February 27, 2025 • 41 mins
How comfortable are you riding in a self-driving or autonomous car? A recent AAA survey finds roughly 60% of American drivers are “still afraid of self-driving vehicles”. Dan recently rode in a self-driving vehicle in San Francisco and felt very comfortable with the whole experience! Dan shared more about his experience and heard if you would ride in or have ridden in an autonomous vehicle! Mark Schieldrop checked in!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy
Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
First of all, I want to thank everyone again who
took the time last hour to talk about the Patriots.
I know we're not a sports show, but I do
like to work in different topics every once in a
while and got a little bit of a different topic
to talk about tonight. In the ten o'clock hour we're
going to right now, I want to talk about self
driving cars. I recently had a ride in a self
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driving car on the streets of San Francisco. I can
get into that a little bit later on during this hour,
because I want to start off with Mark shield drop
of Triple A. Mark, welcome back to Night's Side. We
normally hit you in the eight o'clock hour. Thanks for
being available here at ten. How are you tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It's all good and it's great to be back.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Thanks for having me Dan.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So, what is the position if there is of a
triple A on this development? Have you ever had the
opportunity to take a ride in a autonomous vehicle? No?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I haven't personally, so I'm one of those folks is
a little anxious about it, you know, even though the
numbers tell me that generally speaking, the robo taxis or
the self driving cards you can ride in today are
pretty safe.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Still, there is.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Something unnerving about not having anybody behind the wheel.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, there's a company which I believe is owned by Google.
It's called Waymou and in a bunch of cities Phoenix,
La San Francisco, and I think soon Miami and Atlanta,
and maybe there's a couple more here. You instead of
calling an uber, you call waymo and go from point
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A to point B. You sit in the back seat.
There's nobody up front, there's nobody behind the wheel, and
there's nobody in the front passager seat and it's all
done remotely. Has has Triple A looked at this or
is it so small a fleet of cars? Although the
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fleet is growing in all of those three cities as
I understand it, that Triple A has has yet to
take a formal position on if this is a good idea.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
So we've been following this for a while, and you know,
we have a pretty open mind about it, and we
think that there's some value to research and development of
these technologies because we think it'll bleed into the everyday
cars we drive and we're already seeing improvements in safety
and driver assistance systems and cars today, and I think
some of that is because of some of the research
down this. We think that self driving vehicles, with the
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right regulations and the right planning and the right investment
in infrastructure, could be an interesting option to get people
transported to places safely. But you know, there's a balancing act.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, I don't think we're close to cars being sold.
That was one of the questions I had today that
we had to work through. The best that I have
seen is that maybe fifteen years out, the estimates are
that maybe people would be able to purchase those cars.
All of us know. I guess that you can in
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most new cars, or certainly cars that are even of
recent vintage. When you're out on a highway, you can
set the car at a controlled speed, say sixty or
sixty five, and the car will not go any faster,
it won't go any slower unless you apply the brakes.
So that technology has been around for a long time,
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and I don't know how many people take advantage of that.
But you got to pay attention. You got to have
your hand on the wheel, you got to make sure
the car doesn't drift. So it's one element of self
driving is that as you understand that, I want to
make sure I'm not saying something that is technically incorrect.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, listeners, you know, without getting into the weeds. There's
different levels of automation. You know that even the Tesla,
the autopilot or there their fully self driving mode that
they call it is only level two and it.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Goes all the way up to five.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Five is no human intervention at all whatsoever. Those way
moos you ride around in are are fully self fully automated.
But there is somebody, you know, in a on a
console somewhere who can intervene if need be, because there's
still you know, chances for them to get stuck or
get into a predicament.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
On the roadway.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Uh, and so they have to be kind of manually resolved.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So yeah, but they don't whoever's on that console doesn't
have the opportunity if if somebody, let us say, leaps,
is doing something and wants to hurt themselves, they want
to leap in front of the weymol you're driving. It's
conceived and I believe I believe that there have been
some accidents, Okay, and yeah, it may not be the
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fault of the weymold, but somebody turns the wrong way
and hits the way mop I would probably think it's
more likely the driver of the other car that has
a faulved having driven in one. Oh.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Absolutely, it was really cool.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
There are crashes involving these vehicles, but the funny thing
is it's usually humans crashing into them, so they generally
have a pretty good record as far as causing collisions.
But you're right, you know, it's it's one of those
things where when you're mixing the automated vehicles on the
public roads with human drivers, that's where the real challenge lies.
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Because these the technology is interesting and all, but they
really have to be on areas that they know they
operate well. So you can just set them loose in
downtown Boston, for example. That's not going to work anytime soon.
And that's the real engineering and technology challenge. How are
they going to get to that level? And we're still
quite a few years away from that happening.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, and has you know Triple A. Obviously I understand
what Triple A is as an organization. You have not
taken a position. I assume that that Triple a is
not likely to take a position at any point, and
you're just going to allow the industry to proceed with caution.
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I'm assuming correct.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, you know, we think that there should be safety assessments.
We think that any pilot or testing should be done
really thoughtfully. We should. Consumer education is really important so
people know what's happening and why these vehicles are showing
up on the roadway. And there's also concern about generating
personal data and privacy and cybersecurity issues, so we want
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to make sure that there's legislation to make sure that's
all transparent. Because these are vehicles packed with technology, they
can gather data, whether it's people in the vehicles or
you know, the world around them as they're driving. So
that's important too.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So amplify on that for me a little bit. You
probably are more hip to that. What what sort of
I mean if I'm personally calling a weaymo, what's the
difference between me calling a weymo and me calling an
uber or a cab in terms of surrendering personal information?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Well, you know, I think more about these vehicles out
on our roadways. You know, that's a really good question.
That's that's an area I probably should think about more myself.
You know, I'm looking at you know, what our policy
stances are, and I think it's it's pretty broad to say,
you know, privacy and cybersecurity issues. But when we have
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people engaging in a testing program on our public roads
and in cooperation with the municipality or city, you know,
we want everything to be fully about board and transparent.
Similar to any sort of automated enforcement, for example on
our highways with camera systems, are tolling and that sort
of thing. We don't want to just sign a blank
check to a private organization and let them test these
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things out.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
We want to know, you know, what data are they
collecting when they're out there doing this stuff and report
back so we have a fair and you know, open
process there.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Okay, let me ask you one other questions, and that
is that I know that these again, I think it's
technically called WAIMO. These vehicles are way called waimo, owned
by Google operating at this point, I know in Phoenix,
LA and San Francisco, and they're pretty common. I think
they're up to about three hundred vehicles at any given
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time that are on the streets of San Francisco. This
is not like five or six, this is a fleet
at this point. Do you know off hand? Then I
keep telling people we don't. We don't go over the
questions in advanced markets. What comes into my mind? And
if I ask you a question and it's way out
of out of your your area of expertise, do you
know anything about whether or not this type of autonomous
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vehicles are being you are a further down the line
of being adopted or accepted in other countries, or are
we leading the way? Do you think?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:09):
They are.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
They are all over the world. I don't have like
a list in front of me, and I'm not really
sure that's a good question.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Are we leading the world?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
We do have some like you mentioned Google, and there's
been a lot of startups in the United States really
trying to take the lead on that. One of Nvidia,
which is a company a lot of folks might be
thinking about these days because of you know, the stock market.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
But they're they're hardware, they're they're GPUs, their chips are
are really vital for these systems because a lot of
these cars that are driving in the trunk is a
ton of computer hardware processing everything that's coming into the
sensors in real time. So Americans are really in this certainly,
and Las Vegas is another city where they're really pretty common.
