January 1, 2025 • 42 mins
Dan discussed the New Orleans attack that occurred early New Years Day, killing 15 people.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's night Sime with Dany. I'm telling you easy Boston Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Pal Griffith, thank you very much. By the way, if
I could just take a moment here that tomorrow night
at nine o'clock, we'll be talking with Massachusetts State Senator
Nick Collins about the controversy over Boston's tax rate and
the fight that he has been involved in with the
WU administration. And Nick will try to break it down
(00:29):
for us so we can better understand what is at
stake and that dust up between the mayor mayor of
WU and State Senator Nick Collins. Collins had won this
fight and it's one that frankly, I need to understand
a little bit better. Talk with Nick Collins today, and
we will have him on tomorrow night at nine o'clock.
(00:49):
Then at ten o'clock that I'm going to be talking
with Robert Charles. We had him as a guest a
few weeks ago. Very interesting background in terms of public service.
He's a fellow, grew up in the state of Maine,
lives now in Maine in retirement. Has written a book
called Cherish America, and I think it's something particularly in
view of what transpired early this morning in New Orleans.
(01:13):
We all should cherish America and maybe this will set
the tone for twenty twenty five here on nightside. So
those are two guests coming up tomorrow night, and I
hope you will join us and talk to either of them.
In the meantime, we are talking about the terror attack,
clearly an ISIS motivated attack. At this point, I know
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that we need to wait until all the information is in.
We don't know if this individual was a lone wolf,
although frankly, at this point it would seem that he
very well may have. Although it's impossible to think that
in this country, the way in which we're all connected,
that the authorities cannot again with respect to the Constitution,
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with all due respect to the Constitution and to privacy rights,
if people are making frequent trips to ISIS websites, unless
they're a college professor or a student who's doing a
thesis on it, or an intelligence agent, what are they
(02:22):
doing there? Just as if there's people making frequent trips
to I don't even know if there are sites for
the KKK or whatever. I do believe that that is
a legitimate law enforcement activity. And it again, if you
want to go and check out a public website. I
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think that you surrender some of your constitutional privacy rights.
I know my friends in the ACL you will disagree.
Maybe my good friend Harvey's Silverglate might disagree. But I
think we have reached a point in time where it's
almost predictable. It's almost predictable. Back to the call as
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we go, Let's go to Sandra down in Carver. Sandra,
welcome back to night Side, your first call of the year.
How are you, Sandra?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Good? How are you? I'm glad you're feeling better.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, I'll tell you have to feel better after what
I went through, and we'll talk about that maybe later on,
if not tonight, tomorrow night. Go right ahead. How are
I hope you have been spared? Whatever this was that
I dealt with in the last few.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Days, Well, I had w b Z on all day,
so I've been listening to it. Yeah, you know. And
as far as your cold, yeah, there has been a
very bad respiratory cold going around with a lot of
chess issues.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Let me tell you. Yeah, believe me, I can speak
with firsthand knowledge. So but we'll get to that later.
Talk to me. Talk to me about New Orleans. What's your.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
A lot of people have said, you know what, a
lot of stuff. But I just want to remark that
you had said that he lived in a shabby trailer
park with goats and animals, and I just want to
point out that he is one of our veterans and
that's not too acceptable if he can't afford any place
to live. However, that's not the main thing. A lot
of veterans are coming back very disillusioned. But he also
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has a Mid Eastern name. Even though he was born here.
You don't know what exactly you know his family is like,
or what they converse about, and whether that had something
to do with it. I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, it's early. Let's just agree that it's early in
terms of what his status is as a veteran. Obviously
we have to recognize it. Apparently he was deployed to
Afghanistan for at least one year. I think it was
two thousand and nine to twenty ten. But there are
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a lot of veterans who come back and find themselves
in difficult circumstances. I think that obviously, you know veterans
who come back and find themselves dealing with alcohol issues
or drug issues. There should be a plethora of programs
available for veterans who find themselves in that situation. There
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should be no homeless veterans. This guy, apparently, as of
twenty twenty one, had left the military and had started
some sort of a real estate company in Houston, Texas.
You can see it on the internet. It's pretty available,
and apparently didn't do well with that and went through
a couple of bad divorces and found himself in a
situation of bankruptcy and was living in pretty squalid conditions.
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I don't know what the Veterans Administration can do for
those sort of maladies. I don't think they can turn
around and say to uh, you know, veterans who are bankrupt, look,
come on in and we're going to set you up
in a successful business. I know. And that's separated apart
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from what this guy did last night.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean, right, totally right. I'm not I'm not saying
that that's acceptable. But there's been a bit of rhetoric
lately against their allies and people who are listening to
this and that, you know, you don't know who, you know,
what makes people a trigger?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I know some Canadians believe that Trump is in with Pewton.
There are some that have that feeling, and I've talked
to some of them, so I know that that's what
they're feeling and.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Connect how do you how do you connect that to
this self?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Because it riles people up. There are people getting riled
up by it, you know, so that's all.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You people can get. People have a right to get
riled up. We get riled up about a lot of stuff.
But what I'm suggesting is if this guy was radicalized
to the point that he's a supporter of ISIS. I mean,
as someone who's in the military above all should know
that ISIS was the group that was beheading journalists and
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people with whom they disagree. That's a nasty organization. You know,
We're not talking about the Knights of Columbus here. We're
talking about ISIS.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And I just want to share this too. One of
your callers said they never hear anything like this in
China or Russia. Well, China and Russia gets rid of
their enemies. They don't like anybody to disagree.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
With no, and no one wants to live in China.
In this country, I guess there are some people who
do decide to go live in those countries which people
have a right to. But look, that's not what I want.
But my question that I raised earlier is do you
agree with me that people who are going to these
isis sites are really the same as people who are
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going to kitty porn sites.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Mean, I believe that they're extremely dangerous. And I think
the Internet, yeah, it's a nice thing to have. But
I don't even have a computer. I'm talking on a
land phone. I just understand that.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But my question to you is this, if if somebody
is attracted to kitty porn sites, okay, or if they're
attracted to isis sites, something's cooking there. That's not good
in my opinion. Right if it's some social scientist who
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is trying to figure out, you know, the problems with
you know, kitty porn, that's a different story. But someone's
going there for their own entertainment or edification, or someone's
going to isis sites for their own edification, their own
their education. I think that they have they have put
up red flags, and those red flags need to be monitored.
(09:07):
Right with that totally, you know, And that's all I'm
trying to say. What can we what can we do
from this? We can't bring back the dead people. They're gone.
We can't bring back this guy and find out what
really was going on in his head. He's dead, right,
I'm just trying to come up with some sort of
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a proposal. Now, my again, my my, my friends in
the American Civil Liberties Union and even my real friend
Harvey Silverglate would probably agree, would disagree with me, But
I think that, you know, we could draw some lines.
I mean, people will say, well, you hot, where do
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you draw a line. I'll draw a line on kiddie
porn and on at isis sites.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Right. I agree with that because you do have to
protect the country and this obviously this guy slipped through
the cracks, and you know, you have to protect the country.
And I used to donate to the ACLU, small donations.
I don't anymore ever since they tried to take down
across in Middleborough.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, well that's that's more important to them than than
And they would defend the rights of somebody to go
to kitty porn sites, and they would say, well, you know,
just because they go to kitty porn sites, that doesn't
mean that they're, uh, they're going to assault children. Well,
you know, I mean that's kind of the next step
in my opinion, you know. But hey, if any of
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my a cl you friends want to call tonight and
disagree with me, that's fine. Sandra, Thank you so much
for Collin. It's always great to hear your voice.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Thank you, and have a good night, bye bye, and.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
A happy New Year to you and yours.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Thanks Andra, Oh, thank you you too.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
But a break. I got Shane and Bob and Boston
got one line at six one, seven thirty, and I
got one line. It's I got two lines at six
one seven nine thirty. I think this is an important topic.
