December 16, 2024 • 40 mins
Over the last couple of weeks mysterious drones have been spotted in at least six states and now in Massachusetts. Over the weekend there were multiple reports of drone sightings in Cape Cod, the North Shore, and Central and Western Mass. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said they are not military drones and not from a foreign entity. Where are these drones coming from and are you concerned? Tatsu Ikeda joined Dan Rea in looking for answers.
Ask Alexa to play WBZ NewsRadio on #iHeartRadio and listen to NightSide with Dan Rea Weeknights From 8PM-12AM!
Ask Alexa to play WBZ NewsRadio on #iHeartRadio and listen to NightSide with Dan Rea Weeknights From 8PM-12AM!
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Wbzy Costs video.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, we're through the weekend, and more drones have
been cited over America, and more drones have been cited
over more states. This all started a few weeks ago
over the great state of New Jersey and it has
spread to Pennsylvania and now New York and Connecticut and Massachusetts,
and I guess Rhode Island as well. And we're going
(00:29):
to get to my guest in a moment. His name
is tatsu Akada, and he is a journalist who has
a long career in technology and things like artificial intelligence.
We want to see if we can get some information
from Tatsuo as to what he thinks what he thinks
is going on now. We attempted to talk about this
(00:50):
last Thursday night, and for some reason, I think people
didn't have any idea. Now I think we have a
better idea. And there's all sorts of theories circulating on
the internet. But let's deal with what the officials are saying.
So here's Alejandro Majorcus. He's the head of Homeland Security.
(01:14):
Not for long, Alejandro, and he was questioned over the
weekend about on ABC News and this is cut number ten, Rob.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I want to assure the American public that we are
on it. We are working in close coordination with state
and local authorities, and it is critical, as we all
have said for a number of years, that we need
from Congress additional authorities to address the drone situation. Our
authorities currently are limited and they are set to expire.
(01:49):
We need them extended and expanded.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
What exactly do you need?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
We want state and local authorities to also have the
ability to counter drone activity under federal supervision. That is
one important element that we have requested, and we've heard
it echoed by the state and local officials themselves.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Doesn't answer the question what do you need? He just
gives him a salad, a word salad. So Admiral Kirby,
who's a spokesperson, is asked by one of the reporters
in the pool at the White House about this dilemma
(02:34):
because in the one hand, the government, the Biden administration,
is ensuring us that there's no problem here, but we
don't know what it is. I mean, the doctor said
to you, if you know where, doctor said you felt badly,
he really felt sick. And if he said, well, you know,
it's not we don't know what it is. We don't
know what it is, but it's no problem. Why don't
(02:56):
you just go ahead, uh and take the rest of
the week off. So this is Kirby cut number seven.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Rob Basically, with what you're looking at, how can you
credibly tell people that there is no public safety threat,
there's no national security threat, that there's no reason to
believe it foreign government is involved.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Because the analysis thus far in an investigation that is ongoing,
has not revealed any national security or malicious intent or
criminal activity. But Jackie, I would remind you we're at
the beginning here, not the end. There's a lot more
work to be done, and we're working closely with state
and local authorities so gain more information. I would argue
that it's we're moving pretty well here with a sense
(03:38):
of energy to try to figure out what we can
do to learn more about this we're at. We're still
in the middle of an ongoing investigation, and I'm up
here explaining to you and let you know what we
know so far, what we believe so far. If information
comes to light that changes that characterization, then my goodness,
you will be the first ones to let you know.
But right now, there's just no indication that this is
(03:59):
some sort of form the line activity or in fact
even criminal.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Okay, a state representative from New Jersey, obviously a state
which is more than familiar with the drones. He ripped
John Kirby over this. This is State Representative Brian Bergen
cut eight. Rob.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
That guy's an idiot that I can tell you right
now because the colonel of the state police told the
members of the state legislature that one of his helicopters
was hovering above a six foot wide drone and he
landed that helicopter because he felt unsafe for his pilots.
I'm a former Apache helicopter pilot and a member of
(04:46):
the New Jersey State Legislature, and I've seen these things
in my own community. That guy, I don't even know
his name, who was on here a couple of minutes ago,
is a fool. If he's going to say that there's
no issue.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
Well, he's a former rear a in the US Navy
named John Kirby. So helicopter pilot again against John Admiral
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, you know, go Army beat Navy. That's what I
have to say in this regard. Oh turned out Navy
one over the weekend. Chris Christy, the former governor of
New Jersey. He went after my orcis. Chris Christie is
someone who's very honest, maybe sometimes too honest. This this
will show you the debate that's going on. Cut number twelve.
Speaker 9 (05:25):
Rub I've been traveling around New Jersey as I normally do,
all week and I can't tell you the number of
people have called it to me, concerned about it, and
that is.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
This a mass hystery of some sort.
Speaker 9 (05:36):
Well, here's why, George, because of answers, like the secretary
just gave, they're not answering the questions.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well he said that.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
He said that they're monitoring, that they haven't seen any
unusual activity, and they need more authority.
Speaker 9 (05:48):
Let me say something. I agree that they need more authority,
but to not say that this is not that to
say this is not unusual activity, it's just wrong. I've
lived in New Jersey my whole life. This is the
first time that I've noticed drones over my house. And
I was in a restaurant in Mamma's County on Friday night,
had people at the bar coming up to me and
saying Governor Murphy won't tell me anything. The President won't
(06:09):
tell me anything, do you know, Like, well, I don't know,
but I will tell you this. I think this is
what happens in our society now, George when because we're
used to having things so rapidly. If you don't fill
that vacuum, then all the conspiracy theories get filled in there.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Joining me now is a pretty sharp guy. I've known
him a little bit. Name is Tatsuit with Keda. It's
an investigative journalist who is very smart. Tatsuo, give me
a little bit of your background. You have a long
career in technology. Just give us some idea about why
(06:48):
I would bring you on tonight and talk about this.
You've written about it, but again, I just wanted you
to introduce yourself to my audience.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Go ahead, Hey, Dan, thanks for having me on the show.
And I have been definitely an investigative journalism just for
a little while. But yes, my career is an it.
I've been doing it for decades. And have you been
(07:17):
helped in at certain points in his journey? I help
small medium sized businesses universities manage their technology infrastructure, everything
for networking servers, cloud stuff, hyper security, websites and app
development and recently a lot of AI initiatives.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So with that background, you can look at this with
a little bit more of a CHRISTI yeah, the average person,
what do you think is going on?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Well, yeah, I got together all the information I could gather,
which is basically a lot of I was testimony that
those are interesting uh cuts that you had there from officials.
I think to tell right there is that two of
them were requesting, you know, basically more authority over you know,
(08:21):
versus let's say civil liberties. And I think I think
the people in power understand that drone technology is somewhat
disruptive to their own you know, surveillance of the citizen
me So maybe this is one angle, not saying that's
(08:41):
what it is, but the drones themselves. You can you
can read some of this in my article on sub stack.
If you just search for my name T A. T.
