December 5, 2024 • 39 mins
United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was fatally shot Wednesday morning outside of a Hilton hotel in New York City. Police believe it was a targeted attack and since discovered that the words “Delay,” “Deny,” and “Defend” were written on the ammunition fired at Thompson. Does this incident mark a new time period we are entering where major heads of companies such as Thompson, must watch their back and travel with security?
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It's night Sime with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Easy
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Well, if that last hour with State Auditor Diane and
Desauglio didn't fire you up, and I don't know, you
got to check your blood pressure. She is battling everybody
on Beacon Hill, and she is battling for the right reasons. Uh.
And I'm imploring my listeners to take an opportunity tomorrow
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and call the State House and just call that main
number that we shared with you. The main number up
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an operator and just say, look, I'd like to speak
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you what town do you live in? Uh, And they'll
put you in touch and just make the point. And again,
the number is the key. The voters by seventy two percent,
I mean Donald Trump won his election, which has been
characterized by some as a landslide, with forty nine points
something percent of the vote. And the reason by that
is that it was a close elections. Not a close
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election in terms of the electoral college, but a close
election in terms of the popular vote. And Donald Trump
may end up with fifty percent of the popular vote.
This was seventy two percent of the vote in Massachusetts.
I mean, no one gets seventy two percent. People can't
seventy two percent of the people would not agree that
today was Thursday. So we're on the right side of
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this issue. The Democrats talk about democracy dies in darkness.
Here is a statela State auditor who happens to be
a Democrat who actually believes that democracy dies in darkness.
Democracy has been dead at the Massachusetts State House for
many years, okay many years, and it is dead because
it is a closed operation which is controlled by the
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state Senate President and the Speaker of the House. The
Senate President had some pretty good political instincts, Karen Spilker.
I worked with her on some reform legislation back oh
ten or twelve years ago, and I think what happens
is when they get in these little positions of power,
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they say that power is the ultimate afrojesiac. I don't
know Mariano. I don't know that I've ever talked to Marianno,
but I think that he is your very typical politician
who has spent his time in the ranks and now
is the Speaker of the House, and he's going to
run the Speaker of the House with an iron fist
and basically keep everybody in control. And for them to
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They fear losing their office. They're senecure. They want to
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employ some people. Look at you have a city councilor
here in Boston, Fernandez Anderson Fernandez, who is apparently the
subject of investigation, who is filed and been fined by
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permitted in the city council, hiring her sister and her
son at two jobs of seventy thousand dollars apiece on
her payroll. I mean, you don't think that goes on
at the legislature too. I suspect it does anyway, the
sort of thing they're trying to they're trying to hide. Now,
let me just take a moment here before we start
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to talk about what happened in New York yesterday, because
I think there's some implications here that I'd like to
hear from you on. I'd like to hear from you
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I want to talk about this horrific murder in New
York when we get back. If you have a thought
on this, My question is how could this happen? Well,
we saw how it happened, But to me, it's inconceivable
that an American business leader is assassinated on the streets
of New York. What does this portend for our country?
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Does this now mean that every business leader of a
major company, a major business, a major corporation in America
now has to have the equivalent of Secret Service protection
protection that we provide to our political leaders. This is
I think a very frightening concept. You have had this
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sort of activity in countries in South and Central America
where men and women who are trying to and I
don't know what the circumstances are of this other than
what I saw on television. How could this possibly be?
How could someone I talked with a former law enforcement
official today who is a pretty good sense of these stories.
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And this former law enforcement person said to me, don't
be surprised if the guy who killed the head of
this healthcare company has already been eliminated. Think about that.
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Let's assume that someone convinced someone for either short money
or medium money. Ten thousand dollars sounds like a lot
of money, and you know you can do it, you
get away with it, and then they went to pay them,
pay them them off, and they eliminate the guy. This
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is going to be fascinating to find out what what
the motive was. So I'm just gonna open up the
phone lines. Let's talk about this. This is the murder.
This is the murder of a major, major business leader
in this country. And we cannot go down this path.
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We've gone down this path with political assassinations. If you
remember President Kennedy, Senator Kennedy, Martin Luther, King, Malcolm X,
George Wallace, the Pope, Ronald Reagan, President Trump. We now
accept the potential assassinations. We don't accept it, but but
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it's like, Okay, it's horrible, but for us now to
go down and think that men and women who are
corporate leaders could somehow be targeted six months, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. What does it portend? I don't think it's
good six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Will be right
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back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ, the News Radio.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
This issue. To watch what happened yesterday is to me extraordinary,
extraordinary that to think that Brian Thompson is just assassinated
on the streets of Manhattan in New York. I have
no idea what the motive is, but we have to
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find out. UH. And this is this is a moment
in time that that mark, my words, is going to
be UH is going to set a very bad press.
The New York Times the Night is reporting investigators released
pictures today showing the face of this guy they believe
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killed Thompson. They said the words delay and den I
were written in bullet casings collected at the murdercine. He
apparently is said to have used a fake New Jersey
id a fake New Jersey idea to book a room
at a hostel in Manhattan's Upper West Side, where he
stayed before the killing. Police have not made any arrests
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as of Thursday. This article was three hours ago. So
I wonder if if this kid is still alive. Wouldn't
that be interesting? Wouldn't that be interesting? He checked in
to the hostile on the Upper West Side. The man
arrived in New York on an interstate bus from somewhere
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south of the city of November twenty fourth. That was
last week. He checked into the hostel on the Upper
west Side. After that, checked out on November twenty ninth,
and checked back in the next day. They're getting information
on this guy. He used to fake New Jersey ID.
Let's go to the phones. I want to hear from
as many of you as possible in this one six one, seven, two, five,
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four ten thirty six one seven nine free, one ten thirty.
George is in Reville and I hit the wrong button. There, George,
you are now with me? Go ahead, George.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Oh that's okay, man. I had to say.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
I grew up in REvil, but I'm not in Reviel.
My wife works for United Healthcare, so she didn't want
me to call.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
But she's sleeping. Well, let me pay it and you know.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Get home for you. How big. United Healthcare is a
huge company.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
You know, twelve four hundred thousand employees. I don't know
fifty sixty million clients. You know, my wife, she's they're
the backbone of the company. They have between seventy five
and one hundred patients, and they have to see every
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one of them within ninety days, and then they start
to cycle over again, see what they need, see if
they're taking their medicines, if they have new medicine, and
then come back home and document it all.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
But I didn't really call.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Unless you have any questions about what my wife does.
