December 4, 2024 • 41 mins
President Elect Donald Trump warned terrorist group Hamas that, "there will be all hell to pay in the Middle East” if the Israeli hostages taken during the Oct. 7th attack in Israel are not released prior to his inauguration on January 20th. A spokesperson for Hamas responded, blaming Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu for blocking progress toward an agreement.
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top of this hour to pay tribute to a nightside
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Hank Hank Papoor, who lived a very full life, was
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I want to wish his family, you know, you know,
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I mean, he had a great sense of humor, and
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in my life and had spent more time in contact
with him, But we had a good three or four years.
And rest in peace, friend, Rest in peace you You
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in a far better place. So I don't do that
often for listeners, but he was a special guy, and
I thank you for allowing me to do that. Now.
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I want to get back to the topic we're talking about,
and I think this is an important topic. You know,
I often try to challenge my audience. Could I could
do topics here every night of the week, you know,
tell me your favorite pizza, tell me your favorite color.
We sometimes do those sort of lighter topics on a
Friday at eleven o'clock or a Friday night at ten o'clock,
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but this is one that the president elect has issued
an ultimatum. This is what this is on truth social
basically said to Hamas, and I guess to ran As
Will from Long Island, I think astutely pointed out if
the hostages are not released prior to January twentieth, twenty
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twenty five, the date that I proudly assume office as
President of the United States, be all hell to pay
in the Middle East, and for those in charge who
perportated these atrocities against humanity. That's directed to Hamas. In
my opinion, those responsible, and here's where iron comes in,
will be hit harder than anybody has been hit in
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the long and storied history of the United States of America.
Release the hostages, now, that is a very strong statement. Now,
if this strong statement were to work, and AMAS were
to decide to release those hostages, I think it would
be remembered as a brilliant, brilliant challenge. I'm not sure
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that Hamas will comply. And the reason I'm not sure
they will comply is one they don't think they care.
I don't think that they worry. I think that they
see their role in this world quite differently than any
of us can even understand. In view of what they
did on October the seventh, they have no more compass whatsoever.
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Their only compasses for survival. And I suspect that the
presence of some of the hostages still being alive is
their ticket to tomorrow, because as long as there are
hostages who are alive, we value the lives of everyone
differently that Hamas values them. Hamas looks at these Israelis
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and Americans who are still in captivity as of chips
in a war that, in their mind, will never end.
So I don't think Donald Trump is going to get
the concessions that he's looking for. I hope he does.
So then the question is what happens if he does
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take that oath of office? What action does he take?
So that's the question I'm asking. I think it was
a brilliant idea to issue this this threat, this promise,
and maybe Hamas will look at him and say, hey,
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we can't trust him. Let's ask for safe passage out
of here. Let us get to a country which will
allow us to live there, and we will reconstitute ourselves.
That would be the way that I think a pragmatist
within Hamas would be thinking. And maybe maybe there's some
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intelligence which suggests to us that that will strike a court.
I don't know. My question to you is what do
you think Donald Trump does if they don't release the hostages?
And now it's day one, day two, day three, day four,
day five of the second Trump administration. I think the
President elect has kind of backed themselves into a corner
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where unless Harmast does something very significant, they will be
able to turn around and say, hey, we would stood
the we would stood the threat, and we're still standing.
So the wisdom of the ultimatum, and it is an ultimatum,
it's an or else ultimatum, there's no doubt about that. Now, again,
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he is not the president of the United States yet,
but he will be. I think it's at this point
forty six days maybe if I'm doing my math correctly,
twenty five twenty six days left here in December, twenty
days in January. That's it. That's it. That's the end
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of Biden Harris presidency, and it's the start of the
forty seventh president, Donald Trump. So whether you like Donald
Trump voted for Donald Trump, can't stan Donald Trump would
never vote for Donald Trump. He has played a card
here that maybe to work. I don't know. My question
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is do you agree with what Donald Trump did here?
I don't think he broke any US law at all
by suggesting this. He's just sent a message to Hamas.
He's not negotiating with a foreign power. And what does
he do? What does he do if Hamas does not comply?
What does he do if that portion of the ultimatum
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or else is not fulfilled by Hamas? Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
I'm hoping you'll think, and I'm hoping you'll join the conversation.
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Speaker 4 (09:36):
Now now back to Dan ray Line from the window
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Speaker 3 (09:45):
Back to the phones. We're go. I'm going to go
to Joe and Lynn. Joe, thanks for calding through the news.
You are next on Nightside. Did I miss Where's Joe?
Let's put Joe on hold? If Joe's not there, he
held through the news. Laurie is an idah, Oh, Laurie,
how are you tonight?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I'm doing well.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Nice to have you back.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, I'm happy to be back. I'm here tomorrow night,
I'm off Friday, and then I'm here for two weeks
right till the twentieth of December. So you're gonna have
a lot of me if you want me, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Lord.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
So I'm kind of the opposite of back himself during
the corner. I feel more like he's walked into the
walking into the room, talking and carrying a big stick.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Okay, So let's assume Hamas does the right thing and
gives up the hostages. Even if they do it, do
some sort of a deal whereby they're given free passage
to another Middle Eastern country. I think he comes out
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looking pretty good. What happens if they don't and they say, hey,
mister President, it's January twenty first, next move is up
to you.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
What happens then, well, I can't believe that Trump and
mister don't don't already have kind of a plan in
that way, and maybe Pakistan wouldn't want any part of
it and send them packing.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Would you say about Pakistan?
Speaker 5 (11:14):
No, I wouldn't know, not Pakistan. Whose other I mean,
who who's landed Hamas actually on?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Well, well they're on what they call Palestine. Oh oh yeah,
but it is is an area that is run by
had been run by the Palestinian authoritys ousted them in
an election earlier this century. Uh, and I think it
was in two thousand and six if I'm not mistaken,
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and then they've never had another election. It's like they're
in perpetuity.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
There's nobody that can really kick them off of where
they're living.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Then, well, who is talking about Israel? Israel would love
to kick him off.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, I'm just saying that when when President Trump or
President elect Trump used the phraseology here that those responsible
have hit harder than anybody who has been hit anybody
who has been hit in the long story history of
the United States of America released the hostages. Now, I
have no idea who he might Oh that.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Could have been Iran.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Maybe maybe they've Yeah, I don't know, but I just
think he's I think he's making a little bit of
a noise walking in the room. And if that goes away,
before he gets in office. That will be one lest
thing he has to deal with. And it also makes,
you know, America look like it's being strong again. And
I think it's good for Perozrael to know that they're
being supported. And also all the family members that have
hostages over there, alive or dead, have a right to know.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
What's you know, I.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Guess to put it in simpler terms, he's setting a tone, Yes,
a new tone. Hey, Laurie, let me ask you. Yeah,
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Great, great to your voice. I know we'll talk to
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we lost you, and thank goodness you have come back.
