specific issue. It's
it's what started this was the constant encroachment of NATO.
In Putin for a long time has been saying, look,
this has to stop. It has to stop. Finally it
got to the point where they were, you know, wanted
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to have the Ukraine area, have NATO come in there also,
And from what I understand, I can't remember for sure,
but I heard reports, because it's hard to get information
sometimes that they were starting to arm up, you know,
NATO was starting to bring arms into the Ukraine. And
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at that point it's you know, it appears to me
that Putin has a certain obligation to defend his country
and make sure uh you know that he he says, Okay,
this is the line you don't cross. And now, had
Putin been expressing hostility towards the West, uh uh you know,
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then there may be some base for it, right. I
see this as Putin just having to make a stand
on behalf of his country. I see no reason why
we should look at Putin as someone who's been an
evil guy or an unfair player, I think, and dealt
with what happened, uh his country pretty well. Uh. I
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don't see how while we have any interest whatsoever in Ukraine,
certainly they were clandestine Western interests over there, you know,
muckling around. Uh you know, you go back to the
Baden and uh the uh you know when they had
the camera the name the two guys with the y
that that he had the Russian guide and they had
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they flipped over the election and the people stood back
up and uh, excuse they got they got the Western
guy in, and then the people stood up and they
got the Russian guy back. And so it's kind of complex.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But so so let me so we're kind of drifted
off here for a second. Let me bring you back
to the question at hand. Okay, okay, okay, Joe Biden.
What has compelled Joe Biden to reverse his policy on
long range the the accessibility of long range US missiles
and the right.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
So let's I think, okay, I just I think that's
somewhat irresponsible because now this is during the interim period
of the election. I mean, we've had an election. Trump's
going to be the new guy coming in, and I
think what Biden should have said was, okay, right now,
regarding foreign policy, I'm going to stop, you know, my
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actions now, and I'm going to now allow the Trump
team to come in and do what they want. I
think that's kind of irresponsible to do what you did.
This is like remember back when I think it was
George Bush won lost the election to Clinton. You remember
that because you're your good memory remember that? Okay, Yeah,
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Now remember at the end of Bush's term, there was
some shenanigans going on. I think it was in Somalia,
and that might have been ginned up by you know,
clandestine forces of the West, But in any event, that
was that event going on in Somalia, and Bush was
one on g uh, should I send you know, American
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military in? And he never came to a complete decision,
and if I remember correctly, until after he lost the
election and he knew Clinton was going to come in.
And then when he when he realized that, he said, okay,
I'm going to send it. So, in other words, dropping
a quagmire into Clinton's lap. So I think that's just
an instant replay of this. It's a defect in how
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the Constitution was originally written. I mean, once you have
a new regime come in, the old regime should clean
up the desk on the same day, and and and
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
That's the way it works. I mean that that unfortunately
or fortunately, that's not the way it works. When the
problems and that allows for shenanigans. We have, Yeah, we
have a different transition of power. In England, they have
an election for the prime minister, and you're right, that's
what happens. The next day the guy gets elected, you know,
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moves moves into ten Downing Street. Uh, and the old
prime minister in with the new one, not with the old.
Not the way it works. We have this transition thing.
And yeah, and during the period of during the lane
duck period of either of President Bush or President Biden,
they still call the shots. Meaning if tomorrow we had
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US troops attacked somewhere, Biden, President Biden would be make
the decision as to how to respond. He could certainly
talk to Donald Trump if he wanted to, or he
didn't have to talk. He's he's the commander in chief.
It's not like we have two commander in chiefs. We
have one until you know the second another one is
sworn in on January twentieth. That's just that's reality.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I know, well that that's that's the problem. I think.
I think at this point Biden probably should have said, look,
it's this is teen Trump is coming in and uh,
he can be the next one. But in one macro
observation here, I mean, we're constantly haven't war, war, war, war, war.
It always has to be something going on. We were
in the you know, uh over there in Afghanistan, in Iraq,
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the Afghanistan, things like twenty years uh you know what,
what what did that accomplish? Nothing? Just a bunch of
people that And actually, and I don't want to take
up too much of time here, but if you go
back and look at the inception of World War one
World War two, I don't see any reason why there
was any you know, any reason to get involved in that.
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As a matter of fact.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Is so, so, what if you had been the president?
What would have you done after the towers were hit?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Okay, well, now that's something else. Now that Okay, here's
the thing that makes me a little direct question.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It's what it's called the direct question, Steve, What would
a gay done?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well, the first thing I would have done was I
would have made sure I was going after the right people.
Certainly that was that was a terrible, uh, you know,
a terrible attack on the United States. But I wouldn't
have just gone, Okay, what did Iraq have to do
with this stuff? Okay, that's the thing. It seemed to me.
You have to be able to defend your country, and
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you have to have confident intelligence which knows what's you
know going on in the in the Hindu lands out
in the world, who the good guys are, who the
bad guys are, and have some you know, sort of
general idea of where you're going to go investigate. To me, uh,
it seemed like it was a very reckless, uh and
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poorly thought out response.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Although again you're telling me everything you would you wouldn't
have done. Okay, what I'm asking you is if you
had all the information then that we have, now, what
would have you done if you were the president the
tow yesterday?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
If I president, what do you want after nine to eleven?
If I was a president, I would have got together
all the clandestine services guys like the CIA and all
these other people. Is like, what you know about what's
going on? Who do you think?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And then do you know what was going on? Steve?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Well, later on, Dan, what was going on?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Why you had you had you had groups in the
Middle East, including al Qaeda, UH, including Isis UH, including
the Taliban UH, all of whom we're looking at the
West as a as as the enemy, as the big
Satan and and we little Satan just you wanted you
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ask me. See, here's the thing that's different, Steve. I
asked you questions. You make a speech, You asked me questions,
and I start to give you an answer, and you
interrupt me.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I'm sorry to complete yourself because I want to make
sure I, you know, fully absorb what you say, and
I'd like to make up.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But we now know. We now know it was it
was al Qaeda. We know that eventually the groups called ISIS.
We know what the Taliban would doing, we know what
the Taliban are now doing. We're seeing the thing play out.
Would you if you sit back, What if you sat
back on September twelfth, two thousand and one, and said, hey,
you know, you know, maybe they're right. They they they
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killed the Americans? What would you do?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Just okay, let me just make a quick point of that. Okay,
here's the thing now. Am I right in my memory
that the response was going into oraq Is that what
happened at Bush two came in and said we got
to go. Well, there was a little delay there because
Bush one went in.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
There and we went into We went into Afghanistan first,
and then eventually we turned our attention toward a.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Rack Okay, oh, Steve, I got to end it.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Steve, Steve, you know what. I've asked you the question
seven times. I kind of ask you. You know you've
got eleven minutes, Steve, way too long, way too long.
