February 24, 2025 • 38 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about! For one of our segments this evening we discussed startup tech companies testing patches to deliver weight-loss drugs and other medications instead of hypodermic needles.
Dive into the world of dolphins in new film Call of the Dolphins at the New England Aquarium! Jonathan Bird - Film's director joined Dan.
Learn more about Bob Dylan's First Demo and The Bob Neuwirth Collection to be showcased in Boston Auction. Bobby Livingston, Executive Vice President at RR Auction joined Dan.
No more needles? Startups are testing patches to deliver weight-loss drugs and other medications. Scott Kirsner, Boston Globe Contributor joined Dan to discuss.
Finally, Dr. Jennifer Burns, DVM, MPVM veterinarian at Petsmart Veterinary Services joined Dan to discuss cold weather pet safety tips.
Ask Alexa to play WBZ NewsRadio on #iHeartRadio and listen to NightSide with Dan Rea Weeknights From 8PM-12AM!
Dive into the world of dolphins in new film Call of the Dolphins at the New England Aquarium! Jonathan Bird - Film's director joined Dan.
Learn more about Bob Dylan's First Demo and The Bob Neuwirth Collection to be showcased in Boston Auction. Bobby Livingston, Executive Vice President at RR Auction joined Dan.
No more needles? Startups are testing patches to deliver weight-loss drugs and other medications. Scott Kirsner, Boston Globe Contributor joined Dan to discuss.
Finally, Dr. Jennifer Burns, DVM, MPVM veterinarian at Petsmart Veterinary Services joined Dan to discuss cold weather pet safety tips.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks very much to call. You are indeed the best.
My name is Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nightside
with Dan Ray, the appropriately named program, and tonight Rob
Brooks has taken the night off and in studio back
in the the big control room at Broadcast headquarters is
Mike Templeton. So please be good to Mike when you
(00:28):
call in after nine o'clock. We're going to be talking
about some interesting issues tonight. We're going to ask you
at ten o'clock or at some point later tonight, whether
you're rethinking your airline travel with all the problems and
cooling the problem today with that plane out of Atlanta
that had to go back to the airport smoking the cabin.
(00:48):
And then at nine o'clock we're going to talk about
prosecution and deportation. What is the best path to follow
when someone is here illegally and they are charged with
a serious crime, a violent crime. This seems to be
a little bit of a split between local officials and
the Trump administration. If you read the front top of
(01:09):
the fold piece in the Boston Globe this morning was
a really interesting piece. We'll get to all of that,
I promise. But first we're going to start off with
our guests this evening, and we will begin with our
first guest tonight, Jonathan Bird. Jonathan is going to tell
us about a new movie, special movie called Call of
(01:32):
the Dolphins. He's the producer. I think this is truly
his project. Jonathan Bird, you're the film's director, and you're
also a native, a local guy from North Reading. Tell
us a little bit about yourself, then I want to
talk about the film. How'd you get into this business?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Well, you know, it's funny. I got into this business
because of I needed a gym credit in college, I
believe it or not. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't believe that
when I was in college. You know, you're paying all
this money to go to school and then they make
you take fizz ed. But you know, as it turns out,
they offered scuba diving as a fized credit. And I'm
(02:12):
in love with the ocean, and so I guess the
fizz ed credit was kind of a good thing.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I hope you went to a southern school and you
weren't scuba diving off the coast of Maine in the
middle of the winter.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
No, I went to Worcester Polytech Electrical Engineering and I
did I did my my open water checkout dives in
Gloucester in like thirty degree water in March, and I
froze my butt off.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Wow, no dolphins with you on those dives, that's for sure.
So so you, I assume have spent a lot of
time underwater and a lot of times a lot of
time with dolphins. I'm led to believe. I'm no expert,
but I'm told that dolphins are incredibly intelligent, and to
some extent, they have a lot of similarities with those
(03:01):
of us who are more landa based human beings.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Dolphins are definitely very intelligent, and I have a funny
feeling that they're actually they can be. They can be
kind of a bunch of like jokesters. Like they love
to they love to sneak up on you. They love
to slap you with their you know, their fins when
you're not looking. They're they're kind of fun animals. And
(03:26):
I did my first trip with dolphins in ninety five,
actually thirty years ago. And in fact, the very first
trip I did with dolphins in the Bahamas with was
with a guy named Captain Wayne Scott Smith, who's kind
of a dolphin whisperer who runs a boat where people
swim with wild dolphins, and thirty years later he is
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one of the stars of this film. So we developed
kind of a lifelong friendship and I got to come
full circle and make a film where he is part
of the action. So that was really kind of exciting.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So now the film, the movie, how long is it?
By the way, it's on the giant screen at the
New England Aquarium Simon's Theater. But how use is the video?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
It's forty minutes, which is kind of the standard length
for these films. And it's a film about people who
love dolphins. I have the snarky answer when people ask
me what's the film about? I say dolphins. But really
it's not a film about dolphins. It's a film about
people who love dolphins. It's a film that features, for example,
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I thought out on Cape Cod where they rescue as
many as four hundred dolphins a year to get stuck
in Cape Cod when the tide goes down and they're
stuck on the mud banks. It features researchers, for example,
down in Sarasota, Florida, and in Hawaii, that are studying
wild dolphins. And it also features my buddy, Captain Wayne
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Scott Smith, who's kind of a dolphin whisperer. He's been
swimming with dolphins for forty years and they know him personally,
so he literally has one on one relationship with hundreds
of dolphins that he recognizes and recognize him.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
That's amazing. I can't wait to see this now. You
said it's about forty minutes long, and the film made
its world debut, so it's already had his debut at
the New England Aquarium. How long is it going to
be there for people to enjoy?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
What's interesting about you mentioned the world debut. What's interesting
about that is this is my fourth Giant screen film
and it's the first one that had its world premiere
in my hometown. So I was really excited that we
had our premiere in Boston and we had a big
event and we had all of our friends and it
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was great fun. And they have signed on. They don't
sign on for how long they're going to show it.
They sign on for how many showings it's going to have.
They've signed on for seven hundred screenings of the show,
and that's at least a year, at least a year. Yeah,
so I don't know exactly how.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
How many screen are there during a week. I mean,
do they do one a day? I mean, obviously seven
hundred I can do the math. We're talking about that,
so nearly two years if they just do one a day.
But do they have multiple showings during the Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Well, I mean it can change.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Right now.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Right now it's showing I think four times a day.
It alternates with another film, so but that could change
him as the film has been in the theater longer,
they may bring in another film and then drop the
number of screenings. But yeah, it's it's playing several times
a day at least for the next year.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So great is this exclusive to the New England Aquarium
And no one's going to be able to see this
on HBO. We're Cinemax at least for a while.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So this is a giant screen film and they're really
they're shot and edited to be seen on really big screens,
and you would never get the right experience to see
it on like Netflix or something. It's just the screen
would be too small. And also it's in three D
and three D is really awesome on a giant screen
(07:23):
and people always think, oh, three D I'm not gonna
like it. Trust me when I tell you the three
D on this is really nicely done. People are gonna
love it.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Okay, perfect, you've convinced me. I guess people. The easiest
thing is they need to just get to the aquarium,
which is anyaq dot org. We'll give the aquarium acall,
get some tickets, figure out when it works for their families,
and get down and see the call of the dolphins.
And we're not talking about the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
No we're not.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
We're definitely talking about actual dolphins that go underwater.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
All rights. That's great. I love it. I love it.
That's a good line, Jonathan. I appreciate what you do.
What's your next project? If I could ask, or can
you tell us?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So we're working on a film about what happens in
the ocean at night, but it won't be out for
a couple of years, so definiteenty of time to go,
go go get called a dolphins.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Got We're gonna go see the dolphins, that's for sure.