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So it's interesting about our survey. You know, even though
six and ten people say they're afraid of them never
get into them, that number starts to change when people
are exposed to them and see them. So if you
go to Las Vegas, you're a good example, you wrote
in one and I'm really interested after we talk to
hear about your experience and whether you feel more comfortable
with the idea in the future, because I think once
people are exposed to it, they kind of realize like, okay,
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this is not bad. In controlled environments where they're geo fenced,
as in, you know, they've mapped this area, they know
these roads are going to work. It's you can't go
outside of a certain boundary, you can't get in that
way MAW and then going across country road trip, that's
where these systems are really working. The big question is,
you know, when do we take the leash off? You know,
and so that is so long ways away, but exposure
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to these things is certainly warming people to them. In general.
So it's it's certainly interesting, but we're were behind where
the projections were. As you mentioned, like in the early
two thousands, the car companies were saying, you know, by
twenty fifteen, you know, we'll have full self driving anywhere
you want. Still seems to be that that carrot we
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just can't catch up to quite yet.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Interesting, It just it just is.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
That's that's a perfect metaphor. We're chasing the carrot, and
it looks as if the carrots getting away from We
thought we were closer five years ago, Mark, I appreciate
very much. And there is this survey that Triple A
did that found Americans are still afraid of self driving vehicles,
and this came out just a couple of days ago,
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February twenty fifth, twenty twenty five, two days ago. Actually,
we've grown slightly less wary of self driving vehicles over
the past year. Just thirteen percent of US drivers indicate
that feel safe riding in a self driving or autonomous
vehicle and AV That is up from last year, when
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only nine percent of drivers said that they felt they'd
be comfortable. Despite the slight increase, six and ten drivers
still report being afraid to get into a vehicle that
drives itself. I had no hesitation. I was with my
daughter and son in law and it was it was fun.
I mean I was, I was. I was having a
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ball in it.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And I'm not somebody who adjusts easily, anyone who knows
me to change. I tend to be a little cautious
when when you're doing something differently. But my daughter said,
don't worry here it is right here, jump in and okay,
you know, I kept saying, energy, I can't see the driver, Katie,
where where's the driver? Playing the role of the dumb dad,
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which my kids will come.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
That's funny because our survey, our survey found that people
are more inclined to do it if they know someone
who's ridden one before, or a family member or somebody.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
The numbers jump up.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
So you're you're right into that where you know, you
had your kids saying, oh, it's fine, we see them all.
You know, it's this is a thing around here, and
so you got that initial editation and it is a
who I've seen videos of people riding them up and
down the Las Vegas Strip and it's it's like another
feature or another you know, amenity on your your vacation.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
It's it's like.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Question, it's another Vegas attraction that in the Elvis Wedding Chapel.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yeah, whether I see people commuting to downtown in these anytime,
So that's a big question Mark. But you know, talking
to you now, I'm more inclined to maybe get into
one someday.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
So yeah, I think you're Hey, Mark, I appreciate it
so much. Thank you, very very much. Okay, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
My pleasure.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Dan, great to chat.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Thanks, Thanks Mark. Okay, we're going to take a break.
I'd love to know any of you if you've been
in any of the cities where these are available. I
just think that this is an interesting topic, something we
haven't done in our in our seventeen and and a
half years of Night Side, so we're always trying to
find different areas. And what I've learned is that there's
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a lot of people in my audience who have different
levels of expertise. Let me take a quick break here.
The number six, one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty,
six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty or triple
eight nine two, nine, ten thirty, all of those will
get you in. We're talking about self driving auto autonomous?
Is that the way I had the pronunciation down early?
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Autononymous vehicles? Self driving vehicles? Have you experienced it? Would
you trust? Uh? Sitting in the backseat while the car
drives itself? You just basically tell just like Uber. In Uber,
you tell the driver, you know, pick me up here,
I want to get here. Uh. This is the same,
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except it's it's even easier. Back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 9 (14:55):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios, WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Okay, let's see what people have to say. I'm gonna
go first off to Joe and Revere. Joe, appreciate your calling. India.
If you had any experience with a self driving vehicle
or an autononymous.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Vehicle, Dan, I wish I could say, yeah, obviously you have,
but I haven't. I do sell cause and I tell
CAUs with what they call super cruise. You probably saw
the commercial on TV to going over a bridge and
a GMC clapping their hands to clean doing sixty miles
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an hour. I'm sorry, but I'm sixty years old.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
I don't believe in this concept of you not driving
your vehicle being in control of it, and like, why
you have to do that, like if you're driving somewhere,
drop your kids at school, go to work, and be
in control of your vehicle yourself. I just I'm sorry.
Maybe you get it so you know more about it
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than me, but I'm just.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Look, I experienced it. I mean, I was in San
Francisco and they're very common in San Francisco. You could
identify them because on the roof of the car they
had these little devices. It almost looks like, you know,
a light, but it's not. I think it basically is
making sure there's nothing around them or they're getting they're
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not getting too close. But hey, it's different strokes for
different folks. I guess, is what I'm what I'm trying
to say, and it's it's interesting. I learned a lot
about them today. We were talking Marita and II, the producer,
were talking estually. I said, well, we haven't done this,
and let's give it a shot. Let's see what happens.
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They started they're using they started using them in Phoenix, Arizona,
which is if you've ever been to Phoenix, it's a
city that's really laid out with streets going you know,
horizontally and perpendicularly it's it's a well laid out city,
unlike Boston. They launched there in twenty twenty and they
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basically have a ninety square mile area in Metro Phoenix
where they work. San Francisco started in just last August,
but they have they have a lot of these cars
now in San Francisco, these Waymo car Waymo cars, La
a little bit of again ninety square miles, including downtown.
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And they're going to be in Austin, Texas next sometime
this year, Atlanta, Georgia, uh, Miami next year, Miami, Florida
next year. And they're also testing I guess Las Vegas
and San Diego. So they're coming. They're not They're not
going to get here as quickly as people thought they
were going to get here. But it it was. It
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had a very safe feel. I mean, to be honest
with you. You know, you get in a cab with it,
you get in a car with an Uber driver, you
get into a cab. Sometimes I've been more nervous with
cab drivers or drivers than I was in this way
Moat to be I'm serious.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I drove a cap for twelve years. Yeah, I mean,
but honestly, I'm surprised, but I haven't done it, and
you have. You're a man of the world, so you've
experienced it. To me, personally, I'm totally against anybody but
a person driving the vehicle, having their foot on the
break in the gas and being able to break when
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they want to. At some point, AI can mess up.
Everybody knows that. You could type in dagas set it,
but I personally am not comfortable or safe. I don't
even like the super cruise where you're not driving the car,
somebody at the carriage.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I don't know. I have Joe, I have a twenty
thirteen Vovo, and I know that I have that.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
On my page seventy dollars that size.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
Dan a little more eighty eight dollars, okay, which is
one of the reasons I keep the Voval uh no
but uh and Vovals Vovo.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
When this car was manufactured, Vovals were great cars. I
don't believe that Vovos are anything close to what they use.
The different company owns them and all of that. We'll
leave that for another time. But I've never used the
cruise control on my car.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Yeah, I don't interest them.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I have no interest either because I want to be
able to because there's I'm one of these drivers. I'm
always assuming that the person in front of me is
going to do something stupid. I saw a video someone
sent me yesterday and these two guys.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
That's why I'm surprised when you said you did one
and you're you're kind of confident because you don't seem
to me like the type of guy that would be
for that stuff. But you're all in the world, buddy,
so you've done it to experience it.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
H Joe. I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks my friend,
Thanks for calling. Thanks Thanks Joe, talk soon, good night.
I got some wide open lines. We're going to talk
to Susan in Belmont next and I have lines open
at six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty and
I have one line at six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. If you have been in a way
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Moo or one of these self driving cars, I think
that's I believe that when they start in Atlanta, there's
going to be public access via an Uber app, and
also when they start in Austin, Texas. But for now,
I believe all the cars are owned by Google and
the app is called Weaimo, Waymo for these autonomous vehicles
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six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty or six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Coming right back
on nights Side. We're doing a couple of different topics tonight,
and I hope that if you're listening, you're willing to
experiment a lot of my call. My regular callers call
and they want to talk politics, the same issues, and
we'll do that, you know that. But I like to
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try to mix in something different every once in a while,
just a little spice of life. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on w BEAZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Okay, let's go to Susan in Belmont, Susan. You were
next on Nightside. I appreciate you taking the time to
call in. Welcome. How are you tonight?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Fine?
