December 3, 2024 • 40 mins
A federal judge formally dismissed Hunter Biden’s federal gun case after President Biden pardoned his son over the weekend. Hunter could have faced up to 25 years in prison. Prosecutors oppose dismissing the case. Should a pardon wipe away an entire federal case as if it never happened?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice eyes with Dan Ray, I'm telling you Boston's
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Ever four were coming up here on a very chilly
Tuesday night. It seemed like only yesterday temperatures are in
the seventies. Now, all of a sudden, what do they
call it, the Montreal Express came blowing in from Canada.
It's actually coming in from Western Canada. So I hope
you're all buttoned up in warm and nice and toasty
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warm and not outside. Okay. We talked tonight about four
interesting guests in the first hour, talking about scams with
Paula Fleming from the Boston Better Business Bureau, talked with
a fellow named Paul Martino about creating harmony in your home.
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He actually says he can figure it out. And talked
with doctor Matthew Chalmers about Christmas movies, why some of
us love them and some of us hate them. And
then talk with doctor d Salim He's of Tufts Medically,
he's a cardiologist, and talked about the Physician Pathway Act
that was in the eighth During the nine we talked
about the problem of mass and casts and the drug
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use and the violence maybe being dispersed to the Boston
common area. We had a guesst Rishi Schutklop of the
Downtown Boston Neighborhood Association. And then last time we talked
with Ken Smaller a Brookline. He's a writer and a
photographer and his specialty is visiting and photographing stadiums and
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arenas around the country, which is very interesting avocation. He
has visited some get the I think the number was
just an absolutely crazy number of stadium or stadiums or
stadiums around the around the world. Twenty four countries, forty
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eight states. Just interesting. Interesting guy. I wish more of
you had had stadium stories, but that's not my problem.
That's your problem, because you could have talked about your
first trip to a major league ballpark or to a
football stadium or whatever. Again, as you probably know, I
like to talk politics and I like to talk sports.
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Those are my two wheelhouse topics. So we'll talk a
little politics now. Last night we did touch upon the
pardon for Hunter Biden, and tonight I have some reaction
from the typical reaction as you would expect. This is
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a cut from Rachel Maddow of MSNBC, and my question
to you is, do you expect Rachel Maddow to be
outraged that Hunter Biden has been pardoned by his dad,
or do you think she will be supportive of it? Okay,
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you've major. Here's the sound bite. Cut number one. Rachel
Matnow predictable.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It is true that President Biden had said he wouldn't
pardon his son, and it may or may not be related.
But would it change your mind at all if after
you made a pledge like that, the incoming next president
the announced that he planned to remove the director of
the FBI and install in his place someone who has
literally published a hit list of people he wants to
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go after once Trump is back in power.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So the question is why stop with Hunter? I mean,
if that's what the president is concerned about. Ironically, by
receiving a pardon, one of the problems about receiving a
pardon is you lose your Fifth Amendment rights because once
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you have received the pardon, you are no longer in jeopardy.
The pardon that President Biden gave to his son covers
January first of twenty fourteen, that's almost eleven years ago
to December one of twenty twenty four that is two
days ago. So basically, for anything that Hunter Biden did
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on a FED it could be charges of federal crime,
and of course he had been convicted on a gun
charges and on tax evasion charges. He is immune from
ever being charged with that again or anything relating to
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federal statutes during that near eleven year period. But the
downside is he could be called in front of a
congressional committee and he could be asked questions, and he
doesn't have the right to invoke the Fifth Amendment because
he has no criminal liability during that period of time,
assuming they're asking questions. So that raises the question of
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should President Biden and his legal team be smart enough
to consider pardoning other members of the administration the Biden administration.
A former Watergate prosecutor. I have never heard of this
person before. Her name is Jill Wine. Middle name is Wine,
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like drinking wine Banks, and she kind of addresses that issue.
Rob This is cut number five. Please.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I am relieved and thrilled that he did it. I
think this was one of those cases that called out
for clemency. Hunter Biden, first of all, would not have
ever been prosecuted for the gun crime but for his
last name. Second of all, he was addicted and that
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was a cause of his actions. He has now been
sober for many years, and this is a time when
it is really appropriate for a grant of clemency. I
hope that President Biden will also issue preemptive pardons to
all of those people threatened by the unjustice of what
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will become the Department of Justice in the Trump administration.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
That of course includes.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Jack Smith and all of his staff, many Department of
Justice lawyers. It includes President Biden himself.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Good, President Biden, is you a pardon for himself? What
about other members of the Biden family. Now that is
a statement from obviously a very unbiased prosecutor. I say
that with tongue planted, squirrely in cheek. Clearly she was thrilled.
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That's her word. She's thrilled that Biden pardoned his son. Okay,
let's get a perspective. This is Jonathan Turley. He is
a legal expert, professor of law at George Washington University,
and I think a pretty solid guy. He happens to
also be a Fox commentator. This is cut number four.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
The pardon question came up repeatedly, and both he and
the White House were adamant that they weren't considering and
would not give a pardon. And as in twenty twenty
when he lied about his knowledge about the business dealings
of his son, he was running for election, running for
re election in twenty twenty four when he lied about
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his intentions on pardoning his son. Now, this is the
language of this pardon is virtually on virtually on precedented.
I mean you really Nixon was very, very broad, but
we've never seen anything like this. He's literally pardoning his
son for any crime that he may have committed during
these years, everything from money laundering the murder. Now, he
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could obviously be charged with state offenses, but the statue
limitations of largely run on those offenses. So it's a
really breathtaking act of contempt for the American people. And
it has happened over and over again.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So there's conflicting points of view. The former Watergate prosecutor
who's thrilled with the pardon, Jonathan Turley, is appalled by
the pardon, and I'd love to know what you think.
And the other question that I have is who else
should Joe Biden pardon because if he does really want
to be totally prophylactic and protect first of all, Donald
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Trump has not set foot in the White House yet. Well,
he's set foot, but he has not been president yet.
He met with Joe Biden, very friendly conversation. Do you
think that that Trump is going to come in and
try to put in jail every Democrat that he can find.
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I don't think so. I don't think he's going to
waste his time doing that. And if he, if he
tries to use lawfare against the Democrats, I will be
as critical of the law fair that was attempted in
some cases to be used against him. Law fair has
no place in our political system. He should he should
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focus and concentrate on the policies that he wants to
impose and whatever he wants to change. In terms of
the military status of the country, our preparedness, whether or
not we should have as many military bases covered around
the world. He has to worry about things like the
federal debt, which is now up over thirty six trillion
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dollars I think at last count. But what's a few
bill and billion dollars between friends? So yeah, there's there's
monumental issues that Donald Trump has to deal with. I
don't think he's going to deal with a lot of
those So my question to you, my audience, is your
reaction to the to the pardon of Hunter Biden. Was
Joe Biden lying to us back in June? I think
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he was. I think that he knew that when he
said there's no way he's going to pardon his son,
he knew he was not telling the American people the truth. Now, again,
circumstances change over time. But I said last night, and
I'll say again, that he should have been much more
cautious about what he said, and he should have said, look,
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this is a situation that I'm not going to contemplate
until after the election. That's he at that point when
he was first asked that question. So just going to
open it up. Who else should Joe Biden pardon? I
don't think this is the end of it. I think
that the president, if he has competent legal counsel, is
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going to be told that there are others members of
his family. There's been suggestions that one of his brothers
might have been somehow involved. I don't know the extent
to which any of that is true, but it would
seem to me that if he's looking to protect his
son from a Justice department run by a Trump appointee,
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you exercise the same diligence and caution to other members
of his family. In my opinion, I have no idea
what the interpersonal relationship is between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
I assume it's not particularly good. Certainly would seem uh.