So again it's any for New England AQ for aquarium
just lowercase ANYAQ dot org and the number can be
found pretty easily at that website and get yourself some
tickets and get in and see the call of the Dolphins.
I really do appreciate Jonathan taking the time and congratulations
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on this. Sounds like a magnificent video. Thank you, Thanks
so much.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Dan, You're very welcome.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well we get back. We're gonna go from the Dolphins
to Bob Dylan. I will explain. My name is Dan Ray.
This is Nightside, heard every Monday through Friday night right
here on WBZ, Boston's news radio. You can listen to
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(09:04):
sixty five days a year. We'll be back talking about
Bob Dylan with somebody who is an expert on an
upcoming Bob Dylan auction.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Now back to Dan Ray line from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ the News.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Radio, joining us as the executive vice president at our auction,
Bobby Livingston. Bobby has been with us before, he gets it.
He understands how exciting some of these live auctions can be. Bobby,
Welcome back to night Side.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Thanks, Dan, It's good to talk to you again.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Man. A lot of people love, you know, sports auctions,
but this is an auction dealing with Bob Dylan. Obviously
there's a movie out right now dealing with Bob Dylan.
So Bob Dylan is a pretty hot commodity right now.
And you have several Bob Dylan items, the Bob Dylan's
(10:04):
first demo tape tape, it was the original master recording
that's going to be up for auction. And you've also
got the collection of an individual by the name of
Bob Newworth. I do not know who Bob Newworth is,
but obviously he must have been a big Bob Dylan collector.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Well, Bob Newarth was like Bob Dylan's best friend. When
you saw the movie the Plame movie, the guy that
is in the bar were doing hit, that's Newworth. And
so the character of Bob Neworth is in the movie,
and he was in Don't Look Back. But Bob Neworth
was a great artist that was here in Boston. Not
only a folks singer, but he was he was also
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a pretty prominent artist.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I went on to be will admit to you, Bob,
if he had been like a backup shortstop for the
Red Sox in the seventies. I would know his name.
We all have our wheelhouse. Or if he had been
you know, a city councilor in Salem back in the
nineteen eighties, I probably would know his or her name.
But I again, that's why you're here. You're the expert,
and you're gonna give us a lot of the background
(11:08):
and the perspective on this. So. So is this how
the Bob Newarth collection came to be, because obviously it
looks as if he has some some great Bob Dylan materials. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I mean he played on stage with Bob Dylan during
the Rollings under Review, which which the was the big
tour around New England in the in the seventies, like
in seventy five and seventy six. So it was a
pretty famous tour of Bob Dylan when he painted his
face white. You remember those dann You remember those shots?
Maybe not, but anyway, I was hanging at.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Red Sox games in the truth.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Well, seventy five team was pretty good. I can understand this.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I know who Bob Dylan was h and he still is.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
He's still alive, right, correct, very much.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I don't want to put him in past edge. He's
not up there in the big juke box with Elvis
at this point. No, I get that, No, but I
just I just want to make sure that people in
the audience who are Dylan fans just get excited about this.
I'm excited talking to you about Bob Dylan. So I
but I got to ask you these questions. So tell
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us about the newestion.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Go ahead, Well we've got his. You know that those
nudy CITs that the country Western stars used to wear,
that with all the sparkles and the rhinestones and the
designs on them. Well we've got Bob Newarth's that Bob
Dylan bought for him to wear on this Rolling Thunder tour.
And so he actually wore this particular Newy suit at
a very famous concert called Knight of the Hurricane uh
(12:45):
in in Houston. So these are Dan, stick with me.
These are really cool things. Let me tell you, this
is phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And trust me, it's like you're telling me that you
got the bet that Ted Williams at his final home
run off of Jack Fish Sure on September twenty eighth
here at Fenway Park in nineteen sixty. I get it,
I get it, keep going, tell me more.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well, there's also a guitar that Bob Dylan bought for
Newarth in New York City that he played on this
whole tour. There's lots of video and photographs of Newarth
and Dylan with this particular car So guitar. So that's
really cool.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Bob Dylan's first demo tape. I would assume that that
would be something that any artist would keep for you,
for well, for the family.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
The first demo tape is actually from a different consigner,
which is Bob Dylan's very first manager, Terry Tall, who
who she was married to, Davon Rock, another Folks singer
in New York. So Dylan asked her to be his
manager and she made this tape. She made this tape
to get him gigs at forty seven here in Boston
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and uh and uh so this is coming right from
her collection. It's the it's the first professional demo tape
that was ever made of Bob. It wasn't done in
a studio, It was done in the Gaslight Cafe in
New York. But it sounds great and it actually worked.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
This is this is an honest question. I certainly know
who Bob Dylan was. But but again, I was not.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Hanging on Bob Dylan.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Is I forget I already made that point before. Boys,
I'm trying to get to you. What I'm trying to
get from you is I. When Jimmy Buffett passed, I
was surprised to learn that Buffett had played a lot
in his early career here at clubs in Boston, which
kind of surprised me. How how much was Bob Dylan
a part of the music scene in Boston as he
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was starting out.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Well, He's famously on his first record he talks about
I'm learning the song baby let Me follow you down
that Rick von Schmidt taught him, and he said, you know,
I learned him the in Harvard Yard, so in Cambridge,
so Dylan, So yeah, so Dylan. Dylan uh made a
point of coming to Boston and playing several times before
he really hit it big. So he was around. There
(15:08):
was a vibrant, vibrant folks scene here that Dylan wanted
to be a part of before he was famous.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Let me get Let me give you a tip that
that might be of some help to you. Dylan did
spend time in Cambridge, and he spent a lot of
time with Harvey Silverglade, who's a well known lawyer UH
in Cambridge. Uh and his wife Elsa, and Elsa took
a lot of pictures of Bob Dylan. So I'm a
(15:36):
weird that that Dylan in time, you know, in the
Boston Cambridge area. But I wasn't sure, you know, if
you played at Club Passim or or whatever, you know
Paul's mall. I mean, I'm just wondering if you know,
off he had some of the locale locations that he
that he appeared at.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, he played at pass he played it, you know,
forty seven, and he and he played folk festivals and
you know, as he got bigger, he played the bigger
the bigger auditoriums. But yeah, he was definitely here. I
don't know all all the names of the old folk clubs,
but for sure Club forty seven.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
So when is the auction and and what can folks do?
Is this a live auction or is this one that
people will participate in remotely?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
It's it's online. It's at our website at our auction
dot com. And there's a whole there's about seventy five
lots related to Bob Doyling, and it's it ends on
March twelve, and it's you know, it's a simple, easy process.
It's it's a timed auction. It's pretty exciting.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
So each item has a final bid time. Are they
all final bid on March twelve?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah, basically there's a thirty minute time on every lot
that starts at seven pm on March twelve. So it's
it's kind of it's kind of like an eBay style almost,
but it's a little different. But it's timed. People would
be familiar with it.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, I get you, but I'm trying to help you
out here. So can people go on to your auction site? Now?
Are our auction and see what's available?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's all. It's online. This bidding
is going on right now.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
And that's what I need what I need to know.
And uh again, what is the what's the website? Are
our auction dot com?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Man r R A U c K I one dot
com And we're right here in Boston.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I can spell auction. I'm sure what is r R
stand for? Refresh my recollection on.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
That rare and remarkable man rare and remarkable.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Should I remember that our auction dot Com. All right, Bob.
I enjoyed learning a little bit more about Bob Dylan,
and I appreciate you taking the time to uh to share,
to share with us. Tonight we'll do it again, Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, I'm always grateful to be on with you, man,
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Back at you, right back at you. Bobby Livings there
are he's the executi vice press of our auction. We
got the news coming up at the bottom of the
hour right now at eight thirty. After that, I've been
talking with Scott Kirshner of the Boston Globe talking about
some startups that are testing for patches to deliver weight
loss drugs as well as other medications. So we'll get
to all of that, and then later on in this
(18:18):
hour we'll talk with doctor Jennifer Bruns about cold weather
pet safety tips. We think about making sure that furry
friends are not exposed to the heat of the of
July and August, but they can they can have problems
in the cold weather as well. So those are the
two items coming up. My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside.
