March 12, 2025 • 39 mins
We kicked off the program with four news stories and different guests on the stories we think you need to know about!
Mass. Dems look for their Trump-era message - searching for a path forward following their 2024 election losses… Mike Deehan – Axios Boston Reporter checked in with Dan.
NFL Free Agency Moves – What’s next for the Patriots in free agency? Chris Price – Boston Globe Sportswriter stopped by to discuss it with Dan.
50 New England sayings & slang, explained! Some of the unique, quirky slang words you’ll most likely only hear in New England! Stacy Milbouer – writer/journalist for the Granite Post banged a wicked uey to join Dan.
The U.S. is facing a critical hospital bed shortage by 2032, UCLA research suggests! Dr. Richard Leuchter – assistant professor of medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA and the study’s lead investigator discussed it with Dan.
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Mass. Dems look for their Trump-era message - searching for a path forward following their 2024 election losses… Mike Deehan – Axios Boston Reporter checked in with Dan.
NFL Free Agency Moves – What’s next for the Patriots in free agency? Chris Price – Boston Globe Sportswriter stopped by to discuss it with Dan.
50 New England sayings & slang, explained! Some of the unique, quirky slang words you’ll most likely only hear in New England! Stacy Milbouer – writer/journalist for the Granite Post banged a wicked uey to join Dan.
The U.S. is facing a critical hospital bed shortage by 2032, UCLA research suggests! Dr. Richard Leuchter – assistant professor of medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA and the study’s lead investigator discussed it with Dan.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
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Speaker 3 (00:08):
Have no fear, as Nicole says, I am here. My
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He is the producer of this program. And Rob will
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thirty once we start taking calls beginning after nine o'clock.
(00:52):
But in this hour we have four guests coming up,
Gonna deal a little bit with the some of the
free agent signings of the PA with Chris Price of
the Boston Globe, going to talk about New England slang
words here in New England that all of us understand
that would probably confuse most people from other parts of
the country. And we'll also talk about a growing and
(01:14):
a real crisis here hospital bed shortages. But we'll get
to all of that first. Well, if we want to
welcome back Mike Dean. He's an Axios Boston reporter and
he is looking at Massachusetts Democrats. They're pretty good shape
in Massachusetts, but how do they respond to the Trump
(01:36):
era message? And they're kind of searching for a path
forward and with us. Mike is going to join us
and tell us there's some Democrats out there that maybe
have some aspirations beyond Beacon Hill or maybe even beyond Congress. Mike,
welcome back to Night Side.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
How are you hey? Good? How are you doing?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Dan greatly with yout well.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Obviously Governor Healy has got a little dose of the
Potomac fever on this anniversary of the starting of the
COVID crisis. Hope it works out better for her than
the COVID crisis did for us. Generally, they're in appropriate.
The Democrats are fine here. There's no Democrat in Congress
(02:21):
that's going to be beaten as far as I can
see anytime soon. No Democrat in either the House or
the Senate. But there's some little rumblings around here. What
are you seeing from your perch on Beacon Hill.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, And you know, Democrats have a
pre solid grip on Beacon Hill and our congressional delegation.
That's why it's so interesting when our Democratic leaders like
mar Healey and like Congressman Jake Auchincloss kind of go
into national media as they have recently to kind of
make the point of what we should what they should
(02:58):
be doing. You know, what are Democrats what their party
should be doing to get back voters. Now, it should
be said that, you know, the Republicans did a little
bit better in twenty twenty four than they did in
twenty twenty. Donald Trump won, you know, a few percentage
points more in Massachusetts than he had the previous election.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But was right. It was actually hundreds of thousands. I
think it was actually hundreds of thousands of votes.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
The let's say he had one hundred and twenty five
million in twenty four versus one point one seven million
in twenty twenty. So you know that that is a
significant upswing. In the state legislature, it was kind of
a net zero gain. I think the Democrats lost two
seats and one against two more Republican seats, so it
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kind of it was a losh there. But it's interesting.
I think people are looking at, you know, where to
go next and what in Massachusetts it needs to you know,
what a politician for Massachusetts I should say, and say
for the national Party and what heally told the New
York Times. She did a big, proper sit down for
the interview podcast. It was a pretty big deal for
(04:07):
a governor to have a platform like this, and she
was urging her party to deliver for everyday American, saying
that was what was left out of the Harris campaign
that we just last saw. And she said, you know,
to be less distracted by the culture war, but at
the same time not abandoning those cultural issues. Heally said that.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Demon that's good.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
That's going to be a little bit of a tight
rope to walk. That's for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Absolutely is that's where they found.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
The Democrats in Massachusetts. I think of you know, President
Mike Decaccus in nineteen eighty eight. I think of President
John Kerry as recently his two thousand and four President
Paul songis former senator here in Massachusetts. In nineteen ninety two,
President Ted Kennedy uh and of course, most recently the
(05:01):
time in the White House that President Elizabeth warrens Laura, I'm.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Gonna say, and only Warren off that list.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
No, no, no, no, quite a you know, quite a
losing streak here from Democrats in Massachusetts. Got to go
back to a guy named Jack Kennedy to find a
Democrat to come out of Massachusetts and win the White House.
And yeah, certainly fun with friends of mine, my Democratic friends.
And I'm kind of one of those people who kind
(05:29):
of a parks from both your houses in many respects.
I often ask I asked him, my Democrats, would you
say that the most famous phrase that John Kennedy invoked
in his State of the Union address in nineteen sixty
one January twenty, that cold, snowy day was ask not
what your country can do for you, but what you
can do for your country.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
I would say was that from the inauguration it was
that kind of from that was from the Okay, I
wasn't sure if it was from the au speech that
was around the same time. There's so many of these
kids horns, that's right.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So my question is.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
What thorns and speeches that kind of muddle together?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, well, what my question then becomes what democrat in
Massachusetts today would actually quote that speech ask not what
your country can do for you, but what you can
do for your country. I don't know that there's too
many Democrats who are going to be quoting that phrase
from John Right.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah, now, I hear you saying. I think from a
political standpoint, what these Democratic leaders are looking at is, well,
we know that the Massachusetts style of liberal democratic politics
isn't that appealing nationwide. We've seen that, as you just
said multiple times. But it's certainly winning here and it's
(06:51):
certainly winning in New England. Is there anything that can
be extrapolated from that, you know, Mark Healey winning big,
she's going into reelection she very likely will you know,
also win big again. What can she kind of show
the national politicians about how to get votes and how
to win these things. So it is kind of a
(07:12):
weird situation to be in where we're not the state
that is going to speak for the rest of the country. However,
we do have very successful Democratic politicians who are speaking
to you know, real voters, middle class people, about real
issues and getting good results. So it's just kind of
you know, where we're an outlier. But there might be
something in it. And I think that's what politicians like
(07:33):
Auchincloss and Healey are maybe telling themselves about their potential appeal.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, it'll be interesting again as they venture and spend
more time on network programs or they spend more time traveling,
that can kind of snap back too. I mean, so
that the corollary, if you will, is there's a bunch
of Republicans in places like I don't know, Mississippi and
Alabama who do really well and they win comfortably in
(08:02):
those states. But I don't know that they're going to
be the national leaders for the Republican Party either. Uh,
they have they have to find. I think there's a
there's a bunch of Democrats nationally who who they can
look to, and maybe even Democrats that many people don't
know about. Congressman former Congressman Ryan from Ohio. He lost
(08:23):
a Senate seat, lost a Senate fight to JD. Vance,
but he's he's a really smart guy and uh, and
I think a lot of people around the country, Democrats, Republicans,
independence would listen to him before they listen to some
Democrat from Massachusetts. That's yeah, I mean, I don't know,
(08:44):
it's but I'll tell you. For some reason, Uh, Democratic
politicians in Massachusetts are always kind of looking over the horizon.
