January 1, 2025 • 40 mins
Dan discussed the New Orleans attack that occurred early New Years Day, killing 15 people.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This night side with Dan Ray on WBZ Constance new video.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Just following up on the story that we're dealing with.
We intended to do a very different show tonight, but
unfortunately the events in New Orleans have kind of overtaken us,
and we are talking about the terror attack that took
place at about three point fifteen local time in New
Orleans this morning while most of us were asleep. I'm
sure by this point all of you have begun to
(00:30):
get onto the story. But now I'm looking at some
of the New York papers, specifically the New York Post.
First of all, they show the house where this guy
lived in Houston, and apparently he was living in a
trailer park. He was in big trouble financially. He had
started some sort of a real estate company in twenty
(00:50):
twenty one, which had gone belly up, been through a
couple of divorces. According to the Post, individual who we
have now it's we have come to know him by
the name samshud Din Jabbar Us that hasen served in
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the US military. A lot of pictures of him in
US Military of Army uniforms. He he apparently lived in
a squalid area of Houston in an area where I
guess next to his home or sheep and goats. It
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did look very upscale, So this guy was obviously down
and out. He made some videos, according to the New
York Post, confessing to a plan. He did have an
ISIS flag off the back of the truck as it
plowed down Bourbon Street. Clearly he had been radicalized.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
The FBI now, according to the Post, is ruling out
the involvement of three men in one woman who allegedly
have been seen perhaps depositing some form of IEDs planting
IEDs around New Orleans near the terror attack. As I
mentioned earlier, that could be obviously a set of circumstances
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where somebody, again at three point thirty of the morning,
is a little overtaken by the revelie of the evening
and they decide to leave a package or something, and
obviously you always assume the worst. But the FBI now
is ruling out the involvement of them, although they are
still saying that maybe others involved. So there is a
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lot to cover. If you'd like to join the conversation.
We had a really interesting caller last hour with John
from Acton, who talked about this rental car site, which
I was unaware of. I'm sure some of you are
unaware of it. I'm sure many of you are aware
of it. It's called Toro. And apparently this truck that
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was used as the murder weapon, and apparently, by the way,
this ISIS flag was flying off the back of his truck.
And the first video that I saw, the first photograph,
it was covered by a jacket. So I'm assuming that
some well meaning civilians saw the ISIS flag after the
shootout and he was dead in the ground, they probably
(03:23):
covered up that flag. But yeah, he had the audacity
to fly the ISIS flag. And then the question is
how many others are in our midst This is an
American citizen, he says, an American as you and I.
Shamshood Din Jabbar served a dozen years in the US military,
deployed to Afghanistan. Let's get back to the calls. We'll
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continue for this for a little while. We had planned
a very different program tonight, and for those of you
who are expecting to talk about New Year's resolutions, we
may get to that. We may get to thoughts about
Jimmy Carter, the oldest living president, who passed earlier this
week at the age of one hundred. And also this
horrific malaise that I've been fighting speaking Jimmy Carter, upper
(04:11):
respiratory illness, bronchitis. Let's get back to Patrick in Washington,
d C. Patrick, thanks for holding through the news. Go
right ahead, all right.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
So here's here's something else that's also interesting because we
have we can think here on your radio program. That's
one of the great things about myself.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It is allowed, Patrick, it is allowed to actually encourage
Go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
One hundred and eighty miles down south of Washington, d C.
The FBI on December seventeenth raided a house where they
had one hundred and fifty bombs and all sorts of ammunitions.
The FBI is saying this is the largest weapons catch
in their history that they have won.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Now, that is a story that I did not see.
Did it get much national publicity?
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Pat BBC.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
December seventeenth, It was the store, was the arrest, and
it's a day old.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It's a day old, right, No, I didn't see this. Look,
I did not watch every newscast during my time off.
But did this if it is the largest cash of
weapons ever discovered by the FBI. Did it get not
get a little publicity or national publicity? National? I never
saw that story.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Here's here's the quote, preliminary assessed as the largest seizure
by a number of finished explosive devices in FBI history.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay, I got that, But my question is maybe you
kind of answer it. I don't remember recall seeing that.
I watched news periodically. I didn't watch it as I
watch it when I'm working. To be honest with.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
You, Okay, well, there's something that you know, it's big
and not everybody carries everything with the BBC, you know
runs so.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
So what you're saying it was on the BBC, right,
it was on the British broad BBC, But I didn't
I got to be honest with you. Maybe some others
have seen that. Did they have any sort of idea
as to who these people were who were collecting such
such an arsenal.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
A man and his wife who lived there with his
two children.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And here you go, right, a man and his wife
who just liked to collect weaponry, but did not were
they associated with any given any.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
He has he has a hashtag that no lives, madam.
Is that that's any indication? But anyway, we're going a
little bit too off the we're getting a little well, anyway,
this was well you brought it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
You brought it up, which is okay, and I find
it intriguing brought it up. So but but but that's okay.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
This is my neighbor where you say you see something,
say something. Well, this is where a neighbor said you
saw something, and he said something, and so in the
FBI goes in, it says, oh what are you doing?
And yeah, they had some really dangerous chemicals there that
could explode very easy. They had a bunch of fifty
caliber firearms.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, I'm looking at it right here. I'm looking at
a report out of a local television station, Local twelve,
which is w k RC, which I believe is in
Newport News, Virginia. So the guy's name is Brad. Spafford
was arrested on December seventeenth after the police found him
with an unregistered weapon. Authorities that obtained a search one
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for his property. They found a stockpilot more than one
hundred and fifty homemade improvised explosive devices IEDs, assessed as
pipe bombs. Some of these devices were marked lethal. Some
of the devices were found in a detached garage, where
the FBI also found tools in manufacturing materials, including homelind
fuses and pieces of PVC pipe. Several additional apparent UH
(08:05):
pipe bombs were found in a backpack in the home's bedroom.
NBC reported the backpack had No Lives Matter written on it, which,
according to the New Jersey Office of Homeland Security, is
an extremist group who promotes mass killings and other crimes.
NBC They're they're quoting NBC here. Uh So, a local
(08:28):
judge released this guy with electronic monitoring, but he'll remain
in custody until a hearing with a federal judge takes place. Interesting,
interesting story, Patrick, that you brought to our attention, which
was certainly cause cause for concern.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, Joy, because they're just like just what our friend
brought up about this this ride, this car share thing
that is really a scary liability for all of us.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Have you ever heard of to ro No, No.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I have not, but I can imagine that there is
such a thing, and that's very dangerous. And the insurance
regulators and the state legislators have to put this down
because you know, we can stop that if we hold
one of these owners responsible for a deed that somebody
uses with their vehicle.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Well, I don't know that you can do that unless
you can prove that the owner of the vehicle was
told or was complicit in it. I mean, if if
it's legal, I mean, if I can put an ad
somewhere and say, gee, I have an extra car in
my garage that I'm not using because my kid's away
at college, and if you want to rent the car
from me, here's my name and number. I mean, I
(09:41):
don't know that that's illegal.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
If I use your vehicle go through a red light
camera or a puto enforcement speed, you're responsible for that ticket,
not me.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Uh, I know, but I'm going to pay the ticket
and then I'm going to try to get the money
back from you. But at the same time, if you
take that vehicle and you use it in a manner,
it'd be very reasonable for me to assume that my
friend Patrick might occasionally go through a red light or
not fully stop at a stop sign. But I don't
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think that it's reasonable for me to assume that my
men Matt Patrick, when to say you're gonna wrint my vehicle?