We'll be right back following the news and a couple
(18:40):
of commercial messages.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Well to welcome Scott Kirshner, Globe correspondent to our desk,
to our to our show. Hey Scott, welcome to Nightside.
How are you.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
How are you just fine? So you have written a
piece that appeared just last week? No more needles. Question
Mark startups are testing patches to deliver weight loss drugs
and other medications. I mean, these weight loss drugs like
Wugovi and ozempic, they're going off the chart.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
I mean I was gonna say they can't make them
fast enough. And you know, you hear about people going
from drug store to drug store to get their prescription.
So these are definitely the definition of a blockbuster drug.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, you know it's interesting. I worry about those. I
guess about fifteen million people according to your article read
this new generation of weight loss drugs. It sounds like
a very effective, but maybe too much, too easy a
way to lose weight. Have they done much study on
these drugs in terms of if when people take the
(19:52):
weight off, they're able to maintain their new weight.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
No.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
I mean that's the dirty secret of these drugs, is
that one you start taking them, it's a you know,
it's going to be a lifetime medication.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Assuming you want to keep.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
That, you want to keep the weight off, you know
you really can't. There aren't a lot a lot of
studies showing that you can stop taking the drugs and
maintain the same weight level.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
The thing I was.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Looking at in this piece is is, you know, these
kinds of drugs and lots of other drugs that people
take require an injection once a week or once a month.
And there are some really interesting startups around the Boston
area that are trying to do these injections or deliver
these drugs with a patch that you would stick on
your skin for a half hour an hour, rather than
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with a needle that you'd have to poke yourself with
or get someone to poke you with.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, I'm sure that a lot of people are needophobic,
if that's if that's a term of art, I get that.
What it's interesting when you think of when I think
of the patch, I think about nikked tine patches. Yeah,
I been pretty successful. If you know this. We don't
(21:05):
script questions here, so if I asked you a question
that's way off base, tell me do the nicotine patches.
Do they work for a period of time, you'll lose
the addiction to nicotine and you're off the SIGs forever,
or do you have to keep using that patch for
the rest of your life. Is that sort of the model.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I think those are.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I think the nicketine patches are different where they are
delivering a dose of nicotine to help you kick the
habit and that you can eventually taper down and stop
using the patches. The thing that people are very familiar
with the nicotine patches because those have been on the
market for a few decades now. There are also patches
that exist for different hormones, you know, hormones that women
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might take, you know, to deal with some of the
symptoms of menopause. But generally there's in the pharmaceutical world,
there's two kinds of us and they call them small
molecule and big molecule or large molecule drugs. Nicotine is
a small molecule drug. These hormones that you can deliver
with the patch are small molecules. And the challenge with
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all these new weight loss drugs and with other drugs
that people might take, like a hum era or a
Stolara or enbro is that there are large molecules that
can't easily get into the skin just by sticking a
patch on it. And so that's kind of the challenge
that these companies and other companies before them have been
trying to trying to solve, and no one has done
(22:35):
it successfully yet and got to patch through the FDA
process for these large molecule drugs.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
How many companies in Massachusetts are working on any of
these set of circumstances. How big is this competitive field?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
There are three significant homegrown Massachusetts companies that I wrote
about in The Globe. The biggest of them, you know,
in terms of amount of money raised, is a company
called the Access that came out of Toughs University and
they've raised one hundred million dollars, which is uh, you know,
not chump change. There are other companies. Uh there's a
public company called Radius Health that had tried to get
(23:16):
a patch for an osteoporosis drug through the FDA and
they failed. And there's another company that's based in Australia,
but they have an office in Cambridge and they're also working.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
On the patch.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
So it felt like there was enough activity that you
know that people should be aware of, and I certainly
took notice of, you know, of this competitive set of companies.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So none of these companies, I assume at this point,
are all privately held, right, no one, no one raising
raising money for for publicly owned corporations. What's the upside
if one of these companies from Massachusetts gets lucky and
develops the drug that can be delivered for weight loss
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with a hatch. What's the projected you know prize are
we talking about? Yeah, billions of dollars.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Yeah, I don't think it's I don't think it would
be wild to say that if one of these companies
could get patched to the point you don't even have
to get it totally approved by the FDA, but just
far enough along clinical trials that a company like Novo Nordesk,
the company that makes ozepic and Wagovy, two of the
weight loss drugs, A big pharma company like that would say, hey,
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you got this far enough along, let's give you a
couple of billion dollars and we'll acquire this technology. And
that the key thing Dan like that is really important
strategically for these big pharma companies that sell the weight
loss drugs or Amgen, which you know, which sells drugs
for rheumatoid arthritis and other diseases.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Is that if you if.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
You combine the drug with one of these patches, you
might get ten or twenty years of additional patent coverage.
And so it kind of extends the patent life of
a drug, which you know, the companies. The companies like that,
their shareholders like that. A lot of times, consumers and
insurers don't like that because you prevent there from being
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you know, generic drug competition.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, is is willgov and uh and some of these
other bet is willgovy publicly traded Wigov, those epics, Oh yeah,
you know they're they're they're old. Yeah, they're both a big,
big pharma.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I mean this company, Nova Nordisk is based in Denmark
and you know it's traded on the New York Stock Exchange.
It's the symbols and VO. You know, I'm sure the
chart just looks, uh, you know, like a like a
hockey stick from the time that they got these drugs
approved and they're so big and so successful. It happened
to be in Denmark last summer, and you know, people
(25:55):
almost joke about it's like the Google millionaires. You know,
if you work for this company Nova Nerds, you know,
you're really kind of a rock star in Copenhagen these days.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Wow boy, I'd say, yeah, it's funny you look at
these I'm looking at Nova right now. And if you
if you go back, even even today, they were they
were up almost three percent in a day the market
was down. If I could back and just for the
fun of it, if I'm able to go back and
find the like you know, five years or whatever, yeah,
(26:27):
here we get let me let me see what it
was five years ago, just for the fun.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Of it, for about thirty bucks five years ago, and
at that ninety bucks today.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Twenty five and it was it was up as high
as as one it's been down. And so it's making
a little bit of a comeback. That's that's a wild ride.
That's an absolute wild ride. Yeah, yeah, for sure with
the company. Did you go over on a you know,
for fun? Are we over there as a No?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
I was just there for a vacation and you just
kind of noticed that, you know, it's one of the
you know, it's really one of the prize companies of
Denmark at the moment you know, they don't have a
giant pharmaceutical industry over there. It's probably smaller than the
you know, San Francisco cluster, the Boston cluster, the cluster
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in the UK. But you know, this one company has
been wildly successful with you know, in this weight loss
drug category.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
It's like a superstar playing for a last place team.
That person still is a tough start. What do I
think about I don't know if you're a baseball fan,
but it's like Mike Proke playing for the Angels all
these years and hardly takes the playoffs. But he's superstar nonetheless.
So what's the timeline? Last question is in your opinion
because you're the expert. I certainly am not. We look
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at a timeline here where we might be able to
move from needles to patch drugs for these weight loss
We look at it a timeline of five years or
longer or less.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I don't I think it'll be actually shorter than five years.