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Thank you. I love your show. I listened to it
all the time. I called once a couple of years ago,
but I listened all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Thank you. Nice to have you back.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Yeah, I think this subject is very interesting. I have
a granddaughter who goes to school in Arizona and the
Phoenix area, and I said to her one day, I
want to give you a gift card for Uber a lift.
Which one do you use? And she said, oh, Graham,
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I we use Waimo And I said, oh, that would
make me nervous, you know, with no driver. And she said, oh,
we feel so safe. We always use way more because
if we're driving coming home from a job or a
party and or by ourselves, we feel much safer that
there was. We're not riding with some strange guy. So
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I thought that was an interesting take on it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I think it's a great take when you think about it.
I mean absolutely, there was a story this week about
against you know, someone else who you know, you know,
took advantage of some woman who who maybe had had
some drinks and was unconscious and all of that. You know,
it's just as yeah, horrible, horrible, what can happen? And
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when I was in how long has your daughter been
been using this service in Arizona for a while?
Speaker 6 (22:51):
This is this is her second year in college.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Great, okay, you're going to Arizona State University.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's great school.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
It's a really good school.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
By the way, journalistic program.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, she'll probably take my job someday, but oh, okay,
that's okay. No, as U is a great school. They
get as they are in the top ten. And I
happen to know this. Of National Merit Scholarship finalists, there's
only about fifteen thousand students who qualify as National Merit
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Scholarship finalists. And they along with you know, you expect
Yale and Harvard and Princeton, but University of Arizona and
the University of Oklahoma, they go out and they really
induce kids to come out there. I'll bet you she's
got a pretty a pretty good deal out there to
go to school from all the way from Massachusetts. They
look for they look for smart kids. So she's gonna
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do just great. And she's pretty smart to be thinking
about this as well. Would you if they came to Boston,
would you try it?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
You know?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Or would you would you never try that yourself?
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Oh, I think I would try it. I saw them
out in San Francisco, you know, driving by, and I thought, oh,
I don't know if I would, but they were there
were a lot of them out there. I think I
would try it. I'm not sure I would feel so safe,
but I guess it's I can understand from a college
girls point of view, how they particularly.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
At night, particularly at night you're in the car, absolutely
and you you know you're going to get to your location.
But I got to tell you, I had no apprehension.
You know, got in, and it's pretty weird because you
look at the front seat and you realize no one's there.
And there's a little statement that tells you, Okay, buckle
your seat belts. Everybody buckles the seat belt. If you
don't buckle the seat belt, then the Waymo's not going
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to take you anywhere. And then slowly but surely, you know,
you could tell that it didn't look. The car doesn't look,
but it waited for traffic to go by, and then
slowly but surely it came out of the parking space
and moved along the floor of traffic and it took
very easy turns. There was no speed around the corner,
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and it was it was fine. I actually enjoyed it.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
And I'm a very distinctive looking car coming down the
street too, with that thing on the top of it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Whatever. Ye with all the mechanics, the the the electronics
and the technology. Yeah, anyway, I enjoyed it. I would
recommend the next time you're out in one of those cities,
give it a shot.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Okay, when I go to visit her in Phoenix, I'll
give it a shot.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Do me a favorite, tell her that we wish you
the best of Locke and uh, I'm sure someday she
will do you proud as a as a journalist. Your granddaughter, Susan,
thanks so much. You don't wait. Don't waits.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Tried to call a couple of times. But if your
line is always busy, well that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But we'll try to get make sure we get you through. Okay,
this is a good line.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Thanks so much. A great, great show, the one you
called here.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
This is the easier line to get through one. Believe
it a lot. Everybody has his condition to do. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. This one, the six one, seven, nine three
one ten thirty.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Well, when you started this one on nine three one,
it was the ladies. Yes, we started that one.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
We did. Yeah. Well, I like my lady callers, Okay,
I mean I like the guy callers. Don't get me wrong,
but someone once told me that when I started this,
that talk radio was the bastion of angry men. And
I want angry men. I want happy men. I want
angry women, happy women. Every everything.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Well, you're doing great job. Thanks a lot, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Susan, appreciate your time and thanks for calling. Good night.
Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. Let me go to John
in Boston. See what John thinks? Hey John next on
night Side.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, I just have a basic question.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I'm one.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
You know self driving cars are here and you lost
your license, that you have no license. What's going to
happen with that? Well, much say you can go out
and buy a self driving car.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Well, I don't think we're going to the research that
I've done, and I've done some research on this today.
They're not going to be selling these cars probably until
twenty forty, so you've got to look ahead about fifteen years.
The self driving way, MOO vehicles, the autonomous vehicles. You
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don't need a driver's license to get into one of
those because you don't touch you don't touch the steering wheel.
So this is a great car for if let's say
you know, you're out late at night and you've had
a couple of drinks and you don't want to drive home,
and this is like an uber but without the driver,
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and it's and they're in a bunch of cities now.
As I said, Phoenix, l A, San Francisco. I experienced
it in in San Francisco and it was very cool.
I mean, I think I know you well enough to
John that that that you would enjoy it. You call
you know.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
Often, Well, I might enjoy it, But I'm just wondering
what's gonna happen when that time comes about having a
driver's license or no driver's license or What's what.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You're saying is, yeah, well, well I don't if you're
gonna buy a vehicle and you're gonna assuming that the
vehicle is a totally autonomous vehicle, it's it probably won't
arrive as a totally autonomous vehicle. These cars are totally autonomous.
There's no driver, No one's the only it's it's all
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done electronically.
Speaker 11 (28:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
There's a steering wheel. It looks like you were sitting
in the backseat of a normal car, and the steering
wheel turns, and the car goes in the direction of
the steer. The steering wheel turns and and then it
moves into traffic and it makes a left hand turn,
it makes a right hand turn. It's it's it's as
if it's a ghost driving would be the best way
to describe it.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Okay, well, that's gonna be a real wake up, a
freak out with somebody and like a McDonald's drive up
or breaking drive up and the car pulls up and
the knowing this seat exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And again I suspect and I don't know the answer
to this that if somebody was a wise guy and
said I'm going to try to climb up onto the
front seat, I'll bet you that would disable the car
because they there's no way that they're going to let
somebody who's you know, half in the bag jump up
and take control of the car. It's it's run again
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by computers and by somebody probably who's like the equivalent
of an air traffic controller, who's who's following where the
car's going and making sure that it's going from point
A to point B. But in terms of could you
buy one if you, uh, let's say, had the misfortune
of having lost your driver's license. It would also be
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good if somebody had enough money. And let's say the
kids took the keys away. Let's assume they you know,
the kids said to mom or dad when when they
got a little on in years. Look, we don't want
you to have an accident. And that causes a lot
of aggravation within families right now, you know, because dad
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and mom want to keep driving and the kids are
concerned about their safety. So if it was fifteen years
fast forward, they could say, look, we're gonna, you know,
take your car, We're going to trade it in and
we're going to get you a Weymo. So they could
I assume, have a way Mo and just call and
say to Waimo, look, I want to leave my house
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and I want to go to the supermarket. Take me
to the supermarket and no one's driving.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Has any political talk been done about driving license on these.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I haven't seen any. But I don't think you need
a driver's license. Now. Again, they may say once you
own the way Mo, you have to have the wai
Mo insured, and they might say you got to get
a driver's license. But when you think about it, the
people who would I would argue that for elderly people
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who no longer want to drive, particularly elderly folks who
don't want to drive at night, if if these cars
became available where they could buy them, uh, and they
want to maintain their privacy and they don't want to
be out at night getting ubers and lifts and all this.