And once Donald Trump steps into the White House and
Joe Biden steps out of the White House for good,
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Joe Biden's presidential powers cease immediately as soon as Donald
Trump puts his hand on the Bible and swears the
oath of office. Six one seven, two, five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Feel
free to join the conversation. Also, I don't know if
any of you still use the triple eight number. Triple
eight nine two nine, ten thirty. We're talking pardons and
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feel free. Some of you weren't able to get in
last night. Just give you an opportunity. Open up these
phone lines. We'll be right back on night Side. This
is a quick break, so we'll call quickly. Coming back
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Speaker 1 (11:55):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios, WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Or let's go to the call. Six one seven, two
five four ten thirty. Those lines are full six one
seven nine three one ten thirty. Both of those lines
are open. Let me start it off with Archie in Sagus. Archie,
you were first tonight.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
On Hi the.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yep, go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
He did the right kind of a right thing, even
though I don't support it. Biden did the right thing
by it because you don't want another.
Speaker 8 (12:36):
Shore.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
But Bien, uh, you know it's going to take a
long time and on their tack face experenses, what is that?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Okay, I'm trying to follow you. So let me let
me stick let me stick with it here. Okay, yeah,
he you you agree that the president did the right thing,
but tell me why you feel he did that.
Speaker 9 (13:00):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Personally, I don't think he did the right thing, but
I agree with the decision because that we are going
to have another a big kind of a legal battle
on a taxpayers expenses for years, same as they did
to the Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Okay, so you're saying that by pardoning his son, that's
going to save the taxpayer's money. That was his motivation.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Yeah, it's all what I'm done with, and so we
don't have to worry about it and call it a day.
You know, sometimes you were not lose, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Okay, Now, let me ask you this. A lot of people,
there's a lot of people in this country who end
up in jail for for relatively minor crimes, including oftentimes
young people who may not have the privilege of having
your dad the president of the United States. Does this,
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in your mind prove that we have a two tier
system of justice.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Sometimes there's an exception because he's the president and he's
in a high rank.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
To do that.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Okay, So let's assume that Donald Trump's one of Donald
Trump's children got into a similar problem. Donald Trump or
one of you know, Donald Trump, Donald Trump Junior, or
one of the other you know, Trump children. Would you
feel the same way if Trump Donald a president, Donald
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Trump pardoned his.
Speaker 10 (14:44):
Son, I feel the same way, because there is sometimes
the thing has to be done man in a different.
Speaker 11 (14:55):
Way because of the situation, rather than you know, there
you have to admit that if the president and the
next person who's coming in Trump is going to be
a president, you don't want the rest of the worst
to look at it and say, hey, this guy's doing
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this and that.
Speaker 12 (15:17):
And the other thing is uh, it would be nice
your Biden turned around and say, buying the dollars Trump
for any kind of things that you have done in
the bus, even though Trump could do the same thing
for himself.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, believe most of those those cases, at least the
federal cases have at this point been dropped. Archie, appreciate it,
Thank you very much. A very interesting analysis, quite different
than mine. But I was interested in your your your logic,
and there's certainly a consistency to that logic. Thanks Archie,
appreciate your call.
Speaker 11 (15:56):
Thank you, Dan, You have a wonderful night.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
All right, YouTube, let me go to John in North Carolina. John,
you were next on Nightside. Who else should Joe Biden pardon?
Speaker 13 (16:07):
Well he should. William have to pardon James because James
is right in the thick of things.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That's his brother, that would be his brother, right.
Speaker 13 (16:17):
But to comment on the I guess it was Rachel
Maddow the clip that you played. Yes, it's really ludicrous
for these people to be making these to be excusing
Hunter based on his being addicted to drugs, because I
dare say, a lot of career criminals are addicted to drugs,
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and it's instead of being an excuse, it's an aggravating
factor it is.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
It is particularly Yuh. Well, I don't know. Maybe the
defense lawyers will jump on the idea. Oh you ever know.
I mean, we may have new legal precedent here. I
just think it's I just think it's interesting. What I
am not as bothered. I don't know about you. I'm
not as bothered by what the president did in terms
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of the part because I think anyone who has a
child would probably react in a similar fashion. I am
bothered by the fact that he sat there and lived
to the American public.
Speaker 13 (17:21):
In June in ju Well, let me comment on that.
I this idea about well, it's because it's his son.
You know, I'm reminded of back in the days of
the Roman Republic, the mothers would tell their sons, you
either come back with your shield or come back on it.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So it's a little different. Yeah, I go back a
long way. I remember hearing those stories. I never covered that,
by the way as a reporter. Just to make it clear, okay.
Speaker 13 (17:53):
But I had just one more comment about the drug.
The drug thing. You know, another excuse they're making for
high is that, well, he's been clean for the past
five and a half years of drugs. So my question is,
who's cocaine was that that they found in the White
House a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Well, it wasn't necessarily his if he's been clean, would
it now?
Speaker 8 (18:20):
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I mean if you believe yeah, whatever. Well, I mean again,
my fault with the president is he basically sat there
at Normandy and someone mentioned it last night. He's sitting
there in normal in Normandy, you know, which is obviously
hallowed American ground, although it's in France. A lot of
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American blood was shed there on June sixth, nineteen forty four.
And I think he lied. I think that he knew
that when push came to shove, he was going to
pardon Hunter Biden. I think if if he had stood
for reelection in one he could have parted the knowing
that that his he had another four years in the
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White House. If he stepped aside and Harris won the race,
I'm sure she would have pardoned Hunter Biden. At least
I believe she would have partnered Hunter Biden as a
courtesy to Joe Biden. And if she had lost the race.
Joe Biden was still president for the ballance of November
December and until January twentieth, So he knew that he
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had this covered no matter what.
Speaker 13 (19:26):
Well, that's the way you would think. But if you
get into the psychology of a congenital liar like Joe Biden,
there's no telling how his mind works.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I mean, well, they do say that people who are
good liars believe the lies.
Speaker 13 (19:45):
Yeah, so not telling.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, okay, John, great to hear your voice as always.
Thanks so much for listening to us down there in
North Carolina. By the way, do you get us over
the year in the radio? Do you get us on
the internet?
Speaker 13 (19:57):
I get it over the air, which means that it's
in the winter months that I get the best reception.
In the summer, it's it's it's hard for me to
get it.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay. Well, keep listening, okay, I think you think, and
keep calling. Thanks John, And if I don't chat with
they have a great Christmas.
Speaker 13 (20:13):
Okay, thanks man, Bye bye John, bye bye.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Six one seven, two five four ten thirty. Got one
line there and one line at six one seven nine
three one ten thirty. And the ladies have been absent tonight,
and they were absent on this subject last night. I
don't understand. Maybe women and I don't want to generalize,
but I would think that women have a strong feeling
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on this. Either they could put themselves in the position
of a parent and and maybe agreed that the president
should have pardoned his son, or they can put themselves
in the position of someone who says, hey, even though
he pardoned, they would agree with me that he shouldn't
have lied. I think he should have equivocated in June.