You know, these companies are all testing their patches in
uh in animals, you know, not not yet in humans
most for the most part, and some of them are
hoping to start doing human clinical trials next year, you know,
so it really could be you know, uh, within the
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next five years, you could start to see patches on
the market and it may be a winner take all
thing where there's one company that just has the right
technology and has the patent for it, and it may
be that there are several successful companies. And the other
thing that's worth you know, that's worth mentioning is that these.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Patches they're more shelf stable.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
The drug is more shelf stable in that form, so
you don't need to keep it refrigerated, which you know,
which eliminates a lot of the complexity right of shipping
these drugs around with dry ice and you know, package
so that they stay at a particular temperature.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Absolutely, Scott never had a chance to interview before, but
I really enjoyed it. It's called in Economy no More Needles,
Startups and testing patches that deliver weight loss drugs and
other medications. The article in full appeared in the Boston
Globe Digital on February nineteenth, and I'm assuming it was
in the hard copy probably a day or two later.
(29:14):
I would assume that's the way it generally works, right Scott, I.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Think you're correct.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
I was on vacation and getting out of the cold,
so I didn't see the print for you.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Okay, Well, thanks Scott. I appreciate your time. Fascinating. It's
an area that I don't know a lot about, and
I think my audience needs to learn about it as
well as I. So thank you so much for joining us,
and we hopefully we will talk again soon. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
I really appreciate it. Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
When we get back on to talk about your pets,
and I don't care if you have a pet or
if your neighbor has a pet, you got to be
concerned about cold weather. We have some cold weather pet
tips coming up with a veterinarian, so stay tuned. And
then after that we'll get to telephone calls. We're going
to talk about the the dilemma of a prosecution or
(30:00):
deportation for individuals who have been accused of or convicted
of some pretty serious violent crimes. There's a couple of
a couple of schools of thought. We'll talk about that
during the nine o'clock hour, maybe a little longer. Coming
back on Nightside. My name is Dan Ray, and we
will be back. Mike Templeton is sitting inside the comfort
(30:22):
of the control room. It's a place where a lot's
going on. Mike's doing a great job. Back on Nightside
right after this.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Okay, we're going to talk about cold weather safety tips
for your pet with us as doctor Jennifer Bruns. I
hope it's runs and not burns because I have b
r u ns here, Jennifer, Is it Bruns?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I hope it is.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
It is brunsps. Everyone calls me doctor Chen, but I
will take anything that you want to give me tonight.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Oh. Probably sometimes when you when you look here at names,
you're realized that names can be were letters can be
can misordered. So anyway, you're a veterinarian at Pet Smart
Veterinary Services. And I'm not sure what produ of the
country you're in, but here in New England we've had
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some extraordinarily cold weather in the last six to eight weeks.
It got cold right after New Year's It was fifty
degrees New Year's Eve and it's been almost below thirty
two ever since the weather has got back to it
got back to I guess over forty today, which was
we consider to be tropical. This is a problem for.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Pets, right, yeah, it is, you know, it is something
to always consider, and especially in New England, it has
not been an easy part of the winter for sure,
and cold temperatures can be really dangerous for pets and
they can be really dangerous for people. So it's really
important that we consider, you know, hypothermia and frost bite.
If we're cold, they're going to be cold, and I
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think we need to bring that into all of our attention.
I think about it with my little dog and pet
parents and what they can do to really keep their
pets safe and warm.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Well, we always you hear these stories during the summer
where someone left their dog in a car with ninety
five degrees and in some cases the dogs have perished.
I assume that the opposite can happen in the winter
time in very frigid temperatures.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
You know, it sure can, and I think sometimes we forget.
I mean, obviously, if it's hot, we don't want to
put a dog in a heart car. We've heard that
a lot. But I think sometimes we forget, especially with vehicles,
even leaving a dog in a car it's like a refrigerator, right,
so there's no insulation. It can be just as cold
and even you know when we start getting into the forties.
For all dogs, I really keep close TBS on them,
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especially our little dogs and our dogs that don't have
a lot of fur to keep them warm.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
They can get cold pretty fast.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, and people just can be Look, I've read stories
or we have seen stories where someone has left it
in a baby sea. But they get distracted. All of
us get distracted occasionally. You hope that you never do
something like that. But there's other considerations up here. We
use a lot of sand and salt to make sure
your pathway, your driveway is not icy. That can be
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a problem for dogs or for cats.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Right it is, and I think sometimes we forget about
that because it just becomes part of our routine of
how we deal with snow and ice. But the salt
that we put down for the ice does make a
potential hazard and it can cause salt poisoning. So you
think about we go out for our walks, we have
our dogs or their cats, and they don't have any
protection on their feet. They come back, they lick their paws.
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That's really gives them the oportunity to ingest that. So
salt can be very dangerous also keep in mind about
Anna free So anna freeze is super sweet. Dogs and
cats both love to drink that are liqu up and
that can be deadly quick, and just a couple of
tea spoons can be interest. So one of my tips
for clients, and I do the same with my little
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dog is booties. Booties are great because then you're not
worried about frostbite on those portlal paws, and then you're
also not worried about what they might bring in off
of the streets. Of course, you can always you know,
wash feet or what you know, take a towel and
wipe off your feet. But I think it's just really
important to remember those those dogs and cats will bring
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that back into the house that they're exposed.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You mentioned anti freeze, and you threw me there for
a second. Is are you suggesting that somebody might have
put some sort of anti freeze into the car and
it's spilled over on the driveway of the garage and
the dog is attracted, the pet is attracted to the
to the spill. Is that where you went?
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Yeah, so anna freeze can be skin spilled. So if
we're putting ana freeze in our cars, it can it
can be careful if it spills, and because we're looking
at such a small amount, you know, a couple of teaspoons,
even a little spill can be dangerous, so we always
encourage people to make sure that you clean that up.
And sometimes just that there's a leak that can be
another issue as well for a car.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Okay, and then you mentioned short he had breaths. But
also older pets, just like older people, can can find
themselves in trouble in really cold weather if they're not
taking care of it. How concerned, I mean, what what
do we need to look for in older pets on
if you know, if they're out of the yard or
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and hopefully they're not out of the yard all day
and the weather we've been dealing with. But if you
did for a walk, what what what's the tip off
that maybe it's time to make the walk a little
shorter on a very cold day.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
It's a great question because even young pets also the
same same issue if they don't have a lot of
you know, body body fat, and they're young, so young
and old I both usually counsel clients about watching for
both of those. With the older dogs, though yes, exactly right,
especially if they have a condition to chronic condition that
makes them less likely to be able to handle the cold,
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so be cautious about that. They're also going to slip
on the ice, just like we all do, so they're
not quite as agile. But when you really start looking
at your older pets, just keep in mind, especially that
as it gets colder, they can't tolerate that as much. Again,
that's why we might consider about some layers. They're going
to potentially become disoriented or they don't want to go out.
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I usually tell clients pay attention to your older pets.
If it seems like they don't really want to be
out in the weather, it's probably a good sign that
they need to come back inside.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, I think that pets probably a lots more sometimes
than humans. You know. One of the things that you
always are concerned about is the middle of the night,
you know, the dog lets you know that he needs
he or she needs to go out, and it's snowing
or something. How do you know? And I've had dogs,
(36:57):
so I think I know the answer to this question.
Come out the door and you go to that area
that you've kind of shoveled off. They know what they're
supposed to do. But how do you determine when it's
taken a little longer and it's getting a little colder
by the second. Is there any rule of thumb that
you could share with.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Us on that that's frustrating? You know, I feel like
I'm yelling at my dog.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Coop naty coo, potty, right, how long to just quickly
leave them out?
Speaker 6 (37:15):
So I get it if a rule of thumb really
depends on the pet. Again, when you're starting to forty degrees,
really watch what type of pet that you have. So
if it's a little dog, no hair, you want to
be careful, right, So ten minutes Sometimes it's just something
that we use as a rule of thumb, but I
mean with windshield and frost, it might be faster than that.
You may need to bring that pen before. And one
thing I would caution and keep everyone in mind is
pet's gonna come disoriented, especially when they get cold. So
if you don't have a fenced area and you know
we're gonna go out for that midnight potty, be very
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cautious that your pet can't get lost.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
They can be I never ever have a find I.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Never leave a muff leash at night because you never
know who's lurking twenty five or thirty feet away, and
it could be mister Kayaker looking for dinner. Doctor Bruns,
thank you very much, great information. Appreciate it very much.