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How are you tonight, Joe?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Oh well, I'm doing the best I can. Wish me luck.
I'm going to Dana Farbur a couple of weeks, but
just wish me luck. I heard the commercial. I love
that they were very the.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Best medical hands. I think we're all very blessed.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
They were kind to me that They said to me,
we don't blame you with alternative. We can discuss it.
He says, you'll like the doctor when you meet him.
They were kind to me. At least they're open minded.
Dan and I hope. I'd love to buy one of
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the website. I'm not that good of the website. Now,
getting back to this, I think Trump should do it,
not yet Yea who I can pronounce his name yah
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bomb pronunciation bomb Helmas out of existence, because that's the
only way they're going to get rid of them. I mean,
we may or may not lose the hostages, but first
try and take down their structure. That he may have
to do that. And because I heard net Ya who
say that one time. He says they should be gotten
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rid of, and that's the price we pay, you know
what I.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Mean, Well, we're not paying that price the hostages would
be paid.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I mean that's that's unless we can get get rid
of them without hurting the hostages. But I don't know, but.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, I think that the hostages, however, many remain. However,
many are still alive, and I think that the number
of the maximum number would be one hundred because some
have been rescued, a handful of rescued by Israeli soldiers
died during the conflict, and some have died in captivity.
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The belief is one hundred at the outside. There were
two hundred and fifty people taking hostage at the beginning,
so they're down to forty percent of what they had. Yeah,
I don't know that Hamas is going to rise to
the occasion and do the right thing here, because I think,
like anything else in a hostage situation, they are chips
that Hamas might need to pay, need to play cards,
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they need to play, and I unless they're going to
work a deal, I mean, what if Hamas said, look,
give us safe passage for the leadership that's left your
twenty five Hamas leaders, We get to go to the
Arab Emirates or Cutter or somewhere that would take them,
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and we will leave the hostages for you to come
and rescue.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh well, Dan, I don't think that will work because
no one wants those people. Am I correct? Is They're
not like throughout the Middle East?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Or I think that none of these countries wanted the
refugee issues of all the Palestinians. I don't think that
no country wanted to absorb that. But you might get
a Cutter or a United Arab Emirates to say, Okay,
we will take you know, twenty people or whatever. I think.
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I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I mean the reason I say that because our people
go over to those countries sometimes and visit. They have
to be careful. I don't know. I don't think that's
going to work any of.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Those countries at this point. Joe, you have to be
yea as an American. Look, you go anywhere in the world,
and you have to be careful as an American unless
you go to some country, and even if a country
that's friendly.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
To us, well, I don't I don't know. That's may
or may not work, But I don't know. I think
that Trump has no choice but to do whatever he
wants to do, and I hope he doesn't disappear. I
hope he does it. And I did have a decent
Thanksgiving this year. I visited my friend who invited me.
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But I'll probably be alone in Christmas. But that's the
way it is, I guess, all right. That's the social
work was very nice to me. He understood how I felt.
I talk to you, and at least he's open minded.
Now that's what you need.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
You know, absolutely, Joe. You've got a battle on your hands,
but I think you're a tough guy and you're gonna
win it.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Okay, Well I don't know how tough I am, but
all right, thanks Joe, thank you, Bye bye.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Let me go to Sidney. Gonna get Cindy and Fitchburgh
in here. Cindy, you are next on night side. Get
you in before the news at the bottom of the hour.
How are you.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
That's wonderful, Thank you, thank you for having me. I'm
okay hearing the ultimatum and taking it at face value.
It's a It's a frightening thing to think about. And
I think about my grandkids who are eleven and thirteen,
who could read the quotes and take it even further.
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How do we how do we deal with this ultimatum?
And how do we communicate this in a common way
to those around us? How do we how do we
help each other deal with this?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Well?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Care it's scary, but the world is a scary place.
And you put yourself in the position of the families
who have hostages there. I mean that have lived now
what fifteen months or so fourteen and a half months,
knowing that they're not knowing of the fate of their
loved ones. The bad guys here are Hamas. It's not
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the Palestinian people, but it's Hamas who did this. Some
of these hostages have been killed. And Donald Trump issued
an ultimatum. And let me tell you, as one of
our other callers said, once you're right the check, sometimes
you have to pay the bills. So I don't know
what he has in mind, but he certainly made it
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very clear that he intends to extract quite a price
if these hostages are not released by January twentieth.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
So there's no common thought to go with this, is there.
This is a fact, and this is.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Stakes. Yeah, I mean, I mean, if they're released, the
only thing I see is if you know, Israel has
in the past traded up to one thousand inmates members
of Hamas for one single Israeli soldier. I mean, that's
the value that Israel puts on the lives of their
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citizens and members of their military. So maybe maybe Hamas
reaches out and this is intended to break the logjam,
and Hamas says, look, you give us free passage out
of here. You know, twenty people, twenty five people, whatever
leadership has left, and we will provide you give us
free passage. We want to go to you know, pick
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a country, United Arab Emirates, Cutter, any of the countries
in the Middle East, and we will have the hostages
ready to be released as soon as we cross out
of out of gossip.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
I wouldn't that be something what I said, wouldn't that
be something?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
It would be and it would be something for Donald
Trump to say, hey, it was it was his initiative.
It's like a log jam now. But are they And
again I think that everybody has focused for a long
time on the Ukraine War, which is which is important.
But I think what's going on in Israel is is critical.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Well, thank you
for taking my call. I guess there's just no comforting
way to think about this, and it is what it is,
and I'm afraid of the worst case scenario. So time
will tell.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
What's the worst case scenario in your mind?
Speaker 7 (22:44):
That that when Trump takes office, they will not have
been released and he will unleash Holy hell.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I guess that's what he said.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
That's the quote all hell to pay, There will be
all hell to pay. You're right, and I believe him.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
I did not vote for him, but I believe when
he says something like that, and that scares me. All right, well,
thank you so much. I've never called before. I've listened
for many years. I was in grade school listening to
Larry Glick.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
You know, all right, well look, okay, you what sent you?
Your first time calling Cindy. And since I'm in.
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Speaker 7 (24:15):
Thank you so much, thank you, thank you, thank you
so see. I got happy with this call anyway.
