February 17, 2025 • 39 mins
We began the program with four interesting guests on topics we think you should know more about!
Guests this hour included:
American Revolution Historian John L. Bell sharing the history of George Washington's time in Boston in honor of President's Day.
Mass Audubon Raptor Specialist Norman Smith talking about the nesting of snowy owls on Duxbury Beach this winter.
Chef Laura Klein, Instructor at the Cambridge School of Culinary Arts and Owner of Well Seasoned Coaching, talking about egg substitutes we can use in cooking now that the price of eggs has skyrocketed.
Joe Dion, Captain of the “Redrum” (and one of the fishermen on “Harpoon Hunters”) talking about what it's like catching Atlantic bluefin tuna using only 10-foot electrified spears and how two of his children suffer from Limb-Girdle Muscular Dystrophy 2C, a rare form of muscular dystrophy. Please consider a donation at: The Dion Foundation for Children with Rare Diseases.
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Guests this hour included:
American Revolution Historian John L. Bell sharing the history of George Washington's time in Boston in honor of President's Day.
Mass Audubon Raptor Specialist Norman Smith talking about the nesting of snowy owls on Duxbury Beach this winter.
Chef Laura Klein, Instructor at the Cambridge School of Culinary Arts and Owner of Well Seasoned Coaching, talking about egg substitutes we can use in cooking now that the price of eggs has skyrocketed.
Joe Dion, Captain of the “Redrum” (and one of the fishermen on “Harpoon Hunters”) talking about what it's like catching Atlantic bluefin tuna using only 10-foot electrified spears and how two of his children suffer from Limb-Girdle Muscular Dystrophy 2C, a rare form of muscular dystrophy. Please consider a donation at: The Dion Foundation for Children with Rare Diseases.
Ask Alexa to play WBZ NewsRadio on #iHeartRadio and listen to NightSide with Dan Rea Weeknights From 8PM-12AM!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston's news radio home.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Emma, thanks very much as we begin another week of Nightside.
And was it cold this weekend? We'll talk about that
a little later on. We'll also talk about the federal
debt with Harvard University professor Jeff Myron. But first I
like to introduce myself. I'm Dan Ray. I'm the host
of Nightside and with us tonight, Rob Brooks. This being
(00:30):
the President's holiday. President's Day holiday used to be February
twelfth for Lincoln and February twenty second for Washington, and
they have now made it the the what the third
Monday here February seventeenth, President's Day? With us, we have
a producer in Rob's stead, Dan Cantano. So that's the
team tonight, and of course you're going to join the
(00:51):
team by joining us with phone calls, but only after
nine o'clock. We have four very interesting guests to talk
about to talk with this first eight o'clock hour, and
we're going to start off with a historian, J. L. Bell.
A good evening, mister Bell, how are you this evening?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Very well?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Good you might I call you JL for short by all.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Means already can call it John Heyl. It's also for
telephone listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
All right, no problem me. The author of a book
called The Road to Conquer It How four Stolen Cannon
ignited the Revolutionary War, that was published in twenty sixteen
but is still available, And that's the subject of our
conversation tonight. Maybe what a lot of folks don't realize
is that George Washington actually came to the Boston area,
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and I guess had a home or a headquarters in
Cambridge that you know a lot more about than I
do for sure, in the summer of seventeen seventy five.
And you're going to do a lecture about this, I believe,
which we'll talk about a little bit later on March
thirteenth in Cambridge. We got a little preview tonight from
(02:01):
my audience. So Washington was here. He was the commander
in chief of the Continental Army before the United States
was the United States. Tell us about it, that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
He was chosen as the commander in chief, the General
Lisim Hope or General of all Generals to lead the
Continental Army as the Continental Congress took responsibility for the
army around Boston from the New England state, so at
osign colonies. At the time, it wasn't quite clear the
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colonies were still not fighting for independence that would come
in seventeen seventy six. But in seventeen seventy five they
were trying to push the British Army out of Boston
and therefore out of Massachusetts after the Battle of Lexington
and conquered in April. George Washington shows up in July
and he has suddenly this responsibility for this army of
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what he's been told, with twenty thousand men fighting against
the Royal British Army.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Now, where did they expect the Royal British Army to go?
I mean, they weren't going to go into the Atlantic Ocean.
Wasn't in effect the war really almost technically and away
at that point the Revolutionary War.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Oh, definitely, the war had definitely started, and well, the
British Army was very strong that the British Navy was
even stronger, and so they just wanted the soldiers and
any of their supporters to get on ships and leaves.
But it took nine months after George Washington arrived for
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them actually to do that.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
So Washington arrives in July of seventeen seventy five sort
of sets up shop in Cambridge. Is the facility, the
building where he used I guess as his mobile headquarters.
Is that still in existence today as it's been turned
into a museum. I'm unfamiliar with it.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yes, there are two houses in Cambridge that Washington used,
one immediately after your arrived, at the very beginning of
July July third. The second third is called the Wadsworth House,
and it is part of Harvard the buildings or that
define Harvard Yard. It's sort of built into the wall
around Harvard Yard now. And he was there formerly a
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couple of weeks. That was the Harvard College President's house,
and it turned out to be too small and probably
too close to the men who were barracked in the
college dorms. So then he moved out about a mile
away to a mansion that had been left behind by
a Loyalist family who had moved into Boston. And this
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was a very large it was in fact the largest
estate in Cambridge based on property taxes. It's the home
of John and Elizabeth Vassal. They had moved out and
he moved in and he stayed there for nine months,
from the middle of July seventeen seventy five until the
very beginning of April seventeen seventy six. So that was
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where he stood. Later Martha joined him, and that's how
he also had his office or meeting rooms there, and
that's where he learned to be commander in chief.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And the decisive the decisive battle involved these four cannons,
which I believe from my history I recall, were they
not actually pulled down here from somewhere in Vermont to
Dorchester Heights.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
All right, we're talking about two sets of cannons here.
The cannons that I wrote about in my book were
cannons that were stolen out of armories in Boston back
in September seventeen seventy four under the British control and
moved out of town, smuggled out of town by the Patriots,
smuggled out all the way to Conquered where the British
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found out about them and sent troops out. And that's
what happened in April seventeen seventy five. So the Patriots,
the provincials, had had some cannon, but they realized over
the course of seventeen thirty five they needed more, so
George Washington sent Henry Knox from his the headquarters in
Cambridge all the way up to late the forts along
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Lake Champlain, Fort Tykwonderoga, Crown Point. Knox went up there,
collected more cannon, larger cannon, more than fifty cannon, and
moved them down from that area along the Hudson River
and then across the Berkshires across Massachusetts to augment what
was already around Boston. And that provided enough firepower to
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make the British decide, you know, we don't have to
stay here, we could go to Well.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
The thing that was amazing about that is obviously you
think I have thought about it a lot, but I
want the audience. There were no trucks, there were no cars.
How did they move these cannons? What did they have
oxen or what sort of animals or was it just
human hands that moved the cannons?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It was horses and UH and people, and it was
also uh they benefited. We often talked about how awful
it must have been in the winter. Well, yes it
was pretty awful at times, but also they benefited from
winter because they could use say the frozen lakes and
move the cannon across the ice. They could use the
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snow snowy roads as long as they weren't too hilly. Uh.
It was easier to move heavy things along uh, slippery
roads than along you know, muddy roads. Uh so uh.
And it took h it took weeks and weeks for
Henry Knox to make that trip. It was one of
the big logistical operations of the first year of the war.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It's amazing to think how they even were able to
do that, and then how they were what they how
they fed these these troops and these horses, I mean,
and army moves on its stomach whether they're pulling cannons
or not. But when they're pulling cannons. Now, tell us
about I do want to mention your presentation at the
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Washington's Headquarters, the National Historic Site in Cambridge, March thirteenth.
Tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well, the mansion that General Washington used for most of
his time in Boston is called is now the Longfellow House,
Washington's Headquarters National Historic Site. It is part of the
National Park Service, which means it belongs to all of us.
And I am going to be speaking there around Evacuation Day,
which is the anniversary of the day that the British left.
