January 22, 2025 • 41 mins
This week marked the beginning of a new era in America, as President Donald Trump officially began his 2nd term in Office. Already the President has signed a blizzard of executive orders, some more controversial than others, and has wasted no time in getting his government up and running. Trump’s cabinet is already taking shape with its first member, Marco Rubio, quickly confirmed Monday evening to be Secretary of State. In addition, among some of Trump’s first actions has been a series of pardons, some of which Dan takes aim with.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's nice with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling you easy Boston Radio. All right, now we
have all that figured out. Everything's fine. The grim Wins
are giving Rob a little bit of a hard time tonight.
It's okay, Rob, don't worry. You'll win. You'll win eventually. Well,
what happened while I was away? I was away for
a couple of days last week and a couple of
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days this week. Took the holiday of Monday and built
a little bit of a mini getaway vacation, which I'm
very happy to do, and again want to thank Gary
Tangway and Morgan White for sitting in for me. But
of course, what I did miss was some of the
excitement surrounding the inauguration, and as a result, I'd like
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to catch up with that with all of you this evening,
because it was a really interesting day from a lot
of different perspectives, not the least of which was We've
had a change of administrations which are dramatic, and I
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think that, as I've said, the last four years of
the Biden administration was a failure. It was a failure
on a number of levels. The former president said that
he would unite the country. He didn't he did incredible
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damage to the Democratic Party, and I think the Democratic
Party is going to take some time to recover. I
think that the pardons that Joe Biden issued to individuals
who said they had done nothing wrong. I realized that
the pardons were intended to be prophylactic, but I don't
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know that I would have wanted a pardon if I
was doctor Fauci, or if I was General Miley, or
if I was even a member of the Biden family,
because because once you've been given a pardon, you have
lost your right, at least in front of Congress, to
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your Fifth Amendment rights to refuse to answer questions. So
I don't know that Biden did his family a favor.
He had pardoned his son. Biden did not pardon himself,
from what I could read, and if I mean correct
on that, I always stand to be corrected. But he
did pardon relatives. He didn't pardon Jill Biden, his wife,
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who did nothing but stand by him politically loyally, And
some suggest that that is what might have inspired Donald
Trump to issue the pardons to everyone who, as Trump
referred to them as the j six hostages, or President
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Trump referred to as the j six hostages. I must
tell you I've labeled this hour the Executive President Trump's
executive pardons, the good, the bad, and the questionable, and
the questionable Here certainly is the pardon of everyone who
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was involved in January sixth. Now, were there some people
who were charged in January sixth of the fifteen hundred
who might have been there, didn't realize what was going on,
saw that there were doors were opened, they were not
guarded by Capitol police officers, and decided to walk in
and see what's going on shore. However, there should not
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have been pardons for those who who engaged in violence
against police officers, who hit them with baseball bats, who
struck them with head over the heads with two by
fours or with picket signs, who smashed windows, broke down doors,
invaded you know, sacred spaces to which they had no
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right to invade, you know, sat in people's desks, which
they had no right to do. And I think the
President has a lot of political capital to deal with
right now. But I think that's a waste of political capital.
As late as last week, Vice President Vance had said
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there should not be pardons for individuals who engaged in
any sort of violence against police officers, and why why
he would pardon the head of the Proud Boys or
the You know, these should all be looked at very
carefully on a case by case basis. He had plenty
of time to look at these on a case by
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case basis, but he was intent. He was intent on
doing this. And now he has been having his conversations
with reporters and he does this. He does this sort
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of well what about the other side, and well, here's
here's one. I've got a couple of sound bites here
which I'm going to play, which is very typical of
Donald Trump. But I just think this is a huge
mistake on his part. This is like leading in the
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football game twenty one to nothing and unnecessarily fumbling. This
is an unforced error, in my opinion, and it will
come back to haunt him because I suspect that some
of these individuals might engage and might feel liberated and
engage in other activities. So let me go to cut one.
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This is a reporter asking him about a specific pardon
that I suspect the president really doesn't know too much about.
But he immediately goes to what's going on in other cities.
This is cut number one. This is this is classic
Donald Trump, all of those Rodriguez, he drove a stun
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gun into the neck of a DC police officer who
was adopted by the mom that day. He later confessed
on the video of the FBI and pleaded guilty for
his crimes. Why does he deserve.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
A part Well, I don't know, is it a parton
because we're looking at commutes and we're looking at pardons.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Okay, well, we'll take a look at everything.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
But I can say this, murderers today are not even charged.
You have murderers that aren't charged all over you. Take
a look at what's gone on in Philadelphia, take a look,
go what's gone off in LA where people murder people
and they don't get charged. These people have already served
years in prison, and they've served them viciously. It's a
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disgusting prison. It's been horrible, it's in humane. It's been
a terrible, terrible thing.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, but again, it's not responsive to the question. Cut
one A is also not responsive to the question. He continues,
I also say this.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You go to Portland where they did, where they wrapped
police offices, shot police offices. Nothing happened to anybody. You
go to Seattle where they took over a big chunk
of the city and people died. Portland, a lot of
people died way a minute, and you go also take
a look at Minneapolis, because I was there and I
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watched it. If I didn't bring in the National Guard,
that city wouldn't even exist today.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
People were killed and nobody went to jail.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So these people have already served a long period of time,
and I made a decision to give a pardon. Joe
Biden gave a pardon yesterday to a lot of criminals.
These are criminals that he gave a pardon to, and
you should be asking that question.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Well, the people who the president pardoned are also criminals
who happened to have attacked police officers at the Capitol.
Now I don't know who who he consults with. This
is one more cut rob of him talking about the pardons,
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cut twenty two, so.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
This is January sixth. These are the hostages, approximately fifteen
hundred for a pardon, full partner, full.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Pardon.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
We have about six commutations in there when we're doing
further research. Nice to see you again.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
So this is a big one.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Anything you want to explain about this. We hope they
get them.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
We hope they come out tonight.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Frankly, if you're expecting it, approximately fifteen hundred people, six
six commutations.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Were there any pass you didn't talk or part of people.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
We'll look at different things, but the commutations would be
the ones that will take a look and maybe it'll
stay that way or it'll go to in the faux part.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Okay. I don't know how else I could say it
anymore clearly that to essentially refer to these folks as hostages,
obviously it's legally incorrect. People. The hostages that we have
most recently known on the innocent Israeli civilians who were
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taken captive for four hundred and seventy days and many
of whom were killed while in captivity by Hamas. And
I think that President Trump has done the wrong thing here.
He obviously wanted to do it. I'll be interesting with JD.
Vance has to say. Vance said a week ago the
people who engaged in violence, and President Trump has in
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the past said, matter of fact, in the wake of
January sixth, when he was feeling the heat, he said
there should be no partners for people who attacked police officers.
It's an easy It's an easy distinction to make if
there were people there protesting, and even if they simply
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walked into the building when the building became unattended, you
could pardon people of that they obviously broke the law
by walking into a place that had been attended to
by police officers, and who are who were forced to
retreat again, it undercuts it's Donald Trump has the ability
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to to take this great opportunity that he has. There
are many of the executive orders that he signed which
I think will be helpful, particularly dealing with border security,
amongst others. But to pardon people who committed attacks on
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police officers, it goes against everything that you would hope
that any president of the United State would stand with,
the United States would stand for. So the only lines
that are open right now if you want to get
through a six one seven nine. I think that Donald
Trump has been given I don't know that he's been
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given a mandate, because it wasn't what I would consider
to be a mandate election, but he's been given an
opportunity to a second opportunity to leave the country in
the direction that he thinks the country should be led.