Are you going to drive this down Bourbon Street and
kill fifteen people. I mean, there's a different level of
responsibility there.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
My friend, something to think about, something that they all right,
go on to the next and we will see what
happens in the next few days.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
It's going to be fascinating to see with this story.
You know, it started off this morning they said classic
law lone wolf, that was what they were saying. And
then as the day went on, they said, well, may
have been other people involved, and his ed Davis told
us in the last hour they're still looking at other
potential connections here. Boy, the more I look at this,
(11:00):
if you look at the New York Post stories about
where this guy was living in a real rim shackle
uh trailer park with goats sheep. Now again I realize
it's Texas, it's not Massachusetts, but that's proof.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
I'd be in hell, Billy Bless Bliss. I wouldn't need
to go out and kill anybody. I would have all
my chickens and all my ducks and everybody that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Means sheep and goats, you know, have the run of
this Rundown trailer park where he kept sheeping goats in
the yard shamps champsu Dingjibar Patrick has always Thank you much,
my friend. You brought an interesting story to the to
the conversation tonight. Thank you much.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
All right, thank you, sir.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Keep an eye on that for us, will yeah, okay, thanks,
talk to you soon. We'll take quick break six one seven,
two five four to ten thirty six seven, nine thirty.
I'd like to get your reaction to what went on
in New Orleans about eighteen hours ago. I mean, as always,
the sad part about these stories is just to think,
eighteen hours ago or less, these fifteen people were either
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preparing to go out and celebrate New Year's Eve in
New Orleans, or or they were already out celebrating New
Year's Eve in New Orleans, and little did they know
that a few hours later they would be killed by
a terrorist lone wolf otherwise, who decided to drive this
(12:30):
truck that was rented through this interesting website, this interesting
app Touro t u ro, which I had never heard of.
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Speaker 1 (12:52):
This Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window
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Speaker 2 (13:00):
Radio, we're talking about what happened in New Orleans. Let's
go to Steven Bridgewater. Steve, You're next night Side. Welcome
and happy New Year, Steve.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yeah, Dan, happy to you. I hope you enjoyed your
time off.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I did. Happy to be back, nonetheless, and just sorry
to start off with the year with such a down
and we had sort of a different show planned. If
people are not interested in talking about this, we can
move back to some of the lighter topics. But go
right ahead, Steve, what's your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Yeah. I turned the news on this morning, like I
always do on Fox News, and I hear this thing.
I said, Oh, nice way to stop the year off.
Huh yeah, yeah, unbelievable, And I just got a question
about it. They said that he had some remote in
the truck and they found all these bombs all over
the place. They start with eyes, the same ones they
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did have blown up our soldiers in Iraq? What do
they call them? They that with an.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Ideas, I improvised, exposed the devices, I eds.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Right, and they found a remote in the truck. Do
you think the idea was he was going to explode them,
but he got killed them to shootout first, because.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I would assume, I would assume. So now again, I
don't know, will never know, We'll never know. I'm sure
the authorities can figure that out. What we were told
earlier today was that the FBI were looking at some
unknown individuals who were seen putting things in the neighborhood
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of where this all happened. And Davis, who we spoke
with at eight o five tonight, said that you've got
to be a little careful on that because sometimes, again,
it's three o'clock in the morning in New Orleans on
Bourbon Street and everybody's probably feeling a little happy and loose,
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and there could be people who were, you know, putting things,
putting a beer can down on the sidewalk, and from
a you know, I think, if I recall correctly, alcohol
consumption is allowed on Bourbon Street, I could see people
walking and then putting a container down on a sidewalk,
and from some security camp, you know, one hundred feet away,
(15:20):
might look like a pretty suspicious activity. Uh. But apparently,
according to the New York Post tonight, the New York
Post is reporting uh that uh that this, uh that
that is no longer. They do not they're not looking
at at at local people, uh, you know, in the
New Orleans area. So yeah, that's what the post. FBI
(15:46):
rules out involvement of three men one woman allegedly seen
planting I e eds around New Orleans near attack. Feds
have ruled out the ISIS flag flying terrorists who killed
that the that the ice IS flag flying terrorists who
killed at least fifteen people and injured dozens of others
had help from four people spotted on surveillance footage near
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the deadly attack On Wednesday, Video silverivance from the French
Quarter seemingly showed three men and one woman planting explosives
at multiple locations, a federal alert to police departments around
the country said soon after the tragic attack. Federal authorities
have since ruled out their involvement in the attack, but
still suggested that terror suspect shamsu Din Jabbar was not
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solely responsible for the carnage.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Right, they'll never know.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
They might never know.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, they should eventually know, because even though this guy's dead,
I'm sure he left some sort of an electronic trail.
I think he had a phone, even if it was
a burner phone. They can probably get some information off
of that. Maybe he was a loner who pulled us
off by himself to some extent. If that were true,
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it would probably come some concerns. But if there are
other people who are working with him on it, who
are they? Where did they go? I mean this guy,
This guy served in the army for over ten years.
He came out with a rank of staff sergeant. He
tried to start some sort of a real estate business,
which apparently didn't work, and his life spiral downward. He's
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now forty two years He was forty two years old,
divorced twice, in bankruptcy, living in a trailer park in
a Rundown section of Houston.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, but he was not, you know, he was not
an illegally immigrants. He was born in this country.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
That's what I understand. He served in the US military
for ten years or ten plus years, was deployed to Afghanistan.
Remember the major Major Nadal Hassan, the guy at Fort
Hood who gunned down I think it was thirteen US
service personnel back in two thousand and nine. He's still
on federal death row. By the way, he did not
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get a pardon from President Biden. So I would suspect
that shortly after Donald Trump becomes president, if his appeals
have run out, his life can be probably measured in
a matter of hours rather than weeks, or days rather
than weeks.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
I should say, yeah, yeah, all right, Dan, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Appreciate your call. Thank you much, take a break. Six
one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, triple eight nine
to nine ten thirty and six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. I hope that my audience realizes I'm
back tonight. Look, if you don't want to talk about
this topic, which I can understand, we can move on
to the to the other topics that we had promoted tonight. Uh,
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if you'd like to continue to talk about what happened
in New Orleans, And again, what happened in New Orleans
happened just eighteen hours ago. Those fifteen people were as
a lie as you and I are right now eighteen
hours ago. Little did they know that they only had
a brief period of time in which to live. Uh,
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this is a horrible way to start the new year.
But if you want to talk about it. Six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty, six one seven, nine three one ten
thirty feel free to call in, and if not, I'm
going to move on to a different topic back on
night Side right after this.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
If you're on night Side with Dan Ray on wz
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
It's just interesting that people go out to celebrate New
Year's Eve and little do they know that their their
time is so limited.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Just horrific. Lola joins us from San Diego, Lolla, welcome, happy,
Sorry starting this topic.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, well it's not. I don't even know way to
begin to explain my discussed and disappointment with this country.
This guy's been amassing all this stuff, and how did
he get it all together? Nobody, you know, every there's
a camera on every corner. They're watching what we say
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on Facebook, Instagram, and they can't figure this out.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I think it's a great point you make. According to
according to The New York Post, I love that paper.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I love that paper.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Made videos where he confessed to planning murder his family.
He claimed he joined Isis now. I haven't seen the videos,
but if the New York Post can figure them out
now Again, I don't know that they figured him out
ahead of time. They must have gone to his Facebook page,
but is no one else seeing what people are putting up.
