March 17, 2025 • 28 mins
Did the Trump Administration ignore a federal judge’s order to temporarily halt the deportation of alleged members of the Venezuelan Tren de Aragua gang? Over the weekend, roughly 250 alleged gang members were transferred via aircraft to El Salvador and Honduras by U.S. officials after President Trump invoked an 18th century wartime law, speeding up the removal of the alleged gang members. A federal judge ordered officials to halt deportation, however the flights were in the air at the time of the ruling. Dan discussed what occurred and if the court order had a lawful basis.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
All Right, the big story this weekend, which I tried
to follow, and I suspected many of you did as well.
The Trump administration, whether you like it or not, is
moving at a very fast rate, very fast speed. And
you probably have heard the story about the individuals. The
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latest that I can come up with is that two
hundred and thirty members of this transnational Venezuelan gang called
Trend de Agua, as well as twenty three members of
the Salvador and MS thirteen gang, we're flown to El
Salvador this weekend. So you say, well, why are we
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sending guys from Venezuela to El sal And if you
haven't figured it out, let me help you. I'm looking
at an article out of the Washington Post. Maria Sacchetti
used to write for the Boston Globe, Marianne Levine and
Toby Rail, who I do not or Ray? It looks
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like our aii don't know. I hope, Ray, I hope
I'm pronouncing your name correctly. So we know that the
ICE has been out arresting people. Okay, these are people
who have come across the border illegally. These are not
people who have a visa. This is separate and apart
from the case of the doctor out of the state
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of Rhode Island, which we can talk about separately if
you want. But what happened was there have been certain countries,
particularly countries in our hemisphere, who have been accepting flights
from the United States. Well, Venezuela, which is run by
a guy named Medoro down there, Ugo Chavez's right hand henchman.
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He is not in a mood to take back the
members of this gang Trenderagara. So apparently about a week
or so ago, the Secretary of State Marco Rubio went
to El Salvador, which I remember seeing reported, but I
was trying to figure out, what's why is Rubio going
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to Al Salvador. Well, apparently he had a meeting with
the president of Al Salvador, who is His name is
Naib Buckley. He's been president there since twenty nineteen, so
he's been there for a while, and he apparently worked
a deal with the United States with Secretary of State
Marco Rubio, where for I think it's a price of
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six million dollars. Six million dollars. The President of El
Salvador has accepted to has agreed to accept some members
of the trend Agua gang as well as members repatriation
of his own MS thirteen residents who were members of
Sal Salvador's MS thirteen gang. I watched a video, a
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really good piece that was on CNN at some point recently,
probably within the last few days, in which the CNN
reporter went down to this place. This place about forty
five miles from anywhere. It's in the middle of nowhere,
and I guess it is the equivalent of six or
seven football fields, So think of six or seven Gillette stadiums,
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which houses upwards of forty thousand prison inmates. Now, if
you saw the video this weekend, these guys are on
the planes or whatever. They came off the planes and
they were put on buses. And when they got at
the end of the bus ride, they were all wearing
white tshirts, white long trunked you know, shorts. But the
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El Salvadoran military, heavily armed, held these guys. They were shackled, handcuffed,
shackled at the legs, and they were walked into this
prison complex, which is like nothing I have ever seen.
In my life. It was just immense and they don't
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have private cells they are in. If they ever get
control of the prison, it will be it will be insane.
But I don't think that the prison guards and the
military there will let them get control of the prison,
and it is going to be a miserable existence for
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these terrorists. The reporter from CNN actually did an interview
with one of these MS thirteen guys who said, you know,
we did ba things and we're here and I don't
know if he if he's trotted out to sort of
express his regrets, but it is it's an amazing complex
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and it is a deal that apparently Marco Rubio pulled
together so for short money six million dollars. I guess
al Salvador actually flewed the planes up to pick these
guys up. Two hundred and thirty eight of them are
now inside this prison. You're in there for life. There's
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you get out of the cell. I guess for an
hour a day or thirty minutes a day. It is.
It's a new prison, it's just like three or four
years old. But it was frightening to look at this.
You talk about what cruel and unusual punishment is in
the United States of America. I mean, if this this
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would make you know Sheriff Tom Hodson Bristol County, who
you know, tried to make he took some of the
weight machines out of there and down in Bristol County
and was criticized for a cruel and unusual punishment. So
these guys who made the mistake of coming across the
border illegally, and many of them apparently were active in Colorado.