S U Substack you'll probably sign it. But that that
articles and a half hole. I've been doing some interesting
(09:03):
research on the drones themselves, according to I when it's
testimony and what they described, anything from six feet to
the size of car size and STV to the size
of a bus in a quad copture format doesn't exist,
and for a number of reasons, what.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Do you mean by cloude copture. That's the term I'm
unfamiliar with.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Sure, So your typical consumer like drone which has four
propellers in an upright fashion, so it uses four propellers
and server motors and and you know, gyroscope to balance,
which has more power, so it tilts this way, turns
(09:48):
that way, goes up and down. The other kind of
drone that people could be familiar with are more military
style drones. They look like on man helicopters. They can
still be powered by propellers. But it decides there really
isn't anything sixty wide except for passenger drones. You know,
(10:14):
there's one company in the United States that makes one,
and there's another company China that makes these manned quad
copter drones, but they don't fit the use case because
according to military sources US military sources, these things do
not have a heat signature. So the technology required two
(10:41):
have a drone that doesn't give off any heat is
very high tech and doing it as something a size
is kind of incredible. It also just the fact that
the drones operated at night tells us the drones themselves
have thermally, So you're talking about a drone that can
(11:03):
see thermals but doesn't generate any thermals. It's like magic.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, okay, so that's so that might give us some
insight as to what they might be looking for.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
It sounds to me, oh gee, what does that tell
you in terms of I'm not.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
The experts, but it tells me they're looking for something
that is on the ground that is hotter. I mean,
if you would use a drone if you were looking
for a lost child, you know, in a in a
in the woods. I assume that's the way I would
think you'd be using drones that, you know, if the
child was lost at night. That's or you're looking for
a suspect. The guy who escaped from the penitentiary of
(11:44):
a couple of years ago in Pennsylvania. They couldn't catch
him for ten or eleven days. Am I Am? I
right or wrong on that?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Oh yeah, that's definitely a potential use case that I
hadn't even thought up myself, but a good one. And
so you could be looking for a person, you could
be looking for resources that give off heat. You know,
it could be a giant man hunt. Some kind or child.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
That's that stresses that stretches the imagination because if it
was a man hunt for a person, uh, the media
would the government would know about it, and they would
want to spread the word we're looking for if you see,
you know, an escape prisoner. I mean, that's what that
tell people. Keep keep your doors locked if you're looking
for a child. Check check the sheds in your in
(12:33):
your area in case some you know, teenager has has
hidden there.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I don't know unless yeah, sure, I mean it could
be an asset that they don't want anyone to know about.
Speaker 10 (12:47):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
The possibilities are are kind of endless, you know. I'm
just trying to describe which should be the profile of
the drums themselves in it. In addition, you know, they
have the ability to swarm the information, so that could
be AI programming that could be standard you know swarm
(13:12):
technology that you see them deployed in you know, the
Super Bowl, Olympic Games and events like that for shows.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No idea all of the Yeah, but I don't think
that that's what what they're doing in the middle of
the night over New Jersey or Cape Cod. I mean
there are people in the Cape who have said they
have seen these now maybe some of them are mistaken
or whatever. Let me do this tattoo. Let me take
a quick break. Let me give our phone number. See
if folks want to add to our conversation. And they again,
we don't have the answer, but maybe we can hone
(13:42):
down in on it a little bit. My name is
Dan Ray. This is the Night Side. My guest is
Tatsuo Akita. He is an investigative journalist with a great
deal of background in a long career in technology up
to an including artificial intelligence. I don't understand when the
government says to me, we don't know what it is,
(14:04):
but we know that it's nothing to be concerned about.
Those two simultaneous answers cannot be reconciled because you cannot
tell me there's nothing to be worried about if you
don't know what it is. Just makes common sense. Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
What do you think? So what's going on? What's going on?
(14:26):
I know that there are some theories that I'm not
necessarily interested in getting into, but uh, this to me
is the last month of the Biden administration, and I
thought transparency was something this administration was going to provide us.
I guess not. Back on Nights Side after this.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the window World
Life Sense Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
So I guess there is tatsu Keda. Let's get some
phone calls, tats who probably there are more people out
there know about this stuff, and certainly I do, and
maybe they can pick your brain and we can figure
this one out. Let me go to Bob and Boston. Bob,
you're first appreciate you call it in first this week
on Nights On, you're all my guests, Tatsuo with Cada,
go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Hi, Dan, I Tattoo. I thought immediately right off the
bat that this was a fear mongering tactic by the bureaucracy.
Once again, it's nothing. It's just there's so much discord
these days about not trusting the government, not trusting the science,
(15:36):
not trusting anything. And for the federal government to come
forward and say they don't know what's going on is
it's blasphemy. Almost. It's understood that the private sector probably
has technology, but we should know about it, because.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Why would the government. Bobby in Europe Onion basically put
themselves in that position of being held up to ridicule
and contempt.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Well, because what they're trying to do is see amonger
and as Tattoo said earlier, is that they want control.
And so the control is is that they keep the airways.
They have control of where drones can fly. So if
you're just a you know, a run of the mill
guy with a ninety nine dollars drone, but you can
(16:31):
get into some mischief, or you can get into some
areas where they don't want you to have any sort
of of technology. That's what it's all about. Dan, I
don't like, I don't want to them off as a
conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
No no, no, you're not coming out, no no, and
I'll get tattooed in here. In the second. What I'm
saying is that this First of all, there were the
two guys who a arrested at Logan Airport. They have
nothing to do with this. Why people Cinnario with drones
while planes are coming into land at Logan Airport? Those
people got a problem, okay, because if they ever caused
(17:08):
an airplane to crash, I mean, hundreds of lives could
be lost. So this should just like, you shouldn't have drones.
You can't fly small planes over the White House. You know,
maybe everybody would love to fly a small plane over
the White House, but if one of them decides to
have a bomb on it, they're drop in the White House,
that'd be a problem. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I mean, no, it's not that I don't I don't
agree that there should be things camped down on these things.
But but once again, why would the government come across
like they know absolutely nothing. These things are as size
of a piano and they're saying that they know nothing
(17:49):
about it.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Let's let's see if Tatsu can can hone in on
the point you're making. I think I understand what you're saying, Tatsu,
you're you.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I appreciate, Yeah, I appreciate Ball's spots repect perspective here
in terms of, you know, whether they do know or
they don't know kind of doesn't matter. They're using the
crisis to their advantage by you know, being able to
have more regulations around Pavilian use of drones while not
(18:22):
disclosing their own capabilities with drone technology. As I was
saying before, the drones that people are describing do not exist.
The technical specifications for the six foot drone would require
a gasoline engine as used in industrial farming drones, which
(18:43):
use two store up motors, and to scale that up
to six feet from three feet, you would require an
even louder engine. The noise level would go from like
a weed whacker in the sky to the lawnmower in
the sky, very loud. And you know who I was
(19:04):
writing the course, So we're talking about a drone that
is the capabilities of a gas powered fixed drone, but
it's quiet as an electric drone and a quad quad
conture arrangement. It doesn't exist, right, So and the only
people who know about technologies that don't exist is the government,
(19:25):
right in conjunction with the military contractors, the only drone.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I mean, that's a lot of people right there, tattoo.