This would be a great option. Park it in your
own garage. You could park it in your backyard. Just
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a thought. You know. Uh, you raise good issues. I
have good questions, John, As often.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Happens, I don't have a suspended license in them more,
you know, get a way more car and they don't
need no big.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Deal, I would assume. So unless there was some you know,
new law that passes that says that you no longer
you can't purchase a car if you your license has
been revoked, or or you you have to have a
license in order to purchase the vehicle. I'm sure that
the politicians will come up with something and they'll charge
you extra if you if you own a WAYMO. But
I don't know if it's going to happen in my
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lifetime of your lifetime. And it's it's at least fifteen
years out and it keeps getting pushed out further and further, John,
I got to get to a break. Thanks, I can
call Pe'll appreciate it. Good night, got wide open lines here.
I think it's interesting, though, has anyone out there had
the experience that I've had with driving away MO riding
in a way you don't drive away moul You you
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sit in the backseat, and you watch the steering wheel turn,
and you you are a passenger in an autoymous auto
anonymous I got I had the pronunciation, and now I've
lost it again. Auto autonomous rob reminds me of my
ear auto autonomous vehicle. Uh. And you are simply sitting there.
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The cost of the ride is on your credit card
or whatever. If you have an app. I assume my
daughter has an app for this everything else. She is
an app for everything. I go wide open line six
one seven, two four ten thirty six one seven nine
three one ten thirty. What are your thoughts this? This
will probably be the way people get around twenty years
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from now. I'm sure it's like talking about the arrival
of Henry Ford's Model T when Hosses ruled the roads.
Coming back on night side, don't leave me alone, give
me a call. If this doesn't carry into the next hour,
we'll come up with a different topic. But I think
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this is a fascinating topic, maybe because I've experienced it
back on nightside.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
After this, now back to Dan Ray live from the
Window World Night Side Studios.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Okay, back to the phones. We go. We'll get everybody
in and if we fall off, we'll we'll move to
another topic. Let's go to Jerry in Michigan. Hey, Jerry,
welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 11 (34:08):
Yeah, I'm okay, Dan. My car is made in Germany.
I don't have a way mo, but my car will
maintain this distance from the car in front of you.
When I put it in cruise control, it will adjust
the speed limits. When the speed limit changes, it'll go
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up or it'll go down. I can change lanes with
just the turn signal. It'll check for traffic. Make sure
there's no traffic in the way. It won't it won't
go if there's traffic, and I can voice command it,
tell it where I want to go, and it'll go
There'll it'll maintain the lanes, but I have to keep
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my hands on the wheel. I can take my hands
off the wheel for fifteen to thirty second something like that,
and it'll tell me to put my hands back on
the wheel. And if I fail to do that three times,
it'll pull over to the side of the road. Stop
the car and call nine to one one. Really what
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type of money of a BMW No Mercedes?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Oh okay, okay, good for you, Good for you. Well,
I got to tell you you, like anything else, if
you get comfortable with it, I'm sure it's going to
work for you. Sounds like it's a great idea. It
probably is a little bit too mechanically complex or technically
complex for me, because I've got a couple of those
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little items where you could you could go sixty five
miles an hour in open roads, but I'm I'd rather
maintain control of the car. But in terms of this
Weimo and again it's the company, it's not a car.
It's called a Weaimo, which is it's very still a
very experimental even in San Francisco.
Speaker 11 (35:56):
Yeah, No, I've seen them. They've come. I live in
rural I live in a rural lower part of Michigan.
And uh Google's been by here with their way mos
and uh they do their mapping. They've got my they've
got my property. I've got three quarters of a mile
on the state highway, and they've mau my driveway and
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my whole property up and down and and I'm pretty
sure that's the same spinning thing you're talking about on
the roof.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
That cakes exactly. Yeah. What what city are you near
in southern.
Speaker 11 (36:30):
Michigan, Grailing? I'm I'm east of Grailing.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Give me a city i'll recognize.
Speaker 11 (36:37):
Gaylor about about Bay City?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah it was it Wasn't that the home of the
wrestler Bobo Brazil, I think or something like that.
Speaker 11 (36:47):
If I'm not, I don't know. I'm trying to think
of the ladies. Madonna was from Bay City. And I'm
probably an hour and twenty minutes north northeast, north and
northwest of Bay City. Like I say, I'm in rural,
rural America.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
But yeah, that's great, And thank you for listening to
us out there. I know I've talked to you before,
and I hope you'll continue to call and listen.
Speaker 11 (37:15):
Yeah, I've listened all the time. I called you with
the airplane questions you had when they were scooping water, Yes,
I told you, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, you were absolutely correct. The numbers that that I
had read, I either read them wrong or they were
printed wrong. But I did see those planes. They came in,
they touched down, they picked up, and they just then
lifted off. Yeah, you described it perfectly thanks to you.
Speaker 11 (37:39):
Yeah, I told you about the trains had been around
since World War One world War two. They scoop water
from between the railroad tracks so they don't have to
stop with the water towers.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah. Let me tell you you've been a great caller
every time, so please continue to listen.
Speaker 11 (37:53):
Okay, Well, I love my Mercedes. Like I said, it's
it's not a way mom, but it it does a lot.
It's got cameras all around it, and even the cameras
are on when it's parked. It'll, uh, it'll, it'll text
me when somebody touches the car.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Sounds great, sounds great, Jerry. What are your Mercedes by
the way, bragg.
Speaker 11 (38:14):
On, Oh it's it's the latest model.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
What do you do out there? Are you a farmer?
You said you've got a lot of land.
Speaker 11 (38:22):
Yeah, I'm a farmer. I got I do cattle, but
I do most of most of my money I make
in the stock market. I've been I've been retired for
I retired when I was forty five, and I've I've
been done very well.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You know, Jerry, I'd love to have you become my stockbroker.
Thanks man, I appreciate the call keep in touch. Okay,
thank you, thank you. By I'm gonna go to Warren
and Fall River. Warren, how are you, sir Berry?
Speaker 8 (38:53):
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Dan?
Speaker 8 (38:55):
No way I would trust being in a driving Okay,
especially not in Boston.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah. And by the way, I found out something about
Fall River the other day that you're going to be
interested in. Okay, I was listening to Congressman Auchenclass. He
was with a fellow from the New York Times with
a long conversation. And do you know that Donald Trump
carried the city of fall River in the election of
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twenty twenty four. He won the city of fall River.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
Really, I did not know that. That's a surprise because
we're very liberal.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Well tell that. Here's why it's more of a surprise
he won. According to Congressman Auchen Class, Donald President Trump
won the city of fall River, the first time in
over one hundred years that a Republican presidential candidate carried
the city of fall River.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
Wow that you know that that's kind of shocking because again,
it's it's a very very very liberal city.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, so well whatever, Like it's just it's a democratic city.
It's a blue collar city in many respects. Hey, look,
so you would you would not get into I would not.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
I would not trust it. And my worries is like
that with technology and AI and the technology and the hackers.
Like I remember when these things were first introduced, they
were trying to hack the car and sure enough, you
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know you had you had a couple of hackers that
would get control of the car and they would right
it could drive you off a cliffs. So I never
thought of that. But and what about really bad weather?
Speaker 5 (40:47):
What if you're.
Speaker 8 (40:47):
Driving in like a blizzard, or what what about bike lanes?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
You know you leave.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
Boston.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
That's what makes you a great callie. You've raised all questions.
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Hey, I'm up my break. I got you in before
the before the eleven o'clock news. I thank you much
as always.
Speaker 8 (41:08):
Your okay, Okay, thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Thank you and talk to you soon. Okay. To those
are in the line, Glenn and west Roxbury, Martha and
seakak you guys stay there. You'll start us off. On
the other side. I'd like to continue this conversation. We
may get to some open lines in the eleven, but
let's keep going. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six one, seven, nine,
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy
Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
First of all, I want to thank everyone again who
took the time last hour to talk about the Patriots.