Thank you very much for your call. I was really
hoping that you would, with the perspective of time, be
able to to tell me what Bush should have done.
That's that's all I was hoping for. But uh, maybe
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we'll try it again some other time. I gotta go,
thank you. Here comes the news. We got one line
at six one, seven thirty. We'll get one line in
six one, seven nine. Sometimes I am too generous with
my callers and I asked them the same question to
make the point that they do not have an answer.
I have to stop doing that and give people one
question and when they don't want to answer it, end it,
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because to keep telling me the same thing is redundant
and probably not good radio. We'll be back on Nightside
after this.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
It's Night Side with Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
So we're essentially asking a simple question. Are you concerned
over the fact that President Biden, in the last waiting
days of his administration, has decided to give long range
missiles to run to Ukraine. They can be used in Russia.
And by the way, ladies, you're letting me down here. Okay,
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I need people who can actually answer the question. If
you're not concerned about it, or if you think it's
a great move, that's fine. If you are concerned about it,
I'd love to hear from as well. We're going to
go to John in North Carolina. John, I apologize for
the way that you've endured. Go ahead, John, Oh, no problem.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
The last two callers I thought were very interesting Steve
in New Hampshire and Tom and Dorchester.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, I thought they were interesting.
Speaker 9 (21:35):
But it's frustrating to me and I don't know, help
me out here. It's frustrating when you ask someone a
question and they want to go off and give you
the same answer that's unresponsive to the question.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
Well, I think maybe people are, you know, given the
circumstances of a call in radio show, they just want
to be sure they can make their point, so maybe
take it answer or twice.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I keep asking the question, hoping that and I understand
what you're saying. But it's like I'm trying to say, okay,
tell me, you know, he immediately goes, this is a
horrible mistake what we did. Oh, that's fine. What would
have you done? That's the problem. There's no easy answer. Okay,
even with all of the hindsight, there's still there's still
no easy answer. Once these people knocked down two towers
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in New York City.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
But I'm not saying what Bush did or or or
what Obama continued or what I mean. What Biden did
on the withdrawal was just insane. To surrender eighty five
billion dollars worth of military equipment, uh and and to
and to basically leave the badgrum camp and try to
do the withdrawal out of Kapoul International Airport. What a
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disaster that was. And there wasn't one military leader who
was fired.
Speaker 8 (22:59):
And people and a lot of people say that that
also in bold and Putin to invade Ukraine when he
saw that.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Sure, yes, sir, that was in August of twenty one
of twenty twenty one, and it was six months later
that Putin decided to go to Ukraine. So does this
bother you with the long range missiles? I just am
trying to figure this out, I said earlier tonight. Is
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it possible. I'm going to ask you the question that
I was hoping people would would tune into. Is it possible,
in your opinion, John, that President Biden former President Trump
actually had a two hour meeting last Wednesday? Is it
possible that Biden and Trump have come up with a
good cop bad cop scenario where Biden going out the
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door is going to be the bad cop. Give the
long range missiles to Ukraine, put some pressure on the Russians,
and Trump can commit and say to putin Look, you
know we're willing to back off here. If you're willing
to back you think that this is the foundation for
a way to colt that situation down on. Am I
too optimistic?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Well?
Speaker 8 (24:09):
I don't think so, because first of all, I don't
think Biden, his current mental state, is capable of anything
like that. And then if it's not Biden, then the
people around him I think are just such ideologue. I
don't think they would ever do a pragmatic deal with Trump.
So I don't think that's what's behind it. What I
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think is behind it is the And again I don't
think Biden is making these decisions, but the people around him,
I think want to.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I think that's pretty clear.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
But I think they're trying to make things as hard
as possible for Trump to make a deal. But I
don't think that this will have any impact because I
think Zelenski, seeing that Trump's coming in in a couple
of months, I don't think he would want to use
those missiles, you know, which I think would alienate Trump.
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And I think on the Russian side, I think Putin
would prefer to wait instead of triggering World War three.
I'd rather wait to see what Trump has on the
table when Trump gets in the office. But I did
you said, you said how people reacted to what Tom
and Dorchester was saying.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I know Tom and Dorchester took attack. Then I gave
him plenty of time, and it gave Steve plenty of time,
and both of them they were looking to make a
speech as opposed to engage in a conversation. And what
I try to do, I just go. I always try
to give people the benefit of the doubt, and it's
not the right thing to do for the audience. So
I apologize that you had to wait this long.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
Oh, no problem. But I think I think Tom put
his finger on a very big part of it, and
that is the the the ethnic Russian slant on the thing,
because if if you look back in the twentyth century,
when empires break down and split up into individual countries,
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you get different ethnicities kind of caught within national borders
where they're not a majority, and it really causes tremendous problems.
I mean, I could just a few examples up after
World War One, when you had the Greek Turkish War
that ended up in you know, massive ethnic transverse Greeks
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from Turkey and Turks from Greece. And then of course
world War Two you had the Sudatean land where you
had a lot of Germans were caught within the borders
of the newly found country of Czechoslovakia. And then of
course after World War Two you had Russia moved basically
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moved Poland hundreds of miles to the west, and the
Poles that were in the new part of Russia, well
it was Ukraine, but they were settled in Silesia, which
was you know, taken over by Poland and the Germans
were kicked out. So anyway, historically I think it's you see,
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these these ethnic conflicts are just really drive politics.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I'll tell you, great perspective I learned something from this
phone call, and it's a thoughtful phone call. I really appreciated.
That's best call of the night. John. Well, okay, you're
a gentleman. You're a gentleman. Yeah. They're all good in
the wrong way. It's just for me frustrating because I
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hate to say to people. I don't like to be
rude and say to someone answer my Darren question, you know.
I mean, that's that's all. Hey, John, I'll let you run.
Thank you much, appreciate it very much. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
Okay, Okay, damn bye bye bye bye.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Okay, I'm gonna take no. I'm going to go to
Jack and Newton. He's not gonna have to wait any longer. Jack,
I got three minutes, four minutes before you go ahead, Jack.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Hi, Jack, Cordermer. I'll answer your question directly. I think
it's very risky. What what Biden is extremely risky. And
maybe he, you know, he's kind of felt that Ukraine,
you know, meets to defend itself and the Ukrainian people,
and I'm a Ukrainian you know, will fight to the end.