And I'm not talking about the political horizon. I'm talking
about the geographical horizon. It's great fun, It is great fun.
I did watch the Ezra Kline interview that you referred
(09:05):
to with that Auchincloss had with Ezracline, and he made
a really interesting point in that interview. I'm sure you
remember it. Auchinclass said that Donald Trump won the city
of Fall River in twenty twenty four, first time in
one hundred years that a Republican presidential candidate had carried
(09:26):
the city of Fall River, which is a Democratic stronghold.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Yeah, he's telling it really is. In that interview, Auchincloss
had a lot to say about, you know, working in
middle class voters and what they're looking for in his district,
and you know, beyond. His advice to the National Party
was to not be what he called the Diet Coke
version of Republican populism, to kind of focus on the
(09:53):
economic messages, he says, to get an abundance agenda that's
more supply side rather sorry, I'm on a to increase
on the supply side. Rather than subsidizing demand. And that's
kind of a wonky economic message there, but it's the
kind of thing that, if articulated correctly, could be very
(10:14):
appealing to some, you know, working class, middle class, even
upper class voters. One of the biggest things he said
though in aucin classes definitely among the more moderate of
our Democrats in Congress, he said that the party should
be quote liberal, but not condescending about it. And I
think that's kind of where a lot of voters think
(10:34):
the Democrats have lost their way on a national level.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I think tone is very important. Mike Then of Axio's
Boston Reporter, really enjoyed the conversation. Uh, let's get you
back soon. Thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Yeah, great to be with you.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Absolutely switch and talk about something that we all can
agree upon, and that is the Newickland Patriots. They've signing
some free agents. Chris Price for the Boston Globe will
tell us how critical these signings are. I think they've
spent a lot of money. I think they've made some
great moves. I'm sure Chris knows a lot more about
it than I do. I want to hear what he
has to say. Hope you do as well, my name's
(11:08):
Dan Ray. We are here on night Side for the
balance of the evening, for the balance of the week,
and frankly the balance of the next two or three months,
every night Monday through Friday, from May until midnight. God
willing back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Delighted to be rejoined by Chris Price of The Boston Globe. Chris,
the Patriots had a busy Sunday and Monday. Looks to
me like they've made tremendous strides on sure enough, the defense.
They spent a lot of money. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
They really did. They got some big ticket items too.
They were not they weren't shopping in the you know,
at filings basement. These are guys who really, in a
lot of ways should be transformative pieces for the defensive
side of the ball. Last year we all talked about
how they need some upgrades on offense, particularly offensive tackle
as well as wide receiver. But the way they went
after some of these defensive guys. Cornerback Carlton Davis, defensive
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tackle Milton Williams, linebacker Robert Splaine, it's been a really
impressive stretch as well as I shouldn't I shouldn't forget
about BC's own Harold Landry. So they really did their
due diligence when you're talking about shoring up, you know,
the defensive side of the ball. I really like a
lot of these. There were some overpays there, quite honestly,
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but you know, they had to overpay given their situation.
So I like a lot of the moves. They certainly
set themselves up for success, at least at this stage
of the offseason.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I love the Landry move because obviously, besides being a
BC guy, he played for Vabel at Tennessee with the Titans.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, there are a couple of guys like that who
do have those connections to either Rabel or Josh McDaniels.
Played for Josh McDaniels in Vegas, you know, or played
for Terrell Williams, the d defensive coordinator in Detroit Carled Williams,
you know, comes to New England from the Detroit Lions,
where he was part of a defense that included Williams.
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Splaine played very briefly for Rabel a couple of years ago.
Mac Holland one of the new wide receivers that they signed.
He has a history with offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. They
are together in Las Vegas. So if you want to
look for a common thread here, Dan, but a lot
of these signings, a lot of these guys do have
a history with the current coaching staff in other places.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Well. That way, not only do they know what they
can do on the field, but they know what their
presence is in the locker room, which is important. Now.
My view is that the Patriots defensively were not that
bad last year. That the place that they have to
spend some money is on the offensive side of the ball.
And I want to give me a couple of signings
that you don't want to predict, but might suggest would
(13:50):
be worthy of the Patriots. You know it as well
as anybody, Chris. Whenever I talk to you, I learn
a lot. So who do you think we've should be
looking for?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I appreciate it, and I think a couple of guys
to look for. I think, first of all, they need
a little help on the offensive line. The short really
one left tackle in my regard, they went out and
they got right tackle. Morgan Moses, a guy who's been
around the lake for an awful long time. Very steady,
very sturdy. He played in every single game in his
career in eight of the eleven years in his career.
(14:21):
So this is a guy you can be you can
you feel real good about putting out a right tackle.
They need a left tackle. There's a guy out there
by the name of Cam Robinson. Cam Robinson played for
the new offensive line coach did a connection with him
when they were together in Jacksonville. So you might look
for Cam Robinson to be added as a free agent
the other big name. And he just shook loose tonight.
He was cut loose by the Los Angeles Rams. Veteran
(14:43):
wide receiver Cooper Cup. He's not the same guy that
he was a couple of years ago. You know, this
is not a guy who's going to come here and
catch one hundred and ten passes. But there's still a
little bit of juice left.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
In his game.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And I think that if they can get the money right,
he strikes me the kind of guy who might be
kind of a final piece the puzzle. Like if I
was Cooper Cup, I would be going to like Buffalo.
But if they can get the money right here in
New England. I think he would be a really good
fit for this Patriots offense.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I don't know what his injury situation is, but he's
only thirty one. I happen to pick that up today.
So you know, wide receivers, you know, there are some
guys who who play a little well into their thirties.
Jerry Rice types though. He's a different guy than Jerry Rice.
But he's an explosive wide receiver, and with the Patriots
quarterback situation, he may like to you know, he spent
(15:32):
a lot of time obviously with Matthew Stafford with the Rams,
and you know, Stafford's kind of like a Derek May
in many respects, mole, pretty mobile and has a has
a gun. I'd love to see him here. I think
I think I would session.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I would say this, though, Dan, I do like Cup.
I'm gonna I'm I'm a fan of Cooper Cup. He's
an impressive receiver, has had great success in the league
for an extended period of time. He's you might call
an older thirty one. This is a guy who's had
some injury problems the last couple of years. So again,
I would kind of exercise a little bit of caution there,
(16:10):
you're not getting the Cooper Cup of three, four or
five years ago. That being said, you know he would
still lead the Patriots and catches as currently constituted. There's
also two and we could talk a little bit about
this as it gets closer the draft and they have
the fourth overall pick, and there's some really intriguing possibilities
out there when it comes to augmenting the offensive side
of the ball. The guy that everyone is talking about
(16:31):
in college football Travis Hunter, two way player from Colorado,
Heisman Trophy winner, a guy who caught ninety something passes
this year and oh yeah, by the way, he can
also play cornerbacks. So he's another guy if you're a
Patriots fan, you might want to keep an eye on
him and you can contribute on both sides of the ball.
Elliott Wolf had a great line about him at the
Combine last month. He said, I think this is the
(16:53):
kind of guy who can major in one minor in
the other. So he's a guy that a lot of
people have their eyes on Patriots than should be really interested.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Do you think he'll stick around? Will he be available
at number four? Though? That'll be biking Sorry.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well, really for me, the Giants, who picked third overall
are kind of a wild card. They don't have a quarterback.
But again, Hunter is this absolutely electric performer. They might
want to go Hunter at three, or they might want
to go after one of the quarterbacks at three and
cam Ward or should do or Sanders the son of
Dione Sanders. So the Giants kind of hold all the
(17:28):
cards here. If the Giants end up going quarterback, then
someone like Travis Hunter could be there at number four.