Not what I expected to do this morning when I
woke up, not even what I expected to do in
the middle of the day as we plotted the program tonight.
(11:16):
But I think it's it's something that needs to be
talked about. And I think that I assume the government
has to be monitoring the ISIS radical sites. I would hope,
I would hope, But how does this guy never get
on the radar? Fifteen Americans are dead tonight for making
the mistake of being on Bourbon Street at three o'clock
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in the morning celebrating New Year's Eve. Being back on nightside,
right after this.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WITBZ the news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Back to the phones, Let's go to Shane and Boston. Shane,
appreciate your patience. You are now next on Nightside. Welcome Shane,
Happy New Year.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
How are you, my Dan?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
I was hoping I might be able to kind of
pivot the conversation towards the state of mental health in
this country, particularly from my perspective as an insider.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
By the way, can I get you to speak directly
into your mouthpiece because you're you're sounding like you're a
little off your mouth piece.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I'm commuting. I'm commuting at the moment, So I apologize.
I've been uh and I say this with no you know,
Joy a rising star in the arena homelessness, working in
a shelters and their homes and whatnot in the last
several years, and I've seen the kind of care that
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folks that have, whether it's psychiatric or behavioral issues are
at least at least within Massachusetts. I'm not speaking across
the entire the US, just within the out Boston metro right.
And my biggest concern, and this has come up two
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uh you know, the folly of clients as well as
uh myself getting injured is we have a large workforce
of mental health professionalists that don't communicate on a saying
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the first native tongue language as their clients. So if
their client is off baseline and making you know, threats,
or perhaps speaking in a foreign tongue like perhaps they
typically speak English and all of a sudden they're speaking,
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you know, Arabic phrases.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
So how do you how do you relate that? How
do you, Shane, how do you relate your experiences dealing
with mental health to this situation in the way I.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Feel horrible for the families that have to, you know,
wake up today and you know, here are the worst
news in the world. But I also, you know, my
heart goes out to any suffering veteran who whose mind
isn't in the right place. And I want to see
people get the best mental health care possible in this country.
(14:25):
And I was curious what your take was on how
is it possible to integrate people who are not from
this country trying to enter the field and being the
majority workforce dealing with well find.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
The connection Shane that I'm having trouble with is this
guy who did this in New Orleans is a forty
two year old American citizen, I believe born in Texas.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
So talking about the people that would be looking after
him in a potential psych hospital and whether or not
he's getting you know, adequate care or whether he's just
getting kind.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Of what I'm saying is what I'm saying is he's
he happens to have an Arabic name, but but he's
probably as American as apple pie. You know, been in
the military for ten years.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Perfect English. I'm thinking if he had, then he probably
speaks perfect English.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, well, he's saying us, boy, if he.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Lived in Massachusetts, there's a good chance that he was
to enter facility to you know, maybe get his head
kind of screwed on straight. He wouldn't be able to
speak to anyone that could relate to him on a
you know level where they could communicate as if you know, Well,
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what should I'm trying to get at was that if
this if this guy was somebody who had just moved
here and had had no English faculty or facility, I'm
just this, this is the extreme.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
This is not somebody who is who's gone through through
a bad experience and is not doing well. This guy
has has after having served I think it was about
twelve years in the military, has come out and they
mowed down innocent Americans with an ISIS flag flying off
the back of his truck.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Right, And we're all products of our environment. I'm sure
this individual has PTSD on top of, you know, underlying
a latent mental health issues that I don't know how
you can make that.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well. Look, there's a lot of people who have PTSD,
but they're not running down And first of all, there's
no suggestion of that. Go look at some of the videos.
He was a He had a real estate company that
he found that he sounds like, you know, your real
estate agent who might live next door to you. My question,
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here's the question I'm trying to get at, Shane, is
there are people out there who are being radicalized, not
you or not me, but are going to dark web sites.
On the dark web ISIS sits, and there's bad sites
of all different points of view. I think that once
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people find themselves frequenting whether it's a kiddy porn site,
an ISIS site, or some sort of white racist, white
supremacist site, that's a red flag and we got to
start talking to those people and saying, what are you
doing on these sites? You know, we're monitoring what you're doing,
and we're keeping an eye on you. This guy apparently
felt he could do whatever he wanted, including killing fifteen
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people on Bourbon Street last night. I don't think it's
a communication problem. And I think the point you're making
in another context might be perfectly make perfect sense, but
it doesn't work for this this particular program here. Do
we need more people helping people? Yeah, absolutely, we're not
going to disagree with that.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
That's what I was getting at is what if this
individual had, you know, tried to reach out for help
and given the given the atmosphere and the climate that
I've seen in Massachusetts, they would more or less be
stuck getting pleasantries, and they.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Would I don't think that someone who's going I don't
think if I'm going to an ISIS site and I'm
having thoughts about renting the truck and driving it down
the street and killing as mary as many Americans as
I can as possible. I don't think if I go
to a mental health site that I'm going to probably
say that. But even if I do, I don't know
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what you do with a person under those circumstances. I think,
if anything, that.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I had a client threatened to bring a gun into
work less than a month ago. We didn't give him
his file and he was born in this country.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
So what did you do with him? What did you
do with him?
Speaker 5 (19:18):
We are monitoring him as closely as possible, we are.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
You know, did you report? Did you did you report
to his thought to his work site that they should
be concerned.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So this is a homeless individual, then, oh.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
So what was So he's homeless, but he's going to
bring a gun into his work site.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
He's going to bring a gun into a shelter that
he lives in.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Did you tell the shelter that this guy had told
you that he was bringing he might he was having
thoughts about bringing a gun into into the shelter.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
It's it's it's me that would be getting shot at, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, well that's great. So you did the right thing
and hopefully the guy can get some help. I'm up
on my ten thirty news break Chaine. So I got
to let you go. Thank you for your call. Please,
this is your first time calling my show.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
No it's not.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Okay, Well come back more often. Okay, thank you very much,
appreciate you your effort. Here comes the news coming back
right after.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That night Side Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Back to the phones we go. Bob is in Boston. Bob, welcome,
next to a nightside go right hit Bob.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yes, good evening, Dan. I feel bad that I haven't
spoken to you in a couple of years. How have
you been.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I've been doing great. I hope you've been doing well too.
I had a little bit of a I don't know
what it was, bronchitis or something for a couple of weeks,
but I timed it so I had that on my vacation.
So I'm all set, go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I really like you, and I think you're a nice gentleman,
and I want to wish you and everybody at WBC
Radium ten thirty a very, very happy and healthy new year.
But focus on the topic. It scared the hell out
of me when I saw on TV. And when Donald
Trump gets reelected on January twentieth, he needs to really
buckle down and think about this and spend more money
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on public safety with the FBI and local officials. Okay,
we need to keep America safe. And the problem is
is that there was so many terrorists of people that
have mental health problems and they're not like the other
Juman said, they're not getting professional help mental health and
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mental illnesses and disorder. It's the illness of the brain
and there's not enough professional help that people can get.