What I couldn't believe she told me the researcher. So
yesterday I'm reading about the murder and I look at
the remarks.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
And I read the first ten, fifteen twenty remarks, and
good riddance.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Okay, this company, like you just mentioned, they denied, denied, deny,
and people are dying because of it. I mean, no
one in this country like insurance companies. I've been raped
over once or twice by an insurance company, not medical.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I go to the DA. We don't go around killing people,
because that's the point. That's because of this, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And what is this potential?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I just couldn't believe what I was reading that probably
all six hundred and fifty nine remarks after after I
met you know how he got killed? When negative but
happy this guy was dead. That's that's what's bothering me,
just like it's bothering you.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Is this is this what this country is coming to?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah? So that that means that if look, every once
in a while you'll hear about some story about some
guy in a divorce case will shoot their lawyer. Well,
I mean it can happen in this country. Yeah, But
but I mean is now if you have a bad
experience with a store, I mean you go to a
store and you you then you seek out This is insane,
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is what it is.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
How many about it?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
We are hurting down a path from which wh America?
You know this is? It is to watch what happened.
First of all, this coward shoots the guy in the back,
doesn't even have the courage to confront him, and of
course he's got a gun, so you know who's going
to win the argument? Here shoots him and then it
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looks like went over and he finished him off. And
this kid, I've seen the picture of I'm looking at
the picture of this kid right now. He looks like
an absolutely normal kid. I mean, he's smiling here, he's smiling,
and this is just you know, a few hours. I
guess before he's gonna he's going to become a murderer.
My question is, is this kid's still alive?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I can't believe it.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Dan, let me tell you something that that bothers mate terrible.
I saw the ten thousand dollar reward put up by
the police department.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
United Healthcare hasn't already put up a ten million dollar reward.
This guy will be caught within within a couple of days,
because you'd, George, you.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Read my mind. When I saw ten thousand dollars, I thought, look,
if someone loses their dog out of their own they'll
go to their own bank account and say ten thousand
dollars reward to find Fido. I mean ten thousand dollars.
Talk about so that's insulting. That's what his life is worth.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
So well, the only thing that I'm thinking that I
got out of all this, we got a lot of
angry people, obnoxious people leaving these kind of remarks good riddings,
but it's either an inside job or a job by
some kid. It looks like a kid whose mother died
because she was denied.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
That's that's my I think it's going to be.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
More complicated than that, and I think that Look, I
have no idea that I can be way off base,
but my suspicion is that there's something that's a lot
deeper than even what we know about, and that somebody
maybe hired this kid. Maybe I don't know where they
found him, but I would I would wonder.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
If Well, that's what I meant.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
That's quite because if someone hired him to off this guy,
and and whoever hired him wanted, they would want him
dead as soon as possible, because dead dead men tell
no tales. That's my thought.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, I think that's why I said. It could easily
be an inside job or some under tic but anyway,
as a job, I mean, there's problems in this company.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
But thank you very much, George.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Merry Christmas. If we don't chat, okay, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, yeah, Merry Christmas. See you Dan. Nice talking to you, buddy.
Thank you all right.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Six one seven thirty six one seven nine three one
ten thirty. I'm troubled by this, but it also let
to know what you think. If there is some powerful
financial interest that decided that this was the way that
this guy's got to go, and this kid was hired
by them to do the deed. I don't know that
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his love expectancy is is is much is much longer
for this world either, But we'll see, We'll see. I
hope they catch him. I hope they catch him, and
I hope that he spills his guts. And if it's
if it's if he's a lone wolf, so be it.
He spends the rest of his life in prison, simple
as that. Huh. Six thirty six, seven, nine thirty. What
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is going on in the United States of America. This
is not a good development. Believe me, it is not
a good development. We'll be back on nightside.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on wz Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
What could compel? First of all, I got a bunch
of questions, and I'm just gonna throw him out there
and left to hear what you think. How did this
kid know exactly where Brian Thompson would be at that
hour of the morning. He was obviously waiting there. Again,
I followed this, You probably have followed it more closely,
But I know that there was some individual who said, yeah,
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he's been hanging around this area for a little while.
He knew exactly. I think he knew where Thompson stayed
the night before. Thompson did not stay at the hotel
at that hotel. He stayed at a different hotel. How
did he know all of this? Was this an inside job?
Or why would a young man, even if he had
a relative who died, why would he want to shoot
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an insurance executive. I mean, none of this makes sense.
None of this makes sense. Lola. Lola is one of
my best callers. She will always have a point of view. Lola,
I'm dying and know what you what you think?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Okay? So I read the New York Post and it
says that he did some insider trading. There was two
other guys with him with a combined with a combined
they sold a combined one hundred and one zero point
five million in shares. So he was going to be
investigated by the DOJ. They knew this. His wife said, oh, yeah,
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he's been receiving death threats. So you know, when you
do bad things, bad things happen.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Hold on, hold on, first of all, yeah, we don't
know that you've cited your source, which is fine. Let's
assume let's assume that, yeah, he had some options or
trade or some shares, and let's assume he's never been
convicted of.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Anything, right, no, no, but he was being investigated. So
my theory is somebody didn't want him talking, and so
somebody hired somebody to go do a job.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Okay, so now let's assume let's just play your idea
out for a second. Okay, Yeah, so let's assume that
there was someone, I mean, he would I guess he
was training in it if I if I'm referring to
the same piece you're referring to, he was training in
uh in shares of the company that he was the
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CEO of Fear Enough, so he had theoretically, theoretically maybe
some insight that he acted upon which he should have done.
So let's assume that's that's true. Okay, So who would
who would be willing? Let's assume that he he tipped
off a couple of other people hypothetically.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Whipped him off. See who tipped him off?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
He's the CEO of the company. He didn't need anybody
to tip him off.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Well, there was three, there were at least three of
them being involved in.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Okay, so let's assume that one of the other two, hypothetically,
one of the other two concerned that this guy was
going to I think what you're saying to me is
that one of the other two or the other two
might be concerned that this guy is going to tell
the FEDS information that would implicate these other two guys.