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Okay, Well Cindy, you keep listening to Nightside and become
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which would be great six one, seven, two, four, ten
thirty six, one, seven, nine thirty. I think this is
a great topic. You may not uh and ultimately your
your thoughts are the ones that prevail here. I'd love
to talk about this until midnight. Has Donald Trump written
a check that he cannot cash, as I think Roger
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from Melrose suggested in the end of the ten o'clock hour,
Or is this the sort of statement made by a
different sort of president who's about to take office on
January twentieth that might break the logjam in the Middle
East and produce freedom for whatever hostages remain and remain alive.
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Let us hope so we will see You have the
number six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six
one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. My name is
Dan Ray. This is Nightside. Come on back. We'll be
talking to you in a moment.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
If you die away, It's Nightside with Dan Ray on
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Wow. That's that's not good news for the Austin Brighton neighborhood,
is it now? Maybe we'll talk about that tomorrow night.
Uh geez, that was a very interesting development. I haven't
followed that closely, but wow. All right, back to the
phones we go, gonna go next to our pal Gary
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in New Jersey. Gary, you were next on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Welcome Dan, Good to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Good to talk to you, my friend always to talk
to someone from Jersey. Take it well tonight.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Well, you know I am. I'm a conservative Jew.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I follow the laws down to the dietary laws. How
I've done it for the last fifty years with my wife,
I don't know, but I did good by you. What
I'm saying though, See, I look at the opposite way. One.
We're America. We've had a weak, lily livid president and
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administration that's almost openly hostile to Israel. Now there are
only real solid allies. There can't count on the Saudies
can't count on none of them. My feeling is not
only should he write that check and doing the twenty five,
but he needs to get a message to him. And
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I know this is just me. You know it's not
going to happen, but in a world with the best
of all things, I would take their why shoot them
right along with them? To show any future terrorists not
only aren't you going to get away with it, but
your family's going to pay the price. I think if
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you did that one, yeah, that would be enough.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I do that that that would be considered a war
a war crime.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
So well, you know what, how come we always have
to play by the rules, rules of engagement? Rules are this?
Rules of that? Look, and I know what I said
is hypothetical.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I'm agreeing with you on rules of engagement because I
think the rules of engagement often put our troops in
unnecessary dudge. Absolutely, okay, we're with you totally on that.
But I think that you know, if if let's say
we went in at the night that they got Osama
bin Laden, if we then went around and finished off
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everybody else in the house, I don't think that would
have been a That's not well.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I look at it. And again, if it's just my opinion, Dan,
I look at it that if we did that, October
seventh might not have happened. And that's the thing. They
have to pay a higher price than what they did.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
And you know, but but you let me ask you this, Okay,
should have we executed Nazipow's.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
What do you mean during World Well, they were soldiers.
Do I think we should have executed SS? Absolutely? Absolutely?
Do I think anyone who had anything to do with
concentration we did?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Of course, you know after the Nuremberg trials I'm talking
about just should have we gone? Let me ask you this,
should have we gone and executed the wives of the
SS officers?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Well, I got to be honest with you, if they
enjoyed the spoils, I mean, would I really have cared
at that time? And you know I wasn't there. I
don't know. Would have really bothered me if we killed
a Nazi leader at the camp comming down at Auschwitz
and took his wife out because she enjoyed all those benefits,
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not at all?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Well, and I'm not trying to be cold. I'm not
trying to be cold.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
No, no, no, no, no, but you are very consistent,
and I disagree with you, you know, and I'm okay
you immensely, but I do think that that we have
a level of respect and honor in most parts of
the world. Maybe not everywhere.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, well one of the things though, you know, even
what you said before, it's not the Palestinians full And
I just leave you with this question. You grew up
in Boston. I know that you went to that, you know,
the Latin school, and I don't know where your kids went.
But if a group of terrorists were using your children
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for shields, would you not try to get some of
the other dads and moms together and say we got
to arm ourselves because they're using art kids. I mean,
I know if that was happening to me, I think
I would do it.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Don't do it there, I get it, I get it.
I don't think it's it's to go after family members
is a step that ever taken, because well, you know,
but again that's a hypothetical. You raise it. I'm not
trying to change your mind. I'm just telling you. I
only the only thing that I really owe you, my friend,
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is my honest opinion. I really fine, okay, And and
I will never patronize even someone like you, who I
respect immensely. I know a lot about you too, your career,
your military experience, and so you know I I respect.
I just would say that, no, that would not be
something that I think would be in our best interest. Gary,
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I got to keep rolling here.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
We're talking at holidays. Do you celebrate Monica?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
H we celebrate, but we got crucifixes and missus all over.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Well, uh what we do? Happy Merry Christmas? Everything that
you celebrate, my friend, it's.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Damn right, it's married Christmas. I hate that happy holidays stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, we're we're, we're, we're we joined at the hip
on that one. I just think that's that's weak stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Well, well, best to you and your family. You know
you're the only one I listened to.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well. I appreciate that, I really do.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
There are people around the country who I've gotten to
know like you. You know, Laurie and Idaho, never met
any of you. Hank in New Jersey, who I mentioned
at the top of the hour, I got to know
him really well. You would have loved the guy. I mean,
he was, he was New York and New Jersey to.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
The court just like I can say New York and
was busy digging my Christmas tree out.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
All right, thanks man, We'll talk to Gary. Okay, call
me for before the end of the next week.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Okay, talk to you well, Thanks buddy.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Okay. I went a little along there with Gary. I
got I got Paul, I got Christine, I got Mary.
We're coming right back on night said, we're going to
get everybody in. I got some open lines if you
want to try, but I can't guarantee it, but I
guarantee for Paul, for Christine and Mary. You're all set.
We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Back to the phones we go. Let's go to Mary
in Somerville. Mary, appreciate you calling in. You're next on Nightside.
Speaker 9 (33:41):
Oh, Hello, Hi, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
You're more than welcome. So what do you think about
the president's ultimatum?
Speaker 9 (33:48):
Oh, I'm I hadn't heard about it, so thanks. I
listened to you in the car a lot, and uh,
I think it's I tend agree with the man who said,
what's he going to do right now that Israel hasn't
already done. But I think more than that, my feeling
(34:12):
is the Tamas is not going to back down. You know,
that's my instinct. I have no basics, have.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Shown a much inclination and do that previously. I agree
with you on that.
Speaker 9 (34:28):
Yeah, and I don't. I don't get real frightened like
a lot of my friends do about what's going to happen.
But I worry that the Middle East is so angry
at and not just you know, I mean the whole
group of countries I can't name them all, at what's
being done to the Palestinians that and this is like
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now be like the doom sayre. I feel like something
like this might provoke them to say, okay, okay, let's
it's time to show the Americans what this is like,
because they've got plenty of war power, and you know
it's we're we're funding this massive killing whatever you want
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to call it, whether you call it genocide or not.