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But I tell you, I think what Trump will do
is he wants to solve this problem. He's gonna, you know,
travel to Moscow. They'll say, look at mister Putin, you
stop the bombing, you stop it. And I will try
to convince Lensky to give.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Up some land.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
That's it, a little land. You stop the bombing. They
have to stop because you know, I have a stepdaughter
in Ukraine and two beautiful grandchildren, and I call them
tonight and they have no electricity. It's gonna it's getting
harder and harder. They don't have enough soldiers. There's a
lot of things going on. They're great fighters, we are
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great fighters. I'm an Ukrainian. That they have to stop doing.
And I think Trump will that's what he'll do, should
do that.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
It would be ironic if again, you know, he said
he could stop it. Let's see if he can, because
obviously it's in everyone's interest to stop it. I mean,
I just in terms of the people who have died.
I guess the Russians are losing two to three thousand
soldiers a day, which is an incredible number of soldiers.
And they brought they brought in ten thousand North.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
Korean troops exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
That blows my mind.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Putin has no support for this war in Russia. They
don't want this war. Nobody wants this war.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I saw the video tonight of the North Korean troops
getting their equipment and their supplies. I'm thinking myself, Wow,
oh that's that's a stunning I mean it's the Hermit
Kingdom has sent ten thousand troops to Russia to fight Ukraine.
I can't even get my head around that now, Jack,
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I mean seriously.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Well, Biden should travel to Moscow, which he won't because
he's old, he's sick, and say, look at this is Dell.
He stopped the bombing. And I'll trump to Zelenski he
should take control of the situation and not leave it
to blink. And but I don't think it's going to happen.
Trump will have to do the job. You'll have to
go directly at to and say, look it, stop the
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damn war. I will convince Elenski to give up some
lamp and that's hopefully will.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Be the st What happens if if Trump is successful, uh,
and he gets the Nobel Peace Prize, people's heads will
blow up.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Look at as they're saying, Hebrew color cvote all honors
to him.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
If he gets there will be people Uh, in new
and he'll be walking down the street. Who heads will explode?
I don't know. I don't know. Hey, Jack, thank you
very much. A great call. Uh, really good perspective. I
think we're kind of on the same page on this. Okay.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
Yeah, well it's not an easy thing to sell.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, no doubt, no, Thanks Jack, Talk soon, good night,
take a quick break. I got Bob and Ingham, Barrier Newton,
I got some room for you. I can sneak in a
couple more people in here. Bob and Barry are gonna
be great, I hope, and I'd like to hear from you.
And ladies. I don't know where you are tonight, but
you're not participating in the This is a matter of
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war and peace, and I think women have always had
a perspective that needs to be heard. I can only
offer the phone six one, seven, two, five, four ten
thirty or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
We'll come right back on night Side.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Now bent to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Sight Studios. I'm dumbing Bzy news radio.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Okay, phones lit up, Let's go to Barron Newton. Barry
gonna ask you to give it to me as six
sinkly as you can, my friend.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
And yes it's book. So Barry, how are you?
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (32:00):
I succinctly is the last fellow was very well spoken,
nah with historical analogies. Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Both John and North Carolina and Jack and in Newton
also was good.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
It was good tonight, go ahead, seem like it's a
sample the other up to college before we're example. Maybe
people are not going along with this war of ours.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
I was a very opposed to the war in Vietnam
when I was a young man. Tonight, I uh like
before I talked to you, had, especially with my sister,
like why are we doing this? You're pretty reckless to
uh the Bible to do this at the last minute
with the missiles. And then uh, then I thought, well,
maybe when you said it's true, maybe they talked about
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it and this is uh a strategy. He had a
grin that was positively beatific almost.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
When he met that word. I love that word.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Either that he is a cat that ain't the canary.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yes, something's going on.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
We don't know, don't We don't know what.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I just hope it isn't.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Reckless. But the point is that we have gone against
Russia partially thirty the Democrats. Things have turned around. The
Democrats have opposed Russia almost to the point of a
new Cold War since twenty sixteen, when Hillary found it
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convenient to you exploit the issue.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Oh yeah, and and Trump, if Trump pulls it off,
he'll be he'll be a peacemaker.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
I don't think you'll get the Nobel Prize somehow, even
if he got them to do the kumbay r on
the screw.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Well, you're probably right. But but if he if he
was able to get to end this, and then I
don't think he will. But if he did, he should
get the Nobel Prize because it's been the biggest a question.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Well, why did Trump escalate it himself? From uh, President
Obama didn't send them lethal weapons and then Trump did.
President Obama said his vice president over there to be
point man who did some funny things, uh with money,
our money, and then his son was in there getting
(34:25):
extra money. It is very very fishy. And then Trump
came in and escalated it. Well at the same time,
they asked if he should negotiate, Well, no, we don't
want them to negotiate. Why are we doing this? Why
do you think we're pushing this war so much.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
It's a proxy war for the United States against Russia.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
So we've learned. Like Jim Johnson said, he would say,
don't Wannie, we American boys do the job. Ukrainian boys
should be doing.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Something like that. Maybe I got to keep rolling here.
I got three before I got to get to it again.
Thanks man, soon Bobs didn't hang him. Bob got to
be quick for me. We're getting lake.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Go ahead, Bob, I will dare.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
I think Biden should just forget about it sending them.
I think Putin already gave the message. He said, if
you send him, that's that's an act of war. If
we two weeks ago, So why push the buttons? Let
me just leave it. You're being spiteful or you're being foolish.
(35:27):
You know, the guy can't even find his way out
of out of the rain the rain forest. You saw
what he did. He walked in the woods. Come on,
it's too dangerous. This is dangerous.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Well, that's exactly why I'm talking about it tonight.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
You know you at least world War three.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, problem with World War three. The problem with World
War three is there probably will not be a World
War four.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Yes, I agree, that's why I'm telling he needs to
stop and his people under him, whoever was pushing his button,
because it ain't him. They need to stop. To just
leave it alone for now, sixty eight. It's Trump's problem.
Let him handle it.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, thank you. It will be too much.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
He sent. But if he sends them missiles, Trump, I mean,
Putin's gonna have to stand for it. He said what
he said. He's he's kind of a man of his words.
He said something he doesn't All right.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Thanks, Bob, hey, but I'll give you more time. I
get you in late. But we're pre much. Thank you much. Okay,
two quick ones, ron in Weymouth, ron next on, Nice,
I go ahead.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I'll make it quick.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
The Curse of Biden. It's the last stitch effort to
keep the Democratic Party alive and the minds of somebody,
some people out there. It's a little too much, too late,
that's all it is. It's not going to work. Uh,
they want us, they they this is the beginning, of course,
before Trump takes office. This is the beginning of the
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scatter brains that they're gonna bomb bottom all during his term.
