November 25, 2024 • 40 mins
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In week 12 of the 2024 NFL season, the Miami Dolphins defeated the New England Patriots 34 to 15 in Miami. It was a rough game for Pats Nation to say the least, a game that comes during an already losing season for the Pats so far. Can the Patriots get any worse? Sportswriter Paul Perillo joined Gary to discuss the Patriots and their season thus far!
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In week 12 of the 2024 NFL season, the Miami Dolphins defeated the New England Patriots 34 to 15 in Miami. It was a rough game for Pats Nation to say the least, a game that comes during an already losing season for the Pats so far. Can the Patriots get any worse? Sportswriter Paul Perillo joined Gary to discuss the Patriots and their season thus far!
Ask Alexa to play WBZ NewsRadio on #iHeartRadio and listen to NightSide with Dan Rea Weeknights From 8PM-12AM!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBS Boston's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you, Anne Paul pro one of my favorite people.
Joining us see from Patriot Football Weekly WBC's Nightside, Gary
Tangling for Dan Ray. Uh so, what do you think
about Trump, Paul Paulie, I gotta tell you, I am
I We're gonna talk football, We're gonna talk about the
entire NFL. But I just I don't watch politics and
(00:28):
I'm here, I am on WBC Radio, and that's the
last thing I should probably be saying. And I just
had two great conversations with people that do it, but
like I can't after the election, I just can't do it.
I'm just I get a migraine.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
It was tiring, I have to The election season was
very tiring. I'll tell you that. I mean, I'm not
the most Yeah, I'm not the most political guy either,
but you know, obviously it's you know, it's a pretty
relevant election and uh and it was. It was a
lot going through. It was a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah. I mean, you're a smart guy. You know, you're
well d you know what's going on. And I'm not
going to ask you who you voted for or anything
like that, but I mean, it was just nuts. I mean,
there's definitely an exhaustion. And now when people say, oh
the God Trump won, it's the end of the world.
It's not the end of the world. We're gonna be fine.
Everything is going to be fine. It's not the end
of the world. Jesus.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, God, there's a lot of overreactions on both sides.
That's a big part of the problem.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
That is a major part of the problem. So Paul, Paul,
how are you doing this season? Because you've been with
the Patriots f I first met you when you were
with the Herald. How long have you been with the
Patriots and Patriots dot com?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, since nineteen ninety nine. You know, Pete Carroll's last
year's is I think the twenty sixth season, and you
know you're asking, you know, how we're doing. It's you know, listen,
people aren't going to be holding any you know, gofundmes
or anything for us. But it's been a different season
than a difficult one. You know, they haven't played well.
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They haven't played well for the last couple of seasons.
And you know, right now, you come off a game
like like yesterday's and you know, it just doesn't really
seem like there's as much of a light at the
end of the tunnel beyond Drake May and and obviously
that's not enough.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, we can get into the extras and os and
all that stuff, but I mean, what's you're feeling when
you walk around town or you know, do people care
like they used to? Is there is there a hatred
or I shouldn't even say a hatred because the Red Sox,
when the Red Sox would lose, people would just go bananas,
you know. Yeah, I don't get that same type of
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feeling with the Pats.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, I don't think it is either. You know, there
was nothing kind of like that, you know, that Red
Sox doom. But I would say it's not a hatred.
I think it's more of just a disappointment and a
frustration right now with you know, you saw how good
it could be for so long and now I think
people are just looking at it as you know, it's
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almost hopeless right now, and there's just not a lot
of things going well. You know, I think there's some
there's some questions out the you know, the the newness
of everything, the new regime, and you know, there's a
lot of first year there's a lot of first year
guys doing things for the first time, so there's growing
pains that come with that, and you know, I think
there's a lot of frustration on the fans part. I
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don't necessarily sense a lot of hatred. I just think,
you know, the Dolphins game in particular, I thought was
kind of just sort of a very frustrat I think
people felt like they were beyond those kinds of performances.
You know, they they hadn't gotten to the point where
they were a playoff contender or anything like that. But
I think you watched that, you know, the they beat
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the Jets, they beat the Bears, you know, in between
they had a game against you know who was it,
the Rams that you know obviously went down to the
last possession of the game, and I think people felt like, Okay,
well they're competing, they're showing some signs of life. Offensively,
you could see a track where they were they were
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getting toward respectability, and I think a lot of that
took a huge step backwards down in South Florida on
Sunday and it wasn't overly competitive, and I think there's
a lot of frustration over that.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well, this is what I think when I was watching
the game is for the first time since I'm gonna
say before, look, I remember Rod Rust.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Unfortunately I do too, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I mean I remember Rod Rust and Sam was the
GM from the University of Miami. I forgot his last name,
and then yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and then Dick McPherson
is like, you know, and I'm not talking about losers
like losers like losing games. I'm just talking about I
looked at that team on Sunday and I thought, Okay,
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these guys are just like losers. I mean losers, losers,
like do you even care? Can you even put in
an effort? I saw a team that quit. I think
the offensive line is just ill equipped. I mean fifty
nine whoever hell that guy's name is. I mean, in
the old days, he would have been gone. I mean
he three penalties off the top, and you know, but
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the defense, I just thought that they quit. And that's
when I say, like, like, losers like these are not
at the level I think of dedication that we're accustomed
to for a Patriot player. I mean, look, you know,
you can have guys that aren't talented, but there was
always an effort. I mean Russ Holstein is not a
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pro bowler, but you know there are guys that just
got buy on effort. I didn't even see that pole.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
That's that. I mean, there was And that's part of
what I'm talking about with the frustration level. And I
don't know necessarily that it was effort as much as
it was just poor play, you know, and certainly the
discipline and whatnot has been lacking to focus, the attention
to detail. Too many penalties, too many pre snap penalties.
You said the thing, you know, fifty nine, you're talking
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about Venerian Low. He's really I mean, he really struggled yesterday.
He had a just a bad game. When he wasn't
jumping off side, he was given up pressure on the outside.
So it was not it was not good enough in
any really in any phase of the game. And defensively
they just had no answers. So I think that's where
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the frustration comes in. You're not really competitive on either
side of the ball against a four and sixteen, you know,
it's it's not like Miami came in at you know
ten and one detroit lyons that are you know, running
rough shot over everybody. This was a team that that was,
you know, sort of a middler, and they made you
look like you were you were really one of the
bottom teams.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I mean the quarterback is average at best.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, well he's not average against the Patriots in his career.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I mean I looked at the seven and O, I said,
you've got to be kiddyy. First of all, I feel
bad for the guy. I don't think he should play.
I think he's not going to know what he is
when he's forty, and I wish he wouldn't play. But
that's a whole other story. That's obviously his decision and
how he makes a living. But look for that guy
to light you up. I mean, that's it. That's just embarrassing.
It's just it's just so. Here's my thing, though, is
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you know, and I listen. I know they're on another company,
but you know, I'm listening to Mike and Tony and
all of my old cronies there in sports radio, and
they got a job to do, like they like, they
keep telling you it's today, Paul. We have to do
a show today, Paul, we have a show today. Here's
my thing. I'm very patient, and after leaving the business
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full time, I'm a much kinder and gentler person. I
was never I'm so relaxed. I gotta be honest with you,
I really am. I don't miss any of it. I
don't miss having to try to come up with a
come up with a a confrontation, if you will, or
a controversy. I just believe what really screwed them is
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Belichick left the cover dry. I mean, if you go
back and you look at what Bill did after Brady left,
they just and obviously he got in a pisson match
because he didn't like the quarterback right, and then he
put his guys in his offensive coordinators. And I just
think it's going to take time to recover from the
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mess that Bill left.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of truth
to that. Listen, the roster is what it is, and
and a lot of the roster problems fall on Belichick
because of quite frankly, some very poor drafting over the
last you know, call it eight or ten years. Oh yeah,
and it's and it's just it's the reason one of
the one of the biggest reasons obviously the biggest reason
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is Tom Brady, but one of the biggest reasons they
were able to staining what they did for so long
was just year after year of being able to replace
guys in the draft with comparable or at times better players.