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I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
They are watching. I have friends that are in the
health industry and they get their their pages get shut
down because they're talking about you know, natural ways to
stay healthy instead of getting the jab. Okay, now A
I A I. Anybody saying the word blue, they search it.
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Boom this guy, that guy, that guy. They could put
words in the search and do it. They're just not
doing it. You know what just reminded me of the
marathon bombers.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Well, we talked last how that happened.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
We talked, we talked last hour with former police Commissioner
At Davis, who of course was in charge of the
marathon bombing investigation. And as you may know, I'm sure
you know because you follow this pretty closely. FBI agents
interviewed the two brothers before the bombing, before the bombing,
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and I gotta believe that if the FBI wanted to
go after you or me, they.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Could find something.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You know, Harvey Silberbley has written the book Three Felonies
a Day. I just I mean, did this guy never
disclose to anyone what he was thinking? Now you could say, Okay,
this guy's insane. Let's assume you say he's insane, he's
lost his mind. But I assumed that this guy must
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have told other people. Yeah, you know, I feel like
doing this. We had a guy up in Maine, the
guy up in Maine a couple of years ago who
killed I don't know what was fifteen or sixteen people
at two locations of Bowling Alley and elsewhere. He had
been interviewed. He was also a former military guy who
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loved his weapons, and he he was interviewed and and
and he was allowed to keep his weapons and it
costs fifteen sixteen whatever then ever people were in main.
I don't know if you remember that story.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
It's a huge story back here, Lola, Yep.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah. But they can search anything, That's what I'm trying
to tell you. On Facebook and Instagram. If you start
talking like health stuff, oh your page goes down.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well put that aside for a second. If that's true,
and I suspect it is, why are they not searching
for ISIS and attacked?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I want and what I want to know.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
There's got to be twenty keywords that these folks could
go through. And anyone who's watching ISIS videos, Uh, I
think they deserve it. They deserve at this point, a
visit from from the.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
FBI, well they deserve someone will.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Say, well, what's your Probably someone the ACOU is going
to say to me, what's your probable cause you're just
looking at it at ISIS videos. Have you ever looked
at an ISIS video? I have no, No, I have
no interest in it. Now if look, if I was
a counter terrorism expert and I had to because of
my job watch ISIS videos, if the FBI came knocking
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at the door and said, what are you doing looking
at the ISIS videos? I could easily say, look, that's
part of my job. I work for you know, the FBI,
just like you. But if I'm some Joe schmuck who's
looking at it's like someone who's looking at child pornography.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah, they can yeah, and they're not doing
a good job about that either.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
But right, but I'm saying I'm more concerned about that
as opposed to somebody who's talking about holistic medicine or
or you know, different type of medical meda teddy medications
that might be more effective than.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
My point was. My point about that was if they
can find people looking about that, why can't they find
them about looking about any other code words, you know,
like come on, come on.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I mean, I would think if they they should have
been looking like the kid in Wisconsin who took a
shot at President elect Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Not Wisconsin, Butler, Pennsylvania.
This kid, the age of twenty, all of a sudden
decides to buy a weapon and uh and take a
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shot that nearly kills a presidential candidate who now is
the president elect. And that was who this kid was
ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Well, that Luigi kid. There were flags all over the place,
and his own mother, his own mother said to the
FBI or whoever went knocking on her door, Oh yeah,
that could have been my that could have been my son. Well,
you know, could have, should have, would have. But here's
the thing. At the end of the day, there's more
more dead people, more dead Americans. When are we gonna
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wake up? We're our own worst enemy. Oh, we don't
want to be filmed. We don't want this, We don't
want that. As much as I disliked China and I
don't want to buy any thing from there, I don't
see the problems there going on over there like they're
going on over here.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, And I don't want to live in a police
state either.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
But I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
But with as you said, with Ai and with all
of the Internet that we have, if people are looking
at kiddy porn sites, that there needs to be you
need to go check these people out, okay. And if
people are looking at terrorist sites, you need to check
them out. I guess what if people are looking at
ku Klux Klan sites. I mean, there should be a
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much more, in my opinion, affirmative action taken by investigative
agencies to find the people, the male contents among us,
who who have the potential, the Dylan Roofs of the world,
who killed the the black parishioners in South Carolina, all
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of those people they show signs. Lola, I got a screw.
Great to hear your voice.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
We talk, happy new midhand.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
We'll talk all right.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Let me go to Laurie in Idaho. Laurie, welcome, How
are you tonight? Welcome?
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Welcome back. I am yeah, I was busy in the kitchen.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Not the best way to start the new year is that.
I believe my first Texas morning was something like five
thirty my time. But to someone on the East coast,
it's about it was just a capital WTF. And I
get back from the other side of New Orleans. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
You know, we were all on the alert here in Boston,
and maybe because of the marathon bombing. We'll always be
on alert, but it seemed like the city was fairly
buttoned up. They had great first night celebrations in Boston.
I was asleep by eleven thirty, so I missed it all.
Woke up this morning and I thought, well, it was
(27:47):
a pretty quiet evening and all of a sudden, I'm
hearing ten people dead in New Orleans. And of course
as the day went on, I said, I got to
talk about this tonight.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Yeah, I agree, it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Not what I you to talk about. But I think
Lola raised a great question. With all of the the
apparatus that we have available, how come that that this
guy can stay below the radar?
Speaker 7 (28:16):
Well, the only well, I'm obviously our government, I'm sure
has the ability to scan the dark web too, But
part of it is in the dark web because there's
a lot of convolution and being able to hide on it.
But I can't believe that our government doesn't have the
ability to also scan it. But yes, and I felt
the same as she said. I felt the same thing
about the man who shot the excuse me, the United
Health Cookers guy in New York. You have known if
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he was talking to somebody, if there's something else going on,
because you know, they can't help themselves. They get involved
in all these weird social online group and so there
has to be a way to track that. She's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, and I and I realized that that we live
in the freest society in the world, which is great,
but there comes a point in time. I mean there
I keep saying, there are fifteen people dead tonight in
New Orleans who eight eighteen hours ago or well now
maybe seventeen hours ago, uh no, yeah, whatever the number
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were here. Yeah, you know that at this time last night,
they were enjoying the world. They're enjoying it. Well, I
know they probably had tickets to the Sugar Bowl game,
were they probably had a great dinner. They were out
with some drinks with some friends, and in an instant, yeah,
it's over.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Yeah, And it's kind of interesting that New Orleans. What
someone else who called said, you know that the I
think some a little bit. I don't like the FED
stepping on everybody's toes. But maybe get all these large
cities on the same wavelength as far as why weren't
those barriers in place for this kind of event and
they just put cruisers there. But see, I just I
(29:49):
think people think, people think kindly of human being and
human behavior, and it just doesn't cur to you that
some idiot is going to come do this. And unfortunately,
I think that's the world we're in now.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
You look at work all, look at all of the
events that we've that I can think of in the
last few, uh in a couple of years where people
were plowed down, either intentionally or by accident on sidewalks.
And apparently this this truck didn't slam into the police
car at that at the head of Bourbon Street. He
(30:19):
just swung around it and uh and drove down the sidewalk.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, Then apparently they had had a place on Bourbon Street.