But it ain't gonna work. All the Democratic parties they're
just naughty little kids, and Trump has already spanked them
all and now he's going to put them to bed. Okay,
so I'll let the other person ahead of me, Now
tell the rest.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Of the story.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
All right, Thanks, Ryan, appreciate it. Yeah, nobody, talk to
you soon, Eileen. You're going to wrap the hour for
so much time.
Speaker 11 (37:27):
Rob Okay, Well, you wanted a woman to call, and
I think.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
The ladies have been very quiet on this. We have
only one other women called, which surprises me because on
issues of war and peace, I think women play a
very important role.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Well.
Speaker 11 (37:46):
I think war is abhorrent and one of the reasons
that I could not vote for Biden or Kamala Harris
was Biden has been through his whole term focused on war.
War isn't going to win us anything. And I hope
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Trump wins the Nobel Peace Prize. I hope that he'll
get in there and stop all of the people who
want to wage war.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah. I mean, it's going to be interesting to see
what Putin does if one of those missiles really strikes
close to Moscow. I well, I need I'm going to
try to figure out the distance between Kiev and Moscow.
Go ahead, you continue to make your point, and I
appreciate that you called.
Speaker 11 (38:40):
No, I made my point. I think. I just I
think Biden, through his whole term in office, has been
focused on war, and I think it's disgusting. And Kamala
Harris was headed the same route, and I'm glad. I'm
so glad she was so royally defeated because I think
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most people in this country don't want war. And that's
all I really have to say.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Well, not a problem. I appreciate it, Eileen, Thank you
much for your call.
Speaker 11 (39:21):
Thank you for leving me say something.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
You sure did appreciate it. I'm trying to figure out
here the distance between Moscow and Russia, which I probably
shouldn't have tried to do. But let me see what
I can do from Kiev to Moscow. Let's see what
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happens here. I just think that it'll be interesting. These
missiles supposedly can go one hundred and ninety five miles. Oh,
it's actually longer four four sixty nine. So the missiles
will not be able to reach Moscow. They could reach troops,
Russian troops in a variety of locations within what's called
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the Crisk region of Russia. So we'll see how this
plays out. A couple of a couple of programming notes here.
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grandchildren should be aware and should be listening, and we
will wrap the hour tonight. I want to thank everyone
who called, even those who I yelled at, Sorry about that,
and those who good calls, bad calls. All calls are welcome.
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
Unelling yourazy Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
All right, we've got full lines here, which is the
way I like it. And we're just talking about what
are we going to do. The administration, the Colored administration,
the Biden administration, in its waning days today authorized or
over the weekend, authorized Ukraine to use US missiles that
have longer range that we apparently sent at some point
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in the past. These are not missiles that are being
sent today and may not get there for three weeks.
These are missiles that are in the possession of Ukraine
right now. We had Well, this is a big step,
that's all. And what happens if Putin decides to react
and react adversely. Not that that should dictate our foreign policy,
(00:52):
but it's a legitimate question, and you folks have given
me some really interesting answers. Let's go to Tom and Dorchester.
Tom next on night side.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Welcome by Dan.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
You get one call it get a little race, but
you should these uh, These Ukrainians are they're fascist. Actually
the fast the Batian they fought for Germany or Watwo
and yet the dom Bass region was all Russian people.
Now the history now they overthrew the first of.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
All, you're painting with a broad brush right now, they
are under assault. Who's the good guys? Here? Is putin
the good guy?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Or there was a civil war in twenty fourteen and
the dom Bass regions, the Ukrainians and the fashion Ukrainians
win the Dark Mass region killing Russian people. They outlawed
the Russian language, they outlawed the Russian church, the church
they had uh and and and they the dorm Bass
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region we were just part of the Ukraine asked Russia to
come in and help get these Ukrainian fashions out of
the down Bass region and then and then help us.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So that would be that would be so that would
be analogous too. If let us say some of the
people who have come across the border, you know, down south,
have come across and entered the country illegally, but they
feel that they're being treated badly by the United States.
(02:29):
They then would appeal to Mexico to come in and
help them fight the United States. That's the same analogy
I wanted.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
The Bass region Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union.
Now there's no Soviet Union, it's Russia. Russia is a
Christian nation. And the fact that they oversee the present.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
You think you think Putin is a practicing Christian?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Tom, Yes, I do.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
These are Christians? Yes, you really do.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Show him going to church.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
They showed.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I see pictures with him going to church. I'm telling
you it's then.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Fourteen.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Do you think Putin's a good guy.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
No, he's not a good guy. But there's no such
thing as a good leader. We have we ever hear
any person's shot. Do we have any person in shock
that have survived and any persons that shots that died?
Of course we have the world is full of no
good leaders. But he's a I think he's a decent leader.
He's a Russian leader. He loves his people. We've had
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we've had presents to get into like the American people.
But we have to go back now that Don meth
Legion said to Russia, can you come in and help
us get the gift these as soldiers?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Which is then Putin then is really a liberator?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yes, yes he is, and he wouldn't take And once
they got out, Putin said we're leaving after we get
the A's up battalion out of your area. And they
said that Putin don't bother coming in because they'll only
come back as soon as you leave.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So so essentially it sounds to me like sounds to
me like your sympathies are with Putin? Is the list
a bad guy?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Z Risk He's a comedian, he's a enough, he's enough.
We've put him in there, CIA put him in. There
are bad dudes. I'm telling you if I try to
tell people that they are bad dudes.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Okay, so what do you think is going to happen
when your guy becomes president? Tell us.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
He might The Dawn Mass region might go to Russia
and then they'll be Ukraine. Russia doesn't want Europe. They
don't want to do Soviet Union. It's a completely different
country than the Soviet Union.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Putin they.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Keep the Crimea, keep the Crimea, and you just well
if they if they give the Crimea to the Ukrainians,
you know, American ships will be in the Crimea and
the Russians don't want that at all, so they might
they might keep the crime.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Trump couldn't trust Trump to not put not put Americans
because everybody says that you know Putin or you think
I think that Putin and Trump have a pretty good relationship.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
He only talk to him because he's a leader. That's all.
He wants peace. Donald Trump wants peace. He doesn't want
to let me tell you something else. By the way,
yeah yeah, yeah yeah. But Trump was quite a bit
better than Neville Chamberlain. And and you know you uh,
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I'm telling you, Dan, he might get the Don bethleet
and he's gonna keep the Crimea and he's gonna be peace.