You know, you're able to plug in, you know, Nate
Solder is a first round pick for Matt Light and
you're able to you know, just sort of keep the
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train moving in the right direction. And that I could
give you that example at twenty different spots over the years,
you know, just finding a Logan Mankins to put on
the offensive line prout of the first round, you know,
and replacing guys who go you know, go on to
separate ways. And they just haven't been able to do
that in the last let's call it seven years. They
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consistently have missed on draft picks and that's really set
them back, and that falls on Belichick. He was in
charge of all of that. The roster right now is
really lacking in a lot of different areas. That's the
one silver lining. You know, we talked about this on
our post game show yesterday. The one silver lining to
being a team in the situation that they're in is
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that you're going to have a top five picks. It's
really advantageous to be able to pick absolutely anything. And
the only thing that they will not be looking for
in the top five is a quarterback, right, because they are.
You know, obviously they just took one. But you can
really do the old adage and a lot I know
a lot of teams say they like to said, well
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we take the best player available. A lot of teams
say that. Most of them don't necessarily mean it. You
take the best player at the position that you need
the most, right, and that's not always the same thing. Well,
the Patriots can legitimately take the best player because it
almost has to be at a position of need. I
mean whether it's offensive tackle, wide receiver, cornerback, edge rusher, linebacker.
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I mean, they need a lot of stuff. And as
you said, Gary, it all stems from the roster that
was left behind by Belichick and there's just not enough talent.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I remember the great Clark Booth. I remember this interview
when he said, and he went across the board, he
went the Bruins, Harry Sindon got old, Celtics Red got old. Yeah,
and I don't want to listen. At this stage of
my life, I've been victimized by agism. I'm not I
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don't want to go crazy on this, but Bill obviously
did not put the same attention to d tail into
drafting or rely on his people the way he did
in the past. That's just a fact. He just wanted,
you know, he listened. He from what I heard that
he didn't listen to his people, that he would listen
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to people from other organizations.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, I mean, I do think he sort of started
to fall into sort of going off of some of
his trusted coaches. You know, he would go to Alabama
with Nick Saban, he'd go Florida, you know, to other
you know, to other urban Meyer back, yes, at Florida,
And that's how he would do a lot of his
his evaluations. He would take the you know, the opinions
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of guys that he trusted and run with him. And
that's where some of the missteps came from. Now, that
doesn't explain it all away either. I mean, I just
feel like there were probably a lot of sort of
questionable picks over the years that didn't really come back
and hurt them as much because Tom Brady was was
here to kind of make everything look better, and you know,
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when he left, I think that exposed a lot of
things and I think quite frankly, Belichick was one of them.
You know, I think he's a great coach. I maintained
that even last year, you know, going four and thirteen.
I never just said to myself, boy, this guy just
can't coach at all. I think that looking back, it
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probably had a little bit more to do with Brady
than any of us thought at the time. But you
can't just ignore it. Like the personnel decisions were awful,
I think some of the free agent decisions were awful,
and you know, the decisions to let guys go and
whatnot that weren't always the right ones. It's not an
easy thing to do what they did for twenty years.
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You know, it sounds like we're beating them up now,
but what they did for twenty years is very hard
to repeat. And you know, that's why people are looking
at Kansas City right now, because you know what I mean,
they're on their way to about what a decade or
so of that, and they're not even halfway there. They're
not even halfway there to what the Patriots did. And
that's why I think people are so enamored with Andy
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Reid and Patrick Mahomes right now, because they're wondering, can
they possibly do anything that would approach what Belichick.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And Brady did well. Andy Reid was a bust until
he got the quarterback, and so wasn't Belichick. All right, Paul,
can you hang on? I got a couple more questions
for you.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Okay, Paul Parola joining us here from Patriots dot Com.
You're on WBZ, Gary Tangwayne from Nightside.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
All right, Paul Parolo joining us here from Patriots dot Com.
Gary Tangway for Dan tonight. I want to talk about
Mayo the coach. And this is one of the benefits
of not being in the media every day, Paul, is
that I can sit there and say I want him
to be the coach because I like him. I think
he's a nice man. I love him. I love Gerard Mayo.
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I worked with him, you were you know, we all
worked with them out of you know, Comcast and an
NBC Sports Boston. He's a wonderful person. He's a great guy.
I want him to win. How long of it? How
long can he last?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah? So, I mean I think there's a lot of
suit to that. I think that we all sort of
enjoy uh, you know, talking to him the processes is
much more enjoyable with him than it was with Bill.
But ultimately, none of that's gonna matter. He can't coach,
and you know, I think that clearly, you know, the
Crafts have made a commitment to him, So you know,
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I think that it's you know, a ridiculous long shot
to expect him to be in trouble now. But how long,
you know, I don't know. If there's no sign if
we're sitting at this time next year and there's no
signs of improvement, then you're gonna you're gonna have some
decisions to make because you can't just keep going down
that road. But right now, I think that they believe
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in girod MAO. I agree with your assessment of him.
From a personal standpoint. I enjoy sort of talking to
him a little bit and covering him more so. But
bottom line is it's a results oriented business. He says
it all the time, and if they don't start winning games,
it doesn't matter how nice of a guy he is.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Well, I know that he was doing well in the
business world, did very well, and I know some people
that worked with him. He was working for various corporations,
and when he went back as a coach, I wanted
to tell him, are you are of your mind? Are
you out of your mind? Because he was well on
his way to doing well financially in the corporate world.
I'm like, you're right, but it's a thing, you know,
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it's a bug. They got to do it. But it
seems to me he became head coach too early. I mean,
this happened ahead a schedule.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Correct, Well, I think it did. And you know, our
buddy Tom Kurran has said that often that I think
that the plan was for Bill to stick around for
another year and then transfer it, you know that way.
Maybe maybe if he had won enough games to have
you know, gotten that record, then maybe they would have revisited.
But the way that it all unfolded, I would say,
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is a year ahead of time, no question.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So I don't know how we can judge him. And
also what kind of control did he had him on
hiring the staff, We don't know was it He is
called with the offensive coordinator. He often refers to the
offense as a whole, separate part of the team. He's
a defensive minded coach. He was a terrific player as
a linebacker, but the defense sucks. And then you know,
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some of my friends have been getting on the front
office and I'm like, look, chill on the front office here.
They've only had one draft. So I don't know how
you can judge Girod Mayo right now. I don't know
how you can't.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, I don't. I mean, listen, it's one year in
and not even one full year in. But I mean,
I will say the stuff that has happened so far
is not overly promising, you know, and that starts with
the off season. They had some money to spend in
free agency, and they chose to spend the majority of
it on resigning their own guys, and you know, I
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think that you could question some of the moves that
they made. And then you look at the draft, and
certainly Drake may looks you know, really promising is the
third overall pick, and then you'd be hard pressed to
find another pick right now that falls into this promising category.
So so far, you know, with Mayo and wolfs that,
you know, I don't think it's looked great. I think
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that you look at the offensive line and realize they
really didn't even attempt to sign a tackle, A left
tackle is you know, it doesn't exist on the roster,
So I think that was a misstep. So if you're
going to bring in a young quarterback and ask him
to play but yet not really address the offensive line,
I think there's a flaw in that approach. And we've
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seen it. You know, we saw it especially yesterday with
with the you know, with May running around, and we've
seen it a lot. He's run for his life and
I think he's got seven starts now under his belt,
and the vast majority of those he has spent avoiding
pressure and trying to run around making plays with his
legs as much as he has with his arms. So yeah,
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I mean it's one year. I'm not ready to pull
the plug on it, but it hasn't been off to
a promising start.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Let's talk about May. The interception at the end of
the game, Well, in the fourth quarter, I think with
about five minutes to go, looked like they maybe could
get back into the situation. Was very frustrating. But at
the same time, the guy who was under attack all
day and he was just trying to make a play.
Can we survive? I mean, look, it's obvious he can
be a good NFL quarterback, all right, and he's better.
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He's a good player. I think we all can see that.
How good he's going to be I have no idea,
but he's a really good player. Can he survive the rebuild?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, he's I think he's certainly a very talented guy
who has the ability to make throws and make plays
at a high level. We've seen it already in bits
and pieces. He's going to have to develop. He's going
to have to cut down on the turnovers, you know,
for sure. I think he's got twelve turnovers.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Were letting him off the hook with that again, because
a lot of the times we'll say, well it's you know,
he's a rookie, doesn't have any help.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, So I would look at turnovers in different ways,
Like you know, yesterday the game, I thought the turnovers
were irrelevant. Yesterday, as an example, they were down thirty
they were down thirty one nothing. They hadn't turned the
ball over at all.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, they couldn't stop anybody, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
So they couldn't stop them, and they couldn't move the ball.