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I think that when David Muir asked him the question,
will you pardon your son? I think he should have said, Look,
you're asking me a question, which is a hypothetical question.
I haven't even considered that. When the time comes, I
will look at it seriously, and I will make a
decision that I think is in the interest of justice
uh and and our legal system. And I would have
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left it at that, but he chose not to. Now again,
when he said no, he was then a candidate for president.
He eventually was moved out of that position by the
poobahs of the Democratic Party. We got the news six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six, seven ninety. That's filled the lines up. Coming
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back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w b
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Speaker 2 (21:49):
Okay, back to the calls. We're going to go next
to Paul in Pennsylvania. Paul, you were next to Nightside Welcome.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
Yeah, yeah, great show. Yeah, I'm going on and uh,
he hit the bail right in hand. When when President
Biden was interviewed back in June or whatever it was,
he as far as he knew, he was going to
be the writing for president. And I think a lot
of circumstances changed, and you're right, he quitted, equivocated, and
he came out with a direct answer. But I think that,
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you know, with his knowledge at the time of what
was going to happen, I think he gave what answer
he thought.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Did I lose you there, Paul, No, I'm here, Okay,
finished that that comment. I think you dropped off for
just a second. You were saying he equivocated what.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
He gave his answer back in June, and I believe
that's what he believed at the time. He wasn't going
to part the sun. He thought he was gonna be
rinning for president. And you know, a lot of things
changed in the last six months, like you said, and.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
So you you think you think that he was telling
the truth in June.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Yeah, I don't think he had any any uh, foresight
of what was gonna happen with the debate. I don't
think he had any idea his own party was going
to force him to step down. I don't think he's
saw for slighting those things.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Okay, so let me ask you this, Uh. Did you
did you vote for him in twenty twenty, No, I
did not.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
I voted for President Trump. But on the other hand,
don't Dan, I don't want President Trump next I wonder
for President Trump this time too, but I don't want
to see his whole next term, President Trump retribution tour,
where he's gonna get back and everybody to try to
put him in president believe.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Oh, I couldn't have. I couldn't. I agree with you totally.
And the reason is the more time that he spends
on what you call the retribution tour, uh, the less
time that he's spending on policy uh and on on
decisions that can can change the direction of the country
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and theoretically helped the American people, whether it's tightening up
the border or whether it's looking at what we have
to do to be better prepared militarily, how we're going
to deal with the the arrival of artificial intelligence, and
are we behind other countries around the world all of that. Yeah, no,
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I agree with you totally. But what I'm saying is
I can't believe that Joe Biden was not thinking in June,
hey maybe I'll run, maybe I'll win. If he won,
he then could pardon. He could say, hey, I was
supported by the American people, I'm pardoning my son, and
there was there would be no cost for him because
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he then would have four more years if if he lost,
let us say and and and he was the nominee,
he then has the two and a half months to say, okay,
before I leave, what am I going to do? There
will be other pardons. I don't know if they will
be related to Hunter Biden or to his family, but
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I think he may want to at least be thinking
about that at this point, don't you.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
What happened is when transpired in the last six months.
I think he really got bushwhacked, you know, between the
debate and them telling him to drop out and everything,
and and like you said, Dan, like in Brazil that
President Lula, he was actually in prison and he gets
out now he wants to put Bolson there on prison.
I don't want to live in the coutpy like that. Dad.
I don't think you have to either.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
No, absolutely not. I think that I've said for you know,
if you listen to the show regularly. I don't want
us to turn into a Banana republic. I mean, that's
what they do in Banana republics.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
I want President Trump to concentrate the policy and make
this a better country for MEU and whoever voted for
President Biden or Harris or whoever else.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Everyone he's the president. He will be the president on
January twentieth for everyone, whether they like, whether people like
it or not. I mean, you know, they don't have
to they don't have to agree to that. But there's
only one president at the time. Joe Biden is the
president of the country. Now, he's my president. He's your president.
Simple as that, right the way. Thanks, Thanks, Paul, appreciate.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
You, rank you, Dad.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Thank you a good night. Six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty.
Next up is Craig in Ohio. Craig, welcome back. How
are you Craig?
Speaker 8 (26:10):
All right?
Speaker 14 (26:11):
I just got two things I'm tired of here, and
did you know his child. He's a fifty four year
old man, you know, Hunter Biden.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yep.
Speaker 14 (26:24):
And you know in seven or eight months he's going
to be grouped up again. Guarantee it.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Well, you don't know. I mean, you might be right,
you might be wrong, but none of us can we
can we can speculate on the future. We can't predict
the future. Maybe he will just go off quietly. And
I don't know. I guess he could become a lobbyist,
no question about that. I mean, I'm sure that he
could work for any of the Democratic lobbying groups his
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you know he will. He will have some influence. I
guess he is his father on your Well, yeah, I mean,
I mean he could. Look I think I actually, I
think I'm going to revise and revoke my remarks here because,
to be honest with you, you're probably right. But he'll
end up something. There will be some law firm that
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will take him in. I guarantee you that, I guarantee
you that that there will be some primarily democratic law
firm that will take him in and shelter him for
the for the next ten or so years. And yeah,
he'll write a maybe he'll write a book. Who knows.
I don't know. I don't think is going to be homeless. Greg.
Speaker 14 (27:37):
I mean, yeah, that's true. But uh, I just get
tired of hearing his child his child.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, let me ask you if you have any kids
or no.
Speaker 14 (27:53):
No, I lost my son that game to go.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I'm sorry to hear that. I that's a tough one.
That's a tough one, Craig.
Speaker 14 (28:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
But I think any parent, you know, once someone said
to me that you'll always be your son's parent until
the day you die. And I understand that, and I
suspect that, you know, Joe Biden would have given up
a lot of his fame and fortune, h and even
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maybe his presidency if his son never ended up going
down that path of self destruction.
Speaker 14 (28:31):
I would hope. So. But one last thing, Dan, you know,
it just seems like people would know too much in Washington.
D see something happens to him.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well, well, there's a lot of people who go to Washington,
and look, there's a lot of people who end up
not with a very happy life. A lot of people
go to Washington, spend the rest of their lives there
and they retire. Look at Mitch McConnell. I mean, guy,
he's he's he just kind of There's a lot of
folks who go along to get along, and I think
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McConnell would be one of them. But you're right, there's
a lot of people who go there and they get
drunk with power and they make bad decisions. I guess
they do that in the NBA, the NFL, Major League Baseball,
and they probably do it in law firms and doctors' offices.
Speaker 14 (29:23):
Oh, everywhere.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Human beings, human beings fraught as we are. Wait hear
your voice, come on back more often. And if I
don't talk, you have a merry Christmas.
Speaker 14 (29:34):
Okay, take care Mary Christmas.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Also all right, thanks, thanks, great good night. Let me
go to Paul and Dorchester. Paul, you were next on Nightside. Welcome.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Hey, thanks Dan.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
You know, I am sorry to disagree with the other Paul,
but their retribution to her. I had three years of
Adam Shift coming down like the cat that swallowed the canary,
saying he's got that, but in he's got this, and
every day I had to listen to that for three years,
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and then to see them live before Congress. There's gotta
be some accountability. There's not can be like, oh, forget
about it, because it's like that the Republicans got like
like like no, uh, you know, like no manhood teams.