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But this one, the Thursday nearest is the March thirteenth,
And I'm going to be speaking about how the Continental
Congress came to choose George Washington for this job, how
they chose this Fortythter, Virginia Planter as the man who
would lead the Continental army, almost all of which was
New Englanders.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Well, they made a great choice, that's for sure, as
history shows us. And maybe Providence had some and I'm
not talking about Rhode Island here. Providence, a term that
would have been used back then to refer to God Almighty,
might have had some influence it. So how can folks.
Is your event on the thirteenth open to the public?
(09:12):
Should they go to your website to sign up get tickets?
Tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You can go to the National Park Longfellow House, Washington's
headquarters National Historic Site website at NPS dot gov slash
long and look at it at the events and yes,
it will be on March thirteenth. You can sign up.
It is free. It is going to be in the
historic carriage house on that on that estate. So there
(09:39):
is a limited number of seats, but we're also going
to be taping it.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Give us, give us one more time the website a
little more slowly so people can write it down. Is it?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Did you say you? Dot? NPS dot gov slash long
l O NV for short for Longfellow.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Okay, NPS for National Park Service NPS dot gov slash
long J L. Bell. Thank you very much for your
time tonight. Fascinating story. I learned a lot. Thank you,
Thank you, Dan, talk to you again, Thank you very much.
When we get back, we're going to talk about something
a little different, a little bit more modern, but just
as I think inspiring, breathtaking, and that is the Arctic
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snowy owls that have been spending some time here on
Duxbury Beach. We will talk with a specialist, a raptor
specialist from the Audubon Society, Norman Smith. Right after this break.
My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside. You're listening
WBZ ten thirty am, Boston's news radio. We're at iHeartRadio station.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Now back to Dan Ray line from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I'm delighted to welcome Norman Smith. Mister Smith is with
the Massachusetts Automan Society. He's a raptor specialist. I'm gonna
talk talk about the Arctic snowy owl, mister Smith, Norman Smith,
welcome to Nightside. How are you?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Thanks a lot?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Dan So a raptor specialist. I didn't even realize that
snowy owls were raptors. I assume because they have big fangs, claws, talons.
Is that is that what defines a raptor.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
A raptor is a bird of prey, a bird that
feeds on something else. And there are a bunch of hawks, eagles,
and owls that make up the raptor group, and snowy
owls or one of them.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Well, I have seen a snowy owl and they are
with my own eyes, and they are an amazing species.
Tell us how many are there? How do they get here?
Tell us the whole story they've been wintering or at
least one? How many of that? And we got three
snowy owls that have come down. Is this a family
of some sort that have traveled three thousand miles to
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get here? Tell us everything we can get in in
a few minutes here because this is fascinating.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yeah, snowy owls are a bird that comes from the Arctic,
breed in the Arctic tundra, and they come down here
each winter, and the number of owls that comes down
varies dramatically for me at a year, depending on different
parameters such as food supply. When it's very difficult in
the Arctic and there isn't much food, they move out,
or if it's a tremendous amount of food and there's
a lot of breeding going on, there's many more owls
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that can travel further south. So we have owls that
show up in Massachusetts. They generally come here and show
up in November and stay till sometime in April, May, June, July.
And during twenty thirteen we actually had two snowy owls
that spent the year here, so it was the first
resident snowy owls we have. They come down from the
Arctic and they love places like Logan Airport. And since
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nineteen eighty one, I've been capturing snowy owls at Logan
Airport and then relocating them for the safety of the
owls and the plains, and I bring the birds down
at Duxbury Beach and this year I've actually captured thirteen
snowy owls so far, and they've been hanging around Duxbury.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Beach, Okay. So the question is I know the answer
is going to be very carefully, but it capture a snowy.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Owl, Well, we actually use what's called a bonet. It's
like a hoop type net, and then we take an
animal like a styling or a mouse and put in
a little wire cage to protect it in the middle
of this trap. And when the owl comes in, we
actually manually trigger the trap with a string and a
little fishing rod and we capture them, and then we
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put a band on them and we track the birds.
We put satellite transmitters on these birds back in two
thousand for the first time. It was the first time
wintering snowy owls have I had transmitters. It was done
here in Massachusetts. We put them on and track these
owls back to the Arctic for the first time to
prove that these owls do make it back to the
Arctic and they have viable breeders. We had one All
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of that in nine months. Travel seven four hundred and
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Miles talk about frequent flyer miles, so so you get
a big trap, and I assume you have two porstions
of the trap, one portion of the trap that you
want the snowy owl to go in, and the other
portion of the trap somewhat protected. Is what a mouse
or something something like that?
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Yes, yet exactly in a little wire cage. And then
we trap them, you know, we capture them, and then
you know, band them, way them, collect blood samples, collect parasites,
and then you know, bring them down.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Let me ask you this, This is a dumb question.
But I get paid a lot of money. Not I
get paid a lot of money, get paid some money
to ask dumb questions. Do the mice ever have like
a heart attack when the owls to the age? They
do they realize they're protected?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
No?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
I think they realized they're protected her. And not only that,
but it's ones that I've used on a regular basis.
So it's almost like they know the gig and how
it works.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Okay, Well, if they know the gig, I'm okay with that. Okay,
So now you got the snow How much is a
snowy owl away from I haven't got as close as
you out of them, but they look like they're pretty hefty.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
They're a good size bird.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
They can be about thirty two inches long, and they
have about a six foot wingspan. And then the males
are smaller than the females, like all the females are
much larger. The males weigh about four pounds and the
females weigh about six pounds.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
That's all. I guess. It's all feathers and stuff, So yeah,
I guess, but beautiful birds. Okay, so now you have
relocated you said thirteen of them already this year out
of Logan Airport. Why did they go to Logan Airport?
Did they think they're on the flight pattern or something?
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Well, Logan airport. You know, I've captured over nine hundred
snowy owls that I relocated from Logan Airport. I've asked
every single one and none have responded, so we really
don't know. But if you look at the airport, it
actually has a wide open tundra habitat, you know, wide
open grassland eighteen hundred acres that looks very much like
the Arctic tundra, and it's surrounded on three sides by water,
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so there's lots of ducks and things to eat, so
there's lots of food and it looks more like home
to them than probably anyplace else around.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
All Right, So you relo, how many snowy owls do
you think are now hanging out in Massachusetts this month
of February. We're in the middle of winter. It feels
like the Arctic out there. I was out there today.
I swear to God, I thought it was on the
wrong side of the Arctic circle. How many snowy owls
do we have hanging in our neighborhood?
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Well, we probably had somewhere in the vicinity of twenty
to twenty five snowy owls in the state. But one
of the issues that's taken place in the last two
weeks is bird flu has had a huge impact, especially
on ducks and peace in southeastern Massachusetts. And because snowy
owls eat a lot of waterfowl, they're very susceptible. And
I've already picked up six snowy owls that we're having
(16:35):
tested right now to see if they died from the
bird flu. So fortunately some of these birds have succumbed
to this. This bird flu issue. It's something that started
back over in China and the first time it showed
up in New England was back in two thousand and two,
and during that year it showed up in the waterfowl
and one of the first birds again to get it
was snowy owls.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Unfortunately, I hate to say this, but it seems like whatever,
it always starts in China. So I mean, that's that's
that's a huge that's a huge issue. So so we've
lost some snowy owls this year. When will they start
to migrate back home, back north up to the Arctic circle.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Well, what the transmit is we put on the birds.
We see the birds starting to leave the state sometime
usually in March or April, and by the end of
April they're usually on their way back.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
To the Arctic to the breeding grounds.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Okay, so they hang through Saint Patrick's Day, which certainly
is a wonderful, you know, festivity that that everybody had
Saint Patrick's Day in Massachusetts. Everybody should experience it, and
then they head back north. These are these are magnificent birds.