They're in the fourth quarter, down thirty one nothing, they're
no turnovers. So I just look at this as you know,
it's it's sort of part of part of the maturation
process for a young quarterback. He's got to learn, you know,
late and you know they're in the second half. He's
desperately trying to fight to make plays. The stripsack can't happen.
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That's a bad, bad play by Drake May trying to
almost use a swim move with the ball in his
hand and going over the top. That's that's just recklessness
with the ball. And that's not going to work at
any level. So he's going to have to learn when
he can and can't try to make those plays and try.
I don't not do too much. The turnovers are a problem.
He's got too Manch. I think he's got seven picks
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and five fumbles, you know, in the games that he started. Again.
I don't put all of them on him. I think
there's there's been a problem with the protection first and foremost.
And I don't think the offensive I mean, I don't
think the offensive skill position guys you know, have been
great either. I don't think the guys has done a
whole lot. I don't think they've done a whole lot
to help him out. However, all that said, I watched
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the first three quarters yesterday and that's about as ordinary
as May has looked. So he's going to have to
get better.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Four interceptions by Tom Brady. I remember that when in Denver. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it happened me. Brady had some stinkers, but
obviously he had a team around him that could support him,
and May just doesn't have that. But I'm worried about
the guy being shell shocked and having his career ruined.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Am I being too dramatic?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, that's a little Gary Tangway dramatic.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You know, Gary Tangway doesn't do that anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I don't do that anymore, But I will say this,
tanger you know, some of the stuff I saw yesterday,
it is kind of concerning along those lines. I thought
he did look like a guy who was trying to
do too much and you know, sort of getting affected
by what was around him. You know, the protection wasn't
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holding up, and there were times that he was sort
of assuming that the pressure that the protection wouldn't hold up,
and he was taken off. So absolutely, I you know,
is there a fear that you know, his his development
gets stunted a little bit? By the lack of talent
around him. Yeah, that's got to be a concern. I
don't necessarily worry about it right now, but you know,
it's something to keep an eye on. I don't think
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he looked as good yesterday as he did certainly the
week before against the Rams. I said, I would say
the Rams is the best game that he's played so far,
and I would say yesterday was the worst.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Paula, I need you for one more segment. I want
to talk about the rest of the NFL. Are you good?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
All right? All right, I'll tell you. You're killing me.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
You're killing please. Oh my god, I'm overworking him, Paul Perillo.
We're gonna work him one more, one more segment about
the rest of the NFL after this on WBC's Night Side.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
It's Night Side with Ray on w Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Okay, he's got to go to bed soon. Paul Perillo,
here with us the rest of the NFL. So Dan Campbell,
I remember when this guy was a joke with the Dolphins,
right and we thought when he took it, when the
Lions hired him, what are they doing? And here we.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Are now they're the best team in football and.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I'm rooting for him. I'm I have to. I'm rooting
for him. Look, Kansas City's great. Somebody said to me
the other day. My wife was like, you know, Mahomes,
he's perfect. I go, he is. He's just a great guy.
But I'm rooting for the Lions.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It's hard not to. You know, it's an organization that
has really not had any success, and now you know,
they're sitting at ten and one, and they have been
there before, and they have as good a chance as
anybody to get it done. With Campbell, you know, I
still don't necessarily believe in him, But no, I don't,
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and I really think yeah, And I think he cost
his team a trip to the Super Bowl last year,
to be honest with you, with some of the decisions
that he made. I thought he was emotional in the
NFC Championship Game and the hottest team in unnecessary trouble.
But I do think he does a great job of
motivating the team. I think that he is obviously cut
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in a mold where his team plays in that style.
It's the old cliche of sometimes teams take on the
personality of their coach, and I think the Lions certainly
fit that they have a physical, run oriented offense that
can also throw the ball, and they're starting to get
better and better on defense. But yeah, I think it's
the talent on the roster that they've done a great
job of assembling. And at the same time, I think
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they have really good coordinators, particularly on offense with Ben Johnson.
I think they have one of the most imaginative and
versatile offenses in football. And I think the record shows.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Is this the year Buffalo kicks the door in.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
You know, it's funny. I don't think this is as
talented a Buffalo team as we've seen, but Josh Allen
just plays at a different level. And I just I'm
I'm such a believer in him. And I saw him
come into Foxborough as a rookie and he was so raw,
and he got so much criticism because he was so
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wild with some of his throws. But I looked at
him and I just said, you know, this guy is
really he has unbelievable skills and you could see it
even when he wasn't ready to play as a rookie.
And to see where he is now and you know
he's still you know, it is susceptible to a mistake
here or there, but he's really cut back on the interceptions.
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I mean, I don't know if you watched any of
that Kansas City game, you know, last week, but you know,
he just he just turns into Superman, you know, when
he needs it. And you know, it's a fourth and two,
they're up by two, and they know a field goal
is not going to do him much good. To make
it five and give the Mahomes the ball back and
he just takes the ball and he runs for the
first down and he just wasn't going to be denied.
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He ends up in the end zone, putting that game away.
And yeah, is this the year they pushed the door down?
I give them is as good a shot as anybody.
I mean, Kansas City, it's hard to bet against them
in the playoffs. I think Baltimore is extremely talented, especially
on offense, but for whatever reason they've been struggling. It's
it's going to be one of those three teams in
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my mind. And yeah, I mean why not Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Well, when I look at Kansas City and the fact
that they, you know, snuck out a win this past week,
are they on borrowed time?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah, you know, they kind of look a little like
the Patriots sort of toward the end, you know, like
that last title they had. Any team, you know, there
was a lot of games that you sort of looked
and said, like, I'm not sure this team has it
this year, but you know who's going to bet against
them in an important game. And that's the way I
look at Kansas City, And as long as you have
Patrick Mahomes, I think you have a good chance to
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win the game. I think they're well coached, and the
defense is really good too. Now it didn't play all
that great yesterday against Carolina, but you know, they look
a little bit like a team that sort of knows
where they're going to be in January and they're kind
of just playing these games out. We need to win
enough of these games to get where we need to go.
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But they have a look of sort of one of
those teams that's ready to turn it on and off.
They played a lot of football garry the last couple
of years. We saw that were on the Patriots as well,
right when they were winning titles and going to Super
Bowls every year. I think that's a hard road when
you're playing all that extra football trying to three peat now,
I think there's a reason why no one's ever done it.
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I wouldn't bet against them, but I don't feel overly
confident even though their ten and one.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Also, you know, is Reid going to coach forever or
we keep hearing that maybe Belichick is waiting in the wings.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Now Belichick's not going to Kansas City, stopped stop it.
Andy Reid is going to coach that team. And I
think at least through Mahomes his prime. That's I mean,
I think that he is a really good He's a
guy he dragged Donovan McNabb to four straight NFC title games,
and I don't think Donovan McNabb is all that good.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
So we lead, we saw that.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Against the Pats and Jacksonville exactly. You know, Andy Reid,
I think is a is a really good coach. I
think he's really adapted with the times. And I think
that's some of the things that you would say, you
know about Belichick is maybe he wasn't able to to
sort of, you know, develop and change with the way
the game has changed over the years. I think Andy
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Reid has I think he he coaches in a different style.
He's by no means is he a player's coach. He's
a he's a he runs a tough, tough training camp.
But the player love playing for him and they win
a lot. So I don't think he's going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, the Patriots are rebuilding. It seems that Pittsburgh always
manages to stay in contention.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, yeah, I'm Pittsburgh. I've not been a believer in
And if you listen to my show on the other
station that you were talking about, right, I heard you
guys talking about Yeah Felders always making fun of me
about that. And you know, I just don't think they're
all that good. Now. I give them credit for finding
ways to win games. I think Mike Tomlin is very good.
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I think he's an excellent coach, and he's able to
generally beat the bad teams and find a way to
get enough wins that he's relevant. But I just don't
look at them as a threat to win, you know,
in the in the playoffs. I don't think that they're
as good as Kansas City or Buffalo or Baltimore, and
I would not give them much of a shot against
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any of those teams.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Polly, where did Minnesota come from?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
You know, there's another guy. I think that doesn't get
much and Kevin O'Connell about how good he is. But
I think he's an exceptional offensive coach. I think he's
got Brian Flores in now to run a very aggressive defense.
