December 23, 2024 • 40 mins
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Continued conversation with author Steven Jay Rubin about the James Bond and The Twilight Zone franchise.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's n side with Dan Ray. I'm w BESI cast
in some new video.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Every time I hear this, I just tingle. I don't
know why. I don't worry because I am a huge
James barn fan and this music, a collaboration of John
Berry and Martin Norman, is mint five stars across the board.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yes, Morgan, I'm just gonna say that the gentleman who
played that guitar is a very famous British guitarist named
Vic Flick, who I believe passed away in the last
couple of weeks. So it's that's a nice tribute to him,
that guitar riff. Interestingly, John Barry, the primary composer of
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the James Bond theme, never saw the first James Bond
movie before he composed that. That guitar thing so so crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
He never realized how he nailed it.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
He nailed it, Boy, didn't nail it.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
He did.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He had a little instrumental. He had a little instrumental
called Bee's Knees which also featured a similar type of
guitar riff, which he just adjusted to create.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
The Bond And Interestingly, tonight, I would argue that the
two themes we played James Bond and the Twilight Zone
would probably be the two most recognizable themes on the planet.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Well, when you say Twilight Zone, is it the do
do do?
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Do?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Do do do? Twilight Zone? Yes, let's take a call Marcus,
who's kind enough to hold through the news. Thank you
for your patience, Welcome to Night's Side.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
Yes, thank you, thank you. The Twilight Zone. Yes, I
was a huge fan a long time, and there was
so many different episodes, some that kept you sitting.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
In your chair thrilled and others.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
That had you laughing. And there was an episode with
an older gentleman who had a convenience store and he
had a few other gentlemens with him, and he would
always tell these tall tales that he invented this, invented that.
I think that was one of the most funniest episodes
I've ever seen on The Twilight Zone. And I think
they called this. His name was Frisbee and he was
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abducted by aliens and the aliens wanted to take him
away and he played a harmonica which got him off
the ship because the harmonica was actually affecting him in
a way where it would neutralize it. But that was
the most funniest episode I ever saw in the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And that actor, that actor was the wonderful and and
the divine whose performance was divine.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
Yes, I've seen all the twilets on episodes, but once
I saw that, I never laughed so hard. The the
other ones had me uh biting my nails. I'm like, oh,
my goodness, this is really scary.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And I was very young, and Andyne was all over
the TV landscape in the fifties and sixties. He was
second build in a show called wild Bill Hiccock. He
was in Stagecoach, the classic John Wayne movie, and he
was all over the landscape.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Yes, yes, yes, there was so many different actors and
the actresses that were coming up in the Twilight Zone
or in the Outer Limits thole series. But there was
another episode on Twilight Zone. I forget her name, but
there was another actor. He was very well known where
he was going into space. He had met a woman
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and he was an astronaut, and I guess he was
being put into space for a little time, but he
was frozen in the capsule and he came back in
the aged like thirty years. But she still stayed young.
Everybody else stayed young.
Speaker 8 (04:43):
And he was.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
Going to marry her, but he didn't marry because he
got so old he didn't think he was worthy.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I got their name. That actor was Robert Lansing. The
young lady was Marriette Hartley. The episode I believe was
called The Long Marra The Long Morrow, and it was
one of those ironic episodes.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Most of them are ironic.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
In fact, Rod would say that one of his biggest
influences was the short fiction of All Henry, which always
had a twist at the end, which I thought was wonderful.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
Yes, yes, very very very well at the team. The
uh the actress, she was very beautiful. She was in
so many different shows. And I remember she.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Was the girl in those cute Polaroid commercials with James Garner.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
Yes, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Marion Hartley. Alright, I'm gonna let you go. Gross lines
are fall.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
Yes, thank you again, thank you, thank you for calling.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And I'm at the position where Rob I'm gonna take
my break a little early. If I took a call now,
i'd have to put them on homes for a minute.
So let's take a break. Gary and Marlborough you will
be next. And Michael in Boston. You'll be after Gary.
Whoever takes that open line will be third to speak with.
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Stephen J. Rubin off of many, many books, and we're
focusing on two of them, Twilight Zone and James Bond.
Time here on night Side nine thirteen Temperature twenty five.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World,
Night six Studios on w BZ News Radio.
Speaker 9 (06:58):
Gold.
Speaker 10 (07:04):
He's the man, the man with a mine touch, aspidest touch,
such a cold PingER.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
T you to enter his win love sin.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
She's just gonna tell you don't go in.
Speaker 9 (07:30):
Don't go in.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I knew it. I knew it all right, Rob, you
can find it down. That's the movie, the movie that
brought James Bond's popularity to its zenith. And Stephen J.
Rubin is here. And and Stephen, before I take another
phone call, capsulize the power of James Bond.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
James Bond is the hero of the Free World who
has not changed his spots in sixty plus years. He's
still a human being. Sometimes he has a few too
many gadgets, particularly in the Roger Moore years, but under
Craig Stewardship in the last fifteen years, he was terrific
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although the movies were a little bit up and down,
but Bond is Bond because the quality has always been
pretty terrific. There's always good things to find in a
James Bond film.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Now I've got a tippy toe around this, and Gary
Marlborough be patron. I'll get to you in about a minute.
You and I both know the last film. We have
to tipy toe about what we say. How are they
going to bring up another James Bond with the consideration
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of that movie?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, that's a really good question. I think that
they've been rebooting Bond since nineteen sixty nine, you know,
little George Lazenbee replaced some Sean Connery and then of
the various Bonds. There'll be no problems. They'll just reboot it.
It'll be you know, if you remember the first Daniel
Craig film, Casino Royale, it was like he just got
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his double O seven number. So they played fast and loose.
Every franchise series that has run as long as Bond
and from very few have has to go through changes. Batman, Superman.
I mean they're introducing a new Superman this year, this
coming year. They all have to go through this and
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that's just part of it. But I'm sure they'll they'll
come up smelling like a rose because Bond, like death
and taxes, will always be with us.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, when you mentioned he's super h I like what
they did with the Spider Man movie that had all
three actors in one movie and it made sense within
the plot.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
It was a very nice touch. I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, let's go to mam Borrow and speak to Gary. Gary,
thank you for your patience. Welcome to Night's Side.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Hey, how you doing all right?
Speaker 8 (10:23):
Steven?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I have a question for you. I want to talk
about the Twilight Zone for a second. Was correct me
if I'm wrong? But wasn't there an episode with Sonny Bono?