And I think that a large number of people in
this country, even people who didn't vote for him, are
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willing to give him a chance. But if he continues
to make what I would consider to be unforced errors,
he will blow that opportunity a second time. The lines
are full. My name's Dan Ray, this is Nightside. Let's
have at it. If I have disappointed you, that's fine.
I owe you the truth as I see it. I
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owe you what I believe, and that is what I believe.
Back on nights out after this. Now back to Dan
Ray live from the Window World night Side Studios.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I' WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So let's focus on whatever you want to focus on.
I have chosen to what I want to focus on,
but you are the callers. Tell us what you like,
what you don't like. And by the way, the fact
that Joe Biden gave pardons to I don't know was
it two thousand criminals, including Leonard Peltier, who killed two
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FBI agents was convicted of killing two FBI agents in
the nineteen seventies drug dealers. That was wrong. Doesn't make
what Donald Trump did was right, because two wrongs don't
make a right. That's what your mother told you and
your mother was right. Let's go to Doreen and Chelsea. Hey, Doreen, welcome,
Welcome to night Side.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Happy new year, Dan, longtime no.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Talk save to you. Dorian. Great to hear your voice.
Happy New Year to you as well. What's your thought
on the Donald Trump?
Speaker 6 (13:42):
My thought on is the state of Massachusetts should in debt,
capital punishment. I'm very high on it. Get the riff
raff out of the jails and prisons and drugs.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I'm sorry, well that's okay, but that's not our topic tonight.
And uh and and I.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Think no I seen I've seen Donald Trump get sworn in,
and it was a sad day for Biden, you know,
I mean, they both get patterns on both sides.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
You don't kill a cop and get away.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
With it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
I got at.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
What with uh retirement.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
My brother was a correctional office in the state of Massachusetts.
He had a hot time in the prisons. It wasn't easy,
all right. He was chased by all gang and drug members.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
That's what's going.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
On in this country.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
It's all immigration too, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, I do understand.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
You know you're weaving some points together here, I do
get it. So what did you think about Trump's pardon
of the J six inmates convicts?
Speaker 8 (15:00):
No, it was wrong when I seen that American flag.
I was in the hospital dying of COVID pneumonia and melrose,
and I've seen the flag.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
When you do that to a flag in.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Our country, that's the highest it's the flag, the United
States flag. You know what I mean? That's bad. Through
the Capitol window and killing cops.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
He should.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Trump did a bad thing on that.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I'm sorry. I think I think that he will live
to regret it because they read it.
Speaker 9 (15:36):
I know he will.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Certain people who might have been open to him are
going to say, here we go again, here we go again,
and a lot. I don't think.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
People cops in all the cities people.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I don't think people voted for the commutations or pardons
of the J six.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Right right, right, yes, right.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
All right? Thanks for getting us going here, and come
on back more often. Okay, don't be a stranger.
Speaker 9 (16:04):
I will all have a great kid.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Bye, good life. Let me go next to Mark and Cambridge. Mark,
you were next on nightside. Go right ahead, all right,
I'm doing fine. You cut out on me. There Mark,
go right ahead, I missed what you had to say.
Speaker 10 (16:21):
All right, I'm gonna make it short and simple. He
just figured he'd you know, if he just commentated a
few and not the others, I wouldn't be fair. So
he just did everybody, all fifteen hundred of them. On
the other hand, me personally, he assault on a police officer,
and that should be you know, I mean excluded in
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my opinion.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well, but but all fifteen hundred had not assaulted police officers.
There were many that had assaulted police officers. And I
think with all the videotape that they had that they
could have distinguished between those who assaulted police officers and
those who maybe in the exuberance of the riot, you know,
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ventured into the into the capitol building. Uh and and
they were charged with trespassing and things like that. Do
you want to commute those sentences?
Speaker 10 (17:17):
But right, I wasn't talking about I was talking about
the ones that assaulted police officers. They should be you know,
they should should have been excluded in my opinion, you know,
the ones that it did assault police officers, they should
have been excluded.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, they should have served, they should have served their sentences.
And I think that I think this was a mistake
that he made. It's an unforced error. And I think
that in his enthusiasm for his return to the White House,
I think he will rule the day.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
And I think that this will be one opportunity for
the Democrats to say, this is the same Donald Trump
who came here for you know, eight years ago, and
it's going to be a rough ride. I think that's
what people are going to start to say, right.
Speaker 10 (18:07):
I understand, but like I said, dog, you know what
I mean. But you know, I mean like I said
at the beginning, then that you know, he just figured
he do everybody if well, well why not the other
and the other? I'm assuming that what was going through
his mind everybody gets.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Parts.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, I think that was a mistake.
Speaker 10 (18:30):
I agree with you, but I'm saying he was going
through his mind though. Thank you, Dan, I'll have a
great night.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Thanks. Thanks Mark, talk to you soon. Let me go
to next up is John in Dorchester. John, you were
next on Nightsack go right ahead.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Thank you, Happy and healthy process six.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Brought back to you go right a fella.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, it was, it was. It was a funky day.
Operation day. Michael the King would have. It was a
shame and I think you said not just the police officers,
the other people as a woman that got back there. No,
you know, I just get.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, you're you'll break it up at me, John, Why
don't you do this, Rob, Why don't you see if
you can improve his line and we'll take the newscast
here and we'll try to pick John up on the
other side. Okay, tell John, we'll is. I think he's
had problems with his line here six one seven two
five four ten thirty. That is the one and only
line open right now, six one seven, four ten thirty.
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Back on night Side, right after the news at the
bottom of the hour.
Speaker 11 (19:39):
Night Side, Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Guys, go back to John and Chester. John, hopefully we
got your signal cleared up.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Olympic go ahead, Hey day, I'm back. Yeah. So, I
mean the times on both sides of the aisle there,
it's crazy and at the end of the day, like
you know, you just you know, it's one tad in
this one and that one. But like you know, but
Biden would the one that killed two at the eye
officers and him with the you know, like you said
that the oak Ridge Boy or whatever. Not the oak
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Ridge Boys, but you know what I mean, and it's
just a.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Proudly so called proud boys. Yeah I would. I mean
the Oakridge Boys pretty good, pretty good singers, but you
are the Proud Boys. I mean the guy looks like
a thug. I mean, he acts like a thug.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
In my opinion, I think the best thing that was
Lee Green would proud to be an American Billy Ray Cyrus.
I don't know what he had if somebody spiked his
holywater or something, but that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I don't know what I don't know. And yeah, as
they say, we can leave the musicians out of it.
I just think it was a mistake that he made
and that that he he just he gets he digs
his heels in and that's it. And maybe maybe that's
an asset, but certainly, in this instance, I think it
was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I concur with you. I can cruse.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I mean, and and
it also undercuts he could turn around and say to Biden, hey,
what are you doing here with all of these pardons
for people who haven't been accused of anything. He's basically
he undercut his own his own position. Hey, John, appreciate you.
Thank you much, my friend.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
There's no right. Thanks, well you got it, Thank you
very much.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
By bye. Let me go next to Larry Down and Dennisport.
Larry on the Cape, Go right ahead.
Speaker 9 (21:31):
Larry Good evening, Dan.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Good evening, sir. What's your take on all of this?
Speaker 9 (21:37):
First question is did you get rid of your coffee yet?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Uh? It's kind of hanging on. I just think it's Uh,
it's people said to me, oh, you'll have it for
a month, and they're getting pretty close. It's getting pretty close.