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I think that's what.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
You say exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
That's let me work it through with you. So now
by setting up his demise, his murder, he won't be
talking to anybody. Okay, But don't you think that those
two people immediately become suspects.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Well, here's the thing, Dan, when people are scared, they
don't think, they don't think, they panic. So you know,
I don't watch a lot of these mystery murder drama
things because it's too intense. But it's just the minute
I saw that he was being investigated by the DJ,
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I'm like, yep, there you go. So well, look at
our society. Nobody asks questions. Everybody shooting first and asking questions.
And this does not surprise me at all. And if
this guy, I don't know if he was staying at
the hotel or if there was an event at the hotel,
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I can explain.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I'll give you the answer to that. Apparently there was
a scheduled investors conference for the United Healthcare Company Public.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Nobody knew.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Public. Let me finish that that he would speak there.
But he didn't stay at the Hilton Hotel. He stayed
at a different hotel Okay, apparently either up the street,
around the corner or something like that. How did this guy,
the shooter know exactly what entrance? This guy apparently he
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didn't use a main entrance of the hotel. He just
walked from his hotel, which was a block or two away,
uh and used what was could have a signed a
lot of these hotels. It's a huge hotel, the Hilton,
and it has several entrances. How did this shooter know
what entrance this guy was likely to be called out?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
You know, I don't pluck. We've got cameras everywhere. Who knows,
like you really have to watch that mission impossible and
see all the angles and how things get done. Anything's
possible today. So the more you ask these questions, the
more I say, somebody knew exactly where he was and
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what he was doing. Well, maybe right right.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Lola, and I appreciate you. You you you at least
one a conversation for us, you and George, and let's
see what others have to say. Fair enough, Okay, an
inside job, I tell you, well, well we're going to
get an answer to this, miss Street. But it's like
watching a television show and figuring out, you know, where
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is this guy, where's the shooter? Is the shooter still alive?
That the shooter looks like he said the picture I'm
looking at here, he looks like he's probably twenty five
years old. He looks like a twenty five year old kid. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
But remember up in La when we had all these
these robberies, they were like five ten people watching one
house and five and ten cars, and they were all
on cell phones and oh, they just left and they're
going down this street and then the other cop follows them,
so they never know who's actually following them. Everyone's on
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these cell phones. So it could have been something similar.
But Mike got when you're not going to be investigated
by the DOJ.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Okay, So yeah, So the bottom line this, Lola, is
that you think it all comes back to the DOJ
investigation in some form of fashion. If that works out,
I want you to call back and take a little
victory lap.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Fair enough, yep, and listen, I read the New York Post.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
No, I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do, Lola.
I'm way past my break. We've gone seven minutes, so
I got to let you go. But it's always appreciated
hearing your voice.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
All Right, Hey, is your daughter? Okay?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Because the San Francisco earthquake is everybody okay up there?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah? Yeah, that that that was an earthquake. That that
was I guess it was out in the ocean. They
were concerned about a tsunami. But yeah, thanks, long, we
gotta go. I'll talk to Merry Christmas and I don't.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Talk before that, Okay, thanks, thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, we'll take quick break. Coming right back here. On
night's side, I got one line at six one seven
four ten thirty. I got one line at six one
seven ninety. We're trying to solve a murder mystery tonight.
Love to hear your theory on this. If you've seen
the pictures that the police department released today, this is
a young guy. He looks to me like he's maybe
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maybe twenty five. Maybe he's had some military training. I
don't know. He certainly seemed to know how to handle
that gun, but I guess it also doesn't take much
if you can handle a gun steady to shoot someone
in the back from twenty feet disgusting. Back on Nightside
after this.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Okay, we're talking about the murder of Brian Thompson, the
head of this major, major company, United Health Group, which
apparently is the largest insurance company in America. Well, I
just want to hear from as many of you as
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possible and someone will figure it out. We have smart people.
Paula in Worcester. Paul is pretty smart. Hi, Paula, how
are you?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Yeah, I'm pretty smart. But I'll tell you something, Dan,
I there's so many troubling things about this story, but
one of the one of the most troubling to me
is how brazen people have become the You know, there
are there are ways if you have issues or with companies,
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any kind of company, you know, to complain, to appeal
to whatever. But now people decide that they can whether
it's hired. You know, I don't know if this person
was hired or part of an inside you know what
this person was. It's kind of a young person, and
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you know, I would think that I would think that
the person has to be either a sociopath or there's
something very wrong with someone that takes a job to
kill somebody, just to me that you know.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
There are people, there are people all over this country
who lose a job every day, and the vast majority
of them don't engage in violence. They don't go back
and shoot their former boss or the person who fire them.
We've all worked for people that we didn't get along with.
I mean, it's just it's normal human nature. Sometimes you
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have a neighbor, someone in your neighborhood who you don't like,
and after a while you kind of steer yourself away.
But this is a young guy, so yeah, how does
he know that he doesn't obviously, how does he know
that the moment that he fires those shots. There isn't
a police officer who walks out of the hotel or
a police car that happens to drive down the street.
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In New York, everywhere you turn there seems to be
a police officer.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Well, the scary thing is, Dan, I was my family
and I were in New York at the same time,
on the Upper West Side. You know, I think about this.
We were righted not at the Hilton, but we weren't
far away from the Hilton.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
That's that's where the hostel was where this guy was
staying and apparently was usually know a fake ID of
someone from New Jersey. Let them know who the person
from New Jersey is? Did they give him the fake ID?
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Wait? I think this guy really had this very well
orchestrated and planned out. He was there ten days before
it happened. And you know, you know as well as
I do. You can call investor relations of a company
and find out where the financial conferences and when the
guy is speaking. It's easy enough to find out that information.
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How the person knew which doorway it was, that sort
of thing, unless he trailed the person and saw that this.
You know that that CEO went to this meeting at
a certain time. You know, I don't, I don't, I
really don't know. There's a lot of unanswered questions. In
those three words that they found on the casings are
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the title of a book about problems, And I can't
I apologize, I can't remember the name of the book.
But it's about problems and denials of claim.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, that's yeah, the three words, and I forget them too,
but I think it was something like to pose. Yeah,
and I should have that in front of me here.
I have too many papers in front of me at
this point. But yeah, again there's no h it's odd
that that would be on the casing of the bullets zone.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
It's really odd, and you know, and it seems to me,
as you say, everyone, you know, I was head of
HR in a biotechnology company and when I had to
let somebody go, and believe me, the reasons were always,
you know, we gave people chance, up your chance, up
your chance. And I used to call the local police
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department of the town with his company is and have
a plane closed, person in a room near me because really,
you don't know what could happen. And one time this
person had to come, you know, somebody that I was
talking to got up and you know, started screaming at me.