He portrayed a like a beatnik. He's in a jazz
music that Do you remember that one at all?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It's an episode where he he does something bad and
then he goes to his particular form of hell and
I'm trying to remember the name of it, but it's uh,
you know, actually, you know what you know? I don't
think it was a Twilight its own episode. I think
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it was an episode of the Night Gallery.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Really, you know, because all these years, you know, I'm
in my seventies and all these years I've been thinking
it was Sonny Bono on The Twilight Zone. That's why
I'm calling, because I need verification.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Well, a lot of people misunderstood The Night Gallery because yes,
rud Serling hosted it, but had little to do with
the plots and the writing and the concept of that series.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
No, it was It was a Jack Laird series, and
he had rod. It was simply a hired gun. He
wrote a few episodes which are terrific, and he hosted
and those evocative openings were terrific. But the quality of
the of the Night Gallery was really up and down.
There were there were a lot of shows that were clunkers.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And the Sonny Bono episode you're thinking of could have
been from the and from Uncle. We're both he and
share We're in that episode.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I'm pretty sure, pretty sure?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, Okay, Needles and Pins was the man from Uncle
episode the Needles and Pins affair. All right, Gary, I
guess that's it. Thank you, Gary, Good night, Happy holidays,
Happy holidays. Let's go to Boston and speak to Michael. Michael.
(12:31):
Welcome Tonight's sorry, thank you, good evening.
Speaker 11 (12:36):
No one ever talks about money.
Speaker 12 (12:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (12:38):
You do a lot of interviews Morgan, celebrities and so forth,
and no one ever mentioned the money. Uh, it's not
the right thing to do. I would never say to Morgan,
what's his paycheck? I mean, he's ut of my damn business.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Of course, monopoly money.
Speaker 11 (12:58):
We're going to believe that we're going back sixty years
and these celebrities are no longer with us, unfortunately. But
I'd like to ask the gentleman that has written the
literature of what did it cost to produce an episode
of the Twilight Zone back in the sixties. What was
Rod Serling's take? What did he get for writing a
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script and the hosting jors? And what did a star
you've mentioned dozens of them tonight get. I imagine it
was a set amount for doing a Twilight Zone anybody.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
His name is Stephen J. Rubin, remember that name, And
after your call, we're gonna let everyone know what company
puts his books out. But Steven, do you have answers
to any of those questions?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Well, let's start with the actress first, because I was
very fortunate to collaborate with Rod Sterling's widow, Carol, the
late Carol Serling, now and she opened the files to me.
I saw all the contracts for what the actors made
top of show. For the lead actor in a twilight
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Zone in those days from fifty nine to sixty four
was five thousand dollars. That's all they made for a
leading role. So Jack Klugman in a game of Pool,
he's making five thousand, you know, Cliff Robertson in the
in the Dummy, he's making five thousand. Writing wise, you know,
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back at those days, I don't have the figures for
writing right in front of me, but a few thousand
dollars was what they got for those scripts. And Rod
also took some extra money for doing the ads. And
that was a lot of the reason that Rod did,
as he wanted to make some extra money because he
wasn't getting rich off of his screenwriting fees. Although he
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did own the show. He's owned the show with CBS,
so he was able to make a chunk of money
later on, but nothing like the money we would think
of today now.
Speaker 11 (15:01):
Was that ownership Cayuga Productions.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Was that his Yeah, his company was Cayuga you know
the the he split the proceeds with CPS. And then
I guess because he wanted to take the money and run.
When he had an opportunity to sell his share of
the series later on, he sold it for some very
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modest figure, something like two hundred and fifty thousand or
something like that. Show that today would be worth millions.
Speaker 11 (15:34):
Oh, mister Irvin. Were there residuals then.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
That's another very good question. There were no residuals then,
although during the strikes of nineteen sixty I believe they
started to talk about residuals. I think maybe for the
last couple of seasons there may have been some residuals,
but that was back in the fifties. There were no
visuals as far as I know, I might be wrong.
Speaker 11 (16:03):
And do you know what an entire episode would cost
in those days?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
In those days twice episode twiletsone episode was made for
about a quarter million dollars, a little bit up up
for the locations, a little bit below that for some
of the ones that are shot on the lot, but
they were very inex expensive compared to other shows. The
thing though about The Twilight Zone also, which was an anthology,
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is they had to get new actors each week, so
whereas the actors in a regular show would probably be
asking for raises every season or so that didn't have
a that There was no problem like that on the
Twilight Zone because we had a new past each week.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Sure, all right, Michael, you're all say thank you, thank you,
thank you havingday. And before I take my button with
the hour break, I'm going to go off script with you.
Rod Serling also had a Western that starred Lloyd Bridges,
The Loaner. Tell me about The Loaner if.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
You can, well, all I can tell you is that Rod,
being the innovative type writer, wanted to do a Western
series that was not about violence. The Loaner was a
guy who did not solve all of his problems with guns,
and hence the show completely bombed. I think when people
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tune in westerns they want the gun play.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
In those days, because I think that was what the
sixty three sixty four TV season. And with Lloyd Bridges
the lead, you had a major actor. And Lloyd Bridges
had just come off the success of Sea Hunt right,
a long running series, and he's playing a character. I
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think the character's name was Colton Will Colton, and he's
a loneery he wanders like most westerns in those days.
Your hero was nomadic, wandered from town to town to
town to town. But I don't think I can remember
more than one or two episodes where he even drew
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his gun, right, which is what what most people watched
for back from the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Morgan, It's like when I worked on a three D
three D movie in the eighties called Space Hunter Adventures
in the Forbidden Zone with Peter Strauss and Molly Ringwolds.
The filmmakers wanted to do subtle three D. They didn't
want to poke your eyes out every two minutes. And
that was a problem because if people put on those
stupid glasses, they want to have something coming at them
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every two minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
They wanted like they had seen it in you know,
a three Stooges short film, fifties movies, six, these movies,
and they wanted to be smacked in the face with
the pie basically, and you didn't do that. How was
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it working with Molly Ringwald? Have fun?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Two years later, I was assigned to do the publicity
on Pretty and Pink. Oh Okay, b Ye had grown
up considerably. She was actually a very nice kid. I
liked her all right.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, let me take my bottom of the hour, break
open lines. You can talk about Bond, any aspect of
a Bond movie or Twilight Zone, as we've done for
her ninety minutes. Here a night side six one, seven, two, five,
four teen, thirty eight, eight, eight, nine, two, nine, ten, thirty, time,
nine thirty twenty five degrees.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
With Dan Ray on w B Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Nobody does said makes me feel sad for.
Speaker 10 (20:18):
Nobody does it?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Hey, that's gonnass you babebyon the I wasn't looking. What's
somehow you found?