I know we're not a sports show, but I do
like to work in different topics every once in a
while and got a little bit of a different topic
to talk about tonight. In the ten o'clock hour we're
going to right now, I want to talk about self
driving cars. I recently had a ride in a self
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driving car on the streets of San Francisco. I can
get into that a little bit later on during this hour,
because I want to start off with Mark shield drop
of Triple A. Mark, welcome back to Night's Side. We
normally hit you in the eight o'clock hour. Thanks for
being available here at ten. How are you tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It's all good and it's great to be back.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Thanks for having me Dan.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So, what is the position if there is of a
triple A on this development? Have you ever had the
opportunity to take a ride in a autonomous vehicle? No?
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I haven't personally, so I'm one of those folks is
a little anxious about it, you know, even though the
numbers tell me that generally speaking, the robo taxis or
the self driving cards you can ride in today are
pretty safe.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Still, there is.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Something unnerving about not having anybody behind the wheel.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, there's a company which I believe is owned by Google.
It's called Waymou and in a bunch of cities Phoenix,
La San Francisco, and I think soon Miami and Atlanta,
and maybe there's a couple more here. You instead of
calling an uber, you call waymo and go from point
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A to point B. You sit in the back seat.
There's nobody up front, there's nobody behind the wheel, and
there's nobody in the front passager seat and it's all
done remotely. Has has Triple A looked at this or
is it so small a fleet of cars? Although the
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fleet is growing in all of those three cities as
I understand it, that Triple A has has yet to
take a formal position on if this is a good idea.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
So we've been following this for a while, and you know,
we have a pretty open mind about it, and we
think that there's some value to research and development of
these technologies because we think it'll bleed into the everyday
cars we drive and we're already seeing improvements in safety
and driver assistance systems and cars today, and I think
some of that is because of some of the research
down this. We think that self driving vehicles, with the
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right regulations and the right planning and the right investment
in infrastructure, could be an interesting option to get people
transported to places safely. But you know, there's a balancing act.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, I don't think we're close to cars being sold.
That was one of the questions I had today that
we had to work through. The best that I have
seen is that maybe fifteen years out, the estimates are
that maybe people would be able to purchase those cars.
All of us know. I guess that you can in
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most new cars, or certainly cars that are even of
recent vintage. When you're out on a highway, you can
set the car at a controlled speed, say sixty or
sixty five, and the car will not go any faster,
it won't go any slower unless you apply the brakes.
So that technology has been around for a long time,
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and I don't know how many people take advantage of that.
But you got to pay attention. You got to have
your hand on the wheel, you got to make sure
the car doesn't drift. So it's one element of self
driving is that as you understand that, I want to
make sure I'm not saying something that is technically incorrect.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, listeners, you know, without getting into the weeds. There's
different levels of automation. You know that even the Tesla,
the autopilot or there their fully self driving mode that
they call it is only level two and it.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Goes all the way up to five.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Five is no human intervention at all whatsoever. Those way
moos you ride around in are are fully self fully automated.
But there is somebody, you know, in a on a
console somewhere who can intervene if need be, because there's
still you know, chances for them to get stuck or
get into a predicament.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
On the roadway.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Uh, and so they have to be kind of manually resolved.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So yeah, but they don't whoever's on that console doesn't
have the opportunity if if somebody, let us say, leaps,
is doing something and wants to hurt themselves, they want
to leap in front of the weymol you're driving. It's
conceived and I believe I believe that there have been
some accidents, Okay, and yeah, it may not be the
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fault of the weymold, but somebody turns the wrong way
and hits the way mop I would probably think it's
more likely the driver of the other car that has
a faulved having driven in one. Oh.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Absolutely, it was really cool.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
There are crashes involving these vehicles, but the funny thing
is it's usually humans crashing into them, so they generally
have a pretty good record as far as causing collisions.
But you're right, you know, it's it's one of those
things where when you're mixing the automated vehicles on the
public roads with human drivers, that's where the real challenge lies.
(05:34):
Because these the technology is interesting and all, but they
really have to be on areas that they know they
operate well. So you can just set them loose in
downtown Boston, for example. That's not going to work anytime soon.
And that's the real engineering and technology challenge. How are
they going to get to that level? And we're still
quite a few years away from that happening.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, and has you know Triple A. Obviously I understand
what Triple A is as an organization. You have not
taken a position. I assume that that Triple a is
not likely to take a position at any point, and
you're just going to allow the industry to proceed with caution.
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I'm assuming correct.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, you know, we think that there should be safety assessments.
We think that any pilot or testing should be done
really thoughtfully. We should. Consumer education is really important so
people know what's happening and why these vehicles are showing
up on the roadway. And there's also concern about generating
personal data and privacy and cybersecurity issues, so we want
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to make sure that there's legislation to make sure that's
all transparent. Because these are vehicles packed with technology, they
can gather data, whether it's people in the vehicles or
you know, the world around them as they're driving. So
that's important too.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So amplify on that for me a little bit. You
probably are more hip to that. What what sort of
I mean if I'm personally calling a weaymo, what's the
difference between me calling a weymo and me calling an
uber or a cab in terms of surrendering personal information?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Well, you know, I think more about these vehicles out
on our roadways. You know, that's a really good question.
That's that's an area I probably should think about more myself.
You know, I'm looking at you know, what our policy
stances are, and I think it's it's pretty broad to say,
you know, privacy and cybersecurity issues. But when we have
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people engaging in a testing program on our public roads
and in cooperation with the municipality or city, you know,
we want everything to be fully about board and transparent.
Similar to any sort of automated enforcement, for example on
our highways with camera systems, are tolling and that sort
of thing. We don't want to just sign a blank
check to a private organization and let them test these
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things out.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Well.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
We want to know, you know, what data are they
collecting when they're out there doing this stuff and report
back so we have a fair and you know, open
process there.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Okay, let me ask you one other questions, and that
is that I know that these again, I think it's
technically called WAIMO. These vehicles are way called waimo, owned
by Google operating at this point, I know in Phoenix,
LA and San Francisco, and they're pretty common. I think
they're up to about three hundred vehicles at any given
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time that are on the streets of San Francisco. This
is not like five or six, this is a fleet
at this point. Do you know off hand? Then I
keep telling people we don't. We don't go over the
questions in advanced markets. What comes into my mind? And
if I ask you a question and it's way out
of out of your your area of expertise, do you
know anything about whether or not this type of autonomous
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vehicles are being you are a further down the line
of being adopted or accepted in other countries, or are
we leading the way? Do you think?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:09):
They are.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
They are all over the world. I don't have like
a list in front of me, and I'm not really
sure that's a good question.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Are we leading the world?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
We do have some like you mentioned Google, and there's
been a lot of startups in the United States really
trying to take the lead on that. One of Nvidia,
which is a company a lot of folks might be
thinking about these days because of you know, the stock market.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
But they're they're hardware, they're they're GPUs, their chips are
are really vital for these systems because a lot of
these cars that are driving in the trunk is a
ton of computer hardware processing everything that's coming into the
sensors in real time. So Americans are really in this certainly,
and Las Vegas is another city where they're really pretty common.
(10:06):
So it's interesting about our survey. You know, even though
six and ten people say they're afraid of them never
get into them, that number starts to change when people
are exposed to them and see them. So if you
go to Las Vegas, you're a good example, you wrote
in one and I'm really interested after we talk to
hear about your experience and whether you feel more comfortable
with the idea in the future, because I think once
people are exposed to it, they kind of realize like, okay,
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this is not bad. In controlled environments where they're geo fenced,
as in, you know, they've mapped this area, they know
these roads are going to work. It's you can't go
outside of a certain boundary, you can't get in that
way MAW and then going across country road trip, that's
where these systems are really working. The big question is,
you know, when do we take the leash off? You know,
and so that is so long ways away, but exposure
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to these things is certainly warming people to them. In general.