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I saw some reports about them taking over apartment buildings
in Colorado. Well, they aren't living in apartment buildings in
Colorado anymore. They are living in what I would consider
to be a nightmare. I would think that these guys
realize at this point then never get No, they're gonna
die of old age. There's gonna be no real due
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process for them. In El Salvador, there was a judge
who ordered to stop these deportations, but the judges timing
of the order apparently was after the planes had left
and they were in international airspace. So I hope you've
watched some of this over the weekend or caught some
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of it on the news tonight. But this is an
incredible story, and I would think that there would be
a lot of people, even members of the Venzuelan gang
Trent Diagra, who would want to self deport at this
point because given a choice, and you've seen the ads
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on TV now in which they're encouraging people to self
deport when you see the circumstances these alleged terrorists. I
have no sympathy for the terrorists, but you've got to
sympathize a little bit for the circumstances they find themselves in.
They came into the United States open borders, thank you,
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Joe Biden, and they now find themselves in a prison
in Al Salvador, which is worse think that any one
could imagine. If you haven't seen the CNA report, you
have no clue of what I'm talking about. Do you
support Donald Trump on this? Uh? Do you feel? I
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feel the way to resolve this is get it to
the Supreme Court as quickly as possible. It's as simple
as that. And I think that Trump, even though this
is an old piece of legislation from seventeen ninety eight,
it was what was used by Franklin Roosevelt during World
War Two. This is an amazing story and I hope
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to hear from as many of you as possible six one, seven, two, four,
ten thirty, six one seven, nine, three one, ten thirty
and triple eight nine to nine, ten thirty. We would
be right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on you BZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You know the secutive Homeland Security I think Holman has
said that he was gonna bring hell here, bring hell there,
or whatever. I'll tell you. It's in hell right now.
Those members of Trente de Agua and the members of
MS thirteen, they are in a situation that I have
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no sympathy for them. They have killed Americans, and they
have been involved in rape and all of that. They've
cut their here illegally. I don't have any sympathy for them.
Let the courts decide it. Let the courts decide it.
But at this point, Wow, Bob is in California. Bob,
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appreciate you Carling. You are first up here on Nightside.
I let to know what you think about this.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yes, Dan, good evening. I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Zero sympathy.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
These are animals and we should give him a choice. Okay,
give him a choice. Either they can spend their life
in prison or firing squad if they don't want to
have to live the rest of their life like that, right,
do Venezuela do us all a favor? Right the firing squad?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Well, well, I'll tell you this. If I if I
were one of those guys who are there's this CNN
piece which was so well done. It was a reporter
who just was just the facts, uh, and it was frightening.
I mean I looked at that and I thought to myself,
you couldn't have worse circumstances. And if I was a
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member of that gang, I would say, give me the
fireing squad, give.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Me the other part. I want to make that. I'm
really hopefully other people to hear this too. In my opinion,
that judge who's arrogantly trying to block President Trump from
deporting these animals, there's no question in my mind that
judge has been paid off by the Venezuelan gangs.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Okay, you know, Bob, I'm going to disagree with you.
There's any judge in his right mind would be insane
to to accept anything from one of those those gangs.
Number one, but number two, there are people on the
bench who who are like that judge who will say,
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I don't care who the person is, I don't care.
We gotta draw the line here. That's why I say,
let's get it, kick it up to the US Supreme
Court as.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Quickly as I agree. I agree with what you're saying there.
But again, my opinion is you're saying my opinion. He's
on the take. Okay, he's on the take. And I
agree what must said today. Impeach that judge. Impeach him
any judge.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Guess who appointed Guess who appointed this judge to the
federal bench, to the bench, Bill Culinton, George George Bush.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well that doesn't say much.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I'm just saying that, you know, no, again, there are Look,
there are people who are friends of mine who would
argue with me on this, and and I think that
and when you look at first of all, these guys
have come here totally illegally. They've been identified as members
of this gang, this this terrorist group that now you know,
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someone are going to say, well, you got to prove
every one of them had committed a murder or committed No.
Trump is not dealing with that. Put him on a plane,
get him out of here. I think it's a stroke,
in my opinion, brilliant by by Marco Rubio to work this.