We all love pets, that's for sure. And thanks very
much for joining us tonight and giving us some very
helpful reminders.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Ex so well.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Happy to be helpful to pet parents and everybody say safe.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
And warm, okay, thanks, thanks so much again. Doctor Jennifer
runs Pets Want Vetinary Services. Thanks thanks, doctor, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
There comes to nine o'clock news, and on the other
side of the news we're going to talk about prosecution
or deportation. I will explain in full right after the
night
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks very much to call. You are indeed the best.
My name is Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nightside
with Dan Ray, the appropriately named program, and tonight Rob
Brooks has taken the night off and in studio back
in the the big control room at Broadcast headquarters is
Mike Templeton. So please be good to Mike when you
(00:28):
call in after nine o'clock. We're going to be talking
about some interesting issues tonight. We're going to ask you
at ten o'clock or at some point later tonight, whether
you're rethinking your airline travel with all the problems and
cooling the problem today with that plane out of Atlanta
that had to go back to the airport smoking the cabin.
(00:48):
And then at nine o'clock we're going to talk about
prosecution and deportation. What is the best path to follow
when someone is here illegally and they are charged with
a serious crime, a violent crime. This seems to be
a little bit of a split between local officials and
the Trump administration. If you read the front top of
(01:09):
the fold piece in the Boston Globe this morning was
a really interesting piece. We'll get to all of that,
I promise. But first we're going to start off with
our guests this evening, and we will begin with our
first guest tonight, Jonathan Bird. Jonathan is going to tell
us about a new movie, special movie called Call of
(01:32):
the Dolphins. He's the producer. I think this is truly
his project. Jonathan Bird, you're the film's director, and you're
also a native, a local guy from North Reading. Tell
us a little bit about yourself, then I want to
talk about the film. How'd you get into this business?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Well, you know, it's funny. I got into this business
because of I needed a gym credit in college, I
believe it or not. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't believe that
when I was in college. You know, you're paying all
this money to go to school and then they make
you take fizz ed. But you know, as it turns out,
they offered scuba diving as a fized credit. And I'm
(02:12):
in love with the ocean, and so I guess the
fizz ed credit was kind of a good thing.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I hope you went to a southern school and you
weren't scuba diving off the coast of Maine in the
middle of the winter.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
No, I went to Worcester Polytech Electrical Engineering and I
did I did my my open water checkout dives in
Gloucester in like thirty degree water in March, and I
froze my butt off.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Wow, no dolphins with you on those dives, that's for sure.
So so you, I assume have spent a lot of
time underwater and a lot of times a lot of
time with dolphins. I'm led to believe. I'm no expert,
but I'm told that dolphins are incredibly intelligent, and to
some extent, they have a lot of similarities with those
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of us who are more landa based human beings.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Dolphins are definitely very intelligent, and I have a funny
feeling that they're actually they can be. They can be
kind of a bunch of like jokesters. Like they love
to they love to sneak up on you. They love
to slap you with their you know, their fins when
you're not looking. They're they're kind of fun animals. And
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I did my first trip with dolphins in ninety five,
actually thirty years ago. And in fact, the very first
trip I did with dolphins in the Bahamas with was
with a guy named Captain Wayne Scott Smith, who's kind
of a dolphin whisperer who runs a boat where people
swim with wild dolphins, and thirty years later he is
(03:47):
one of the stars of this film. So we developed
kind of a lifelong friendship and I got to come
full circle and make a film where he is part
of the action. So that was really kind of exciting.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So now the film, the movie, how long is it?
By the way, it's on the giant screen at the
New England Aquarium Simon's Theater. But how use is the video?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
It's forty minutes, which is kind of the standard length
for these films. And it's a film about people who
love dolphins. I have the snarky answer when people ask
me what's the film about? I say dolphins. But really
it's not a film about dolphins. It's a film about
people who love dolphins. It's a film that features, for example,
(04:37):
I thought out on Cape Cod where they rescue as
many as four hundred dolphins a year to get stuck
in Cape Cod when the tide goes down and they're
stuck on the mud banks. It features researchers, for example,
down in Sarasota, Florida, and in Hawaii, that are studying
wild dolphins. And it also features my buddy, Captain Wayne
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Scott Smith, who's kind of a dolphin whisperer. He's been
swimming with dolphins for forty years and they know him personally,
so he literally has one on one relationship with hundreds
of dolphins that he recognizes and recognize him.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
That's amazing. I can't wait to see this now. You
said it's about forty minutes long, and the film made
its world debut, so it's already had his debut at
the New England Aquarium. How long is it going to
be there for people to enjoy?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
What's interesting about you mentioned the world debut. What's interesting
about that is this is my fourth Giant screen film
and it's the first one that had its world premiere
in my hometown. So I was really excited that we
had our premiere in Boston and we had a big
event and we had all of our friends and it
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was great fun. And they have signed on. They don't
sign on for how long they're going to show it.
They sign on for how many showings it's going to have.
They've signed on for seven hundred screenings of the show,
and that's at least a year, at least a year. Yeah,
so I don't know exactly how.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
How many screen are there during a week. I mean,
do they do one a day? I mean, obviously seven
hundred I can do the math. We're talking about that,
so nearly two years if they just do one a day.
But do they have multiple showings during the Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Well, I mean it can change.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Right now.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Right now it's showing I think four times a day.
It alternates with another film, so but that could change
him as the film has been in the theater longer,
they may bring in another film and then drop the
number of screenings. But yeah, it's it's playing several times
a day at least for the next year.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So great is this exclusive to the New England Aquarium
And no one's going to be able to see this
on HBO. We're Cinemax at least for a while.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
So this is a giant screen film and they're really
they're shot and edited to be seen on really big screens,
and you would never get the right experience to see
it on like Netflix or something. It's just the screen
would be too small. And also it's in three D
and three D is really awesome on a giant screen
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and people always think, oh, three D I'm not gonna
like it. Trust me when I tell you the three
D on this is really nicely done. People are gonna
love it.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Okay, perfect, you've convinced me. I guess people. The easiest
thing is they need to just get to the aquarium,
which is anyaq dot org. We'll give the aquarium acall,
get some tickets, figure out when it works for their families,
and get down and see the call of the dolphins.
And we're not talking about the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
No we're not.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
We're definitely talking about actual dolphins that go underwater.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
All rights. That's great. I love it. I love it.
That's a good line, Jonathan. I appreciate what you do.
What's your next project? If I could ask, or can
you tell us?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So we're working on a film about what happens in
the ocean at night, but it won't be out for
a couple of years, so definiteenty of time to go,
go go get called a dolphins.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Got We're gonna go see the dolphins, that's for sure.
So again it's any for New England AQ for aquarium
just lowercase ANYAQ dot org and the number can be
found pretty easily at that website and get yourself some
tickets and get in and see the call of the Dolphins.
I really do appreciate Jonathan taking the time and congratulations
(08:37):
on this. Sounds like a magnificent video. Thank you, Thanks
so much.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Dan, You're very welcome.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well we get back. We're gonna go from the Dolphins
to Bob Dylan. I will explain. My name is Dan Ray.
This is Nightside, heard every Monday through Friday night right
here on WBZ, Boston's news radio. You can listen to
us over the year about probably half the country, or
you can also download the new i Herd app and
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(09:04):
sixty five days a year. We'll be back talking about
Bob Dylan with somebody who is an expert on an
upcoming Bob Dylan auction.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Now back to Dan Ray line from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ the News.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Radio, joining us as the executive vice president at our auction,
Bobby Livingston. Bobby has been with us before, he gets it.