I personally have gotten a lot of help in this
common wealth. I think Governor Mary Heally is an outstanding,
remarkable woman. She's joined the best she can to keep
by citizens of our commonwealth safe and sound. I think
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if when the president gets re elected, he really needs
to things serious out having a chief Executive of public
safety and keep this KATCHI safe so people like this
and things like this don't happen again.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, very he has, as you know. I think what
you mean is when he is reinaugurated. He has already
been reelected. I'll reinaugurated on January twentieth, and I think
that that he's going to take some steps which will
hopefully tighten things up a little bit. Bob. Simple as
simple as that, Bobby, sound great, You got don't be
a stranger.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Come back and I've been to recovery away from alcohol
and drugs for two years, almost two years. And there
was a big write up about a week or so
ago about addiction and the Bosston Globe. And I just
want to say to you, Dan, I'm an animal lover
like you do you happen to have another dog or no?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
No, but I get to babysit for both of my kids,
who are both married. They have dogs. My daughter has
a beautiful Corgi named Mustard, and I'm babysitting this week
for really the Wonder Dogs was a shorty that's great.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I just want to say one last thing and I'll
let you go. My mother. I lost my mother almost
five years ago, and I'll tell you, damn, when you
lose your mother, it's like losing your best friend. And
I just want to say, you know, I personally have
got a lot of professional help from people are meant
to help. I want to quickly ask you why didn't
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excover William were out close someway the state mental hospital
stat of the Commonwealth was just to save the state
money or.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
No.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I think a lot of those hospitals actually were also
closed by Mike Doucacas. There was a de institutional.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Mike do concress, I think Governor Mark Heely is joined
a great job, and let's keep this Commonwealth America safe
and look out for each other. And I think everybody
out there they're gonna walk a walk on the streets.
They should walk in groups and say something that somebody
if something like this is going to happen.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And we get people to react to what you have
to say. Best of luck, congratulations on your recovery.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
All right, you have a good.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Let me go to gym in Kansas City. Gym in
Kansas City. Next on nightside, Jim Groight.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Ahead, Dan, I think for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Right back at you.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Happy new Year, Thank you, Happy New Year. How are you.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Feel a little better than I did a couple of
weeks ago. What's on your mind tonight?
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Jim? Three things? Well, first of all, like even saying
I would be very surprised that if they did an
autopsy on this guy, that they don't find massive amounts
of tetrahydro cannabinall in his blood and fatty tissues marijuana.
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For those of you from your wenda.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Well there's no suggestion of that. But if they do,
hopefully we'll they'll make it public.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Right there never is They never say it. But I
will say over and over. I've said it many times,
so again and again. That stuff is. They don't make
that stuff for kids. It's serious stuff. So you know,
you know, I'd be very surprised that they don't find
a lot of that. And the other thing is he
came across the border. Well, whether he's illegal or illegal,
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he did across the border.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Jim, Jim, what he didn't come across the border?
Speaker 6 (25:14):
You say he did not?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
No, he was born, he's an American citizen.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
But see you you see, you're not. I listened to
w w L from New Orleans all day long. Gooday,
and it's been since swept under the rug. But that truck,
I don't know whether he was in it or not,
but that truck just came across the border an Eagle Pass.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Very jell me said, let me help you out on that. Okay.
You know, you know me, Jim, I like I spend
my day prepping okay myself is that there was some
reports that that truck came across the border. I believe
it was November sixteenth from Eating Pass, Texas. What I
have found out tonight. Matter of fact, one of my
callers informed me about something that I had never heard of.
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Have you ever heard of a website called Toro t
u R?
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
And what does that what to do? As far as
you understand.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
It, I never really did. I kind of thought it
was like a mobile app, but it's it's just a
way to It's kind of like a bed and breakfast
only instead of renting somebody's house beyond their car.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah. Right, So therefore, what that what that means is
that I don't know. I assume the FBI is going
to look at the history of the truck, So there
could have been somebody, Uh, this guy rented the truck
that he destroyed in killing fifteen people. I assume I
believe he rented it in Houston and he drove yesterday,
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rented it yesterday, and he drove to New Orleans yesterday. Now, well,
it could have. But the point I'm trying to make, Jim,
is that the truck could have been rented by other people,
maybe somebody who decided to drive to Mexico. Let's see
what they come up with. But I just on his
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on his status. He's an American citizen who served about
twelve years in the US military and actually was deployed
to Afghanistan from I guess most of two thousand and nine,
two thousand and nine and into twenty ten. If anything,
this case sounds to me more like the Nadal Hassan
case out of Wood, Texas.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Into one thing that came to mind, and you informed
me that what's his namely not part in which I
was kind of wondering about that, but here's there's my
third thing, and you kind of touched on it. You said,
let's see what they come up with. One of the
things that I heard when I was listening on WWL
all day today was the there's the chief of police
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or prosecutor somebody by the way with the w.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
W elis those in the audience. That's the New Orleans,
very fine New Orleans radio station.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Very go ahead, Yeah, they're okay. Well, anyway, with the guy,
I don't know what he would but he kept saying,
I'm gonna keep my mouth set for a while, but
he said, if they don't come out with all the
details pretty soon, I'll spill the beans. So he must
know a lot about what's going on, what went on.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I have no idea who that was. I did see
the police superintendent, who I believe happens to be a woman.
She did admit that they that they may have made
the mistake of not restoring what they call it's called
Ballard's b O L A r d s. Those are
the steel posts or cement posts that are are that
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block buildings and block streets, and apparently they had removed
some of those, and all they had was a police
car parked at the intersection of Canal and Bourbon Street.
And when this guy came down Canal Street, he just
took a ride on a Bourbon Street, swung around the
police car, went up over the sidewalk and and mowed
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down fifteen people. So there was a little bit of
negligence on behalf. I think of the authorities in New
Orleans that might have prevented this.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
This is a little bit long here, but for my break.
But they said something about these orange orange things. I
think they're probably talking about orange jersey plastic jersey barriers. Well,
what happens a lot of times if they just put
those jersey barriers out there, they don't fill them up.
You got to fill them things up with either water
or sand or they're just like having kind of like
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a rocking chair there.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, I appreciate your points. Some of them were really
good and some of them I hope we can agree
that I was able to give you a little information
that maybe you didn't have. Appreciate your call. Thank you much.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Stay off the weed, Dan, I'm not a weed guy.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I think you know that. Thanks very much, appreciate it.
Tim and Wilburn. Tim, welcome next on nightside.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
I granted him from all night. That's the most horrendous
thing I think I ever heard of.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Well, it's pretty horrendous, but I don't know that it's
as horrendous as nine to eleven. To be honest with you. You're
right in terms of the scale the magnitude. But it's
a terrorist attack. Those people twenty four hours ago were
alive just like you and I are, Tim, and now
they're no longer with us. Sad.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Yeah, you're dead on time too.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
Still, I have my night side mug here with a
cup of coffee.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
All right, Well, that'll keep you awake, hey, Tim, Happy
New Year to you and your family. Okay, thank you
so much for checking in. Always good to hear your voice.
Look forward to hearing from you many times throughout the year. Okay,
and at some point we will have a cup of
coffee together.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
That would be great.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Tim, Thanks much, appreciate it.
All right, we got a quick break coming up. I
got a little bit of room for you at one
line at six one seven, two five four ten thirty,
and I got two lines at six one seven nine
three one ten thirty. Uh. We have done nearly three
hours on this. I'm likely to switch topics at eleven
(31:15):
o'clock unless, uh, these lines fill up more quickly. Ron
in Weymouth and Mark and allstin. You guys are all set.
I'm gonna get you in pretty easily, and we have
room for you if you want to dial in. You
got the numbers. Dial away.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Let's keep rolling. They're gonna go to Ron and Weymouth
Ron next on Nightsiger right ahead.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
Well, good evening, Ray and uh, I mean yeah, we know,
good evening and uh and the happy New Year with
a hell of a stat Huh.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, you could call me Dan Ron, go right ahead.
We're on first name.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
It something else going on most I don't know why
I said that, No, prop No, no problem. Sane called
in and a few others. They seem to write all
the softwa as a medical, psychiatric excuse for an attack. Now,
are you telling me that all the attacks in Israel
that they had they write an office that they're just crazy.