Speaker 11 (20:37):
All right?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Rob, you can fade it down. Carly Simon doing the
Spy Who Loved Me? Theme song? Steven, do you ever
just play a Bond song or put in a Bond
movie just for the heck of it?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
All the time. We've been celebrating Goldfinger all week. It's
on my podcast starting Monday. I interviewed Graham Raye, who's
the editor of Double seven magazine, a very respected periodical.
But Goldfinger turned sixty years old this holiday, so we're
celebrating a series that this is one of its milestones,
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sixty years since, as you point out the height of
Bond fever.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Let me ask this and then I'll I'll take Ted
and Millis to be pature for another minute. Sean Conry
is number one across the board, no doubt every Bond
fan would put him as number one, rate two, three,
four and five for me of the men that have
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played James Bond.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Well, first of all, the only thing I would disagree
with you is not every Bond fan considers Don the best.
Because if you're younger and you did not grow up
with Sean, you have your personal favorites axiomatic that if
you grew up with a Bond, he you're Bond. So
you'd be surprised how many people tell me that Roger
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Moore is their favorite Bond, or Pierce Brock their favorite Bond. Yeah,
but in terms of the Bond, you gotta start with,
at least from my perment point of view, you start
with Connery. Then you go to Daniel Craig, who I
thought was really terrific. Yes, I still to this day,
even though he did one James Bond movie. George Lazenbee's
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On Your Matthew Secret Service is a terrific James Bond movie.
So he's my three Brosnan is four, Roger is fifth,
and Dalton is sick.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I happen to be looking at I've got all kinds
of things up on the room from where he broadcast
and broadcast in my home. If you didn't know that.
And there's Roger Moore. Maybe you've seen this photo because
it was a standard photo leaning over one of the
chairs that they put for the actors to sit at
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while other scenes are being filmed. And there he is
right there over the light switch. And I would have
had him second to Sean during the years of Roger Moore,
but as the other Bond films were released, I moved
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him further down on the list for each one I too.
I liked Daniel Craig a lot, but I put him third,
after Pierce Brosnan, who I liked a lot, and then
Timothy Dalton, then Roger Moore, and then Lazenbie. Those are
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mine in my order. So let's go back to the
phone calls, full lines people, by the way, you know
the numbers dum as you hear me saying goodbye to
a call. But right now with toload to Ted, Ted
and millis good evening, Ted, welcome to night side, Oh.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Good evening, thank you.
Speaker 13 (24:15):
I just had a question, which is I wanted to
hear what you thought about the movie The Rock, which
is sort of, I don't know if you're aware, sort
of an unofficial The rumor has always been that it
was James Bond's last hurrah as a retired James Bond,
kind of coming out of retirements.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
For I.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
See why you lean that way, but I think the
better image of Sean Connery doing barndish things would be
the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Stephen, how do you feel?
Speaker 11 (24:55):
I agree? Yeah, good, I.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Agree with you. You know, God, I miss Sean. I
miss missed the the just the machismo, the ty, testosterone,
A man's man. It's funny. I was watching a movie
on the Criterion Channel the other day I'm not quite
just to called hell Drivers. It's about these truck drivers
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in London, are outside London who delivered They delivered cement
or rocks every day at insane speeds. And Sean is
practically a background type player, but still very good. This
is nineteen fifty seven, so this is five years before
he got the Doctor. No roll, but Sean was always
you know, The Rock is it could be it could
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be kind of a James Bond coming out of retirement moment.
It's interesting too.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Much, Nicholas, Well, just too much.
Speaker 13 (25:58):
There is a reference to the beginning of the Rock
that says the character that that Sean played was former sas.
So that's why I think that's how the rumor kind
of going.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yes, they alluded to what could have been Bond's early years.
They alluded to that, and I see where some people
might have had high hopes for that. But the League
of Extraordinary Gentlemen that is as bond as you can get,
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with John Connery and not being called double oh seven.
Speaker 13 (26:35):
Yeah, I love them in the Untouchables as well.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Oh yes, that's the Chicago way.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Whoever takes this line most likely will be the last
call that we will take, because we still have another
break coming a couple of commercials into the calls. So
you take that line, We'll do the best we can
to get you on. Let's go to Lowell and speak
to Dennis. Dennis, welcome to Night's side.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Oh, thank you very much. Good evening, gentlemen. I've been
a Bond, saying well, I always think of Bond, James
Bond from Doctor No. I've been a sand since then.
I was a teenager and I saw Goldfinger. I was
completely captured by James Bond. I went to see a
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Goldfinger with my mother.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I'll top that. I went to see not just Goldfinger,
but after the popularity was surprising everybody. They re released
as a doubleheader Doctor No from Rechwood Love, and I
saw them Doctor No from Ruchwood Love and then separately
Goldfinger with my grandmother.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
So there, you've doubled you doubled me. Thinking of their songs,
the song Goldfinger, Hilly Bassy, I mean that's number one,
and you also played and nobody does it better. Collie
Simon from The Spy Love Me is very good. But
I always liked to Live and Let Die, you know.
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I thought that was good.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
With Wings, yes, and also a Skyfall Adele didn't do
too badly with Skyfall.
Speaker 11 (28:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
And I actually liked the latest one by Billie Eilish
for No Time. He did a nice job as well.
They've always had terrific musicians involved in the series.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Oh yeah, all right, And I'm gonna ask Steven this
and maybe you two Dennis. When Living the Tie gets
rerun a lot of times, they've removed the Paul McCartney music.
Can you speak to that are Are you aware of that?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
That's news to me, Morgan.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Okay, A lot of times they've reved. I thought it
was for an example throughout the world of TV that
happens periodically. I'll give you a stupid example, the TV
show Kimber the White Lion. I loved that show when
I was a kid. They removed the theme, the lyrics
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and put in something instrumental. So I'm guessing it costs
you less to acquire the film that you're going to
be showing on your station than it would if it
were complete with the theme as we heard it originally.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I'm guessing I'm actually surprised, because you know, there are
shows they don't run on TV because the music has
not been cleared. But I would highly doubt that Bond
Bond is so so ubiquitous on television. It's always on
a channel somewhere. I would be very surprised.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
All right, Dennis, was there anything else?
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Just finish up? I was shocked when I saw a
poorly eaton with painted and gold. That was shocking.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I thought you was a gosh down attractive woman.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Oh yeah, truly.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Attractive woman, and I put her in the upper echelon
of Bond Women.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Oh yeah right, Dennis, Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Dennis, I'm gonna let you go, have to take a break.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Yeah, take you all right, and.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Time and temperature nine five twenty five degrees.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
You leave twice.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
Also scene.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
One Life for Yourself and One.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
For your Dream.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
A little bit of Nancy Sinatra there singing you Only
Live twice. My favorite Bond movie. The plot, the sets,
the action, everything about it puts my favorite Bond movie
at the top of the list. You want to live twice?