The other guy who Patriot Sam should keep an eye
on what the possibility him fall into four. I don't
think he will, but the possibility of Penn State's Abdual Carter,
an absolute game wrecker of a defensive end. Abdual Carter,
I know we talked about the needs on the offensive
(17:49):
side of the ball. Abdual Carter is the one guy
where you tear up the plant you cross out of
the draft board and you say, if Abdul Carter is there,
we're going to go get him. So the two guys
head and shoulders above the rest of the draft.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Class, I mean, that's the best player approach. By the way,
when you say that Cooper Cups and older thirty one
wouldn't you, and I like to be an older thirty five.
I remember the world that ain't bad football different story.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I remember what it was like a little bit more
spring and my stuff back then.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Me too. Hey, Chris really enjoyed it as always, you
know your stuff. I love talking football with you because
that's one sport that I need to spend more time reading,
reading your columns on because you do a fabulous job.
Chris Price on the Boston Globe. Uh. We're going to
talk with Chris, hopefully a lot between now and I
(18:42):
guess the started training camp and probably even beyond. Chris,
thank you so much for your time tonight.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I appreciate it. Dan take Caarin. We'll definitely talk again soon.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
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(19:13):
Now coming up, we're going to talk about new England slang.
This should be fun. Stacy Milbauer of the Grinned Post
News has picked on about fifty New England sayings, expressions,
slang that will be explained. Most of us know, but
some of our listeners who are outside of New England,
We're going to stun him in the next segment back
right after this on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It's Night Side Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
All right, all of us know that in different parts
of the country this words slang, your clean words, not
bad words, and that are endemic to that particular region
of the world. Here in New England, We're no exception
with us, is Stacey Milbauer. She writes for the Granite
(20:04):
Post News, which is a digital site. Welcome, Stacy, how
are you tonight?
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I'm good, Dan, how are you great?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
So you got some unique, quirky slang words that are
pretty endemic to New England. You got fifty of them.
This must have been a fun assignment. Maybe you came
up with this idea of yourself, which was it.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
I did not come up with the idea of myself,
but it was a fun assignment. I could have done
fifty more. I found so many because I had the
whole region, not just New Hampshire.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Yeah. I love the picture of the sign that says
frost heaves. Can you imagine being up here from Mississippi, Alabama?
The hell of frost leaves frosts? Yeah? Seriously, I almost
used the word flat lander earlier this evening. I didn't
(20:56):
realize that was one of the words you got. Let's
go over some of the ones that you found to
be most fun. Let's hit a few of them. Tell
us the word, and then let people think for a
second or so, and you can explain what it actually
means for those who you know who might not know
a word here here or there.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
You want me to pick a word, I'd love.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
You to tell me the favorites you've You've studied it.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
One of my favorites is spucky. So I did it spucky?
That yet?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Spucky?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
How do you spell that's? That's like a submarine sandwich
right exactly south. I've been around not every that was
a tough one. You hit me with a tough one,
come on.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
And it comes from the Italian word buckadella, which means
a long roll.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah. I had a spucky for dinner tonight. I had
a turkey spucky. I had some nice turkey and put
it in one of those roles I love the one
that I love. Uh And look, I'm not only uh
New Englander, but I'm Irish and I love packy or packy.
(22:15):
Most people are get down of that packy and get
bring back something for your father. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Well, so I have to explain that I'm actually urgently
from New York, but my husband is from Boston and
he's got the real like pokik accents. He was my
he was my advisor on this and he's the one
who came up with spucky, which I had never heard before.
But yeah, give me enough.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Give me you got spucky or a grinder. That's a
good one. Okay, give me a couple of one. That.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
So the other one that surprised me is cool?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Have you No? I don't know, and I can read
it and fake it, but I'm not. I'm going to
let you do it because I saw it and I thought,
what the heck does that mean? That's not cool? That's
ghool like g O R.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Yeah, yet not like a ghost. Yeah. So that is
a term. Again, never heard of it before, but it
is the place that when you're playing a game like
tag or Olliel Talks and free that's your safe place,
so you can say, like you know, you can't tag
me out. I'm in a wicked ghoul.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
That's one thing. You can't just stumped me on that.
You stumped me on that. But I mean the others
obviously dunks. Everybody knows dunks. I love the down East,
which of course is the Mid Coast, as you said,
the mid coast of Main and Jimmy's people you say
you want Jimmy's or anywhere else in the country, what
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are they? What are you talking about? A little sprinkles
on the ice cream call and that's all I want.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Well, you know it's interesting. When I was researching Jimmy's,
I didn't know there was So there's a distinction in
some places in New Way, England that a Jimmy is
the chocolate sprinkles and a sprinkle is the colored sprinkles.
I never heard.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, chocolate chocolate sprinkles are what I want.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Who doesn't all.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Those other colors? I don't need the rainbow. I all
I want is the Jimmy because it's chocolate, and of
course the classic is frap.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Yeah. Yeah, So this is a pat paper of mind.
So and I wrote in my article, like, god forbid,
you should call it a frat pey. I mean, that's
just why you pretend, just for New England. So yeah,
So in New York run from a milkshake is what
you would call a frap. Here, it's thick, is made
(24:48):
with ice cream, And here a milkshake is just like
chocolate milk that you shake up. But a frap is
the ice cream and the milk and the er Well,
I think you know.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I'm going to disagree with you a second. I'm gonna
have a little disagreement if I throw some Hershey syrup
in in my milk here, I don't think that's a frap.
I think, okay, well, I think it's a chocolate milk.
But if I if I have a blender, which of
course I never because I get I'm afraid of things electronic,
(25:27):
a couple of scoops of ice cream in there with
some milk and chocolate, Now.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
That's a frap, right, Only it's only a milkshake if
your chocolate milk is shaken.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, but you gotta have ice cream to make it
a frap, don't you?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
You do?
Speaker 6 (25:47):
You do?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
You have?
Speaker 6 (25:51):
And then and it's even more confusing because in Rhode
Island they have cabinets, which is kind of like the
same thing. They call them cabin yeah, and they think
that that comes from the place where they kept the
blender within the cabinet.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Got it, got it, got got it? Yeah. I love
some of the other phrases here, just a few of them,
for examp for you know, for wicked. Everybody knows wicked
your friend is legless, you know, I mean, I think
of the guy's accent and the Sam Adams commercials. Love
that d D. We know what that means, a little
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small little thing. And of course, if we're talking about
the Massachusetts State Police to the states everybody, that's a
good one. And I love this one. Banging a yuie,
banging a yuie.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
You gotta bang a yuie, You gotta bang a yuwie.
I'm getting out.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I'm getting out of this traffic. This traffic's horrible. I'm
banging a yuie. I'm not I have no idea where
I'm going, but I'm getting off the.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Road and you're banging that yuie. Yeah, yeah, bang.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
The you.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
My pet peeve. This is the one that causes the
most arguments of my house is the so don't die,
which is dramatically ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I mean I missed that one. Wait, hold on, wait second,
I missed the one. What is that again?
Speaker 6 (27:19):
So don't I?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh, so don't? I? Oh sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
So I said, like I'm going to you know, let's see,
do you want an orange?
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
No, so don't die? It means so do I. I
don't understand it, but it's it's something that people say
here in southern New Hampshire, and I think in parts
of Massachusetts are so didn't he? And when my husband
says it, I'm like, I don't understand what that means.