Where can people go in your opinion, if between now
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and the middle of March they have the time, is
Duxbury Beach the place to be.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Well, Duxbury Beach is certainly a good location of CM
and one of the reasons we release them on Duxbury
Beach is because they have a presence of ranges there
that helped protect the owls and help you know, photographers
and birders get a chance to see these birds and
educate people about them. There's signage down there about snowy
owls and where they come from. You can also go
north on the north shore to a plumb Island or
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a Tallberry beach. That's that's a good location.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
And we thought that.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
These birds might live to be ten to twelve years old. However,
five years ago I caught a snowy owl that I
banned twenty four years ago, so you know, these birds
can live to be at least twenty four and who
knows how long they can live. The bird I caught
was a bird that you wonder how many times did
it come to Massachusetts during its lifetime. I doubt it
was the two times I caught it when it was
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a young juvenile bird and when it was an adult.
So these birds, do you know, wander around and they're nomadic.
They traveled tremendous distances for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Too bad you couldn't have checked their passport. You could
have figured it out, but Yeah. Look, I've really enjoyed
this conversation. I learned more from you about snowy owls
in about ten minutes than I ever imagined I would.
How can folks get more information? Got a website we
can push people too.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yeah, if you go to mass Autumn on dot org
and then click on snowy owls, we have a web
page that talks about the snowy owl project that we
have done. We started it back in nineteen eighty one
capturing birds at Logan Airport. We were the first ones
to actually capture and relocate birds at an airport rather
than shooting them. And we've actually helped set up parameters
so that other airports, you know, with the USDA, can
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actually capture and relocate these birds rather than shooting them
for the safety of the owls and the planes. You know,
we do this work.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Norman Smith, this was a great segment. I really appreciate
your time tonight, and I know my audience does as well.
Thank you so much, my friend.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
All Right, have a great day.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
All right, we get back right after the news. At
the bottom of the hour, are going to be talking
with chef Laura Klin. She's an instructor at the Cambridge
School of Culinary Arts and the owner of Well Seasoned Coaching,
not Well Seasoned Cooking, Well Seasoned Coaching. We'll explain it all.
Going to talk about the price of eggs, egg shortages,
and some egg substance that might help you in your kitchen.
(20:02):
Coming back on Night Side right after the break at
the bottom of the hour of the WBZ Now it's
eight thirty two. News went a little long with that segment,
but I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Awaits Night Side with Dan Ray. I'MBZ Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well Jonie's now is Chef Laura Kline. She's an instructor
of the Cambridge School of Culinary Arts and owner of
Well Seasoned Coaching, not Well Seasoned Cooking. Welcome, Chef Clin.
How are you tonight?
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I'm great. How are you doing, Dan?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I'm doing just great. Do you remember the faculty at
the Chef Coaching program the Institute of Lifestyle Medicine at
Harvard Medical School. That sounds really interesting. Tell us about
Well Seasoned Coaching, and tell us about the Institute of
Lifestyle Medicine, and then we're going to talk about the
price of eggs.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Okay, sounds good. Yeah. Through the Chef Coaching Program through
the Harvard School of Medicine, we teach allied health professionals
like physicians, mostly how to teach their patients how to
cook at home, because when you cook at home, you're
going to cook healthier than eating out. Just the fact
that you're cooking at home means that you're going to
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eat healthier and cook healthier.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well, you know, it's funny because those of us who don't,
who don't feel we're natural cooks, it's tough. What advice
would you give to someone like me? I eat, you know,
five nights a week. My wife is still at work,
I'm at home. I want to try to eat healthy.
(21:37):
I try as best I can, But more often than not,
I'm having a can of you know, progressivele miniSTR own
soup or turkey on dark rye. I'm not doing a
lot of cooking. What can I do that's simple and
easy and really tasty. Sometimes I will go and buy
some of the legal seafood dinners for want and yeah,
(22:00):
thrill that in the oven. That's probably extented for cooking.
Maybe you know it's probably not you know, high whole cuisine.
Let's put it like that.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Well, well, at the Camber School, I teach a class
on the Camber School of Clony Arts. We have a
plant based series of cooking, and we teach people like
basically how to cook with plant based proteins and make
things that taste really delicious with like vegetables and whole grain.
So my favorite is just like roasting some root vegetables
like sweet potatoes and beets and carrots, and they get
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really caramelized without putting any like fat on them. You
just put a little like spray little oil on them,
a little salt, roast, and then you can get some
lentils or chickpeas and roast those at.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
The same time.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Put them all on the sheet tray, toss them together,
put them over some like brown rice or farrow, Drizzle
a little tahini on there, and you've got like a
dinner like all in one sheet tray. It's really easy
and delicious.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Now, are these recipes avail to knuckleheads like I who
would never try to buy a cooking book? You know,
of five hundred or six hundred pages? Is there is
there is there somewhere you can send you know, the
Neanderthals such as me and others who are listening tonight.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Absolutely so.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
We I have some some great recipes on a website
called new cook dot org. It's like nucook dot org
where we've got over three hundred recipes, a lot of
plant based recipes and they're really simple and recordings. Do
you see me teaching the classes and it'll teach you
how to do it step by step and the recipes
(23:37):
are there as well.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, great new cook but spelled in you like Northeastern
University from uh. I guess you have your MBA from
Northeastern University, but in you cook Seoka dot org. That's great. Now,
tell us about the price of eggs. I know people
are going into a panic over the price of eggs,
and I understand that, but yeah, I can remember when
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gas prices went through the roof. The good thing about
eggs is that you might buy a cart in a week,
or maybe a cart in every two weeks or whatever,
but you know, and it's cost them a little extra money.
And hopefully when of the Avian flew subsides, those egg
prices will come back down. We talked last hour with
an expert in the Snowy Owl and is saying that
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some of the snowy owls that had migrated here have
been victims of the bird flow sadly. But as I said,
when gas prices went up, you were going from to
something a gallon to four something a gallon, and when
you were filling your car up it was ten twelve
to fifteen fifteen gallons, which was a big hit financially.
(24:44):
What can folks do if they really have trouble finding eggs?
You said that there is some I guess, some alternatives,
some egg substitutes that can help.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
You know, absolutely, And it's interesting because there's a lot
of reasons why people we might want to switch from
eggs to like a plant based substitute. Like there's health reasons,
there's allergies, and now there's the price, right, the price
of eggs. So there are a lot of different substitutes
that you can use for eggs, but it kind of
depends on what you're substituting for, you know, because eggs
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provide different things when you're cooking and baking, Like they
can be a binder like to hold things together. They
can provide levining, you know, like the helps cake rise.
They can provide moisture, and also like the appearance. So
it kind of depends on what you're trying to substitute for.
So I'll give you an example. So when you're making
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like let's say you're making like a quick bread or
muffins or cookies, and you want to get that like
moisture in there, you can use pureade fruits, so like
for example, apple sauce or pumpkin pure. Yeah, that you
use like a quarter of a cup, and that would
substitute for one egg. And it has less fat and
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no cholesterol, and sometimes there's even some protein and like
some kind of plant based substitutes. So in some cases
it can be like a good healthy substitute as well.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Now, again I'm always looking for somewhere I can send people.
Is that newcook dot org website also going to be
helpful for egg substitutes as well?
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Well, it's not going to say like exactly that you
know what to substitute one for one. There are a
lot of websites out there that can give you that information,
Like the I like healthline dot org or healthline dot com.
They have a lot of great information on nutrition. So
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that's one great resource.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Great. Now tell us about well Seasoned Coaching dot com.
That's your website, correct or is that the school website?
Speaker 6 (26:58):
No, that's me. That's me.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
So so what.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Can people if they go to that website tell us
what they get the benefits of checking out that website.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Yeah, so they can connect with me. So what I
do is I work with people one on one and
in groups, and I teach them. I combine coaching techniques,
which is how to help meet people make behavior change
with culinary skills, so teaching them like how to cook,
how to cook healthy, but then also how to make
those changes. Because you know, you can tell people how
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to do something, but let's you show them and teach
them those techniques and help them make those changes so
that it becomes a habit. You're not going to actually
incorporate them, like you were saying. You you know, when
you get home at night and you just kind of
grab for the you know, the quickest thing. That's kind
of a habit, So you have to kind of change
that behavior.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Right. Well, what I got excited about was when you
talked about roasting or root vegetables and you talked about
sweet potatoes and beats. There's no that that I love
more in any form than beats. I think I must
have some Russian in my background. I don't, but I
love beats on salads. I just have a huge beat fan.