I I mean, if I realized that military contractors can't
say anything, I get it. But I'm assuming that even
if you're a military contractor, you sometimes you know, have
a beer with some friends or something. I don't know,
I mean, I don't know how tightly they can tie
up those people. I'm just I think the government looks
(19:53):
incompetent here.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
And maybe intentionally. So you what intentionally? I mean, what
what is the.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Advantage, What is the advantage of looking incompetent intentionally? I
don't get that.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Incompetence versus malfeasance. Maybe you've heard of terms like positive denial,
managed democracy, cambergarady, perception management.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I mean, if if if we if we go over
and and we sabotage a Russian oil pipeline, I don't
want to know about it. If if that's in our
interest to to to to hurt Russia's pipeline, and whether
it's our guys or Germans or whoever it is, I
don't need to know about it, do you know what
(20:44):
I'm saying? But I just don't think we need to say, oh, yeah,
we've we've we've blown up that pipeline. But if if
if they have stuff flying over homes and all of that,
and they're they're going to say, well, it's not a threat,
it's not a threat, but we don't really know what
it is. Those statements are inherently inconsistent.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Right, Yeah, So it's to be maybe three things I
actually don't know. Okay, very unlikely they do know, but
they don't want to say and if they know it's
either foreign or domestic, and they would have their reasons
for not disclosing the motivations behind either of those.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well, I'll tell you it's foreign and then and I
don't know. Let me take a break. We got the
news at the bottom of the hour. Folks who like
the join our conversation. I guess is tatsu Akaita. He knows.
He knows a lot more about the technology of this
stuff that I will ever know. Okay, I'm just trying
to point out what I think are pretty obvious that
(21:59):
I don't know. I don't get the game. My question
if someone can explain to me why the government wants
to make themselves look incompetent, I don't know. I've never
known a government wanting to make themselves look incompetent. But
we'll get back to that, and we'll take a quick break.
Nine thirty News coming back on Nightside, Boston's news radio.
(22:25):
All right back to the phones. My guest is tatsu
A Keda, again a journalist, but deep background in technology,
and that's why I've asked him to join us tonight.
Let me go next to one of my best callers,
and that is Steve and Cambridge. Steve, you are next
on nightside, say hell, well to.
Speaker 11 (22:44):
Hi Dantsu Tatsu. You have a background in technology, but
that doesn't necessarily mean you're familiar with drone that drone
drone technology or does it?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
No, I'm familiar I operated drones before. Uh, you know,
not to familiar with the military style drones. I am
familiar with farming style industrial drones. I can tell you
about the power to the size ratio that you need
as you scale up drone. For instance, one fact people
(23:23):
might not know the size and weight of a drone
is exponentially related to its power source. So if you
have a two foot drone and you scale it up
to a four foot drone, you need four times the power.
Speaker 11 (23:37):
And so so I'm getting the impression that the drones
that we're seeing now you have never up until this point,
this is the technology that you have did not know existed.
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah, that's my impression. It's it's it's almost inconceivable device
of this size and capability exists.
Speaker 11 (24:02):
So either the United States government or foreign government or
an alien has got a drone source. It's so far
it's extremely advanced. What is your speculation if you had
to bet on it. You know, if you were at
Las Vegas, what would be your bets do? What's going
(24:23):
on here?
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I mean it could it could be new power source
that you know, surpasses finally, gas technology, I mean battery
even the latest generation lithium technologies are far less dense
energy wise than gasoleene.
Speaker 11 (24:44):
But why would they be flying them all over the
United States? What would be the purpose of that? Do
you have any would you hazard a guess on that?
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I think you have to look back into history to
get context or what's going on now. And the two
the two communities on Reddit that have been talking very
actively about this is our subreddit, our UFO and our
Aviation and so they have very very very different views.
(25:19):
The aviation community says, oh, these are just planes and
people are making mistakes, and the UFO community is like, no, no, no,
there's there's something definitely going on here. So but if
you look at the way the US government has managed
the UFO information stream over the past, what yeah, right?
(25:46):
They They've always had this deceptive way of denying the
UFO appearances or eyewitness accounts while behind the public's back
studying the phenomenon for themselves.
Speaker 11 (26:00):
Well, my last question to you is Dan has mentioned
this before. Do you think it's too early to panic?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
M hm uh uh to early to panic. I'm a
very even killed guy, so you know, I don't see
any drums of her mind place. So I'm doing okay.
Speaker 11 (26:18):
All right, that's very reassuring. Thanks Tatsu for all the information.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Thanks Dan, appreciate the call. Good night. Let me go
next too, John and Boston jog a redhead.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
Thank Dad, Tattoo. I've got a couple quick questions in
front of mine.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Too, Tattoo. That's John, go ahead.
Speaker 10 (26:37):
Yes, that's why I thought, I said, Tattoo. A friend
of mine showed me some pictures he's former Air Force
on the soft shore, shows a group of fifteen to
twenty drones in the sky. If it wasn't for him,
because I know he's in the Air Force, I wouldn't
have believed it. The question is just a little bit
of reading I've done on it. I know they have
some way of detective frequency because the drones speak to
one another from frequencies and they the jam is to
(27:01):
jam the drones to bring them down. Why I'm they
not using jammers now? Because they have the technology to
do what they use the jam of SUPPOLSI and NFL
stadiums to keep drones away. Why aren't they using jams
to take the drones down to look at them?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
If you because you're an expert on that stuff, right,
I mean, electronic warfare is standard s op. You know,
in the Ukraine War, the Russians use it against Ukrainian
drones and vice versa. In response to that, you might
not know this, they do have fiber optic controlled drones
which are impervious to jammers and electronic warfare technologies. So yeah,
(27:43):
it's really disconcerting the information drops that we have getting
from military sources. You know, the Air Force says, well, gosh,
these things are you can't detect them. They have no
heat signature. It's like how to how you do that?
You know? But there's enough, there's enough visuals.
Speaker 10 (28:04):
Why wouldn't they fly a helicopter drop a net just
to get one of them, just so they could check
it out. That's what's confusing, because they obviously want people
to know they're there and if someone's flying them, so
why not fly a helicopter and drop some kind of
net catch one, just one. All you need is one.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I mean, the logical conclusion is that they don't want
to capture one for whatever reason that they want disclosed, right,
and they want you to know over there, which is weird,
huh right right, So it's a it's a soft disclosure
of sometimes you know, it's it's a show. I mean
(28:41):
Trump that today. You know, the government knows what's happening.
Our military knows where they took off from. If it's
a grash, then go inside. I don't I don't know
if you's me.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I had the Trump I had the Trump sound bite
from today. Tatsuo said, you just mentioned and I'd like
to play it for the audience so they can tell
what you're referring to in which I heard earlier. Rob.
This is cut number twenty two on tonight's cut list,
Cut twenty two President Trump earlier.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
Today, the government, the government knows what is happening. Look,
our military knows where they took off from. If it's
a garage, they can go right into that garage. They
know where it came from and where it went. And
for some reason they don't want to comment, and I
think they'd be better off saying what it is. Our
(29:27):
military knows and our president knows, and for some reason
they want to keep people in suspense. I can't imagine
it's the enemy, because it was the enemy they'd blasted out,
even if they were late, they'd blasted.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Something strange is going on.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
For some reason, they don't want to tell the people,
and they should because the people are really I mean,
they happen to be over Bedminster. We want to know
that they're very they're very close to Bedminster. I think
maybe I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster. I've decided
to cancel my trip.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Received intelligence briefing on the drones.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I don't want to comment on that. That's an interesting
response to the question that he didn't want to comment
on that. That's interesting.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah, telling the silent part out loud, saying mean language.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So yes, yes, yes, yes, all right, John, I appreciate
your call.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Just one.