And again, you know, the thing is about this league,
in my opinion, Gary, is that I don't think there
are a lot of good teams.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
The chances are you play. You play a schedule where
you're gonna have ten or twelve games that you should
be able to win if you're reasonably well coached and
have a reasonable amount of talent. I would say Minnesota qualifies.
You know, they have a veteran quarterback in Sam Donald,
who obviously has some ability as a former number three
overall pick. You have justin Jefferson, Jordan Adison, received TJ.
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Hawkins in the tight end. You know they they have
talent on the roster offensively, and then you have an
aggressive defense that goes out and makes plays and you play.
You know, you beat Chicago, and you know you beat
a couple of teams that you probably should be and
you know, before you know what, you look up and
you're nine to two and you're like, well, have you
be anybody any good. It doesn't matter. You don't play
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anybody that's all that good.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I agreed, agreed you No, at the.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
End of at the end of the day, I think
the Pittsburgh of the of the NFC. To be honest
with you, the Vikings, I don't think they're all that good.
I don't think they'll stack up against the Philadelphia or
Detroit in a playoff game. But you know what, nine
and two is nine and two. I can't I can't
say that they haven't won any games, because that's a
pretty good record.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Paul, thanks for coming on. I really appreciate it. Paul Parolo,
the Great Paul Parolosunshine dot com.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Ch just mean I get to go back and watch
the rest of Lincoln Lawyer.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Now, oh that's your thing? Oh? Is that the series
on Amazon? Are you talking about the McConaughey movie.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
No, not the movie, the series.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Is it any good? Do you like it?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah? It's good, it's good.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah. I get my wife watches that. I gotta get
on that. Paul, Thanks for coming on. I appreciate it.
Enjoy your holiday. Do you have plans? Do you catch
a high school game on Thursday?
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I do my son's last one ever at Bishop Centwick
against Saint Mary's Wednesday night, in my last high school
game ever.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh my god, the tiers are gonna be flown. What
position does he play?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
He's a guard?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
God love him man.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
All right, yeah, he starts that guard. So yeah, we're
looking forward to it, and you know, a little bittersweet,
but yeah, it's been a fun ride.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Well now you can take in those college offers.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Saban's online one. All right, Paul DAGs, all right, Tanger,
appreciate it, buddy. Paul Parolo the Great, he's the best.
Joining us here on WBZ night said as I told
you we're gonna get We're gonna keep things light. We
went from Trump and politics and Kamala right into the
Patriots in the NFL talk. And he's right. You know,
the NFL is is there are not a lot of
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great teams. There really aren't. You know. To me, you
got Kansas City and you got Buffalo, and then you
got Detroit. I don't know about Philly. Philly's nine and two.
Those are your three teams right now. I think it
comes down to Detroit, Kansas City and Buffalo. That's it.
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Those are the three. The rest. Hey, Hey, you know
what I'm saying. Eh, I'll give you some thoughts on
the Patriots. Drum Mayo, We're going to change gears. Andy
Grasch joins us frying a turkey and other crazy Thanksgiving
recipes on the way, coming up with ten here on
wbz's Nightside.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
So my thoughts on the New England Patriots right now
and Gion Mayo. I worked with the guy at NBC
Sports Boston, and he's the best. You're not going to
find a better person. I'm rooting like hell for him.
I don't think he has the tools. I don't think
he has the roster, and he's also following a freaking legend,
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a legend in Bill Belichick, who also had a legend
at quarterback in Tom Brady. I do think that Gerard
has to take control of the team. I don't know
if he's viewed as like the head coach. I don't
really understand the relationship he has with his offensive coordinator.
It's like he has the defense and they have the offense.
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Look if Drake may has a good relationship with his
OC and that works. That's fine, But I do wonder
if Gerard has taken the approach where you're just too nice.
You know, we've gone through we go through cycles in life,
whether it's football or whether it's running an office or
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an organization, where we want to be friendly, we want
to be liked, We want everybody to be comfortable, we
want everybody to be happy. But you can't always have success. Well,
quite frankly, you can't have success keeping everybody happy. You can.
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It doesn't matter whether you're running a football team, whether
you're running a business, whether you're running an organization, whether
you're teaching a class. You can't worry about keeping everybody happy.
And it seemed that the Patriots did a one to
eighty from the Bill Belichick way of doing things, which
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was Belichick coached via fear. I remember Jermaine Wiggins. He
said to Jermaine, Jermaine, if you don't make this block,
I will cut your ass tomorrow. And Bill would do it.
And I think this was before WIGGI had the big
AFC playoff game where he had all those catches in
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the Snowbowl. Bill would do it. Bill would if you
didn't make a play like There are definitely some guys
on this Patriot roster now, some receivers that can't catch
the ball that if Belichick was here, he would just
cut his ass. Now, boom, you're gone. You can't ca
hatch the ball for me, see you later. And I
thought the Patriots may do that. I thought we would
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see some of that after and we still may this week.
I don't know. After that embarrassment against Miami. You can't
coach and be the player's friend. You can't manage an
organization and be the boss and be the employee's friend.
You have to have respect for one another. But there
has to be a little bit of fear. That's what
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motivates people. There has to be a little bit of
fear that if I do a crappy job on the
show tonight, that I'm not going to get a call
to fill in for Dan Ray again. There has to
be You can't let people get too comfortable. I mean,
when I saw the Patriots and some of these wide
receivers complaining about not getting the football. Some of the
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diva I mean, wide receivers are divas anyways, they just are.
Troy Brown is probably the only one that really I
mean Troy Brown was never a diva. It's not in
his DNA. But he's probably the only receiver that has
not had that diva like attitude. To be in the
NFL and to be a receiver, you have to have
that diva like attitude. But you can't let it come through,
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you can't let it show. Anaman definitely had some diva
at him. He wanted the ball. He wanted the ball,
but he was tough as nails. He'd go across the middle,
He'll get his belt wrung. I mean, he definitely wanted
the ball. There's a diva in Edelman, and I say
that as a compliment. Definitely some diva in Gronk. I
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say that a compliment as well. Gronk wanted to protect
his body later on, and I understand that he kind
of had a tough go there for a while. But
there's got to be some fear. And I don't know
if the Patriots fear Mayo. And I want Mayo to succeed.
I can tell you that I have not wanted a
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coach to succeed more than Mayo. And I loved Frankcona.
I thought Terry Fracona is a you give me crank
he'd be talking it from his stall doing his business.
But I thought Frank Cohen was great. I loved it.
I thought he was awesome. And I don't think I
wanted a coach to succeed more than Mayo. I really don't.
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I mean, he's the best. Is he too nice? That's
what I wonder. I mean, one of the reasons why
Belichick was a great coach is he could be a
real a hole. He really could be. So couldn't Red
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so good in all of them? You know, you gotta
be tough. There's got do you instill the fear into
your players? I mean Reed does? I mean, definitely, Andy
Reid does. There's no doubt. I mean Andy Reid is
the players. Let's remember Andy Reid was considered a loseruntil
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he got the quarterback, which was really unfair and Paul
Perilla pointed that out. But that's my question. I really
want made to succeed. But does he instill a little
bit of fear into the players? Like you know, when
you're a boss, when you walk in the room, there's
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got to be a little bit of a from the employees,
like am I okay? You can't let them get too comfortable.
And I think the Patriots right now not only do
they suck, but I think they're too comfortable. And that's
a problem. And I hope Mayo can fix it. I
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really do talk about a segue here, folks, Miso roasted carrots,
cream kale YACKI bake a vegan meat loaf, a grapefruit
and goat cheese fennel salad. These are just some of
(39:09):
the things that I have found that people are now
eating for Thanksgiving. My word is that an American sweet Well,
no sweet potato salad, that's fine. How about this one
(39:30):
sweet and sour braised red cabbage? What what sweet and
sour braised red cabbage for Thanksgiving? How about a colliflower
mushroom sauce. How about a pumpkin lasagna for Thanksgiving? My god,
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what is this world coming to? And Trump? Trump? Would
Trump River allow this? That's what people are eating.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Me.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I gotta admit, man, it's gotta be. The best thing
about Thanksgiving is the day after right, friends, the moistmaker,
you get the turkey sandwich, you put the gravy and
the stuffing on it. That is the best thing about
Thanksgiving Day food. There's no doubt about it. Andy Gresh,
who you may know from Sports Radio where I worked
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with covering the Patriots. It's also a connoisseur of fine foods,
and yes, he knows how to fry a turkey, and
he's got some stories and he will tell you how
to fry a turkey if you're interested in doing it.