He understands how exciting some of these live auctions can be. Bobby,
Welcome back to night Side.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Thanks, Dan, It's good to talk to you again.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Man. A lot of people love, you know, sports auctions,
but this is an auction dealing with Bob Dylan. Obviously
there's a movie out right now dealing with Bob Dylan.
So Bob Dylan is a pretty hot commodity right now.
And you have several Bob Dylan items, the Bob Dylan's
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first demo tape tape, it was the original master recording
that's going to be up for auction. And you've also
got the collection of an individual by the name of
Bob Newworth. I do not know who Bob Newworth is,
but obviously he must have been a big Bob Dylan collector.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Well, Bob Newarth was like Bob Dylan's best friend. When
you saw the movie the Plame movie, the guy that
is in the bar were doing hit, that's Newworth. And
so the character of Bob Neworth is in the movie,
and he was in Don't Look Back. But Bob Neworth
was a great artist that was here in Boston. Not
only a folks singer, but he was he was also
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a pretty prominent artist.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I went on to be will admit to you, Bob,
if he had been like a backup shortstop for the
Red Sox in the seventies. I would know his name.
We all have our wheelhouse. Or if he had been
you know, a city councilor in Salem back in the
nineteen eighties, I probably would know his or her name.
But I again, that's why you're here. You're the expert,
and you're gonna give us a lot of the background
(11:08):
and the perspective on this. So. So is this how
the Bob Newarth collection came to be, because obviously it
looks as if he has some some great Bob Dylan materials. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I mean he played on stage with Bob Dylan during
the Rollings under Review, which which the was the big
tour around New England in the in the seventies, like
in seventy five and seventy six. So it was a
pretty famous tour of Bob Dylan when he painted his
face white. You remember those dann You remember those shots?
Maybe not, but anyway, I was hanging at.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Red Sox games in the truth.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Well, seventy five team was pretty good. I can understand this.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I know who Bob Dylan was h and he still is.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
He's still alive, right, correct, very much.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I don't want to put him in past edge. He's
not up there in the big juke box with Elvis
at this point. No, I get that, No, but I
just I just want to make sure that people in
the audience who are Dylan fans just get excited about this.
I'm excited talking to you about Bob Dylan. So I
but I got to ask you these questions. So tell
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us about the newestion.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Go ahead, Well we've got his. You know that those
nudy CITs that the country Western stars used to wear,
that with all the sparkles and the rhinestones and the
designs on them. Well we've got Bob Newarth's that Bob
Dylan bought for him to wear on this Rolling Thunder tour.
And so he actually wore this particular Newy suit at
a very famous concert called Knight of the Hurricane uh
(12:45):
in in Houston. So these are Dan, stick with me.
These are really cool things. Let me tell you, this
is phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And trust me, it's like you're telling me that you
got the bet that Ted Williams at his final home
run off of Jack Fish Sure on September twenty eighth
here at Fenway Park in nineteen sixty. I get it,
I get it, keep going, tell me more.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well, there's also a guitar that Bob Dylan bought for
Newarth in New York City that he played on this
whole tour. There's lots of video and photographs of Newarth
and Dylan with this particular car So guitar. So that's
really cool.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Bob Dylan's first demo tape. I would assume that that
would be something that any artist would keep for you,
for well, for the family.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
The first demo tape is actually from a different consigner,
which is Bob Dylan's very first manager, Terry Tall, who
who she was married to, Davon Rock, another Folks singer
in New York. So Dylan asked her to be his
manager and she made this tape. She made this tape
to get him gigs at forty seven here in Boston
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and uh and uh so this is coming right from
her collection. It's the it's the first professional demo tape
that was ever made of Bob. It wasn't done in
a studio, It was done in the Gaslight Cafe in
New York. But it sounds great and it actually worked.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
This is this is an honest question. I certainly know
who Bob Dylan was. But but again, I was not.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Hanging on Bob Dylan.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Is I forget I already made that point before. Boys,
I'm trying to get to you. What I'm trying to
get from you is I. When Jimmy Buffett passed, I
was surprised to learn that Buffett had played a lot
in his early career here at clubs in Boston, which
kind of surprised me. How how much was Bob Dylan
a part of the music scene in Boston as he
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was starting out.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Well, He's famously on his first record he talks about
I'm learning the song baby let Me follow you down
that Rick von Schmidt taught him, and he said, you know,
I learned him the in Harvard Yard, so in Cambridge,
so Dylan, So yeah, so Dylan. Dylan uh made a
point of coming to Boston and playing several times before
he really hit it big. So he was around. There
(15:08):
was a vibrant, vibrant folks scene here that Dylan wanted
to be a part of before he was famous.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Let me get Let me give you a tip that
that might be of some help to you. Dylan did
spend time in Cambridge, and he spent a lot of
time with Harvey Silverglade, who's a well known lawyer UH
in Cambridge. Uh and his wife Elsa, and Elsa took
a lot of pictures of Bob Dylan. So I'm a
(15:36):
weird that that Dylan in time, you know, in the
Boston Cambridge area. But I wasn't sure, you know, if
you played at Club Passim or or whatever, you know
Paul's mall. I mean, I'm just wondering if you know,
off he had some of the locale locations that he
that he appeared at.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, he played at pass he played it, you know,
forty seven, and he and he played folk festivals and
you know, as he got bigger, he played the bigger
the bigger auditoriums. But yeah, he was definitely here. I
don't know all all the names of the old folk clubs,
but for sure Club forty seven.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
So when is the auction and and what can folks do?
Is this a live auction or is this one that
people will participate in remotely?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
It's it's online. It's at our website at our auction
dot com. And there's a whole there's about seventy five
lots related to Bob Doyling, and it's it ends on
March twelve, and it's you know, it's a simple, easy process.
It's it's a timed auction. It's pretty exciting.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
So each item has a final bid time. Are they
all final bid on March twelve?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah, basically there's a thirty minute time on every lot
that starts at seven pm on March twelve. So it's
it's kind of it's kind of like an eBay style almost,
but it's a little different. But it's timed. People would
be familiar with it.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, I get you, but I'm trying to help you
out here. So can people go on to your auction site? Now?
Are our auction and see what's available?
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's all. It's online. This bidding
is going on right now.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
And that's what I need what I need to know.
And uh again, what is the what's the website? Are
our auction dot com?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Man r R A U c K I one dot
com And we're right here in Boston.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I can spell auction. I'm sure what is r R
stand for? Refresh my recollection on.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
That rare and remarkable man rare and remarkable.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Should I remember that our auction dot Com. All right, Bob.
I enjoyed learning a little bit more about Bob Dylan,
and I appreciate you taking the time to uh to share,
to share with us. Tonight we'll do it again, Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah, I'm always grateful to be on with you, man,
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Back at you, right back at you. Bobby Livings there
are he's the executi vice press of our auction. We
got the news coming up at the bottom of the
hour right now at eight thirty. After that, I've been
talking with Scott Kirshner of the Boston Globe talking about
some startups that are testing for patches to deliver weight
loss drugs as well as other medications. So we'll get
to all of that, and then later on in this
(18:18):
hour we'll talk with doctor Jennifer Bruns about cold weather
pet safety tips. We think about making sure that furry
friends are not exposed to the heat of the of
July and August, but they can they can have problems
in the cold weather as well. So those are the
two items coming up. My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside.
We'll be right back following the news and a couple
(18:40):
of commercial messages.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Well to welcome Scott Kirshner, Globe correspondent to our desk,
to our to our show. Hey Scott, welcome to Nightside.
How are you.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
How are you just fine? So you have written a
piece that appeared just last week? No more needles. Question
Mark startups are testing patches to deliver weight loss drugs
and other medications. I mean, these weight loss drugs like
Wugovi and ozempic, they're going off the chart.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
I mean I was gonna say they can't make them
fast enough. And you know, you hear about people going
from drug store to drug store to get their prescription.