We go after him, and and you know what wawing
that was done.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Let me make a suggestion. Okay, if I were Donald
Trump's lawyer and I'm not or his legal counsel, as
they would say, I would say, let Congress do whatever
investigations they want. This should be something that should be
left to Congress. The present.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Yeah, somebody's gonna somebody's gotta get I. I three years
of Adam Shift driving me crazy. I just can't believe
that they're gonna just forget about it. He lied to
Congress all that stuff. You know, there's no law against
Pelosi ripping up a constitution. What trumps you know, uh,
his plan of action, and that was the most disrespectful
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thing I think I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
That what you're talking about, specifically was her ripping up
his State of the Union address and then clapping sarcastically
in his face right.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
While they were on camera. I mean like, yeah, it
was so bad.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, Oh, I mean there all that she displayed towards
Donald Trump was I thought repulsive at the time. I
said it at the time, I would have felt the
same way if it was if if Mike Johnson, the
Republican Speaker of the House, uh, did the same thing
to I mean if to a to a President Harris
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had she been elected, or to a President Biden. It
just unacceptable.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
One last point, Damp. They impeaced President Trump for what
Biden pardons his son fall. He made a phone call
to Zelenski about investigating Ukraine, and he was in peace
for that. And Biden had a punish, Uh, he had
a part in him for that crime that that Trump
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there was right to be investigated at the time, and
he was in peace for it. There was so much wrong, Dan.
It's not a retribution to her. It's called the it
was called weaponization of the of the FBI, the Justice Department,
the Department. There's just so much, Dan, that the fish
rots from the head down.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Well that that is that is a phrase that Mike Dukaka,
is a Democrat presidential candidate, often invoked. So, yeah, I
agree with you on that. And there was law fair, uh.
In my in my opinion, there were things that Donald
Trump did which were in my opinion, really dumb. I
mean when when he held all of those documents at
(33:02):
mar Lago in uh In after after his presidency. I
just think that was a mistake.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
That was at least authority was vice president. He had
no authority to do all that.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I understand that. But but when the FBI comes calling
and they're looking for documents, as as a lawyer, you say, look,
we're going to turn the documents over. We're going to
ask that a court audit order that they be kept
under seal was to decide whether or not you in
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fact have the right to keep those documents. And we'll
go through each and every document. But that way you
don't get yourself indicted.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
As as he But they showed up at people's houses.
They showed up at old man's houses in the middle
of the night with swat teams. They got people out
of bed. It was so unnecessary all this.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
You're absolutely true on that. How much of that you
can trace the Joe Biden, or how much of that
you can trace the Merrick Garland, or how much of
that you can trace to Christopher Ray of the FBI.
We'll have to find out.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Paul Lejoe Biden was the head and the fish rots
from the head down.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
All right, you got the final word. Appreciate you call Paul,
Thank you much, Thanks Dan, have a great night. All right,
So I got ten minutes left here, I get some
open lines six one seven, two four ten thirty, six
one seven, nine three ten thirty. Feel free to join
the conversation. The question is tonight. In my opinion, the
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question I'm trying to ask is in view of the
fact that the president has pardoned his son Hunter, who
else in his administration should he pardon? We had a
former Watergate prosecutor, prosecutor who was very pleased and happy
that Hunter Biden has pardoned, suggesting that the president, and
by the way, she's the supporter of the president, needs
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to preemptively maarden, meaning Joe Biden pardoned Hunter Biden for
crimes that he had been convicted for. This former Watergate
prosecutor wants Joe Biden to preemptively pardon, amongst others, Jack Smith,
the prosecutor of Donald Trump, as well as maybe Joe
Biden himself. Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty,
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six one seven, nine, ten thirty. Feel free to join
the conversation. I'm here for you. I hope you're here
for me coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nice Sight Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
We'll let us keep rolling, going to go to Joe
and Belmont. Joe, welcome back. How are you tonight, sir?
Speaker 15 (35:43):
Good? Uh, Merry Christmas, Dan.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Merry Christmas to you. Joe as well.
Speaker 15 (35:48):
I don't think President Trump should seek revenge against the
deep state because in the Bible it says revenge is mind,
says the Lord.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That's good point, Joe. I'm not sure how much of
a Bible reader Donald Trump is, but he certainly should
keep that in mind.
Speaker 15 (36:09):
I know he supports the evangelicals, but you know what
he says and does the two different things.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Whatever. I think you're right, you're right on that. Who
else should Joe Biden pardon? You think that's it for
Joe Biden's pardons or do you think that he should
pardon some others? Well?
Speaker 15 (36:24):
I think you know, law comes before family. But if
I was Joe Biden and I had a son, I
would be human and I would pardon my son, whether
it was right or wrong.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
All right, Well, that's an honest, honest answer, Joe, I
really appreciate your candor as always, Thank you, my friend.
We will talk soon and hopefully we'll talk before Christmas.
Speaker 15 (36:45):
Okay, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Merry Christmas. Right back at you, good night. Let me
go to David in New Hampshire. David, you were next
time nights. I go right ahead.
Speaker 8 (36:53):
Hey, Joe, nice to see you. Nice to talk to you.
Speaker 11 (36:56):
Joe just left.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I'm Dan, I'm the guy you call and go ahead.
Speaker 14 (37:00):
Sorry, Joe.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
I agree with Joe like I mean, you know, every
parent protects their child, but is it is it politically
correct in this situation?
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Well, I don't have I mean, the fact that he
pardoned his son doesn't surprise me, but it bothers me
that he lied about it.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
You know. That's where I come down. And he could
have easily said, you know, I haven't even contemplated that question.
There was still I think some open issues at that time.
I have no idea what his situation will be as
we go forward, and I will deal with that issue
as it comes up, and I'm not going to keep
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an open mind. I would have put it like that.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
And every parent will always protect their child, no matter
what situation it is. Would be in that position. Shouldn't
do you believe that? Is that?
Speaker 8 (38:02):
That?
Speaker 14 (38:03):
It is?
Speaker 8 (38:03):
It is correct that he did that.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I agree with you on that one as well. David.
Appreciate your call. I'm going to get one more in
before the night comes to a close. Thanks so much
for call more often. Okay, thanks, thank you, Bye bye.
Mary is in Arlington. Mary, you may wrap the hour
for us here.
Speaker 9 (38:19):
Go ahead, Mary, No, I'm calling about situation with Joe
Biden around the air.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Go ahead, Mary, this is Dan Ray.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
Are you doing thinking? I don't. I don't mind Joe
Biden partting his son. The thing is it was it
was opposite.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
It was.
Speaker 9 (38:51):
Dan Ray, do not.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
Trump doing it.
Speaker 9 (38:58):
It will be no problem. But I'm thinking it. I
know Joe lied to the American people right and said, hey.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I'm gonna he said, he said, I will not pardon him,
they said. When he was asked me your pardon, me
said no, that is that.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
That's totally correct.
Speaker 9 (39:18):
But I much better have the president lying to me
versus the President sitting me in the Oval office in
January six and saying, hey, I had nothing to do
with this.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Okay, Well that that's fine, and I'm so glad you
called it we should called earlier, but I'm flat out
of time.