I believe it's something going on that we need to
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watch very closely, especially radicalize people who have had military
training that did such a thing like this. And then
all the information coming in from the FBI statement that
I have in front of me, the official one today,
it all concludes everything that you've been saying.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
And actually I had that statement as well. And the
thing that is most interesting about that is, obviously the
situation will always change. Let me just really quickly, says
you have it. This was this statement, which basically stated
the obvious. At approximately three point fifteen a Central Standard time,
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an individual drove a pickup truck into a crowd of
people on Bourbon Street in New Orleans, killing at least
ten of courses now up to fifteen, injuring dozens of others.
After hitting the crowd, he exited the vehicle and fired
upon local law enforcement. Law enforcement returned fire subject pronounced
deceased at the scene to law enforcement officers injured transport
at a hospital. Subject was identified as we've talked about, forty
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two year old shamsud Din Jabbar, US citizen from Texas,
and it goes on the ISIS flag. It says weapons
and potential ied were located in the subject's vehicle. Other
potential IED's were also found located in the French quarter.
That sounds to me like that might be dated information
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at this point, right, you know something that situation, well
as that Davis cautioned us during the eight o'clock hour,
will change in the next few days. There also apparently
is an arrest made tonight in Houston. It said that
heavily armed police were spotted detaining a man in Houston.
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Now again, I have no idea if this guy is related,
but apparently he was detained near the home. Shirtless man
surrenders outside Houston home of terrorist who mowed down Revelus
in New Orleans report, So this could be some goofball.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
I see all, wasn't I see all the same stuff
that you're saying, but I didn't want to intercede just
briefly here. I believe it's the beginning phase leading up
to more attacks and I think we're going to have
to go back to a nationwide alert system just doesn't
alert you know, police and security and alerts citizens also.
And we had that one time way back. I guess
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that was after nine to eleven. I think we had
something like that at an alert system. We need to
get hav an alert system because I don't think people
are understanding that the how bad it is. Oh it's
just another attack. And I think we've we're letting down
our God is what I'm trying to say. Uh, We've
got it. We've got to change, and we can't be
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waiting all this time, uh for anything else to happen.
It's it's got to change now. And I think, well, here's.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Here's my here, here's my not a solution, because there's
probably no solution to this. So I think we have
to recognize that there are people amongst us. We live
in a free society. There are people amongst us who
are attracted to some pretty weird activities. And I basically
am saying that if you're, uh, we we should be
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able to monitor ISIS sites and find out what Americans
are frequenting those sites. And that's a red flag, just
as if somebody's frequency frequenting a kiddy porn site, that
should be a red flag. Now, you know, I don't
see what's wrong with if someone is going to get
on a public Internet site, I think that their right
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of absolute privacy UH is limited there. I think you
know that that we have an obligation to do whatever
we can to to find people who are either going
to abuse children, who are going to be radicalized by ISIS,
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or join hate organizations. And I know that my friends
in the a c L you are going to disagree,
but I'm sick of of of the a c L
you saying, oh, you can do whatever you want, but
if you show a proclivity here spending a lot of
time on an ISIS site, you got unless you're a
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college professor or or some sort of a researcher, I
think you've got a problem. Just as if you spend
a lot.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Of time on do I do too. I do too, Dan,
and Uh.
Speaker 8 (36:53):
I think that not only do we need justice, we
need the beginning of swift justice. None of this hanging
on with a lot of the legal debuts and all
that let him stay in prison. We need to get
going and show them that we mean business that we're
not going to accept this. The American people want justice
and they want swift justice. Maybe they we'll get that
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for the president President.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I don't know. You know, it was interesting. It was
a very quick case. Apparently there was an agreement reached
with the guy who's the head of the head terrorist
at Guantanamo, and they worked a deal where he would
plead guilty and they would take the death penalty off
the table. And apparently the Defense Secretary Secretary of Austin
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tried to overturn that decision.
Speaker 8 (37:45):
I heard.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
This to me was insane. Uh. He should have been
up that decision. And a federal judge said no, the
Defense Secretary waited too long uh to make his decision.
And therefore, uh she Muhammad, the guy who was the
mastermind of nine to eleven, we'll never see the death penalty.
(38:10):
Thank you, judge. Wheover the hell you are? How about that?
Speaker 7 (38:12):
Huh?
Speaker 8 (38:13):
So that means we really don't we really don't have
any deterrance no matter what they say. Uh. Oh, well,
you know, if they're caught in the act of doing it.
I mean that's like, don't you think, legally, pretty pretty
pretty big good evidence right in the act of it.
And for oeign countries, you think they wait around they.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Have guy's been Dono for twenty years. Okay, he should
have been taking care of a long time ago.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
Absolutely, I like the other people.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
I like Ron.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I got to get one more in here. We we
went a long time on our topic.
Speaker 7 (38:43):
Here today we did.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
We should thank you?
Speaker 6 (38:45):
Sorry, should you call him?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
No problem, talk to you soon. Let me go to Mark.
You knows, Mark going to wrap the hour for us.
Speaker 9 (38:51):
Go happy New Year.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
I get you.
Speaker 9 (38:58):
I actually used very little social media, just a little
bit of LinkedIn, the ultra respectable uh social media that's
devoted to career development.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I agree, I'm on LinkedIn to Mark as a matter
of fact.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
But I do think that it's possible to overdose on
social media. Back I guess last may. I have a
friend at synagogue who well was following the whole Israel
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Palestrini and Arab war, and yet got a bit overwrought, and.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
You know it took what happened to him? What happened?
Speaker 9 (39:58):
Oh, he's fine, he's fine now, but his wife, who's
a social worker, had to say, watch it hunting.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I mean, yeah, a lot of people spend spend too
much time on social media. Absolutely, and if you but
again to follow the Israeli you know, hajmas war right thing,
But to hang out on ISIS sites and get radicalized,
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that's something quite different. And you know in terms of we, well,
we see the result. We just see the result. Obviously,
you know what the result was for fifteen people did Well.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
Isn't it possible to draw up a probable cause level
case if somebody's doing too much of that stuff?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Well, I think at a minimum, there should be some
sort of awareness by you know, by authorities that somebody
spending a lot of time on ISIS. I would go
and interview that individual. We have a right to knock
on the door and say, hey, I'd like to talk
to you again. You're on a what is theoretically a
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public website, okay, you know, and and I think that
you have surrendered some of your personal your your privacy
rights when you're on a website that is uh that
is as dangerous as UH as isis ISIS website or
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a kiddie porn website. I think you got to look
at them the same way.
Speaker 9 (41:45):
In my opinion, Well, doesn't the FBI actually catch people
sometimes using the.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh yeah they could. Yeah, sure, yeah, they can sort
of put people out there and sometimes they think they're
talking to an eleven year old girl or a ten
year old boy, and when they show up for the
meeting with them, Hello, you're talking with FBI agents. Yeah,
that's that's that's conceivable as well. So I don't know. Hey, Mark,
(42:20):
I'm up at my eleven o'clock news. We gotta let
you run, my friend, Okay, we'll talk. So thanks, Happy
New Year to you and yours.
Speaker 9 (42:27):
Thanks, thanks walking up.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Here comes the eleven. We'll be back right after the eleven,
And I think I'm going to change topics at eleven,
so we'll see if I get something that might interest
you even more than this terrorism attack. It's a tough
way to start the year, but we're going to talk
about a little lighter topic at eleven. Coming back on
Night Side,
It's night Sime with Dany. I'm telling you easy Boston Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Pal Griffith, thank you very much. By the way, if
I could just take a moment here that tomorrow night
at nine o'clock, we'll be talking with Massachusetts State Senator
Nick Collins about the controversy over Boston's tax rate and
the fight that he has been involved in with the
WU administration. And Nick will try to break it down
(00:29):
for us so we can better understand what is at
stake and that dust up between the mayor mayor of
WU and State Senator Nick Collins. Collins had won this
fight and it's one that frankly, I need to understand
a little bit better. Talk with Nick Collins today, and
we will have him on tomorrow night at nine o'clock.