Because I hear fried turkey's phenomenal. I'm just afraid I'm
going to burn my house down. Thanksgiving recipes with the
Grushmaster coming up next here on wbz's Nightside.
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBS Boston's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thank you, Anne Paul pro one of my favorite people.
Joining us see from Patriot Football Weekly WBC's Nightside, Gary
Tangling for Dan Ray. Uh so, what do you think
about Trump, Paul Paulie, I gotta tell you, I am
I We're gonna talk football, We're gonna talk about the
entire NFL. But I just I don't watch politics and
(00:28):
I'm here, I am on WBC Radio, and that's the
last thing I should probably be saying. And I just
had two great conversations with people that do it, but
like I can't after the election, I just can't do it.
I'm just I get a migraine.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
It was tiring, I have to The election season was
very tiring. I'll tell you that. I mean, I'm not
the most Yeah, I'm not the most political guy either,
but you know, obviously it's you know, it's a pretty
relevant election and uh and it was. It was a
lot going through. It was a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah. I mean, you're a smart guy. You know, you're
well d you know what's going on. And I'm not
going to ask you who you voted for or anything
like that, but I mean, it was just nuts. I mean,
there's definitely an exhaustion. And now when people say, oh
the God Trump won, it's the end of the world.
It's not the end of the world. We're gonna be fine.
Everything is going to be fine. It's not the end
of the world. Jesus.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, God, there's a lot of overreactions on both sides.
That's a big part of the problem.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
That is a major part of the problem. So Paul, Paul,
how are you doing this season? Because you've been with
the Patriots f I first met you when you were
with the Herald. How long have you been with the
Patriots and Patriots dot com?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, since nineteen ninety nine. You know, Pete Carroll's last
year's is I think the twenty sixth season, and you
know you're asking, you know, how we're doing. It's you know, listen,
people aren't going to be holding any you know, gofundmes
or anything for us. But it's been a different season
than a difficult one. You know, they haven't played well.
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They haven't played well for the last couple of seasons.
And you know, right now, you come off a game
like like yesterday's and you know, it just doesn't really
seem like there's as much of a light at the
end of the tunnel beyond Drake May and and obviously
that's not enough.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, we can get into the extras and os and
all that stuff, but I mean, what's you're feeling when
you walk around town or you know, do people care
like they used to? Is there is there a hatred
or I shouldn't even say a hatred because the Red Sox,
when the Red Sox would lose, people would just go bananas,
you know. Yeah, I don't get that same type of
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feeling with the Pats.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, I don't think it is either. You know, there
was nothing kind of like that, you know, that Red
Sox doom. But I would say it's not a hatred.
I think it's more of just a disappointment and a
frustration right now with you know, you saw how good
it could be for so long and now I think
people are just looking at it as you know, it's
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almost hopeless right now, and there's just not a lot
of things going well. You know, I think there's some
there's some questions out the you know, the the newness
of everything, the new regime, and you know, there's a
lot of first year there's a lot of first year
guys doing things for the first time, so there's growing
pains that come with that, and you know, I think
there's a lot of frustration on the fans part. I
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don't necessarily sense a lot of hatred. I just think,
you know, the Dolphins game in particular, I thought was
kind of just sort of a very frustrat I think
people felt like they were beyond those kinds of performances.
You know, they they hadn't gotten to the point where
they were a playoff contender or anything like that. But
I think you watched that, you know, the they beat
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the Jets, they beat the Bears, you know, in between
they had a game against you know who was it,
the Rams that you know obviously went down to the
last possession of the game, and I think people felt like, Okay,
well they're competing, they're showing some signs of life. Offensively,
you could see a track where they were they were
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getting toward respectability, and I think a lot of that
took a huge step backwards down in South Florida on
Sunday and it wasn't overly competitive, and I think there's
a lot of frustration over that.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well, this is what I think when I was watching
the game is for the first time since I'm gonna
say before, look, I remember Rod Rust.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Unfortunately I do too, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I mean I remember Rod Rust and Sam was the
GM from the University of Miami. I forgot his last name,
and then yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and then Dick McPherson
is like, you know, and I'm not talking about losers
like losers like losing games. I'm just talking about I
looked at that team on Sunday and I thought, Okay,
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these guys are just like losers. I mean losers, losers,
like do you even care? Can you even put in
an effort? I saw a team that quit. I think
the offensive line is just ill equipped. I mean fifty
nine whoever hell that guy's name is. I mean, in
the old days, he would have been gone. I mean
he three penalties off the top, and you know, but
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the defense, I just thought that they quit. And that's
when I say, like, like, losers like these are not
at the level I think of dedication that we're accustomed
to for a Patriot player. I mean, look, you know,
you can have guys that aren't talented, but there was
always an effort. I mean Russ Holstein is not a
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pro bowler, but you know there are guys that just
got buy on effort. I didn't even see that pole.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
That's that. I mean, there was And that's part of
what I'm talking about with the frustration level. And I
don't know necessarily that it was effort as much as
it was just poor play, you know, and certainly the
discipline and whatnot has been lacking to focus, the attention
to detail. Too many penalties, too many pre snap penalties.
You said the thing, you know, fifty nine, you're talking
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about Venerian Low. He's really I mean, he really struggled yesterday.
He had a just a bad game. When he wasn't
jumping off side, he was given up pressure on the outside.
So it was not it was not good enough in
any really in any phase of the game. And defensively
they just had no answers. So I think that's where
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the frustration comes in. You're not really competitive on either
side of the ball against a four and sixteen, you know,
it's it's not like Miami came in at you know
ten and one detroit lyons that are you know, running
rough shot over everybody. This was a team that that was,
you know, sort of a middler, and they made you
look like you were you were really one of the
bottom teams.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I mean the quarterback is average at best.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, well he's not average against the Patriots in his career.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I mean I looked at the seven and O, I said,
you've got to be kiddyy. First of all, I feel
bad for the guy. I don't think he should play.
I think he's not going to know what he is
when he's forty, and I wish he wouldn't play. But
that's a whole other story. That's obviously his decision and
how he makes a living. But look for that guy
to light you up. I mean, that's it. That's just embarrassing.
It's just it's just so. Here's my thing, though, is
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you know, and I listen. I know they're on another company,
but you know, I'm listening to Mike and Tony and
all of my old cronies there in sports radio, and
they got a job to do, like they like, they
keep telling you it's today, Paul. We have to do
a show today, Paul, we have a show today. Here's
my thing. I'm very patient, and after leaving the business
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full time, I'm a much kinder and gentler person. I
was never I'm so relaxed. I gotta be honest with you,
I really am. I don't miss any of it. I
don't miss having to try to come up with a
come up with a a confrontation, if you will, or
a controversy. I just believe what really screwed them is
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Belichick left the cover dry. I mean, if you go
back and you look at what Bill did after Brady left,
they just and obviously he got in a pisson match
because he didn't like the quarterback right, and then he
put his guys in his offensive coordinators. And I just
think it's going to take time to recover from the
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mess that Bill left.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of truth
to that. Listen, the roster is what it is, and
and a lot of the roster problems fall on Belichick
because of quite frankly, some very poor drafting over the
last you know, call it eight or ten years. Oh yeah,
and it's and it's just it's the reason one of
the one of the biggest reasons obviously the biggest reason
(08:34):
is Tom Brady, but one of the biggest reasons they
were able to staining what they did for so long
was just year after year of being able to replace
guys in the draft with comparable or at times better players.
You know, you're able to plug in, you know, Nate
Solder is a first round pick for Matt Light and
you're able to you know, just sort of keep the
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train moving in the right direction. And that I could
give you that example at twenty different spots over the years,
you know, just finding a Logan Mankins to put on
the offensive line prout of the first round, you know,
and replacing guys who go you know, go on to
separate ways. And they just haven't been able to do
that in the last let's call it seven years. They
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consistently have missed on draft picks and that's really set
them back, and that falls on Belichick. He was in
charge of all of that. The roster right now is
really lacking in a lot of different areas. That's the
one silver lining. You know, we talked about this on
our post game show yesterday. The one silver lining to
being a team in the situation that they're in is
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that you're going to have a top five picks. It's
really advantageous to be able to pick absolutely anything. And
the only thing that they will not be looking for
in the top five is a quarterback, right, because they are.