Speaker 9 (39:36):
Thanks Mary, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Ever four were coming up here on a very chilly
Tuesday night. It seemed like only yesterday temperatures are in
the seventies. Now, all of a sudden, what do they
call it, the Montreal Express came blowing in from Canada.
It's actually coming in from Western Canada. So I hope
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warm and not outside. Okay. We talked tonight about four
interesting guests in the first hour, talking about scams with
Paula Fleming from the Boston Better Business Bureau, talked with
a fellow named Paul Martino about creating harmony in your home.
(00:49):
He actually says he can figure it out. And talked
with doctor Matthew Chalmers about Christmas movies, why some of
us love them and some of us hate them. And
then talk with doctor d Salim He's of Tufts Medically,
he's a cardiologist, and talked about the Physician Pathway Act
that was in the eighth During the nine we talked
about the problem of mass and casts and the drug
(01:11):
use and the violence maybe being dispersed to the Boston
common area. We had a guesst Rishi Schutklop of the
Downtown Boston Neighborhood Association. And then last time we talked
with Ken Smaller a Brookline. He's a writer and a
photographer and his specialty is visiting and photographing stadiums and
(01:31):
arenas around the country, which is very interesting avocation. He
has visited some get the I think the number was
just an absolutely crazy number of stadium or stadiums or
stadiums around the around the world. Twenty four countries, forty
(01:54):
eight states. Just interesting. Interesting guy. I wish more of
you had had stadium stories, but that's not my problem.
That's your problem, because you could have talked about your
first trip to a major league ballpark or to a
football stadium or whatever. Again, as you probably know, I
like to talk politics and I like to talk sports.
(02:15):
Those are my two wheelhouse topics. So we'll talk a
little politics now. Last night we did touch upon the
pardon for Hunter Biden, and tonight I have some reaction
from the typical reaction as you would expect. This is
(02:37):
a cut from Rachel Maddow of MSNBC, and my question
to you is, do you expect Rachel Maddow to be
outraged that Hunter Biden has been pardoned by his dad,
or do you think she will be supportive of it? Okay,
(02:59):
you've major. Here's the sound bite. Cut number one. Rachel
Matnow predictable.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It is true that President Biden had said he wouldn't
pardon his son, and it may or may not be related.
But would it change your mind at all if after
you made a pledge like that, the incoming next president
the announced that he planned to remove the director of
the FBI and install in his place someone who has
literally published a hit list of people he wants to
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go after once Trump is back in power.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So the question is why stop with Hunter? I mean,
if that's what the president is concerned about. Ironically, by
receiving a pardon, one of the problems about receiving a
pardon is you lose your Fifth Amendment rights because once
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you have received the pardon, you are no longer in jeopardy.
The pardon that President Biden gave to his son covers
January first of twenty fourteen, that's almost eleven years ago
to December one of twenty twenty four that is two
days ago. So basically, for anything that Hunter Biden did
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on a FED it could be charges of federal crime,
and of course he had been convicted on a gun
charges and on tax evasion charges. He is immune from
ever being charged with that again or anything relating to
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federal statutes during that near eleven year period. But the
downside is he could be called in front of a
congressional committee and he could be asked questions, and he
doesn't have the right to invoke the Fifth Amendment because
he has no criminal liability during that period of time,
assuming they're asking questions. So that raises the question of
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should President Biden and his legal team be smart enough
to consider pardoning other members of the administration the Biden administration.
A former Watergate prosecutor. I have never heard of this
person before. Her name is Jill Wine. Middle name is Wine,
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like drinking wine Banks, and she kind of addresses that issue.
Rob This is cut number five. Please.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I am relieved and thrilled that he did it. I
think this was one of those cases that called out
for clemency. Hunter Biden, first of all, would not have
ever been prosecuted for the gun crime but for his
last name. Second of all, he was addicted and that
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was a cause of his actions. He has now been
sober for many years, and this is a time when
it is really appropriate for a grant of clemency. I
hope that President Biden will also issue preemptive pardons to
all of those people threatened by the unjustice of what
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will become the Department of Justice in the Trump administration.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
That of course includes.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Jack Smith and all of his staff, many Department of
Justice lawyers. It includes President Biden himself.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Good, President Biden, is you a pardon for himself? What
about other members of the Biden family. Now that is
a statement from obviously a very unbiased prosecutor. I say
that with tongue planted, squirrely in cheek. Clearly she was thrilled.
(06:49):
That's her word. She's thrilled that Biden pardoned his son. Okay,
let's get a perspective. This is Jonathan Turley. He is
a legal expert, professor of law at George Washington University,
and I think a pretty solid guy. He happens to
also be a Fox commentator. This is cut number four.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
The pardon question came up repeatedly, and both he and
the White House were adamant that they weren't considering and
would not give a pardon. And as in twenty twenty
when he lied about his knowledge about the business dealings
of his son, he was running for election, running for
re election in twenty twenty four when he lied about
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his intentions on pardoning his son. Now, this is the
language of this pardon is virtually on virtually on precedented.
I mean you really Nixon was very, very broad, but
we've never seen anything like this. He's literally pardoning his
son for any crime that he may have committed during
these years, everything from money laundering the murder. Now, he
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could obviously be charged with state offenses, but the statue
limitations of largely run on those offenses. So it's a
really breathtaking act of contempt for the American people. And
it has happened over and over again.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So there's conflicting points of view. The former Watergate prosecutor
who's thrilled with the pardon, Jonathan Turley, is appalled by
the pardon, and I'd love to know what you think.
And the other question that I have is who else
should Joe Biden pardon because if he does really want
to be totally prophylactic and protect first of all, Donald
(08:34):
Trump has not set foot in the White House yet. Well,
he's set foot, but he has not been president yet.
He met with Joe Biden, very friendly conversation. Do you
think that that Trump is going to come in and
try to put in jail every Democrat that he can find.
(08:55):
I don't think so. I don't think he's going to
waste his time doing that. And if he, if he
tries to use lawfare against the Democrats, I will be
as critical of the law fair that was attempted in
some cases to be used against him. Law fair has
no place in our political system. He should he should
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focus and concentrate on the policies that he wants to
impose and whatever he wants to change. In terms of
the military status of the country, our preparedness, whether or
not we should have as many military bases covered around
the world. He has to worry about things like the
federal debt, which is now up over thirty six trillion
(09:37):
dollars I think at last count. But what's a few
bill and billion dollars between friends? So yeah, there's there's
monumental issues that Donald Trump has to deal with. I
don't think he's going to deal with a lot of
those So my question to you, my audience, is your
reaction to the to the pardon of Hunter Biden. Was
Joe Biden lying to us back in June? I think
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he was. I think that he knew that when he
said there's no way he's going to pardon his son,
he knew he was not telling the American people the truth. Now, again,
circumstances change over time. But I said last night, and
I'll say again, that he should have been much more
cautious about what he said, and he should have said, look,
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this is a situation that I'm not going to contemplate
until after the election. That's he at that point when
he was first asked that question. So just going to
open it up. Who else should Joe Biden pardon? I
don't think this is the end of it. I think
that the president, if he has competent legal counsel, is
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going to be told that there are others members of
his family. There's been suggestions that one of his brothers
might have been somehow involved. I don't know the extent
to which any of that is true, but it would
seem to me that if he's looking to protect his
son from a Justice department run by a Trump appointee,
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you exercise the same diligence and caution to other members
of his family. In my opinion, I have no idea
what the interpersonal relationship is between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
I assume it's not particularly good. Certainly would seem uh.