And I didn't know what he was going to do.
I didn't I didn't fear that he had a weapon,
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but he could have. You know, you just don't know.
And that's maybe you know, ten or fifteen years ago
when and when I when I talked to the police
officer after I and I'm really sorry, you know, to
bother you to have to do this? That are you kidding?
Companies do this all the time, paul Us, big companies,
small companies. It's a scary world. So I guess it
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really that bothers me that it's good.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
But by the way, Paul, the words that that that
they were on the bullet casings, delay, deny and defend
they were written on the ammunition fired at Thompson. Paul,
I got to get one more in here before the break.
So great to your voice. We will talk so and
have great holidays if I don't.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Talk to you, okay, all right, take care. Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Let me get Mike and Beverly in under the wire
and we're going to keep going on this in the
eleven o'clock hour at least I want to. I hope
you do as well. Mike. Your thoughts on where do
you think this mystery ends?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (36:49):
I don't good evening Daan Howai So you just shared
about the magazine and that book have to deal with
final ASDA and making I'm believe of them amount of
money and basically you know, not thinking here of the
pages or something like that, heard about it earlier today,
and that guy made like a ridiculous amount of money.
(37:10):
I don't know why he didn't have like a security
thing with him, but he was like, you know, a million,
a undred million dollar figure, some ridiculous amount of money.
Some stupid like that, you know. But now, yeah, that's
my I was gonna share with you about the word
on the casing. How I came back to my magazine
a book or something like that, and that's how they
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got it from.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Okay, well, I appreciate. I appreciate that, and I had
read that. I just didn't have the words in front
of me. But it just to me, it seems it
seems insane that something like this happens on the streets
of America. I mean, this is yeah. I remember, you know,
I've as a reporter, I covered plenty of murder stories,
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and some of the ones that you know, I'm I
forget now whether they were solved or not, but I
remember there was some guy who was killed in a
garage or whatever, or you know, or somebody ends up
they find a body in the garage the next morning
of a parking garage and there could have been an ornament.
The night before between two guys over a parking space
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and some guy pulls out a gun. But this looks
like this was really planned.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
So this guy, yeah, but the guy, the guy gotta sloppy.
At the end of they get us, they got better.
This difference on his face from a different I can't believe.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I could be wrong, but I think the picture that
I saw of his full face, which is a pretty identity.
If you know this guy, if anybody knows him, they're
gonna they're gonna be able to You know, if if
I saw a picture of you or you saw a
picture of me and we knew each other, I'd say, hey,
you know that is that's my friend Mike.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
Yeah, but he left. He bought a Stombucks water and
the snow an back and drag. Someone put it in
the trash. So they're gonna get down.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Is out of that I know that well, you know
it would hope. But sometimes DNA is tough to paul.
I mean, when you know, yeah, let's see how it
works out. Hey, Mike, I hate to do this, do you?
Thank you? Talk soon? All right, PALP talk to you
bye bye. We'll take a very quick break here. We're
going to continue talking about this in the next hour.
(39:18):
The murder of the mystery in New York, and it
has everything to do with who was the murderer and
what was the motive of the person who pulled the
trigger or the person who hired that guy to pull
the trigger. This is going to be an interesting story
and we're going to talk about it in the next hour,
so feel free. The only lines open, I have one
at six one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty,
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and I have two at six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty back on Night's side right after this
It's night Sime with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Easy
Boston's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, if that last hour with State Auditor Diane and
Desauglio didn't fire you up, and I don't know, you
got to check your blood pressure. She is battling everybody
on Beacon Hill, and she is battling for the right reasons. Uh.
And I'm imploring my listeners to take an opportunity tomorrow
(00:27):
and call the State House and just call that main
number that we shared with you. The main number up
out on Beacon Hill at the State House is six
one seven seven two two thousand and just you get
an operator and just say, look, I'd like to speak
to my state representative, my state centator, and I'll ask
(00:47):
you what town do you live in? Uh, And they'll
put you in touch and just make the point. And again,
the number is the key. The voters by seventy two percent,
I mean Donald Trump won his election, which has been
characterized by some as a landslide, with forty nine points
something percent of the vote. And the reason by that
is that it was a close elections. Not a close
(01:10):
election in terms of the electoral college, but a close
election in terms of the popular vote. And Donald Trump
may end up with fifty percent of the popular vote.
This was seventy two percent of the vote in Massachusetts.
I mean, no one gets seventy two percent. People can't
seventy two percent of the people would not agree that
today was Thursday. So we're on the right side of
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this issue. The Democrats talk about democracy dies in darkness.
Here is a statela State auditor who happens to be
a Democrat who actually believes that democracy dies in darkness.
Democracy has been dead at the Massachusetts State House for
many years, okay many years, and it is dead because
it is a closed operation which is controlled by the
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state Senate President and the Speaker of the House. The
Senate President had some pretty good political instincts, Karen Spilker.
I worked with her on some reform legislation back oh
ten or twelve years ago, and I think what happens
is when they get in these little positions of power,
(02:17):
they say that power is the ultimate afrojesiac. I don't
know Mariano. I don't know that I've ever talked to Marianno,
but I think that he is your very typical politician
who has spent his time in the ranks and now
is the Speaker of the House, and he's going to
run the Speaker of the House with an iron fist
and basically keep everybody in control. And for them to
(02:41):
try to block an audit not not right whatsoever. Now,
let me just real quickly again, remind you please call
the State House tomorrow six one, seven, seven two thousand.
That is the number. They'll simply ask You'll they'll say, well,
you want us speak here a state representative. Where do
you live, what town do you live? And they they
give you a couple of choices, both your state rep
(03:03):
and your state Senator, and just let them know and say, look,
if you decide that you are not going to support
this audit, and no matter what they tell you, if that,
you'll never vote for them again. That's all they fear.
They fear losing their office. They're senecure. They want to
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keep that off so they can include and they can
employ some people. Look at you have a city councilor
here in Boston, Fernandez Anderson Fernandez, who is apparently the
subject of investigation, who is filed and been fined by
the Ethics Commission for hiring relatives and nepotism is not
(03:46):
permitted in the city council, hiring her sister and her
son at two jobs of seventy thousand dollars apiece on
her payroll. I mean, you don't think that goes on
at the legislature too. I suspect it does anyway, the
sort of thing they're trying to they're trying to hide. Now,
let me just take a moment here before we start
(04:09):
to talk about what happened in New York yesterday, because
I think there's some implications here that I'd like to
hear from you on. I'd like to hear from you
Monday night. I'm off tomorrow night. Gary Tange will sit
in for me tomorrow night. I'm off tomorrow night. I
have a commitment that I have to attend. I don't
have to attend to the commitment I want to attend.