Speaker 10 (30:21):
But I wonder if if a jet or a plane
ends up crashing because of this, if that'll get enough
attention to that, they'll have to say something and it's
I would take that you have to take it down?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, Well, or what about a smaller plane, is you know,
you know, succeeder or something like that, A private jet.
I mean, who knows. I still don't understand why the
government is intentionally leaving me with the impression and that
they either don't know, which is well again, which is
pretty scary, or that they do know, but they're telling
(30:57):
us at the same time there's nothing to be worried about. Well,
if this's you can't not know and tell me there's
nothing to be worried about. It's as simple as that,
in my in my opinion, Thanks John.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
Maybe they should have the inaugurate inauguration inside then in
so they know.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I don't know, we'll see see Thanks much. All right,
you're gonna get to Terry and Judy, And now my
guest is tatsu Akada. Uh Tatsu certainly is sketching out
a variety of possibilities. At some point I may try
to pin him down in our final segment and say, hey,
if you had to take a wild shot, what would
(31:33):
it be. But we'll take a quick break on nights
Side right after this.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But we heard this weekend there's some drones down over
the Cape. Let's see if Terry from Harwich has spotted
any of those drones down over the Cape Terry arm
with Tatsu Akkada, go right ahead, Hi, Dan's.
Speaker 12 (31:57):
Good to talk to you. Tatsu, nice to meet you.
So I have a couple of very interesting questions for you,
because I do have a lot of information. Number one,
the drones are different in size and I believe capabilities,
but some of them in the last third of the
(32:23):
of the design looks like it has a lounded disc,
and because I'm a novice, I'm going to call it
a satellite dish. Now my question is this, do they
have the capacity to communicate to each other?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
That would make sense that they have. They need the
technology to operate in a swarm like fashion because they
have to do with the positions of all of them. Right,
this solved, So yeah, they need to communicate. How that
How that's done in the scenario, I don't know sure.
Speaker 12 (33:09):
So I'm going to take at another level and say,
let's think that this is fiber optic run. Would it
be possible to run those fiber optics with high powered
electric currents?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Uh biber epical cannot run electrical power sources. They can
they run electrical signals, but ah.
Speaker 12 (33:38):
That's the key. Okay, So think about this for a second.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Sorry, optical signals ahead.
Speaker 12 (33:46):
Perhaps we have a new communications system for people to
buy drugs, to do illegal gambling, et cetera. And I
believe strongly that the government knows exactly what's happening, but
they're learning by they're intercepting the communication between the drones.
(34:13):
How does that sound to you?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Well, I think what you're alluding to in general is
that we're describing a drone that almost defies physics itself.
And you know, there's a reason why we don't have
helicopters the size of a jumbo jet, right, physically impossible.
If that size is that way, you cannot design a
(34:39):
motor that would fit inside the helicopter to give enough
thrust to get it off the ground, right, But they're.
Speaker 12 (34:46):
Not all that size.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You gotta hold on here because I'm gonna let I
got two more. I got to get in as well.
You've asked some really good questions, and I think Tatsu
was giving me some good answers. And if we had
more time, your question is right, and tattoos answers might
solve everything. But I got out the folks. I gotta
grab a minute or so here as well.
Speaker 12 (35:07):
Okay, okay, Dan, thank you.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Thank you, y bye bye. I'm going to Judy and Boston.
Judy your next on nights. I got to get room
for you in one more. Go ahead, Judy, all right.
Speaker 13 (35:19):
So I just I'm actually at works, so I'm going
to be super quick. So in September, Elon Musk commented
about on the tweeted or x or something about drone
war's coming. He has a huge military contract. He's also
involved in the Trump administration. What do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
I didn't know that. So he tweeted on.
Speaker 13 (35:47):
September thirtieth or so, like drome War's coming, right, and
he is part of this Doge thing. He has a
huge contract with the military and SpaceX and everything notes.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So so why would the Biden administration keep that that
out of play? I mean, if this Wass's project, why
would they they just not? Why would the Biden administration
protect Elon Musk?
Speaker 13 (36:16):
Why does he care?
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Uh, we got a month left.
Speaker 13 (36:21):
Why does he care? What's he doing at this.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Talking about it? I'm not talking about Joe Biden. I'm
talking about his administration.
Speaker 13 (36:32):
Go ahead, but not even.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Let me get tattoo in here because he's more he's
smarter than I own this stuff. Go ahead, tattoo.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Well about an administration itself, you know, going back to
your themes of incompetence scanning, I think, uh, combined with
sorry your guests opinion of why why not let it
all out of the bag at this point, you know,
(37:03):
either one to be possible to some degree. Uh. You know,
my concern is that the technology, the physics sort of
defies reality in terms of what people are describing the
they're seeing in the skies. And and I'm not sure
Elon Musk is the guy to deliver that kind of technology.
(37:27):
Elon Musk is you know, looked up upon mostly for
his wealth, but I personally don't have a high opinion
of his companies or technology. They strike me as sort
of technologically pedestrian. And except for maybe starlink and is
(37:49):
rocket technology to some degree.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Has been important, that's for sure. Oh, Judy, we'll leave
it hanging out there. We don't have an answer for you,
but I think it's a great question. Thank you so much.
Speaker 13 (38:01):
I mean, he tweeted, I mean he tweeted on September thirty.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Oh no, we got that shorty, I want to get
already told you, I told you I got to be
fear of everybody. So I appreciate. I think you made
it really well. I mean appreciate your call. Thanks, Judy.
Let me go out. I got about a minute for you.
I got jammed on time. You're the last call of
what he got in a minute? Ol?
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Okay, can you get back to me after the commercial?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Did nope? Nope, nope, nope. You got about forty five
seconds out. I'm changing topics of ten twenty five second quickly.
Speaker 10 (38:30):
Nothing seconds there.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Well, I'm going to say that good night. Oult'll call earlier,
al and I give you much more time. I want
to thank my guest Tatsuo a Keda again. I think
it's fascinating. Do you want to take a shot at
what you think it'll eventure one one? Will we eventually
be told this story is not going to go away.
Maybe it'll disappear. You tell me what where do you
(38:53):
think it ends up? A month from now, Tatsuo.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Well, it could be years. The twenty seven team UH
marks the year that the US government changed their policy
internally regarding public disclosure about UFOs, and so you might
be saying some of the same themes here with military technologies.
(39:19):
It's it's probably a military technology, and maybe it's maybe
it's just a signal to to the entire world. You know,
a you know, our our navy fleet is outdated, and
you know our military needs fears your building. But hey,
(39:41):
you know we got you on the ground front.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
That's who I enjoyed it very much. People could follow
you in substack right easy.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
To find Tatsuos newsletter on substack.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Okay, thank you very much, Dad, We'll talk soon. Okay,
thanks to do a great job. Appreciate it. To the calls,
look folks for and I try to save you some
time you call in it whatever it is ten minutes off.