They had a place I guess what they call ballards
b O L L A r d s Those either
cement or steel structures. Look, we had we had an
event here in Massachusetts a couple of years ago where
(30:46):
some guy in a parking lot drove his car into
a big Yeah, and and they they said, well, why
weren't there. Look if you look at the Massachusetts State House,
go look at a picture they have them in front
of the state House. You know, well, I guess they
could probably try to smash through them, but they're not coming.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
You know, their insurance company's not gonna pay for their car.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I wouldn't think so. I would think so. But I
just think the idea of why. The question I would
like to ask people right now is do you want
the government to be a little more invasive of people
who are frequenting as you I've never been in the
dark web. I would know how to get in the
dark web. But what I'm saying is if if you
(31:38):
if you're some weirdo who's who's on kiddy porn sites? Uh,
you know, I don't think that. I think that the
there's probable cause there that that if if all of
a sudden they realize, Okay, this guy's on kiddy porn sites,
let's let's go talk to him, let's find out what's
going on. And that's that's a you know, and I
(32:02):
know that some people say to me, well, most people
who are in kidty point sites would never attack a
child I don't care. I don't care, you know, but
if you're okay, you know what said, if your frequency
ices sights, what are you doing that for?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Ye?
Speaker 7 (32:21):
What said? He served in Afghanisa, Afghanistan. Do you suppose
that something triggered over there that he thought, oh well
I can go get you know.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Very possible. Yeah, and he might have. Well, it could
be that maybe over there there were conversations that he
overheard our US troops saying that he felt was disrespectful.
Who knows, We'll never know his mind at this point.
But I've got to tell you we should. We should
(32:52):
get deep into every site that he was on. Let's
figure out who else is on these sites.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
I have to Yeah, no privacy, no, obviously this stuff.
I mean, if you're gonna do anything untoward, then you're
gonna be exposed. It's like, just like if you do
anything untoward in public, it should be the same thing
on the internet as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
But oh sure, Yeah, you walk down the street buck
naked in in the you know, boss the street in Boston,
that's going to cause that's going to cause some some
uh some reaction.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
And I just think the same thing. I just think
that we know that these people get radicalized on ISO sites.
He's got an icest flag. Okay, sorry, why can't we
kill those sites? I mean, is it impossible.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
That's a tough one. But yeah, but but at least
monitor them and you know exactly then to go knock
on their door someday.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know if people are
on some sort of ku klux claim sites. I want
to know who those are those people are as well. Yeah, Laurie,
we're in agreement as always. Hey, Happy New Year.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
Thanks, Happy New Year to you too. I'm sorry. Were
you sick the whole time?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Pretty much? Well not, I mean I had a I'll
talk about it, if not tonight later later this week.
They sent me for chest X right to make sure
I didn't have pneumonia. I was sick. I was pretty
sick for three or four five So I'm coming much better,
much better. One not one day for sixteen hours, I'll
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tell you that.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Wow. Night, that was.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Thanks Laurie.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Talk to you soon, all right, goodnight, welcome back, Happy
New York.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Thanks much. Okay, take very quick break, we will. I'll
take a couple more calls of this. I will switch
topics at ten, because I think that no one either
wants to talk about this or feels that there's much
they can add to the conversation. Six one seven thirty
if you want to try, or six one seven nine
thirty coming back right after the break here at night Side.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Now back to Dan Way live from the window World
to night Sight Studios. I'm WBZ New Radio.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Okay, back to college. We all y's go to ron
Is in Newton. Ron welcome back, How are you wrong? Welcome,
Happy New Year?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Hi again happening You're welcome back. Really glad to have
you back. Job anyway, have you ever thought about the
timeline that led up to nine to eleven, nineteen ninety
three when ronson usef Ye come back to.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Take down with the bombing there in the in the garage, yep.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Okay boy, And that was the beginnings. He escaped. He
later went to They caught him in in the Philippines
at one point making he and some other individuals making bombs.
Mohammad the person who flew Flight eleven into Tower one,
(36:01):
he was an architect. He was he was trained in
Cairo than Germany.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Smart guy.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
And they hambered the four in the Hamburg, Germany, so
for a while, and then they came over to Florida
and they had extensive flight lessons. In fact, they had
much more than the forty hours usually necessary for doing
this alf they had one hundred ninety hours.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
And then but then there were there were reports back
on those guys. They didn't want to learn how to
take the take off or land. They just wanted to
know how to playing with the up of the air
And there was an FBI agent, a woman out of
then Minneapolis office, who tried to get the word up
the chain of command and it never got up there.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Well there was yeah, that supposedly they were siloed. The
CIA and FBI worked more siloed than they than they
are now. I mean, hopefully they advanced I think they have.
But you know, along that timeline, subsequently the bombings and
Somalia outside the US and the site and then following
(37:11):
that the uh that's right. And even before that, Ronja
Yusuf was involved with a what they call the Badjinka plot,
where they were going to actually the plan was to
fly twelve airliners into different points of the viewers, in fact,
with the hope of hitting some nucleosytes and even all
(37:37):
the way up till August of two thousand and one.
These guys were pretty active. And the second so the
Terran that flew into the tower, he was Uh, he
was he was trained in engineering. He understood that the
stress points of the buildings. They took field trips into
(37:58):
New York City. Uh and uh it was. I don't
know if she's ever seen or heard some of the
Yosama bin Laden training manual.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, no, you know all of that, and so sore,
where are you taking me? I I'm familiar with everything
you've said.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
My point is, yeah, My point is that everybody's been
talking about what the FBI may be watching in this country,
but a lot of that can easily be orchestrated outside
of the country. That's my point.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
No, but you know what I'm saying, But right no
one can be and you and and I think we've
done a pretty good job protecting the terrorist attacks. Since
were the Boston bombers, they were they were, they came
here and we're in the process of becoming American citizens.
This guy was an American citizen. Nadal Hassan the major
in the military at Fort Hood. He was an American citizen.
(38:52):
He was in the US military. Now we have homegrown
this guy apparently was born here in Texas. There was
some ONUS reports earlier today about how he got here.
But this guy apparently was a US citizen born in Texas.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Yeah. Well, one of the hijackers too had been in
the military and in a counter terrorism division, so he
knew how to make bombs. He knew all of that.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
One of the hijackers, one of the nineteen hijackers.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yep, oh I was.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
I'm unfamiliar with that.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
I'll get it to tomorrow. But anyway, my my point,
I guess in general is that some of this stuff,
like the stuff that was going on in the Philippines
for the you know they how closely do they monitor
it there or can they.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Well I don't know the cooperation with other countries, the
Philippines that has had their own problems with you know,
homegrown terrorists there. Ron So I mean, I I'm just
trying to put my arms around something we can do,
and that is we should be able to monitor the
is of sites and if somebody's going to the ISI sites. Look,
if there's some college professors doing research, that's fine, But
(40:08):
if all of a sudden you go into some guys room,
you're knocking the door, he opens the door, there's three
iceis flags there. Now you got somebody you at least
can begin to keep an eye on him. Hey, Ron,
I am up against my break, so I got to
let you go. But thanks so much for checking in. Okay,
we will talk soon many times this year. Thanks thanks Ron.
All Right, those in the line stay there. If you'd
(40:28):
like to continue to talk about this, you have the
number six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Sandra and Carver
will get to you for sure. Anyone else would like
to talk on this subject. If not, we're going to
move to a different topic. I think it's extremely important.
I hope you would as well. I know it's kind
of a downer on January first, but I don't think
(40:50):
we have a choice. We've done two hours. I'm willing
to talk more, or we can switch. Coming back on
night side
This night side with Dan Ray on WBZ Constance new video.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Just following up on the story that we're dealing with.