(04:30):
So that is a vacation day for me tomorrow. I
will be here all of next week. I will be
here all of the following week. We have some good
programs coming up. I hope to get the WBC car
guys back one time before the year is up. I
know that Larry and Scott are always cooperative. There's a
few other surprises that I'd like to have, But we
have a critically important program coming up on Monday Night. Now,
(04:53):
if you have a child, or if you are a
high school student and you are beginning to contemplate or
in the process of applying to college, Monday night is
very important radio listening for you. Beginning at eight o'clock,
we will have the Deans of Admission of Harvard and
Boston College, our eighteenth annual college Admissions Panel. To get
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the deans of admission at this time of year from
Harvard and Boston College. Bill fitz Simmons has done this
with us for eighteen years. Every one of these shows
we've done since beginning in the fall of two thousand
and seven. They will help you answer your questions about
applying to college. There have been people who have called
the program and we have been able to open doors.
(05:40):
Now I'm not suggesting you can get it admitted to
Harvard at BC. Please don't misunderstand me, but the advice
that they give to people is just important financial advice.
How many schools to apply to, what you should write about,
how you should should present yourself to whatever colleges you're
applying to. Obviously, if you have children, if you have grandchildren,
(06:02):
if you have people within your orbit, within your neighborhood, relatives,
co workers, let them know Monday night, eight o'clock they
can call on behalf of their kids and ask questions
about financing colleges of college education. They can talk about
the benefits of community colleges versus going to a traditional
(06:23):
four year college. There's so many topics that will be covered,
and you will be able to listen to it as
a podcast, but it's very important to listen to it
live and maybe give your son or daughter, or your
niece or your nephew, or your grand son or granddaughter
the encouragement to call and basically ask them questions themselves.
(06:43):
Of the deans of Harvard in Boston College, I can't
tell you how grateful I am to these two men,
Grand Goslin and Bill fitz Simmons to spend time with
us on my audience. What my kids are through college.
My grandson's two and a half. He's not going to
(07:04):
be going to college for a long time if he
chooses to go. But you may have children in the
eighth grade, ninth grade, tenth grade, eleventh grade. In the
actual process of applying I could not tell you how
important this show is. I hope I've made myself clear.
The other thing that I'd like to mention to those
of you who are involved in charitable activity, We're going
(07:28):
to do our twelfth annual Night Side Charity Combine on
December twentieth. It is so easy. All you have to
do is call me or my producer, Marita aka Lightning,
Marita's number and Rob You're going to write this down.
If anyone wants to call in and they don't write
it down quickly enough, call Marita tomorrow. She will be
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one seven six seven eight one three five zero one
seven two six. If you're involved in a charity, if
you're the leader, leader in leadership position of a charity,
call we just want to hear from you. We will
put you on the radio live from the comfort of
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the telephone. Don't have to drive to a studio, and
we will give you an opportunity to tell the world.
To tell my audience, what is your charitable endeavor? What
cause is the cause of your life? What do you need?
Do you need more volunteers. Do you need people to
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provide transportation to people at to hospitals? Whatever new charity is, again,
we like it if it's a five oh one C three,
but it doesn't have to be a five oh one
C three. Some of the best charities in New England.
We've done this now for eleven years. This is our
twelfth year. We have probably introduced to people over two
(08:53):
hundred charities. If you've been on before, we always look
for new new groups to interview. But if you've been
on before and you'd like to be on again, that
doesn't disqualify you. We will open it up. We still
have a few slots left, but I'm telling you they're
they're closing very fast. You can call Marita and again,
(09:18):
I'll give you Marita's number again. She's the producer. She's
pulling this together seven eight one three five zero one
seven two six. Or you can call me directly and Rob.
You can give anyone Marita's number or give them my
direct line, or send me an email. Just send me
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You will know in advance approximately what time we will
be interviewing you. We will tell you what half hour
you'll be you need to be standing by your phone,
will call you and it'll be an opportunity. And we
have had charities who have received some substantial donations. One
particular charity, i'll tell you it was the Shadow Front
(10:02):
one year received a twenty five thousand dollars anonymous donation
from a Boston law firm for that charity, I'm sure
you know. And there are traditional lead off charity because
that is the official charity of Nightside. So having said that,
I think I've covered everything I need to cover. I
hope you take advantage of either the Nightside College Panel,
(10:25):
our annual Nightside College Panel with Bill fitz Simmons and
Grant Gostlin, Bill of Harvard Dean of Admission and Grant Gostlin,
the BC Dean of Admission here for you on Monday night.
It is almost my holiday present to anyone. I couldn't
think of a more valuable gift to give a young
person who's contemplating applying to college. And then the charity
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combine we like to end my broadcast year. It will
be on Friday night, December twentieth, the last hour or
two of my broadcast year. We will spend basically telling
the world my audience about your charity. I can't think
of a better gift I can give you. So that's it. Now.
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I want to talk about this horrific murder in New
York when we get back. If you have a thought
on this, My question is how could this happen? Well,
we saw how it happened, But to me, it's inconceivable
that an American business leader is assassinated on the streets
of New York. What does this portend for our country?
(11:33):
Does this now mean that every business leader of a
major company, a major business, a major corporation in America
now has to have the equivalent of Secret Service protection
protection that we provide to our political leaders. This is
I think a very frightening concept. You have had this
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sort of activity in countries in South and Central America
where men and women who are trying to and I
don't know what the circumstances are of this other than
what I saw on television. How could this possibly be?
How could someone I talked with a former law enforcement
official today who is a pretty good sense of these stories.
(12:21):
And this former law enforcement person said to me, don't
be surprised if the guy who killed the head of
this healthcare company has already been eliminated. Think about that.
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Let's assume that someone convinced someone for either short money
or medium money. Ten thousand dollars sounds like a lot
of money, and you know you can do it, you
get away with it, and then they went to pay them,
pay them them off, and they eliminate the guy. This
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is going to be fascinating to find out what what
the motive was. So I'm just gonna open up the
phone lines. Let's talk about this. This is the murder.