I can't give you twenty minutes of time. We're changing topics.
We're going to talk about the murder of the healthcare
CEO and maybe what caused it. I have two medical
(40:14):
experts coming up that might blow your mind. Stay with
us here on Nightside.
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Wbzy Costs video.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, we're through the weekend, and more drones have
been cited over America, and more drones have been cited
over more states. This all started a few weeks ago
over the great state of New Jersey and it has
spread to Pennsylvania and now New York and Connecticut and Massachusetts,
and I guess Rhode Island as well. And we're going
(00:29):
to get to my guest in a moment. His name
is tatsu Akada, and he is a journalist who has
a long career in technology and things like artificial intelligence.
We want to see if we can get some information
from Tatsuo as to what he thinks what he thinks
is going on now. We attempted to talk about this
(00:50):
last Thursday night, and for some reason, I think people
didn't have any idea. Now I think we have a
better idea. And there's all sorts of theories circulating on
the internet. But let's deal with what the officials are saying.
So here's Alejandro Majorcus. He's the head of Homeland Security.
(01:14):
Not for long, Alejandro, and he was questioned over the
weekend about on ABC News and this is cut number ten, Rob.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I want to assure the American public that we are
on it. We are working in close coordination with state
and local authorities, and it is critical, as we all
have said for a number of years, that we need
from Congress additional authorities to address the drone situation. Our
authorities currently are limited and they are set to expire.
(01:49):
We need them extended and expanded.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
What exactly do you need?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
We want state and local authorities to also have the
ability to counter drone activity under federal supervision. That is
one important element that we have requested, and we've heard
it echoed by the state and local officials themselves.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Doesn't answer the question what do you need? He just
gives him a salad, a word salad. So Admiral Kirby,
who's a spokesperson, is asked by one of the reporters
in the pool at the White House about this dilemma
(02:34):
because in the one hand, the government, the Biden administration,
is ensuring us that there's no problem here, but we
don't know what it is. I mean, the doctor said
to you, if you know where, doctor said you felt badly,
he really felt sick. And if he said, well, you know,
it's not we don't know what it is. We don't
know what it is, but it's no problem. Why don't
(02:56):
you just go ahead, uh and take the rest of
the week off. So this is Kirby cut number seven.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Rob Basically, with what you're looking at, how can you
credibly tell people that there is no public safety threat,
there's no national security threat, that there's no reason to
believe it foreign government is involved.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Because the analysis thus far in an investigation that is ongoing,
has not revealed any national security or malicious intent or
criminal activity. But Jackie, I would remind you we're at
the beginning here, not the end. There's a lot more
work to be done, and we're working closely with state
and local authorities so gain more information. I would argue
that it's we're moving pretty well here with a sense
(03:38):
of energy to try to figure out what we can
do to learn more about this we're at. We're still
in the middle of an ongoing investigation, and I'm up
here explaining to you and let you know what we
know so far, what we believe so far. If information
comes to light that changes that characterization, then my goodness,
you will be the first ones to let you know.
But right now, there's just no indication that this is
(03:59):
some sort of form the line activity or in fact
even criminal.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Okay, a state representative from New Jersey, obviously a state
which is more than familiar with the drones. He ripped
John Kirby over this. This is State Representative Brian Bergen
cut eight. Rob.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
That guy's an idiot that I can tell you right
now because the colonel of the state police told the
members of the state legislature that one of his helicopters
was hovering above a six foot wide drone and he
landed that helicopter because he felt unsafe for his pilots.
I'm a former Apache helicopter pilot and a member of
(04:46):
the New Jersey State Legislature, and I've seen these things
in my own community. That guy, I don't even know
his name, who was on here a couple of minutes ago,
is a fool. If he's going to say that there's
no issue.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
Well, he's a former rear a in the US Navy
named John Kirby. So helicopter pilot again against John Admiral
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, you know, go Army beat Navy. That's what I
have to say in this regard. Oh turned out Navy
one over the weekend. Chris Christy, the former governor of
New Jersey. He went after my orcis. Chris Christie is
someone who's very honest, maybe sometimes too honest. This this
will show you the debate that's going on. Cut number twelve.
Speaker 9 (05:25):
Rub I've been traveling around New Jersey as I normally do,
all week and I can't tell you the number of
people have called it to me, concerned about it, and
that is.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
This a mass hystery of some sort.
Speaker 9 (05:36):
Well, here's why, George, because of answers, like the secretary
just gave, they're not answering the questions.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well he said that.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
He said that they're monitoring, that they haven't seen any
unusual activity, and they need more authority.
Speaker 9 (05:48):
Let me say something. I agree that they need more authority,
but to not say that this is not that to
say this is not unusual activity, it's just wrong. I've
lived in New Jersey my whole life. This is the
first time that I've noticed drones over my house. And
I was in a restaurant in Mamma's County on Friday night,
had people at the bar coming up to me and
saying Governor Murphy won't tell me anything. The President won't
(06:09):
tell me anything, do you know, Like, well, I don't know,
but I will tell you this. I think this is
what happens in our society now, George when because we're
used to having things so rapidly. If you don't fill
that vacuum, then all the conspiracy theories get filled in there.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Joining me now is a pretty sharp guy. I've known
him a little bit. Name is Tatsuit with Keda. It's
an investigative journalist who is very smart. Tatsuo, give me
a little bit of your background. You have a long
career in technology. Just give us some idea about why
(06:48):
I would bring you on tonight and talk about this.
You've written about it, but again, I just wanted you
to introduce yourself to my audience.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Go ahead, Hey, Dan, thanks for having me on the show.
And I have been definitely an investigative journalism just for
a little while. But yes, my career is an it.
I've been doing it for decades. And have you been
(07:17):
helped in at certain points in his journey? I help
small medium sized businesses universities manage their technology infrastructure, everything
for networking servers, cloud stuff, hyper security, websites and app
development and recently a lot of AI initiatives.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So with that background, you can look at this with
a little bit more of a CHRISTI yeah, the average person,
what do you think is going on?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Well, yeah, I got together all the information I could gather,
which is basically a lot of I was testimony that
those are interesting uh cuts that you had there from officials.
I think to tell right there is that two of
them were requesting, you know, basically more authority over you know,
(08:21):
versus let's say civil liberties. And I think I think
the people in power understand that drone technology is somewhat
disruptive to their own you know, surveillance of the citizen
me So maybe this is one angle, not saying that's
(08:41):
what it is, but the drones themselves. You can you
can read some of this in my article on sub stack.
If you just search for my name T A. T.