So it's it's certainly interesting, but we're were behind where
the projections were. As you mentioned, like in the early
two thousands, the car companies were saying, you know, by
twenty fifteen, you know, we'll have full self driving anywhere
you want. Still seems to be that that carrot we
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just can't catch up to quite yet.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Interesting, It just it just is.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
That's that's a perfect metaphor. We're chasing the carrot, and
it looks as if the carrots getting away from We
thought we were closer five years ago, Mark, I appreciate
very much. And there is this survey that Triple A
did that found Americans are still afraid of self driving vehicles,
and this came out just a couple of days ago,
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February twenty fifth, twenty twenty five, two days ago. Actually,
we've grown slightly less wary of self driving vehicles over
the past year. Just thirteen percent of US drivers indicate
that feel safe riding in a self driving or autonomous
vehicle and AV That is up from last year, when
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only nine percent of drivers said that they felt they'd
be comfortable. Despite the slight increase, six and ten drivers
still report being afraid to get into a vehicle that
drives itself. I had no hesitation. I was with my
daughter and son in law and it was it was fun.
I mean I was, I was. I was having a
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ball in it.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And I'm not somebody who adjusts easily, anyone who knows
me to change. I tend to be a little cautious
when when you're doing something differently. But my daughter said,
don't worry here it is right here, jump in and okay,
you know, I kept saying, energy, I can't see the driver, Katie,
where where's the driver? Playing the role of the dumb dad,
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which my kids will come.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
That's funny because our survey, our survey found that people
are more inclined to do it if they know someone
who's ridden one before, or a family member or somebody.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
The numbers jump up.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
So you're you're right into that where you know, you
had your kids saying, oh, it's fine, we see them all.
You know, it's this is a thing around here, and
so you got that initial editation and it is a
who I've seen videos of people riding them up and
down the Las Vegas Strip and it's it's like another
feature or another you know, amenity on your your vacation.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
It's it's like.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Question, it's another Vegas attraction that in the Elvis Wedding Chapel.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Yeah, whether I see people commuting to downtown in these anytime,
So that's a big question Mark. But you know, talking
to you now, I'm more inclined to maybe get into
one someday.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
So yeah, I think you're Hey, Mark, I appreciate it
so much. Thank you, very very much. Okay, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
My pleasure.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Dan, great to chat.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Thanks, Thanks Mark. Okay, we're going to take a break.
I'd love to know any of you if you've been
in any of the cities where these are available. I
just think that this is an interesting topic, something we
haven't done in our in our seventeen and and a
half years of Night Side, so we're always trying to
find different areas. And what I've learned is that there's
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a lot of people in my audience who have different
levels of expertise. Let me take a quick break here.
The number six, one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty,
six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty or triple
eight nine two, nine, ten thirty, all of those will
get you in. We're talking about self driving auto autonomous?
Is that the way I had the pronunciation down early?
(14:30):
Autononymous vehicles? Self driving vehicles? Have you experienced it? Would
you trust? Uh? Sitting in the backseat while the car
drives itself? You just basically tell just like Uber. In Uber,
you tell the driver, you know, pick me up here,
I want to get here. Uh. This is the same,
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except it's it's even easier. Back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 9 (14:55):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios, WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Okay, let's see what people have to say. I'm gonna
go first off to Joe and Revere. Joe, appreciate your calling. India.
If you had any experience with a self driving vehicle
or an autononymous.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Vehicle, Dan, I wish I could say, yeah, obviously you have,
but I haven't. I do sell cause and I tell
CAUs with what they call super cruise. You probably saw
the commercial on TV to going over a bridge and
a GMC clapping their hands to clean doing sixty miles
(15:34):
an hour. I'm sorry, but I'm sixty years old.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
I don't believe in this concept of you not driving
your vehicle being in control of it, and like, why
you have to do that, like if you're driving somewhere,
drop your kids at school, go to work, and be
in control of your vehicle yourself. I just I'm sorry.
Maybe you get it so you know more about it
(15:58):
than me, but I'm just.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Look, I experienced it. I mean, I was in San
Francisco and they're very common in San Francisco. You could
identify them because on the roof of the car they
had these little devices. It almost looks like, you know,
a light, but it's not. I think it basically is
making sure there's nothing around them or they're getting they're
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not getting too close. But hey, it's different strokes for
different folks. I guess, is what I'm what I'm trying
to say, and it's it's interesting. I learned a lot
about them today. We were talking Marita and II, the producer,
were talking estually. I said, well, we haven't done this,
and let's give it a shot. Let's see what happens.
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They started they're using they started using them in Phoenix, Arizona,
which is if you've ever been to Phoenix, it's a
city that's really laid out with streets going you know,
horizontally and perpendicularly it's it's a well laid out city,
unlike Boston. They launched there in twenty twenty and they
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basically have a ninety square mile area in Metro Phoenix
where they work. San Francisco started in just last August,
but they have they have a lot of these cars
now in San Francisco, these Waymo car Waymo cars, La
a little bit of again ninety square miles, including downtown.
(17:27):
And they're going to be in Austin, Texas next sometime
this year, Atlanta, Georgia, uh, Miami next year, Miami, Florida
next year. And they're also testing I guess Las Vegas
and San Diego. So they're coming. They're not They're not
going to get here as quickly as people thought they
were going to get here. But it it was. It
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had a very safe feel. I mean, to be honest
with you. You know, you get in a cab with it,
you get in a car with an Uber driver, you
get into a cab. Sometimes I've been more nervous with
cab drivers or drivers than I was in this way
Moat to be I'm serious.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I drove a cap for twelve years. Yeah, I mean,
but honestly, I'm surprised, but I haven't done it, and
you have. You're a man of the world, so you've
experienced it. To me, personally, I'm totally against anybody but
a person driving the vehicle, having their foot on the
break in the gas and being able to break when
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they want to. At some point, AI can mess up.
Everybody knows that. You could type in dagas set it,
but I personally am not comfortable or safe. I don't
even like the super cruise where you're not driving the car,
somebody at the carriage.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I don't know. I have Joe, I have a twenty
thirteen Vovo, and I know that I have that.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
On my page seventy dollars that size.
Speaker 10 (18:53):
Dan a little more eighty eight dollars, okay, which is
one of the reasons I keep the Voval uh no
but uh and Vovals Vovo.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
When this car was manufactured, Vovals were great cars. I
don't believe that Vovos are anything close to what they use.
The different company owns them and all of that. We'll
leave that for another time. But I've never used the
cruise control on my car.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Yeah, I don't interest them.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I have no interest either because I want to be
able to because there's I'm one of these drivers. I'm
always assuming that the person in front of me is
going to do something stupid. I saw a video someone
sent me yesterday and these two guys.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
That's why I'm surprised when you said you did one
and you're you're kind of confident because you don't seem
to me like the type of guy that would be
for that stuff. But you're all in the world, buddy,
so you've done it to experience it.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
H Joe. I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks my friend,
Thanks for calling. Thanks Thanks Joe, talk soon, good night.
I got some wide open lines. We're going to talk
to Susan in Belmont next and I have lines open
at six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty and
I have one line at six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. If you have been in a way
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Moo or one of these self driving cars, I think
that's I believe that when they start in Atlanta, there's
going to be public access via an Uber app, and
also when they start in Austin, Texas. But for now,
I believe all the cars are owned by Google and
the app is called Weaimo, Waymo for these autonomous vehicles
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six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty or six
one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Coming right back
on nights Side. We're doing a couple of different topics tonight,
and I hope that if you're listening, you're willing to
experiment a lot of my call. My regular callers call
and they want to talk politics, the same issues, and
we'll do that, you know that. But I like to
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try to mix in something different every once in a while,
just a little spice of life. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on w BEAZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Okay, let's go to Susan in Belmont, Susan. You were
next on Nightside. I appreciate you taking the time to
call in. Welcome. How are you tonight?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Fine?