So did not he? To me, it's impossible, but but
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it actually comes from Maine in the nineteen sixties as
a way for rebellious teenagers to get back at their
parents when they said so do I.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Oh okay. Well, it's always good when you when you
understand where something comes from. But again, some prom arion
is not going to understand it. Hey, but there's a
lot of phrases in Shakespeare I don't understand either. So
it's just true.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
It's what they were it's what they were writing at
the time at Strafford or Avelon. It's what we're saying
at the time here in New England.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Stacy.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I love the article. Folks can find that. Granted Post
is just granted postnews dot com. I think is the
is the the website.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
You get online. There's a website. It's on Facebook, you know,
some x and everywhere, so you can find it in
any place. Instagram.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, I love the cow Hampshire everybody. Everybody knows where
cow Hampshire is, uh, And there's yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah,
that's one that's around and you know something that sometimes
uh sometimes it works, particularly when you're behind the wheel
the car and some guys cut you off. If you
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know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
That's that's always what it's used. I don't think I've
ever heard it used outside of a you know, raging
driver saying it's always in the car.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Oh some of us, some of us use that term
more broadly, to be really honest with you, And I've
one of them who have used that term a little
more broadly, and it has.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Entered it's entered the Oxford English Dictionary, so it's now
a real word.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Well it's not only real word, but it has the
respect that I think it's in there.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
It's in there what.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I do and I'm told, and this is this is
just me sometimes when I'm in a set of circumstances,
like in a store where somebody's blocking the aisle with
their carriage at an angle so no one can get by.
When they finally wake out of that slumber and they
realize they're blocking the aisle, I'd like to use that word,
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but it's much better in a car when you're pointing
your finger to the guy. So here's what I do.
I go by the person after they've kind of woken
from their slumber, and I just say soto voci, very
very softly oblivious. The person doesn't hear the word, but
I plant it in their brain. And so for me,
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that's a synonym that I use in grocery stores for
the phrase that most of us would use while driving
on the car and being cut off by some guy
from Massachusetts.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
That is a very handy hint.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
We'll all take that, beg Stacy, We'll talk again. Okay,
I really enjoyed. Let's do it again.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Okay, bye bye.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Stacy Milbar of the Granite Post News granted Postnews dot com.
We get back. I'm going to talk about a more
serious subject, and that is a growing shortage of hospital beds.
And if you're anywhere over the age of forty, you
want to pay attention back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the Window World
Nightside Studios on w b Z News Radio.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Okay, we are going to change to a most serious
topic and with us is doctor Richard Lucter. He's an
assistant Professor of Medicine at the David Geffen School of
Medicine and UCLA and the studies lead investigator. I guess
we're facing first of all, elector welcome to Nightside. How
(31:33):
are you, sir?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I'm doing well. Thanks so much for having me here.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
And is it I want to is it Lucter or
what is the correct pronunciation of your last name?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Yeah, that's actually that's actually perfect. You've done what many
people cannot do, which is you got to write the
first time.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I did Luketer. Okay, thank you. So there's a critical
hospital bed shortage that will I guess material in twenty
thirty two. I assume that has something to do with
my generation, the baby boomers. I hate, I hate to
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be so upfront about it, but it's it's been that
figured it out to the year at twenty thirty two.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Yeah, yeah, you know, that's that's that's an estimate. And
I think the baby boomers, you know, not the point
fingers out, but I think that that's part of it.
But really there's two components to it. The first is
that if you look at the trend of national hospital
occupancy over the last ten years or so, you know,
really starting for the most part of the two thousands,
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we were hovering right around sixty four percent national hospital occupancy.
Nothing changed during the pandemic, where now in this post
pandemic period we are now at a steady state of
seventy five percent. So we were at sixty four percent,
now we're at seventy five percent. A hospital bed shortage
is generally thought to occur, so you can see we
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kind of jumped up to get halfway there. So that
was kind of the first part of the finding. The
second part is we did some forward looking modeling to say, well,
what is it going to take to get us there
to that eighty five percent, and that's where the you know,
the aging population comes in.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
That's where we project that just.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
By an aging population alone. If we do nothing else
that increased demand for hospital that would put us to
that eighty five percent by twenty thirty two.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I know that here in New England, and we have
some great hospitals here as you do in Los Angeles,
but I know that here in New England they are
moving people out of hospitals very quickly. The idea of
having surgery and staying a couple of days to get
yourself back in your feet, that's not happening in New England.
(33:47):
It's it's kind of pumper out. Yeah. I don't know
if that's happened in la as well.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, yeah, No, I think that is kind of a
national trend that we're seeing, and a lot of that
is actually driven by data showing that's actually better for
for patients. That's you know, better care because I think
you know, you get people out of the hospital sooner
a they become more mobile, right, and it's better to
be up and about in your own home rather than
sitting in a bed for twenty three hours a day.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
We know mobility promotes healing. We didn't used to, you know,
leave that as much. We also know that, you know,
hospitals can While they're great for, you know, certain life
saving things, they can also be dangerous places. There's a
receense that he actually.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Out of yeah, five years, five years ago this month
we found that out.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
That's exactly right, and that was just one of many examples.
There's actually a study by David Bates that came out
of Harvard and New England Journal just a couple of
years ago that showed up to a quarter of hospitalizations
have an adverse event occurred during them, and over twenty
percent of those adverse events are actually preventable.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
These are things like hospital acquired infections, delirium, medication errors,
things like that, and those are what we're really scared about.
If a hospital bed shortage were to occur, for reached
eighty five percent, those are likely to get worse, you know,
because when hospitals are overcrowded, staff gets stretched thin, errors
start to happen, miss medications, misdiagnoses, all things like that.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah, I've known stories about people, including a family member
who had a pretty bad fracture, ended up spending the
better part of a night in a some sort of
mobile bed, literally in a hallway because yeah, no rooms available.
(35:34):
My question is is this problem which we know exists
here in say Boston and Los Angeles, is it as
acute in other parts of the country, let's say, places
like Nebraska and Kansas, South Dakota, or is this something
that is pervasive throughout the country.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
That's a very good question. And you know, the data
from our study wasn't quite that granular where we could
look at you know, metropolitan areas and rural versus know,
urban and things like that. But I think from other
data that's been published, we do find that this is
generally true at large academic centers, especially in urban areas,
and even non academic centers in urban areas where this
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phenomenon of people you know, boarding or effectively, you know,
queuing up for a bed upstairs and the ed in
this obscure hallway is increasingly common. What happens at some
of the more rural centers is what it certainly can happen.
We're also seeing a lot of staffing shortages. We're seeing
it harder to actually open beds in some of these
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rural centers, so you get this phenomenon of what's called
dormant beds, where you know, whole wards basically the beds
are there, they're just not the personnel, the physicians, the
ancillary staff, the nurses to be able to actually open
those beds to patients. So then you actually can kind
of get spill over to the nearest academic center, the
nearest urban center. So it's kind of this vicious cycle
(36:58):
where it affects and urban centers in different ways, but
it negatively impacts all.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Of them, you know. Doctor With every medical professional who
I talk to, and I talked to a lot over
the course of a month, probably at least eight or
nine in these sort of relative and short interviews, I
try to raise the issue of why is it That
I'll leave the question hanging, but I want you to
know it's something that this talk show host and longtime
(37:23):
journalist in Boston is very concerned about. Why is it
that we have a doctor shortage in this country that
so many qualified young people who are graduating from great colleges,
great colleges are having to go offshore to complete their
medical education medical to get their medical degrees, whether it's
in the Caribbean or other very good teaching institutions. What
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has happened to this country that as we have grown
over grown, older everybody could have seen this coming that
we didn't prepare better for it. We have a PCP
shortage here in New England, which is incredible. I know
doctors who retire who can't get a PCP in New England.
So I don't know what's going on in LA, but
this is something that I want to ring the belt
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and the alarm on every nime, every time I talk
to someone like yourself who's a thought leader in your community.
So I just leave it there. I'm not looking for
you to join the crusade. We got to people into
the medical field, period.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
No, that's that's absolutely true. And I think also kind
of jumping off of that, we have to get more people.
You just mentioned primary care that you're just here, and
I think, you know, even when we we do increase
the pipeline of physicians, there's such an incentive now to
go into these highly highly lucrative subspecialists and some of
these other positions, and less so less incentives to actually
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go into primary care, which which we need more of.
We also need more you know, nurses and speaking of
you know, pipelines there, you know, there's been a lot
of I think a lot of like a catastrophic decisions
in terms of health policy, like the US State Department,
for example, last June froze all visas for foreign trained nurses.