And so I worry. My main point is I worry
that a statement like this, they're going to say, let's
show Trump what we have and come to the United States,
not just with terrorists, but with with you know, weapons
of what, war planes and all that.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I don't think that I don't think that's going to happen.
Certainly there are terrorists who have committed the country and
they could be they could the sleeper sales could be activated.
But Europe, that's possible. Let us hope not, that's for sure. Mary,
I got three more. I'm going to try to sneak
in here. So thank you so much. Please continue to
call the program.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
Okay, yes, thanks, have a great night.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Let me go next to Paul in Plymouth. Paul, you
next on Nightside right hit Paul Dan.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
I just want to I just want to bring up
the fact that and in this case I agree with
incoming president Trump. But in normal conditions, it seems that
the incoming president shouldn't be getting involved in foreign policy
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before the outgoing presidents because you don't know what they've
got going on. But I think in this case in
the president administration is so ineffective that they might not
have anything going on.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
So well, you know the old phrases that foreign policy
differences stop at the shore, and that in the past.
You know, look, if Donald Trump were to negotiate with
a foreign government, that is way over the line that's
not supposed to happen, but for him to make sort
of a what he would characterize as a humanitarian plea
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to release the hostages with the implication that if they're
you know, he's basically saying he arguably he could. He
could be saying, look, I want them to be released
during President Biden's time in office. That's why I'm asking this.
He could, he could. He could spend this one pretty
favorably in my opinion.
Speaker 8 (37:21):
Yes, yes, Well, I would also add to that, you know,
he should go one step further and say, say, you know,
the people of Iran and uh, you know, rise up
against the oppressors.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Oh, I'm sure we're going to hear a lot of that,
and I think that there are there are people in
Iran who are ready to do that. Look, you they've
had the Green Revolution and uh over time. Yes, there's
a lot of people in Iran who are chafing at
the at the treatment that they have received. I think
that's a very astute observation. Paul, Thanks, I got two more.
(37:55):
I'm going to try to sneak in here before the
night is over.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
Okay, okay, good night, Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Thank you, Paul, appreciate it. Let me go to Christine
and den him. Christine, you're next on Nightsiga. Right ahead.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
How you doing, Dan, I'm doing great.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Getting a little tight on time here, Christine, like to
get you in one more in go right ahead, okay.
Speaker 9 (38:14):
I I am so terrified of all that that you
know that this could oh god, it's scary to think
what could.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Happen, you know, Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I think I'm more worried about Ukraine because I think
that the you know, the you know again, I hope
that Putin would not act crazy, but you never know,
you just never know.
Speaker 9 (38:39):
Yeah, I'm right now my nephew zubblin Germany starving with
the army, and it terrifies me, it really, it terrifies me.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Well, I think you're an intelligent person, and I think
that that there's there's need to be concerned. But at
the same time, what are we going to do about it?
There's got to be something that we got to change
the dynam in the Middle East in my in my opinion,
that's for sure.
Speaker 9 (39:03):
Yes, I just hope he that he wants he's not
gonna do something. You know, he's saying our hell could
break lost.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
I hope it's not true.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yep, Christine, you're a very loyal nightside listener and a caller.
Have you ever been bestowed a present from nightside or no?
Speaker 7 (39:23):
I have not?
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Well you ha. Now you're going to get a nightside
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I need and I want you to put that under
the Christmas tree.
Speaker 9 (39:32):
Okay, thank you so much. If you're not doing it
any Friday night, they have a not tree lighting at
the German hommeyam.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
All olcome to com Yeah, no, I appreciate that. I
actually am off, but I have a commitment on Friday night. Okay,
we'll keep you posted. Thanks Christine, stay there. Rob will
take you all the information for you. Okay. Last call
of the night is Terry in Harwich.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
Terry.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
I only got about thirty seconds. Go ahead, Terry.
Speaker 10 (39:56):
Hi Dan, how you're doing doing great?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Terry?
Speaker 9 (39:59):
How are you well.
Speaker 10 (40:01):
I'm recovering from some arm surgery that was pretty intense actually.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
But I'm sorry. I'm sorry, thank you.
Speaker 10 (40:10):
But I'm recovering, so that's good. I'm not an expert
on the Middle East, but from my perspective, words matter.
The whole world is watching. This is the president of
elect of the United States of America. Now he's drawn
(40:31):
a line in the sands. Yes, he's gonna have to
happen one way or the other. I'm going to get
a precedence for every single other terrorist and group out there.
This is a very concerning situation.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I hope he does the right thing. Terry, you know
what I want to do. You're a special friend, and
I'd like to get you a tell you Okay, now
you hold on. Rob's gonna have to get your information
as well.
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Okay.
Speaker 10 (41:06):
You are incredible and I hope you have the merriest
Christmas ever to you and your family, and thank you
so much.
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Welcome Terry, You're welcome. Thank our friends at College Hype
College Hype dot com. Hang in there, Terry and Rob
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Speaker 10 (41:23):
I am all right.
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Don't get a robe. Get all the information to the
other callers. They wish it called earlier. But we're done
for the night. We'll get back to all of you
tomorrow night. I'll end as always. All dogs, all cat
thank Robin. I'll thank Marita. All dogs, all cats, all
pets go to heaven. That's why Pell Charlie Rays, who
passed fourteen years ago on February. That's where all your
pets are past. They loved you and you love them.
I do believe you'll see them again. See again tomorrow
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Just take a minute here if I can, at the
top of this hour to pay tribute to a nightside
listener for many years a friend of mine from New Jersey,
Hank Hank Papoor, who lived a very full life, was
your quintessential New York, New Jersey guy who UH lived
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insurance executive UH and later in his career had a
very successful sports memorabilia store in Brown Mills, New Jersey.
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You can find that on eBay if you want just eBay,
I guess eBay dot com U s p R for
sports and Hank's cards. And Hank, who was a huge
fan of everything New York. We had plenty of conversations,
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both my brother and I with him about why where
we agreed and disagreed on certain things. But he also
became a great night side listener and he would be
texting me sometimes when I would let a call or
go a little too long and cut him off, got
him off, and he wanted Rob's job. He wanted to
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be my producer, I guess. But a year ago he
had a medical seizure and had come back from that
slowly but surely, and actually felt pretty good up until
about a week or so ago and things went downhill fast.
And so we lose listeners all the time in this business.
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And I think of some of my most memorable callers
and friends who were loyal listeners of this program. But
every once in a while one stands out, and Hank
Purpora certainly did. And I just want to wish him.