We intended to do a very different show tonight, but
unfortunately the events in New Orleans have kind of overtaken us,
and we are talking about the terror attack that took
place at about three point fifteen local time in New
Orleans this morning while most of us were asleep. I'm
sure by this point all of you have begun to
(00:30):
get onto the story. But now I'm looking at some
of the New York papers, specifically the New York Post.
First of all, they show the house where this guy
lived in Houston, and apparently he was living in a
trailer park. He was in big trouble financially. He had
started some sort of a real estate company in twenty
(00:50):
twenty one, which had gone belly up, been through a
couple of divorces. According to the Post, individual who we
have now it's we have come to know him by
the name samshud Din Jabbar Us that hasen served in
(01:11):
the US military. A lot of pictures of him in
US Military of Army uniforms. He he apparently lived in
a squalid area of Houston in an area where I
guess next to his home or sheep and goats. It
(01:34):
did look very upscale, So this guy was obviously down
and out. He made some videos, according to the New
York Post, confessing to a plan. He did have an
ISIS flag off the back of the truck as it
plowed down Bourbon Street. Clearly he had been radicalized.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
The FBI now, according to the Post, is ruling out
the involvement of three men in one woman who allegedly
have been seen perhaps depositing some form of IEDs planting
IEDs around New Orleans near the terror attack. As I
mentioned earlier, that could be obviously a set of circumstances
(02:17):
where somebody, again at three point thirty of the morning,
is a little overtaken by the revelie of the evening
and they decide to leave a package or something, and
obviously you always assume the worst. But the FBI now
is ruling out the involvement of them, although they are
still saying that maybe others involved. So there is a
(02:39):
lot to cover. If you'd like to join the conversation.
We had a really interesting caller last hour with John
from Acton, who talked about this rental car site, which
I was unaware of. I'm sure some of you are
unaware of it. I'm sure many of you are aware
of it. It's called Toro. And apparently this truck that
(03:01):
was used as the murder weapon, and apparently, by the way,
this ISIS flag was flying off the back of his truck.
And the first video that I saw, the first photograph,
it was covered by a jacket. So I'm assuming that
some well meaning civilians saw the ISIS flag after the
shootout and he was dead in the ground, they probably
(03:23):
covered up that flag. But yeah, he had the audacity
to fly the ISIS flag. And then the question is
how many others are in our midst This is an
American citizen, he says, an American as you and I.
Shamshood Din Jabbar served a dozen years in the US military,
deployed to Afghanistan. Let's get back to the calls. We'll
(03:46):
continue for this for a little while. We had planned
a very different program tonight, and for those of you
who are expecting to talk about New Year's resolutions, we
may get to that. We may get to thoughts about
Jimmy Carter, the oldest living president, who passed earlier this
week at the age of one hundred. And also this
horrific malaise that I've been fighting speaking Jimmy Carter, upper
(04:11):
respiratory illness, bronchitis. Let's get back to Patrick in Washington,
d C. Patrick, thanks for holding through the news. Go
right ahead, all right.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
So here's here's something else that's also interesting because we
have we can think here on your radio program. That's
one of the great things about myself.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It is allowed, Patrick, it is allowed to actually encourage
Go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
One hundred and eighty miles down south of Washington, d C.
The FBI on December seventeenth raided a house where they
had one hundred and fifty bombs and all sorts of ammunitions.
The FBI is saying this is the largest weapons catch
in their history that they have won.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Now, that is a story that I did not see.
Did it get much national publicity?
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Pat BBC.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
December seventeenth, It was the store, was the arrest, and
it's a day old.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It's a day old, right, No, I didn't see this. Look,
I did not watch every newscast during my time off.
But did this if it is the largest cash of
weapons ever discovered by the FBI. Did it get not
get a little publicity or national publicity? National? I never
saw that story.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Here's here's the quote, preliminary assessed as the largest seizure
by a number of finished explosive devices in FBI history.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay, I got that, But my question is maybe you
kind of answer it. I don't remember recall seeing that.
I watched news periodically. I didn't watch it as I
watch it when I'm working. To be honest with.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
You, Okay, well, there's something that you know, it's big
and not everybody carries everything with the BBC, you know
runs so.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
So what you're saying it was on the BBC, right,
it was on the British broad BBC, But I didn't
I got to be honest with you. Maybe some others
have seen that. Did they have any sort of idea
as to who these people were who were collecting such
such an arsenal.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
A man and his wife who lived there with his
two children.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And here you go, right, a man and his wife
who just liked to collect weaponry, but did not were
they associated with any given any.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
He has he has a hashtag that no lives, madam.
Is that that's any indication? But anyway, we're going a
little bit too off the we're getting a little well, anyway,
this was well you brought it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
You brought it up, which is okay, and I find
it intriguing brought it up. So but but but that's okay.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
This is my neighbor where you say you see something,
say something. Well, this is where a neighbor said you
saw something, and he said something, and so in the
FBI goes in, it says, oh what are you doing?
And yeah, they had some really dangerous chemicals there that
could explode very easy. They had a bunch of fifty
caliber firearms.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, I'm looking at it right here. I'm looking at
a report out of a local television station, Local twelve,
which is w k RC, which I believe is in
Newport News, Virginia. So the guy's name is Brad. Spafford
was arrested on December seventeenth after the police found him
with an unregistered weapon. Authorities that obtained a search one
(07:41):
for his property. They found a stockpilot more than one
hundred and fifty homemade improvised explosive devices IEDs, assessed as
pipe bombs. Some of these devices were marked lethal. Some
of the devices were found in a detached garage, where
the FBI also found tools in manufacturing materials, including homelind
fuses and pieces of PVC pipe. Several additional apparent UH
(08:05):
pipe bombs were found in a backpack in the home's bedroom.
NBC reported the backpack had No Lives Matter written on it, which,
according to the New Jersey Office of Homeland Security, is
an extremist group who promotes mass killings and other crimes.
NBC They're they're quoting NBC here. Uh So, a local
(08:28):
judge released this guy with electronic monitoring, but he'll remain
in custody until a hearing with a federal judge takes place. Interesting,
interesting story, Patrick, that you brought to our attention, which
was certainly cause cause for concern.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, Joy, because they're just like just what our friend
brought up about this this ride, this car share thing
that is really a scary liability for all of us.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Have you ever heard of to ro No, No.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I have not, but I can imagine that there is
such a thing, and that's very dangerous. And the insurance
regulators and the state legislators have to put this down
because you know, we can stop that if we hold
one of these owners responsible for a deed that somebody
uses with their vehicle.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Well, I don't know that you can do that unless
you can prove that the owner of the vehicle was
told or was complicit in it. I mean, if if
it's legal, I mean, if I can put an ad
somewhere and say, gee, I have an extra car in
my garage that I'm not using because my kid's away
at college, and if you want to rent the car
from me, here's my name and number. I mean, I
(09:41):
don't know that that's illegal.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
If I use your vehicle go through a red light
camera or a puto enforcement speed, you're responsible for that ticket,
not me.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Uh, I know, but I'm going to pay the ticket
and then I'm going to try to get the money
back from you. But at the same time, if you
take that vehicle and you use it in a manner,
it'd be very reasonable for me to assume that my
friend Patrick might occasionally go through a red light or
not fully stop at a stop sign. But I don't
(10:16):
think that it's reasonable for me to assume that my
men Matt Patrick, when to say you're gonna wrint my vehicle?