S U Substack you'll probably sign it. But that that
articles and a half hole. I've been doing some interesting
(09:03):
research on the drones themselves, according to I when it's
testimony and what they described, anything from six feet to
the size of car size and STV to the size
of a bus in a quad copture format doesn't exist,
and for a number of reasons, what.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Do you mean by cloude copture. That's the term I'm
unfamiliar with.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Sure, So your typical consumer like drone which has four
propellers in an upright fashion, so it uses four propellers
and server motors and and you know, gyroscope to balance,
which has more power, so it tilts this way, turns
(09:48):
that way, goes up and down. The other kind of
drone that people could be familiar with are more military
style drones. They look like on man helicopters. They can
still be powered by propellers. But it decides there really
isn't anything sixty wide except for passenger drones. You know,
(10:14):
there's one company in the United States that makes one,
and there's another company China that makes these manned quad
copter drones, but they don't fit the use case because
according to military sources US military sources, these things do
not have a heat signature. So the technology required two
(10:41):
have a drone that doesn't give off any heat is
very high tech and doing it as something a size
is kind of incredible. It also just the fact that
the drones operated at night tells us the drones themselves
have thermally, So you're talking about a drone that can
(11:03):
see thermals but doesn't generate any thermals. It's like magic.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, okay, so that's so that might give us some
insight as to what they might be looking for.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
It sounds to me, oh gee, what does that tell
you in terms of I'm not.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
The experts, but it tells me they're looking for something
that is on the ground that is hotter. I mean,
if you would use a drone if you were looking
for a lost child, you know, in a in a
in the woods. I assume that's the way I would
think you'd be using drones that, you know, if the
child was lost at night. That's or you're looking for
a suspect. The guy who escaped from the penitentiary of
(11:44):
a couple of years ago in Pennsylvania. They couldn't catch
him for ten or eleven days. Am I Am? I
right or wrong on that?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Oh yeah, that's definitely a potential use case that I
hadn't even thought up myself, but a good one. And
so you could be looking for a person, you could
be looking for resources that give off heat. You know,
it could be a giant man hunt. Some kind or child.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
That's that stresses that stretches the imagination because if it
was a man hunt for a person, uh, the media
would the government would know about it, and they would
want to spread the word we're looking for if you see,
you know, an escape prisoner. I mean, that's what that
tell people. Keep keep your doors locked if you're looking
for a child. Check check the sheds in your in
(12:33):
your area in case some you know, teenager has has
hidden there.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
I don't know unless yeah, sure, I mean it could
be an asset that they don't want anyone to know about.
Speaker 10 (12:47):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
The possibilities are are kind of endless, you know. I'm
just trying to describe which should be the profile of
the drums themselves in it. In addition, you know, they
have the ability to swarm the information, so that could
be AI programming that could be standard you know swarm
(13:12):
technology that you see them deployed in you know, the
Super Bowl, Olympic Games and events like that for shows.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No idea all of the Yeah, but I don't think
that that's what what they're doing in the middle of
the night over New Jersey or Cape Cod. I mean
there are people in the Cape who have said they
have seen these now maybe some of them are mistaken
or whatever. Let me do this tattoo. Let me take
a quick break. Let me give our phone number. See
if folks want to add to our conversation. And they again,
we don't have the answer, but maybe we can hone
(13:42):
down in on it a little bit. My name is
Dan Ray. This is the Night Side. My guest is
Tatsuo Akita. He is an investigative journalist with a great
deal of background in a long career in technology up
to an including artificial intelligence. I don't understand when the
government says to me, we don't know what it is,
(14:04):
but we know that it's nothing to be concerned about.
Those two simultaneous answers cannot be reconciled because you cannot
tell me there's nothing to be worried about if you
don't know what it is. Just makes common sense. Six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
What do you think? So what's going on? What's going on?
(14:26):
I know that there are some theories that I'm not
necessarily interested in getting into, but uh, this to me
is the last month of the Biden administration, and I
thought transparency was something this administration was going to provide us.
I guess not. Back on Nights Side after this.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the window World
Life Sense Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
So I guess there is tatsu Keda. Let's get some
phone calls, tats who probably there are more people out
there know about this stuff, and certainly I do, and
maybe they can pick your brain and we can figure
this one out. Let me go to Bob and Boston. Bob,
you're first appreciate you call it in first this week
on Nights On, you're all my guests, Tatsuo with Cada,
go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Hi, Dan, I Tattoo. I thought immediately right off the
bat that this was a fear mongering tactic by the bureaucracy.
Once again, it's nothing. It's just there's so much discord
these days about not trusting the government, not trusting the science,
(15:36):
not trusting anything. And for the federal government to come
forward and say they don't know what's going on is
it's blasphemy. Almost. It's understood that the private sector probably
has technology, but we should know about it, because.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Why would the government. Bobby in Europe Onion basically put
themselves in that position of being held up to ridicule
and contempt.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Well, because what they're trying to do is see amonger
and as Tattoo said earlier, is that they want control.
And so the control is is that they keep the airways.
They have control of where drones can fly. So if
you're just a you know, a run of the mill
guy with a ninety nine dollars drone, but you can
(16:31):
get into some mischief, or you can get into some
areas where they don't want you to have any sort
of of technology. That's what it's all about. Dan, I
don't like, I don't want to them off as a
conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
No no, no, you're not coming out, no no, and
I'll get tattooed in here. In the second. What I'm
saying is that this First of all, there were the
two guys who a arrested at Logan Airport. They have
nothing to do with this. Why people Cinnario with drones
while planes are coming into land at Logan Airport? Those
people got a problem, okay, because if they ever caused
(17:08):
an airplane to crash, I mean, hundreds of lives could
be lost. So this should just like, you shouldn't have drones.
You can't fly small planes over the White House. You know,
maybe everybody would love to fly a small plane over
the White House, but if one of them decides to
have a bomb on it, they're drop in the White House,
that'd be a problem. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I mean, no, it's not that I don't I don't
agree that there should be things camped down on these things.
But but once again, why would the government come across
like they know absolutely nothing. These things are as size
of a piano and they're saying that they know nothing
(17:49):
about it.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Let's let's see if Tatsu can can hone in on
the point you're making. I think I understand what you're saying, Tatsu,
you're you.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I appreciate, Yeah, I appreciate Ball's spots repect perspective here
in terms of, you know, whether they do know or
they don't know kind of doesn't matter. They're using the
crisis to their advantage by you know, being able to
have more regulations around Pavilian use of drones while not
(18:22):
disclosing their own capabilities with drone technology. As I was
saying before, the drones that people are describing do not exist.
The technical specifications for the six foot drone would require
a gasoline engine as used in industrial farming drones, which
(18:43):
use two store up motors, and to scale that up
to six feet from three feet, you would require an
even louder engine. The noise level would go from like
a weed whacker in the sky to the lawnmower in
the sky, very loud. And you know who I was
(19:04):
writing the course, So we're talking about a drone that
is the capabilities of a gas powered fixed drone, but
it's quiet as an electric drone and a quad quad
conture arrangement. It doesn't exist, right, So and the only
people who know about technologies that don't exist is the government,
(19:25):
right in conjunction with the military contractors, the only drone.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I mean, that's a lot of people right there, tattoo.