This is the murder of a major, major business leader
in this country. And we cannot go down this path.
(13:26):
We've gone down this path with political assassinations. If you
remember President Kennedy, Senator Kennedy, Martin Luther, King, Malcolm X,
George Wallace, the Pope, Ronald Reagan, President Trump. We now
accept the potential assassinations. We don't accept it, but but
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it's like, Okay, it's horrible, but for us now to
go down and think that men and women who are
corporate leaders could somehow be targeted six months, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. What does it portend? I don't think it's
good six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Will be right
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back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ, the News Radio.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
This issue. To watch what happened yesterday is to me extraordinary,
extraordinary that to think that Brian Thompson is just assassinated
on the streets of Manhattan in New York. I have
no idea what the motive is, but we have to
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find out. UH. And this is this is a moment
in time that that mark, my words, is going to
be UH is going to set a very bad press.
The New York Times the Night is reporting investigators released
pictures today showing the face of this guy they believe
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killed Thompson. They said the words delay and den I
were written in bullet casings collected at the murdercine. He
apparently is said to have used a fake New Jersey
id a fake New Jersey idea to book a room
at a hostel in Manhattan's Upper West Side, where he
stayed before the killing. Police have not made any arrests
(15:28):
as of Thursday. This article was three hours ago. So
I wonder if if this kid is still alive. Wouldn't
that be interesting? Wouldn't that be interesting? He checked in
to the hostile on the Upper West Side. The man
arrived in New York on an interstate bus from somewhere
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south of the city of November twenty fourth. That was
last week. He checked into the hostel on the Upper
west Side. After that, checked out on November twenty ninth,
and checked back in the next day. They're getting information
on this guy. He used to fake New Jersey ID.
Let's go to the phones. I want to hear from
as many of you as possible in this one six one, seven, two, five,
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four ten thirty six one seven nine free, one ten thirty.
George is in Reville and I hit the wrong button. There, George,
you are now with me? Go ahead, George.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Oh that's okay, man. I had to say.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
I grew up in REvil, but I'm not in Reviel.
My wife works for United Healthcare, so she didn't want
me to call.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
But she's sleeping. Well, let me pay it and you know.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Get home for you. How big. United Healthcare is a
huge company.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
You know, twelve four hundred thousand employees. I don't know
fifty sixty million clients. You know, my wife, she's they're
the backbone of the company. They have between seventy five
and one hundred patients, and they have to see every
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one of them within ninety days, and then they start
to cycle over again, see what they need, see if
they're taking their medicines, if they have new medicine, and
then come back home and document it all.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
But I didn't really call.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Unless you have any questions about what my wife does.
What I couldn't believe she told me the researcher. So
yesterday I'm reading about the murder and I look at
the remarks.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
And I read the first ten, fifteen twenty remarks, and
good riddance.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Okay, this company, like you just mentioned, they denied, denied, deny,
and people are dying because of it. I mean, no
one in this country like insurance companies. I've been raped
over once or twice by an insurance company, not medical.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I go to the DA. We don't go around killing people,
because that's the point. That's because of this, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And what is this potential?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I just couldn't believe what I was reading that probably
all six hundred and fifty nine remarks after after I
met you know how he got killed? When negative but
happy this guy was dead. That's that's what's bothering me,
just like it's bothering you.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Is this is this what this country is coming to?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah? So that that means that if look, every once
in a while you'll hear about some story about some
guy in a divorce case will shoot their lawyer. Well,
I mean it can happen in this country. Yeah, But
but I mean is now if you have a bad
experience with a store, I mean you go to a
store and you you then you seek out This is insane,
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is what it is.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
How many about it?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
We are hurting down a path from which wh America?
You know this is? It is to watch what happened.
First of all, this coward shoots the guy in the back,
doesn't even have the courage to confront him, and of
course he's got a gun, so you know who's going
to win the argument? Here shoots him and then it
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looks like went over and he finished him off. And
this kid, I've seen the picture of I'm looking at
the picture of this kid right now. He looks like
an absolutely normal kid. I mean, he's smiling here, he's smiling,
and this is just you know, a few hours. I
guess before he's gonna he's going to become a murderer.
My question is, is this kid's still alive?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I can't believe it.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Dan, let me tell you something that that bothers mate terrible.
I saw the ten thousand dollar reward put up by
the police department.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
United Healthcare hasn't already put up a ten million dollar reward.
This guy will be caught within within a couple of days,
because you'd, George, you.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Read my mind. When I saw ten thousand dollars, I thought, look,
if someone loses their dog out of their own they'll
go to their own bank account and say ten thousand
dollars reward to find Fido. I mean ten thousand dollars.
Talk about so that's insulting. That's what his life is worth.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
So well, the only thing that I'm thinking that I
got out of all this, we got a lot of
angry people, obnoxious people leaving these kind of remarks good riddings,
but it's either an inside job or a job by
some kid. It looks like a kid whose mother died
because she was denied.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
That's that's my I think it's going to be.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
More complicated than that, and I think that Look, I
have no idea that I can be way off base,
but my suspicion is that there's something that's a lot
deeper than even what we know about, and that somebody
maybe hired this kid. Maybe I don't know where they
found him, but I would I would wonder.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
If Well, that's what I meant.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
That's quite because if someone hired him to off this guy,
and and whoever hired him wanted, they would want him
dead as soon as possible, because dead dead men tell
no tales. That's my thought.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well, I think that's why I said. It could easily
be an inside job or some under tic but anyway,
as a job, I mean, there's problems in this company.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
But thank you very much, George.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Merry Christmas. If we don't chat, okay, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, yeah, Merry Christmas. See you Dan. Nice talking to you, buddy.
Thank you all right.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Six one seven thirty six one seven nine three one
ten thirty. I'm troubled by this, but it also let
to know what you think. If there is some powerful
financial interest that decided that this was the way that
this guy's got to go, and this kid was hired
by them to do the deed. I don't know that
(22:07):
his love expectancy is is is much is much longer
for this world either, But we'll see, We'll see. I
hope they catch him. I hope they catch him, and
I hope that he spills his guts. And if it's
if it's if he's a lone wolf, so be it.