We already I think that the nursing shortage is actually
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more profound than the physician staffing shortage. And it blows
my mind that these types of policies and legislation are
enacted when we need desper me more nurses.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I got to get you on some night and we
do an hour and we talk to callers, but I'm
flat out of time. We got the nine o'clock news here.
I know it's a three hour difference, so I could
talk to you for three more else, but we got
to let you go. Doctor.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Well that's great.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
I'll come back anytime.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Lucer, thank you very much, Thank you very much. With UCLA.
Thanks again. Doctor can give me back. Right after the
nine o'clock news, we're going to talk about long COVID.
It's the real thing, folks, Long COVID
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
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But in this hour we have four guests coming up,
Gonna deal a little bit with the some of the
free agent signings of the PA with Chris Price of
the Boston Globe, going to talk about New England slang
words here in New England that all of us understand
that would probably confuse most people from other parts of
the country. And we'll also talk about a growing and
(01:14):
a real crisis here hospital bed shortages. But we'll get
to all of that first. Well, if we want to
welcome back Mike Dean. He's an Axios Boston reporter and
he is looking at Massachusetts Democrats. They're pretty good shape
in Massachusetts, but how do they respond to the Trump
(01:36):
era message? And they're kind of searching for a path
forward and with us. Mike is going to join us
and tell us there's some Democrats out there that maybe
have some aspirations beyond Beacon Hill or maybe even beyond Congress. Mike,
welcome back to Night Side.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
How are you hey? Good? How are you doing?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Dan greatly with yout well.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Obviously Governor Healy has got a little dose of the
Potomac fever on this anniversary of the starting of the
COVID crisis. Hope it works out better for her than
the COVID crisis did for us. Generally, they're in appropriate.
The Democrats are fine here. There's no Democrat in Congress
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that's going to be beaten as far as I can
see anytime soon. No Democrat in either the House or
the Senate. But there's some little rumblings around here. What
are you seeing from your perch on Beacon Hill.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, And you know, Democrats have a
pre solid grip on Beacon Hill and our congressional delegation.
That's why it's so interesting when our Democratic leaders like
mar Healey and like Congressman Jake Auchincloss kind of go
into national media as they have recently to kind of
make the point of what we should what they should
(02:58):
be doing. You know, what are Democrats what their party
should be doing to get back voters. Now, it should
be said that, you know, the Republicans did a little
bit better in twenty twenty four than they did in
twenty twenty. Donald Trump won, you know, a few percentage
points more in Massachusetts than he had the previous election.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But was right. It was actually hundreds of thousands. I
think it was actually hundreds of thousands of votes.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
The let's say he had one hundred and twenty five
million in twenty four versus one point one seven million
in twenty twenty. So you know that that is a
significant upswing. In the state legislature, it was kind of
a net zero gain. I think the Democrats lost two
seats and one against two more Republican seats, so it
(03:45):
kind of it was a losh there. But it's interesting.
I think people are looking at, you know, where to
go next and what in Massachusetts it needs to you know,
what a politician for Massachusetts I should say, and say
for the national Party and what heally told the New
York Times. She did a big, proper sit down for
the interview podcast. It was a pretty big deal for
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a governor to have a platform like this, and she
was urging her party to deliver for everyday American, saying
that was what was left out of the Harris campaign
that we just last saw. And she said, you know,
to be less distracted by the culture war, but at
the same time not abandoning those cultural issues. Heally said that.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Demon that's good.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
That's going to be a little bit of a tight
rope to walk. That's for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Absolutely is that's where they found.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
The Democrats in Massachusetts. I think of you know, President
Mike Decaccus in nineteen eighty eight. I think of President
John Kerry as recently his two thousand and four President
Paul songis former senator here in Massachusetts. In nineteen ninety two,
President Ted Kennedy uh and of course, most recently the
(05:01):
time in the White House that President Elizabeth warrens Laura, I'm.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Gonna say, and only Warren off that list.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
No, no, no, no, quite a you know, quite a
losing streak here from Democrats in Massachusetts. Got to go
back to a guy named Jack Kennedy to find a
Democrat to come out of Massachusetts and win the White House.
And yeah, certainly fun with friends of mine, my Democratic friends.
And I'm kind of one of those people who kind
(05:29):
of a parks from both your houses in many respects.
I often ask I asked him, my Democrats, would you
say that the most famous phrase that John Kennedy invoked
in his State of the Union address in nineteen sixty
one January twenty, that cold, snowy day was ask not
what your country can do for you, but what you
can do for your country.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
I would say was that from the inauguration it was
that kind of from that was from the Okay, I
wasn't sure if it was from the au speech that
was around the same time. There's so many of these
kids horns, that's right.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So my question is.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
What thorns and speeches that kind of muddle together?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, well, what my question then becomes what democrat in
Massachusetts today would actually quote that speech ask not what
your country can do for you, but what you can
do for your country. I don't know that there's too
many Democrats who are going to be quoting that phrase
from John Right.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah, now, I hear you saying. I think from a
political standpoint, what these Democratic leaders are looking at is, well,
we know that the Massachusetts style of liberal democratic politics
isn't that appealing nationwide. We've seen that, as you just
said multiple times. But it's certainly winning here and it's
(06:51):
certainly winning in New England. Is there anything that can
be extrapolated from that, you know, Mark Healey winning big,
she's going into reelection she very likely will you know,
also win big again. What can she kind of show
the national politicians about how to get votes and how
to win these things. So it is kind of a
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weird situation to be in where we're not the state
that is going to speak for the rest of the country. However,
we do have very successful Democratic politicians who are speaking
to you know, real voters, middle class people, about real
issues and getting good results. So it's just kind of
you know, where we're an outlier. But there might be
something in it. And I think that's what politicians like
(07:33):
Auchincloss and Healey are maybe telling themselves about their potential appeal.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, it'll be interesting again as they venture and spend
more time on network programs or they spend more time traveling,
that can kind of snap back too. I mean, so
that the corollary, if you will, is there's a bunch
of Republicans in places like I don't know, Mississippi and
Alabama who do really well and they win comfortably in
(08:02):
those states. But I don't know that they're going to
be the national leaders for the Republican Party either. Uh,
they have they have to find. I think there's a
there's a bunch of Democrats nationally who who they can
look to, and maybe even Democrats that many people don't
know about. Congressman former Congressman Ryan from Ohio. He lost
(08:23):
a Senate seat, lost a Senate fight to JD. Vance,
but he's he's a really smart guy and uh, and
I think a lot of people around the country, Democrats, Republicans,
independence would listen to him before they listen to some
Democrat from Massachusetts. That's yeah, I mean, I don't know,
(08:44):
it's but I'll tell you. For some reason, Uh, Democratic
politicians in Massachusetts are always kind of looking over the horizon.
And I'm not talking about the political horizon. I'm talking
about the geographical horizon. It's great fun, It is great fun.