It's getting better, but it hasn't disappeared as yet.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
So okay, well it's been three and a half years
since by vaccine injury. I'm trying to get rid of
my coughs. So I was very upset when past president
Biden pardoned doctor Fouci. That one really got to make.
But here's my question. We don't vote for a dictator,
and when all of these pardons are given by both sides,
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whether it's Biden or Trump, they act like a dictator.
I'd like to start a petition, and this might be
a great subject for another night. I think it's too
much power for one person. I think if the president
wants to issue a pardon, he presents it to Congress.
This is who I want to pardon, this person, this person.
Congress says yes to this one, no to this one.
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What do you think of that idea?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, unfortunately, you'd have to change the constitution because the
president is in his office has given the executive power
to do this.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
So changed.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, Well, it's not easy to change the constitution. You
gotta first of all, get it through You got to
get it through Congress. Then you got to get it
to the states, and you got to get three quarters
of the states thirty eight out of fifty states at
this point to approve it. And as they found with
the Equal Rights Amendment, it failed because it was only
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got was approved by thirty seven states. So yeah, it
would be different. I mean, it's interesting, you could change
it theoretically, but I just think it's not likely and
these sorts of yeah.
Speaker 9 (23:25):
I'll rephrase the question, I'll rephrase the question. Then, do
you think that is too much power for the president
having these pardons.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I think they should be used more selectively. I think
that the partner of a governor or the pardon of
a president should be used selectively. And I read some
stats the other day that I think that President Bush
might have pardoned. I don't know one hundred and fifty.
I'm picking the numbers, and President Obama a Republican and
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a Democrat, and Clinton they were like in the low
one hundreds, one hundred and forty, one hundred and fifty whatever.
I mightey be able to find the number as we're talking.
But Biden broke all records. You know, it was it
was it was tough not to get a pardon. You know,
you would be the exception, and I would be the exception. Right,
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you know they were. They were giving him out like
they were giving out Hoodsie cups on the fourth of July.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
That's right, that's right in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And it just says, wait a second, you know that's
not the way it's supposed to be. Again, I'm looking
at pardons here, what do we have. Franklin Roosevelt led
the league. He gave out three thirty six hundred pardons.
Woodrow Wilson gave out a lot twenty four hundred, Harry
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Truman two thousand. I don't know the specifics on those,
but when you get to more recent presidents Bill Clinton
was four fifty nine. He was fairly, fairly generous. You know,
Thomas Jefferson was a one hundred and nineteen. You know
Joe Biden is now, I mean he like leads the league.
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William Henry Harrison gave out none, George Washington sixteen, John
Adams twenty one. So when the Constitution first was written,
they were given out in a limited fashion. George Herbert
Walker Poschel gave out seventy seven pardons, Ronald Reagan gave
out four hundred and six. But Biden went off the wall.
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And here you have Trump. It's like three days into
his presidency and he's already given out like fifteen hundred pardons.
Speaker 9 (25:38):
I mean, right exactly, I'll finish. I'll end it with this.
I think I'm hoping the country doesn't have well, for
lack of a better term, buyers remorse with Trump because
I feel most people voted for his policies, not his personality,
But his personality got in the way in the first day.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
So I will also tell you that, in my opinion,
President Trump was elected by people who voted against Joe Biden,
just as Joe Biden. In this country, we tend to
elect the presidents who by voting against you know, when
Donald Trump won, he beat Hillary Clinton. And the reason
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he beat Hillary Clinton was she was very unpopular. And
then Trump and turned four years later was very unpopular,
and they elected Joe Biden, who ran a campaign from
his basement. And then four years later, people had enough
of Biden. They were done with Biden, they were done
with everything that was involved in the in the in
his four years in office, and they gave Donald Trump
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a second chance for the sake of the nation. I
hope that I hope that Donald Trump is successful, but
I was appalled to think that these individuals who attacked
police officers who were simple doing their job. Capitol police officers,
We're doing their job, and they suffered injuries and in
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some cases, you know, died under mysterious circumstances. The one
guy who died a couple of days later, you know,
had a heart attack, but apparently he was subjected to
bear spray. I mean, you know, again, I don't want
to go into all the different cases, but if you're
going to take an American flag and smash windows and
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attack a police officer with two by fours or baseball bats,
you don't get a pardon period, do your time, do
the crime, do your time. Thanks Dennis, Thanks Larry, Bye
bye Larry from Dennis Bourt. Let me keep rolling here.
Who do I am next? Let me get in Kevin
in Plymouth? Kevin, you are next on nightside. You've waited
twenty two minutes. Go ahead, Kevin.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Hey Dan, how you doing?
Speaker 12 (27:52):
First time calling here?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
First time caller. Well, we're going to have you with us.
Happy New Year, making a new Year's resolute that it
will not be your last time. Go ahead, Plymouth, Go ahead, Kelly.
Speaker 12 (28:04):
You know what I think the pod is that Trump
gave to the J sixes.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yep.
Speaker 12 (28:11):
I can't agree with it. Obviously, assault on a police
officer is not right.
Speaker 13 (28:19):
I don't know what the maximum I'm curious to see
what the maximum penalty is for that I know in Massachusetts.
Speaker 12 (28:27):
I think it's two and a half years and up
to a five thousands.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
All fine, Oh no, no, I think let me just
say this. I do not know offhand because I've never
had experience with assault and a police officer, but I
think it depends upon the sort of assault. And you
can have an assault, you can have aggravated assault, you
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can have assault in battery. There's different levels to take
a shot at a police officer and only serve two
and a half years. I think that's in I think
that these guys, some of these guys had been in
now for three or four years, and I think some
of their sentences could be up to ten years because
you're talking about assaulting a Capitol police officer on the
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grounds of the US Congress, the Capitol building while they're
simply trying to do their job on the day in
which a presidential election was being ratified. I mean, all
of those circumstances could add to the length of sentence
that these people face. But look, you saw the video.
You saw people smashing windows, you saw people hitting police
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officers with baseball bats. That's an assault with a dangerous weapon.
That's more than an assault. That's assault with a dangerous weapon.
That gets it up into serious felony category.
Speaker 14 (29:48):
Unacceptable, There's no doubt about it's unacceptable.
Speaker 11 (29:52):
I did see video of the actually the police officers
throwing stunt grenades into the crowd, and I know, yeah
that it probably didn't help the situation, but it was.
Speaker 12 (30:06):
It was it turned into a major.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Riot, and uh, you know, it just it was out
of hand right from the stots.
Speaker 12 (30:12):
So but you know what, I think we got to
move past it. I don't think he can. I know,
I know those people made mistakes, and can Donald Trump
make a mistake every once in a while.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
I don't.
Speaker 12 (30:24):
I don't know if he's allowed to.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
You know, he seems to be well not not not
at this level.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I mean, if you want to say, oh, he shouldn't
rename the Gulf of Mexico, I happen to agree name
rename it the Gulf of America. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm all for that. Okay. By the way, the Proud
Boys leader was serving a twenty two year Jay sixth sentence,
so that was a pretty substantial sentence, Okay. And I'm
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just looking at an article here out of Newsweek just
to answer your question. There was a list of the
people who were serving sentences, and let me just see here,
twenty seven months in prison, civil disorder, assaulted the federal officer,
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eighteen years in prison. Ethan Nordean, thirty two of Arburn, Washington,
was sent eighteen years in prison, a member of the
far right Proud Boys group who's found guilty of multiple felonies,
including conspiracy to destruct an official proceeding. So yes, some
of these seventeen years, ten years, fifteen years, fifteen years. Yeah,
though there's some pretty significant eighty four months seven that's
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would be. That's seven years, six years, fifty one months
in prison, eighty seven months. There's a lot of long
sentences here. There's one guy here, Daniel DJ Rodriguez, California,
since one hundred and fifty one months in prison, assaulting
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an officer with a taser. I mean, you know, guy
took a taste to a police officer. How much you're
gonna give him?