(28:12):
So I'm going to check out your websites, and i'd
really appreciate you taking the time with us tonight, because
it's it's tough on radio to explain something like you
just explained so well. I want to say thank you
so much.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Oh, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
I hope that you get some great tips, and I
hope that you start cooking more at home and you're
going to be healthy or just put it's back to
doing that now.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
You're absolutely right. It takes a little extra time. Time
is the one thing all of us don't have enough off.
Most of us don't have enough money, but all of
us don't have enough time. That clock keeps ticking on
all of us. And healthy eating will extend the amount
of time we have, for sure. Chef and Laura Klein.
Her website is well seasoned coaching all one word dot com.
(28:57):
Check it out. Thank you so much, Chef. I appreciate
shat your time tonight.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
Okay, you have a great night, Dan you too, Thanks again.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Thanks again. When we get back, we're going to talk
about a ship. Talk with a ship captain. Captain his
ship is called red Rum, and they go out in
search of Atlantic bluefin tuna, high high pressure business. There's
a new series that you may have seen him on
(29:26):
called Harpoon Hunters, premiered on January twenty fourth. It's episodes
every Friday at nine on the Discovery Channel. And he
also is very concerned about a foundation, his family foundation,
which we'll talk about, the Dion Foundation for Children with
rare diseases. He has two children and eleven year old son,
(29:46):
a seven year old daughter diagnosed with a rare form
of muscular dystrophe. We'll talk about it all with Joe Dion,
Captain Joe Dion of the vessel red Rum. Right after
the break here at night Side.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Radio with the letter be joined by Captain Joe Dion.
He's the captain of a fishing vessel. I believe it's
pronounced red Rum, not reed drum.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Right, Hey, yes, that's correct. It's called the red Rum
like the shining.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
No, okay, all right, And you now are participating in
a new television program on the Discovery Channel, which premiered
on January twenty fourth and is still airy new episodes
every Friday at nine pm called Harpoon Hunters. You go
out in I guess a fairly limited period of time
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fishing for a very valuable fish, the Atlantic bluefin tuna.
Why is the fish so valuable and how tough are
they to catch?
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeh, Dan, thanks for having me on on tonight. Every
summer off the coast of Cape Cod, giant bluef and
tune and they're massive fish. They grow up to like
fifteen hundred pounds show up in our waters. They're they're
super hard to catch. And we we use boats that
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are fabricated with a big long pulpit off the bottle
of the boat and we actually spear them like like
the old whalers in Nantucket and we hit him with
a yeah, like what we did, and we hit him
with a little bit of electricity and it and it
kills the fish instantly so they don't suffer and it
creates the best quality fish for the market.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
So how close do you have to get to these fish?
Is this is this a harpoon that you throw or
that you shoot it? And what's the distance? How close.
Do you got to get to these these animals?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, we we use, we use, we can. We're in
the hour of the boat all day and we're looking
for these fish swimming along at the surface. And when
they're swimming, they create a little wake behind the fish,
and for a trained eye you can see it. It's
hard to notice if you're just driving along, but we're
used to looking at him, so we sneak up behind
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the fish as this. You know, we kind of drive
the boat the same direction as the fish are going
behind them. And you know, the whole trick is when
to throw because they're freely swimming. They're not there's no
fishing line attached to them like you see on others
TV shows, And yeah, we have to. It's the whole
trick is when to throw because you they'll be swimming
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along and you know, these big, massive fish can kick
their tail twice and then we're going fifty miles an hour.
So it's a it's a game on experienced patients.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
And okay, so so okay, we know how how long,
how far Tom Brady can throw a football. We know
how accurately Dwight Evans used to fire a ball from
from right field to third base. How far do you
what's your range with this?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
It's a twenty yeah. Yeah, So my feet are ten
feet over the ocean, and I'm twenty feet extended in
front of the boat, and I'm probably throwing another fifteen
to twenty feet out. So it's it's probably thirty thirty
by the time the harpoon leaves my hands. It's the
fish is probably thirty thirty five feet away from me. Yeah,
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so it looks closer on the TV, but it's not.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Okay, So let me ask you just to give us
a sense of how tough this is, and then we're
going to move on and talk about the charity. You
know Tom Brady and you know Patrick Mahomes. You know
they'll have a a completion percentage of sometimes as high
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as seventy seventy two percent. What's your percentage? What? What?
How many? What's the percentage of times you fill that harpoon?
You hit gold?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
It's tough.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
All I can tell you is you remember the ones
you miss more than the ones you hit. The ones
that you miss onto you.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
And so so once the fish, once you hit the fish,
the fish is dead instantaneously.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah. If we send uh electric is an electric charge
that goes down through a zappora cable. Yeah, and then
it and it goes into the dark and uh and
it creates Actually, it's the most sustainable way. So these
groups of these fish, maybe twenty or thirty fish in
a group, and we catch one at a time, and
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these same groups of fish can swim across the Atlantic
Ocean and then other boats harvest the whole entire schools.
So we're trying, we're trying to teach you in and
bring everyone awareness and show them that it's a real
sustainable way of catching these these fish than harvests.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Okay, so distance a couple of other quick questions here,
so you yeah, it's a it's a it's what is
it a month long period when when these these fish
are are available.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah, so it's the quota stots June first, and we
have about fifty to seventy metric tons dependent upon the
year if they give us any reserve, and that coal
to get filled up within six or seven weeks. So
it's really a true derby fishery. If you're not catching
someone else's yep, you really got it. You can't miss
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any opportunities.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Okay, Now, in addition to doing that and that this
is your livelihood. Correct.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah, well yeah, it's it's it's it's it's.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yes, Yeah, I mean this is a livelihood. Now you're
doing this thing Harpoon Hunters on the Discovery Channel, which
I'm sure some of our viewers, if some of our
listeners going to go want to watch on Friday nights,
which is fine. But you also have the d On
Foundation for Children with Great Diseases. You have two children
who suffer from limb girdle muscularistrophy. Two c. How can
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people help this foundation? Your foundation? How can they get
more information on it? I don't expect you can spend
a lot of time talking about it, but you know,
peak people's interests. There are a lot of great charities,
and this sounds like another great charity.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
So two of my three children got diagnosed with limb
girdle muscular distrophy a couple of years back. It's a
super rare form of muscular dystrophy and it basically wastes
your muscles and it eventually affects the hot and breathing muscles.
So's it was the worst day of my life finding
this out and my wife and I dropped what we
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were doing when we start at the foundation because the
prevalence is so small and there's other big, great organizations,
but we wanted to focus directly on limb girdles type
two CE because we didn't feel it was a big
enough group just focusing on that specific subtype. So we've
started to raise money. We've raised a good amount and
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we're funding the first ever clinical trial down in Gainesville, Florida.
So you can check us out on the dyonfund dot org.
I mean, you know, we're not expecting everyone to donate
one hundred and two hundred dollars, but even five or
ten dollars means a lot to my family. And it's
the Beyonfund dot org. Check us out. You can just
follow us on Instagram and uh Facebook, is this if I.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
If I could ask just real quickly, Joe, is this
a childhood disease or could this strike people at any age?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
So they were born with it, and you know, Peter
grew out, he walked at a normal age, and then
when he was around eight years old, he stopped. You know,
he wasn't keeping up with his friends as much. My wife,
being a nurse, he noticed it, and she she said, Joe,
it might be something serious. So she took him in
and got a blood draw and then you know, everything
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went everything.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
How many kiddos every year are impacted by this? How
rare is this?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
The prevalence of this is we say between five hundred
and one thousand between the United States and Europe, So
it's super rare. And if there was a bigger, bigger
disease you'd have, it would be a lot easier to
raise funding, you know, because it's based on numbers. So
it's give us the.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Website so people can get perhaps pop open their checkbooks,
give us the website web time.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Thank you. It's thedon fund dot org and don.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Spelled d i o n, so the d i o
n fund dot org. Joe, congratulations on your success with
the Discovery Channel and hopefully we'll have a similar success
with this rare form of musculatitions.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Thank you, and thanks for bringing it up in the show.
You know it's it's it's Friday nights at nine o'clock
on the Discovery Channel. You can stream it on HBO Max.