They're still gonna be a Ukraine. Now, the Ukraine, they're just.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Just as small, just a smaller Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
It'll be a little smaller. But the dom Bass Region
is not that big. But there's all they're all Russians, Dan,
they're all Russians and the dom Basque region and they
and they had a civil war in twenty fourteen. They said, well,
you will not speak Russian and you will not go
to the Russian Russian Orthodox period, Okay, and they so put.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Basically is fighting is fighting on behalf of the Russian
Orthodox Church and.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
The Russian people to Russian people.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
They have never heard of that analysis before. But let's
see if people react to what you have.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
To say, Tom, then they say one more thing. Jesus
of course, just quickly, Joe Biden said there's no Americans killed,
and we know what puel Americans will kill. But who
is responsible for all Ukrainians did, all the Russia did,
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all the people that live in Jazza dead. There's someone
responsible for that, and I think I know who it is,
thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I think is responsible for the Putin's uh missiles killed.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
You would have never gone into you, he would have
ever gone with Jukraine. They would have settled that he
might might.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
What happened. We want to give up your I want
you to get me back and when you know, Tom,
I've given you six minutes here, Tom.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
So, yeah, thank you, thank you, all right, thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Tom By. We'll take a quick break, come right back
here at night side. If any of you want to
react to Tom, you're more than welcome. Six one seven,
two five four ten thirty six one seven nine three
one ten thirty. That's the only line that's opening. I
shouldn't even given you the two five four ten thirty
six one seven nine three one ten thirty. I think
this is either an opportunity or it could lead us
(08:02):
in a direction that probably none of us want to go.
That's where I'm coming from. But I'd love to hear
from you. We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Okay, let's keep rolling, let's go back, Let's go to
Steve in New Hampshire. Steve next on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Welcome, Yes, how you doing.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
A very interesting topic and yeah, kind of spread it
around there, a little bit of World War One and
World War Two, but it seems like this Rusher thing
is the main topic. So I'll just try to make
a couple of observations here. What puzzles me is, for
some reason, we over the last decade or so, probably
(08:48):
even longer than that, actually, we've constantly been expanding NATO. Okay, Now,
it appears to me that after World War Two ended,
from that point in time to the current time, I
don't see at any point during that time period that
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Russia ever has expressed hostile intents to the United States
or any Western countries regarding Putin.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
I know.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
What period, what period of time are you suggesting?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Well, I think back during Clinton they were like bursts
of NATO expansions, you know, off the top of my head,
I can't remember exactly where they were, but well.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Look, the Soviet Empire collapsed in nineteen ninety one, Boris
sheeltzycan president and all that and Russia had all it
could do was to keep themselves, you know, together as
a country. At that point, they were focused inwardly. It's
only in the last you know, fifteen or so years
(09:57):
that Putin has fled Muscle. He went into Georgia south
as Sessia.
Speaker 8 (10:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
He took Crimea right after the twenty fourteen Winter Olympics
in Sochi, Russia, Russia. Uh. And then obviously he's been
now he's coming up in the third anniversary of the
Ukrainian invasion. So you know, they had they had their goals.
I mean, they're they're you know Putin I tried to
mention this to John. Putin said that the greatest tragedy
(10:28):
of the twenty twentieth century was the breakup of the
old Soviet Union. He'd like to put the so he'd
like to put the team back together.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Well, I think so were guarding this specific issue. It's
it's what started this was the constant encroachment of NATO.
In Putin for a long time has been saying, look,
this has to stop. It has to stop. Finally it
got to the point where they were, you know, wanted
(10:59):
to have the Ukraine area, have NATO come in there also,
And from what I understand, I can't remember for sure,
but I heard reports, because it's hard to get information
sometimes that they were starting to arm up, you know,
NATO was starting to bring arms into the Ukraine. And
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at that point it's you know, it appears to me
that Putin has a certain obligation to defend his country
and make sure uh you know that he he says, Okay,
this is the line you don't cross. And now, had
Putin been expressing hostility towards the West, uh uh you know,
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then there may be some base for it, right. I
see this as Putin just having to make a stand
on behalf of his country. I see no reason why
we should look at Putin as someone who's been an
evil guy or an unfair player, I think, and dealt
with what happened, uh his country pretty well. Uh. I
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don't see how while we have any interest whatsoever in Ukraine,
certainly they were clandestine Western interests over there, you know,
muckling around. Uh you know, you go back to the
Baden and uh the uh you know when they had
the camera the name the two guys with the y
that that he had the Russian guide and they had
(12:26):
they flipped over the election and the people stood back
up and uh, excuse they got they got the Western
guy in, and then the people stood up and they
got the Russian guy back. And so it's kind of complex.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But so so let me so we're kind of drifted
off here for a second. Let me bring you back
to the question at hand. Okay, okay, okay, Joe Biden.
What has compelled Joe Biden to reverse his policy on
long range the the accessibility of long range US missiles
and the right.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
So let's I think, okay, I just I think that's
somewhat irresponsible because now this is during the interim period
of the election. I mean, we've had an election. Trump's
going to be the new guy coming in, and I
think what Biden should have said was, okay, right now,
regarding foreign policy, I'm going to stop, you know, my
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actions now, and I'm going to now allow the Trump
team to come in and do what they want. I
think that's kind of irresponsible to do what you did.
This is like remember back when I think it was
George Bush won lost the election to Clinton. You remember
that because you're your good memory remember that? Okay, Yeah,
(13:44):
Now remember at the end of Bush's term, there was
some shenanigans going on. I think it was in Somalia,
and that might have been ginned up by you know,
clandestine forces of the West, But in any event, that
was that event going on in Somalia, and Bush was
one on g uh, should I send you know, American
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military in? And he never came to a complete decision,
and if I remember correctly, until after he lost the
election and he knew Clinton was going to come in.
And then when he when he realized that, he said, okay,
I'm going to send it. So, in other words, dropping
a quagmire into Clinton's lap. So I think that's just
an instant replay of this. It's a defect in how
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the Constitution was originally written. I mean, once you have
a new regime come in, the old regime should clean
up the desk on the same day, and and and
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
That's the way it works. I mean that that unfortunately
or fortunately, that's not the way it works. When the
problems and that allows for shenanigans. We have, Yeah, we
have a different transition of power. In England, they have
an election for the prime minister, and you're right, that's
what happens. The next day the guy gets elected, you know,
(15:02):
moves moves into ten Downing Street. Uh, and the old
prime minister in with the new one, not with the old.
Not the way it works. We have this transition thing.
And yeah, and during the period of during the lane
duck period of either of President Bush or President Biden,
they still call the shots. Meaning if tomorrow we had
(15:22):
US troops attacked somewhere, Biden, President Biden would be make
the decision as to how to respond. He could certainly
talk to Donald Trump if he wanted to, or he
didn't have to talk. He's he's the commander in chief.