Speaker 12 (32:10):
He's I don't know. It's it's fad, It's no doubt
about it. It's bad, but I don't know. I know
the day was. It was a real bad day.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
But I think a bad day because of what these
people did. Now there's there's someone else here. There's there's
one here. For example, a guy out of Decata, Georgia,
Matthew J. Webler, sentenced to forty five days in prison
in order to pay five hundred and ten dollars. He
played guilty to one count of demonstrating in the capitol.
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So that's someone who walked into the capitol. I could
see commuting his sentence or giving him a pardon, wiping
his record clean, because all he got was forty five days.
But there's a big difference between eighteen years. Here's another
guy out of Kentucky sentence a forty five years is
guilty of demonstra forty five days incarceration, sixty hours of
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community service for pleading guilty in charge of demonstrating in
the capitol. I don't have. There's another guy fourteen days.
So there's quite a quite a range here. You can
look these up yourself as if you want. There's a
lot of them that are there are a lot of
them are pretty serious and some which look to me
to be pretty venial.
Speaker 13 (33:26):
Right right, Yeah, Well, you know what, I don't really
I don't see them giving a you know, burd of
sentences out now for eighteen he is, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 12 (33:36):
So I just seem it seems to be very.
Speaker 14 (33:39):
Politically motivated to be switch. That's that's my take on it.
You know, those sentences are very hot, I believe, I do.
I don't believe that those sentences.
Speaker 13 (33:50):
You know, justify what happened that day. I really don't.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
So, I mean, the people that get caught in the mix,
of course not you know, but it was a bad day.
It's a bad days. A lot of people that disagreed
was going on that day obviously.
Speaker 12 (34:05):
Uh, there was a lot of tension and it didn't
end up good for anybody.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
So but I you know, I'm kind of like totally
sick of hearing about it. It's time to move on,
put it behind us, and uh, you know, let's talk
about Biden's pods.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
Biden's pods were you know, I don't think uh, you know,
there was there's a lot to be said about what
he did. You know, it's almost admitting guilt.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Okay, So how much of a sentence? Here's one guy.
I'm not going to give you what his sentence was.
This guy was found guilty of four counts of assaulting
Metropolitan Police Department officers. So he assaulted four different Metropolitan
Police Department office. What sort of a sentence would you
give him if any.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
SEEZ I don't know.
Speaker 12 (34:53):
Four years, year of peace.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Four years well he got, he got eighty eight months.
Would your commute his sentence?
Speaker 12 (35:04):
Probably not?
Speaker 11 (35:04):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
No, okay, So we agree. We agree again. The people
who who got caught up in it and were were
yelling or screaming inside the Capitol. These people who have
who were given you know, I don't know, you know,
twenty days in prison or forty five days in prison.
Found that's not a problem. But there's the difference between
doing that getting caught up in the crowd and and
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tate and hitting a police officer with a taser. That's
all I'm saying. Hey, Kevin, I appreciate your call, first
time calling.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Come on back soon, Okay, I appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (35:36):
Have a good night.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
You two gonna come right back. The only lines open
right now are six one, seven, nine three, one ten thirty.
I got Donna, Bill and Joe coming up, and I
got room for you at six one, seven, nine three,
one ten thirty.
Speaker 11 (35:52):
Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
All right, let's keep going. He're gonna go to Donna
and Framingham. Donna, appreciate your patience. Next time, Nightsager right ahead, Donna.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I was about ready to give up, but here I am.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
We take I'm glad you stuck around, but I gotta
tell you, yes, we take him as they come in, Donna,
no one, no one has held.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
I know, I know. Let me just start with a
real quick thing. The guy that was dressed up like
the shaman with the horns on his head and all
that stuff. Remember that guy, we had you to get him.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
He was quite memorable.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
We had to look at his hairy chest all day. Anyway,
here's what he just tweeted on X I got a
pardon baby, Thank you, miss country, God bless America. Okay,
so I just wanted to mention that, but then I
want to get to my own points.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
But I hope, I hope a little bit of what
you said got bleeped.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Donna.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Remember we are still on family Radio.
Speaker 10 (37:02):
Go ahead, I said, mother.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Is please please. I know you tried to clean it up,
but I think we know in effect what you said.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I'm just reading the tree. Okay. The other point is
I agree with you totally. And the reason why President
Trump pardon those people, dan is because he backs the
Blue and left. They're trying to help him. That's why
he did it. Because they did it to help him.
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That's why he come pardoned them.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
All right.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Another thing that also came out, I.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Think that I think that I don't disagree with your characterization,
but I think that's sort of either you back the
blue or you don't.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
As far as I well, I listen, Dan, I wanted
my president to succeed, and I'm because I always wanted
to as in the deced, But after forty eight hours,
I'm almost ready to throw in the towel. Did you
hear what he said about the Secret Service protection for
John Bolton?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, well, I was surprised to find out today that
vice presidents, full of vice presidents only received Secret Service
protection for six months. Now I assume they can be extended.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
But I always thought that John Bolton, John Bolton doesn't
he doesn't have to have it forever, but right now
the Iranians are trying to kill him. And when Donald Trump,
our president, was asked about that today, he went on
a tirade about how he shouldn't have it forever, which
is true, but the spread is ongoing. Yeah, and he
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went on for the next three minutes to talk about
how dumb John Bolton.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Is, like that has anything to do with right, Well, yeah,
I did hear that again, That there's ovis is the
personal animus between him and Bolton, which he should step
aside in that decision if he was smart he would say, look,
John Bolton will have Secret Service for however long he
(39:12):
needs it. That his his protection will be determined by uh,
you know whatever, whether it's Secret Service or whether it's
the FBI or whomever it is. And I have Well, again,
he should just say I have no role in that decision.
If someone from Secret Service thinks Bolton should have protection
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for another one hundred years, fine, Trump should step off
away from that if he was smart, but he's not.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
I'm glad you came back. I hope you're feeling better.
And I am so happy to hear that you say
about how you think this was a really stupid thing.
And again, try to convince me, Dan, I wanted to
give Donald Trump a chance. I didn't vote for him.
I reluctantly vote for three hours. I didn't like that either,
you know, forty eight hours later, a little bit more
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than that. At this point, I'm almost ready to give
up already.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Well again, you know, everyone's gonna do what they have
to do in this set of circumstances. But I think
that from his perspective, it was an easy call. Jd
Vance a week ago said the violent protesters should not
receive commute. I was a week ago, a week ago,
you know, and he puts he puts his allies in
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the uncomfortable position of having to agree with him or
else contradicting him. It's not a good way to start
day three of your presidency. Let me put it like that.
We can agree upon that. Thanks don, I'm glad you
hung on. Thank you, Minch. Talk to you later. By
all right, if you're on the line, stay there. If
you not give us a call, six seven two five
four ten thirty six seven nine thirty. This is what
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I believe. I certainly was hoping that Donald Trump, second
time around, would be able to handle himself a little differently.
I thought his speech the other day was tough, but
I thought it was honest. I didn't have a whole
lot of trouble with his speech. But I have trouble
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with pardoning people who have committed violence against the Capitol
building and more importantly, against the police officers who were
there to protect members of Congress. Republicans and Democrats alike.