I did watch the Ezra Kline interview that you referred
(09:05):
to with that Auchincloss had with Ezracline, and he made
a really interesting point in that interview. I'm sure you
remember it. Auchinclass said that Donald Trump won the city
of Fall River in twenty twenty four, first time in
one hundred years that a Republican presidential candidate had carried
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the city of Fall River, which is a Democratic stronghold.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Yeah, he's telling it really is. In that interview, Auchincloss
had a lot to say about, you know, working in
middle class voters and what they're looking for in his district,
and you know, beyond. His advice to the National Party
was to not be what he called the Diet Coke
version of Republican populism, to kind of focus on the
(09:53):
economic messages, he says, to get an abundance agenda that's
more supply side rather sorry, I'm on a to increase
on the supply side. Rather than subsidizing demand. And that's
kind of a wonky economic message there, but it's the
kind of thing that, if articulated correctly, could be very
(10:14):
appealing to some, you know, working class, middle class, even
upper class voters. One of the biggest things he said
though in aucin classes definitely among the more moderate of
our Democrats in Congress, he said that the party should
be quote liberal, but not condescending about it. And I
think that's kind of where a lot of voters think
(10:34):
the Democrats have lost their way on a national level.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I think tone is very important. Mike Then of Axio's
Boston Reporter, really enjoyed the conversation. Uh, let's get you
back soon. Thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Yeah, great to be with you.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Absolutely switch and talk about something that we all can
agree upon, and that is the Newickland Patriots. They've signing
some free agents. Chris Price for the Boston Globe will
tell us how critical these signings are. I think they've
spent a lot of money. I think they've made some
great moves. I'm sure Chris knows a lot more about
it than I do. I want to hear what he
has to say. Hope you do as well, my name's
(11:08):
Dan Ray. We are here on night Side for the
balance of the evening, for the balance of the week,
and frankly the balance of the next two or three months,
every night Monday through Friday, from May until midnight. God
willing back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Delighted to be rejoined by Chris Price of The Boston Globe. Chris,
the Patriots had a busy Sunday and Monday. Looks to
me like they've made tremendous strides on sure enough, the defense.
They spent a lot of money. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
They really did. They got some big ticket items too.
They were not they weren't shopping in the you know,
at filings basement. These are guys who really, in a
lot of ways should be transformative pieces for the defensive
side of the ball. Last year we all talked about
how they need some upgrades on offense, particularly offensive tackle
as well as wide receiver. But the way they went
after some of these defensive guys. Cornerback Carlton Davis, defensive
(12:09):
tackle Milton Williams, linebacker Robert Splaine, it's been a really
impressive stretch as well as I shouldn't I shouldn't forget
about BC's own Harold Landry. So they really did their
due diligence when you're talking about shoring up, you know,
the defensive side of the ball. I really like a
lot of these. There were some overpays there, quite honestly,
(12:30):
but you know, they had to overpay given their situation.
So I like a lot of the moves. They certainly
set themselves up for success, at least at this stage
of the offseason.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I love the Landry move because obviously, besides being a
BC guy, he played for Vabel at Tennessee with the Titans.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, there are a couple of guys like that who
do have those connections to either Rabel or Josh McDaniels.
Played for Josh McDaniels in Vegas, you know, or played
for Terrell Williams, the d defensive coordinator in Detroit Carled Williams,
you know, comes to New England from the Detroit Lions,
where he was part of a defense that included Williams.
(13:08):
Splaine played very briefly for Rabel a couple of years ago.
Mac Holland one of the new wide receivers that they signed.
He has a history with offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. They
are together in Las Vegas. So if you want to
look for a common thread here, Dan, but a lot
of these signings, a lot of these guys do have
a history with the current coaching staff in other places.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Well. That way, not only do they know what they
can do on the field, but they know what their
presence is in the locker room, which is important. Now.
My view is that the Patriots defensively were not that
bad last year. That the place that they have to
spend some money is on the offensive side of the ball.
And I want to give me a couple of signings
that you don't want to predict, but might suggest would
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be worthy of the Patriots. You know it as well
as anybody, Chris. Whenever I talk to you, I learn
a lot. So who do you think we've should be
looking for?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I appreciate it, and I think a couple of guys
to look for. I think, first of all, they need
a little help on the offensive line. The short really
one left tackle in my regard, they went out and
they got right tackle. Morgan Moses, a guy who's been
around the lake for an awful long time. Very steady,
very sturdy. He played in every single game in his
career in eight of the eleven years in his career.
(14:21):
So this is a guy you can be you can
you feel real good about putting out a right tackle.
They need a left tackle. There's a guy out there
by the name of Cam Robinson. Cam Robinson played for
the new offensive line coach did a connection with him
when they were together in Jacksonville. So you might look
for Cam Robinson to be added as a free agent
the other big name. And he just shook loose tonight.
He was cut loose by the Los Angeles Rams. Veteran
(14:43):
wide receiver Cooper Cup. He's not the same guy that
he was a couple of years ago. You know, this
is not a guy who's going to come here and
catch one hundred and ten passes. But there's still a
little bit of juice left.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
In his game.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And I think that if they can get the money right,
he strikes me the kind of guy who might be
kind of a final piece the puzzle. Like if I
was Cooper Cup, I would be going to like Buffalo.
But if they can get the money right here in
New England. I think he would be a really good
fit for this Patriots offense.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I don't know what his injury situation is, but he's
only thirty one. I happen to pick that up today.
So you know, wide receivers, you know, there are some
guys who who play a little well into their thirties.
Jerry Rice types though. He's a different guy than Jerry Rice.
But he's an explosive wide receiver, and with the Patriots
quarterback situation, he may like to you know, he spent
(15:32):
a lot of time obviously with Matthew Stafford with the Rams,
and you know, Stafford's kind of like a Derek May
in many respects, mole, pretty mobile and has a has
a gun. I'd love to see him here. I think
I think I would session.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I would say this, though, Dan, I do like Cup.
I'm gonna I'm I'm a fan of Cooper Cup. He's
an impressive receiver, has had great success in the league
for an extended period of time. He's you might call
an older thirty one. This is a guy who's had
some injury problems the last couple of years. So again,
I would kind of exercise a little bit of caution there,
(16:10):
you're not getting the Cooper Cup of three, four or
five years ago. That being said, you know he would
still lead the Patriots and catches as currently constituted. There's
also two and we could talk a little bit about
this as it gets closer the draft and they have
the fourth overall pick, and there's some really intriguing possibilities
out there when it comes to augmenting the offensive side
of the ball. The guy that everyone is talking about
(16:31):
in college football Travis Hunter, two way player from Colorado,
Heisman Trophy winner, a guy who caught ninety something passes
this year and oh yeah, by the way, he can
also play cornerbacks. So he's another guy if you're a
Patriots fan, you might want to keep an eye on
him and you can contribute on both sides of the ball.
Elliott Wolf had a great line about him at the
Combine last month. He said, I think this is the
(16:53):
kind of guy who can major in one minor in
the other. So he's a guy that a lot of
people have their eyes on Patriots than should be really interested.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Do you think he'll stick around? Will he be available
at number four? Though? That'll be biking Sorry.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well, really for me, the Giants, who picked third overall
are kind of a wild card. They don't have a quarterback.
But again, Hunter is this absolutely electric performer. They might
want to go Hunter at three, or they might want
to go after one of the quarterbacks at three and
cam Ward or should do or Sanders the son of
Dione Sanders. So the Giants kind of hold all the
(17:28):
cards here. If the Giants end up going quarterback, then
someone like Travis Hunter could be there at number four.
The other guy who Patriot Sam should keep an eye
on what the possibility him fall into four. I don't
think he will, but the possibility of Penn State's Abdual Carter,
an absolute game wrecker of a defensive end. Abdual Carter,
I know we talked about the needs on the offensive
(17:49):
side of the ball. Abdual Carter is the one guy
where you tear up the plant you cross out of
the draft board and you say, if Abdul Carter is there,
we're going to go get him. So the two guys
head and shoulders above the rest of the draft.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Class, I mean, that's the best player approach. By the way,
when you say that Cooper Cups and older thirty one
wouldn't you, and I like to be an older thirty five.
I remember the world that ain't bad football different story.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
I remember what it was like a little bit more
spring and my stuff back then.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Me too. Hey, Chris really enjoyed it as always, you
know your stuff. I love talking football with you because
that's one sport that I need to spend more time reading,
reading your columns on because you do a fabulous job.
Chris Price on the Boston Globe. Uh. We're going to
talk with Chris, hopefully a lot between now and I
(18:42):
guess the started training camp and probably even beyond. Chris,
thank you so much for your time tonight.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I appreciate it. Dan take Caarin. We'll definitely talk again soon.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
You bet you, you bet you. Okay, We've got the
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Now coming up, we're going to talk about new England slang.