Stephen J. Rubin is here, and Stephen, before we take
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another call, it'll be JJ and Maine. Tell everybody the
publisher of your books and how they can get their
hands on them.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
The best way to get my books, the Twilight Zone
Encyclopedia and the James Bond Movie Encyclopedia is through Amazon.
They're both published by Chicago Review Press, and Amazon is
the best place to pick those up.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Perfect JJ, you're calling from Maine. Happy holidays and welcome
to Night's Side.
Speaker 12 (32:33):
Thank you very much. We've got most no up here
than you do shows.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
So did we? So did we?
Speaker 12 (32:41):
Yeah? Hey, James Vond and Doctor Know in nineteen sixty
three in Navy boot camp. And I couldn't believe that
they would show a bunch of young Navy recruits that movie.
We were going to the roof.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Well, I hope it didn't inspire any of you to
behave in a naughty way.
Speaker 12 (33:08):
No, not at all, not at all. And I don't
think James One was kind of new then, I don't.
We never knew. I think it was. I never heard
of James one. It's kind of new.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
That was the first year.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, the first two James Bond movies were released without
without a lot of fanfare. It was not Goldfinger. Goldfinger.
They blew out the marketing budget.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
So they could.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
But Doctor Though I didn't see the first two James
Bond movies. My mother came home, havn't seen from Russia Love,
and she said she couldn't explain the plot. It was
just so wild. And then of course we all went
to see Goldfinger in sixty four. But it's funny, you
know the scene in Doctor No where Ursula Andres comes
out of the water in that bikini.
Speaker 12 (33:55):
I tell you what you were talking about.
Speaker 13 (33:58):
That Joy.
Speaker 12 (34:01):
There were two hundred recruits in this indoor Joe's Hall,
and they were showing the movie there when when that happened.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
Oh, the only thing I can compare it to from
even back in the day before Barne was the scene
with Rita Hayworth and.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Gilda where she just shook her hair, snapped her head up,
and that right was equal to Ursula Andrews coming out
of the ocean.
Speaker 11 (34:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (34:36):
Hey, you know, I just saw a little video on
Facebook and barn one liners. There was about twenty minutes
one liners from him and one liners from Double O seven.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Was pretty good.
Speaker 12 (34:47):
It was a lot of funny one liners. You didn't realize.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
My favorite M one liner is where Barne had his
watch fixed by Q and Like and he activated the
magnet to take the spoon off the saucer and cup
of tea that M was drinking. And Bond said, well,
(35:12):
Q wired this. It's a magnet and allegedly it has
the power to deflect the bullet at the right distance.
And M said, I am so tempted to test that
theory right now.
Speaker 12 (35:30):
The whole thing, you know, the name and the name's
Double seven M and the you know, it's just like
adults adult man's comic or something. You know, yeah, it was,
it was.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I gotta get two more people on. Thank you for
the call. Happy holidays. Let's go to Robert and Wellesley.
Speaker 11 (35:51):
Robert, Hello, Oh, good evening. Good and good evening to
your guests, mister Stephen J. Rubin and great show. I'd
like to I'd like to agree with your guests. Higher
ranking for George Rosenby and and Ausco Roger Moore. And
I happened to hear an anecdote top by one of
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the Bond ladies, Carolyn Monroe, who spoke highly of Roger
Moore as a as an actor, and thank you for
mentioning the other Bond girls like Shirley Eaton Morgan. I
certainly agree with your she deserves a high ranking among
Bond women. And and Ursula Andrews. That's a that's a
great scene. And and I liked your previous caller had
(36:36):
some great comments. And I think that it sounds like
the movie he saw was typical some shipboard uh movies
shown on board Navy ships.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Well, you know Carolyn Monroe, so I'm not mistaken. Her
name was Naomi and she worked for Kurt Jurgen's in
the spy who loved me, and she flew that helicopter
and she was very sexy and usually taller women have
(37:10):
a natural sexuality about them, which she did. But she
would not surpass Shirley Eaton in my book, she was.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
She has that great moment where she's machine gunning or
trying a machine gun Roger and the Lotus, and she
sat them. It's a very sexy.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Wink, very very all right, Robert, I get one more
call to take. Thank you for taking the time to call.
Happy holidays. There goes Robert and sharing You're lucky, you
are lucky. I saved time for you.
Speaker 14 (37:44):
Oh well, thank you very much this evening. Merry Christmas,
Happy holidays to everybody out there. I just have to
make one point, and that is I want to talk
really quickly about On Her Majesty's Secret Service, in my opinion,
one of the underrated James Bond movies ever. I thought,
(38:06):
I mean, for someone that didn't had hardly any acting experience,
he didn't do a bad job all storyline.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Off, I'll cut you off right there. He had zero
acting experience. He lied his way into the interview, he
lied his way into addition, and I still today maintained that,
considering he had almost virtually never been on camera other
than doing a chocolate ad in the in London, he
(38:37):
was very comfortable in that role and very natural as Bond.
I kind of wish he had stayed with it. Yeah,
I agree.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Agree. Let me give you my problem with that movie.
You sullied the image of James Bond by having him
while he's waiting to break into that doctor's office to
get the paperwork to find all about blow film, blah
blah blah blah, he flips through a Playboy. He flips
(39:06):
through Playboy magazine and pulls out the centerfold. This is
James Bond, who could have any woman in the world, real,
a live woman, and he's taking out the centerfold of
Playboy to I guess, let it inspire him at a
later date. Wrong.
Speaker 14 (39:28):
I think that was the only James Bond movie where
Playboy was actually in. I believe.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
All I can say to that whole all I can
say that whole thing is that this never happened to
the other fellow.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, there you go, Sean. I gotta say goodbye because
i'mount of time. Happy holiday, Sean, Thank you, goodbye, Steven,
thank you, thank you, Thank you, and we could do
this for five hours. You and I both know that,
and I will have you back in twenty twenty five. Okay.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
He always a pleasure for Morgan. We always have fun
with our favorite stuff. And thanks to all the listeners,
and happy holidays everybody. Stay safe out there and keep
loving the Twilight Zone which is coming up in Marathon
over news as always, and keep loving Bond.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Thank you, Steven. Happy holidays to you and family. All right, everybody,
all I have to do is say who's for the
next two hours. Mel Simon's here on BZ time nine
fifty eight twenty five degrees
It's n side with Dan Ray. I'm w BESI cast
in some new video.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Every time I hear this, I just tingle. I don't
know why. I don't worry because I am a huge
James barn fan and this music, a collaboration of John
Berry and Martin Norman, is mint five stars across the board.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yes, Morgan, I'm just gonna say that the gentleman who
played that guitar is a very famous British guitarist named
Vic Flick, who I believe passed away in the last
couple of weeks. So it's that's a nice tribute to him,
that guitar riff. Interestingly, John Barry, the primary composer of
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the James Bond theme, never saw the first James Bond
movie before he composed that. That guitar thing so so crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
He never realized how he nailed it.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
He nailed it, Boy, didn't nail it.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
He did.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He had a little instrumental. He had a little instrumental
called Bee's Knees which also featured a similar type of
guitar riff, which he just adjusted to create.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
The Bond And Interestingly, tonight, I would argue that the
two themes we played James Bond and the Twilight Zone
would probably be the two most recognizable themes on the planet.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Well, when you say Twilight Zone, is it the do
do do?