And once Donald Trump steps into the White House and
Joe Biden steps out of the White House for good,
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Joe Biden's presidential powers cease immediately as soon as Donald
Trump puts his hand on the Bible and swears the
oath of office. Six one seven, two, five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Feel
free to join the conversation. Also, I don't know if
any of you still use the triple eight number. Triple
eight nine two nine, ten thirty. We're talking pardons and
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feel free. Some of you weren't able to get in
last night. Just give you an opportunity. Open up these
phone lines. We'll be right back on night Side. This
is a quick break, so we'll call quickly. Coming back
on knights Side.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios, WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Or let's go to the call. Six one seven, two
five four ten thirty. Those lines are full six one
seven nine three one ten thirty. Both of those lines
are open. Let me start it off with Archie in Sagus. Archie,
you were first tonight.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
On Hi the.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yep, go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
He did the right kind of a right thing, even
though I don't support it. Biden did the right thing
by it because you don't want another.
Speaker 8 (12:36):
Shore.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
But Bien, uh, you know it's going to take a
long time and on their tack face experenses, what is that?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Okay, I'm trying to follow you. So let me let
me stick let me stick with it here. Okay, yeah,
he you you agree that the president did the right thing,
but tell me why you feel he did that.
Speaker 9 (13:00):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Personally, I don't think he did the right thing, but
I agree with the decision because that we are going
to have another a big kind of a legal battle
on a taxpayers expenses for years, same as they did
to the Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Okay, so you're saying that by pardoning his son, that's
going to save the taxpayer's money. That was his motivation.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Yeah, it's all what I'm done with, and so we
don't have to worry about it and call it a day.
You know, sometimes you were not lose, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Okay, Now, let me ask you this. A lot of people,
there's a lot of people in this country who end
up in jail for for relatively minor crimes, including oftentimes
young people who may not have the privilege of having
your dad the president of the United States. Does this,
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in your mind prove that we have a two tier
system of justice.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Sometimes there's an exception because he's the president and he's
in a high rank.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
To do that.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Okay, So let's assume that Donald Trump's one of Donald
Trump's children got into a similar problem. Donald Trump or
one of you know, Donald Trump, Donald Trump Junior, or
one of the other you know, Trump children. Would you
feel the same way if Trump Donald a president, Donald
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Trump pardoned his.
Speaker 10 (14:44):
Son, I feel the same way, because there is sometimes
the thing has to be done man in a different.
Speaker 11 (14:55):
Way because of the situation, rather than you know, there
you have to admit that if the president and the
next person who's coming in Trump is going to be
a president, you don't want the rest of the worst
to look at it and say, hey, this guy's doing
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this and that.
Speaker 12 (15:17):
And the other thing is uh, it would be nice
your Biden turned around and say, buying the dollars Trump
for any kind of things that you have done in
the bus, even though Trump could do the same thing
for himself.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, believe most of those those cases, at least the
federal cases have at this point been dropped. Archie, appreciate it,
Thank you very much. A very interesting analysis, quite different
than mine. But I was interested in your your your logic,
and there's certainly a consistency to that logic. Thanks Archie,
appreciate your call.
Speaker 11 (15:56):
Thank you, Dan, You have a wonderful night.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
All right, YouTube, let me go to John in North Carolina. John,
you were next on Nightside. Who else should Joe Biden pardon?
Speaker 13 (16:07):
Well he should. William have to pardon James because James
is right in the thick of things.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That's his brother, that would be his brother, right.
Speaker 13 (16:17):
But to comment on the I guess it was Rachel
Maddow the clip that you played. Yes, it's really ludicrous
for these people to be making these to be excusing
Hunter based on his being addicted to drugs, because I
dare say, a lot of career criminals are addicted to drugs,
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and it's instead of being an excuse, it's an aggravating
factor it is.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
It is particularly Yuh. Well, I don't know. Maybe the
defense lawyers will jump on the idea. Oh you ever know.
I mean, we may have new legal precedent here. I
just think it's I just think it's interesting. What I
am not as bothered. I don't know about you. I'm
not as bothered by what the president did in terms
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of the part because I think anyone who has a
child would probably react in a similar fashion. I am
bothered by the fact that he sat there and lived
to the American public.
Speaker 13 (17:21):
In June in ju Well, let me comment on that.
I this idea about well, it's because it's his son.
You know, I'm reminded of back in the days of
the Roman Republic, the mothers would tell their sons, you
either come back with your shield or come back on it.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So it's a little different. Yeah, I go back a
long way. I remember hearing those stories. I never covered that,
by the way as a reporter. Just to make it clear, okay.
Speaker 13 (17:53):
But I had just one more comment about the drug.
The drug thing. You know, another excuse they're making for
high is that, well, he's been clean for the past
five and a half years of drugs. So my question is,
who's cocaine was that that they found in the White
House a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Well, it wasn't necessarily his if he's been clean, would
it now?
Speaker 8 (18:20):
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I mean if you believe yeah, whatever. Well, I mean again,
my fault with the president is he basically sat there
at Normandy and someone mentioned it last night. He's sitting
there in normal in Normandy, you know, which is obviously
hallowed American ground, although it's in France. A lot of
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American blood was shed there on June sixth, nineteen forty four.
And I think he lied. I think that he knew
that when push came to shove, he was going to
pardon Hunter Biden. I think if if he had stood
for reelection in one he could have parted the knowing
that that his he had another four years in the
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White House. If he stepped aside and Harris won the race,
I'm sure she would have pardoned Hunter Biden. At least
I believe she would have partnered Hunter Biden as a
courtesy to Joe Biden. And if she had lost the race.
Joe Biden was still president for the ballance of November
December and until January twentieth, So he knew that he
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had this covered no matter what.
Speaker 13 (19:26):
Well, that's the way you would think. But if you
get into the psychology of a congenital liar like Joe Biden,
there's no telling how his mind works.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I mean, well, they do say that people who are
good liars believe the lies.
Speaker 13 (19:45):
Yeah, so not telling.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, okay, John, great to hear your voice as always.
Thanks so much for listening to us down there in
North Carolina. By the way, do you get us over
the year in the radio? Do you get us on
the internet?
Speaker 13 (19:57):
I get it over the air, which means that it's
in the winter months that I get the best reception.
In the summer, it's it's it's hard for me to
get it.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay. Well, keep listening, okay, I think you think, and
keep calling. Thanks John, And if I don't chat with
they have a great Christmas.
Speaker 13 (20:13):
Okay, thanks man, Bye bye John, bye bye.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Six one seven, two five four ten thirty. Got one
line there and one line at six one seven nine
three one ten thirty. And the ladies have been absent tonight,
and they were absent on this subject last night. I
don't understand. Maybe women and I don't want to generalize,
but I would think that women have a strong feeling
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on this. Either they could put themselves in the position
of a parent and and maybe agreed that the president
should have pardoned his son, or they can put themselves
in the position of someone who says, hey, even though
he pardoned, they would agree with me that he shouldn't
have lied. I think he should have equivocated in June.
(20:58):
I think that when David Muir asked him the question,
will you pardon your son? I think he should have said, Look,
you're asking me a question, which is a hypothetical question.