He spends the rest of his life in prison, simple
as that. Huh. Six thirty six, seven, nine thirty. What
(22:28):
is going on in the United States of America. This
is not a good development. Believe me, it is not
a good development. We'll be back on nightside.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on wz Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
What could compel? First of all, I got a bunch
of questions, and I'm just gonna throw him out there
and left to hear what you think. How did this
kid know exactly where Brian Thompson would be at that
hour of the morning. He was obviously waiting there. Again,
I followed this, You probably have followed it more closely,
But I know that there was some individual who said, yeah,
(23:07):
he's been hanging around this area for a little while.
He knew exactly. I think he knew where Thompson stayed
the night before. Thompson did not stay at the hotel
at that hotel. He stayed at a different hotel. How
did he know all of this? Was this an inside job?
Or why would a young man, even if he had
a relative who died, why would he want to shoot
(23:29):
an insurance executive. I mean, none of this makes sense.
None of this makes sense. Lola. Lola is one of
my best callers. She will always have a point of view. Lola,
I'm dying and know what you what you think?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Okay? So I read the New York Post and it
says that he did some insider trading. There was two
other guys with him with a combined with a combined
they sold a combined one hundred and one zero point
five million in shares. So he was going to be
investigated by the DOJ. They knew this. His wife said, oh, yeah,
(24:13):
he's been receiving death threats. So you know, when you
do bad things, bad things happen.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Hold on, hold on, first of all, yeah, we don't
know that you've cited your source, which is fine. Let's
assume let's assume that, yeah, he had some options or
trade or some shares, and let's assume he's never been
convicted of.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Anything, right, no, no, but he was being investigated. So
my theory is somebody didn't want him talking, and so
somebody hired somebody to go do a job.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Okay, so now let's assume let's just play your idea
out for a second. Okay, Yeah, so let's assume that
there was someone, I mean, he would I guess he
was training in it if I if I'm referring to
the same piece you're referring to, he was training in
uh in shares of the company that he was the
(25:12):
CEO of Fear Enough, so he had theoretically, theoretically maybe
some insight that he acted upon which he should have done.
So let's assume that's that's true. Okay, So who would
who would be willing? Let's assume that he he tipped
off a couple of other people hypothetically.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Whipped him off. See who tipped him off?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
He's the CEO of the company. He didn't need anybody
to tip him off.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Well, there was three, there were at least three of
them being involved in.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Okay, so let's assume that one of the other two, hypothetically,
one of the other two concerned that this guy was
going to I think what you're saying to me is
that one of the other two or the other two
might be concerned that this guy is going to tell
the FEDS information that would implicate these other two guys.
(26:08):
I think that's what.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
You say exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
That's let me work it through with you. So now
by setting up his demise, his murder, he won't be
talking to anybody. Okay, But don't you think that those
two people immediately become suspects.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Well, here's the thing, Dan, when people are scared, they
don't think, they don't think, they panic. So you know,
I don't watch a lot of these mystery murder drama
things because it's too intense. But it's just the minute
I saw that he was being investigated by the DJ,
(26:51):
I'm like, yep, there you go. So well, look at
our society. Nobody asks questions. Everybody shooting first and asking questions.
And this does not surprise me at all. And if
this guy, I don't know if he was staying at
the hotel or if there was an event at the hotel,
(27:15):
I can explain.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I'll give you the answer to that. Apparently there was
a scheduled investors conference for the United Healthcare Company Public.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Nobody knew.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Public. Let me finish that that he would speak there.
But he didn't stay at the Hilton Hotel. He stayed
at a different hotel Okay, apparently either up the street,
around the corner or something like that. How did this guy,
the shooter know exactly what entrance? This guy apparently he
(27:56):
didn't use a main entrance of the hotel. He just
walked from his hotel, which was a block or two away,
uh and used what was could have a signed a
lot of these hotels. It's a huge hotel, the Hilton,
and it has several entrances. How did this shooter know
what entrance this guy was likely to be called out?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
You know, I don't pluck. We've got cameras everywhere. Who knows,
like you really have to watch that mission impossible and
see all the angles and how things get done. Anything's
possible today. So the more you ask these questions, the
more I say, somebody knew exactly where he was and
(28:39):
what he was doing. Well, maybe right right.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Lola, and I appreciate you. You you you at least
one a conversation for us, you and George, and let's
see what others have to say. Fair enough, Okay, an
inside job, I tell you, well, well we're going to
get an answer to this, miss Street. But it's like
watching a television show and figuring out, you know, where
(29:03):
is this guy, where's the shooter? Is the shooter still alive?
That the shooter looks like he said the picture I'm
looking at here, he looks like he's probably twenty five
years old. He looks like a twenty five year old kid. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
But remember up in La when we had all these
these robberies, they were like five ten people watching one
house and five and ten cars, and they were all
on cell phones and oh, they just left and they're
going down this street and then the other cop follows them,
so they never know who's actually following them. Everyone's on
(29:35):
these cell phones. So it could have been something similar.
But Mike got when you're not going to be investigated
by the DOJ.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Okay, So yeah, So the bottom line this, Lola, is
that you think it all comes back to the DOJ
investigation in some form of fashion. If that works out,
I want you to call back and take a little
victory lap.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Fair enough, yep, and listen, I read the New York Post.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
No, I'm sure you do. I'm sure you do, Lola.
I'm way past my break. We've gone seven minutes, so
I got to let you go. But it's always appreciated
hearing your voice.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
All Right, Hey, is your daughter? Okay?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Because the San Francisco earthquake is everybody okay up there?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah? Yeah, that that that was an earthquake. That that
was I guess it was out in the ocean. They
were concerned about a tsunami. But yeah, thanks, long, we
gotta go. I'll talk to Merry Christmas and I don't.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Talk before that, Okay, thanks, thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, we'll take quick break. Coming right back here. On
night's side, I got one line at six one seven
four ten thirty. I got one line at six one
seven ninety. We're trying to solve a murder mystery tonight.
Love to hear your theory on this. If you've seen
the pictures that the police department released today, this is
a young guy. He looks to me like he's maybe
(30:47):
maybe twenty five. Maybe he's had some military training. I
don't know. He certainly seemed to know how to handle
that gun, but I guess it also doesn't take much
if you can handle a gun steady to shoot someone
in the back from twenty feet disgusting. Back on Nightside
after this.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Okay, we're talking about the murder of Brian Thompson, the
head of this major, major company, United Health Group, which
apparently is the largest insurance company in America. Well, I
just want to hear from as many of you as
(31:32):
possible and someone will figure it out. We have smart people.