I want to wish his family, you know, you know,
peace with what has happened. None of us get out
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of this place alive. I guess that's one lesson we
can learn from all of this. And as David Brudnoy
used to remind reminded us before he passed, it's always
good to tell those who you are close to how
much you love them, and whether they are family or friends,
because sometimes there comes a point in time when you
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can no longer express that that sentiment to them face
to face. Uh. And we certainly loved Hank Purpor of
New Jersey, both as a listener, as an occasional caller
uh and uh and as a quintessential New Yorker. And
the jury, I mean, if they ever had cast a
movie and they and they needed a guy to play
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somebody from New York in Jersey. It was Hank. And
again our thoughts and prayers go to his family, and
particularly to his son Jim, who will carry on the
family business. But the world is is a poor place.
I mean, he had a great sense of humor, and
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he loved sending me trivia questions and challenge my my
knowledge of any sport. And he was a He was
a great friend. I wish I had known him earlier
in my life and had spent more time in contact
with him, But we had a good three or four years.
And rest in peace, friend, Rest in peace you You
(03:50):
you ran the marathon, and and you you smiled a
lot more than you cried, that's for sure. And a
lot of people are crying for you tonight and flear
in a far better place. So I don't do that
often for listeners, but he was a special guy, and
I thank you for allowing me to do that. Now.
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I want to get back to the topic we're talking about,
and I think this is an important topic. You know,
I often try to challenge my audience. Could I could
do topics here every night of the week, you know,
tell me your favorite pizza, tell me your favorite color.
We sometimes do those sort of lighter topics on a
Friday at eleven o'clock or a Friday night at ten o'clock,
(04:33):
but this is one that the president elect has issued
an ultimatum. This is what this is on truth social
basically said to Hamas, and I guess to ran As
Will from Long Island, I think astutely pointed out if
the hostages are not released prior to January twentieth, twenty
(04:54):
twenty five, the date that I proudly assume office as
President of the United States, be all hell to pay
in the Middle East, and for those in charge who
perportated these atrocities against humanity. That's directed to Hamas. In
my opinion, those responsible, and here's where iron comes in,
will be hit harder than anybody has been hit in
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the long and storied history of the United States of America.
Release the hostages, now, that is a very strong statement. Now,
if this strong statement were to work, and AMAS were
to decide to release those hostages, I think it would
be remembered as a brilliant, brilliant challenge. I'm not sure
(05:39):
that Hamas will comply. And the reason I'm not sure
they will comply is one they don't think they care.
I don't think that they worry. I think that they
see their role in this world quite differently than any
of us can even understand. In view of what they
did on October the seventh, they have no more compass whatsoever.
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Their only compasses for survival. And I suspect that the
presence of some of the hostages still being alive is
their ticket to tomorrow, because as long as there are
hostages who are alive, we value the lives of everyone
differently that Hamas values them. Hamas looks at these Israelis
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and Americans who are still in captivity as of chips
in a war that, in their mind, will never end.
So I don't think Donald Trump is going to get
the concessions that he's looking for. I hope he does.
So then the question is what happens if he does
(06:44):
take that oath of office? What action does he take?
So that's the question I'm asking. I think it was
a brilliant idea to issue this this threat, this promise,
and maybe Hamas will look at him and say, hey,
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we can't trust him. Let's ask for safe passage out
of here. Let us get to a country which will
allow us to live there, and we will reconstitute ourselves.
That would be the way that I think a pragmatist
within Hamas would be thinking. And maybe maybe there's some
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intelligence which suggests to us that that will strike a court.
I don't know. My question to you is what do
you think Donald Trump does if they don't release the hostages?
And now it's day one, day two, day three, day four,
day five of the second Trump administration. I think the
President elect has kind of backed themselves into a corner
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where unless Harmast does something very significant, they will be
able to turn around and say, hey, we would stood
the we would stood the threat, and we're still standing.
So the wisdom of the ultimatum, and it is an ultimatum,
it's an or else ultimatum, there's no doubt about that. Now, again,
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he is not the president of the United States yet,
but he will be. I think it's at this point
forty six days maybe if I'm doing my math correctly,
twenty five twenty six days left here in December, twenty
days in January. That's it. That's it. That's the end
(08:30):
of Biden Harris presidency, and it's the start of the
forty seventh president, Donald Trump. So whether you like Donald
Trump voted for Donald Trump, can't stan Donald Trump would
never vote for Donald Trump. He has played a card
here that maybe to work. I don't know. My question
(08:54):
is do you agree with what Donald Trump did here?
I don't think he broke any US law at all
by suggesting this. He's just sent a message to Hamas.
He's not negotiating with a foreign power. And what does
he do? What does he do if Hamas does not comply?
What does he do if that portion of the ultimatum
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or else is not fulfilled by Hamas? Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
I'm hoping you'll think, and I'm hoping you'll join the conversation.
We're back on Nightside right after a couple of very
brief messages, So dial right.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Now now back to Dan ray Line from the window
World night Side Studios on WBZ the news radio.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Back to the phones. We're go. I'm going to go
to Joe and Lynn. Joe, thanks for calding through the news.
You are next on Nightside. Did I miss Where's Joe?
Let's put Joe on hold? If Joe's not there, he
held through the news. Laurie is an idah, Oh, Laurie,
how are you tonight?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I'm doing well.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Nice to have you back.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, I'm happy to be back. I'm here tomorrow night,
I'm off Friday, and then I'm here for two weeks
right till the twentieth of December. So you're gonna have
a lot of me if you want me, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Lord.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
So I'm kind of the opposite of back himself during
the corner. I feel more like he's walked into the
walking into the room, talking and carrying a big stick.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Okay, So let's assume Hamas does the right thing and
gives up the hostages. Even if they do it, do
some sort of a deal whereby they're given free passage
to another Middle Eastern country. I think he comes out
(10:48):
looking pretty good. What happens if they don't and they say, hey,
mister President, it's January twenty first, next move is up
to you.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
What happens then, well, I can't believe that Trump and
mister don't don't already have kind of a plan in
that way, and maybe Pakistan wouldn't want any part of
it and send them packing.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Would you say about Pakistan?