I I mean, if I realized that military contractors can't
say anything, I get it. But I'm assuming that even
if you're a military contractor, you sometimes you know, have
a beer with some friends or something. I don't know,
I mean, I don't know how tightly they can tie
up those people. I'm just I think the government looks
(19:53):
incompetent here.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
And maybe intentionally. So you what intentionally? I mean, what
what is the.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Advantage, What is the advantage of looking incompetent intentionally? I
don't get that.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Incompetence versus malfeasance. Maybe you've heard of terms like positive denial,
managed democracy, cambergarady, perception management.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I mean, if if if we if we go over
and and we sabotage a Russian oil pipeline, I don't
want to know about it. If if that's in our
interest to to to to hurt Russia's pipeline, and whether
it's our guys or Germans or whoever it is, I
don't need to know about it, do you know what
(20:44):
I'm saying? But I just don't think we need to say, oh, yeah,
we've we've we've blown up that pipeline. But if if
if they have stuff flying over homes and all of that,
and they're they're going to say, well, it's not a threat,
it's not a threat, but we don't really know what
it is. Those statements are inherently inconsistent.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Right, Yeah, So it's to be maybe three things I
actually don't know. Okay, very unlikely they do know, but
they don't want to say and if they know it's
either foreign or domestic, and they would have their reasons
for not disclosing the motivations behind either of those.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well, I'll tell you it's foreign and then and I
don't know. Let me take a break. We got the
news at the bottom of the hour. Folks who like
the join our conversation. I guess is tatsu Akaita. He knows.
He knows a lot more about the technology of this
stuff that I will ever know. Okay, I'm just trying
to point out what I think are pretty obvious that
(21:59):
I don't know. I don't get the game. My question
if someone can explain to me why the government wants
to make themselves look incompetent, I don't know. I've never
known a government wanting to make themselves look incompetent. But
we'll get back to that, and we'll take a quick break.
Nine thirty News coming back on Nightside, Boston's news radio.
(22:25):
All right back to the phones. My guest is tatsu
A Keda, again a journalist, but deep background in technology,
and that's why I've asked him to join us tonight.
Let me go next to one of my best callers,
and that is Steve and Cambridge. Steve, you are next
on nightside, say hell, well to.
Speaker 11 (22:44):
Hi Dantsu Tatsu. You have a background in technology, but
that doesn't necessarily mean you're familiar with drone that drone
drone technology or does it?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
No, I'm familiar I operated drones before. Uh, you know,
not to familiar with the military style drones. I am
familiar with farming style industrial drones. I can tell you
about the power to the size ratio that you need
as you scale up drone. For instance, one fact people
(23:23):
might not know the size and weight of a drone
is exponentially related to its power source. So if you
have a two foot drone and you scale it up
to a four foot drone, you need four times the power.
Speaker 11 (23:37):
And so so I'm getting the impression that the drones
that we're seeing now you have never up until this point,
this is the technology that you have did not know existed.
Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah, that's my impression. It's it's it's almost inconceivable device
of this size and capability exists.
Speaker 11 (24:02):
So either the United States government or foreign government or
an alien has got a drone source. It's so far
it's extremely advanced. What is your speculation if you had
to bet on it. You know, if you were at
Las Vegas, what would be your bets do? What's going
(24:23):
on here?
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I mean it could it could be new power source
that you know, surpasses finally, gas technology, I mean battery
even the latest generation lithium technologies are far less dense
energy wise than gasoleene.
Speaker 11 (24:44):
But why would they be flying them all over the
United States? What would be the purpose of that? Do
you have any would you hazard a guess on that?
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I think you have to look back into history to
get context or what's going on now. And the two
the two communities on Reddit that have been talking very
actively about this is our subreddit, our UFO and our
Aviation and so they have very very very different views.
(25:19):
The aviation community says, oh, these are just planes and
people are making mistakes, and the UFO community is like, no, no, no,
there's there's something definitely going on here. So but if
you look at the way the US government has managed
the UFO information stream over the past, what yeah, right?
(25:46):
They They've always had this deceptive way of denying the
UFO appearances or eyewitness accounts while behind the public's back
studying the phenomenon for themselves.
Speaker 11 (26:00):
Well, my last question to you is Dan has mentioned
this before. Do you think it's too early to panic?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
M hm uh uh to early to panic. I'm a
very even killed guy, so you know, I don't see
any drums of her mind place. So I'm doing okay.
Speaker 11 (26:18):
All right, that's very reassuring. Thanks Tatsu for all the information.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Thanks Dan, appreciate the call. Good night. Let me go
next too, John and Boston jog a redhead.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
Thank Dad, Tattoo. I've got a couple quick questions in
front of mine.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Too, Tattoo. That's John, go ahead.
Speaker 10 (26:37):
Yes, that's why I thought, I said, Tattoo. A friend
of mine showed me some pictures he's former Air Force
on the soft shore, shows a group of fifteen to
twenty drones in the sky. If it wasn't for him,
because I know he's in the Air Force, I wouldn't
have believed it. The question is just a little bit
of reading I've done on it. I know they have
some way of detective frequency because the drones speak to
one another from frequencies and they the jam is to
(27:01):
jam the drones to bring them down. Why I'm they
not using jammers now? Because they have the technology to
do what they use the jam of SUPPOLSI and NFL
stadiums to keep drones away. Why aren't they using jams
to take the drones down to look at them?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
If you because you're an expert on that stuff, right,
I mean, electronic warfare is standard s op. You know,
in the Ukraine War, the Russians use it against Ukrainian
drones and vice versa. In response to that, you might
not know this, they do have fiber optic controlled drones
which are impervious to jammers and electronic warfare technologies. So yeah,
(27:43):
it's really disconcerting the information drops that we have getting
from military sources. You know, the Air Force says, well, gosh,
these things are you can't detect them. They have no
heat signature. It's like how to how you do that?
You know? But there's enough, there's enough visuals.
Speaker 10 (28:04):
Why wouldn't they fly a helicopter drop a net just
to get one of them, just so they could check
it out. That's what's confusing, because they obviously want people
to know they're there and if someone's flying them, so
why not fly a helicopter and drop some kind of
net catch one, just one. All you need is one.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I mean, the logical conclusion is that they don't want
to capture one for whatever reason that they want disclosed, right,
and they want you to know over there, which is weird,
huh right right, So it's a it's a soft disclosure
of sometimes you know, it's it's a show. I mean
(28:41):
Trump that today. You know, the government knows what's happening.
Our military knows where they took off from. If it's
a grash, then go inside. I don't I don't know
if you's me.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I had the Trump I had the Trump sound bite
from today. Tatsuo said, you just mentioned and I'd like
to play it for the audience so they can tell
what you're referring to in which I heard earlier. Rob.
This is cut number twenty two on tonight's cut list,
Cut twenty two President Trump earlier.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
Today, the government, the government knows what is happening. Look,
our military knows where they took off from. If it's
a garage, they can go right into that garage. They
know where it came from and where it went. And
for some reason they don't want to comment, and I
think they'd be better off saying what it is. Our
(29:27):
military knows and our president knows, and for some reason
they want to keep people in suspense. I can't imagine
it's the enemy, because it was the enemy they'd blasted out,
even if they were late, they'd blasted.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Something strange is going on.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
For some reason, they don't want to tell the people,
and they should because the people are really I mean,
they happen to be over Bedminster. We want to know
that they're very they're very close to Bedminster. I think
maybe I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster. I've decided
to cancel my trip.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Received intelligence briefing on the drones.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I don't want to comment on that. That's an interesting
response to the question that he didn't want to comment
on that. That's interesting.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah, telling the silent part out loud, saying mean language.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So yes, yes, yes, yes, all right, John, I appreciate
your call.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Just one.