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Thank you. I love your show. I listened to it
all the time. I called once a couple of years ago,
but I listened all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Thank you. Nice to have you back.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Yeah, I think this subject is very interesting. I have
a granddaughter who goes to school in Arizona and the
Phoenix area, and I said to her one day, I
want to give you a gift card for Uber a lift.
Which one do you use? And she said, oh, Graham,
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I we use Waimo And I said, oh, that would
make me nervous, you know, with no driver. And she said, oh,
we feel so safe. We always use way more because
if we're driving coming home from a job or a
party and or by ourselves, we feel much safer that
there was. We're not riding with some strange guy. So
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I thought that was an interesting take on it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I think it's a great take when you think about it.
I mean absolutely, there was a story this week about
against you know, someone else who you know, you know,
took advantage of some woman who who maybe had had
some drinks and was unconscious and all of that. You know,
it's just as yeah, horrible, horrible, what can happen? And
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when I was in how long has your daughter been
been using this service in Arizona for a while?
Speaker 6 (22:51):
This is this is her second year in college.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Great, okay, you're going to Arizona State University.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's great school.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
It's a really good school.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
By the way, journalistic program.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, she'll probably take my job someday, but oh, okay,
that's okay. No, as U is a great school. They
get as they are in the top ten. And I
happen to know this. Of National Merit Scholarship finalists, there's
only about fifteen thousand students who qualify as National Merit
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Scholarship finalists. And they along with you know, you expect
Yale and Harvard and Princeton, but University of Arizona and
the University of Oklahoma, they go out and they really
induce kids to come out there. I'll bet you she's
got a pretty a pretty good deal out there to
go to school from all the way from Massachusetts. They
look for they look for smart kids. So she's gonna
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do just great. And she's pretty smart to be thinking
about this as well. Would you if they came to Boston,
would you try it?
Speaker 6 (23:58):
You know?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Or would you would you never try that yourself?
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Oh, I think I would try it. I saw them
out in San Francisco, you know, driving by, and I thought, oh,
I don't know if I would, but they were there
were a lot of them out there. I think I
would try it. I'm not sure I would feel so safe,
but I guess it's I can understand from a college
girls point of view, how they particularly.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
At night, particularly at night you're in the car, absolutely
and you you know you're going to get to your location.
But I got to tell you, I had no apprehension.
You know, got in, and it's pretty weird because you
look at the front seat and you realize no one's there.
And there's a little statement that tells you, Okay, buckle
your seat belts. Everybody buckles the seat belt. If you
don't buckle the seat belt, then the Waymo's not going
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to take you anywhere. And then slowly but surely, you know,
you could tell that it didn't look. The car doesn't look,
but it waited for traffic to go by, and then
slowly but surely it came out of the parking space
and moved along the floor of traffic and it took
very easy turns. There was no speed around the corner,
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and it was it was fine. I actually enjoyed it.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
And I'm a very distinctive looking car coming down the
street too, with that thing on the top of it.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Whatever. Ye with all the mechanics, the the the electronics
and the technology. Yeah, anyway, I enjoyed it. I would
recommend the next time you're out in one of those cities,
give it a shot.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Okay, when I go to visit her in Phoenix, I'll
give it a shot.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Do me a favorite, tell her that we wish you
the best of Locke and uh, I'm sure someday she
will do you proud as a as a journalist. Your granddaughter, Susan,
thanks so much. You don't wait. Don't waits.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Tried to call a couple of times. But if your
line is always busy, well that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But we'll try to get make sure we get you through. Okay,
this is a good line.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Thanks so much. A great, great show, the one you
called here.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
This is the easier line to get through one. Believe
it a lot. Everybody has his condition to do. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. This one, the six one, seven, nine three
one ten thirty.
Speaker 6 (26:16):
Well, when you started this one on nine three one,
it was the ladies. Yes, we started that one.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
We did. Yeah. Well, I like my lady callers, Okay,
I mean I like the guy callers. Don't get me wrong,
but someone once told me that when I started this,
that talk radio was the bastion of angry men. And
I want angry men. I want happy men. I want
angry women, happy women. Every everything.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
Well, you're doing great job. Thanks a lot, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Susan, appreciate your time and thanks for calling. Good night.
Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. Let me go to John
in Boston. See what John thinks? Hey John next on
night Side.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, I just have a basic question.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I'm one.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
You know self driving cars are here and you lost
your license, that you have no license. What's going to
happen with that? Well, much say you can go out
and buy a self driving car.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Well, I don't think we're going to the research that
I've done, and I've done some research on this today.
They're not going to be selling these cars probably until
twenty forty, so you've got to look ahead about fifteen years.
The self driving way, MOO vehicles, the autonomous vehicles. You
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don't need a driver's license to get into one of
those because you don't touch you don't touch the steering wheel.
So this is a great car for if let's say
you know, you're out late at night and you've had
a couple of drinks and you don't want to drive home,
and this is like an uber but without the driver,
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and it's and they're in a bunch of cities now.
As I said, Phoenix, l A, San Francisco. I experienced
it in in San Francisco and it was very cool.
I mean, I think I know you well enough to
John that that that you would enjoy it. You call
you know.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
Often, Well, I might enjoy it, But I'm just wondering
what's gonna happen when that time comes about having a
driver's license or no driver's license or What's what.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You're saying is, yeah, well, well I don't if you're
gonna buy a vehicle and you're gonna assuming that the
vehicle is a totally autonomous vehicle, it's it probably won't
arrive as a totally autonomous vehicle. These cars are totally autonomous.
There's no driver, No one's the only it's it's all
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done electronically.
Speaker 11 (28:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
There's a steering wheel. It looks like you were sitting
in the backseat of a normal car, and the steering
wheel turns, and the car goes in the direction of
the steer. The steering wheel turns and and then it
moves into traffic and it makes a left hand turn,
it makes a right hand turn. It's it's it's as
if it's a ghost driving would be the best way
to describe it.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Okay, well, that's gonna be a real wake up, a
freak out with somebody and like a McDonald's drive up
or breaking drive up and the car pulls up and
the knowing this seat exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
And again I suspect and I don't know the answer
to this that if somebody was a wise guy and
said I'm going to try to climb up onto the
front seat, I'll bet you that would disable the car
because they there's no way that they're going to let
somebody who's you know, half in the bag jump up
and take control of the car. It's it's run again
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by computers and by somebody probably who's like the equivalent
of an air traffic controller, who's who's following where the
car's going and making sure that it's going from point
A to point B. But in terms of could you
buy one if you, uh, let's say, had the misfortune
of having lost your driver's license. It would also be
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good if somebody had enough money. And let's say the
kids took the keys away. Let's assume they you know,
the kids said to mom or dad when when they
got a little on in years. Look, we don't want
you to have an accident. And that causes a lot
of aggravation within families right now, you know, because dad
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and mom want to keep driving and the kids are
concerned about their safety. So if it was fifteen years
fast forward, they could say, look, we're gonna, you know,
take your car, We're going to trade it in and
we're going to get you a Weymo. So they could
I assume, have a way Mo and just call and
say to Waimo, look, I want to leave my house
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and I want to go to the supermarket. Take me
to the supermarket and no one's driving.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Has any political talk been done about driving license on these.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I haven't seen any. But I don't think you need
a driver's license. Now. Again, they may say once you
own the way Mo, you have to have the wai
Mo insured, and they might say you got to get
a driver's license. But when you think about it, the
people who would I would argue that for elderly people
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who no longer want to drive, particularly elderly folks who
don't want to drive at night, if if these cars
became available where they could buy them, uh, and they
want to maintain their privacy and they don't want to
be out at night getting ubers and lifts and all this.