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Do?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Do do do? Twilight Zone? Yes, let's take a call Marcus,
who's kind enough to hold through the news. Thank you
for your patience, Welcome to Night's Side.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
Yes, thank you, thank you. The Twilight Zone. Yes, I
was a huge fan a long time, and there was
so many different episodes, some that kept you sitting.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
In your chair thrilled and others.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
That had you laughing. And there was an episode with
an older gentleman who had a convenience store and he
had a few other gentlemens with him, and he would
always tell these tall tales that he invented this, invented that.
I think that was one of the most funniest episodes
I've ever seen on The Twilight Zone. And I think
they called this. His name was Frisbee and he was
(03:02):
abducted by aliens and the aliens wanted to take him
away and he played a harmonica which got him off
the ship because the harmonica was actually affecting him in
a way where it would neutralize it. But that was
the most funniest episode I ever saw in the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And that actor, that actor was the wonderful and and
the divine whose performance was divine.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
Yes, I've seen all the twilets on episodes, but once
I saw that, I never laughed so hard. The the
other ones had me uh biting my nails. I'm like, oh,
my goodness, this is really scary.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And I was very young, and Andyne was all over
the TV landscape in the fifties and sixties. He was
second build in a show called wild Bill Hiccock. He
was in Stagecoach, the classic John Wayne movie, and he
was all over the landscape.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Yes, yes, yes, there was so many different actors and
the actresses that were coming up in the Twilight Zone
or in the Outer Limits thole series. But there was
another episode on Twilight Zone. I forget her name, but
there was another actor. He was very well known where
he was going into space. He had met a woman
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and he was an astronaut, and I guess he was
being put into space for a little time, but he
was frozen in the capsule and he came back in
the aged like thirty years. But she still stayed young.
Everybody else stayed young.
Speaker 8 (04:43):
And he was.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
Going to marry her, but he didn't marry because he
got so old he didn't think he was worthy.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I got their name. That actor was Robert Lansing. The
young lady was Marriette Hartley. The episode I believe was
called The Long Marra The Long Morrow, and it was
one of those ironic episodes.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Most of them are ironic.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
In fact, Rod would say that one of his biggest
influences was the short fiction of All Henry, which always
had a twist at the end, which I thought was wonderful.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
Yes, yes, very very very well at the team. The
uh the actress, she was very beautiful. She was in
so many different shows. And I remember she.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Was the girl in those cute Polaroid commercials with James Garner.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
Yes, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Marion Hartley. Alright, I'm gonna let you go. Gross lines
are fall.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
Yes, thank you again, thank you, thank you for calling.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And I'm at the position where Rob I'm gonna take
my break a little early. If I took a call now,
i'd have to put them on homes for a minute.
So let's take a break. Gary and Marlborough you will
be next. And Michael in Boston. You'll be after Gary.
Whoever takes that open line will be third to speak with.
(06:16):
Stephen J. Rubin off of many, many books, and we're
focusing on two of them, Twilight Zone and James Bond.
Time here on night Side nine thirteen Temperature twenty five.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World,
Night six Studios on w BZ News Radio.
Speaker 9 (06:58):
Gold.
Speaker 10 (07:04):
He's the man, the man with a mine touch, aspidest touch,
such a cold PingER.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
T you to enter his win love sin.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
She's just gonna tell you don't go in.
Speaker 9 (07:30):
Don't go in.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I knew it. I knew it all right, Rob, you
can find it down. That's the movie, the movie that
brought James Bond's popularity to its zenith. And Stephen J.
Rubin is here. And and Stephen, before I take another
phone call, capsulize the power of James Bond.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
James Bond is the hero of the Free World who
has not changed his spots in sixty plus years. He's
still a human being. Sometimes he has a few too
many gadgets, particularly in the Roger Moore years, but under
Craig Stewardship in the last fifteen years, he was terrific
(08:21):
although the movies were a little bit up and down,
but Bond is Bond because the quality has always been
pretty terrific. There's always good things to find in a
James Bond film.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Now I've got a tippy toe around this, and Gary
Marlborough be patron. I'll get to you in about a minute.
You and I both know the last film. We have
to tipy toe about what we say. How are they
going to bring up another James Bond with the consideration
(08:58):
of that movie?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, that's a really good question. I think that
they've been rebooting Bond since nineteen sixty nine, you know,
little George Lazenbee replaced some Sean Connery and then of
the various Bonds. There'll be no problems. They'll just reboot it.
It'll be you know, if you remember the first Daniel
Craig film, Casino Royale, it was like he just got
(09:25):
his double O seven number. So they played fast and loose.
Every franchise series that has run as long as Bond
and from very few have has to go through changes. Batman, Superman.
I mean they're introducing a new Superman this year, this
coming year. They all have to go through this and
(09:48):
that's just part of it. But I'm sure they'll they'll
come up smelling like a rose because Bond, like death
and taxes, will always be with us.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, when you mentioned he's super h I like what
they did with the Spider Man movie that had all
three actors in one movie and it made sense within
the plot.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
It was a very nice touch. I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, let's go to mam Borrow and speak to Gary. Gary,
thank you for your patience. Welcome to Night's Side.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Hey, how you doing all right?
Speaker 8 (10:23):
Steven?
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I have a question for you. I want to talk
about the Twilight Zone for a second. Was correct me
if I'm wrong? But wasn't there an episode with Sonny Bono?