It's not like we have two commander in chiefs. We
have one until you know the second another one is
sworn in on January twentieth. That's just that's reality.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I know, well that that's that's the problem. I think.
I think at this point Biden probably should have said, look,
it's this is teen Trump is coming in and uh,
he can be the next one. But in one macro
observation here, I mean, we're constantly haven't war, war, war, war, war.
It always has to be something going on. We were
in the you know, uh over there in Afghanistan, in Iraq,
(16:08):
the Afghanistan, things like twenty years uh you know what,
what what did that accomplish? Nothing? Just a bunch of
people that And actually, and I don't want to take
up too much of time here, but if you go
back and look at the inception of World War one
World War two, I don't see any reason why there
was any you know, any reason to get involved in that.
(16:29):
As a matter of fact.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Is so, so, what if you had been the president?
What would have you done after the towers were hit?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Okay, well, now that's something else. Now that Okay, here's
the thing that makes me a little direct question.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It's what it's called the direct question, Steve, What would
a gay done?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well, the first thing I would have done was I
would have made sure I was going after the right people.
Certainly that was that was a terrible, uh, you know,
a terrible attack on the United States. But I wouldn't
have just gone, Okay, what did Iraq have to do
with this stuff? Okay, that's the thing. It seemed to me.
You have to be able to defend your country, and
(17:11):
you have to have confident intelligence which knows what's you
know going on in the in the Hindu lands out
in the world, who the good guys are, who the
bad guys are, and have some you know, sort of
general idea of where you're going to go investigate. To me, uh,
it seemed like it was a very reckless, uh and
(17:33):
poorly thought out response.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Although again you're telling me everything you would you wouldn't
have done. Okay, what I'm asking you is if you
had all the information then that we have, now, what
would have you done if you were the president the
tow yesterday?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
If I president, what do you want after nine to eleven?
If I was a president, I would have got together
all the clandestine services guys like the CIA and all
these other people. Is like, what you know about what's
going on? Who do you think?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And then do you know what was going on? Steve?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Well, later on, Dan, what was going on?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Why you had you had you had groups in the
Middle East, including al Qaeda, UH, including Isis UH, including
the Taliban UH, all of whom we're looking at the
West as a as as the enemy, as the big
Satan and and we little Satan just you wanted you
(18:35):
ask me. See, here's the thing that's different, Steve. I
asked you questions. You make a speech, You asked me questions,
and I start to give you an answer, and you
interrupt me.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I'm sorry to complete yourself because I want to make
sure I, you know, fully absorb what you say, and
I'd like to make up.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But we now know. We now know it was it
was al Qaeda. We know that eventually the groups called ISIS.
We know what the Taliban would doing, we know what
the Taliban are now doing. We're seeing the thing play out.
Would you if you sit back, What if you sat
back on September twelfth, two thousand and one, and said, hey,
you know, you know, maybe they're right. They they they
(19:13):
killed the Americans? What would you do?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Just okay, let me just make a quick point of that. Okay,
here's the thing now. Am I right in my memory
that the response was going into oraq Is that what
happened at Bush two came in and said we got
to go. Well, there was a little delay there because
Bush one went in.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
There and we went into We went into Afghanistan first,
and then eventually we turned our attention toward a.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Rack Okay, oh, Steve, I got to end it.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Steve, Steve, you know what. I've asked you the question
seven times. I kind of ask you. You know you've
got eleven minutes, Steve, way too long, way too long.
Thank you very much for your call. I was really
hoping that you would, with the perspective of time, be
able to to tell me what Bush should have done.
That's that's all I was hoping for. But uh, maybe
(20:06):
we'll try it again some other time. I gotta go,
thank you. Here comes the news. We got one line
at six one, seven thirty. We'll get one line in
six one, seven nine. Sometimes I am too generous with
my callers and I asked them the same question to
make the point that they do not have an answer.
I have to stop doing that and give people one
question and when they don't want to answer it, end it,
(20:28):
because to keep telling me the same thing is redundant
and probably not good radio. We'll be back on Nightside
after this.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
It's Night Side with Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
So we're essentially asking a simple question. Are you concerned
over the fact that President Biden, in the last waiting
days of his administration, has decided to give long range
missiles to run to Ukraine. They can be used in Russia.
And by the way, ladies, you're letting me down here. Okay,
(21:09):
I need people who can actually answer the question. If
you're not concerned about it, or if you think it's
a great move, that's fine. If you are concerned about it,
I'd love to hear from as well. We're going to
go to John in North Carolina. John, I apologize for
the way that you've endured. Go ahead, John, Oh, no problem.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
The last two callers I thought were very interesting Steve
in New Hampshire and Tom and Dorchester.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, I thought they were interesting.
Speaker 9 (21:35):
But it's frustrating to me and I don't know, help
me out here. It's frustrating when you ask someone a
question and they want to go off and give you
the same answer that's unresponsive to the question.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
Well, I think maybe people are, you know, given the
circumstances of a call in radio show, they just want
to be sure they can make their point, so maybe
take it answer or twice.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I keep asking the question, hoping that and I understand
what you're saying. But it's like I'm trying to say, okay,
tell me, you know, he immediately goes, this is a
horrible mistake what we did. Oh, that's fine. What would
have you done? That's the problem. There's no easy answer. Okay,
even with all of the hindsight, there's still there's still
no easy answer. Once these people knocked down two towers
(22:26):
in New York City.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
But I'm not saying what Bush did or or or
what Obama continued or what I mean. What Biden did
on the withdrawal was just insane. To surrender eighty five
billion dollars worth of military equipment, uh and and to
and to basically leave the badgrum camp and try to
do the withdrawal out of Kapoul International Airport. What a
(22:54):
disaster that was. And there wasn't one military leader who
was fired.
Speaker 8 (22:59):
And people and a lot of people say that that
also in bold and Putin to invade Ukraine when he
saw that.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Sure, yes, sir, that was in August of twenty one
of twenty twenty one, and it was six months later
that Putin decided to go to Ukraine. So does this
bother you with the long range missiles? I just am
trying to figure this out, I said earlier tonight. Is
(23:27):
it possible. I'm going to ask you the question that
I was hoping people would would tune into. Is it possible,
in your opinion, John, that President Biden former President Trump
actually had a two hour meeting last Wednesday? Is it
possible that Biden and Trump have come up with a
good cop bad cop scenario where Biden going out the
(23:48):
door is going to be the bad cop. Give the
long range missiles to Ukraine, put some pressure on the Russians,
and Trump can commit and say to putin Look, you
know we're willing to back off here. If you're willing
to back you think that this is the foundation for
a way to colt that situation down on. Am I
too optimistic?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Well?