I never had heard of the president of l Salvador,
but apparently this is a guy who's trying to get
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his country back on the straight and narrow.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
And he's tough.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Cookie, tough cookie. You got to see this.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, go ahead, what I say, I'm serious. The President
also to write him a nice big check is a
thank you for his country, like a billion dollars, thank
you very much.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah. Well, the only I guess it's six million is
what he's being paid. I think that was the figure.
Maybe it's six billion, I don't know. I mean, it's yeah,
it's it's an amazing story with I'll use a word
that is the favorite word of mine is it's amazing.
The alacrity, the swiftness with which the Trump administration has
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put this together. I mean, whether you agree with and
agree judge the federal judge that you don't like is
James Boseburg. He's the chief judge in the District of Columbia.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And we never get him outa get him out all right?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Well, okay, thanks Bob. Always great to your voice. Thank
you so much.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Well, car turn the week. Thank you, Dan, we.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Will, we will thank you much appreciate it. Mixed up
Will on Long Island. Will your thoughts go right ahead? Will?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Dan, you have heard of the President of El Salvador before,
because I've mentioned him many times on your show. Uh.
President Boukelly is one of my favorites. And now you
have another one. I'm going to mention to you. Down
in Argentina are going to have Mille also following on
footstuffs like that imprisoning communists and taking out gangs and
throwing them in prison and throwing away the key. You
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know that I'm a constitutional conservative. I love that Constitution
for Americans. So if I was about to step on
the Constitution or step on the judges, I should say
And anyway, if my moment that Donald Trump was going
to be John Marshall made his decision, now let's see
him enforce it, and put my nose up in the
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court's face. It's going to be. Now this would be
the hill I would die on. I'd be like, I'm
the head of the executive branch, and I am in
control of enforcing these laws, and I will thumb my
nose at the courts and I.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Will I want you to respond. This is President Trump.
I believe he is on a plane either heading to
Florida or back to Washington over the weekend, and he
was asked about violating the judge's order.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
He's gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Well, yeah, here, I just want you to react to it.
It's cut number two twenty three. Please rob President Trump and.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
The inveastration actually speaking of order is violate Judge Boatsburg's
order and sending back the best willing gang members and
not get.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
At I don't know. You have to speak to the rotters.
Are you planning to do more? I can tell you
there's these bad people.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
That was a bad group of As I say, Tom
Sup now you bad group.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
When you look at him and you look at them,
the crimes and they've committed to take a love. You
don't get any tougher. You don't get worse than that.
You understand that. But you have to ask them lawyers.
It's funny Donald Trump basically saying, ask my lawyers.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
He's going to play games right now, even if he
knows what he did, okay, and he's been sure no,
well we didn't get it in time like with the
judge and Rhode Island. I mean with the doctor in
Rhode Island right now.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I think that's a little bit of a different I
think that's a little bit of a different story. And
I'll tell you why. I think he's a story. She's
allowed to be here. Number one. Number two, there's no
suggestion that she was involved in direct terrorist activity. Tonight,
one of the networks was reporting that she went back home.
Originally been reports she went back home to visit her parents.
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Now is ABC News. I believe tonight was saying that
she went back and attended the funeral of Nazaela, the
guy that the Israelis had killed in Beirut. I don't know.
I think you've got to be a little more careful
with that case, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
And because the free speech issues that she's allowed to
be here, yeah, yeah, you got it. Yeah, there's free
speech issues. You're allowed to be here. That's a different story.
These people, in my opinion, have no rights here period.
You're here illegally. Maybe human rights okay, that we all
agree to as part of the UN and all of that,
but as far as rights as an American, you don't
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have any. You don't even have green card status. You
have no time, you don't even have temporary status. You're
literally here illegally, So we want to ship you out,
and Alfalvdol wants to pick up the garbage because Venezuela
doesn't want to take you back. I don't care if
they throw you in their version of Gitmo or whatever.
The people like this who might feel horrible for them,
Some of those people that are being sent there right now,
in mad Max and the Thunderdome type of escape from
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Los Angeles World are going to thrive in that environment.