He portrayed a like a beatnik. He's in a jazz
music that Do you remember that one at all?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It's an episode where he he does something bad and
then he goes to his particular form of hell and
I'm trying to remember the name of it, but it's uh,
you know, actually, you know what you know? I don't
think it was a Twilight its own episode. I think
(11:01):
it was an episode of the Night Gallery.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Really, you know, because all these years, you know, I'm
in my seventies and all these years I've been thinking
it was Sonny Bono on The Twilight Zone. That's why
I'm calling, because I need verification.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Well, a lot of people misunderstood The Night Gallery because yes,
rud Serling hosted it, but had little to do with
the plots and the writing and the concept of that series.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
No, it was It was a Jack Laird series, and
he had rod. It was simply a hired gun. He
wrote a few episodes which are terrific, and he hosted
and those evocative openings were terrific. But the quality of
the of the Night Gallery was really up and down.
There were there were a lot of shows that were clunkers.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
And the Sonny Bono episode you're thinking of could have
been from the and from Uncle. We're both he and
share We're in that episode.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I'm pretty sure, pretty sure?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, Okay, Needles and Pins was the man from Uncle
episode the Needles and Pins affair. All right, Gary, I
guess that's it. Thank you, Gary, Good night, Happy holidays,
Happy holidays. Let's go to Boston and speak to Michael. Michael.
(12:31):
Welcome Tonight's sorry, thank you, good evening.
Speaker 11 (12:36):
No one ever talks about money.
Speaker 12 (12:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (12:38):
You do a lot of interviews Morgan, celebrities and so forth,
and no one ever mentioned the money. Uh, it's not
the right thing to do. I would never say to Morgan,
what's his paycheck? I mean, he's ut of my damn business.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Of course, monopoly money.
Speaker 11 (12:58):
We're going to believe that we're going back sixty years
and these celebrities are no longer with us, unfortunately. But
I'd like to ask the gentleman that has written the
literature of what did it cost to produce an episode
of the Twilight Zone back in the sixties. What was
Rod Serling's take? What did he get for writing a
(13:20):
script and the hosting jors? And what did a star
you've mentioned dozens of them tonight get. I imagine it
was a set amount for doing a Twilight Zone anybody.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
His name is Stephen J. Rubin, remember that name, And
after your call, we're gonna let everyone know what company
puts his books out. But Steven, do you have answers
to any of those questions?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Well, let's start with the actress first, because I was
very fortunate to collaborate with Rod Sterling's widow, Carol, the
late Carol Serling, now and she opened the files to me.
I saw all the contracts for what the actors made
top of show. For the lead actor in a twilight
(14:06):
Zone in those days from fifty nine to sixty four
was five thousand dollars. That's all they made for a
leading role. So Jack Klugman in a game of Pool,
he's making five thousand, you know, Cliff Robertson in the
in the Dummy, he's making five thousand. Writing wise, you know,
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back at those days, I don't have the figures for
writing right in front of me, but a few thousand
dollars was what they got for those scripts. And Rod
also took some extra money for doing the ads. And
that was a lot of the reason that Rod did,
as he wanted to make some extra money because he
wasn't getting rich off of his screenwriting fees. Although he
(14:49):
did own the show. He's owned the show with CBS,
so he was able to make a chunk of money
later on, but nothing like the money we would think
of today now.
Speaker 11 (15:01):
Was that ownership Cayuga Productions.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Was that his Yeah, his company was Cayuga you know
the the he split the proceeds with CPS. And then
I guess because he wanted to take the money and run.
When he had an opportunity to sell his share of
the series later on, he sold it for some very
(15:26):
modest figure, something like two hundred and fifty thousand or
something like that. Show that today would be worth millions.
Speaker 11 (15:34):
Oh, mister Irvin. Were there residuals then.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
That's another very good question. There were no residuals then,
although during the strikes of nineteen sixty I believe they
started to talk about residuals. I think maybe for the
last couple of seasons there may have been some residuals,
but that was back in the fifties. There were no
visuals as far as I know, I might be wrong.
Speaker 11 (16:03):
And do you know what an entire episode would cost
in those days?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
In those days twice episode twiletsone episode was made for
about a quarter million dollars, a little bit up up
for the locations, a little bit below that for some
of the ones that are shot on the lot, but
they were very inex expensive compared to other shows. The
thing though about The Twilight Zone also, which was an anthology,
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is they had to get new actors each week, so
whereas the actors in a regular show would probably be
asking for raises every season or so that didn't have
a that There was no problem like that on the
Twilight Zone because we had a new past each week.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Sure, all right, Michael, you're all say thank you, thank you,
thank you havingday. And before I take my button with
the hour break, I'm going to go off script with you.
Rod Serling also had a Western that starred Lloyd Bridges,
The Loaner. Tell me about The Loaner if.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
You can, well, all I can tell you is that Rod,
being the innovative type writer, wanted to do a Western
series that was not about violence. The Loaner was a
guy who did not solve all of his problems with guns,
and hence the show completely bombed. I think when people
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tune in westerns they want the gun play.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
In those days, because I think that was what the
sixty three sixty four TV season. And with Lloyd Bridges
the lead, you had a major actor. And Lloyd Bridges
had just come off the success of Sea Hunt right,
a long running series, and he's playing a character. I
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think the character's name was Colton Will Colton, and he's
a loneery he wanders like most westerns in those days.
Your hero was nomadic, wandered from town to town to
town to town. But I don't think I can remember
more than one or two episodes where he even drew
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his gun, right, which is what what most people watched
for back from the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Morgan, It's like when I worked on a three D
three D movie in the eighties called Space Hunter Adventures
in the Forbidden Zone with Peter Strauss and Molly Ringwolds.
The filmmakers wanted to do subtle three D. They didn't
want to poke your eyes out every two minutes. And
that was a problem because if people put on those
stupid glasses, they want to have something coming at them
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every two minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
They wanted like they had seen it in you know,
a three Stooges short film, fifties movies, six, these movies,
and they wanted to be smacked in the face with
the pie basically, and you didn't do that. How was
(19:11):
it working with Molly Ringwald? Have fun?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Two years later, I was assigned to do the publicity
on Pretty and Pink. Oh Okay, b Ye had grown
up considerably. She was actually a very nice kid. I
liked her all right.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Well, let me take my bottom of the hour, break
open lines. You can talk about Bond, any aspect of
a Bond movie or Twilight Zone, as we've done for
her ninety minutes. Here a night side six one, seven, two, five,
four teen, thirty eight, eight, eight, nine, two, nine, ten, thirty, time,
nine thirty twenty five degrees.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
With Dan Ray on w B Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Nobody does said makes me feel sad for.
Speaker 10 (20:18):
Nobody does it?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Hey, that's gonnass you babebyon the I wasn't looking. What's
somehow you found?