You know, obviously they just took one. But you can
really do the old adage and a lot I know
a lot of teams say they like to said, well
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we take the best player available. A lot of teams
say that. Most of them don't necessarily mean it. You
take the best player at the position that you need
the most, right, and that's not always the same thing. Well,
the Patriots can legitimately take the best player because it
almost has to be at a position of need. I
mean whether it's offensive tackle, wide receiver, cornerback, edge rusher, linebacker.
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I mean, they need a lot of stuff. And as
you said, Gary, it all stems from the roster that
was left behind by Belichick and there's just not enough talent.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I remember the great Clark Booth. I remember this interview
when he said, and he went across the board, he
went the Bruins, Harry Sindon got old, Celtics Red got old. Yeah,
and I don't want to listen. At this stage of
my life, I've been victimized by agism. I'm not I
(10:53):
don't want to go crazy on this, but Bill obviously
did not put the same attention to d tail into
drafting or rely on his people the way he did
in the past. That's just a fact. He just wanted,
you know, he listened. He from what I heard that
he didn't listen to his people, that he would listen
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to people from other organizations.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, I mean, I do think he sort of started
to fall into sort of going off of some of
his trusted coaches. You know, he would go to Alabama
with Nick Saban, he'd go Florida, you know, to other
you know, to other urban Meyer back, yes, at Florida,
And that's how he would do a lot of his
his evaluations. He would take the you know, the opinions
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of guys that he trusted and run with him. And
that's where some of the missteps came from. Now, that
doesn't explain it all away either. I mean, I just
feel like there were probably a lot of sort of
questionable picks over the years that didn't really come back
and hurt them as much because Tom Brady was was
here to kind of make everything look better, and you know,
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when he left, I think that exposed a lot of
things and I think quite frankly, Belichick was one of them.
You know, I think he's a great coach. I maintained
that even last year, you know, going four and thirteen.
I never just said to myself, boy, this guy just
can't coach at all. I think that looking back, it
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probably had a little bit more to do with Brady
than any of us thought at the time. But you
can't just ignore it. Like the personnel decisions were awful,
I think some of the free agent decisions were awful,
and you know, the decisions to let guys go and
whatnot that weren't always the right ones. It's not an
easy thing to do what they did for twenty years.
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You know, it sounds like we're beating them up now,
but what they did for twenty years is very hard
to repeat. And you know, that's why people are looking
at Kansas City right now, because you know what I mean,
they're on their way to about what a decade or
so of that, and they're not even halfway there. They're
not even halfway there to what the Patriots did. And
that's why I think people are so enamored with Andy
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Reid and Patrick Mahomes right now, because they're wondering, can
they possibly do anything that would approach what Belichick.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And Brady did well. Andy Reid was a bust until
he got the quarterback, and so wasn't Belichick. All right, Paul,
can you hang on? I got a couple more questions
for you.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Okay, Paul Parola joining us here from Patriots dot Com.
You're on WBZ, Gary Tangwayne from Nightside.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
All right, Paul Parolo joining us here from Patriots dot Com.
Gary Tangway for Dan tonight. I want to talk about
Mayo the coach. And this is one of the benefits
of not being in the media every day, Paul, is
that I can sit there and say I want him
to be the coach because I like him. I think
he's a nice man. I love him. I love Gerard Mayo.
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I worked with him, you were you know, we all
worked with them out of you know, Comcast and an
NBC Sports Boston. He's a wonderful person. He's a great guy.
I want him to win. How long of it? How
long can he last?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah? So, I mean I think there's a lot of
suit to that. I think that we all sort of
enjoy uh, you know, talking to him the processes is
much more enjoyable with him than it was with Bill.
But ultimately, none of that's gonna matter. He can't coach,
and you know, I think that clearly, you know, the
Crafts have made a commitment to him, So you know,
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I think that it's you know, a ridiculous long shot
to expect him to be in trouble now. But how long,
you know, I don't know. If there's no sign if
we're sitting at this time next year and there's no
signs of improvement, then you're gonna you're gonna have some
decisions to make because you can't just keep going down
that road. But right now, I think that they believe
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in girod MAO. I agree with your assessment of him.
From a personal standpoint. I enjoy sort of talking to
him a little bit and covering him more so. But
bottom line is it's a results oriented business. He says
it all the time, and if they don't start winning games,
it doesn't matter how nice of a guy he is.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Well, I know that he was doing well in the
business world, did very well, and I know some people
that worked with him. He was working for various corporations,
and when he went back as a coach, I wanted
to tell him, are you are of your mind? Are
you out of your mind? Because he was well on
his way to doing well financially in the corporate world.
I'm like, you're right, but it's a thing, you know,
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it's a bug. They got to do it. But it
seems to me he became head coach too early. I mean,
this happened ahead a schedule.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Correct, Well, I think it did. And you know, our
buddy Tom Kurran has said that often that I think
that the plan was for Bill to stick around for
another year and then transfer it, you know that way.
Maybe maybe if he had won enough games to have
you know, gotten that record, then maybe they would have revisited.
But the way that it all unfolded, I would say,
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is a year ahead of time, no question.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So I don't know how we can judge him. And
also what kind of control did he had him on
hiring the staff, We don't know was it He is
called with the offensive coordinator. He often refers to the
offense as a whole, separate part of the team. He's
a defensive minded coach. He was a terrific player as
a linebacker, but the defense sucks. And then you know,
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some of my friends have been getting on the front
office and I'm like, look, chill on the front office here.
They've only had one draft. So I don't know how
you can judge Girod Mayo right now. I don't know
how you can't.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, I don't. I mean, listen, it's one year in
and not even one full year in. But I mean,
I will say the stuff that has happened so far
is not overly promising, you know, and that starts with
the off season. They had some money to spend in
free agency, and they chose to spend the majority of
it on resigning their own guys, and you know, I
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think that you could question some of the moves that
they made. And then you look at the draft, and
certainly Drake may looks you know, really promising is the
third overall pick, and then you'd be hard pressed to
find another pick right now that falls into this promising category.
So so far, you know, with Mayo and wolfs that,
you know, I don't think it's looked great. I think
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that you look at the offensive line and realize they
really didn't even attempt to sign a tackle, A left
tackle is you know, it doesn't exist on the roster,
So I think that was a misstep. So if you're
going to bring in a young quarterback and ask him
to play but yet not really address the offensive line,
I think there's a flaw in that approach. And we've
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seen it. You know, we saw it especially yesterday with
with the you know, with May running around, and we've
seen it a lot. He's run for his life and
I think he's got seven starts now under his belt,
and the vast majority of those he has spent avoiding
pressure and trying to run around making plays with his
legs as much as he has with his arms. So yeah,
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I mean it's one year. I'm not ready to pull
the plug on it, but it hasn't been off to
a promising start.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Let's talk about May. The interception at the end of
the game, Well, in the fourth quarter, I think with
about five minutes to go, looked like they maybe could
get back into the situation. Was very frustrating. But at
the same time, the guy who was under attack all
day and he was just trying to make a play.
Can we survive? I mean, look, it's obvious he can
be a good NFL quarterback, all right, and he's better.
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He's a good player. I think we all can see that.
How good he's going to be I have no idea,
but he's a really good player. Can he survive the rebuild?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, he's I think he's certainly a very talented guy
who has the ability to make throws and make plays
at a high level. We've seen it already in bits
and pieces. He's going to have to develop. He's going
to have to cut down on the turnovers, you know,
for sure. I think he's got twelve turnovers.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Were letting him off the hook with that again, because
a lot of the times we'll say, well it's you know,
he's a rookie, doesn't have any help.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, So I would look at turnovers in different ways,
Like you know, yesterday the game, I thought the turnovers
were irrelevant. Yesterday, as an example, they were down thirty
they were down thirty one nothing. They hadn't turned the
ball over at all.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, they couldn't stop anybody, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
So they couldn't stop them, and they couldn't move the ball.
They're in the fourth quarter, down thirty one nothing, they're
no turnovers. So I just look at this as you know,
it's it's sort of part of part of the maturation
process for a young quarterback. He's got to learn, you know,
late and you know they're in the second half. He's
desperately trying to fight to make plays. The stripsack can't happen.