Speaker 8 (24:09):
I don't think so, because first of all, I don't
think Biden, his current mental state, is capable of anything
like that. And then if it's not Biden, then the
people around him I think are just such ideologue. I
don't think they would ever do a pragmatic deal with Trump.
So I don't think that's what's behind it. What I
(24:32):
think is behind it is the And again I don't
think Biden is making these decisions, but the people around him,
I think want to.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I think that's pretty clear.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
But I think they're trying to make things as hard
as possible for Trump to make a deal. But I
don't think that this will have any impact because I
think Zelenski, seeing that Trump's coming in in a couple
of months, I don't think he would want to use
those missiles, you know, which I think would alienate Trump.
(25:05):
And I think on the Russian side, I think Putin
would prefer to wait instead of triggering World War three.
I'd rather wait to see what Trump has on the
table when Trump gets in the office. But I did
you said, you said how people reacted to what Tom
and Dorchester was saying.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I know Tom and Dorchester took attack. Then I gave
him plenty of time, and it gave Steve plenty of time,
and both of them they were looking to make a
speech as opposed to engage in a conversation. And what
I try to do, I just go. I always try
to give people the benefit of the doubt, and it's
not the right thing to do for the audience. So
I apologize that you had to wait this long.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
Oh, no problem. But I think I think Tom put
his finger on a very big part of it, and
that is the the the ethnic Russian slant on the thing,
because if if you look back in the twentyth century,
when empires break down and split up into individual countries,
(26:06):
you get different ethnicities kind of caught within national borders
where they're not a majority, and it really causes tremendous problems.
I mean, I could just a few examples up after
World War One, when you had the Greek Turkish War
that ended up in you know, massive ethnic transverse Greeks
(26:28):
from Turkey and Turks from Greece. And then of course
world War Two you had the Sudatean land where you
had a lot of Germans were caught within the borders
of the newly found country of Czechoslovakia. And then of
course after World War Two you had Russia moved basically
(26:48):
moved Poland hundreds of miles to the west, and the
Poles that were in the new part of Russia, well
it was Ukraine, but they were settled in Silesia, which
was you know, taken over by Poland and the Germans
were kicked out. So anyway, historically I think it's you see,
(27:09):
these these ethnic conflicts are just really drive politics.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I'll tell you, great perspective I learned something from this
phone call, and it's a thoughtful phone call. I really appreciated.
That's best call of the night. John. Well, okay, you're
a gentleman. You're a gentleman. Yeah. They're all good in
the wrong way. It's just for me frustrating because I
(27:35):
hate to say to people. I don't like to be
rude and say to someone answer my Darren question, you know.
I mean, that's that's all. Hey, John, I'll let you run.
Thank you much, appreciate it very much. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 8 (27:44):
Okay, Okay, damn bye bye bye bye.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Okay, I'm gonna take no. I'm going to go to
Jack and Newton. He's not gonna have to wait any longer. Jack,
I got three minutes, four minutes before you go ahead, Jack.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Hi, Jack, Cordermer. I'll answer your question directly. I think
it's very risky. What what Biden is extremely risky. And
maybe he, you know, he's kind of felt that Ukraine,
you know, meets to defend itself and the Ukrainian people,
and I'm a Ukrainian you know, will fight to the end.
(28:18):
But I tell you, I think what Trump will do
is he wants to solve this problem. He's gonna, you know,
travel to Moscow. They'll say, look at mister Putin, you
stop the bombing, you stop it. And I will try
to convince Lensky to give.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Up some land.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
That's it, a little land. You stop the bombing. They
have to stop because you know, I have a stepdaughter
in Ukraine and two beautiful grandchildren, and I call them
tonight and they have no electricity. It's gonna it's getting
harder and harder. They don't have enough soldiers. There's a
lot of things going on. They're great fighters, we are
(28:54):
great fighters. I'm an Ukrainian. That they have to stop doing.
And I think Trump will that's what he'll do, should
do that.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
It would be ironic if again, you know, he said
he could stop it. Let's see if he can, because
obviously it's in everyone's interest to stop it. I mean,
I just in terms of the people who have died.
I guess the Russians are losing two to three thousand
soldiers a day, which is an incredible number of soldiers.
And they brought they brought in ten thousand North.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
Korean troops exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
That blows my mind.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Putin has no support for this war in Russia. They
don't want this war. Nobody wants this war.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I saw the video tonight of the North Korean troops
getting their equipment and their supplies. I'm thinking myself, Wow,
oh that's that's a stunning I mean it's the Hermit
Kingdom has sent ten thousand troops to Russia to fight Ukraine.
I can't even get my head around that now, Jack,
(29:56):
I mean seriously.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Well, Biden should travel to Moscow, which he won't because
he's old, he's sick, and say, look at this is Dell.
He stopped the bombing. And I'll trump to Zelenski he
should take control of the situation and not leave it
to blink. And but I don't think it's going to happen.
Trump will have to do the job. You'll have to
go directly at to and say, look it, stop the
(30:20):
damn war. I will convince Elenski to give up some
lamp and that's hopefully will.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Be the st What happens if if Trump is successful, uh,
and he gets the Nobel Peace Prize, people's heads will
blow up.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Look at as they're saying, Hebrew color cvote all honors
to him.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
If he gets there will be people Uh, in new
and he'll be walking down the street. Who heads will explode?
I don't know. I don't know. Hey, Jack, thank you
very much. A great call. Uh, really good perspective. I
think we're kind of on the same page on this. Okay.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
Yeah, well it's not an easy thing to sell.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, no doubt, no, Thanks Jack, Talk soon, good night,
take a quick break. I got Bob and Ingham, Barrier Newton,
I got some room for you. I can sneak in a
couple more people in here. Bob and Barry are gonna
be great, I hope, and I'd like to hear from you.
And ladies. I don't know where you are tonight, but
you're not participating in the This is a matter of
(31:28):
war and peace, and I think women have always had
a perspective that needs to be heard. I can only
offer the phone six one, seven, two, five, four ten
thirty or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
We'll come right back on night Side.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Now bent to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Sight Studios. I'm dumbing Bzy news radio.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Okay, phones lit up, Let's go to Barron Newton. Barry
gonna ask you to give it to me as six
sinkly as you can, my friend.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
And yes it's book. So Barry, how are you?