Speaker 11 (20:37):
All right?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Rob, you can fade it down. Carly Simon doing the
Spy Who Loved Me? Theme song? Steven, do you ever
just play a Bond song or put in a Bond
movie just for the heck of it?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
All the time. We've been celebrating Goldfinger all week. It's
on my podcast starting Monday. I interviewed Graham Raye, who's
the editor of Double seven magazine, a very respected periodical.
But Goldfinger turned sixty years old this holiday, so we're
celebrating a series that this is one of its milestones,
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sixty years since, as you point out the height of
Bond fever.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Let me ask this and then I'll I'll take Ted
and Millis to be pature for another minute. Sean Conry
is number one across the board, no doubt every Bond
fan would put him as number one, rate two, three,
four and five for me of the men that have
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played James Bond.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Well, first of all, the only thing I would disagree
with you is not every Bond fan considers Don the best.
Because if you're younger and you did not grow up
with Sean, you have your personal favorites axiomatic that if
you grew up with a Bond, he you're Bond. So
you'd be surprised how many people tell me that Roger
(22:08):
Moore is their favorite Bond, or Pierce Brock their favorite Bond. Yeah,
but in terms of the Bond, you gotta start with,
at least from my perment point of view, you start
with Connery. Then you go to Daniel Craig, who I
thought was really terrific. Yes, I still to this day,
even though he did one James Bond movie. George Lazenbee's
(22:32):
On Your Matthew Secret Service is a terrific James Bond movie.
So he's my three Brosnan is four, Roger is fifth,
and Dalton is sick.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I happen to be looking at I've got all kinds
of things up on the room from where he broadcast
and broadcast in my home. If you didn't know that.
And there's Roger Moore. Maybe you've seen this photo because
it was a standard photo leaning over one of the
chairs that they put for the actors to sit at
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while other scenes are being filmed. And there he is
right there over the light switch. And I would have
had him second to Sean during the years of Roger Moore,
but as the other Bond films were released, I moved
(23:28):
him further down on the list for each one I too.
I liked Daniel Craig a lot, but I put him third,
after Pierce Brosnan, who I liked a lot, and then
Timothy Dalton, then Roger Moore, and then Lazenbie. Those are
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mine in my order. So let's go back to the
phone calls, full lines people, by the way, you know
the numbers dum as you hear me saying goodbye to
a call. But right now with toload to Ted, Ted
and millis good evening, Ted, welcome to night side, Oh.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Good evening, thank you.
Speaker 13 (24:15):
I just had a question, which is I wanted to
hear what you thought about the movie The Rock, which
is sort of, I don't know if you're aware, sort
of an unofficial The rumor has always been that it
was James Bond's last hurrah as a retired James Bond,
kind of coming out of retirements.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
For I.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
See why you lean that way, but I think the
better image of Sean Connery doing barndish things would be
the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Stephen, how do you feel?
Speaker 11 (24:55):
I agree? Yeah, good, I.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Agree with you. You know, God, I miss Sean. I
miss missed the the just the machismo, the ty, testosterone,
A man's man. It's funny. I was watching a movie
on the Criterion Channel the other day I'm not quite
just to called hell Drivers. It's about these truck drivers
(25:23):
in London, are outside London who delivered They delivered cement
or rocks every day at insane speeds. And Sean is
practically a background type player, but still very good. This
is nineteen fifty seven, so this is five years before
he got the Doctor. No roll, but Sean was always
you know, The Rock is it could be it could
(25:45):
be kind of a James Bond coming out of retirement moment.
It's interesting too.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Much, Nicholas, Well, just too much.
Speaker 13 (25:58):
There is a reference to the beginning of the Rock
that says the character that that Sean played was former sas.
So that's why I think that's how the rumor kind
of going.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yes, they alluded to what could have been Bond's early years.
They alluded to that, and I see where some people
might have had high hopes for that. But the League
of Extraordinary Gentlemen that is as bond as you can get,
(26:30):
with John Connery and not being called double oh seven.
Speaker 13 (26:35):
Yeah, I love them in the Untouchables as well.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Oh yes, that's the Chicago way.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Whoever takes this line most likely will be the last
call that we will take, because we still have another
break coming a couple of commercials into the calls. So
you take that line, We'll do the best we can
to get you on. Let's go to Lowell and speak
to Dennis. Dennis, welcome to Night's side.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Oh, thank you very much. Good evening, gentlemen. I've been
a Bond, saying well, I always think of Bond, James
Bond from Doctor No. I've been a sand since then.
I was a teenager and I saw Goldfinger. I was
completely captured by James Bond. I went to see a
(27:31):
Goldfinger with my mother.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I'll top that. I went to see not just Goldfinger,
but after the popularity was surprising everybody. They re released
as a doubleheader Doctor No from Rechwood Love, and I
saw them Doctor No from Ruchwood Love and then separately
Goldfinger with my grandmother.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
So there, you've doubled you doubled me. Thinking of their songs,
the song Goldfinger, Hilly Bassy, I mean that's number one,
and you also played and nobody does it better. Collie
Simon from The Spy Love Me is very good. But
I always liked to Live and Let Die, you know.
(28:20):
I thought that was good.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
With Wings, yes, and also a Skyfall Adele didn't do
too badly with Skyfall.
Speaker 11 (28:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
And I actually liked the latest one by Billie Eilish
for No Time. He did a nice job as well.
They've always had terrific musicians involved in the series.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Oh yeah, all right, And I'm gonna ask Steven this
and maybe you two Dennis. When Living the Tie gets
rerun a lot of times, they've removed the Paul McCartney music.
Can you speak to that are Are you aware of that?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
That's news to me, Morgan.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Okay, A lot of times they've reved. I thought it
was for an example throughout the world of TV that
happens periodically. I'll give you a stupid example, the TV
show Kimber the White Lion. I loved that show when
I was a kid. They removed the theme, the lyrics
(29:32):
and put in something instrumental. So I'm guessing it costs
you less to acquire the film that you're going to
be showing on your station than it would if it
were complete with the theme as we heard it originally.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I'm guessing I'm actually surprised, because you know, there are
shows they don't run on TV because the music has
not been cleared. But I would highly doubt that Bond
Bond is so so ubiquitous on television. It's always on
a channel somewhere. I would be very surprised.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
All right, Dennis, was there anything else?
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Just finish up? I was shocked when I saw a
poorly eaton with painted and gold. That was shocking.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I thought you was a gosh down attractive woman.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Oh yeah, truly.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Attractive woman, and I put her in the upper echelon
of Bond Women.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Oh yeah right, Dennis, Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Dennis, I'm gonna let you go, have to take a break.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Yeah, take you all right, and.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Time and temperature nine five twenty five degrees.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
You leave twice.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
Also scene.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
One Life for Yourself and One.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
For your Dream.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
A little bit of Nancy Sinatra there singing you Only
Live twice. My favorite Bond movie. The plot, the sets,
the action, everything about it puts my favorite Bond movie
at the top of the list. You want to live twice?