Join the conversation. Fill the lines up back right after
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It's nice with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling you easy Boston Radio. All right, now we
have all that figured out. Everything's fine. The grim Wins
are giving Rob a little bit of a hard time tonight.
It's okay, Rob, don't worry. You'll win. You'll win eventually. Well,
what happened while I was away? I was away for
a couple of days last week and a couple of
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days this week. Took the holiday of Monday and built
a little bit of a mini getaway vacation, which I'm
very happy to do, and again want to thank Gary
Tangway and Morgan White for sitting in for me. But
of course, what I did miss was some of the
excitement surrounding the inauguration, and as a result, I'd like
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to catch up with that with all of you this evening,
because it was a really interesting day from a lot
of different perspectives, not the least of which was We've
had a change of administrations which are dramatic, and I
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think that, as I've said, the last four years of
the Biden administration was a failure. It was a failure
on a number of levels. The former president said that
he would unite the country. He didn't he did incredible
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damage to the Democratic Party, and I think the Democratic
Party is going to take some time to recover. I
think that the pardons that Joe Biden issued to individuals
who said they had done nothing wrong. I realized that
the pardons were intended to be prophylactic, but I don't
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know that I would have wanted a pardon if I
was doctor Fauci, or if I was General Miley, or
if I was even a member of the Biden family,
because because once you've been given a pardon, you have
lost your right, at least in front of Congress, to
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your Fifth Amendment rights to refuse to answer questions. So
I don't know that Biden did his family a favor.
He had pardoned his son. Biden did not pardon himself,
from what I could read, and if I mean correct
on that, I always stand to be corrected. But he
did pardon relatives. He didn't pardon Jill Biden, his wife,
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who did nothing but stand by him politically loyally, And
some suggest that that is what might have inspired Donald
Trump to issue the pardons to everyone who, as Trump
referred to them as the j six hostages, or President
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Trump referred to as the j six hostages. I must
tell you I've labeled this hour the Executive President Trump's
executive pardons, the good, the bad, and the questionable, and
the questionable Here certainly is the pardon of everyone who
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was involved in January sixth. Now, were there some people
who were charged in January sixth of the fifteen hundred
who might have been there, didn't realize what was going on,
saw that there were doors were opened, they were not
guarded by Capitol police officers, and decided to walk in
and see what's going on shore. However, there should not
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have been pardons for those who who engaged in violence
against police officers, who hit them with baseball bats, who
struck them with head over the heads with two by
fours or with picket signs, who smashed windows, broke down doors,
invaded you know, sacred spaces to which they had no
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right to invade, you know, sat in people's desks, which
they had no right to do. And I think the
President has a lot of political capital to deal with
right now. But I think that's a waste of political capital.
As late as last week, Vice President Vance had said
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there should not be pardons for individuals who engaged in
any sort of violence against police officers, and why why
he would pardon the head of the Proud Boys or
the You know, these should all be looked at very
carefully on a case by case basis. He had plenty
of time to look at these on a case by
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case basis, but he was intent. He was intent on
doing this. And now he has been having his conversations
with reporters and he does this. He does this sort
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of well what about the other side, and well, here's
here's one. I've got a couple of sound bites here
which I'm going to play, which is very typical of
Donald Trump. But I just think this is a huge
mistake on his part. This is like leading in the
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football game twenty one to nothing and unnecessarily fumbling. This
is an unforced error, in my opinion, and it will
come back to haunt him because I suspect that some
of these individuals might engage and might feel liberated and
engage in other activities. So let me go to cut one.
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This is a reporter asking him about a specific pardon
that I suspect the president really doesn't know too much about.
But he immediately goes to what's going on in other cities.
This is cut number one. This is this is classic
Donald Trump, all of those Rodriguez, he drove a stun
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gun into the neck of a DC police officer who
was adopted by the mom that day. He later confessed
on the video of the FBI and pleaded guilty for
his crimes. Why does he deserve.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
A part Well, I don't know, is it a parton
because we're looking at commutes and we're looking at pardons.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Okay, well, we'll take a look at everything.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
But I can say this, murderers today are not even charged.
You have murderers that aren't charged all over you. Take
a look at what's gone on in Philadelphia, take a look,
go what's gone off in LA where people murder people
and they don't get charged. These people have already served
years in prison, and they've served them viciously. It's a
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disgusting prison. It's been horrible, it's in humane. It's been
a terrible, terrible thing.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, but again, it's not responsive to the question. Cut
one A is also not responsive to the question. He continues,
I also say this.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
You go to Portland where they did, where they wrapped
police offices, shot police offices. Nothing happened to anybody. You
go to Seattle where they took over a big chunk
of the city and people died. Portland, a lot of
people died way a minute, and you go also take
a look at Minneapolis, because I was there and I
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watched it. If I didn't bring in the National Guard,
that city wouldn't even exist today.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
People were killed and nobody went to jail.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So these people have already served a long period of time,
and I made a decision to give a pardon. Joe
Biden gave a pardon yesterday to a lot of criminals.
These are criminals that he gave a pardon to, and
you should be asking that question.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Well, the people who the president pardoned are also criminals
who happened to have attacked police officers at the Capitol.
Now I don't know who who he consults with. This
is one more cut rob of him talking about the pardons,
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cut twenty two, so.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
This is January sixth. These are the hostages, approximately fifteen
hundred for a pardon, full partner, full.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Pardon.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
We have about six commutations in there when we're doing
further research. Nice to see you again.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
So this is a big one.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Anything you want to explain about this. We hope they
get them.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
We hope they come out tonight.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Frankly, if you're expecting it, approximately fifteen hundred people, six
six commutations.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Were there any pass you didn't talk or part of people.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
We'll look at different things, but the commutations would be
the ones that will take a look and maybe it'll
stay that way or it'll go to in the faux part.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Okay. I don't know how else I could say it
anymore clearly that to essentially refer to these folks as hostages,
obviously it's legally incorrect. People. The hostages that we have
most recently known on the innocent Israeli civilians who were
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taken captive for four hundred and seventy days and many
of whom were killed while in captivity by Hamas. And
I think that President Trump has done the wrong thing here.
He obviously wanted to do it. I'll be interesting with JD.
Vance has to say. Vance said a week ago the
people who engaged in violence, and President Trump has in
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the past said, matter of fact, in the wake of
January sixth, when he was feeling the heat, he said
there should be no partners for people who attacked police officers.
It's an easy It's an easy distinction to make if
there were people there protesting, and even if they simply
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walked into the building when the building became unattended, you
could pardon people of that they obviously broke the law
by walking into a place that had been attended to
by police officers, and who are who were forced to
retreat again, it undercuts it's Donald Trump has the ability
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to to take this great opportunity that he has. There
are many of the executive orders that he signed which
I think will be helpful, particularly dealing with border security,
amongst others. But to pardon people who committed attacks on
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police officers, it goes against everything that you would hope
that any president of the United State would stand with,
the United States would stand for. So the only lines
that are open right now if you want to get
through a six one seven nine. I think that Donald
Trump has been given I don't know that he's been
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given a mandate, because it wasn't what I would consider
to be a mandate election, but he's been given an
opportunity to a second opportunity to leave the country in
the direction that he thinks the country should be led.
And I think that a large number of people in
this country, even people who didn't vote for him, are
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willing to give him a chance. But if he continues
to make what I would consider to be unforced errors,
he will blow that opportunity a second time. The lines
are full. My name's Dan Ray, this is Nightside. Let's
have at it. If I have disappointed you, that's fine.
I owe you the truth as I see it. I
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owe you what I believe, and that is what I believe.