Are you going to drive this down Bourbon Street and
kill fifteen people. I mean, there's a different level of
responsibility there.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
My friend, something to think about, something that they all right,
go on to the next and we will see what
happens in the next few days.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
It's going to be fascinating to see with this story.
You know, it started off this morning they said classic
law lone wolf, that was what they were saying. And
then as the day went on, they said, well, may
have been other people involved, and his ed Davis told
us in the last hour they're still looking at other
potential connections here. Boy, the more I look at this,
(11:00):
if you look at the New York Post stories about
where this guy was living in a real rim shackle
uh trailer park with goats sheep. Now again I realize
it's Texas, it's not Massachusetts, but that's proof.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
I'd be in hell, Billy Bless Bliss. I wouldn't need
to go out and kill anybody. I would have all
my chickens and all my ducks and everybody that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Means sheep and goats, you know, have the run of
this Rundown trailer park where he kept sheeping goats in
the yard shamps champsu Dingjibar Patrick has always Thank you much,
my friend. You brought an interesting story to the to
the conversation tonight. Thank you much.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
All right, thank you, sir.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Keep an eye on that for us, will yeah, okay, thanks,
talk to you soon. We'll take quick break six one seven,
two five four to ten thirty six seven, nine thirty.
I'd like to get your reaction to what went on
in New Orleans about eighteen hours ago. I mean, as always,
the sad part about these stories is just to think,
eighteen hours ago or less, these fifteen people were either
(12:10):
preparing to go out and celebrate New Year's Eve in
New Orleans, or or they were already out celebrating New
Year's Eve in New Orleans, and little did they know
that a few hours later they would be killed by
a terrorist lone wolf otherwise, who decided to drive this
(12:30):
truck that was rented through this interesting website, this interesting
app Touro t u ro, which I had never heard of.
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Speaker 1 (12:52):
This Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window
World Nightside Studios on WBZ News.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Radio, we're talking about what happened in New Orleans. Let's
go to Steven Bridgewater. Steve, You're next night Side. Welcome
and happy New Year, Steve.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yeah, Dan, happy to you. I hope you enjoyed your
time off.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I did. Happy to be back, nonetheless, and just sorry
to start off with the year with such a down
and we had sort of a different show planned. If
people are not interested in talking about this, we can
move back to some of the lighter topics. But go
right ahead, Steve, what's your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Yeah. I turned the news on this morning, like I
always do on Fox News, and I hear this thing.
I said, Oh, nice way to stop the year off.
Huh yeah, yeah, unbelievable, And I just got a question
about it. They said that he had some remote in
the truck and they found all these bombs all over
the place. They start with eyes, the same ones they
(13:52):
did have blown up our soldiers in Iraq? What do
they call them? They that with an.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Ideas, I improvised, exposed the devices, I eds.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Right, and they found a remote in the truck. Do
you think the idea was he was going to explode them,
but he got killed them to shootout first, because.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I would assume, I would assume. So now again, I
don't know, will never know, We'll never know. I'm sure
the authorities can figure that out. What we were told
earlier today was that the FBI were looking at some
unknown individuals who were seen putting things in the neighborhood
(14:35):
of where this all happened. And Davis, who we spoke
with at eight o five tonight, said that you've got
to be a little careful on that because sometimes, again,
it's three o'clock in the morning in New Orleans on
Bourbon Street and everybody's probably feeling a little happy and loose,
(14:58):
and there could be people who were, you know, putting things,
putting a beer can down on the sidewalk, and from
a you know, I think, if I recall correctly, alcohol
consumption is allowed on Bourbon Street, I could see people
walking and then putting a container down on a sidewalk,
and from some security camp, you know, one hundred feet away,
(15:20):
might look like a pretty suspicious activity. Uh. But apparently,
according to the New York Post tonight, the New York
Post is reporting uh that uh that this, uh that
that is no longer. They do not they're not looking
at at at local people, uh, you know, in the
New Orleans area. So yeah, that's what the post. FBI
(15:46):
rules out involvement of three men one woman allegedly seen
planting I e eds around New Orleans near attack. Feds
have ruled out the ISIS flag flying terrorists who killed
that the that the ice IS flag flying terrorists who
killed at least fifteen people and injured dozens of others
had help from four people spotted on surveillance footage near
(16:08):
the deadly attack On Wednesday, Video silverivance from the French
Quarter seemingly showed three men and one woman planting explosives
at multiple locations, a federal alert to police departments around
the country said soon after the tragic attack. Federal authorities
have since ruled out their involvement in the attack, but
still suggested that terror suspect shamsu Din Jabbar was not
(16:29):
solely responsible for the carnage.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Right, they'll never know.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
They might never know.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Well, they should eventually know, because even though this guy's dead,
I'm sure he left some sort of an electronic trail.
I think he had a phone, even if it was
a burner phone. They can probably get some information off
of that. Maybe he was a loner who pulled us
off by himself to some extent. If that were true,
(16:58):
it would probably come some concerns. But if there are
other people who are working with him on it, who
are they? Where did they go? I mean this guy,
This guy served in the army for over ten years.
He came out with a rank of staff sergeant. He
tried to start some sort of a real estate business,
which apparently didn't work, and his life spiral downward. He's
(17:22):
now forty two years He was forty two years old,
divorced twice, in bankruptcy, living in a trailer park in
a Rundown section of Houston.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, but he was not, you know, he was not
an illegally immigrants. He was born in this country.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
That's what I understand. He served in the US military
for ten years or ten plus years, was deployed to Afghanistan.
Remember the major Major Nadal Hassan, the guy at Fort
Hood who gunned down I think it was thirteen US
service personnel back in two thousand and nine. He's still
on federal death row. By the way, he did not
(18:00):
get a pardon from President Biden. So I would suspect
that shortly after Donald Trump becomes president, if his appeals
have run out, his life can be probably measured in
a matter of hours rather than weeks, or days rather
than weeks.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
I should say, yeah, yeah, all right, Dan, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Appreciate your call. Thank you much, take a break. Six
one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, triple eight nine
to nine ten thirty and six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. I hope that my audience realizes I'm
back tonight. Look, if you don't want to talk about
this topic, which I can understand, we can move on
to the to the other topics that we had promoted tonight. Uh,
(18:47):
if you'd like to continue to talk about what happened
in New Orleans, And again, what happened in New Orleans
happened just eighteen hours ago. Those fifteen people were as
a lie as you and I are right now eighteen
hours ago. Little did they know that they only had
a brief period of time in which to live. Uh,
(19:09):
this is a horrible way to start the new year.
But if you want to talk about it. Six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty, six one seven, nine three one ten
thirty feel free to call in, and if not, I'm
going to move on to a different topic back on
night Side right after this.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
If you're on night Side with Dan Ray on wz
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
It's just interesting that people go out to celebrate New
Year's Eve and little do they know that their their
time is so limited.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Just horrific. Lola joins us from San Diego, Lolla, welcome, happy,
Sorry starting this topic.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, well it's not. I don't even know way to
begin to explain my discussed and disappointment with this country.
This guy's been amassing all this stuff, and how did
he get it all together? Nobody, you know, every there's
a camera on every corner. They're watching what we say
(20:18):
on Facebook, Instagram, and they can't figure this out.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I think it's a great point you make. According to
according to The New York Post, I love that paper.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I love that paper.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Made videos where he confessed to planning murder his family.
He claimed he joined Isis now. I haven't seen the videos,
but if the New York Post can figure them out
now Again, I don't know that they figured him out
ahead of time. They must have gone to his Facebook page,
but is no one else seeing what people are putting up.