(00:49):
Then at ten o'clock that I'm going to be talking
with Robert Charles. We had him as a guest a
few weeks ago. Very interesting background in terms of public service.
He's a fellow, grew up in the state of Maine,
lives now in Maine in retirement. Has written a book
called Cherish America, and I think it's something particularly in
view of what transpired early this morning in New Orleans.
(01:13):
We all should cherish America and maybe this will set
the tone for twenty twenty five here on nightside. So
those are two guests coming up tomorrow night, and I
hope you will join us and talk to either of them.
In the meantime, we are talking about the terror attack,
clearly an ISIS motivated attack. At this point, I know
(01:34):
that we need to wait until all the information is in.
We don't know if this individual was a lone wolf,
although frankly, at this point it would seem that he
very well may have. Although it's impossible to think that
in this country, the way in which we're all connected,
that the authorities cannot again with respect to the Constitution,
(02:00):
with all due respect to the Constitution and to privacy rights,
if people are making frequent trips to ISIS websites, unless
they're a college professor or a student who's doing a
thesis on it, or an intelligence agent, what are they
(02:22):
doing there? Just as if there's people making frequent trips
to I don't even know if there are sites for
the KKK or whatever. I do believe that that is
a legitimate law enforcement activity. And it again, if you
want to go and check out a public website. I
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think that you surrender some of your constitutional privacy rights.
I know my friends in the ACL you will disagree.
Maybe my good friend Harvey's Silverglate might disagree. But I
think we have reached a point in time where it's
almost predictable. It's almost predictable. Back to the call as
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we go, Let's go to Sandra down in Carver. Sandra,
welcome back to night Side, your first call of the year.
How are you, Sandra?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Good? How are you? I'm glad you're feeling better.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, I'll tell you have to feel better after what
I went through, and we'll talk about that maybe later on,
if not tonight, tomorrow night. Go right ahead. How are
I hope you have been spared? Whatever this was that
I dealt with in the last few.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Days, Well, I had w b Z on all day,
so I've been listening to it. Yeah, you know. And
as far as your cold, yeah, there has been a
very bad respiratory cold going around with a lot of
chess issues.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Let me tell you. Yeah, believe me, I can speak
with firsthand knowledge. So but we'll get to that later.
Talk to me. Talk to me about New Orleans. What's your.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
A lot of people have said, you know what, a
lot of stuff. But I just want to remark that
you had said that he lived in a shabby trailer
park with goats and animals, and I just want to
point out that he is one of our veterans and
that's not too acceptable if he can't afford any place
to live. However, that's not the main thing. A lot
of veterans are coming back very disillusioned. But he also
(04:24):
has a Mid Eastern name. Even though he was born here.
You don't know what exactly you know his family is like,
or what they converse about, and whether that had something
to do with it. I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, it's early. Let's just agree that it's early in
terms of what his status is as a veteran. Obviously
we have to recognize it. Apparently he was deployed to
Afghanistan for at least one year. I think it was
two thousand and nine to twenty ten. But there are
(05:04):
a lot of veterans who come back and find themselves
in difficult circumstances. I think that obviously, you know veterans
who come back and find themselves dealing with alcohol issues
or drug issues. There should be a plethora of programs
available for veterans who find themselves in that situation. There
(05:26):
should be no homeless veterans. This guy, apparently, as of
twenty twenty one, had left the military and had started
some sort of a real estate company in Houston, Texas.
You can see it on the internet. It's pretty available,
and apparently didn't do well with that and went through
a couple of bad divorces and found himself in a
situation of bankruptcy and was living in pretty squalid conditions.
(05:52):
I don't know what the Veterans Administration can do for
those sort of maladies. I don't think they can turn
around and say to uh, you know, veterans who are bankrupt, look,
come on in and we're going to set you up
in a successful business. I know. And that's separated apart
(06:13):
from what this guy did last night.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I mean, right, totally right. I'm not I'm not saying
that that's acceptable. But there's been a bit of rhetoric
lately against their allies and people who are listening to
this and that, you know, you don't know who, you know,
what makes people a trigger?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I know some Canadians believe that Trump is in with Pewton.
There are some that have that feeling, and I've talked
to some of them, so I know that that's what
they're feeling and.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Connect how do you how do you connect that to
this self?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Because it riles people up. There are people getting riled
up by it, you know, so that's all.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You people can get. People have a right to get
riled up. We get riled up about a lot of stuff.
But what I'm suggesting is if this guy was radicalized
to the point that he's a supporter of ISIS. I mean,
as someone who's in the military above all should know
that ISIS was the group that was beheading journalists and
(07:16):
people with whom they disagree. That's a nasty organization. You know,
We're not talking about the Knights of Columbus here. We're
talking about ISIS.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And I just want to share this too. One of
your callers said they never hear anything like this in
China or Russia. Well, China and Russia gets rid of
their enemies. They don't like anybody to disagree.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
With no, and no one wants to live in China.
In this country, I guess there are some people who
do decide to go live in those countries which people
have a right to. But look, that's not what I want.
But my question that I raised earlier is do you
agree with me that people who are going to these
isis sites are really the same as people who are
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going to kitty porn sites.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Mean, I believe that they're extremely dangerous. And I think
the Internet, yeah, it's a nice thing to have. But
I don't even have a computer. I'm talking on a
land phone. I just understand that.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But my question to you is this, if if somebody
is attracted to kitty porn sites, okay, or if they're
attracted to isis sites, something's cooking there. That's not good
in my opinion. Right if it's some social scientist who
(08:42):
is trying to figure out, you know, the problems with
you know, kitty porn, that's a different story. But someone's
going there for their own entertainment or edification, or someone's
going to isis sites for their own edification, their own
their education. I think that they have they have put
up red flags, and those red flags need to be monitored.
(09:07):
Right with that totally, you know, And that's all I'm
trying to say. What can we what can we do
from this? We can't bring back the dead people. They're gone.
We can't bring back this guy and find out what
really was going on in his head. He's dead, right,
I'm just trying to come up with some sort of
(09:28):
a proposal. Now, my again, my my, my friends in
the American Civil Liberties Union and even my real friend
Harvey Silverglate would probably agree, would disagree with me, But
I think that, you know, we could draw some lines.
I mean, people will say, well, you hot, where do
(09:49):
you draw a line. I'll draw a line on kiddie
porn and on at isis sites.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Right. I agree with that because you do have to
protect the country and this obviously this guy slipped through
the cracks, and you know, you have to protect the country.
And I used to donate to the ACLU, small donations.
I don't anymore ever since they tried to take down
across in Middleborough.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, well that's that's more important to them than than
And they would defend the rights of somebody to go
to kitty porn sites, and they would say, well, you know,
just because they go to kitty porn sites, that doesn't
mean that they're, uh, they're going to assault children. Well,
you know, I mean that's kind of the next step
in my opinion, you know. But hey, if any of
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my a cl you friends want to call tonight and
disagree with me, that's fine. Sandra, Thank you so much
for Collin. It's always great to hear your voice.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Thank you, and have a good night, bye bye, and.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
A happy New Year to you and yours.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Thanks Andra, Oh, thank you you too.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
But a break. I got Shane and Bob and Boston
got one line at six one, seven thirty, and I
got one line. It's I got two lines at six
one seven nine thirty. I think this is an important topic.