They'll live there, they'll do wonderful there. They'll have a
criminal enterprise going on in there. It'll be their own
little criminal city. But Naib is doing us a big
favor because he got elected actually because so many El
Salvadorian poor people, communists, people that voted for the previous
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president Salvador Serain, so many of them came here that
they got rid of so many of them on us
that he was able to win the election because they
no longer had the elector and the constituents in order
to put another leftist in office. So he's doing us
the favorite, taking him and putting them in jail. So
I actually if I'm gonna thumb my nose at the
courts right now and I'm gonna I'm going to test
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the courts, even possibly the Supreme Court, this would be
the hill I would die on. Thanks man, got it.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
We'll appreciate it very much, Thank you much. We'll continue
with our conversation and we will go into the eleven
o'clock hour on this one. Again. If you have a
chance to look at this CNN piece, it is it's
an amazing piece of journalism that he was even let
in there. As a reporter. I would have been afraid
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I would have gone in, but I guarantee you that
I would have been a little apprehensive that somehow they
didn't mistake me for a member of MS thirteen, although
I guess I wouldn't be mistaken. We'll be back on Nightside.
Feel free to join the conversation six I got full lines.
I'll let you know when this mind's open. Coming back
on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
We're inundated with phone calls and I'm going to try
to ask everybody to be as quick as possible. Jeff
is in Linfield, Jeff, You're next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Welcome, Say Dan, how beautiful is it?
Speaker 6 (18:58):
You know they were given all those guys the l
Schoppo walk. You know, I love them. They grab them
by the neck, they treat them like the scum that
they are, these these gang members. And to have a
federal judge that wasn't voted in by anybody, try to
hold up the president of the United States. How screwed
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up is our is our judicial system? I agree one
hundred percent with you. That go right to the Supreme Court.
I don't have a problem with the Supreme Court weighing in.
But when you get these federal judges, and even though
you said that they were pointed by by one of
the Bushes, didn't no friends of Donald Trump. They don't
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like Donald Trump. Let me tell you, I'm proud of
be an American. I'm proud of what's going on. I
don't know what you think.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Well, I I kind of where you are on this one.
Because these guys are a clear and present danger, and
they're a clear and present criminal danger. They're not a
clear and present philosophical danger. This is a little different
than uh, you know, when you were trying to say, oh,
we want to, you know, get rid of some communist
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guy who's out in the street corner babbling away. But
these people have come in and have done damage. These
are some of the people who took over apartment buildings
in in Aurora, Colorado. The the I think that the
the woman Lincoln Lincoln Riley at the University of Georgia
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was killed by a guy who was a member of
one of these Venezuelan gangs we've all heard about MS thirteen.
You know, these these are criminal these are these are
criminal enterprises. They're not just some bad guy. These are
people who were working to uh to to bring fentodyl
in the country, to traffic young women or children even
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you know. I mean, you know they are the lowest
of the low. But I got to tell you when
I was watching these guys sitting in these prison cells,
they literally there, there's twenty five to thirty of them
in one cell. I mean right almost as for a
moment I caught myself. But for a moment I thought, see,
that's kind of unfair. But then I thought, look, how
else you're gonna treat these guys.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
I mean, you got to, you gotta treat them you
gotta treat like the animals they are. And the one
thing that that kills me is like when you get
these democrats, you know, you get the mayor of boss
and they'll they'll come and they'll try to speak up
in defense of them, and that's why they'll never get
back in office. When they take the size of these animals,
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you know, with they are, they they say that a
man should be able to compete against a woman. They
just don't get yeah, losing issues.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, well yeah, I think I think that they got
to kind of figure out where they are. But I
want to stay focused on this tonight because I think
that this is one that that the Supreme Court is
probably going to look at it. And I know this
is an old act. It's an act that goes back
to seventeen ninety eight, the Alien Enemies Act. And the
other thing is people were talking about the interment of
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the Japanese during World War Two. Hey, look in retrospect,
I'm clear eyed, you're clear and eye. That never should
have happened. Those were innocent people who were happy to
be living here and they were Japanese. But then you
put yourself back in that situation after Pearl Harbor was bombed.
I mean, you know that was Franklin Roosevelt who did that.