But it's super cool, like the group of guys that
are all fishing, are all great guys, and it's it's
a competition. It gets heated out there in the water,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Let me ask you, can you catch you prior episodes?
Can you google and get the prior episodes on TV?
I'm on the air on Friday nights, every Monday, every
weeknight from me to midnight.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I want to see the show, Yeah, for sure, so
you can check it out HBO, Mexican zoom it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Best best of luck with fishing, and best of luck
with helping your children and other children around the country.
Thank you so much for joining us tonight. We'll keep
in touch.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Thank you for having me, sir.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
You're welcome, Joe. When we get back, we're going to
talk about the federal debt. You're going to have an
economics lesson from a Harvard economics professor, Jeff Myron coming
back on Night's side.
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston's news radio home.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Emma, thanks very much as we begin another week of Nightside.
And was it cold this weekend? We'll talk about that
a little later on. We'll also talk about the federal
debt with Harvard University professor Jeff Myron. But first I
like to introduce myself. I'm Dan Ray. I'm the host
of Nightside and with us tonight, Rob Brooks. This being
(00:30):
the President's holiday. President's Day holiday used to be February
twelfth for Lincoln and February twenty second for Washington, and
they have now made it the the what the third
Monday here February seventeenth, President's Day? With us, we have
a producer in Rob's stead, Dan Cantano. So that's the
team tonight, and of course you're going to join the
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team by joining us with phone calls, but only after
nine o'clock. We have four very interesting guests to talk
about to talk with this first eight o'clock hour, and
we're going to start off with a historian, J. L. Bell.
A good evening, mister Bell, how are you this evening?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Very well?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Good you might I call you JL for short by all.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Means already can call it John Heyl. It's also for
telephone listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
All right, no problem me. The author of a book
called The Road to Conquer It How four Stolen Cannon
ignited the Revolutionary War, that was published in twenty sixteen
but is still available, And that's the subject of our
conversation tonight. Maybe what a lot of folks don't realize
is that George Washington actually came to the Boston area,
(01:41):
and I guess had a home or a headquarters in
Cambridge that you know a lot more about than I
do for sure, in the summer of seventeen seventy five.
And you're going to do a lecture about this, I believe,
which we'll talk about a little bit later on March
thirteenth in Cambridge. We got a little preview tonight from
(02:01):
my audience. So Washington was here. He was the commander
in chief of the Continental Army before the United States
was the United States. Tell us about it, that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
He was chosen as the commander in chief, the General
Lisim Hope or General of all Generals to lead the
Continental Army as the Continental Congress took responsibility for the
army around Boston from the New England state, so at
osign colonies. At the time, it wasn't quite clear the
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colonies were still not fighting for independence that would come
in seventeen seventy six. But in seventeen seventy five they
were trying to push the British Army out of Boston
and therefore out of Massachusetts after the Battle of Lexington
and conquered in April. George Washington shows up in July
and he has suddenly this responsibility for this army of
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what he's been told, with twenty thousand men fighting against
the Royal British Army.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Now, where did they expect the Royal British Army to go?
I mean, they weren't going to go into the Atlantic Ocean.
Wasn't in effect the war really almost technically and away
at that point the Revolutionary War.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Oh, definitely, the war had definitely started, and well, the
British Army was very strong that the British Navy was
even stronger, and so they just wanted the soldiers and
any of their supporters to get on ships and leaves.
But it took nine months after George Washington arrived for
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them actually to do that.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
So Washington arrives in July of seventeen seventy five sort
of sets up shop in Cambridge. Is the facility, the
building where he used I guess as his mobile headquarters.
Is that still in existence today as it's been turned
into a museum. I'm unfamiliar with it.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yes, there are two houses in Cambridge that Washington used,
one immediately after your arrived, at the very beginning of
July July third. The second third is called the Wadsworth House,
and it is part of Harvard the buildings or that
define Harvard Yard. It's sort of built into the wall
around Harvard Yard now. And he was there formerly a
(04:17):
couple of weeks. That was the Harvard College President's house,
and it turned out to be too small and probably
too close to the men who were barracked in the
college dorms. So then he moved out about a mile
away to a mansion that had been left behind by
a Loyalist family who had moved into Boston. And this
(04:37):
was a very large it was in fact the largest
estate in Cambridge based on property taxes. It's the home
of John and Elizabeth Vassal. They had moved out and
he moved in and he stayed there for nine months,
from the middle of July seventeen seventy five until the
very beginning of April seventeen seventy six. So that was
(04:57):
where he stood. Later Martha joined him, and that's how
he also had his office or meeting rooms there, and
that's where he learned to be commander in chief.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And the decisive the decisive battle involved these four cannons,
which I believe from my history I recall, were they
not actually pulled down here from somewhere in Vermont to
Dorchester Heights.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
All right, we're talking about two sets of cannons here.
The cannons that I wrote about in my book were
cannons that were stolen out of armories in Boston back
in September seventeen seventy four under the British control and
moved out of town, smuggled out of town by the Patriots,
smuggled out all the way to Conquered where the British
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found out about them and sent troops out. And that's
what happened in April seventeen seventy five. So the Patriots,
the provincials, had had some cannon, but they realized over
the course of seventeen thirty five they needed more, so
George Washington sent Henry Knox from his the headquarters in
Cambridge all the way up to late the forts along
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Lake Champlain, Fort Tykwonderoga, Crown Point. Knox went up there,
collected more cannon, larger cannon, more than fifty cannon, and
moved them down from that area along the Hudson River
and then across the Berkshires across Massachusetts to augment what
was already around Boston. And that provided enough firepower to
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make the British decide, you know, we don't have to
stay here, we could go to Well.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
The thing that was amazing about that is obviously you
think I have thought about it a lot, but I
want the audience. There were no trucks, there were no cars.
How did they move these cannons? What did they have
oxen or what sort of animals or was it just
human hands that moved the cannons?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It was horses and UH and people, and it was
also uh they benefited. We often talked about how awful
it must have been in the winter. Well, yes it
was pretty awful at times, but also they benefited from
winter because they could use say the frozen lakes and
move the cannon across the ice. They could use the
(07:19):
snow snowy roads as long as they weren't too hilly. Uh.
It was easier to move heavy things along uh, slippery
roads than along you know, muddy roads. Uh so uh.
And it took h it took weeks and weeks for
Henry Knox to make that trip. It was one of
the big logistical operations of the first year of the war.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It's amazing to think how they even were able to
do that, and then how they were what they how
they fed these these troops and these horses, I mean,
and army moves on its stomach whether they're pulling cannons
or not. But when they're pulling cannons. Now, tell us
about I do want to mention your presentation at the
(08:05):
Washington's Headquarters, the National Historic Site in Cambridge, March thirteenth.
Tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well, the mansion that General Washington used for most of
his time in Boston is called is now the Longfellow House,
Washington's Headquarters National Historic Site. It is part of the
National Park Service, which means it belongs to all of us.
And I am going to be speaking there around Evacuation Day,
which is the anniversary of the day that the British left.
(08:31):
But this one, the Thursday nearest is the March thirteenth,
And I'm going to be speaking about how the Continental
Congress came to choose George Washington for this job, how
they chose this Fortythter, Virginia Planter as the man who
would lead the Continental army, almost all of which was
New Englanders.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Well, they made a great choice, that's for sure, as
history shows us. And maybe Providence had some and I'm
not talking about Rhode Island here. Providence, a term that
would have been used back then to refer to God Almighty,
might have had some influence it. So how can folks.
Is your event on the thirteenth open to the public?
(09:12):
Should they go to your website to sign up get tickets?
Tell us about that.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You can go to the National Park Longfellow House, Washington's
headquarters National Historic Site website at NPS dot gov slash
long and look at it at the events and yes,
it will be on March thirteenth. You can sign up.
It is free. It is going to be in the
historic carriage house on that on that estate. So there
(09:39):
is a limited number of seats, but we're also going
to be taping it.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Give us, give us one more time the website a
little more slowly so people can write it down. Is it?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Did you say you? Dot? NPS dot gov slash long
l O NV for short for Longfellow.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Okay, NPS for National Park Service NPS dot gov slash
long J L. Bell. Thank you very much for your
time tonight. Fascinating story. I learned a lot. Thank you,
Thank you, Dan, talk to you again, Thank you very much.