Not what I expected to do this morning when I
woke up, not even what I expected to do in
the middle of the day as we plotted the program tonight.
(11:16):
But I think it's it's something that needs to be
talked about. And I think that I assume the government
has to be monitoring the ISIS radical sites. I would hope,
I would hope, But how does this guy never get
on the radar? Fifteen Americans are dead tonight for making
the mistake of being on Bourbon Street at three o'clock
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in the morning celebrating New Year's Eve. Being back on nightside,
right after this.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WITBZ the news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Back to the phones, Let's go to Shane and Boston. Shane,
appreciate your patience. You are now next on Nightside. Welcome Shane,
Happy New Year.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
How are you, my Dan?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
I was hoping I might be able to kind of
pivot the conversation towards the state of mental health in
this country, particularly from my perspective as an insider.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
By the way, can I get you to speak directly
into your mouthpiece because you're you're sounding like you're a
little off your mouth piece.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I'm commuting. I'm commuting at the moment, So I apologize.
I've been uh and I say this with no you know,
Joy a rising star in the arena homelessness, working in
a shelters and their homes and whatnot in the last
several years, and I've seen the kind of care that
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folks that have, whether it's psychiatric or behavioral issues are
at least at least within Massachusetts. I'm not speaking across
the entire the US, just within the out Boston metro right.
And my biggest concern, and this has come up two
(13:08):
uh you know, the folly of clients as well as
uh myself getting injured is we have a large workforce
of mental health professionalists that don't communicate on a saying
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the first native tongue language as their clients. So if
their client is off baseline and making you know, threats,
or perhaps speaking in a foreign tongue like perhaps they
typically speak English and all of a sudden they're speaking,
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you know, Arabic phrases.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
So how do you how do you relate that? How
do you, Shane, how do you relate your experiences dealing
with mental health to this situation in the way I.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Feel horrible for the families that have to, you know,
wake up today and you know, here are the worst
news in the world. But I also, you know, my
heart goes out to any suffering veteran who whose mind
isn't in the right place. And I want to see
people get the best mental health care possible in this country.
(14:25):
And I was curious what your take was on how
is it possible to integrate people who are not from
this country trying to enter the field and being the
majority workforce dealing with well find.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
The connection Shane that I'm having trouble with is this
guy who did this in New Orleans is a forty
two year old American citizen, I believe born in Texas.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
So talking about the people that would be looking after
him in a potential psych hospital and whether or not
he's getting you know, adequate care or whether he's just
getting kind.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Of what I'm saying is what I'm saying is he's
he happens to have an Arabic name, but but he's
probably as American as apple pie. You know, been in
the military for ten years.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Perfect English. I'm thinking if he had, then he probably
speaks perfect English.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, well, he's saying us, boy, if he.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Lived in Massachusetts, there's a good chance that he was
to enter facility to you know, maybe get his head
kind of screwed on straight. He wouldn't be able to
speak to anyone that could relate to him on a
you know level where they could communicate as if you know, Well,
(15:59):
what should I'm trying to get at was that if
this if this guy was somebody who had just moved
here and had had no English faculty or facility, I'm
just this, this is the extreme.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
This is not somebody who is who's gone through through
a bad experience and is not doing well. This guy
has has after having served I think it was about
twelve years in the military, has come out and they
mowed down innocent Americans with an ISIS flag flying off
the back of his truck.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Right, And we're all products of our environment. I'm sure
this individual has PTSD on top of, you know, underlying
a latent mental health issues that I don't know how
you can make that.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well. Look, there's a lot of people who have PTSD,
but they're not running down And first of all, there's
no suggestion of that. Go look at some of the videos.
He was a He had a real estate company that
he found that he sounds like, you know, your real
estate agent who might live next door to you. My question,
(17:08):
here's the question I'm trying to get at, Shane, is
there are people out there who are being radicalized, not
you or not me, but are going to dark web sites.
On the dark web ISIS sits, and there's bad sites
of all different points of view. I think that once
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people find themselves frequenting whether it's a kiddy porn site,
an ISIS site, or some sort of white racist, white
supremacist site, that's a red flag and we got to
start talking to those people and saying, what are you
doing on these sites? You know, we're monitoring what you're doing,
and we're keeping an eye on you. This guy apparently
felt he could do whatever he wanted, including killing fifteen
(17:53):
people on Bourbon Street last night. I don't think it's
a communication problem. And I think the point you're making
in another context might be perfectly make perfect sense, but
it doesn't work for this this particular program here. Do
we need more people helping people? Yeah, absolutely, we're not
going to disagree with that.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
That's what I was getting at is what if this
individual had, you know, tried to reach out for help
and given the given the atmosphere and the climate that
I've seen in Massachusetts, they would more or less be
stuck getting pleasantries, and they.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Would I don't think that someone who's going I don't
think if I'm going to an ISIS site and I'm
having thoughts about renting the truck and driving it down
the street and killing as mary as many Americans as
I can as possible. I don't think if I go
to a mental health site that I'm going to probably
say that. But even if I do, I don't know
(18:57):
what you do with a person under those circumstances. I think,
if anything, that.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I had a client threatened to bring a gun into
work less than a month ago. We didn't give him
his file and he was born in this country.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
So what did you do with him? What did you
do with him?
Speaker 5 (19:18):
We are monitoring him as closely as possible, we are.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
You know, did you report? Did you did you report
to his thought to his work site that they should
be concerned.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So this is a homeless individual, then, oh.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
So what was So he's homeless, but he's going to
bring a gun into his work site.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
He's going to bring a gun into a shelter that
he lives in.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Did you tell the shelter that this guy had told
you that he was bringing he might he was having
thoughts about bringing a gun into into the shelter.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
It's it's it's me that would be getting shot at, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, well that's great. So you did the right thing
and hopefully the guy can get some help. I'm up
on my ten thirty news break Chaine. So I got
to let you go. Thank you for your call. Please,
this is your first time calling my show.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
No it's not.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Okay, Well come back more often. Okay, thank you very much,
appreciate you your effort. Here comes the news coming back
right after.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That night Side Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Back to the phones we go. Bob is in Boston. Bob, welcome,
next to a nightside go right hit Bob.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yes, good evening, Dan. I feel bad that I haven't
spoken to you in a couple of years. How have
you been.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I've been doing great. I hope you've been doing well too.
I had a little bit of a I don't know
what it was, bronchitis or something for a couple of weeks,
but I timed it so I had that on my vacation.
So I'm all set, go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I really like you, and I think you're a nice gentleman,
and I want to wish you and everybody at WBC
Radium ten thirty a very, very happy and healthy new year.
But focus on the topic. It scared the hell out
of me when I saw on TV. And when Donald
Trump gets reelected on January twentieth, he needs to really
buckle down and think about this and spend more money
(21:12):
on public safety with the FBI and local officials. Okay,
we need to keep America safe. And the problem is
is that there was so many terrorists of people that
have mental health problems and they're not like the other
Juman said, they're not getting professional help mental health and
(21:33):
mental illnesses and disorder. It's the illness of the brain
and there's not enough professional help that people can get.