So these are definitely the definition of a blockbuster drug.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, you know it's interesting. I worry about those. I
guess about fifteen million people according to your article read
this new generation of weight loss drugs. It sounds like
a very effective, but maybe too much, too easy a
way to lose weight. Have they done much study on
these drugs in terms of if when people take the
(19:52):
weight off, they're able to maintain their new weight.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
No.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
I mean that's the dirty secret of these drugs, is
that one you start taking them, it's a you know,
it's going to be a lifetime medication.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Assuming you want to keep.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
That, you want to keep the weight off, you know
you really can't. There aren't a lot a lot of
studies showing that you can stop taking the drugs and
maintain the same weight level.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
The thing I was.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Looking at in this piece is is, you know, these
kinds of drugs and lots of other drugs that people
take require an injection once a week or once a month.
And there are some really interesting startups around the Boston
area that are trying to do these injections or deliver
these drugs with a patch that you would stick on
your skin for a half hour an hour, rather than
(20:42):
with a needle that you'd have to poke yourself with
or get someone to poke you with.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, I'm sure that a lot of people are needophobic,
if that's if that's a term of art, I get that.
What it's interesting when you think of when I think
of the patch, I think about nikked tine patches. Yeah,
I been pretty successful. If you know this. We don't
(21:05):
script questions here, so if I asked you a question
that's way off base, tell me do the nicotine patches.
Do they work for a period of time, you'll lose
the addiction to nicotine and you're off the SIGs forever,
or do you have to keep using that patch for
the rest of your life. Is that sort of the model.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I think those are.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I think the nicketine patches are different where they are
delivering a dose of nicotine to help you kick the
habit and that you can eventually taper down and stop
using the patches. The thing that people are very familiar
with the nicotine patches because those have been on the
market for a few decades now. There are also patches
that exist for different hormones, you know, hormones that women
(21:51):
might take, you know, to deal with some of the
symptoms of menopause. But generally there's in the pharmaceutical world,
there's two kinds of us and they call them small
molecule and big molecule or large molecule drugs. Nicotine is
a small molecule drug. These hormones that you can deliver
with the patch are small molecules. And the challenge with
(22:13):
all these new weight loss drugs and with other drugs
that people might take, like a hum era or a
Stolara or enbro is that there are large molecules that
can't easily get into the skin just by sticking a
patch on it. And so that's kind of the challenge
that these companies and other companies before them have been
trying to trying to solve, and no one has done
(22:35):
it successfully yet and got to patch through the FDA
process for these large molecule drugs.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
How many companies in Massachusetts are working on any of
these set of circumstances. How big is this competitive field?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
There are three significant homegrown Massachusetts companies that I wrote
about in The Globe. The biggest of them, you know,
in terms of amount of money raised, is a company
called the Access that came out of Toughs University and
they've raised one hundred million dollars, which is uh, you know,
not chump change. There are other companies. Uh there's a
public company called Radius Health that had tried to get
(23:16):
a patch for an osteoporosis drug through the FDA and
they failed. And there's another company that's based in Australia,
but they have an office in Cambridge and they're also working.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
On the patch.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
So it felt like there was enough activity that you
know that people should be aware of, and I certainly
took notice of, you know, of this competitive set of companies.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So none of these companies, I assume at this point,
are all privately held, right, no one, no one raising
raising money for for publicly owned corporations. What's the upside
if one of these companies from Massachusetts gets lucky and
develops the drug that can be delivered for weight loss
(23:59):
with a hatch. What's the projected you know prize are
we talking about? Yeah, billions of dollars.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Yeah, I don't think it's I don't think it would
be wild to say that if one of these companies
could get patched to the point you don't even have
to get it totally approved by the FDA, but just
far enough along clinical trials that a company like Novo Nordesk,
the company that makes ozepic and Wagovy, two of the
weight loss drugs, A big pharma company like that would say, hey,
(24:32):
you got this far enough along, let's give you a
couple of billion dollars and we'll acquire this technology. And
that the key thing Dan like that is really important
strategically for these big pharma companies that sell the weight
loss drugs or Amgen, which you know, which sells drugs
for rheumatoid arthritis and other diseases.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Is that if you if.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
You combine the drug with one of these patches, you
might get ten or twenty years of additional patent coverage.
And so it kind of extends the patent life of
a drug, which you know, the companies. The companies like that,
their shareholders like that. A lot of times, consumers and
insurers don't like that because you prevent there from being
(25:16):
you know, generic drug competition.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, is is willgov and uh and some of these
other bet is willgovy publicly traded Wigov, those epics, Oh yeah,
you know they're they're they're old. Yeah, they're both a big,
big pharma.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
I mean this company, Nova Nordisk is based in Denmark
and you know it's traded on the New York Stock Exchange.
It's the symbols and VO. You know, I'm sure the
chart just looks, uh, you know, like a like a
hockey stick from the time that they got these drugs
approved and they're so big and so successful. It happened
to be in Denmark last summer, and you know, people
(25:55):
almost joke about it's like the Google millionaires. You know,
if you work for this company Nova Nerds, you know,
you're really kind of a rock star in Copenhagen these days.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Wow boy, I'd say, yeah, it's funny you look at
these I'm looking at Nova right now. And if you
if you go back, even even today, they were they
were up almost three percent in a day the market
was down. If I could back and just for the
fun of it, if I'm able to go back and
find the like you know, five years or whatever, yeah,
(26:27):
here we get let me let me see what it
was five years ago, just for the fun.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Of it, for about thirty bucks five years ago, and
at that ninety bucks today.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Twenty five and it was it was up as high
as as one it's been down. And so it's making
a little bit of a comeback. That's that's a wild ride.
That's an absolute wild ride. Yeah, yeah, for sure with
the company. Did you go over on a you know,
for fun? Are we over there as a No?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
I was just there for a vacation and you just
kind of noticed that, you know, it's one of the
you know, it's really one of the prize companies of
Denmark at the moment you know, they don't have a
giant pharmaceutical industry over there. It's probably smaller than the
you know, San Francisco cluster, the Boston cluster, the cluster
(27:16):
in the UK. But you know, this one company has
been wildly successful with you know, in this weight loss
drug category.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
It's like a superstar playing for a last place team.
That person still is a tough start. What do I
think about I don't know if you're a baseball fan,
but it's like Mike Proke playing for the Angels all
these years and hardly takes the playoffs. But he's superstar nonetheless.
So what's the timeline? Last question is in your opinion
because you're the expert. I certainly am not. We look
(27:47):
at a timeline here where we might be able to
move from needles to patch drugs for these weight loss
We look at it a timeline of five years or
longer or less.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I don't I think it'll be actually shorter than five years.
You know, these companies are all testing their patches in
uh in animals, you know, not not yet in humans
most for the most part, and some of them are
hoping to start doing human clinical trials next year, you know,
so it really could be you know, uh, within the
(28:19):
next five years, you could start to see patches on
the market and it may be a winner take all
thing where there's one company that just has the right
technology and has the patent for it, and it may
be that there are several successful companies. And the other
thing that's worth you know, that's worth mentioning is that these.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Patches they're more shelf stable.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
The drug is more shelf stable in that form, so
you don't need to keep it refrigerated, which you know,
which eliminates a lot of the complexity right of shipping
these drugs around with dry ice and you know, package
so that they stay at a particular temperature.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Absolutely, Scott never had a chance to interview before, but
I really enjoyed it. It's called in Economy no More Needles,
Startups and testing patches that deliver weight loss drugs and
other medications. The article in full appeared in the Boston
Globe Digital on February nineteenth, and I'm assuming it was
in the hard copy probably a day or two later.