So I think the people that we're dealing with here,
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these terrorists Trente Duragua and MS thirteen, they're more dangerous
to us, obviously than than the poor Japanese families who
are incurred during the nineteen forties. There's no question about that.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
But you know what, I just can't wait till Holman
comes back.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And going to give you plenty of room to say
what you want, but there's no need to go personal
on that's.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
What I'm embarrassed. I mean when I know, but.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
You can use you can say if you want to
say you're embarrassed by the mayor of that. Fine, I
have no problem with that. I'm just saying it doesn't
it It doesn't elevate the conversation to refer it.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
So last thing, and I'll let you go. She had
to spend six hundred and fifty thousand dollars a tax
pay his money just to teach her how to not
to answer a question. You know how they do it.
It's not always in an embarrassment.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But okay, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Great to be an American God bless Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
All right, Jeff, you got a lot in Thank you
very much, appreciate it. Mix up Paul in Pennsylvania, Paul
gonna get you, and maybe one more in go ahead Paul, right.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Man, I thank you saying right call it happen to
say Petters stay. I want to say that. What I
want to say that is the first of all, they
sell you, in my opinion, and one time was a
great organization. The only thing they have in comma with
that same organization from six years ago is that they
may sell you. I don't know whatever happen to them.
And as far as he's a he's a this terrorist
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gay what I call it, a terrorists gay just being
the poor. And I agree with your caller for a
few calls to go Donald Trump. It was a game
of fault where against that judge he should go all
oead of this one.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, I think he is all in and I think
that they should try to get this to the US
Supreme Court as possible. I mean, federal judges are important,
and I think some of them to the get to
the point and they they say, well we're gonna stop.
I mean, Donald Trump is not well liked by members
of the judiciary. Clark, I have no idea. This judge
seems to have a pretty good record. I went over
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some of his cases and it looked to me like
he's a pretty rational, reasonable judge. But I think on
this case, to think that you're going to be able
to turn airplanes in the air that are flying and
are over international water, that you're going to turn them around,
I think you've got to understand the extent of your powers.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
And I think, yeah, he's the president of the United
States for some for some ten or judge somewhere. Just
to you know, I'm just stand up to you, and
you know it may they actively think these people out,
depending on what districts are in. You know how that
works down.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
And you know, I'll also say, remember President Obama said
elections have consequences, right, And.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
As far as those those gay members, Arld schwartzenday Or said,
if we had what movie it was but Hostel Luisa.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Baby, you got it all right? Thanks Paul, appreciate you, Carl,
thank you much. I'm gonna get one more in here
before we got to break away. Those of you on
the line, stay there. I'm gonna get to Donna and
Rick and Frank. But right now, Patrick in DC. Patrick,
your reaction to what the President did today.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
Well, I'll put it into you this way. He was
at the Kennedy Center and he said he he wants
to clean this place up. He wants to clean the
city up. He wants to clean our nation's capital up.
If these are the people that are contributing to the
death and the fentanyl in Washington, on the streets of Washington,
d c. And in small towns up and down the
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East Coast, I want to see the result. I'm looking.
I want to see the result. I want to see
the drug dealers scared now. I want to see them think,
oh oh wait a minute, because things have got to
be the kingpins that help funnel this enterprise. It is
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my opinion because I don't know why, but I just
think that, well.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
We know what we know. Number one, they're not here
looking for political asylum. Okay, They're coming across the border
as a group of highly tattooed criminals who were looking
to have their way in America. It was a mistake
for the borders to be opened for four years. We
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got to pay for that mistake, and it's going to
cost It's going to cost a lot of money, but
that's money that I'm prepared to spend. And we got
to get these people out of the country. This is
not someone coming here seeking asylum, maybe coming across the
border illegally because they're they're fearful of process of being
politically prosecuted in their own country. These are people coming
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here to steal, to break in the homes of American athletes,
professional athletes, whether they're from El Salvador, Venzuela, they want
to come here. They want to break into Patrick Mahomes's
home and Joe Burrow's his home or whatever.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
They then they're smart, they know what they want to do.
They most most sports fans. They couldn't find where Patrick
Mahoons lived if possible, but they were able to get
into his home and steal stuff from him, from Travis Kelsey,
from from Rob from Rob Burrows, the quarterback of the Bengals.