I personally have gotten a lot of help in this
common wealth. I think Governor Mary Heally is an outstanding,
remarkable woman. She's joined the best she can to keep
by citizens of our commonwealth safe and sound. I think
(21:55):
if when the president gets re elected, he really needs
to things serious out having a chief Executive of public
safety and keep this KATCHI safe so people like this
and things like this don't happen again.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, very he has, as you know. I think what
you mean is when he is reinaugurated. He has already
been reelected. I'll reinaugurated on January twentieth, and I think
that that he's going to take some steps which will
hopefully tighten things up a little bit. Bob. Simple as
simple as that, Bobby, sound great, You got don't be
a stranger.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Come back and I've been to recovery away from alcohol
and drugs for two years, almost two years. And there
was a big write up about a week or so
ago about addiction and the Bosston Globe. And I just
want to say to you, Dan, I'm an animal lover
like you do you happen to have another dog or no?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
No, but I get to babysit for both of my kids,
who are both married. They have dogs. My daughter has
a beautiful Corgi named Mustard, and I'm babysitting this week
for really the Wonder Dogs was a shorty that's great.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I just want to say one last thing and I'll
let you go. My mother. I lost my mother almost
five years ago, and I'll tell you, damn, when you
lose your mother, it's like losing your best friend. And
I just want to say, you know, I personally have
got a lot of professional help from people are meant
to help. I want to quickly ask you why didn't
(23:24):
excover William were out close someway the state mental hospital
stat of the Commonwealth was just to save the state
money or.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
No.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I think a lot of those hospitals actually were also
closed by Mike Doucacas. There was a de institutional.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Mike do concress, I think Governor Mark Heely is joined
a great job, and let's keep this Commonwealth America safe
and look out for each other. And I think everybody
out there they're gonna walk a walk on the streets.
They should walk in groups and say something that somebody
if something like this is going to happen.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And we get people to react to what you have
to say. Best of luck, congratulations on your recovery.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
All right, you have a good.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Let me go to gym in Kansas City. Gym in
Kansas City. Next on nightside, Jim Groight.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Ahead, Dan, I think for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Right back at you.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Happy new Year, Thank you, Happy New Year. How are you.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Feel a little better than I did a couple of
weeks ago. What's on your mind tonight?
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Jim? Three things? Well, first of all, like even saying
I would be very surprised that if they did an
autopsy on this guy, that they don't find massive amounts
of tetrahydro cannabinall in his blood and fatty tissues marijuana.
(24:40):
For those of you from your wenda.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Well there's no suggestion of that. But if they do,
hopefully we'll they'll make it public.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Right there never is They never say it. But I
will say over and over. I've said it many times,
so again and again. That stuff is. They don't make
that stuff for kids. It's serious stuff. So you know,
you know, I'd be very surprised that they don't find
a lot of that. And the other thing is he
came across the border. Well, whether he's illegal or illegal,
(25:09):
he did across the border.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Jim, Jim, what he didn't come across the border?
Speaker 6 (25:14):
You say he did not?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
No, he was born, he's an American citizen.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
But see you you see, you're not. I listened to
w w L from New Orleans all day long. Gooday,
and it's been since swept under the rug. But that truck,
I don't know whether he was in it or not,
but that truck just came across the border an Eagle Pass.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Very jell me said, let me help you out on that. Okay.
You know, you know me, Jim, I like I spend
my day prepping okay myself is that there was some
reports that that truck came across the border. I believe
it was November sixteenth from Eating Pass, Texas. What I
have found out tonight. Matter of fact, one of my
callers informed me about something that I had never heard of.
(25:58):
Have you ever heard of a website called Toro t
u R?
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
And what does that what to do? As far as
you understand.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
It, I never really did. I kind of thought it
was like a mobile app, but it's it's just a
way to It's kind of like a bed and breakfast
only instead of renting somebody's house beyond their car.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah. Right, So therefore, what that what that means is
that I don't know. I assume the FBI is going
to look at the history of the truck, So there
could have been somebody, Uh, this guy rented the truck
that he destroyed in killing fifteen people. I assume I
believe he rented it in Houston and he drove yesterday,
(26:39):
rented it yesterday, and he drove to New Orleans yesterday. Now, well,
it could have. But the point I'm trying to make, Jim,
is that the truck could have been rented by other people,
maybe somebody who decided to drive to Mexico. Let's see
what they come up with. But I just on his
(26:59):
on his status. He's an American citizen who served about
twelve years in the US military and actually was deployed
to Afghanistan from I guess most of two thousand and nine,
two thousand and nine and into twenty ten. If anything,
this case sounds to me more like the Nadal Hassan
case out of Wood, Texas.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Into one thing that came to mind, and you informed
me that what's his namely not part in which I
was kind of wondering about that, but here's there's my
third thing, and you kind of touched on it. You said,
let's see what they come up with. One of the
things that I heard when I was listening on WWL
all day today was the there's the chief of police
(27:45):
or prosecutor somebody by the way with the w.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
W elis those in the audience. That's the New Orleans,
very fine New Orleans radio station.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Very go ahead, Yeah, they're okay. Well, anyway, with the guy,
I don't know what he would but he kept saying,
I'm gonna keep my mouth set for a while, but
he said, if they don't come out with all the
details pretty soon, I'll spill the beans. So he must
know a lot about what's going on, what went on.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I have no idea who that was. I did see
the police superintendent, who I believe happens to be a woman.
She did admit that they that they may have made
the mistake of not restoring what they call it's called
Ballard's b O L A r d s. Those are
the steel posts or cement posts that are are that
(28:39):
block buildings and block streets, and apparently they had removed
some of those, and all they had was a police
car parked at the intersection of Canal and Bourbon Street.
And when this guy came down Canal Street, he just
took a ride on a Bourbon Street, swung around the
police car, went up over the sidewalk and and mowed
(29:00):
down fifteen people. So there was a little bit of
negligence on behalf. I think of the authorities in New
Orleans that might have prevented this.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
This is a little bit long here, but for my break.
But they said something about these orange orange things. I
think they're probably talking about orange jersey plastic jersey barriers. Well,
what happens a lot of times if they just put
those jersey barriers out there, they don't fill them up.
You got to fill them things up with either water
or sand or they're just like having kind of like
(29:34):
a rocking chair there.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, I appreciate your points. Some of them were really
good and some of them I hope we can agree
that I was able to give you a little information
that maybe you didn't have. Appreciate your call. Thank you much.
Speaker 6 (29:48):
Stay off the weed, Dan, I'm not a weed guy.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I think you know that. Thanks very much, appreciate it.
Tim and Wilburn. Tim, welcome next on nightside.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
I granted him from all night. That's the most horrendous
thing I think I ever heard of.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Well, it's pretty horrendous, but I don't know that it's
as horrendous as nine to eleven. To be honest with you. You're
right in terms of the scale the magnitude. But it's
a terrorist attack. Those people twenty four hours ago were
alive just like you and I are, Tim, and now
they're no longer with us. Sad.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Yeah, you're dead on time too.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
Still, I have my night side mug here with a
cup of coffee.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
All right, Well, that'll keep you awake, hey, Tim, Happy
New Year to you and your family. Okay, thank you
so much for checking in. Always good to hear your voice.
Look forward to hearing from you many times throughout the year. Okay,
and at some point we will have a cup of
coffee together.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
That would be great.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Tim, Thanks much, appreciate it.
All right, we got a quick break coming up. I
got a little bit of room for you at one
line at six one seven, two five four ten thirty,
and I got two lines at six one seven nine
three one ten thirty. Uh. We have done nearly three
hours on this. I'm likely to switch topics at eleven
(31:15):
o'clock unless, uh, these lines fill up more quickly. Ron
in Weymouth and Mark and allstin. You guys are all set.
I'm gonna get you in pretty easily, and we have
room for you if you want to dial in. You
got the numbers. Dial away.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Let's keep rolling. They're gonna go to Ron and Weymouth
Ron next on Nightsiger right ahead.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
Well, good evening, Ray and uh, I mean yeah, we know,
good evening and uh and the happy New Year with
a hell of a stat Huh.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, you could call me Dan Ron, go right ahead.
We're on first name.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
It something else going on most I don't know why
I said that, No, prop No, no problem. Sane called
in and a few others. They seem to write all
the softwa as a medical, psychiatric excuse for an attack. Now,
are you telling me that all the attacks in Israel
that they had they write an office that they're just crazy.