(29:14):
I would assume that's the way it generally works, right Scott, I.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Think you're correct.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
I was on vacation and getting out of the cold,
so I didn't see the print for you.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Okay, Well, thanks Scott. I appreciate your time. Fascinating. It's
an area that I don't know a lot about, and
I think my audience needs to learn about it as
well as I. So thank you so much for joining us,
and we hopefully we will talk again soon. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
I really appreciate it. Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
When we get back on to talk about your pets,
and I don't care if you have a pet or
if your neighbor has a pet, you got to be
concerned about cold weather. We have some cold weather pet
tips coming up with a veterinarian, so stay tuned. And
then after that we'll get to telephone calls. We're going
to talk about the the dilemma of a prosecution or
(30:00):
deportation for individuals who have been accused of or convicted
of some pretty serious violent crimes. There's a couple of
a couple of schools of thought. We'll talk about that
during the nine o'clock hour, maybe a little longer. Coming
back on Nightside. My name is Dan Ray, and we
will be back. Mike Templeton is sitting inside the comfort
(30:22):
of the control room. It's a place where a lot's
going on. Mike's doing a great job. Back on Nightside
right after this.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Okay, we're going to talk about cold weather safety tips
for your pet with us as doctor Jennifer Bruns. I
hope it's runs and not burns because I have b
r u ns here, Jennifer, Is it Bruns?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I hope it is.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
It is brunsps. Everyone calls me doctor Chen, but I
will take anything that you want to give me tonight.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Oh. Probably sometimes when you when you look here at names,
you're realized that names can be were letters can be
can misordered. So anyway, you're a veterinarian at Pet Smart
Veterinary Services. And I'm not sure what produ of the
country you're in, but here in New England we've had
(31:16):
some extraordinarily cold weather in the last six to eight weeks.
It got cold right after New Year's It was fifty
degrees New Year's Eve and it's been almost below thirty
two ever since the weather has got back to it
got back to I guess over forty today, which was
we consider to be tropical. This is a problem for.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Pets, right, yeah, it is, you know, it is something
to always consider, and especially in New England, it has
not been an easy part of the winter for sure,
and cold temperatures can be really dangerous for pets and
they can be really dangerous for people. So it's really
important that we consider, you know, hypothermia and frost bite.
If we're cold, they're going to be cold, and I
(31:59):
think we need to bring that into all of our attention.
I think about it with my little dog and pet
parents and what they can do to really keep their
pets safe and warm.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Well, we always you hear these stories during the summer
where someone left their dog in a car with ninety
five degrees and in some cases the dogs have perished.
I assume that the opposite can happen in the winter
time in very frigid temperatures.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
You know, it sure can, and I think sometimes we forget.
I mean, obviously, if it's hot, we don't want to
put a dog in a heart car. We've heard that
a lot. But I think sometimes we forget, especially with vehicles,
even leaving a dog in a car it's like a refrigerator, right,
so there's no insulation. It can be just as cold
and even you know when we start getting into the forties.
For all dogs, I really keep close TBS on them,
(32:47):
especially our little dogs and our dogs that don't have
a lot of fur to keep them warm.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
They can get cold pretty fast.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, and people just can be Look, I've read stories
or we have seen stories where someone has left it
in a baby sea. But they get distracted. All of
us get distracted occasionally. You hope that you never do
something like that. But there's other considerations up here. We
use a lot of sand and salt to make sure
your pathway, your driveway is not icy. That can be
(33:18):
a problem for dogs or for cats.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Right it is, and I think sometimes we forget about
that because it just becomes part of our routine of
how we deal with snow and ice. But the salt
that we put down for the ice does make a
potential hazard and it can cause salt poisoning. So you
think about we go out for our walks, we have
our dogs or their cats, and they don't have any
protection on their feet. They come back, they lick their paws.
(33:43):
That's really gives them the oportunity to ingest that. So
salt can be very dangerous also keep in mind about
Anna free So anna freeze is super sweet. Dogs and
cats both love to drink that are liqu up and
that can be deadly quick, and just a couple of
tea spoons can be interest. So one of my tips
for clients, and I do the same with my little
(34:04):
dog is booties. Booties are great because then you're not
worried about frostbite on those portlal paws, and then you're
also not worried about what they might bring in off
of the streets. Of course, you can always you know,
wash feet or what you know, take a towel and
wipe off your feet. But I think it's just really
important to remember those those dogs and cats will bring
(34:25):
that back into the house that they're exposed.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You mentioned anti freeze, and you threw me there for
a second. Is are you suggesting that somebody might have
put some sort of anti freeze into the car and
it's spilled over on the driveway of the garage and
the dog is attracted, the pet is attracted to the
to the spill. Is that where you went?
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Yeah, so anna freeze can be skin spilled. So if
we're putting ana freeze in our cars, it can it
can be careful if it spills, and because we're looking
at such a small amount, you know, a couple of teaspoons,
even a little spill can be dangerous, so we always
encourage people to make sure that you clean that up.
And sometimes just that there's a leak that can be
another issue as well for a car.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Okay, and then you mentioned short he had breaths. But
also older pets, just like older people, can can find
themselves in trouble in really cold weather if they're not
taking care of it. How concerned, I mean, what what
do we need to look for in older pets on
if you know, if they're out of the yard or
(35:33):
and hopefully they're not out of the yard all day
and the weather we've been dealing with. But if you
did for a walk, what what what's the tip off
that maybe it's time to make the walk a little
shorter on a very cold day.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
It's a great question because even young pets also the
same same issue if they don't have a lot of
you know, body body fat, and they're young, so young
and old I both usually counsel clients about watching for
both of those. With the older dogs, though yes, exactly right,
especially if they have a condition to chronic condition that
makes them less likely to be able to handle the cold,
(36:06):
so be cautious about that. They're also going to slip
on the ice, just like we all do, so they're
not quite as agile. But when you really start looking
at your older pets, just keep in mind, especially that
as it gets colder, they can't tolerate that as much. Again,
that's why we might consider about some layers. They're going
to potentially become disoriented or they don't want to go out.
(36:28):
I usually tell clients pay attention to your older pets.
If it seems like they don't really want to be
out in the weather, it's probably a good sign that
they need to come back inside.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, I think that pets probably a lots more sometimes
than humans. You know. One of the things that you
always are concerned about is the middle of the night,
you know, the dog lets you know that he needs
he or she needs to go out, and it's snowing
or something. How do you know? And I've had dogs,
(36:57):
so I think I know the answer to this question.
Come out the door and you go to that area
that you've kind of shoveled off. They know what they're
supposed to do. But how do you determine when it's
taken a little longer and it's getting a little colder
by the second. Is there any rule of thumb that
you could share with.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Us on that that's frustrating? You know, I feel like
I'm yelling at my dog.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Coop naty coo, potty, right, how long to just quickly
leave them out?
Speaker 6 (37:15):
So I get it if a rule of thumb really
depends on the pet. Again, when you're starting to forty degrees,
really watch what type of pet that you have. So
if it's a little dog, no hair, you want to
be careful, right, So ten minutes Sometimes it's just something
that we use as a rule of thumb, but I
mean with windshield and frost, it might be faster than that.
You may need to bring that pen before. And one
thing I would caution and keep everyone in mind is
pet's gonna come disoriented, especially when they get cold. So
if you don't have a fenced area and you know
we're gonna go out for that midnight potty, be very
(37:37):
cautious that your pet can't get lost.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
They can be I never ever have a find I.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Never leave a muff leash at night because you never
know who's lurking twenty five or thirty feet away, and
it could be mister Kayaker looking for dinner. Doctor Bruns,
thank you very much, great information. Appreciate it very much.
We all love pets, that's for sure. And thanks very
much for joining us tonight and giving us some very
helpful reminders.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Ex so well.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Happy to be helpful to pet parents and everybody say safe.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
And warm, okay, thanks, thanks so much again. Doctor Jennifer
runs Pets Want Vetinary Services. Thanks thanks, doctor, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
There comes to nine o'clock news, and on the other
side of the news we're going to talk about prosecution
or deportation. I will explain in full right after the
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