I haven't even considered that. When the time comes, I
will look at it seriously, and I will make a
decision that I think is in the interest of justice
uh and and our legal system. And I would have
(21:19):
left it at that, but he chose not to. Now again,
when he said no, he was then a candidate for president.
He eventually was moved out of that position by the
poobahs of the Democratic Party. We got the news six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six, seven ninety. That's filled the lines up. Coming
(21:39):
back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w b
Z Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Okay, back to the calls. We're going to go next
to Paul in Pennsylvania. Paul, you were next to Nightside Welcome.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
Yeah, yeah, great show. Yeah, I'm going on and uh,
he hit the bail right in hand. When when President
Biden was interviewed back in June or whatever it was,
he as far as he knew, he was going to
be the writing for president. And I think a lot
of circumstances changed, and you're right, he quitted, equivocated, and
he came out with a direct answer. But I think that,
(22:19):
you know, with his knowledge at the time of what
was going to happen, I think he gave what answer
he thought.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Did I lose you there, Paul, No, I'm here, Okay,
finished that that comment. I think you dropped off for
just a second. You were saying he equivocated what.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
He gave his answer back in June, and I believe
that's what he believed at the time. He wasn't going
to part the sun. He thought he was gonna be
rinning for president. And you know, a lot of things
changed in the last six months, like you said, and.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
So you you think you think that he was telling
the truth in June.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
Yeah, I don't think he had any any uh, foresight
of what was gonna happen with the debate. I don't
think he had any idea his own party was going
to force him to step down. I don't think he's
saw for slighting those things.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Okay, so let me ask you this, Uh. Did you
did you vote for him in twenty twenty, No, I
did not.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
I voted for President Trump. But on the other hand,
don't Dan, I don't want President Trump next I wonder
for President Trump this time too, but I don't want
to see his whole next term, President Trump retribution tour,
where he's gonna get back and everybody to try to
put him in president believe.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Oh, I couldn't have. I couldn't. I agree with you totally.
And the reason is the more time that he spends
on what you call the retribution tour, uh, the less
time that he's spending on policy uh and on on
decisions that can can change the direction of the country
(23:52):
and theoretically helped the American people, whether it's tightening up
the border or whether it's looking at what we have
to do to be better prepared militarily, how we're going
to deal with the the arrival of artificial intelligence, and
are we behind other countries around the world all of that. Yeah, no,
(24:13):
I agree with you totally. But what I'm saying is
I can't believe that Joe Biden was not thinking in June,
hey maybe I'll run, maybe I'll win. If he won,
he then could pardon. He could say, hey, I was
supported by the American people, I'm pardoning my son, and
there was there would be no cost for him because
(24:33):
he then would have four more years if if he lost,
let us say and and and he was the nominee,
he then has the two and a half months to say, okay,
before I leave, what am I going to do? There
will be other pardons. I don't know if they will
be related to Hunter Biden or to his family, but
(24:54):
I think he may want to at least be thinking
about that at this point, don't you.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
What happened is when transpired in the last six months.
I think he really got bushwhacked, you know, between the
debate and them telling him to drop out and everything,
and and like you said, Dan, like in Brazil that
President Lula, he was actually in prison and he gets
out now he wants to put Bolson there on prison.
I don't want to live in the coutpy like that. Dad.
I don't think you have to either.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
No, absolutely not. I think that I've said for you know,
if you listen to the show regularly. I don't want
us to turn into a Banana republic. I mean, that's
what they do in Banana republics.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
I want President Trump to concentrate the policy and make
this a better country for MEU and whoever voted for
President Biden or Harris or whoever else.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Everyone he's the president. He will be the president on
January twentieth for everyone, whether they like, whether people like
it or not. I mean, you know, they don't have
to they don't have to agree to that. But there's
only one president at the time. Joe Biden is the
president of the country. Now, he's my president. He's your president.
Simple as that, right the way. Thanks, Thanks, Paul, appreciate.
Speaker 8 (25:58):
You, rank you, Dad.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Thank you a good night. Six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty.
Next up is Craig in Ohio. Craig, welcome back. How
are you Craig?
Speaker 8 (26:10):
All right?
Speaker 14 (26:11):
I just got two things I'm tired of here, and
did you know his child. He's a fifty four year
old man, you know, Hunter Biden.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yep.
Speaker 14 (26:24):
And you know in seven or eight months he's going
to be grouped up again. Guarantee it.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Well, you don't know. I mean, you might be right,
you might be wrong, but none of us can we
can we can speculate on the future. We can't predict
the future. Maybe he will just go off quietly. And
I don't know. I guess he could become a lobbyist,
no question about that. I mean, I'm sure that he
could work for any of the Democratic lobbying groups his
(26:55):
you know he will. He will have some influence. I
guess he is his father on your Well, yeah, I mean,
I mean he could. Look I think I actually, I
think I'm going to revise and revoke my remarks here because,
to be honest with you, you're probably right. But he'll
end up something. There will be some law firm that
(27:16):
will take him in. I guarantee you that, I guarantee
you that that there will be some primarily democratic law
firm that will take him in and shelter him for
the for the next ten or so years. And yeah,
he'll write a maybe he'll write a book. Who knows.
I don't know. I don't think is going to be homeless. Greg.
Speaker 14 (27:37):
I mean, yeah, that's true. But uh, I just get
tired of hearing his child his child.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, let me ask you if you have any kids
or no.
Speaker 14 (27:53):
No, I lost my son that game to go.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I'm sorry to hear that. I that's a tough one.
That's a tough one, Craig.
Speaker 14 (28:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
But I think any parent, you know, once someone said
to me that you'll always be your son's parent until
the day you die. And I understand that, and I
suspect that, you know, Joe Biden would have given up
a lot of his fame and fortune, h and even
(28:25):
maybe his presidency if his son never ended up going
down that path of self destruction.
Speaker 14 (28:31):
I would hope. So. But one last thing, Dan, you know,
it just seems like people would know too much in Washington.
D see something happens to him.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well, well, there's a lot of people who go to Washington,
and look, there's a lot of people who end up
not with a very happy life. A lot of people
go to Washington, spend the rest of their lives there
and they retire. Look at Mitch McConnell. I mean, guy,
he's he's he just kind of There's a lot of
folks who go along to get along, and I think
(29:07):
McConnell would be one of them. But you're right, there's
a lot of people who go there and they get
drunk with power and they make bad decisions. I guess
they do that in the NBA, the NFL, Major League Baseball,
and they probably do it in law firms and doctors' offices.
Speaker 14 (29:23):
Oh, everywhere.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Human beings, human beings fraught as we are. Wait hear
your voice, come on back more often. And if I
don't talk, you have a merry Christmas.
Speaker 14 (29:34):
Okay, take care Mary Christmas.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Also all right, thanks, thanks, great good night. Let me
go to Paul and Dorchester. Paul, you were next on Nightside. Welcome.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Hey, thanks Dan.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
You know, I am sorry to disagree with the other Paul,
but their retribution to her. I had three years of
Adam Shift coming down like the cat that swallowed the canary,
saying he's got that, but in he's got this, and
every day I had to listen to that for three years,
(30:04):
and then to see them live before Congress. There's gotta
be some accountability. There's not can be like, oh, forget
about it, because it's like that the Republicans got like
like like no, uh, you know, like no manhood teams.