When we get back, we're going to talk about something
a little different, a little bit more modern, but just
as I think inspiring, breathtaking, and that is the Arctic
(10:22):
snowy owls that have been spending some time here on
Duxbury Beach. We will talk with a specialist, a raptor
specialist from the Audubon Society, Norman Smith. Right after this break.
My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside. You're listening
WBZ ten thirty am, Boston's news radio. We're at iHeartRadio station.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Now back to Dan Ray line from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I'm delighted to welcome Norman Smith. Mister Smith is with
the Massachusetts Automan Society. He's a raptor specialist. I'm gonna
talk talk about the Arctic snowy owl, mister Smith, Norman Smith,
welcome to Nightside. How are you?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Thanks a lot?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Dan So a raptor specialist. I didn't even realize that
snowy owls were raptors. I assume because they have big fangs, claws, talons.
Is that is that what defines a raptor.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
A raptor is a bird of prey, a bird that
feeds on something else. And there are a bunch of hawks, eagles,
and owls that make up the raptor group, and snowy
owls or one of them.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Well, I have seen a snowy owl and they are
with my own eyes, and they are an amazing species.
Tell us how many are there? How do they get here?
Tell us the whole story they've been wintering or at
least one? How many of that? And we got three
snowy owls that have come down. Is this a family
of some sort that have traveled three thousand miles to
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get here? Tell us everything we can get in in
a few minutes here because this is fascinating.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yeah, snowy owls are a bird that comes from the Arctic,
breed in the Arctic tundra, and they come down here
each winter, and the number of owls that comes down
varies dramatically for me at a year, depending on different
parameters such as food supply. When it's very difficult in
the Arctic and there isn't much food, they move out,
or if it's a tremendous amount of food and there's
a lot of breeding going on, there's many more owls
(12:19):
that can travel further south. So we have owls that
show up in Massachusetts. They generally come here and show
up in November and stay till sometime in April, May, June, July.
And during twenty thirteen we actually had two snowy owls
that spent the year here, so it was the first
resident snowy owls we have. They come down from the
Arctic and they love places like Logan Airport. And since
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nineteen eighty one, I've been capturing snowy owls at Logan
Airport and then relocating them for the safety of the
owls and the plains, and I bring the birds down
at Duxbury Beach and this year I've actually captured thirteen
snowy owls so far, and they've been hanging around Duxbury.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Beach, Okay. So the question is I know the answer
is going to be very carefully, but it capture a snowy.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Owl, Well, we actually use what's called a bonet. It's
like a hoop type net, and then we take an
animal like a styling or a mouse and put in
a little wire cage to protect it in the middle
of this trap. And when the owl comes in, we
actually manually trigger the trap with a string and a
little fishing rod and we capture them, and then we
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put a band on them and we track the birds.
We put satellite transmitters on these birds back in two
thousand for the first time. It was the first time
wintering snowy owls have I had transmitters. It was done
here in Massachusetts. We put them on and track these
owls back to the Arctic for the first time to
prove that these owls do make it back to the
Arctic and they have viable breeders. We had one All
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of that in nine months. Travel seven four hundred and
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Miles talk about frequent flyer miles, so so you get
a big trap, and I assume you have two porstions
of the trap, one portion of the trap that you
want the snowy owl to go in, and the other
portion of the trap somewhat protected. Is what a mouse
or something something like that?
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Yes, yet exactly in a little wire cage. And then
we trap them, you know, we capture them, and then
you know, band them, way them, collect blood samples, collect parasites,
and then you know, bring them down.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Let me ask you this, This is a dumb question.
But I get paid a lot of money. Not I
get paid a lot of money, get paid some money
to ask dumb questions. Do the mice ever have like
a heart attack when the owls to the age? They
do they realize they're protected?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
No?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
I think they realized they're protected her. And not only that,
but it's ones that I've used on a regular basis.
So it's almost like they know the gig and how
it works.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Okay, Well, if they know the gig, I'm okay with that. Okay,
So now you got the snow How much is a
snowy owl away from I haven't got as close as
you out of them, but they look like they're pretty hefty.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
They're a good size bird.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
They can be about thirty two inches long, and they
have about a six foot wingspan. And then the males
are smaller than the females, like all the females are
much larger. The males weigh about four pounds and the
females weigh about six pounds.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
That's all. I guess. It's all feathers and stuff, So yeah,
I guess, but beautiful birds. Okay, so now you have
relocated you said thirteen of them already this year out
of Logan Airport. Why did they go to Logan Airport?
Did they think they're on the flight pattern or something?
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Well, Logan airport. You know, I've captured over nine hundred
snowy owls that I relocated from Logan Airport. I've asked
every single one and none have responded, so we really
don't know. But if you look at the airport, it
actually has a wide open tundra habitat, you know, wide
open grassland eighteen hundred acres that looks very much like
the Arctic tundra, and it's surrounded on three sides by water,
(15:46):
so there's lots of ducks and things to eat, so
there's lots of food and it looks more like home
to them than probably anyplace else around.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
All Right, So you relo, how many snowy owls do
you think are now hanging out in Massachusetts this month
of February. We're in the middle of winter. It feels
like the Arctic out there. I was out there today.
I swear to God, I thought it was on the
wrong side of the Arctic circle. How many snowy owls
do we have hanging in our neighborhood?
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Well, we probably had somewhere in the vicinity of twenty
to twenty five snowy owls in the state. But one
of the issues that's taken place in the last two
weeks is bird flu has had a huge impact, especially
on ducks and peace in southeastern Massachusetts. And because snowy
owls eat a lot of waterfowl, they're very susceptible. And
I've already picked up six snowy owls that we're having
(16:35):
tested right now to see if they died from the
bird flu. So fortunately some of these birds have succumbed
to this. This bird flu issue. It's something that started
back over in China and the first time it showed
up in New England was back in two thousand and two,
and during that year it showed up in the waterfowl
and one of the first birds again to get it
was snowy owls.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Unfortunately, I hate to say this, but it seems like whatever,
it always starts in China. So I mean, that's that's
that's a huge that's a huge issue. So so we've
lost some snowy owls this year. When will they start
to migrate back home, back north up to the Arctic circle.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Well, what the transmit is we put on the birds.
We see the birds starting to leave the state sometime
usually in March or April, and by the end of
April they're usually on their way back.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
To the Arctic to the breeding grounds.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Okay, so they hang through Saint Patrick's Day, which certainly
is a wonderful, you know, festivity that that everybody had
Saint Patrick's Day in Massachusetts. Everybody should experience it, and
then they head back north. These are these are magnificent birds.
Where can people go in your opinion, if between now
(17:45):
and the middle of March they have the time, is
Duxbury Beach the place to be.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Well, Duxbury Beach is certainly a good location of CM
and one of the reasons we release them on Duxbury
Beach is because they have a presence of ranges there
that helped protect the owls and help you know, photographers
and birders get a chance to see these birds and
educate people about them. There's signage down there about snowy
owls and where they come from. You can also go
north on the north shore to a plumb Island or
(18:11):
a Tallberry beach. That's that's a good location.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
And we thought that.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
These birds might live to be ten to twelve years old. However,
five years ago I caught a snowy owl that I
banned twenty four years ago, so you know, these birds
can live to be at least twenty four and who
knows how long they can live. The bird I caught
was a bird that you wonder how many times did
it come to Massachusetts during its lifetime. I doubt it
was the two times I caught it when it was
(18:35):
a young juvenile bird and when it was an adult.
So these birds, do you know, wander around and they're nomadic.
They traveled tremendous distances for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Too bad you couldn't have checked their passport. You could
have figured it out, but Yeah. Look, I've really enjoyed
this conversation. I learned more from you about snowy owls
in about ten minutes than I ever imagined I would.