Speaker 10 (30:21):
But I wonder if if a jet or a plane
ends up crashing because of this, if that'll get enough
attention to that, they'll have to say something and it's
I would take that you have to take it down?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, Well, or what about a smaller plane, is you know,
you know, succeeder or something like that, A private jet.
I mean, who knows. I still don't understand why the
government is intentionally leaving me with the impression and that
they either don't know, which is well again, which is
pretty scary, or that they do know, but they're telling
(30:57):
us at the same time there's nothing to be worried about. Well,
if this's you can't not know and tell me there's
nothing to be worried about. It's as simple as that,
in my in my opinion, Thanks John.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
Maybe they should have the inaugurate inauguration inside then in
so they know.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I don't know, we'll see see Thanks much. All right,
you're gonna get to Terry and Judy, And now my
guest is tatsu Akada. Uh Tatsu certainly is sketching out
a variety of possibilities. At some point I may try
to pin him down in our final segment and say, hey,
if you had to take a wild shot, what would
(31:33):
it be. But we'll take a quick break on nights
Side right after this.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But we heard this weekend there's some drones down over
the Cape. Let's see if Terry from Harwich has spotted
any of those drones down over the Cape Terry arm
with Tatsu Akkada, go right ahead, Hi, Dan's.
Speaker 12 (31:57):
Good to talk to you. Tatsu, nice to meet you.
So I have a couple of very interesting questions for you,
because I do have a lot of information. Number one,
the drones are different in size and I believe capabilities,
but some of them in the last third of the
(32:23):
of the design looks like it has a lounded disc,
and because I'm a novice, I'm going to call it
a satellite dish. Now my question is this, do they
have the capacity to communicate to each other?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
That would make sense that they have. They need the
technology to operate in a swarm like fashion because they
have to do with the positions of all of them. Right,
this solved, So yeah, they need to communicate. How that
How that's done in the scenario, I don't know sure.
Speaker 12 (33:09):
So I'm going to take at another level and say,
let's think that this is fiber optic run. Would it
be possible to run those fiber optics with high powered
electric currents?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Uh biber epical cannot run electrical power sources. They can
they run electrical signals, but ah.
Speaker 12 (33:38):
That's the key. Okay, So think about this for a second.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Sorry, optical signals ahead.
Speaker 12 (33:46):
Perhaps we have a new communications system for people to
buy drugs, to do illegal gambling, et cetera. And I
believe strongly that the government knows exactly what's happening, but
they're learning by they're intercepting the communication between the drones.
(34:13):
How does that sound to you?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Well, I think what you're alluding to in general is
that we're describing a drone that almost defies physics itself.
And you know, there's a reason why we don't have
helicopters the size of a jumbo jet, right, physically impossible.
If that size is that way, you cannot design a
(34:39):
motor that would fit inside the helicopter to give enough
thrust to get it off the ground, right, But they're.
Speaker 12 (34:46):
Not all that size.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You gotta hold on here because I'm gonna let I
got two more. I got to get in as well.
You've asked some really good questions, and I think Tatsu
was giving me some good answers. And if we had
more time, your question is right, and tattoos answers might
solve everything. But I got out the folks. I gotta
grab a minute or so here as well.
Speaker 12 (35:07):
Okay, okay, Dan, thank you.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Thank you, y bye bye. I'm going to Judy and Boston.
Judy your next on nights. I got to get room
for you in one more. Go ahead, Judy, all right.
Speaker 13 (35:19):
So I just I'm actually at works, so I'm going
to be super quick. So in September, Elon Musk commented
about on the tweeted or x or something about drone
war's coming. He has a huge military contract. He's also
involved in the Trump administration. What do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (35:43):
I didn't know that. So he tweeted on.
Speaker 13 (35:47):
September thirtieth or so, like drome War's coming, right, and
he is part of this Doge thing. He has a
huge contract with the military and SpaceX and everything notes.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So so why would the Biden administration keep that that
out of play? I mean, if this Wass's project, why
would they they just not? Why would the Biden administration
protect Elon Musk?
Speaker 13 (36:16):
Why does he care?
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Uh, we got a month left.
Speaker 13 (36:21):
Why does he care? What's he doing at this.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Talking about it? I'm not talking about Joe Biden. I'm
talking about his administration.
Speaker 13 (36:32):
Go ahead, but not even.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Let me get tattoo in here because he's more he's
smarter than I own this stuff. Go ahead, tattoo.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Well about an administration itself, you know, going back to
your themes of incompetence scanning, I think, uh, combined with
sorry your guests opinion of why why not let it
all out of the bag at this point, you know,
(37:03):
either one to be possible to some degree. Uh. You know,
my concern is that the technology, the physics sort of
defies reality in terms of what people are describing the
they're seeing in the skies. And and I'm not sure
Elon Musk is the guy to deliver that kind of technology.
(37:27):
Elon Musk is you know, looked up upon mostly for
his wealth, but I personally don't have a high opinion
of his companies or technology. They strike me as sort
of technologically pedestrian. And except for maybe starlink and is
(37:49):
rocket technology to some degree.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Has been important, that's for sure. Oh, Judy, we'll leave
it hanging out there. We don't have an answer for you,
but I think it's a great question. Thank you so much.
Speaker 13 (38:01):
I mean, he tweeted, I mean he tweeted on September thirty.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Oh no, we got that shorty, I want to get
already told you, I told you I got to be
fear of everybody. So I appreciate. I think you made
it really well. I mean appreciate your call. Thanks, Judy.
Let me go out. I got about a minute for you.
I got jammed on time. You're the last call of
what he got in a minute? Ol?
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Okay, can you get back to me after the commercial?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Did nope? Nope, nope, nope. You got about forty five
seconds out. I'm changing topics of ten twenty five second quickly.
Speaker 10 (38:30):
Nothing seconds there.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Well, I'm going to say that good night. Oult'll call earlier,
al and I give you much more time. I want
to thank my guest Tatsuo a Keda again. I think
it's fascinating. Do you want to take a shot at
what you think it'll eventure one one? Will we eventually
be told this story is not going to go away.
Maybe it'll disappear. You tell me what where do you
(38:53):
think it ends up? A month from now, Tatsuo.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Well, it could be years. The twenty seven team UH
marks the year that the US government changed their policy
internally regarding public disclosure about UFOs, and so you might
be saying some of the same themes here with military technologies.
(39:19):
It's it's probably a military technology, and maybe it's maybe
it's just a signal to to the entire world. You know,
a you know, our our navy fleet is outdated, and
you know our military needs fears your building. But hey,
(39:41):
you know we got you on the ground front.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
That's who I enjoyed it very much. People could follow
you in substack right easy.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
To find Tatsuos newsletter on substack.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Okay, thank you very much, Dad, We'll talk soon. Okay,
thanks to do a great job. Appreciate it. To the calls,
look folks for and I try to save you some
time you call in it whatever it is ten minutes off.
I can't give you twenty minutes of time. We're changing topics.
We're going to talk about the murder of the healthcare
CEO and maybe what caused it. I have two medical
(40:14):
experts coming up that might blow your mind. Stay with
us here on Nightside.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!