(20:59):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
They are watching. I have friends that are in the
health industry and they get their their pages get shut
down because they're talking about you know, natural ways to
stay healthy instead of getting the jab. Okay, now A
I A I. Anybody saying the word blue, they search it.
(21:23):
Boom this guy, that guy, that guy. They could put
words in the search and do it. They're just not
doing it. You know what just reminded me of the
marathon bombers.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
Well, we talked last how that happened.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
We talked, we talked last hour with former police Commissioner
At Davis, who of course was in charge of the
marathon bombing investigation. And as you may know, I'm sure
you know because you follow this pretty closely. FBI agents
interviewed the two brothers before the bombing, before the bombing,
(22:04):
and I gotta believe that if the FBI wanted to
go after you or me, they.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Could find something.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You know, Harvey Silberbley has written the book Three Felonies
a Day. I just I mean, did this guy never
disclose to anyone what he was thinking? Now you could say, Okay,
this guy's insane. Let's assume you say he's insane, he's
lost his mind. But I assumed that this guy must
(22:35):
have told other people. Yeah, you know, I feel like
doing this. We had a guy up in Maine, the
guy up in Maine a couple of years ago who
killed I don't know what was fifteen or sixteen people
at two locations of Bowling Alley and elsewhere. He had
been interviewed. He was also a former military guy who
(22:56):
loved his weapons, and he he was interviewed and and
and he was allowed to keep his weapons and it
costs fifteen sixteen whatever then ever people were in main.
I don't know if you remember that story.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
It's a huge story back here, Lola, Yep.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah. But they can search anything, That's what I'm trying
to tell you. On Facebook and Instagram. If you start
talking like health stuff, oh your page goes down.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well put that aside for a second. If that's true,
and I suspect it is, why are they not searching
for ISIS and attacked?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I want and what I want to know.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
There's got to be twenty keywords that these folks could
go through. And anyone who's watching ISIS videos, Uh, I
think they deserve it. They deserve at this point, a
visit from from the.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
FBI, well they deserve someone will.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Say, well, what's your Probably someone the ACOU is going
to say to me, what's your probable cause you're just
looking at it at ISIS videos. Have you ever looked
at an ISIS video? I have no, No, I have
no interest in it. Now if look, if I was
a counter terrorism expert and I had to because of
my job watch ISIS videos, if the FBI came knocking
(24:13):
at the door and said, what are you doing looking
at the ISIS videos? I could easily say, look, that's
part of my job. I work for you know, the FBI,
just like you. But if I'm some Joe schmuck who's
looking at it's like someone who's looking at child pornography.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah, they can yeah, and they're not doing
a good job about that either.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
But right, but I'm saying I'm more concerned about that
as opposed to somebody who's talking about holistic medicine or
or you know, different type of medical meda teddy medications
that might be more effective than.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
My point was. My point about that was if they
can find people looking about that, why can't they find
them about looking about any other code words, you know,
like come on, come on.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I mean, I would think if they they should have
been looking like the kid in Wisconsin who took a
shot at President elect Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Not Wisconsin, Butler, Pennsylvania.
This kid, the age of twenty, all of a sudden
decides to buy a weapon and uh and take a
(25:20):
shot that nearly kills a presidential candidate who now is
the president elect. And that was who this kid was
ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Well, that Luigi kid. There were flags all over the place,
and his own mother, his own mother said to the
FBI or whoever went knocking on her door, Oh yeah,
that could have been my that could have been my son. Well,
you know, could have, should have, would have. But here's
the thing. At the end of the day, there's more
more dead people, more dead Americans. When are we gonna
(25:49):
wake up? We're our own worst enemy. Oh, we don't
want to be filmed. We don't want this, We don't
want that. As much as I disliked China and I
don't want to buy any thing from there, I don't
see the problems there going on over there like they're
going on over here.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, And I don't want to live in a police
state either.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
But I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
But with as you said, with Ai and with all
of the Internet that we have, if people are looking
at kiddy porn sites, that there needs to be you
need to go check these people out, okay. And if
people are looking at terrorist sites, you need to check
them out. I guess what if people are looking at
ku Klux Klan sites. I mean, there should be a
(26:32):
much more, in my opinion, affirmative action taken by investigative
agencies to find the people, the male contents among us,
who who have the potential, the Dylan Roofs of the world,
who killed the the black parishioners in South Carolina, all
(26:54):
of those people they show signs. Lola, I got a screw.
Great to hear your voice.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
We talk, happy new midhand.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
We'll talk all right.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Let me go to Laurie in Idaho. Laurie, welcome, How
are you tonight? Welcome?
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Welcome back. I am yeah, I was busy in the kitchen.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Not the best way to start the new year is that.
I believe my first Texas morning was something like five
thirty my time. But to someone on the East coast,
it's about it was just a capital WTF. And I
get back from the other side of New Orleans. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
You know, we were all on the alert here in Boston,
and maybe because of the marathon bombing. We'll always be
on alert, but it seemed like the city was fairly
buttoned up. They had great first night celebrations in Boston.
I was asleep by eleven thirty, so I missed it all.
Woke up this morning and I thought, well, it was
(27:47):
a pretty quiet evening and all of a sudden, I'm
hearing ten people dead in New Orleans. And of course
as the day went on, I said, I got to
talk about this tonight.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Yeah, I agree, it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Not what I you to talk about. But I think
Lola raised a great question. With all of the the
apparatus that we have available, how come that that this
guy can stay below the radar?
Speaker 7 (28:16):
Well, the only well, I'm obviously our government, I'm sure
has the ability to scan the dark web too, But
part of it is in the dark web because there's
a lot of convolution and being able to hide on it.
But I can't believe that our government doesn't have the
ability to also scan it. But yes, and I felt
the same as she said. I felt the same thing
about the man who shot the excuse me, the United
Health Cookers guy in New York. You have known if
(28:39):
he was talking to somebody, if there's something else going on,
because you know, they can't help themselves. They get involved
in all these weird social online group and so there
has to be a way to track that. She's absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, and I and I realized that that we live
in the freest society in the world, which is great,
but there comes a point in time. I mean there
I keep saying, there are fifteen people dead tonight in
New Orleans who eight eighteen hours ago or well now
maybe seventeen hours ago, uh no, yeah, whatever the number
(29:12):
were here. Yeah, you know that at this time last night,
they were enjoying the world. They're enjoying it. Well, I
know they probably had tickets to the Sugar Bowl game,
were they probably had a great dinner. They were out
with some drinks with some friends, and in an instant, yeah,
it's over.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Yeah, And it's kind of interesting that New Orleans. What
someone else who called said, you know that the I
think some a little bit. I don't like the FED
stepping on everybody's toes. But maybe get all these large
cities on the same wavelength as far as why weren't
those barriers in place for this kind of event and
they just put cruisers there. But see, I just I
(29:49):
think people think, people think kindly of human being and
human behavior, and it just doesn't cur to you that
some idiot is going to come do this. And unfortunately,
I think that's the world we're in now.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
You look at work all, look at all of the
events that we've that I can think of in the
last few, uh in a couple of years where people
were plowed down, either intentionally or by accident on sidewalks.
And apparently this this truck didn't slam into the police
car at that at the head of Bourbon Street. He
(30:19):
just swung around it and uh and drove down the sidewalk.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, Then apparently they had had a place on Bourbon Street.