If they're not safe, none of us are safe.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Right, Yeah, So I'm looking forward to the results.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
You got to see the CNN thing on this six
minute piece on this prison down there, Patrick, you will
be very intrigued. Okay, all right, sir, thank everybody talk
to you soon, all right, all right, only one line
open six one, seven, ninth, one, ten thirty. We got Donna,
Rick and Frank coming up.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And we got one line open at six one, seven,
nine three one, ten thirty
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
All Right, the big story this weekend, which I tried
to follow, and I suspected many of you did as well.
The Trump administration, whether you like it or not, is
moving at a very fast rate, very fast speed. And
you probably have heard the story about the individuals. The
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latest that I can come up with is that two
hundred and thirty members of this transnational Venezuelan gang called
Trend de Agua, as well as twenty three members of
the Salvador and MS thirteen gang, we're flown to El
Salvador this weekend. So you say, well, why are we
(00:55):
sending guys from Venezuela to El sal And if you
haven't figured it out, let me help you. I'm looking
at an article out of the Washington Post. Maria Sacchetti
used to write for the Boston Globe, Marianne Levine and
Toby Rail, who I do not or Ray? It looks
(01:16):
like our aii don't know. I hope, Ray, I hope
I'm pronouncing your name correctly. So we know that the
ICE has been out arresting people. Okay, these are people
who have come across the border illegally. These are not
people who have a visa. This is separate and apart
from the case of the doctor out of the state
(01:38):
of Rhode Island, which we can talk about separately if
you want. But what happened was there have been certain countries,
particularly countries in our hemisphere, who have been accepting flights
from the United States. Well, Venezuela, which is run by
a guy named Medoro down there, Ugo Chavez's right hand henchman.
(02:04):
He is not in a mood to take back the
members of this gang Trenderagara. So apparently about a week
or so ago, the Secretary of State Marco Rubio went
to El Salvador, which I remember seeing reported, but I
was trying to figure out, what's why is Rubio going
(02:24):
to Al Salvador. Well, apparently he had a meeting with
the president of Al Salvador, who is His name is
Naib Buckley. He's been president there since twenty nineteen, so
he's been there for a while, and he apparently worked
a deal with the United States with Secretary of State
Marco Rubio, where for I think it's a price of
(02:47):
six million dollars. Six million dollars. The President of El
Salvador has accepted to has agreed to accept some members
of the trend Agua gang as well as members repatriation
of his own MS thirteen residents who were members of
Sal Salvador's MS thirteen gang. I watched a video, a
(03:14):
really good piece that was on CNN at some point recently,
probably within the last few days, in which the CNN
reporter went down to this place. This place about forty
five miles from anywhere. It's in the middle of nowhere,
and I guess it is the equivalent of six or
seven football fields, So think of six or seven Gillette stadiums,
(03:39):
which houses upwards of forty thousand prison inmates. Now, if
you saw the video this weekend, these guys are on
the planes or whatever. They came off the planes and
they were put on buses. And when they got at
the end of the bus ride, they were all wearing
white tshirts, white long trunked you know, shorts. But the
(04:05):
El Salvadoran military, heavily armed, held these guys. They were shackled, handcuffed,
shackled at the legs, and they were walked into this
prison complex, which is like nothing I have ever seen.
In my life. It was just immense and they don't
(04:28):
have private cells they are in. If they ever get
control of the prison, it will be it will be insane.
But I don't think that the prison guards and the
military there will let them get control of the prison,
and it is going to be a miserable existence for
(04:50):
these terrorists. The reporter from CNN actually did an interview
with one of these MS thirteen guys who said, you know,
we did ba things and we're here and I don't
know if he if he's trotted out to sort of
express his regrets, but it is it's an amazing complex
(05:11):
and it is a deal that apparently Marco Rubio pulled
together so for short money six million dollars. I guess
al Salvador actually flewed the planes up to pick these
guys up. Two hundred and thirty eight of them are
now inside this prison. You're in there for life. There's
(05:32):
you get out of the cell. I guess for an
hour a day or thirty minutes a day. It is.
It's a new prison, it's just like three or four
years old. But it was frightening to look at this.
You talk about what cruel and unusual punishment is in
the United States of America. I mean, if this this
(05:56):
would make you know Sheriff Tom Hodson Bristol County, who
you know, tried to make he took some of the
weight machines out of there and down in Bristol County
and was criticized for a cruel and unusual punishment. So
these guys who made the mistake of coming across the
border illegally, and many of them apparently were active in Colorado.