Back on nights out after this. Now back to Dan
Ray live from the Window World night Side Studios.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I' WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So let's focus on whatever you want to focus on.
I have chosen to what I want to focus on,
but you are the callers. Tell us what you like,
what you don't like. And by the way, the fact
that Joe Biden gave pardons to I don't know was
it two thousand criminals, including Leonard Peltier, who killed two
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FBI agents was convicted of killing two FBI agents in
the nineteen seventies drug dealers. That was wrong. Doesn't make
what Donald Trump did was right, because two wrongs don't
make a right. That's what your mother told you and
your mother was right. Let's go to Doreen and Chelsea. Hey, Doreen, welcome,
Welcome to night Side.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Happy new year, Dan, longtime no.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Talk save to you. Dorian. Great to hear your voice.
Happy New Year to you as well. What's your thought
on the Donald Trump?
Speaker 6 (13:42):
My thought on is the state of Massachusetts should in debt,
capital punishment. I'm very high on it. Get the riff
raff out of the jails and prisons and drugs.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I'm sorry, well that's okay, but that's not our topic tonight.
And uh and and I.
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Think no I seen I've seen Donald Trump get sworn in,
and it was a sad day for Biden, you know,
I mean, they both get patterns on both sides.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
You don't kill a cop and get away.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
With it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
I got at.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
What with uh retirement.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
My brother was a correctional office in the state of Massachusetts.
He had a hot time in the prisons. It wasn't easy,
all right. He was chased by all gang and drug members.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
That's what's going.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
On in this country.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
It's all immigration too, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, I do understand.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
You know you're weaving some points together here, I do
get it. So what did you think about Trump's pardon
of the J six inmates convicts?
Speaker 8 (15:00):
No, it was wrong when I seen that American flag.
I was in the hospital dying of COVID pneumonia and melrose,
and I've seen the flag.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
When you do that to a flag in.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Our country, that's the highest it's the flag, the United
States flag. You know what I mean? That's bad. Through
the Capitol window and killing cops.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
He should.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
Trump did a bad thing on that.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I'm sorry. I think I think that he will live
to regret it because they read it.
Speaker 9 (15:36):
I know he will.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Certain people who might have been open to him are
going to say, here we go again, here we go again,
and a lot. I don't think.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
People cops in all the cities people.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I don't think people voted for the commutations or pardons
of the J six.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Right right, right, yes, right.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
All right? Thanks for getting us going here, and come
on back more often. Okay, don't be a stranger.
Speaker 9 (16:04):
I will all have a great kid.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Bye, good life. Let me go next to Mark and Cambridge. Mark,
you were next on nightside. Go right ahead, all right,
I'm doing fine. You cut out on me. There Mark,
go right ahead, I missed what you had to say.
Speaker 10 (16:21):
All right, I'm gonna make it short and simple. He
just figured he'd you know, if he just commentated a
few and not the others, I wouldn't be fair. So
he just did everybody, all fifteen hundred of them. On
the other hand, me personally, he assault on a police officer,
and that should be you know, I mean excluded in
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my opinion.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well, but but all fifteen hundred had not assaulted police officers.
There were many that had assaulted police officers. And I
think with all the videotape that they had that they
could have distinguished between those who assaulted police officers and
those who maybe in the exuberance of the riot, you know,
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ventured into the into the capitol building. Uh and and
they were charged with trespassing and things like that. Do
you want to commute those sentences?
Speaker 10 (17:17):
But right, I wasn't talking about I was talking about
the ones that assaulted police officers. They should be you know,
they should should have been excluded in my opinion, you know,
the ones that it did assault police officers, they should
have been excluded.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, they should have served, they should have served their sentences.
And I think that I think this was a mistake
that he made. It's an unforced error. And I think
that in his enthusiasm for his return to the White House,
I think he will rule the day.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
And I think that this will be one opportunity for
the Democrats to say, this is the same Donald Trump
who came here for you know, eight years ago, and
it's going to be a rough ride. I think that's
what people are going to start to say, right.
Speaker 10 (18:07):
I understand, but like I said, dog, you know what
I mean. But you know, I mean like I said
at the beginning, then that you know, he just figured
he do everybody if well, well why not the other
and the other? I'm assuming that what was going through
his mind everybody gets.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Parts.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, I think that was a mistake.
Speaker 10 (18:30):
I agree with you, but I'm saying he was going
through his mind though. Thank you, Dan, I'll have a
great night.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Thanks. Thanks Mark, talk to you soon. Let me go
to next up is John in Dorchester. John, you were
next on Nightsack go right ahead.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Thank you, Happy and healthy process six.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Brought back to you go right a fella.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, it was, it was. It was a funky day.
Operation day. Michael the King would have. It was a
shame and I think you said not just the police officers,
the other people as a woman that got back there. No,
you know, I just get.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, you're you'll break it up at me, John, Why
don't you do this, Rob, Why don't you see if
you can improve his line and we'll take the newscast
here and we'll try to pick John up on the
other side. Okay, tell John, we'll is. I think he's
had problems with his line here six one seven two
five four ten thirty. That is the one and only
line open right now, six one seven, four ten thirty.
(19:32):
Back on night Side, right after the news at the
bottom of the hour.
Speaker 11 (19:39):
Night Side, Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Guys, go back to John and Chester. John, hopefully we
got your signal cleared up.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Olympic go ahead, Hey day, I'm back. Yeah. So, I
mean the times on both sides of the aisle there,
it's crazy and at the end of the day, like
you know, you just you know, it's one tad in
this one and that one. But like you know, but
Biden would the one that killed two at the eye
officers and him with the you know, like you said
that the oak Ridge Boy or whatever. Not the oak
(20:10):
Ridge Boys, but you know what I mean, and it's
just a.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Proudly so called proud boys. Yeah I would. I mean
the Oakridge Boys pretty good, pretty good singers, but you
are the Proud Boys. I mean the guy looks like
a thug. I mean, he acts like a thug.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
In my opinion, I think the best thing that was
Lee Green would proud to be an American Billy Ray Cyrus.
I don't know what he had if somebody spiked his
holywater or something, but that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I don't know what I don't know. And yeah, as
they say, we can leave the musicians out of it.
I just think it was a mistake that he made
and that that he he just he gets he digs
his heels in and that's it. And maybe maybe that's
an asset, but certainly, in this instance, I think it
was a mistake.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I concur with you. I can cruse.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I mean, and and
it also undercuts he could turn around and say to Biden, hey,
what are you doing here with all of these pardons
for people who haven't been accused of anything. He's basically
he undercut his own his own position. Hey, John, appreciate you.
Thank you much, my friend.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
There's no right. Thanks, well you got it, Thank you
very much.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
By bye. Let me go next to Larry Down and Dennisport.
Larry on the Cape, Go right ahead.
Speaker 9 (21:31):
Larry Good evening, Dan.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Good evening, sir. What's your take on all of this?
Speaker 9 (21:37):
First question is did you get rid of your coffee yet?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Uh? It's kind of hanging on. I just think it's Uh,
it's people said to me, oh, you'll have it for
a month, and they're getting pretty close. It's getting pretty close.
It's getting better, but it hasn't disappeared as yet.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
So okay, well it's been three and a half years
since by vaccine injury. I'm trying to get rid of
my coughs. So I was very upset when past president
Biden pardoned doctor Fouci. That one really got to make.
But here's my question. We don't vote for a dictator,
and when all of these pardons are given by both sides,
(22:17):
whether it's Biden or Trump, they act like a dictator.