How can folks get more information? Got a website we
can push people too.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yeah, if you go to mass Autumn on dot org
and then click on snowy owls, we have a web
page that talks about the snowy owl project that we
have done. We started it back in nineteen eighty one
capturing birds at Logan Airport. We were the first ones
to actually capture and relocate birds at an airport rather
than shooting them. And we've actually helped set up parameters
so that other airports, you know, with the USDA, can
(19:22):
actually capture and relocate these birds rather than shooting them
for the safety of the owls and the planes. You know,
we do this work.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Norman Smith, this was a great segment. I really appreciate
your time tonight, and I know my audience does as well.
Thank you so much, my friend.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
All Right, have a great day.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
All right, we get back right after the news. At
the bottom of the hour, are going to be talking
with chef Laura Klin. She's an instructor at the Cambridge
School of Culinary Arts and the owner of Well Seasoned Coaching,
not Well Seasoned Cooking, Well Seasoned Coaching. We'll explain it all.
Going to talk about the price of eggs, egg shortages,
and some egg substance that might help you in your kitchen.
(20:02):
Coming back on Night Side right after the break at
the bottom of the hour of the WBZ Now it's
eight thirty two. News went a little long with that segment,
but I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Awaits Night Side with Dan Ray. I'MBZ Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well Jonie's now is Chef Laura Kline. She's an instructor
of the Cambridge School of Culinary Arts and owner of
Well Seasoned Coaching, not Well Seasoned Cooking. Welcome, Chef Clin.
How are you tonight?
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I'm great. How are you doing, Dan?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I'm doing just great. Do you remember the faculty at
the Chef Coaching program the Institute of Lifestyle Medicine at
Harvard Medical School. That sounds really interesting. Tell us about
Well Seasoned Coaching, and tell us about the Institute of
Lifestyle Medicine, and then we're going to talk about the
price of eggs.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Okay, sounds good. Yeah. Through the Chef Coaching Program through
the Harvard School of Medicine, we teach allied health professionals
like physicians, mostly how to teach their patients how to
cook at home, because when you cook at home, you're
going to cook healthier than eating out. Just the fact
that you're cooking at home means that you're going to
(21:14):
eat healthier and cook healthier.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Well, you know, it's funny because those of us who don't,
who don't feel we're natural cooks, it's tough. What advice
would you give to someone like me? I eat, you know,
five nights a week. My wife is still at work,
I'm at home. I want to try to eat healthy.
(21:37):
I try as best I can, But more often than not,
I'm having a can of you know, progressivele miniSTR own
soup or turkey on dark rye. I'm not doing a
lot of cooking. What can I do that's simple and
easy and really tasty. Sometimes I will go and buy
some of the legal seafood dinners for want and yeah,
(22:00):
thrill that in the oven. That's probably extented for cooking.
Maybe you know it's probably not you know, high whole cuisine.
Let's put it like that.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Well, well, at the Camber School, I teach a class
on the Camber School of Clony Arts. We have a
plant based series of cooking, and we teach people like
basically how to cook with plant based proteins and make
things that taste really delicious with like vegetables and whole grain.
So my favorite is just like roasting some root vegetables
like sweet potatoes and beets and carrots, and they get
(22:33):
really caramelized without putting any like fat on them. You
just put a little like spray little oil on them,
a little salt, roast, and then you can get some
lentils or chickpeas and roast those at.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
The same time.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Put them all on the sheet tray, toss them together,
put them over some like brown rice or farrow, Drizzle
a little tahini on there, and you've got like a
dinner like all in one sheet tray. It's really easy
and delicious.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Now, are these recipes avail to knuckleheads like I who
would never try to buy a cooking book? You know,
of five hundred or six hundred pages? Is there is
there is there somewhere you can send you know, the
Neanderthals such as me and others who are listening tonight.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Absolutely so.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
We I have some some great recipes on a website
called new cook dot org. It's like nucook dot org
where we've got over three hundred recipes, a lot of
plant based recipes and they're really simple and recordings. Do
you see me teaching the classes and it'll teach you
how to do it step by step and the recipes
(23:37):
are there as well.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, great new cook but spelled in you like Northeastern
University from uh. I guess you have your MBA from
Northeastern University, but in you cook Seoka dot org. That's great. Now,
tell us about the price of eggs. I know people
are going into a panic over the price of eggs,
and I understand that, but yeah, I can remember when
(24:00):
gas prices went through the roof. The good thing about
eggs is that you might buy a cart in a week,
or maybe a cart in every two weeks or whatever,
but you know, and it's cost them a little extra money.
And hopefully when of the Avian flew subsides, those egg
prices will come back down. We talked last hour with
an expert in the Snowy Owl and is saying that
(24:20):
some of the snowy owls that had migrated here have
been victims of the bird flow sadly. But as I said,
when gas prices went up, you were going from to
something a gallon to four something a gallon, and when
you were filling your car up it was ten twelve
to fifteen fifteen gallons, which was a big hit financially.
(24:44):
What can folks do if they really have trouble finding eggs?
You said that there is some I guess, some alternatives,
some egg substitutes that can help.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
You know, absolutely, And it's interesting because there's a lot
of reasons why people we might want to switch from
eggs to like a plant based substitute. Like there's health reasons,
there's allergies, and now there's the price, right, the price
of eggs. So there are a lot of different substitutes
that you can use for eggs, but it kind of
depends on what you're substituting for, you know, because eggs
(25:18):
provide different things when you're cooking and baking, Like they
can be a binder like to hold things together. They
can provide levining, you know, like the helps cake rise.
They can provide moisture, and also like the appearance. So
it kind of depends on what you're trying to substitute for.
So I'll give you an example. So when you're making
(25:39):
like let's say you're making like a quick bread or
muffins or cookies, and you want to get that like
moisture in there, you can use pureade fruits, so like
for example, apple sauce or pumpkin pure. Yeah, that you
use like a quarter of a cup, and that would
substitute for one egg. And it has less fat and
(25:59):
no cholesterol, and sometimes there's even some protein and like
some kind of plant based substitutes. So in some cases
it can be like a good healthy substitute as well.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Now, again I'm always looking for somewhere I can send people.
Is that newcook dot org website also going to be
helpful for egg substitutes as well?
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Well, it's not going to say like exactly that you
know what to substitute one for one. There are a
lot of websites out there that can give you that information,
Like the I like healthline dot org or healthline dot com.
They have a lot of great information on nutrition. So
(26:46):
that's one great resource.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Great. Now tell us about well Seasoned Coaching dot com.
That's your website, correct or is that the school website?
Speaker 6 (26:58):
No, that's me. That's me.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
So so what.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Can people if they go to that website tell us
what they get the benefits of checking out that website.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Yeah, so they can connect with me. So what I
do is I work with people one on one and
in groups, and I teach them. I combine coaching techniques,
which is how to help meet people make behavior change
with culinary skills, so teaching them like how to cook,
how to cook healthy, but then also how to make
those changes. Because you know, you can tell people how
(27:30):
to do something, but let's you show them and teach
them those techniques and help them make those changes so
that it becomes a habit. You're not going to actually
incorporate them, like you were saying. You you know, when
you get home at night and you just kind of
grab for the you know, the quickest thing. That's kind
of a habit, So you have to kind of change
that behavior.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Right. Well, what I got excited about was when you
talked about roasting or root vegetables and you talked about
sweet potatoes and beats. There's no that that I love
more in any form than beats. I think I must
have some Russian in my background. I don't, but I
love beats on salads. I just have a huge beat fan.
(28:12):
So I'm going to check out your websites, and i'd
really appreciate you taking the time with us tonight, because
it's it's tough on radio to explain something like you
just explained so well. I want to say thank you
so much.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Oh, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
I hope that you get some great tips, and I
hope that you start cooking more at home and you're
going to be healthy or just put it's back to
doing that now.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
You're absolutely right. It takes a little extra time. Time
is the one thing all of us don't have enough off.
Most of us don't have enough money, but all of
us don't have enough time. That clock keeps ticking on
all of us. And healthy eating will extend the amount
of time we have, for sure. Chef and Laura Klein.
Her website is well seasoned coaching all one word dot com.