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (32:00):
I succinctly is the last fellow was very well spoken,
nah with historical analogies. Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Both John and North Carolina and Jack and in Newton
also was good.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
It was good tonight, go ahead, seem like it's a
sample the other up to college before we're example. Maybe
people are not going along with this war of ours.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
I was a very opposed to the war in Vietnam
when I was a young man. Tonight, I uh like
before I talked to you, had, especially with my sister,
like why are we doing this? You're pretty reckless to
uh the Bible to do this at the last minute
with the missiles. And then uh, then I thought, well,
maybe when you said it's true, maybe they talked about
(32:51):
it and this is uh a strategy. He had a
grin that was positively beatific almost.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
When he met that word. I love that word.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Either that he is a cat that ain't the canary.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yes, something's going on.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
We don't know, don't We don't know what.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I just hope it isn't.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Reckless. But the point is that we have gone against
Russia partially thirty the Democrats. Things have turned around. The
Democrats have opposed Russia almost to the point of a
new Cold War since twenty sixteen, when Hillary found it
(33:33):
convenient to you exploit the issue.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Oh yeah, and and Trump, if Trump pulls it off,
he'll be he'll be a peacemaker.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
I don't think you'll get the Nobel Prize somehow, even
if he got them to do the kumbay r on
the screw.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Well, you're probably right. But but if he if he
was able to get to end this, and then I
don't think he will. But if he did, he should
get the Nobel Prize because it's been the biggest a question.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Well, why did Trump escalate it himself? From uh, President
Obama didn't send them lethal weapons and then Trump did.
President Obama said his vice president over there to be
point man who did some funny things, uh with money,
our money, and then his son was in there getting
(34:25):
extra money. It is very very fishy. And then Trump
came in and escalated it. Well at the same time,
they asked if he should negotiate, Well, no, we don't
want them to negotiate. Why are we doing this? Why
do you think we're pushing this war so much.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
It's a proxy war for the United States against Russia.
Speaker 7 (34:44):
So we've learned. Like Jim Johnson said, he would say,
don't Wannie, we American boys do the job. Ukrainian boys
should be doing.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Something like that. Maybe I got to keep rolling here.
I got three before I got to get to it again.
Thanks man, soon Bobs didn't hang him. Bob got to
be quick for me. We're getting lake.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Go ahead, Bob, I will dare.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
I think Biden should just forget about it sending them.
I think Putin already gave the message. He said, if
you send him, that's that's an act of war. If
we two weeks ago, So why push the buttons? Let
me just leave it. You're being spiteful or you're being foolish.
(35:27):
You know, the guy can't even find his way out
of out of the rain the rain forest. You saw
what he did. He walked in the woods. Come on,
it's too dangerous. This is dangerous.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Well, that's exactly why I'm talking about it tonight.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
You know you at least world War three.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, problem with World War three. The problem with World
War three is there probably will not be a World
War four.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Yes, I agree, that's why I'm telling he needs to
stop and his people under him, whoever was pushing his button,
because it ain't him. They need to stop. To just
leave it alone for now, sixty eight. It's Trump's problem.
Let him handle it.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, thank you. It will be too much.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
He sent. But if he sends them missiles, Trump, I mean,
Putin's gonna have to stand for it. He said what
he said. He's he's kind of a man of his words.
He said something he doesn't All right.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Thanks, Bob, hey, but I'll give you more time. I
get you in late. But we're pre much. Thank you much. Okay,
two quick ones, ron in Weymouth, ron next on, Nice,
I go ahead.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I'll make it quick.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
The Curse of Biden. It's the last stitch effort to
keep the Democratic Party alive and the minds of somebody,
some people out there. It's a little too much, too late,
that's all it is. It's not going to work. Uh,
they want us, they they this is the beginning, of course,
before Trump takes office. This is the beginning of the
(37:02):
scatter brains that they're gonna bomb bottom all during his term.
But it ain't gonna work. All the Democratic parties they're
just naughty little kids, and Trump has already spanked them
all and now he's going to put them to bed. Okay,
so I'll let the other person ahead of me, Now
tell the rest.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Of the story.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
All right, Thanks, Ryan, appreciate it. Yeah, nobody, talk to
you soon, Eileen. You're going to wrap the hour for
so much time.
Speaker 11 (37:27):
Rob Okay, Well, you wanted a woman to call, and
I think.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
The ladies have been very quiet on this. We have
only one other women called, which surprises me because on
issues of war and peace, I think women play a
very important role.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Well.
Speaker 11 (37:46):
I think war is abhorrent and one of the reasons
that I could not vote for Biden or Kamala Harris
was Biden has been through his whole term focused on war.
War isn't going to win us anything. And I hope
(38:07):
Trump wins the Nobel Peace Prize. I hope that he'll
get in there and stop all of the people who
want to wage war.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah. I mean, it's going to be interesting to see
what Putin does if one of those missiles really strikes
close to Moscow. I well, I need I'm going to
try to figure out the distance between Kiev and Moscow.
Go ahead, you continue to make your point, and I
appreciate that you called.
Speaker 11 (38:40):
No, I made my point. I think. I just I
think Biden, through his whole term in office, has been
focused on war, and I think it's disgusting. And Kamala
Harris was headed the same route, and I'm glad. I'm
so glad she was so royally defeated because I think
(39:04):
most people in this country don't want war. And that's
all I really have to say.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Well, not a problem. I appreciate it, Eileen, Thank you
much for your call.
Speaker 11 (39:21):
Thank you for leving me say something.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
You sure did appreciate it. I'm trying to figure out
here the distance between Moscow and Russia, which I probably
shouldn't have tried to do. But let me see what
I can do from Kiev to Moscow. Let's see what
(39:46):
happens here. I just think that it'll be interesting. These
missiles supposedly can go one hundred and ninety five miles. Oh,
it's actually longer four four sixty nine. So the missiles
will not be able to reach Moscow. They could reach troops,
Russian troops in a variety of locations within what's called
(40:10):
the Crisk region of Russia. So we'll see how this
plays out. A couple of a couple of programming notes here.
We have the college Admissions panel coming up on Monday night,
December ninth, at eight o'clock. All your college potential applicants, sons, daughters,
(40:31):
grandchildren should be aware and should be listening, and we
will wrap the hour tonight. I want to thank everyone
who called, even those who I yelled at, Sorry about that,
and those who good calls, bad calls. All calls are welcome.
All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's
why Pal Charlie raised were passed sixteen years ago in February.
That's where fourteen years are going for me. That's where
(40:52):
all your pets are who have passed. They loved you,
you love them. I do believe you'll see them again.
See again tomorrow night on Night's side, have a great Tuesday, everybody.
Thank you Rob Brooks, thank you for up
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