This should be fun. Stacy Milbauer of the Grinned Post
News has picked on about fifty New England sayings, expressions,
slang that will be explained. Most of us know, but
some of our listeners who are outside of New England,
We're going to stun him in the next segment back
right after this on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It's Night Side Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
All right, all of us know that in different parts
of the country this words slang, your clean words, not
bad words, and that are endemic to that particular region
of the world. Here in New England, We're no exception
with us, is Stacey Milbauer. She writes for the Granite
(20:04):
Post News, which is a digital site. Welcome, Stacy, how
are you tonight?
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I'm good, Dan, how are you great?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
So you got some unique, quirky slang words that are
pretty endemic to New England. You got fifty of them.
This must have been a fun assignment. Maybe you came
up with this idea of yourself, which was it.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
I did not come up with the idea of myself,
but it was a fun assignment. I could have done
fifty more. I found so many because I had the
whole region, not just New Hampshire.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Yeah. I love the picture of the sign that says
frost heaves. Can you imagine being up here from Mississippi, Alabama?
The hell of frost leaves frosts? Yeah? Seriously, I almost
used the word flat lander earlier this evening. I didn't
(20:56):
realize that was one of the words you got. Let's
go over some of the ones that you found to
be most fun. Let's hit a few of them. Tell
us the word, and then let people think for a
second or so, and you can explain what it actually
means for those who you know who might not know
a word here here or there.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
You want me to pick a word, I'd love.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
You to tell me the favorites you've You've studied it.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
One of my favorites is spucky. So I did it spucky?
That yet?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Spucky?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
How do you spell that's? That's like a submarine sandwich
right exactly south. I've been around not every that was
a tough one. You hit me with a tough one,
come on.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
And it comes from the Italian word buckadella, which means
a long roll.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah. I had a spucky for dinner tonight. I had
a turkey spucky. I had some nice turkey and put
it in one of those roles I love the one
that I love. Uh And look, I'm not only uh
New Englander, but I'm Irish and I love packy or packy.
(22:15):
Most people are get down of that packy and get
bring back something for your father. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Well, so I have to explain that I'm actually urgently
from New York, but my husband is from Boston and
he's got the real like pokik accents. He was my
he was my advisor on this and he's the one
who came up with spucky, which I had never heard before.
But yeah, give me enough.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Give me you got spucky or a grinder. That's a
good one. Okay, give me a couple of one. That.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
So the other one that surprised me is cool?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Have you No? I don't know, and I can read
it and fake it, but I'm not. I'm going to
let you do it because I saw it and I thought,
what the heck does that mean? That's not cool? That's
ghool like g O R.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Yeah, yet not like a ghost. Yeah. So that is
a term. Again, never heard of it before, but it
is the place that when you're playing a game like
tag or Olliel Talks and free that's your safe place,
so you can say, like you know, you can't tag
me out. I'm in a wicked ghoul.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
That's one thing. You can't just stumped me on that.
You stumped me on that. But I mean the others
obviously dunks. Everybody knows dunks. I love the down East,
which of course is the Mid Coast, as you said,
the mid coast of Main and Jimmy's people you say
you want Jimmy's or anywhere else in the country, what
(23:49):
are they? What are you talking about? A little sprinkles
on the ice cream call and that's all I want.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Well, you know it's interesting. When I was researching Jimmy's,
I didn't know there was So there's a distinction in
some places in New Way, England that a Jimmy is
the chocolate sprinkles and a sprinkle is the colored sprinkles.
I never heard.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Yeah, chocolate chocolate sprinkles are what I want.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Who doesn't all.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Those other colors? I don't need the rainbow. I all
I want is the Jimmy because it's chocolate, and of
course the classic is frap.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Yeah. Yeah, So this is a pat paper of mind.
So and I wrote in my article, like, god forbid,
you should call it a frat pey. I mean, that's
just why you pretend, just for New England. So yeah,
So in New York run from a milkshake is what
you would call a frap. Here, it's thick, is made
(24:48):
with ice cream, And here a milkshake is just like
chocolate milk that you shake up. But a frap is
the ice cream and the milk and the er Well,
I think you know.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I'm going to disagree with you a second. I'm gonna
have a little disagreement if I throw some Hershey syrup
in in my milk here, I don't think that's a frap.
I think, okay, well, I think it's a chocolate milk.
But if I if I have a blender, which of
course I never because I get I'm afraid of things electronic,
(25:27):
a couple of scoops of ice cream in there with
some milk and chocolate, Now.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
That's a frap, right, Only it's only a milkshake if
your chocolate milk is shaken.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, but you gotta have ice cream to make it
a frap, don't you?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
You do?
Speaker 6 (25:47):
You do?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
You have?
Speaker 6 (25:51):
And then and it's even more confusing because in Rhode
Island they have cabinets, which is kind of like the
same thing. They call them cabin yeah, and they think
that that comes from the place where they kept the
blender within the cabinet.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Got it, got it, got got it? Yeah. I love
some of the other phrases here, just a few of them,
for examp for you know, for wicked. Everybody knows wicked
your friend is legless, you know, I mean, I think
of the guy's accent and the Sam Adams commercials. Love
that d D. We know what that means, a little
(26:30):
small little thing. And of course, if we're talking about
the Massachusetts State Police to the states everybody, that's a
good one. And I love this one. Banging a yuie,
banging a yuie.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
You gotta bang a yuie, You gotta bang a yuwie.
I'm getting out.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I'm getting out of this traffic. This traffic's horrible. I'm
banging a yuie. I'm not I have no idea where
I'm going, but I'm getting off the.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Road and you're banging that yuie. Yeah, yeah, bang.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
The you.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
My pet peeve. This is the one that causes the
most arguments of my house is the so don't die,
which is dramatically ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I mean I missed that one. Wait, hold on, wait second,
I missed the one. What is that again?
Speaker 6 (27:19):
So don't I?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh, so don't? I? Oh sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
So I said, like I'm going to you know, let's see,
do you want an orange?
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:30):
No, so don't die? It means so do I. I
don't understand it, but it's it's something that people say
here in southern New Hampshire, and I think in parts
of Massachusetts are so didn't he? And when my husband
says it, I'm like, I don't understand what that means.
So did not he? To me, it's impossible, but but
(27:51):
it actually comes from Maine in the nineteen sixties as
a way for rebellious teenagers to get back at their
parents when they said so do I.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Oh okay. Well, it's always good when you when you
understand where something comes from. But again, some prom arion
is not going to understand it. Hey, but there's a
lot of phrases in Shakespeare I don't understand either. So
it's just true.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
It's what they were it's what they were writing at
the time at Strafford or Avelon. It's what we're saying
at the time here in New England.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
Stacy.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I love the article. Folks can find that. Granted Post
is just granted postnews dot com. I think is the
is the the website.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
You get online. There's a website. It's on Facebook, you know,
some x and everywhere, so you can find it in
any place. Instagram.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, I love the cow Hampshire everybody. Everybody knows where
cow Hampshire is, uh, And there's yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah,
that's one that's around and you know something that sometimes
uh sometimes it works, particularly when you're behind the wheel
the car and some guys cut you off. If you
(29:05):
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
That's that's always what it's used. I don't think I've
ever heard it used outside of a you know, raging
driver saying it's always in the car.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Oh some of us, some of us use that term
more broadly, to be really honest with you, And I've
one of them who have used that term a little
more broadly, and it has.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Entered it's entered the Oxford English Dictionary, so it's now
a real word.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Well it's not only real word, but it has the
respect that I think it's in there.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
It's in there what.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
I do and I'm told, and this is this is
just me sometimes when I'm in a set of circumstances,
like in a store where somebody's blocking the aisle with
their carriage at an angle so no one can get by.