(28:57):
Check it out. Thank you so much, Chef. I appreciate
shat your time tonight.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
Okay, you have a great night, Dan you too, Thanks again.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Thanks again. When we get back, we're going to talk
about a ship. Talk with a ship captain. Captain his
ship is called red Rum, and they go out in
search of Atlantic bluefin tuna, high high pressure business. There's
a new series that you may have seen him on
(29:26):
called Harpoon Hunters, premiered on January twenty fourth. It's episodes
every Friday at nine on the Discovery Channel. And he
also is very concerned about a foundation, his family foundation,
which we'll talk about, the Dion Foundation for Children with
rare diseases. He has two children and eleven year old son,
(29:46):
a seven year old daughter diagnosed with a rare form
of muscular dystrophe. We'll talk about it all with Joe Dion,
Captain Joe Dion of the vessel red Rum. Right after
the break here at night Side.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Radio with the letter be joined by Captain Joe Dion.
He's the captain of a fishing vessel. I believe it's
pronounced red Rum, not reed drum.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Right, Hey, yes, that's correct. It's called the red Rum
like the shining.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
No, okay, all right, And you now are participating in
a new television program on the Discovery Channel, which premiered
on January twenty fourth and is still airy new episodes
every Friday at nine pm called Harpoon Hunters. You go
out in I guess a fairly limited period of time
(30:46):
fishing for a very valuable fish, the Atlantic bluefin tuna.
Why is the fish so valuable and how tough are
they to catch?
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeh, Dan, thanks for having me on on tonight. Every
summer off the coast of Cape Cod, giant bluef and
tune and they're massive fish. They grow up to like
fifteen hundred pounds show up in our waters. They're they're
super hard to catch. And we we use boats that
(31:18):
are fabricated with a big long pulpit off the bottle
of the boat and we actually spear them like like
the old whalers in Nantucket and we hit him with
a yeah, like what we did, and we hit him
with a little bit of electricity and it and it
kills the fish instantly so they don't suffer and it
creates the best quality fish for the market.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
So how close do you have to get to these fish?
Is this is this a harpoon that you throw or
that you shoot it? And what's the distance? How close.
Do you got to get to these these animals?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah, we we use, we use, we can. We're in
the hour of the boat all day and we're looking
for these fish swimming along at the surface. And when
they're swimming, they create a little wake behind the fish,
and for a trained eye you can see it. It's
hard to notice if you're just driving along, but we're
used to looking at him, so we sneak up behind
(32:18):
the fish as this. You know, we kind of drive
the boat the same direction as the fish are going
behind them. And you know, the whole trick is when
to throw because they're freely swimming. They're not there's no
fishing line attached to them like you see on others
TV shows, And yeah, we have to. It's the whole
trick is when to throw because you they'll be swimming
(32:40):
along and you know, these big, massive fish can kick
their tail twice and then we're going fifty miles an hour.
So it's a it's a game on experienced patients.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
And okay, so so okay, we know how how long,
how far Tom Brady can throw a football. We know
how accurately Dwight Evans used to fire a ball from
from right field to third base. How far do you
what's your range with this?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
It's a twenty yeah. Yeah, So my feet are ten
feet over the ocean, and I'm twenty feet extended in
front of the boat, and I'm probably throwing another fifteen
to twenty feet out. So it's it's probably thirty thirty
by the time the harpoon leaves my hands. It's the
fish is probably thirty thirty five feet away from me. Yeah,
(33:28):
so it looks closer on the TV, but it's not.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Okay, So let me ask you just to give us
a sense of how tough this is, and then we're
going to move on and talk about the charity. You
know Tom Brady and you know Patrick Mahomes. You know
they'll have a a completion percentage of sometimes as high
(33:51):
as seventy seventy two percent. What's your percentage? What? What?
How many? What's the percentage of times you fill that harpoon?
You hit gold?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
It's tough.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
All I can tell you is you remember the ones
you miss more than the ones you hit. The ones
that you miss onto you.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
And so so once the fish, once you hit the fish,
the fish is dead instantaneously.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah. If we send uh electric is an electric charge
that goes down through a zappora cable. Yeah, and then
it and it goes into the dark and uh and
it creates Actually, it's the most sustainable way. So these
groups of these fish, maybe twenty or thirty fish in
a group, and we catch one at a time, and
(34:36):
these same groups of fish can swim across the Atlantic
Ocean and then other boats harvest the whole entire schools.
So we're trying, we're trying to teach you in and
bring everyone awareness and show them that it's a real
sustainable way of catching these these fish than harvests.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Okay, so distance a couple of other quick questions here,
so you yeah, it's a it's a it's what is
it a month long period when when these these fish
are are available.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah, so it's the quota stots June first, and we
have about fifty to seventy metric tons dependent upon the
year if they give us any reserve, and that coal
to get filled up within six or seven weeks. So
it's really a true derby fishery. If you're not catching
someone else's yep, you really got it. You can't miss
(35:25):
any opportunities.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Okay, Now, in addition to doing that and that this
is your livelihood. Correct.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah, well yeah, it's it's it's it's it's.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yes, Yeah, I mean this is a livelihood. Now you're
doing this thing Harpoon Hunters on the Discovery Channel, which
I'm sure some of our viewers, if some of our
listeners going to go want to watch on Friday nights,
which is fine. But you also have the d On
Foundation for Children with Great Diseases. You have two children
who suffer from limb girdle muscularistrophy. Two c. How can
(35:59):
people help this foundation? Your foundation? How can they get
more information on it? I don't expect you can spend
a lot of time talking about it, but you know,
peak people's interests. There are a lot of great charities,
and this sounds like another great charity.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
So two of my three children got diagnosed with limb
girdle muscular distrophy a couple of years back. It's a
super rare form of muscular dystrophy and it basically wastes
your muscles and it eventually affects the hot and breathing muscles.
So's it was the worst day of my life finding
this out and my wife and I dropped what we
(36:38):
were doing when we start at the foundation because the
prevalence is so small and there's other big, great organizations,
but we wanted to focus directly on limb girdles type
two CE because we didn't feel it was a big
enough group just focusing on that specific subtype. So we've
started to raise money. We've raised a good amount and
(37:02):
we're funding the first ever clinical trial down in Gainesville, Florida.
So you can check us out on the dyonfund dot org.
I mean, you know, we're not expecting everyone to donate
one hundred and two hundred dollars, but even five or
ten dollars means a lot to my family. And it's
the Beyonfund dot org. Check us out. You can just
follow us on Instagram and uh Facebook, is this if I.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
If I could ask just real quickly, Joe, is this
a childhood disease or could this strike people at any age?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
So they were born with it, and you know, Peter
grew out, he walked at a normal age, and then
when he was around eight years old, he stopped. You know,
he wasn't keeping up with his friends as much. My wife,
being a nurse, he noticed it, and she she said, Joe,
it might be something serious. So she took him in
and got a blood draw and then you know, everything
(37:57):
went everything.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
How many kiddos every year are impacted by this? How
rare is this?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
The prevalence of this is we say between five hundred
and one thousand between the United States and Europe, So
it's super rare. And if there was a bigger, bigger
disease you'd have, it would be a lot easier to
raise funding, you know, because it's based on numbers. So
it's give us the.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Website so people can get perhaps pop open their checkbooks,
give us the website web time.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Thank you. It's thedon fund dot org and don.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Spelled d i o n, so the d i o
n fund dot org. Joe, congratulations on your success with
the Discovery Channel and hopefully we'll have a similar success
with this rare form of musculatitions.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Thank you, and thanks for bringing it up in the show.
You know it's it's it's Friday nights at nine o'clock
on the Discovery Channel. You can stream it on HBO Max.
But it's super cool, like the group of guys that
are all fishing, are all great guys, and it's it's
a competition. It gets heated out there in the water,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Let me ask you, can you catch you prior episodes?
Can you google and get the prior episodes on TV?
I'm on the air on Friday nights, every Monday, every
weeknight from me to midnight.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I want to see the show, Yeah, for sure, so
you can check it out HBO, Mexican zoom it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Best best of luck with fishing, and best of luck
with helping your children and other children around the country.
Thank you so much for joining us tonight. We'll keep
in touch.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Thank you for having me, sir.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
You're welcome, Joe. When we get back, we're going to
talk about the federal debt. You're going to have an
economics lesson from a Harvard economics professor, Jeff Myron coming
back on Night's side.
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