They had a place I guess what they call ballards
b O L L A r d s Those either
cement or steel structures. Look, we had we had an
event here in Massachusetts a couple of years ago where
(30:46):
some guy in a parking lot drove his car into
a big Yeah, and and they they said, well, why
weren't there. Look if you look at the Massachusetts State House,
go look at a picture they have them in front
of the state House. You know, well, I guess they
could probably try to smash through them, but they're not coming.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
You know, their insurance company's not gonna pay for their car.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I wouldn't think so. I would think so. But I
just think the idea of why. The question I would
like to ask people right now is do you want
the government to be a little more invasive of people
who are frequenting as you I've never been in the
dark web. I would know how to get in the
dark web. But what I'm saying is if if you
(31:38):
if you're some weirdo who's who's on kiddy porn sites? Uh,
you know, I don't think that. I think that the
there's probable cause there that that if if all of
a sudden they realize, Okay, this guy's on kiddy porn sites,
let's let's go talk to him, let's find out what's
going on. And that's that's a you know, and I
(32:02):
know that some people say to me, well, most people
who are in kidty point sites would never attack a
child I don't care. I don't care, you know, but
if you're okay, you know what said, if your frequency
ices sights, what are you doing that for?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Ye?
Speaker 7 (32:21):
What said? He served in Afghanisa, Afghanistan. Do you suppose
that something triggered over there that he thought, oh well
I can go get you know.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Very possible. Yeah, and he might have. Well, it could
be that maybe over there there were conversations that he
overheard our US troops saying that he felt was disrespectful.
Who knows, We'll never know his mind at this point.
But I've got to tell you we should. We should
(32:52):
get deep into every site that he was on. Let's
figure out who else is on these sites.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
I have to Yeah, no privacy, no, obviously this stuff.
I mean, if you're gonna do anything untoward, then you're
gonna be exposed. It's like, just like if you do
anything untoward in public, it should be the same thing
on the internet as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
But oh sure, Yeah, you walk down the street buck
naked in in the you know, boss the street in Boston,
that's going to cause that's going to cause some some
uh some reaction.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
And I just think the same thing. I just think
that we know that these people get radicalized on ISO sites.
He's got an icest flag. Okay, sorry, why can't we
kill those sites? I mean, is it impossible.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
That's a tough one. But yeah, but but at least
monitor them and you know exactly then to go knock
on their door someday.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know if people are
on some sort of ku klux claim sites. I want
to know who those are those people are as well. Yeah, Laurie,
we're in agreement as always. Hey, Happy New Year.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
Thanks, Happy New Year to you too. I'm sorry. Were
you sick the whole time?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Pretty much? Well not, I mean I had a I'll
talk about it, if not tonight later later this week.
They sent me for chest X right to make sure
I didn't have pneumonia. I was sick. I was pretty
sick for three or four five So I'm coming much better,
much better. One not one day for sixteen hours, I'll
(34:19):
tell you that.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Wow. Night, that was.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Thanks Laurie.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Talk to you soon, all right, goodnight, welcome back, Happy
New York.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Thanks much. Okay, take very quick break, we will. I'll
take a couple more calls of this. I will switch
topics at ten, because I think that no one either
wants to talk about this or feels that there's much
they can add to the conversation. Six one seven thirty
if you want to try, or six one seven nine
thirty coming back right after the break here at night Side.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Now back to Dan Way live from the window World
to night Sight Studios. I'm WBZ New Radio.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Okay, back to college. We all y's go to ron
Is in Newton. Ron welcome back, How are you wrong? Welcome,
Happy New Year?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Hi again happening You're welcome back. Really glad to have
you back. Job anyway, have you ever thought about the
timeline that led up to nine to eleven, nineteen ninety
three when ronson usef Ye come back to.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Take down with the bombing there in the in the garage, yep.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Okay boy, And that was the beginnings. He escaped. He
later went to They caught him in in the Philippines
at one point making he and some other individuals making bombs.
Mohammad the person who flew Flight eleven into Tower one,
(36:01):
he was an architect. He was he was trained in
Cairo than Germany.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Smart guy.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
And they hambered the four in the Hamburg, Germany, so
for a while, and then they came over to Florida
and they had extensive flight lessons. In fact, they had
much more than the forty hours usually necessary for doing
this alf they had one hundred ninety hours.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
And then but then there were there were reports back
on those guys. They didn't want to learn how to
take the take off or land. They just wanted to
know how to playing with the up of the air
And there was an FBI agent, a woman out of
then Minneapolis office, who tried to get the word up
the chain of command and it never got up there.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Well there was yeah, that supposedly they were siloed. The
CIA and FBI worked more siloed than they than they
are now. I mean, hopefully they advanced I think they have.
But you know, along that timeline, subsequently the bombings and
Somalia outside the US and the site and then following
(37:11):
that the uh that's right. And even before that, Ronja
Yusuf was involved with a what they call the Badjinka plot,
where they were going to actually the plan was to
fly twelve airliners into different points of the viewers, in fact,
with the hope of hitting some nucleosytes and even all
(37:37):
the way up till August of two thousand and one.
These guys were pretty active. And the second so the
Terran that flew into the tower, he was Uh, he
was he was trained in engineering. He understood that the
stress points of the buildings. They took field trips into
(37:58):
New York City. Uh and uh it was. I don't
know if she's ever seen or heard some of the
Yosama bin Laden training manual.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, no, you know all of that, and so sore,
where are you taking me? I I'm familiar with everything
you've said.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
My point is, yeah, My point is that everybody's been
talking about what the FBI may be watching in this country,
but a lot of that can easily be orchestrated outside
of the country. That's my point.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
No, but you know what I'm saying, But right no
one can be and you and and I think we've
done a pretty good job protecting the terrorist attacks. Since
were the Boston bombers, they were they were, they came
here and we're in the process of becoming American citizens.
This guy was an American citizen. Nadal Hassan the major
in the military at Fort Hood. He was an American citizen.
(38:52):
He was in the US military. Now we have homegrown
this guy apparently was born here in Texas. There was
some ONUS reports earlier today about how he got here.
But this guy apparently was a US citizen born in Texas.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Yeah. Well, one of the hijackers too had been in
the military and in a counter terrorism division, so he
knew how to make bombs. He knew all of that.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
One of the hijackers, one of the nineteen hijackers.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yep, oh I was.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
I'm unfamiliar with that.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
I'll get it to tomorrow. But anyway, my my point,
I guess in general is that some of this stuff,
like the stuff that was going on in the Philippines
for the you know they how closely do they monitor
it there or can they.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Well I don't know the cooperation with other countries, the
Philippines that has had their own problems with you know,
homegrown terrorists there. Ron So I mean, I I'm just
trying to put my arms around something we can do,
and that is we should be able to monitor the
is of sites and if somebody's going to the ISI sites. Look,
if there's some college professors doing research, that's fine, But
(40:08):
if all of a sudden you go into some guys room,
you're knocking the door, he opens the door, there's three
iceis flags there. Now you got somebody you at least
can begin to keep an eye on him. Hey, Ron,
I am up against my break, so I got to
let you go. But thanks so much for checking in. Okay,
we will talk soon many times this year. Thanks thanks Ron.
All Right, those in the line stay there. If you'd
(40:28):
like to continue to talk about this, you have the
number six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Sandra and Carver
will get to you for sure. Anyone else would like
to talk on this subject. If not, we're going to
move to a different topic. I think it's extremely important.
I hope you would as well. I know it's kind
of a downer on January first, but I don't think
(40:50):
we have a choice. We've done two hours. I'm willing
to talk more, or we can switch. Coming back on
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