Stephen J. Rubin is here, and Stephen, before we take
(32:01):
another call, it'll be JJ and Maine. Tell everybody the
publisher of your books and how they can get their
hands on them.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
The best way to get my books, the Twilight Zone
Encyclopedia and the James Bond Movie Encyclopedia is through Amazon.
They're both published by Chicago Review Press, and Amazon is
the best place to pick those up.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Perfect JJ, you're calling from Maine. Happy holidays and welcome
to Night's Side.
Speaker 12 (32:33):
Thank you very much. We've got most no up here
than you do shows.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
So did we? So did we?
Speaker 12 (32:41):
Yeah? Hey, James Vond and Doctor Know in nineteen sixty
three in Navy boot camp. And I couldn't believe that
they would show a bunch of young Navy recruits that movie.
We were going to the roof.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Well, I hope it didn't inspire any of you to
behave in a naughty way.
Speaker 12 (33:08):
No, not at all, not at all. And I don't
think James One was kind of new then, I don't.
We never knew. I think it was. I never heard
of James one. It's kind of new.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
That was the first year.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, the first two James Bond movies were released without
without a lot of fanfare. It was not Goldfinger. Goldfinger.
They blew out the marketing budget.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
So they could.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
But Doctor Though I didn't see the first two James
Bond movies. My mother came home, havn't seen from Russia Love,
and she said she couldn't explain the plot. It was
just so wild. And then of course we all went
to see Goldfinger in sixty four. But it's funny, you
know the scene in Doctor No where Ursula Andres comes
out of the water in that bikini.
Speaker 12 (33:55):
I tell you what you were talking about.
Speaker 13 (33:58):
That Joy.
Speaker 12 (34:01):
There were two hundred recruits in this indoor Joe's Hall,
and they were showing the movie there when when that happened.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
Oh, the only thing I can compare it to from
even back in the day before Barne was the scene
with Rita Hayworth and.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Gilda where she just shook her hair, snapped her head up,
and that right was equal to Ursula Andrews coming out
of the ocean.
Speaker 11 (34:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (34:36):
Hey, you know, I just saw a little video on
Facebook and barn one liners. There was about twenty minutes
one liners from him and one liners from Double O seven.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
Was pretty good.
Speaker 12 (34:47):
It was a lot of funny one liners. You didn't realize.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
My favorite M one liner is where Barne had his
watch fixed by Q and Like and he activated the
magnet to take the spoon off the saucer and cup
of tea that M was drinking. And Bond said, well,
(35:12):
Q wired this. It's a magnet and allegedly it has
the power to deflect the bullet at the right distance.
And M said, I am so tempted to test that
theory right now.
Speaker 12 (35:30):
The whole thing, you know, the name and the name's
Double seven M and the you know, it's just like
adults adult man's comic or something. You know, yeah, it was,
it was.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I gotta get two more people on. Thank you for
the call. Happy holidays. Let's go to Robert and Wellesley.
Speaker 11 (35:51):
Robert, Hello, Oh, good evening. Good and good evening to
your guests, mister Stephen J. Rubin and great show. I'd
like to I'd like to agree with your guests. Higher
ranking for George Rosenby and and Ausco Roger Moore. And
I happened to hear an anecdote top by one of
(36:13):
the Bond ladies, Carolyn Monroe, who spoke highly of Roger
Moore as a as an actor, and thank you for
mentioning the other Bond girls like Shirley Eaton Morgan. I
certainly agree with your she deserves a high ranking among
Bond women. And and Ursula Andrews. That's a that's a
great scene. And and I liked your previous caller had
(36:36):
some great comments. And I think that it sounds like
the movie he saw was typical some shipboard uh movies
shown on board Navy ships.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Well, you know Carolyn Monroe, so I'm not mistaken. Her
name was Naomi and she worked for Kurt Jurgen's in
the spy who loved me, and she flew that helicopter
and she was very sexy and usually taller women have
(37:10):
a natural sexuality about them, which she did. But she
would not surpass Shirley Eaton in my book, she was.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
She has that great moment where she's machine gunning or
trying a machine gun Roger and the Lotus, and she
sat them. It's a very sexy.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Wink, very very all right, Robert, I get one more
call to take. Thank you for taking the time to call.
Happy holidays. There goes Robert and sharing You're lucky, you
are lucky. I saved time for you.
Speaker 14 (37:44):
Oh well, thank you very much this evening. Merry Christmas,
Happy holidays to everybody out there. I just have to
make one point, and that is I want to talk
really quickly about On Her Majesty's Secret Service, in my opinion,
one of the underrated James Bond movies ever. I thought,
(38:06):
I mean, for someone that didn't had hardly any acting experience,
he didn't do a bad job all storyline.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Off, I'll cut you off right there. He had zero
acting experience. He lied his way into the interview, he
lied his way into addition, and I still today maintained that,
considering he had almost virtually never been on camera other
than doing a chocolate ad in the in London, he
(38:37):
was very comfortable in that role and very natural as Bond.
I kind of wish he had stayed with it. Yeah,
I agree.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Agree. Let me give you my problem with that movie.
You sullied the image of James Bond by having him
while he's waiting to break into that doctor's office to
get the paperwork to find all about blow film, blah
blah blah blah, he flips through a Playboy. He flips
(39:06):
through Playboy magazine and pulls out the centerfold. This is
James Bond, who could have any woman in the world, real,
a live woman, and he's taking out the centerfold of
Playboy to I guess, let it inspire him at a
later date. Wrong.
Speaker 14 (39:28):
I think that was the only James Bond movie where
Playboy was actually in. I believe.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
All I can say to that whole all I can
say that whole thing is that this never happened to
the other fellow.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, there you go, Sean. I gotta say goodbye because
i'mount of time. Happy holiday, Sean, Thank you, goodbye, Steven,
thank you, thank you, Thank you, and we could do
this for five hours. You and I both know that,
and I will have you back in twenty twenty five. Okay.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
He always a pleasure for Morgan. We always have fun
with our favorite stuff. And thanks to all the listeners,
and happy holidays everybody. Stay safe out there and keep
loving the Twilight Zone which is coming up in Marathon
over news as always, and keep loving Bond.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Thank you, Steven. Happy holidays to you and family. All right, everybody,
all I have to do is say who's for the
next two hours. Mel Simon's here on BZ time nine
fifty eight twenty five degrees
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