This would be a great option. Park it in your
own garage. You could park it in your backyard. Just
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a thought. You know. Uh, you raise good issues. I
have good questions, John, As often.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Happens, I don't have a suspended license in them more,
you know, get a way more car and they don't
need no big.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Deal, I would assume. So unless there was some you know,
new law that passes that says that you no longer
you can't purchase a car if you your license has
been revoked, or or you you have to have a
license in order to purchase the vehicle. I'm sure that
the politicians will come up with something and they'll charge
you extra if you if you own a WAYMO. But
I don't know if it's going to happen in my
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lifetime of your lifetime. And it's it's at least fifteen
years out and it keeps getting pushed out further and further, John,
I got to get to a break. Thanks, I can
call Pe'll appreciate it. Good night, got wide open lines here.
I think it's interesting, though, has anyone out there had
the experience that I've had with driving away MO riding
in a way you don't drive away moul You you
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sit in the backseat, and you watch the steering wheel turn,
and you you are a passenger in an autoymous auto
anonymous I got I had the pronunciation, and now I've
lost it again. Auto autonomous rob reminds me of my
ear auto autonomous vehicle. Uh. And you are simply sitting there.
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The cost of the ride is on your credit card
or whatever. If you have an app. I assume my
daughter has an app for this everything else. She is
an app for everything. I go wide open line six
one seven, two four ten thirty six one seven nine
three one ten thirty. What are your thoughts this? This
will probably be the way people get around twenty years
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from now. I'm sure it's like talking about the arrival
of Henry Ford's Model T when Hosses ruled the roads.
Coming back on night side, don't leave me alone, give
me a call. If this doesn't carry into the next hour,
we'll come up with a different topic. But I think
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this is a fascinating topic, maybe because I've experienced it
back on nightside.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
After this, now back to Dan Ray live from the
Window World Night Side Studios.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Okay, back to the phones. We go. We'll get everybody
in and if we fall off, we'll we'll move to
another topic. Let's go to Jerry in Michigan. Hey, Jerry,
welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 11 (34:08):
Yeah, I'm okay, Dan. My car is made in Germany.
I don't have a way mo, but my car will
maintain this distance from the car in front of you.
When I put it in cruise control, it will adjust
the speed limits. When the speed limit changes, it'll go
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up or it'll go down. I can change lanes with
just the turn signal. It'll check for traffic. Make sure
there's no traffic in the way. It won't it won't
go if there's traffic, and I can voice command it,
tell it where I want to go, and it'll go
There'll it'll maintain the lanes, but I have to keep
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my hands on the wheel. I can take my hands
off the wheel for fifteen to thirty second something like that,
and it'll tell me to put my hands back on
the wheel. And if I fail to do that three times,
it'll pull over to the side of the road. Stop
the car and call nine to one one. Really what
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type of money of a BMW No Mercedes?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Oh okay, okay, good for you, Good for you. Well,
I got to tell you you, like anything else, if
you get comfortable with it, I'm sure it's going to
work for you. Sounds like it's a great idea. It
probably is a little bit too mechanically complex or technically
complex for me, because I've got a couple of those
(35:36):
little items where you could you could go sixty five
miles an hour in open roads, but I'm I'd rather
maintain control of the car. But in terms of this
Weimo and again it's the company, it's not a car.
It's called a Weaimo, which is it's very still a
very experimental even in San Francisco.
Speaker 11 (35:56):
Yeah, No, I've seen them. They've come. I live in
rural I live in a rural lower part of Michigan.
And uh Google's been by here with their way mos
and uh they do their mapping. They've got my they've
got my property. I've got three quarters of a mile
on the state highway, and they've mau my driveway and
(36:18):
my whole property up and down and and I'm pretty
sure that's the same spinning thing you're talking about on
the roof.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
That cakes exactly. Yeah. What what city are you near
in southern.
Speaker 11 (36:30):
Michigan, Grailing? I'm I'm east of Grailing.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Give me a city i'll recognize.
Speaker 11 (36:37):
Gaylor about about Bay City?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah it was it Wasn't that the home of the
wrestler Bobo Brazil, I think or something like that.
Speaker 11 (36:47):
If I'm not, I don't know. I'm trying to think
of the ladies. Madonna was from Bay City. And I'm
probably an hour and twenty minutes north northeast, north and
northwest of Bay City. Like I say, I'm in rural,
rural America.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
But yeah, that's great, And thank you for listening to
us out there. I know I've talked to you before,
and I hope you'll continue to call and listen.
Speaker 11 (37:15):
Yeah, I've listened all the time. I called you with
the airplane questions you had when they were scooping water, Yes,
I told you, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, you were absolutely correct. The numbers that that I
had read, I either read them wrong or they were
printed wrong. But I did see those planes. They came in,
they touched down, they picked up, and they just then
lifted off. Yeah, you described it perfectly thanks to you.
Speaker 11 (37:39):
Yeah, I told you about the trains had been around
since World War One world War two. They scoop water
from between the railroad tracks so they don't have to
stop with the water towers.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah. Let me tell you you've been a great caller
every time, so please continue to listen.
Speaker 11 (37:53):
Okay, Well, I love my Mercedes. Like I said, it's
it's not a way mom, but it it does a lot.
It's got cameras all around it, and even the cameras
are on when it's parked. It'll, uh, it'll, it'll text
me when somebody touches the car.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Sounds great, sounds great, Jerry. What are your Mercedes by
the way, bragg.
Speaker 11 (38:14):
On, Oh it's it's the latest model.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
What do you do out there? Are you a farmer?
You said you've got a lot of land.
Speaker 11 (38:22):
Yeah, I'm a farmer. I got I do cattle, but
I do most of most of my money I make
in the stock market. I've been I've been retired for
I retired when I was forty five, and I've I've
been done very well.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You know, Jerry, I'd love to have you become my stockbroker.
Thanks man, I appreciate the call keep in touch. Okay,
thank you, thank you. By I'm gonna go to Warren
and Fall River. Warren, how are you, sir Berry?
Speaker 8 (38:53):
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Dan?
Speaker 8 (38:55):
No way I would trust being in a driving Okay,
especially not in Boston.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah. And by the way, I found out something about
Fall River the other day that you're going to be
interested in. Okay, I was listening to Congressman Auchenclass. He
was with a fellow from the New York Times with
a long conversation. And do you know that Donald Trump
carried the city of fall River in the election of
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twenty twenty four. He won the city of fall River.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
Really, I did not know that. That's a surprise because
we're very liberal.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Well tell that. Here's why it's more of a surprise
he won. According to Congressman Auchen Class, Donald President Trump
won the city of fall River, the first time in
over one hundred years that a Republican presidential candidate carried
the city of fall River.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
Wow that you know that that's kind of shocking because again,
it's it's a very very very liberal city.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, so well whatever, Like it's just it's a democratic city.
It's a blue collar city in many respects. Hey, look,
so you would you would not get into I would not.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
I would not trust it. And my worries is like
that with technology and AI and the technology and the hackers.
Like I remember when these things were first introduced, they
were trying to hack the car and sure enough, you
(40:32):
know you had you had a couple of hackers that
would get control of the car and they would right
it could drive you off a cliffs. So I never
thought of that. But and what about really bad weather?
Speaker 5 (40:47):
What if you're.
Speaker 8 (40:47):
Driving in like a blizzard, or what what about bike lanes?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
You know you leave.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
Boston.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
That's what makes you a great callie. You've raised all questions.
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Hey, I'm up my break. I got you in before
the before the eleven o'clock news. I thank you much
as always.
Speaker 8 (41:08):
Your okay, Okay, thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Thank you and talk to you soon. Okay. To those
are in the line, Glenn and west Roxbury, Martha and
seakak you guys stay there. You'll start us off. On
the other side. I'd like to continue this conversation. We
may get to some open lines in the eleven, but
let's keep going. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six one, seven, nine,
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