When they finally wake out of that slumber and they
realize they're blocking the aisle, I'd like to use that word,
(30:04):
but it's much better in a car when you're pointing
your finger to the guy. So here's what I do.
I go by the person after they've kind of woken
from their slumber, and I just say soto voci, very
very softly oblivious. The person doesn't hear the word, but
I plant it in their brain. And so for me,
(30:26):
that's a synonym that I use in grocery stores for
the phrase that most of us would use while driving
on the car and being cut off by some guy
from Massachusetts.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
That is a very handy hint.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
We'll all take that, beg Stacy, We'll talk again. Okay,
I really enjoyed. Let's do it again.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Okay, bye bye.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Stacy Milbar of the Granite Post News granted Postnews dot com.
We get back. I'm going to talk about a more
serious subject, and that is a growing shortage of hospital beds.
And if you're anywhere over the age of forty, you
want to pay attention back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the Window World
Nightside Studios on w b Z News Radio.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Okay, we are going to change to a most serious
topic and with us is doctor Richard Lucter. He's an
assistant Professor of Medicine at the David Geffen School of
Medicine and UCLA and the studies lead investigator. I guess
we're facing first of all, elector welcome to Nightside. How
(31:33):
are you, sir?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I'm doing well. Thanks so much for having me here.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
And is it I want to is it Lucter or
what is the correct pronunciation of your last name?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Yeah, that's actually that's actually perfect. You've done what many
people cannot do, which is you got to write the
first time.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I did Luketer. Okay, thank you. So there's a critical
hospital bed shortage that will I guess material in twenty
thirty two. I assume that has something to do with
my generation, the baby boomers. I hate, I hate to
(32:11):
be so upfront about it, but it's it's been that
figured it out to the year at twenty thirty two.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Yeah, yeah, you know, that's that's that's an estimate. And
I think the baby boomers, you know, not the point
fingers out, but I think that that's part of it.
But really there's two components to it. The first is
that if you look at the trend of national hospital
occupancy over the last ten years or so, you know,
really starting for the most part of the two thousands,
(32:40):
we were hovering right around sixty four percent national hospital occupancy.
Nothing changed during the pandemic, where now in this post
pandemic period we are now at a steady state of
seventy five percent. So we were at sixty four percent,
now we're at seventy five percent. A hospital bed shortage
is generally thought to occur, so you can see we
(33:01):
kind of jumped up to get halfway there. So that
was kind of the first part of the finding. The
second part is we did some forward looking modeling to say, well,
what is it going to take to get us there
to that eighty five percent, and that's where the you know,
the aging population comes in.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
That's where we project that just.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
By an aging population alone. If we do nothing else
that increased demand for hospital that would put us to
that eighty five percent by twenty thirty two.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I know that here in New England, and we have
some great hospitals here as you do in Los Angeles,
but I know that here in New England they are
moving people out of hospitals very quickly. The idea of
having surgery and staying a couple of days to get
yourself back in your feet, that's not happening in New England.
(33:47):
It's it's kind of pumper out. Yeah. I don't know
if that's happened in la as well.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, yeah, No, I think that is kind of a
national trend that we're seeing, and a lot of that
is actually driven by data showing that's actually better for
for patients. That's you know, better care because I think
you know, you get people out of the hospital sooner
a they become more mobile, right, and it's better to
be up and about in your own home rather than
sitting in a bed for twenty three hours a day.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
We know mobility promotes healing. We didn't used to, you know,
leave that as much. We also know that, you know,
hospitals can While they're great for, you know, certain life
saving things, they can also be dangerous places. There's a
receense that he actually.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Out of yeah, five years, five years ago this month
we found that out.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
That's exactly right, and that was just one of many examples.
There's actually a study by David Bates that came out
of Harvard and New England Journal just a couple of
years ago that showed up to a quarter of hospitalizations
have an adverse event occurred during them, and over twenty
percent of those adverse events are actually preventable.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
These are things like hospital acquired infections, delirium, medication errors,
things like that, and those are what we're really scared about.
If a hospital bed shortage were to occur, for reached
eighty five percent, those are likely to get worse, you know,
because when hospitals are overcrowded, staff gets stretched thin, errors
start to happen, miss medications, misdiagnoses, all things like that.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah, I've known stories about people, including a family member
who had a pretty bad fracture, ended up spending the
better part of a night in a some sort of
mobile bed, literally in a hallway because yeah, no rooms available.
(35:34):
My question is is this problem which we know exists
here in say Boston and Los Angeles, is it as
acute in other parts of the country, let's say, places
like Nebraska and Kansas, South Dakota, or is this something
that is pervasive throughout the country.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
That's a very good question. And you know, the data
from our study wasn't quite that granular where we could
look at you know, metropolitan areas and rural versus know,
urban and things like that. But I think from other
data that's been published, we do find that this is
generally true at large academic centers, especially in urban areas,
and even non academic centers in urban areas where this
(36:14):
phenomenon of people you know, boarding or effectively, you know,
queuing up for a bed upstairs and the ed in
this obscure hallway is increasingly common. What happens at some
of the more rural centers is what it certainly can happen.
We're also seeing a lot of staffing shortages. We're seeing
it harder to actually open beds in some of these
(36:35):
rural centers, so you get this phenomenon of what's called
dormant beds, where you know, whole wards basically the beds
are there, they're just not the personnel, the physicians, the
ancillary staff, the nurses to be able to actually open
those beds to patients. So then you actually can kind
of get spill over to the nearest academic center, the
nearest urban center. So it's kind of this vicious cycle
(36:58):
where it affects and urban centers in different ways, but
it negatively impacts all.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Of them, you know. Doctor With every medical professional who
I talk to, and I talked to a lot over
the course of a month, probably at least eight or
nine in these sort of relative and short interviews, I
try to raise the issue of why is it That
I'll leave the question hanging, but I want you to
know it's something that this talk show host and longtime
(37:23):
journalist in Boston is very concerned about. Why is it
that we have a doctor shortage in this country that
so many qualified young people who are graduating from great colleges,
great colleges are having to go offshore to complete their
medical education medical to get their medical degrees, whether it's
in the Caribbean or other very good teaching institutions. What
(37:46):
has happened to this country that as we have grown
over grown, older everybody could have seen this coming that
we didn't prepare better for it. We have a PCP
shortage here in New England, which is incredible. I know
doctors who retire who can't get a PCP in New England.
So I don't know what's going on in LA, but
this is something that I want to ring the belt
(38:07):
and the alarm on every nime, every time I talk
to someone like yourself who's a thought leader in your community.
So I just leave it there. I'm not looking for
you to join the crusade. We got to people into
the medical field, period.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
No, that's that's absolutely true. And I think also kind
of jumping off of that, we have to get more people.
You just mentioned primary care that you're just here, and
I think, you know, even when we we do increase
the pipeline of physicians, there's such an incentive now to
go into these highly highly lucrative subspecialists and some of
these other positions, and less so less incentives to actually
(38:44):
go into primary care, which which we need more of.
We also need more you know, nurses and speaking of
you know, pipelines there, you know, there's been a lot
of I think a lot of like a catastrophic decisions
in terms of health policy, like the US State Department,
for example, last June froze all visas for foreign trained nurses.
We already I think that the nursing shortage is actually
(39:06):
more profound than the physician staffing shortage. And it blows
my mind that these types of policies and legislation are
enacted when we need desper me more nurses.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I got to get you on some night and we
do an hour and we talk to callers, but I'm
flat out of time. We got the nine o'clock news here.
I know it's a three hour difference, so I could
talk to you for three more else, but we got
to let you go. Doctor.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Well that's great.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
I'll come back anytime.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Lucer, thank you very much, Thank you very much. With UCLA.
Thanks again. Doctor can give me back. Right after the
nine o'clock news, we're going to talk about long COVID.
It's the real thing, folks, Long COVID
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