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That's a bad, bad play by Drake May trying to
almost use a swim move with the ball in his
hand and going over the top. That's that's just recklessness
with the ball. And that's not going to work at
any level. So he's going to have to learn when
he can and can't try to make those plays and try.
I don't not do too much. The turnovers are a problem.
He's got too Manch. I think he's got seven picks
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and five fumbles, you know, in the games that he started. Again.
I don't put all of them on him. I think
there's there's been a problem with the protection first and foremost.
And I don't think the offensive I mean, I don't
think the offensive skill position guys you know, have been
great either. I don't think the guys has done a
whole lot. I don't think they've done a whole lot
to help him out. However, all that said, I watched
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the first three quarters yesterday and that's about as ordinary
as May has looked. So he's going to have to
get better.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Four interceptions by Tom Brady. I remember that when in Denver. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it happened me. Brady had some stinkers, but
obviously he had a team around him that could support him,
and May just doesn't have that. But I'm worried about
the guy being shell shocked and having his career ruined.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Am I being too dramatic?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, that's a little Gary Tangway dramatic.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You know, Gary Tangway doesn't do that anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I don't do that anymore, But I will say this,
tanger you know, some of the stuff I saw yesterday,
it is kind of concerning along those lines. I thought
he did look like a guy who was trying to
do too much and you know, sort of getting affected
by what was around him. You know, the protection wasn't
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holding up, and there were times that he was sort
of assuming that the pressure that the protection wouldn't hold up,
and he was taken off. So absolutely, I you know,
is there a fear that you know, his his development
gets stunted a little bit? By the lack of talent
around him. Yeah, that's got to be a concern. I
don't necessarily worry about it right now, but you know,
it's something to keep an eye on. I don't think
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he looked as good yesterday as he did certainly the
week before against the Rams. I said, I would say
the Rams is the best game that he's played so far,
and I would say yesterday was the worst.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Paula, I need you for one more segment. I want
to talk about the rest of the NFL. Are you good?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
All right? All right, I'll tell you. You're killing me.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
You're killing please. Oh my god, I'm overworking him, Paul Perillo.
We're gonna work him one more, one more segment about
the rest of the NFL after this on WBC's Night Side.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
It's Night Side with Ray on w Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Okay, he's got to go to bed soon. Paul Perillo,
here with us the rest of the NFL. So Dan Campbell,
I remember when this guy was a joke with the Dolphins,
right and we thought when he took it, when the
Lions hired him, what are they doing? And here we.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Are now they're the best team in football and.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I'm rooting for him. I'm I have to. I'm rooting
for him. Look, Kansas City's great. Somebody said to me
the other day. My wife was like, you know, Mahomes,
he's perfect. I go, he is. He's just a great guy.
But I'm rooting for the Lions.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It's hard not to. You know, it's an organization that
has really not had any success, and now you know,
they're sitting at ten and one, and they have been
there before, and they have as good a chance as
anybody to get it done. With Campbell, you know, I
still don't necessarily believe in him, But no, I don't,
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and I really think yeah, And I think he cost
his team a trip to the Super Bowl last year,
to be honest with you, with some of the decisions
that he made. I thought he was emotional in the
NFC Championship Game and the hottest team in unnecessary trouble.
But I do think he does a great job of
motivating the team. I think that he is obviously cut
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in a mold where his team plays in that style.
It's the old cliche of sometimes teams take on the
personality of their coach, and I think the Lions certainly
fit that they have a physical, run oriented offense that
can also throw the ball, and they're starting to get
better and better on defense. But yeah, I think it's
the talent on the roster that they've done a great
job of assembling. And at the same time, I think
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they have really good coordinators, particularly on offense with Ben Johnson.
I think they have one of the most imaginative and
versatile offenses in football. And I think the record shows.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Is this the year Buffalo kicks the door in.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
You know, it's funny. I don't think this is as
talented a Buffalo team as we've seen, but Josh Allen
just plays at a different level. And I just I'm
I'm such a believer in him. And I saw him
come into Foxborough as a rookie and he was so raw,
and he got so much criticism because he was so
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wild with some of his throws. But I looked at
him and I just said, you know, this guy is
really he has unbelievable skills and you could see it
even when he wasn't ready to play as a rookie.
And to see where he is now and you know
he's still you know, it is susceptible to a mistake
here or there, but he's really cut back on the interceptions.
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I mean, I don't know if you watched any of
that Kansas City game, you know, last week, but you know,
he just he just turns into Superman, you know, when
he needs it. And you know, it's a fourth and two,
they're up by two, and they know a field goal
is not going to do him much good. To make
it five and give the Mahomes the ball back and
he just takes the ball and he runs for the
first down and he just wasn't going to be denied.
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He ends up in the end zone, putting that game away.
And yeah, is this the year they pushed the door down?
I give them is as good a shot as anybody.
I mean, Kansas City, it's hard to bet against them
in the playoffs. I think Baltimore is extremely talented, especially
on offense, but for whatever reason they've been struggling. It's
it's going to be one of those three teams in
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my mind. And yeah, I mean why not Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Well, when I look at Kansas City and the fact
that they, you know, snuck out a win this past week,
are they on borrowed time?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yeah, you know, they kind of look a little like
the Patriots sort of toward the end, you know, like
that last title they had. Any team, you know, there
was a lot of games that you sort of looked
and said, like, I'm not sure this team has it
this year, but you know who's going to bet against
them in an important game. And that's the way I
look at Kansas City, And as long as you have
Patrick Mahomes, I think you have a good chance to
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win the game. I think they're well coached, and the
defense is really good too. Now it didn't play all
that great yesterday against Carolina, but you know, they look
a little bit like a team that sort of knows
where they're going to be in January and they're kind
of just playing these games out. We need to win
enough of these games to get where we need to go.
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But they have a look of sort of one of
those teams that's ready to turn it on and off.
They played a lot of football garry the last couple
of years. We saw that were on the Patriots as well,
right when they were winning titles and going to Super
Bowls every year. I think that's a hard road when
you're playing all that extra football trying to three peat now,
I think there's a reason why no one's ever done it.
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I wouldn't bet against them, but I don't feel overly
confident even though their ten and one.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Also, you know, is Reid going to coach forever or
we keep hearing that maybe Belichick is waiting in the wings.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Now Belichick's not going to Kansas City, stopped stop it.
Andy Reid is going to coach that team. And I
think at least through Mahomes his prime. That's I mean,
I think that he is a really good He's a
guy he dragged Donovan McNabb to four straight NFC title games,
and I don't think Donovan McNabb is all that good.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
So we lead, we saw that.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Against the Pats and Jacksonville exactly. You know, Andy Reid,
I think is a is a really good coach. I
think he's really adapted with the times. And I think
that's some of the things that you would say, you
know about Belichick is maybe he wasn't able to to
sort of, you know, develop and change with the way
the game has changed over the years. I think Andy
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Reid has I think he he coaches in a different style.
He's by no means is he a player's coach. He's
a he's a he runs a tough, tough training camp.
But the player love playing for him and they win
a lot. So I don't think he's going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, the Patriots are rebuilding. It seems that Pittsburgh always
manages to stay in contention.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, yeah, I'm Pittsburgh. I've not been a believer in
And if you listen to my show on the other
station that you were talking about, right, I heard you
guys talking about Yeah Felders always making fun of me
about that. And you know, I just don't think they're
all that good. Now. I give them credit for finding
ways to win games. I think Mike Tomlin is very good.
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I think he's an excellent coach, and he's able to
generally beat the bad teams and find a way to
get enough wins that he's relevant. But I just don't
look at them as a threat to win, you know,
in the in the playoffs. I don't think that they're
as good as Kansas City or Buffalo or Baltimore, and
I would not give them much of a shot against
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any of those teams.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Polly, where did Minnesota come from?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
You know, there's another guy. I think that doesn't get
much and Kevin O'Connell about how good he is. But
I think he's an exceptional offensive coach. I think he's
got Brian Flores in now to run a very aggressive defense.
And again, you know, the thing is about this league,
in my opinion, Gary, is that I don't think there
are a lot of good teams.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
The chances are you play. You play a schedule where
you're gonna have ten or twelve games that you should
be able to win if you're reasonably well coached and
have a reasonable amount of talent. I would say Minnesota qualifies.
You know, they have a veteran quarterback in Sam Donald,
who obviously has some ability as a former number three
overall pick. You have justin Jefferson, Jordan Adison, received TJ.