Speaker 5 (11:14):
No, I wouldn't know, not Pakistan. Whose other I mean,
who who's landed Hamas actually on?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Well, well they're on what they call Palestine. Oh oh yeah,
but it is is an area that is run by
had been run by the Palestinian authoritys ousted them in
an election earlier this century. Uh, and I think it
was in two thousand and six if I'm not mistaken,
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and then they've never had another election. It's like they're
in perpetuity.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
There's nobody that can really kick them off of where
they're living.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Then, well, who is talking about Israel? Israel would love
to kick him off.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, I'm just saying that when when President Trump or
President elect Trump used the phraseology here that those responsible
have hit harder than anybody who has been hit anybody
who has been hit in the long story history of
the United States of America released the hostages. Now, I
have no idea who he might Oh that.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Could have been Iran.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Maybe maybe they've Yeah, I don't know, but I just
think he's I think he's making a little bit of
a noise walking in the room. And if that goes away,
before he gets in office. That will be one lest
thing he has to deal with. And it also makes,
you know, America look like it's being strong again. And
I think it's good for Perozrael to know that they're
being supported. And also all the family members that have
hostages over there, alive or dead, have a right to know.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
What's you know, I.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Guess to put it in simpler terms, he's setting a tone, Yes,
a new tone. Hey, Laurie, let me ask you. Yeah,
I believe that you did get the WBZ nightside tote
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Lauren.
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Great, great to your voice. I know we'll talk to
you before Christmas, but yeah, i'd like we don't have
a very merry Christmas and we will. We'll talk before
the twentieth of December. Thanks Laurie, as always, thank you,
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How are you tonight, Joe?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Oh well, I'm doing the best I can. Wish me luck.
I'm going to Dana Farbur a couple of weeks, but
just wish me luck. I heard the commercial. I love
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Speaker 2 (15:14):
They were kind to me that They said to me,
we don't blame you with alternative. We can discuss it.
He says, you'll like the doctor when you meet him.
They were kind to me. At least they're open minded.
Dan and I hope. I'd love to buy one of
those bags if I had to, but I can't use
the website. I'm not that good of the website. Now,
getting back to this, I think Trump should do it,
not yet Yea who I can pronounce his name yah
(15:40):
bomb pronunciation bomb Helmas out of existence, because that's the
only way they're going to get rid of them. I mean,
we may or may not lose the hostages, but first
try and take down their structure. That he may have
to do that. And because I heard net Ya who
say that one time. He says they should be gotten
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rid of, and that's the price we pay, you know
what I.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Mean, Well, we're not paying that price the hostages would
be paid.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I mean that's that's unless we can get get rid
of them without hurting the hostages. But I don't know, but.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, I think that the hostages, however, many remain. However,
many are still alive, and I think that the number
of the maximum number would be one hundred because some
have been rescued, a handful of rescued by Israeli soldiers
died during the conflict, and some have died in captivity.
(16:38):
The belief is one hundred at the outside. There were
two hundred and fifty people taking hostage at the beginning,
so they're down to forty percent of what they had. Yeah,
I don't know that Hamas is going to rise to
the occasion and do the right thing here, because I think,
like anything else in a hostage situation, they are chips
that Hamas might need to pay, need to play cards,
(17:02):
they need to play, and I unless they're going to
work a deal, I mean, what if Hamas said, look,
give us safe passage for the leadership that's left your
twenty five Hamas leaders, We get to go to the
Arab Emirates or Cutter or somewhere that would take them,
(17:22):
and we will leave the hostages for you to come
and rescue.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh well, Dan, I don't think that will work because
no one wants those people. Am I correct? Is They're
not like throughout the Middle East?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Or I think that none of these countries wanted the
refugee issues of all the Palestinians. I don't think that
no country wanted to absorb that. But you might get
a Cutter or a United Arab Emirates to say, Okay,
we will take you know, twenty people or whatever. I think.
(18:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I mean the reason I say that because our people
go over to those countries sometimes and visit. They have
to be careful. I don't know. I don't think that's
going to work any of.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Those countries at this point. Joe, you have to be
yea as an American. Look, you go anywhere in the world,
and you have to be careful as an American unless
you go to some country, and even if a country
that's friendly.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
To us, well, I don't I don't know. That's may
or may not work, But I don't know. I think
that Trump has no choice but to do whatever he
wants to do, and I hope he doesn't disappear. I
hope he does it. And I did have a decent
Thanksgiving this year. I visited my friend who invited me.
(18:45):
But I'll probably be alone in Christmas. But that's the
way it is, I guess, all right. That's the social
work was very nice to me. He understood how I felt.
I talk to you, and at least he's open minded.
Now that's what you need.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
You know, absolutely, Joe. You've got a battle on your hands,
but I think you're a tough guy and you're gonna
win it.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Okay, Well I don't know how tough I am, but
all right, thanks Joe, thank you, Bye bye.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Let me go to Sidney. Gonna get Cindy and Fitchburgh
in here. Cindy, you are next on night side. Get
you in before the news at the bottom of the hour.
How are you.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
That's wonderful, Thank you, thank you for having me. I'm
okay hearing the ultimatum and taking it at face value.
It's a It's a frightening thing to think about. And
I think about my grandkids who are eleven and thirteen,
who could read the quotes and take it even further.
(19:44):
How do we how do we deal with this ultimatum?
And how do we communicate this in a common way
to those around us? How do we how do we
help each other deal with this?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Well?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Care it's scary, but the world is a scary place.
And you put yourself in the position of the families
who have hostages there. I mean that have lived now
what fifteen months or so fourteen and a half months,
knowing that they're not knowing of the fate of their
loved ones. The bad guys here are Hamas. It's not
(20:21):
the Palestinian people, but it's Hamas who did this. Some
of these hostages have been killed. And Donald Trump issued
an ultimatum. And let me tell you, as one of
our other callers said, once you're right the check, sometimes
you have to pay the bills. So I don't know
what he has in mind, but he certainly made it
(20:41):
very clear that he intends to extract quite a price
if these hostages are not released by January twentieth.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
So there's no common thought to go with this, is there.
This is a fact, and this is.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Stakes. Yeah, I mean, I mean, if they're released, the
only thing I see is if you know, Israel has
in the past traded up to one thousand inmates members
of Hamas for one single Israeli soldier. I mean, that's
the value that Israel puts on the lives of their
(21:23):
citizens and members of their military. So maybe maybe Hamas
reaches out and this is intended to break the logjam,
and Hamas says, look, you give us free passage out
of here. You know, twenty people, twenty five people, whatever
leadership has left, and we will provide you give us
free passage. We want to go to you know, pick
(21:46):
a country, United Arab Emirates, Cutter, any of the countries
in the Middle East, and we will have the hostages
ready to be released as soon as we cross out
of out of gossip.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
I wouldn't that be something what I said, wouldn't that
be something?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
It would be and it would be something for Donald
Trump to say, hey, it was it was his initiative.
It's like a log jam now. But are they And
again I think that everybody has focused for a long
time on the Ukraine War, which is which is important.