We go after him, and and you know what wawing
that was done.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Let me make a suggestion. Okay, if I were Donald
Trump's lawyer and I'm not or his legal counsel, as
they would say, I would say, let Congress do whatever
investigations they want. This should be something that should be
left to Congress. The present.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Yeah, somebody's gonna somebody's gotta get I. I three years
of Adam Shift driving me crazy. I just can't believe
that they're gonna just forget about it. He lied to
Congress all that stuff. You know, there's no law against
Pelosi ripping up a constitution. What trumps you know, uh,
his plan of action, and that was the most disrespectful
(31:07):
thing I think I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
That what you're talking about, specifically was her ripping up
his State of the Union address and then clapping sarcastically
in his face right.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
While they were on camera. I mean like, yeah, it
was so bad.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, Oh, I mean there all that she displayed towards
Donald Trump was I thought repulsive at the time. I
said it at the time, I would have felt the
same way if it was if if Mike Johnson, the
Republican Speaker of the House, uh, did the same thing
to I mean if to a to a President Harris
(31:47):
had she been elected, or to a President Biden. It
just unacceptable.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
One last point, Damp. They impeaced President Trump for what
Biden pardons his son fall. He made a phone call
to Zelenski about investigating Ukraine, and he was in peace
for that. And Biden had a punish, Uh, he had
a part in him for that crime that that Trump
(32:17):
there was right to be investigated at the time, and
he was in peace for it. There was so much wrong, Dan.
It's not a retribution to her. It's called the it
was called weaponization of the of the FBI, the Justice Department,
the Department. There's just so much, Dan, that the fish
rots from the head down.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Well that that is that is a phrase that Mike Dukaka,
is a Democrat presidential candidate, often invoked. So, yeah, I
agree with you on that. And there was law fair, uh.
In my in my opinion, there were things that Donald
Trump did which were in my opinion, really dumb. I
mean when when he held all of those documents at
(33:02):
mar Lago in uh In after after his presidency. I
just think that was a mistake.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
That was at least authority was vice president. He had
no authority to do all that.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I understand that. But but when the FBI comes calling
and they're looking for documents, as as a lawyer, you say, look,
we're going to turn the documents over. We're going to
ask that a court audit order that they be kept
under seal was to decide whether or not you in
(33:37):
fact have the right to keep those documents. And we'll
go through each and every document. But that way you
don't get yourself indicted.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
As as he But they showed up at people's houses.
They showed up at old man's houses in the middle
of the night with swat teams. They got people out
of bed. It was so unnecessary all this.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
You're absolutely true on that. How much of that you
can trace the Joe Biden, or how much of that
you can trace the Merrick Garland, or how much of
that you can trace to Christopher Ray of the FBI.
We'll have to find out.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Paul Lejoe Biden was the head and the fish rots
from the head down.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
All right, you got the final word. Appreciate you call Paul,
Thank you much, Thanks Dan, have a great night. All right,
So I got ten minutes left here, I get some
open lines six one seven, two four ten thirty, six
one seven, nine three ten thirty. Feel free to join
the conversation. The question is tonight. In my opinion, the
(34:38):
question I'm trying to ask is in view of the
fact that the president has pardoned his son Hunter, who
else in his administration should he pardon? We had a
former Watergate prosecutor, prosecutor who was very pleased and happy
that Hunter Biden has pardoned, suggesting that the president, and
by the way, she's the supporter of the president, needs
(34:58):
to preemptively maarden, meaning Joe Biden pardoned Hunter Biden for
crimes that he had been convicted for. This former Watergate
prosecutor wants Joe Biden to preemptively pardon, amongst others, Jack Smith,
the prosecutor of Donald Trump, as well as maybe Joe
Biden himself. Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty,
(35:22):
six one seven, nine, ten thirty. Feel free to join
the conversation. I'm here for you. I hope you're here
for me coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nice Sight Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
We'll let us keep rolling, going to go to Joe
and Belmont. Joe, welcome back. How are you tonight, sir?
Speaker 15 (35:43):
Good? Uh, Merry Christmas, Dan.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Merry Christmas to you. Joe as well.
Speaker 15 (35:48):
I don't think President Trump should seek revenge against the
deep state because in the Bible it says revenge is mind,
says the Lord.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That's good point, Joe. I'm not sure how much of
a Bible reader Donald Trump is, but he certainly should
keep that in mind.
Speaker 15 (36:09):
I know he supports the evangelicals, but you know what
he says and does the two different things.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Whatever. I think you're right, you're right on that. Who
else should Joe Biden pardon? You think that's it for
Joe Biden's pardons or do you think that he should
pardon some others? Well?
Speaker 15 (36:24):
I think you know, law comes before family. But if
I was Joe Biden and I had a son, I
would be human and I would pardon my son, whether
it was right or wrong.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
All right, Well, that's an honest, honest answer, Joe, I
really appreciate your candor as always, Thank you, my friend.
We will talk soon and hopefully we'll talk before Christmas.
Speaker 15 (36:45):
Okay, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Merry Christmas. Right back at you, good night. Let me
go to David in New Hampshire. David, you were next
time nights. I go right ahead.
Speaker 8 (36:53):
Hey, Joe, nice to see you. Nice to talk to you.
Speaker 11 (36:56):
Joe just left.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I'm Dan, I'm the guy you call and go ahead.
Speaker 14 (37:00):
Sorry, Joe.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
I agree with Joe like I mean, you know, every
parent protects their child, but is it is it politically
correct in this situation?
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Well, I don't have I mean, the fact that he
pardoned his son doesn't surprise me, but it bothers me
that he lied about it.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
You know. That's where I come down. And he could
have easily said, you know, I haven't even contemplated that question.
There was still I think some open issues at that time.
I have no idea what his situation will be as
we go forward, and I will deal with that issue
as it comes up, and I'm not going to keep
(37:48):
an open mind. I would have put it like that.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
And every parent will always protect their child, no matter
what situation it is. Would be in that position. Shouldn't
do you believe that? Is that?
Speaker 8 (38:02):
That?
Speaker 14 (38:03):
It is?
Speaker 8 (38:03):
It is correct that he did that.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I agree with you on that one as well. David.
Appreciate your call. I'm going to get one more in
before the night comes to a close. Thanks so much
for call more often. Okay, thanks, thank you, Bye bye.
Mary is in Arlington. Mary, you may wrap the hour
for us here.
Speaker 9 (38:19):
Go ahead, Mary, No, I'm calling about situation with Joe
Biden around the air.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Go ahead, Mary, this is Dan Ray.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
Are you doing thinking? I don't. I don't mind Joe
Biden partting his son. The thing is it was it
was opposite.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
It was.
Speaker 9 (38:51):
Dan Ray, do not.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
Trump doing it.
Speaker 9 (38:58):
It will be no problem. But I'm thinking it. I
know Joe lied to the American people right and said, hey.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I'm gonna he said, he said, I will not pardon him,
they said. When he was asked me your pardon, me
said no, that is that.
Speaker 7 (39:16):
That's totally correct.
Speaker 9 (39:18):
But I much better have the president lying to me
versus the President sitting me in the Oval office in
January six and saying, hey, I had nothing to do
with this.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Okay, Well that that's fine, and I'm so glad you
called it we should called earlier, but I'm flat out
of time.
Speaker 9 (39:36):
Thanks Mary, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Great night, good night, done for the night everybody again.
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