I believe it's something going on that we need to
(32:16):
watch very closely, especially radicalize people who have had military
training that did such a thing like this. And then
all the information coming in from the FBI statement that
I have in front of me, the official one today,
it all concludes everything that you've been saying.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
And actually I had that statement as well. And the
thing that is most interesting about that is, obviously the
situation will always change. Let me just really quickly, says
you have it. This was this statement, which basically stated
the obvious. At approximately three point fifteen a Central Standard time,
(33:01):
an individual drove a pickup truck into a crowd of
people on Bourbon Street in New Orleans, killing at least
ten of courses now up to fifteen, injuring dozens of others.
After hitting the crowd, he exited the vehicle and fired
upon local law enforcement. Law enforcement returned fire subject pronounced
deceased at the scene to law enforcement officers injured transport
at a hospital. Subject was identified as we've talked about, forty
(33:24):
two year old shamsud Din Jabbar, US citizen from Texas,
and it goes on the ISIS flag. It says weapons
and potential ied were located in the subject's vehicle. Other
potential IED's were also found located in the French quarter.
That sounds to me like that might be dated information
(33:44):
at this point, right, you know something that situation, well
as that Davis cautioned us during the eight o'clock hour,
will change in the next few days. There also apparently
is an arrest made tonight in Houston. It said that
heavily armed police were spotted detaining a man in Houston.
(34:08):
Now again, I have no idea if this guy is related,
but apparently he was detained near the home. Shirtless man
surrenders outside Houston home of terrorist who mowed down Revelus
in New Orleans report, So this could be some goofball.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
I see all, wasn't I see all the same stuff
that you're saying, but I didn't want to intercede just
briefly here. I believe it's the beginning phase leading up
to more attacks and I think we're going to have
to go back to a nationwide alert system just doesn't
alert you know, police and security and alerts citizens also.
And we had that one time way back. I guess
(34:45):
that was after nine to eleven. I think we had
something like that at an alert system. We need to
get hav an alert system because I don't think people
are understanding that the how bad it is. Oh it's
just another attack. And I think we've we're letting down
our God is what I'm trying to say. Uh, We've
got it. We've got to change, and we can't be
(35:06):
waiting all this time, uh for anything else to happen.
It's it's got to change now. And I think, well, here's.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Here's my here, here's my not a solution, because there's
probably no solution to this. So I think we have
to recognize that there are people amongst us. We live
in a free society. There are people amongst us who
are attracted to some pretty weird activities. And I basically
am saying that if you're, uh, we we should be
(35:33):
able to monitor ISIS sites and find out what Americans
are frequenting those sites. And that's a red flag, just
as if somebody's frequency frequenting a kiddy porn site, that
should be a red flag. Now, you know, I don't
see what's wrong with if someone is going to get
on a public Internet site, I think that their right
(35:58):
of absolute privacy UH is limited there. I think you
know that that we have an obligation to do whatever
we can to to find people who are either going
to abuse children, who are going to be radicalized by ISIS,
(36:20):
or join hate organizations. And I know that my friends
in the a c L you are going to disagree,
but I'm sick of of of the a c L
you saying, oh, you can do whatever you want, but
if you show a proclivity here spending a lot of
time on an ISIS site, you got unless you're a
(36:42):
college professor or or some sort of a researcher, I
think you've got a problem. Just as if you spend
a lot.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Of time on do I do too. I do too, Dan,
and Uh.
Speaker 8 (36:53):
I think that not only do we need justice, we
need the beginning of swift justice. None of this hanging
on with a lot of the legal debuts and all
that let him stay in prison. We need to get
going and show them that we mean business that we're
not going to accept this. The American people want justice
and they want swift justice. Maybe they we'll get that
(37:16):
for the president President.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I don't know. You know, it was interesting. It was
a very quick case. Apparently there was an agreement reached
with the guy who's the head of the head terrorist
at Guantanamo, and they worked a deal where he would
plead guilty and they would take the death penalty off
the table. And apparently the Defense Secretary Secretary of Austin
(37:43):
tried to overturn that decision.
Speaker 8 (37:45):
I heard.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
This to me was insane. Uh. He should have been
up that decision. And a federal judge said no, the
Defense Secretary waited too long uh to make his decision.
And therefore, uh she Muhammad, the guy who was the
mastermind of nine to eleven, we'll never see the death penalty.
(38:10):
Thank you, judge. Wheover the hell you are? How about that?
Speaker 7 (38:12):
Huh?
Speaker 8 (38:13):
So that means we really don't we really don't have
any deterrance no matter what they say. Uh. Oh, well,
you know, if they're caught in the act of doing it.
I mean that's like, don't you think, legally, pretty pretty
pretty big good evidence right in the act of it.
And for oeign countries, you think they wait around they.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Have guy's been Dono for twenty years. Okay, he should
have been taking care of a long time ago.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
Absolutely, I like the other people.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
I like Ron.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I got to get one more in here. We we
went a long time on our topic.
Speaker 7 (38:43):
Here today we did.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
We should thank you?
Speaker 6 (38:45):
Sorry, should you call him?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
No problem, talk to you soon. Let me go to Mark.
You knows, Mark going to wrap the hour for us.
Speaker 9 (38:51):
Go happy New Year.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
I get you.
Speaker 9 (38:58):
I actually used very little social media, just a little
bit of LinkedIn, the ultra respectable uh social media that's
devoted to career development.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I agree, I'm on LinkedIn to Mark as a matter
of fact.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
But I do think that it's possible to overdose on
social media. Back I guess last may. I have a
friend at synagogue who well was following the whole Israel
(39:44):
Palestrini and Arab war, and yet got a bit overwrought, and.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
You know it took what happened to him? What happened?
Speaker 9 (39:58):
Oh, he's fine, he's fine now, but his wife, who's
a social worker, had to say, watch it hunting.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I mean, yeah, a lot of people spend spend too
much time on social media. Absolutely, and if you but
again to follow the Israeli you know, hajmas war right thing,
But to hang out on ISIS sites and get radicalized,
(40:34):
that's something quite different. And you know in terms of we, well,
we see the result. We just see the result. Obviously,
you know what the result was for fifteen people did Well.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
Isn't it possible to draw up a probable cause level
case if somebody's doing too much of that stuff?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Well, I think at a minimum, there should be some
sort of awareness by you know, by authorities that somebody
spending a lot of time on ISIS. I would go
and interview that individual. We have a right to knock
on the door and say, hey, I'd like to talk
to you again. You're on a what is theoretically a
(41:22):
public website, okay, you know, and and I think that
you have surrendered some of your personal your your privacy
rights when you're on a website that is uh that
is as dangerous as UH as isis ISIS website or
(41:42):
a kiddie porn website. I think you got to look
at them the same way.
Speaker 9 (41:45):
In my opinion, Well, doesn't the FBI actually catch people
sometimes using the.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh yeah they could. Yeah, sure, yeah, they can sort
of put people out there and sometimes they think they're
talking to an eleven year old girl or a ten
year old boy, and when they show up for the
meeting with them, Hello, you're talking with FBI agents. Yeah,
that's that's that's conceivable as well. So I don't know. Hey, Mark,
(42:20):
I'm up at my eleven o'clock news. We gotta let
you run, my friend, Okay, we'll talk. So thanks, Happy
New Year to you and yours.
Speaker 9 (42:27):
Thanks, thanks walking up.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Here comes the eleven. We'll be back right after the eleven,
And I think I'm going to change topics at eleven,
so we'll see if I get something that might interest
you even more than this terrorism attack. It's a tough
way to start the year, but we're going to talk
about a little lighter topic at eleven. Coming back on
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