But I think what's going on in Israel is is critical.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Well, thank you
for taking my call. I guess there's just no comforting
way to think about this, and it is what it is,
and I'm afraid of the worst case scenario. So time
will tell.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
What's the worst case scenario in your mind?
Speaker 7 (22:44):
That that when Trump takes office, they will not have
been released and he will unleash Holy hell.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I guess that's what he said.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
That's the quote all hell to pay, There will be
all hell to pay. You're right, and I believe him.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
I did not vote for him, but I believe when
he says something like that, and that scares me. All right, well,
thank you so much. I've never called before. I've listened
for many years. I was in grade school listening to
Larry Glick.
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You know, all right, well look, okay, you what sent you?
Your first time calling Cindy. And since I'm in.
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Thank you so much, thank you, thank you, thank you
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which would be great six one, seven, two, four, ten
thirty six, one, seven, nine thirty. I think this is
a great topic. You may not uh and ultimately your
your thoughts are the ones that prevail here. I'd love
to talk about this until midnight. Has Donald Trump written
a check that he cannot cash, as I think Roger
(25:47):
from Melrose suggested in the end of the ten o'clock hour,
Or is this the sort of statement made by a
different sort of president who's about to take office on
January twentieth that might break the logjam in the Middle
East and produce freedom for whatever hostages remain and remain alive.
(26:09):
Let us hope so we will see You have the
number six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six
one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. My name is
Dan Ray. This is Nightside. Come on back. We'll be
talking to you in a moment.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
If you die away, It's Nightside with Dan Ray on
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Wow. That's that's not good news for the Austin Brighton neighborhood,
is it now? Maybe we'll talk about that tomorrow night.
Uh geez, that was a very interesting development. I haven't
followed that closely, but wow. All right, back to the
phones we go, gonna go next to our pal Gary
(26:52):
in New Jersey. Gary, you were next on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Welcome Dan, Good to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Good to talk to you, my friend always to talk
to someone from Jersey. Take it well tonight.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Well, you know I am. I'm a conservative Jew.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I follow the laws down to the dietary laws. How
I've done it for the last fifty years with my wife,
I don't know, but I did good by you. What
I'm saying though, See, I look at the opposite way. One.
We're America. We've had a weak, lily livid president and
(27:29):
administration that's almost openly hostile to Israel. Now there are
only real solid allies. There can't count on the Saudies
can't count on none of them. My feeling is not
only should he write that check and doing the twenty five,
but he needs to get a message to him. And
(27:51):
I know this is just me. You know it's not
going to happen, but in a world with the best
of all things, I would take their why shoot them
right along with them? To show any future terrorists not
only aren't you going to get away with it, but
your family's going to pay the price. I think if
(28:11):
you did that one, yeah, that would be enough.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I do that that that would be considered a war
a war crime.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
So well, you know what, how come we always have
to play by the rules, rules of engagement? Rules are this?
Rules of that? Look, and I know what I said
is hypothetical.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I'm agreeing with you on rules of engagement because I
think the rules of engagement often put our troops in
unnecessary dudge. Absolutely, okay, we're with you totally on that.
But I think that you know, if if let's say
we went in at the night that they got Osama
bin Laden, if we then went around and finished off
(28:52):
everybody else in the house, I don't think that would
have been a That's not well.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I look at it. And again, if it's just my opinion, Dan,
I look at it that if we did that, October
seventh might not have happened. And that's the thing. They
have to pay a higher price than what they did.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
And you know, but but you let me ask you this, Okay,
should have we executed Nazipow's.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
What do you mean during World Well, they were soldiers.
Do I think we should have executed SS? Absolutely? Absolutely?
Do I think anyone who had anything to do with
concentration we did?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Of course, you know after the Nuremberg trials I'm talking
about just should have we gone? Let me ask you this,
should have we gone and executed the wives of the
SS officers?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Well, I got to be honest with you, if they
enjoyed the spoils, I mean, would I really have cared
at that time? And you know I wasn't there. I
don't know. Would have really bothered me if we killed
a Nazi leader at the camp comming down at Auschwitz
and took his wife out because she enjoyed all those benefits,
(30:08):
not at all?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Well, and I'm not trying to be cold. I'm not
trying to be cold.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
No, no, no, no, no, but you are very consistent,
and I disagree with you, you know, and I'm okay
you immensely, but I do think that that we have
a level of respect and honor in most parts of
the world. Maybe not everywhere.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, well one of the things though, you know, even
what you said before, it's not the Palestinians full And
I just leave you with this question. You grew up
in Boston. I know that you went to that, you know,
the Latin school, and I don't know where your kids went.
But if a group of terrorists were using your children
(30:51):
for shields, would you not try to get some of
the other dads and moms together and say we got
to arm ourselves because they're using art kids. I mean,
I know if that was happening to me, I think
I would do it.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Don't do it there, I get it, I get it.
I don't think it's it's to go after family members
is a step that ever taken, because well, you know,
but again that's a hypothetical. You raise it. I'm not
trying to change your mind. I'm just telling you. I
only the only thing that I really owe you, my friend,
(31:32):
is my honest opinion. I really fine, okay, And and
I will never patronize even someone like you, who I
respect immensely. I know a lot about you too, your career,
your military experience, and so you know I I respect.
I just would say that, no, that would not be
something that I think would be in our best interest. Gary,
(31:53):
I got to keep rolling here.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
We're talking at holidays. Do you celebrate Monica?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
H we celebrate, but we got crucifixes and missus all over.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Well, uh what we do? Happy Merry Christmas? Everything that
you celebrate, my friend, it's.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Damn right, it's married Christmas. I hate that happy holidays stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, we're we're, we're, we're we joined at the hip
on that one. I just think that's that's weak stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Well, well, best to you and your family. You know
you're the only one I listened to.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well. I appreciate that, I really do.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
There are people around the country who I've gotten to
know like you. You know, Laurie and Idaho, never met
any of you. Hank in New Jersey, who I mentioned
at the top of the hour, I got to know
him really well. You would have loved the guy. I mean,
he was, he was New York and New Jersey to.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
The court just like I can say New York and
was busy digging my Christmas tree out.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
All right, thanks man, We'll talk to Gary. Okay, call
me for before the end of the next week.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Okay, talk to you well, Thanks buddy.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Okay. I went a little along there with Gary. I
got I got Paul, I got Christine, I got Mary.
We're coming right back on night said, we're going to
get everybody in. I got some open lines if you
want to try, but I can't guarantee it, but I
guarantee for Paul, for Christine and Mary. You're all set.