I'd like to start a petition, and this might be
a great subject for another night. I think it's too
much power for one person. I think if the president
wants to issue a pardon, he presents it to Congress.
This is who I want to pardon, this person, this person.
Congress says yes to this one, no to this one.
(22:40):
What do you think of that idea?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, unfortunately, you'd have to change the constitution because the
president is in his office has given the executive power
to do this.
Speaker 9 (22:50):
So changed.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, Well, it's not easy to change the constitution. You
gotta first of all, get it through You got to
get it through Congress. Then you got to get it
to the states, and you got to get three quarters
of the states thirty eight out of fifty states at
this point to approve it. And as they found with
the Equal Rights Amendment, it failed because it was only
(23:13):
got was approved by thirty seven states. So yeah, it
would be different. I mean, it's interesting, you could change
it theoretically, but I just think it's not likely and
these sorts of yeah.
Speaker 9 (23:25):
I'll rephrase the question, I'll rephrase the question. Then, do
you think that is too much power for the president
having these pardons.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I think they should be used more selectively. I think
that the partner of a governor or the pardon of
a president should be used selectively. And I read some
stats the other day that I think that President Bush
might have pardoned. I don't know one hundred and fifty.
I'm picking the numbers, and President Obama a Republican and
(23:55):
a Democrat, and Clinton they were like in the low
one hundreds, one hundred and forty, one hundred and fifty whatever.
I mightey be able to find the number as we're talking.
But Biden broke all records. You know, it was it
was it was tough not to get a pardon. You know,
you would be the exception, and I would be the exception. Right,
(24:17):
you know they were. They were giving him out like
they were giving out Hoodsie cups on the fourth of July.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
That's right, that's right in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And it just says, wait a second, you know that's
not the way it's supposed to be. Again, I'm looking
at pardons here, what do we have. Franklin Roosevelt led
the league. He gave out three thirty six hundred pardons.
Woodrow Wilson gave out a lot twenty four hundred, Harry
(24:47):
Truman two thousand. I don't know the specifics on those,
but when you get to more recent presidents Bill Clinton
was four fifty nine. He was fairly, fairly generous. You know,
Thomas Jefferson was a one hundred and nineteen. You know
Joe Biden is now, I mean he like leads the league.
(25:07):
William Henry Harrison gave out none, George Washington sixteen, John
Adams twenty one. So when the Constitution first was written,
they were given out in a limited fashion. George Herbert
Walker Poschel gave out seventy seven pardons, Ronald Reagan gave
out four hundred and six. But Biden went off the wall.
(25:30):
And here you have Trump. It's like three days into
his presidency and he's already given out like fifteen hundred pardons.
Speaker 9 (25:38):
I mean, right exactly, I'll finish. I'll end it with this.
I think I'm hoping the country doesn't have well, for
lack of a better term, buyers remorse with Trump because
I feel most people voted for his policies, not his personality,
But his personality got in the way in the first day.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
So I will also tell you that, in my opinion,
President Trump was elected by people who voted against Joe Biden,
just as Joe Biden. In this country, we tend to
elect the presidents who by voting against you know, when
Donald Trump won, he beat Hillary Clinton. And the reason
(26:23):
he beat Hillary Clinton was she was very unpopular. And
then Trump and turned four years later was very unpopular,
and they elected Joe Biden, who ran a campaign from
his basement. And then four years later, people had enough
of Biden. They were done with Biden, they were done
with everything that was involved in the in the in
his four years in office, and they gave Donald Trump
(26:45):
a second chance for the sake of the nation. I
hope that I hope that Donald Trump is successful, but
I was appalled to think that these individuals who attacked
police officers who were simple doing their job. Capitol police officers,
We're doing their job, and they suffered injuries and in
(27:07):
some cases, you know, died under mysterious circumstances. The one
guy who died a couple of days later, you know,
had a heart attack, but apparently he was subjected to
bear spray. I mean, you know, again, I don't want
to go into all the different cases, but if you're
going to take an American flag and smash windows and
(27:29):
attack a police officer with two by fours or baseball bats,
you don't get a pardon period, do your time, do
the crime, do your time. Thanks Dennis, Thanks Larry, Bye
bye Larry from Dennis Bourt. Let me keep rolling here.
Who do I am next? Let me get in Kevin
in Plymouth? Kevin, you are next on nightside. You've waited
twenty two minutes. Go ahead, Kevin.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Hey Dan, how you doing?
Speaker 12 (27:52):
First time calling here?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
First time caller. Well, we're going to have you with us.
Happy New Year, making a new Year's resolute that it
will not be your last time. Go ahead, Plymouth, Go ahead, Kelly.
Speaker 12 (28:04):
You know what I think the pod is that Trump
gave to the J sixes.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yep.
Speaker 12 (28:11):
I can't agree with it. Obviously, assault on a police
officer is not right.
Speaker 13 (28:19):
I don't know what the maximum I'm curious to see
what the maximum penalty is for that I know in Massachusetts.
Speaker 12 (28:27):
I think it's two and a half years and up
to a five thousands.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
All fine, Oh no, no, I think let me just
say this. I do not know offhand because I've never
had experience with assault and a police officer, but I
think it depends upon the sort of assault. And you
can have an assault, you can have aggravated assault, you
(28:51):
can have assault in battery. There's different levels to take
a shot at a police officer and only serve two
and a half years. I think that's in I think
that these guys, some of these guys had been in
now for three or four years, and I think some
of their sentences could be up to ten years because
you're talking about assaulting a Capitol police officer on the
(29:13):
grounds of the US Congress, the Capitol building while they're
simply trying to do their job on the day in
which a presidential election was being ratified. I mean, all
of those circumstances could add to the length of sentence
that these people face. But look, you saw the video.
You saw people smashing windows, you saw people hitting police
(29:37):
officers with baseball bats. That's an assault with a dangerous weapon.
That's more than an assault. That's assault with a dangerous weapon.
That gets it up into serious felony category.
Speaker 14 (29:48):
Unacceptable, There's no doubt about it's unacceptable.
Speaker 11 (29:52):
I did see video of the actually the police officers
throwing stunt grenades into the crowd, and I know, yeah
that it probably didn't help the situation, but it was.
Speaker 12 (30:06):
It was it turned into a major.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Riot, and uh, you know, it just it was out
of hand right from the stots.
Speaker 12 (30:12):
So but you know what, I think we got to
move past it. I don't think he can. I know,
I know those people made mistakes, and can Donald Trump
make a mistake every once in a while.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
I don't.
Speaker 12 (30:24):
I don't know if he's allowed to.
Speaker 10 (30:25):
You know, he seems to be well not not not
at this level.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I mean, if you want to say, oh, he shouldn't
rename the Gulf of Mexico, I happen to agree name
rename it the Gulf of America. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm all for that. Okay. By the way, the Proud
Boys leader was serving a twenty two year Jay sixth sentence,
so that was a pretty substantial sentence, Okay. And I'm
(30:55):
just looking at an article here out of Newsweek just
to answer your question. There was a list of the
people who were serving sentences, and let me just see here,
twenty seven months in prison, civil disorder, assaulted the federal officer,
(31:18):
eighteen years in prison. Ethan Nordean, thirty two of Arburn, Washington,
was sent eighteen years in prison, a member of the
far right Proud Boys group who's found guilty of multiple felonies,
including conspiracy to destruct an official proceeding. So yes, some
of these seventeen years, ten years, fifteen years, fifteen years. Yeah,
though there's some pretty significant eighty four months seven that's
(31:40):
would be. That's seven years, six years, fifty one months
in prison, eighty seven months. There's a lot of long
sentences here. There's one guy here, Daniel DJ Rodriguez, California,
since one hundred and fifty one months in prison, assaulting
(32:00):
an officer with a taser. I mean, you know, guy
took a taste to a police officer. How much you're
gonna give him?