Paula in Worcester. Paul is pretty smart. Hi, Paula, how
are you?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Yeah, I'm pretty smart. But I'll tell you something, Dan,
I there's so many troubling things about this story, but
one of the one of the most troubling to me
is how brazen people have become the You know, there
are there are ways if you have issues or with companies,
(32:03):
any kind of company, you know, to complain, to appeal
to whatever. But now people decide that they can whether
it's hired. You know, I don't know if this person
was hired or part of an inside you know what
this person was. It's kind of a young person, and
(32:23):
you know, I would think that I would think that
the person has to be either a sociopath or there's
something very wrong with someone that takes a job to
kill somebody, just to me that you know.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
There are people, there are people all over this country
who lose a job every day, and the vast majority
of them don't engage in violence. They don't go back
and shoot their former boss or the person who fire them.
We've all worked for people that we didn't get along with.
I mean, it's just it's normal human nature. Sometimes you
(32:55):
have a neighbor, someone in your neighborhood who you don't like,
and after a while you kind of steer yourself away.
But this is a young guy, so yeah, how does
he know that he doesn't obviously, how does he know
that the moment that he fires those shots. There isn't
a police officer who walks out of the hotel or
a police car that happens to drive down the street.
(33:15):
In New York, everywhere you turn there seems to be
a police officer.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Well, the scary thing is, Dan, I was my family
and I were in New York at the same time,
on the Upper West Side. You know, I think about this.
We were righted not at the Hilton, but we weren't
far away from the Hilton.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
That's that's where the hostel was where this guy was
staying and apparently was usually know a fake ID of
someone from New Jersey. Let them know who the person
from New Jersey is? Did they give him the fake ID?
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Wait? I think this guy really had this very well
orchestrated and planned out. He was there ten days before
it happened. And you know, you know as well as
I do. You can call investor relations of a company
and find out where the financial conferences and when the
guy is speaking. It's easy enough to find out that information.
(34:08):
How the person knew which doorway it was, that sort
of thing, unless he trailed the person and saw that this.
You know that that CEO went to this meeting at
a certain time. You know, I don't, I don't, I
really don't know. There's a lot of unanswered questions. In
those three words that they found on the casings are
(34:31):
the title of a book about problems, And I can't
I apologize, I can't remember the name of the book.
But it's about problems and denials of claim.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, that's yeah, the three words, and I forget them too,
but I think it was something like to pose. Yeah,
and I should have that in front of me here.
I have too many papers in front of me at
this point. But yeah, again there's no h it's odd
that that would be on the casing of the bullets zone.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
It's really odd, and you know, and it seems to me,
as you say, everyone, you know, I was head of
HR in a biotechnology company and when I had to
let somebody go, and believe me, the reasons were always,
you know, we gave people chance, up your chance, up
your chance. And I used to call the local police
(35:27):
department of the town with his company is and have
a plane closed, person in a room near me because really,
you don't know what could happen. And one time this
person had to come, you know, somebody that I was
talking to got up and you know, started screaming at me.
And I didn't know what he was going to do.
I didn't I didn't fear that he had a weapon,
(35:49):
but he could have. You know, you just don't know.
And that's maybe you know, ten or fifteen years ago
when and when I when I talked to the police
officer after I and I'm really sorry, you know, to
bother you to have to do this? That are you kidding?
Companies do this all the time, paul Us, big companies,
small companies. It's a scary world. So I guess it
(36:12):
really that bothers me that it's good.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
But by the way, Paul, the words that that that
they were on the bullet casings, delay, deny and defend
they were written on the ammunition fired at Thompson. Paul,
I got to get one more in here before the break.
So great to your voice. We will talk so and
have great holidays if I don't.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Talk to you, okay, all right, take care. Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Let me get Mike and Beverly in under the wire
and we're going to keep going on this in the
eleven o'clock hour at least I want to. I hope
you do as well. Mike. Your thoughts on where do
you think this mystery ends?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (36:49):
I don't good evening Daan Howai So you just shared
about the magazine and that book have to deal with
final ASDA and making I'm believe of them amount of
money and basically you know, not thinking here of the
pages or something like that, heard about it earlier today,
and that guy made like a ridiculous amount of money.
(37:10):
I don't know why he didn't have like a security
thing with him, but he was like, you know, a million,
a undred million dollar figure, some ridiculous amount of money.
Some stupid like that, you know. But now, yeah, that's
my I was gonna share with you about the word
on the casing. How I came back to my magazine
a book or something like that, and that's how they
(37:32):
got it from.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Okay, well, I appreciate. I appreciate that, and I had
read that. I just didn't have the words in front
of me. But it just to me, it seems it
seems insane that something like this happens on the streets
of America. I mean, this is yeah. I remember, you know,
I've as a reporter, I covered plenty of murder stories,
(37:55):
and some of the ones that you know, I'm I
forget now whether they were solved or not, but I
remember there was some guy who was killed in a
garage or whatever, or you know, or somebody ends up
they find a body in the garage the next morning
of a parking garage and there could have been an ornament.
The night before between two guys over a parking space
(38:15):
and some guy pulls out a gun. But this looks
like this was really planned.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
So this guy, yeah, but the guy, the guy gotta sloppy.
At the end of they get us, they got better.
This difference on his face from a different I can't believe.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I could be wrong, but I think the picture that
I saw of his full face, which is a pretty identity.
If you know this guy, if anybody knows him, they're
gonna they're gonna be able to You know, if if
I saw a picture of you or you saw a
picture of me and we knew each other, I'd say, hey,
you know that is that's my friend Mike.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
Yeah, but he left. He bought a Stombucks water and
the snow an back and drag. Someone put it in
the trash. So they're gonna get down.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Is out of that I know that well, you know
it would hope. But sometimes DNA is tough to paul.
I mean, when you know, yeah, let's see how it
works out. Hey, Mike, I hate to do this, do you?
Thank you? Talk soon? All right, PALP talk to you
bye bye. We'll take a very quick break here. We're
going to continue talking about this in the next hour.
(39:18):
The murder of the mystery in New York, and it
has everything to do with who was the murderer and
what was the motive of the person who pulled the
trigger or the person who hired that guy to pull
the trigger. This is going to be an interesting story
and we're going to talk about it in the next hour,
so feel free. The only lines open, I have one
at six one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty,
(39:39):
and I have two at six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty back on Night's side right after this
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