We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Back to the phones we go. Let's go to Mary
in Somerville. Mary, appreciate you calling in. You're next on Nightside.
Speaker 9 (33:41):
Oh, Hello, Hi, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
You're more than welcome. So what do you think about
the president's ultimatum?
Speaker 9 (33:48):
Oh, I'm I hadn't heard about it, so thanks. I
listened to you in the car a lot, and uh,
I think it's I tend agree with the man who said,
what's he going to do right now that Israel hasn't
already done. But I think more than that, my feeling
(34:12):
is the Tamas is not going to back down. You know,
that's my instinct. I have no basics, have.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Shown a much inclination and do that previously. I agree
with you on that.
Speaker 9 (34:28):
Yeah, and I don't. I don't get real frightened like
a lot of my friends do about what's going to happen.
But I worry that the Middle East is so angry
at and not just you know, I mean the whole
group of countries I can't name them all, at what's
being done to the Palestinians that and this is like
(34:52):
now be like the doom sayre. I feel like something
like this might provoke them to say, okay, okay, let's
it's time to show the Americans what this is like,
because they've got plenty of war power, and you know
it's we're we're funding this massive killing whatever you want
(35:16):
to call it, whether you call it genocide or not.
And so I worry. My main point is I worry
that a statement like this, they're going to say, let's
show Trump what we have and come to the United States,
not just with terrorists, but with with you know, weapons
of what, war planes and all that.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I don't think that I don't think that's going to happen.
Certainly there are terrorists who have committed the country and
they could be they could the sleeper sales could be activated.
But Europe, that's possible. Let us hope not, that's for sure. Mary,
I got three more. I'm going to try to sneak
in here. So thank you so much. Please continue to
call the program.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
Okay, yes, thanks, have a great night.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Let me go next to Paul in Plymouth. Paul, you
next on Nightside right hit Paul Dan.
Speaker 8 (36:05):
I just want to I just want to bring up
the fact that and in this case I agree with
incoming president Trump. But in normal conditions, it seems that
the incoming president shouldn't be getting involved in foreign policy
(36:26):
before the outgoing presidents because you don't know what they've
got going on. But I think in this case in
the president administration is so ineffective that they might not
have anything going on.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
So well, you know the old phrases that foreign policy
differences stop at the shore, and that in the past.
You know, look, if Donald Trump were to negotiate with
a foreign government, that is way over the line that's
not supposed to happen, but for him to make sort
of a what he would characterize as a humanitarian plea
(37:01):
to release the hostages with the implication that if they're
you know, he's basically saying he arguably he could. He
could be saying, look, I want them to be released
during President Biden's time in office. That's why I'm asking this.
He could, he could. He could spend this one pretty
favorably in my opinion.
Speaker 8 (37:21):
Yes, yes, Well, I would also add to that, you know,
he should go one step further and say, say, you know,
the people of Iran and uh, you know, rise up
against the oppressors.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Oh, I'm sure we're going to hear a lot of that,
and I think that there are there are people in
Iran who are ready to do that. Look, you they've
had the Green Revolution and uh over time. Yes, there's
a lot of people in Iran who are chafing at
the at the treatment that they have received. I think
that's a very astute observation. Paul, Thanks, I got two more.
(37:55):
I'm going to try to sneak in here before the
night is over.
Speaker 8 (37:57):
Okay, okay, good night, Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Thank you, Paul, appreciate it. Let me go to Christine
and den him. Christine, you're next on Nightsiga. Right ahead.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
How you doing, Dan, I'm doing great.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Getting a little tight on time here, Christine, like to
get you in one more in go right ahead, okay.
Speaker 9 (38:14):
I I am so terrified of all that that you
know that this could oh god, it's scary to think
what could.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Happen, you know, Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I think I'm more worried about Ukraine because I think
that the you know, the you know again, I hope
that Putin would not act crazy, but you never know,
you just never know.
Speaker 9 (38:39):
Yeah, I'm right now my nephew zubblin Germany starving with
the army, and it terrifies me, it really, it terrifies me.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Well, I think you're an intelligent person, and I think
that that there's there's need to be concerned. But at
the same time, what are we going to do about it?
There's got to be something that we got to change
the dynam in the Middle East in my in my opinion,
that's for sure.
Speaker 9 (39:03):
Yes, I just hope he that he wants he's not
gonna do something. You know, he's saying our hell could
break lost.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
I hope it's not true.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yep, Christine, you're a very loyal nightside listener and a caller.
Have you ever been bestowed a present from nightside or no?
Speaker 7 (39:23):
I have not?
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Well you ha. Now you're going to get a nightside
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the Christmas tree.
Speaker 9 (39:32):
Okay, thank you so much. If you're not doing it
any Friday night, they have a not tree lighting at
the German hommeyam.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
All olcome to com Yeah, no, I appreciate that. I
actually am off, but I have a commitment on Friday night. Okay,
we'll keep you posted. Thanks Christine, stay there. Rob will
take you all the information for you. Okay. Last call
of the night is Terry in Harwich.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
Terry.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
I only got about thirty seconds. Go ahead, Terry.
Speaker 10 (39:56):
Hi Dan, how you're doing doing great?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Terry?
Speaker 9 (39:59):
How are you well.
Speaker 10 (40:01):
I'm recovering from some arm surgery that was pretty intense actually.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
But I'm sorry. I'm sorry, thank you.
Speaker 10 (40:10):
But I'm recovering, so that's good. I'm not an expert
on the Middle East, but from my perspective, words matter.
The whole world is watching. This is the president of
elect of the United States of America. Now he's drawn
(40:31):
a line in the sands. Yes, he's gonna have to
happen one way or the other. I'm going to get
a precedence for every single other terrorist and group out there.
This is a very concerning situation.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I hope he does the right thing. Terry, you know
what I want to do. You're a special friend, and
I'd like to get you a tell you Okay, now
you hold on. Rob's gonna have to get your information
as well.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Okay.
Speaker 10 (41:06):
You are incredible and I hope you have the merriest
Christmas ever to you and your family, and thank you
so much.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Welcome Terry, You're welcome. Thank our friends at College Hype
College Hype dot com. Hang in there, Terry and Rob
will take care.
Speaker 10 (41:23):
I am all right.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Don't get a robe. Get all the information to the
other callers. They wish it called earlier. But we're done
for the night. We'll get back to all of you
tomorrow night. I'll end as always. All dogs, all cat
thank Robin. I'll thank Marita. All dogs, all cats, all
pets go to heaven. That's why Pell Charlie Rays, who
passed fourteen years ago on February. That's where all your
pets are past. They loved you and you love them.
I do believe you'll see them again. See again tomorrow
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