Speaker 12 (32:10):
He's I don't know. It's it's fad, It's no doubt
about it. It's bad, but I don't know. I know
the day was. It was a real bad day.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
But I think a bad day because of what these
people did. Now there's there's someone else here. There's there's
one here. For example, a guy out of Decata, Georgia,
Matthew J. Webler, sentenced to forty five days in prison
in order to pay five hundred and ten dollars. He
played guilty to one count of demonstrating in the capitol.
(32:41):
So that's someone who walked into the capitol. I could
see commuting his sentence or giving him a pardon, wiping
his record clean, because all he got was forty five days.
But there's a big difference between eighteen years. Here's another
guy out of Kentucky sentence a forty five years is
guilty of demonstra forty five days incarceration, sixty hours of
(33:04):
community service for pleading guilty in charge of demonstrating in
the capitol. I don't have. There's another guy fourteen days.
So there's quite a quite a range here. You can
look these up yourself as if you want. There's a
lot of them that are there are a lot of
them are pretty serious and some which look to me
to be pretty venial.
Speaker 13 (33:26):
Right right, Yeah, Well, you know what, I don't really
I don't see them giving a you know, burd of
sentences out now for eighteen he is, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 12 (33:36):
So I just seem it seems to be very.
Speaker 14 (33:39):
Politically motivated to be switch. That's that's my take on it.
You know, those sentences are very hot, I believe, I do.
I don't believe that those sentences.
Speaker 13 (33:50):
You know, justify what happened that day. I really don't.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
So, I mean, the people that get caught in the mix,
of course not you know, but it was a bad day.
It's a bad days. A lot of people that disagreed
was going on that day obviously.
Speaker 12 (34:05):
Uh, there was a lot of tension and it didn't
end up good for anybody.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
So but I you know, I'm kind of like totally
sick of hearing about it. It's time to move on,
put it behind us, and uh, you know, let's talk
about Biden's pods.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
Biden's pods were you know, I don't think uh, you know,
there was there's a lot to be said about what
he did. You know, it's almost admitting guilt.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Okay, So how much of a sentence? Here's one guy.
I'm not going to give you what his sentence was.
This guy was found guilty of four counts of assaulting
Metropolitan Police Department officers. So he assaulted four different Metropolitan
Police Department office. What sort of a sentence would you
give him if any.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
SEEZ I don't know.
Speaker 12 (34:53):
Four years, year of peace.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Four years well he got, he got eighty eight months.
Would your commute his sentence?
Speaker 12 (35:04):
Probably not?
Speaker 11 (35:04):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
No, okay, So we agree. We agree again. The people
who who got caught up in it and were were
yelling or screaming inside the Capitol. These people who have
who were given you know, I don't know, you know,
twenty days in prison or forty five days in prison.
Found that's not a problem. But there's the difference between
doing that getting caught up in the crowd and and
(35:28):
tate and hitting a police officer with a taser. That's
all I'm saying. Hey, Kevin, I appreciate your call, first
time calling.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Come on back soon, Okay, I appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (35:36):
Have a good night.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
You two gonna come right back. The only lines open
right now are six one, seven, nine three, one ten thirty.
I got Donna, Bill and Joe coming up, and I
got room for you at six one, seven, nine three,
one ten thirty.
Speaker 11 (35:52):
Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
All right, let's keep going. He're gonna go to Donna
and Framingham. Donna, appreciate your patience. Next time, Nightsager right ahead, Donna.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I was about ready to give up, but here I am.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
We take I'm glad you stuck around, but I gotta
tell you, yes, we take him as they come in, Donna,
no one, no one has held.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
I know, I know. Let me just start with a
real quick thing. The guy that was dressed up like
the shaman with the horns on his head and all
that stuff. Remember that guy, we had you to get him.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
He was quite memorable.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
We had to look at his hairy chest all day. Anyway,
here's what he just tweeted on X I got a
pardon baby, Thank you, miss country, God bless America. Okay,
so I just wanted to mention that, but then I
want to get to my own points.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
But I hope, I hope a little bit of what
you said got bleeped.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Donna.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Remember we are still on family Radio.
Speaker 10 (37:02):
Go ahead, I said, mother.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Is please please. I know you tried to clean it up,
but I think we know in effect what you said.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
I'm just reading the tree. Okay. The other point is
I agree with you totally. And the reason why President
Trump pardon those people, dan is because he backs the
Blue and left. They're trying to help him. That's why
he did it. Because they did it to help him.
(37:36):
That's why he come pardoned them.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
All right.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Another thing that also came out, I.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Think that I think that I don't disagree with your characterization,
but I think that's sort of either you back the
blue or you don't.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
As far as I well, I listen, Dan, I wanted
my president to succeed, and I'm because I always wanted
to as in the deced, But after forty eight hours,
I'm almost ready to throw in the towel. Did you
hear what he said about the Secret Service protection for
John Bolton?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, well, I was surprised to find out today that
vice presidents, full of vice presidents only received Secret Service
protection for six months. Now I assume they can be extended.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
But I always thought that John Bolton, John Bolton doesn't
he doesn't have to have it forever, but right now
the Iranians are trying to kill him. And when Donald Trump,
our president, was asked about that today, he went on
a tirade about how he shouldn't have it forever, which
is true, but the spread is ongoing. Yeah, and he
(38:47):
went on for the next three minutes to talk about
how dumb John Bolton.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Is, like that has anything to do with right, Well, yeah,
I did hear that again, That there's ovis is the
personal animus between him and Bolton, which he should step
aside in that decision if he was smart he would say, look,
John Bolton will have Secret Service for however long he
(39:12):
needs it. That his his protection will be determined by uh,
you know whatever, whether it's Secret Service or whether it's
the FBI or whomever it is. And I have Well, again,
he should just say I have no role in that decision.
If someone from Secret Service thinks Bolton should have protection
(39:36):
for another one hundred years, fine, Trump should step off
away from that if he was smart, but he's not.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
I'm glad you came back. I hope you're feeling better.
And I am so happy to hear that you say
about how you think this was a really stupid thing.
And again, try to convince me, Dan, I wanted to
give Donald Trump a chance. I didn't vote for him.
I reluctantly vote for three hours. I didn't like that either,
you know, forty eight hours later, a little bit more
(40:05):
than that. At this point, I'm almost ready to give
up already.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Well again, you know, everyone's gonna do what they have
to do in this set of circumstances. But I think
that from his perspective, it was an easy call. Jd
Vance a week ago said the violent protesters should not
receive commute. I was a week ago, a week ago,
you know, and he puts he puts his allies in
(40:32):
the uncomfortable position of having to agree with him or
else contradicting him. It's not a good way to start
day three of your presidency. Let me put it like that.
We can agree upon that. Thanks don, I'm glad you
hung on. Thank you, Minch. Talk to you later. By
all right, if you're on the line, stay there. If
you not give us a call, six seven two five
four ten thirty six seven nine thirty. This is what
(40:56):
I believe. I certainly was hoping that Donald Trump, second
time around, would be able to handle himself a little differently.
I thought his speech the other day was tough, but
I thought it was honest. I didn't have a whole
lot of trouble with his speech. But I have trouble
(41:18):
with pardoning people who have committed violence against the Capitol
building and more importantly, against the police officers who were
there to protect members of Congress. Republicans and Democrats alike.
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