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Hawkins in the tight end. You know they they have
talent on the roster offensively, and then you have an
aggressive defense that goes out and makes plays and you play.
You know, you beat Chicago, and you know you beat
a couple of teams that you probably should be and
you know, before you know what, you look up and
you're nine to two and you're like, well, have you
be anybody any good. It doesn't matter. You don't play
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anybody that's all that good.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
I agreed, agreed you No, at the.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
End of at the end of the day, I think
the Pittsburgh of the of the NFC. To be honest
with you, the Vikings, I don't think they're all that good.
I don't think they'll stack up against the Philadelphia or
Detroit in a playoff game. But you know what, nine
and two is nine and two. I can't I can't
say that they haven't won any games, because that's a
pretty good record.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Paul, thanks for coming on. I really appreciate it. Paul Parolo,
the Great Paul Parolosunshine dot com.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Ch just mean I get to go back and watch
the rest of Lincoln Lawyer.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Now, oh that's your thing? Oh? Is that the series
on Amazon? Are you talking about the McConaughey movie.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
No, not the movie, the series.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Is it any good? Do you like it?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah? It's good, it's good.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah. I get my wife watches that. I gotta get
on that. Paul, Thanks for coming on. I appreciate it.
Enjoy your holiday. Do you have plans? Do you catch
a high school game on Thursday?
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I do my son's last one ever at Bishop Centwick
against Saint Mary's Wednesday night, in my last high school
game ever.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh my god, the tiers are gonna be flown. What
position does he play?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
He's a guard?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
God love him man.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
All right, yeah, he starts that guard. So yeah, we're
looking forward to it, and you know, a little bittersweet,
but yeah, it's been a fun ride.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Well now you can take in those college offers.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Saban's online one. All right, Paul DAGs, all right, Tanger,
appreciate it, buddy. Paul Parolo the Great, he's the best.
Joining us here on WBZ night said as I told
you we're gonna get We're gonna keep things light. We
went from Trump and politics and Kamala right into the
Patriots in the NFL talk. And he's right. You know,
the NFL is is there are not a lot of
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great teams. There really aren't. You know. To me, you
got Kansas City and you got Buffalo, and then you
got Detroit. I don't know about Philly. Philly's nine and two.
Those are your three teams right now. I think it
comes down to Detroit, Kansas City and Buffalo. That's it.
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Those are the three. The rest. Hey, Hey, you know
what I'm saying. Eh, I'll give you some thoughts on
the Patriots. Drum Mayo, We're going to change gears. Andy
Grasch joins us frying a turkey and other crazy Thanksgiving
recipes on the way, coming up with ten here on
wbz's Nightside.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
So my thoughts on the New England Patriots right now
and Gion Mayo. I worked with the guy at NBC
Sports Boston, and he's the best. You're not going to
find a better person. I'm rooting like hell for him.
I don't think he has the tools. I don't think
he has the roster, and he's also following a freaking legend,
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a legend in Bill Belichick, who also had a legend
at quarterback in Tom Brady. I do think that Gerard
has to take control of the team. I don't know
if he's viewed as like the head coach. I don't
really understand the relationship he has with his offensive coordinator.
It's like he has the defense and they have the offense.
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Look if Drake may has a good relationship with his
OC and that works. That's fine, But I do wonder
if Gerard has taken the approach where you're just too nice.
You know, we've gone through we go through cycles in life,
whether it's football or whether it's running an office or
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an organization, where we want to be friendly, we want
to be liked, We want everybody to be comfortable, we
want everybody to be happy. But you can't always have success. Well,
quite frankly, you can't have success keeping everybody happy. You can.
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It doesn't matter whether you're running a football team, whether
you're running a business, whether you're running an organization, whether
you're teaching a class. You can't worry about keeping everybody happy.
And it seemed that the Patriots did a one to
eighty from the Bill Belichick way of doing things, which
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was Belichick coached via fear. I remember Jermaine Wiggins. He
said to Jermaine, Jermaine, if you don't make this block,
I will cut your ass tomorrow. And Bill would do it.
And I think this was before WIGGI had the big
AFC playoff game where he had all those catches in
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the Snowbowl. Bill would do it. Bill would if you
didn't make a play like There are definitely some guys
on this Patriot roster now, some receivers that can't catch
the ball that if Belichick was here, he would just
cut his ass. Now, boom, you're gone. You can't ca
hatch the ball for me, see you later. And I
thought the Patriots may do that. I thought we would
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see some of that after and we still may this week.
I don't know. After that embarrassment against Miami. You can't
coach and be the player's friend. You can't manage an
organization and be the boss and be the employee's friend.
You have to have respect for one another. But there
has to be a little bit of fear. That's what
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motivates people. There has to be a little bit of
fear that if I do a crappy job on the
show tonight, that I'm not going to get a call
to fill in for Dan Ray again. There has to
be You can't let people get too comfortable. I mean,
when I saw the Patriots and some of these wide
receivers complaining about not getting the football. Some of the
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diva I mean, wide receivers are divas anyways, they just are.
Troy Brown is probably the only one that really I
mean Troy Brown was never a diva. It's not in
his DNA. But he's probably the only receiver that has
not had that diva like attitude. To be in the
NFL and to be a receiver, you have to have
that diva like attitude. But you can't let it come through,
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you can't let it show. Anaman definitely had some diva
at him. He wanted the ball. He wanted the ball,
but he was tough as nails. He'd go across the middle,
He'll get his belt wrung. I mean, he definitely wanted
the ball. There's a diva in Edelman, and I say
that as a compliment. Definitely some diva in Gronk. I
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say that a compliment as well. Gronk wanted to protect
his body later on, and I understand that he kind
of had a tough go there for a while. But
there's got to be some fear. And I don't know
if the Patriots fear Mayo. And I want Mayo to succeed.
I can tell you that I have not wanted a
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coach to succeed more than Mayo. And I loved Frankcona.
I thought Terry Fracona is a you give me crank
he'd be talking it from his stall doing his business.
But I thought Frank Cohen was great. I loved it.
I thought he was awesome. And I don't think I
wanted a coach to succeed more than Mayo. I really don't.
(37:17):
I mean, he's the best. Is he too nice? That's
what I wonder. I mean, one of the reasons why
Belichick was a great coach is he could be a
real a hole. He really could be. So couldn't Red
(37:38):
so good in all of them? You know, you gotta
be tough. There's got do you instill the fear into
your players? I mean Reed does? I mean, definitely, Andy
Reid does. There's no doubt. I mean Andy Reid is
the players. Let's remember Andy Reid was considered a loseruntil
(38:00):
he got the quarterback, which was really unfair and Paul
Perilla pointed that out. But that's my question. I really
want made to succeed. But does he instill a little
bit of fear into the players? Like you know, when
you're a boss, when you walk in the room, there's
(38:21):
got to be a little bit of a from the employees,
like am I okay? You can't let them get too comfortable.
And I think the Patriots right now not only do
they suck, but I think they're too comfortable. And that's
a problem. And I hope Mayo can fix it. I
(38:44):
really do talk about a segue here, folks, Miso roasted carrots,
cream kale YACKI bake a vegan meat loaf, a grapefruit
and goat cheese fennel salad. These are just some of
(39:09):
the things that I have found that people are now
eating for Thanksgiving. My word is that an American sweet Well,
no sweet potato salad, that's fine. How about this one
(39:30):
sweet and sour braised red cabbage? What what sweet and
sour braised red cabbage for Thanksgiving? How about a colliflower
mushroom sauce. How about a pumpkin lasagna for Thanksgiving? My god,
(39:57):
what is this world coming to? And Trump? Trump? Would
Trump River allow this? That's what people are eating.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Me.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I gotta admit, man, it's gotta be. The best thing
about Thanksgiving is the day after right, friends, the moistmaker,
you get the turkey sandwich, you put the gravy and
the stuffing on it. That is the best thing about
Thanksgiving Day food. There's no doubt about it. Andy Gresh,
who you may know from Sports Radio where I worked
(40:29):
with covering the Patriots. It's also a connoisseur of fine foods,
and yes, he knows how to fry a turkey, and
he's got some stories and he will tell you how
to fry a turkey if you're interested in doing it.
Because I hear fried turkey's phenomenal. I'm just afraid I'm
going to burn my house down. Thanksgiving recipes with the
Grushmaster coming up next here on wbz's Nightside.
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