(06:22):
I saw some reports about them taking over apartment buildings
in Colorado. Well, they aren't living in apartment buildings in
Colorado anymore. They are living in what I would consider
to be a nightmare. I would think that these guys
realize at this point then never get No, they're gonna
die of old age. There's gonna be no real due
(06:46):
process for them. In El Salvador, there was a judge
who ordered to stop these deportations, but the judges timing
of the order apparently was after the planes had left
and they were in international airspace. So I hope you've
watched some of this over the weekend or caught some
(07:07):
of it on the news tonight. But this is an
incredible story, and I would think that there would be
a lot of people, even members of the Venzuelan gang
Trent Diagra, who would want to self deport at this
point because given a choice, and you've seen the ads
(07:30):
on TV now in which they're encouraging people to self
deport when you see the circumstances these alleged terrorists. I
have no sympathy for the terrorists, but you've got to
sympathize a little bit for the circumstances they find themselves in.
They came into the United States open borders, thank you,
(07:51):
Joe Biden, and they now find themselves in a prison
in Al Salvador, which is worse think that any one
could imagine. If you haven't seen the CNA report, you
have no clue of what I'm talking about. Do you
support Donald Trump on this? Uh? Do you feel? I
(08:14):
feel the way to resolve this is get it to
the Supreme Court as quickly as possible. It's as simple
as that. And I think that Trump, even though this
is an old piece of legislation from seventeen ninety eight,
it was what was used by Franklin Roosevelt during World
War Two. This is an amazing story and I hope
(08:37):
to hear from as many of you as possible six one, seven, two, four,
ten thirty, six one seven, nine, three one, ten thirty
and triple eight nine to nine, ten thirty. We would
be right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on you BZ Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
You know the secutive Homeland Security I think Holman has
said that he was gonna bring hell here, bring hell there,
or whatever. I'll tell you. It's in hell right now.
Those members of Trente de Agua and the members of
MS thirteen, they are in a situation that I have
(09:16):
no sympathy for them. They have killed Americans, and they
have been involved in rape and all of that. They've
cut their here illegally. I don't have any sympathy for them.
Let the courts decide it. Let the courts decide it.
But at this point, Wow, Bob is in California. Bob,
(09:38):
appreciate you Carling. You are first up here on Nightside.
I let to know what you think about this.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yes, Dan, good evening. I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Zero sympathy.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
These are animals and we should give him a choice. Okay,
give him a choice. Either they can spend their life
in prison or firing squad if they don't want to
have to live the rest of their life like that, right,
do Venezuela do us all a favor? Right the firing squad?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Well, well, I'll tell you this. If I if I
were one of those guys who are there's this CNN
piece which was so well done. It was a reporter
who just was just the facts, uh, and it was frightening.
I mean I looked at that and I thought to myself,
you couldn't have worse circumstances. And if I was a
(10:28):
member of that gang, I would say, give me the
fireing squad, give.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Me the other part. I want to make that. I'm
really hopefully other people to hear this too. In my opinion,
that judge who's arrogantly trying to block President Trump from
deporting these animals, there's no question in my mind that
judge has been paid off by the Venezuelan gangs.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Okay, you know, Bob, I'm going to disagree with you.
There's any judge in his right mind would be insane
to to accept anything from one of those those gangs.
Number one, but number two, there are people on the
bench who who are like that judge who will say,
(11:13):
I don't care who the person is, I don't care.
We gotta draw the line here. That's why I say,
let's get it, kick it up to the US Supreme
Court as.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Quickly as I agree. I agree with what you're saying there.
But again, my opinion is you're saying my opinion. He's
on the take. Okay, he's on the take. And I
agree what must said today. Impeach that judge. Impeach him
any judge.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Guess who appointed Guess who appointed this judge to the
federal bench, to the bench, Bill Culinton, George George Bush.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well that doesn't say much.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I'm just saying that, you know, no, again, there are Look,
there are people who are friends of mine who would
argue with me on this, and and I think that
and when you look at first of all, these guys
have come here totally illegally. They've been identified as members
of this gang, this this terrorist group that now you know,
(12:11):
someone are going to say, well, you got to prove
every one of them had committed a murder or committed No.
Trump is not dealing with that. Put him on a plane,
get him out of here. I think it's a stroke,
in my opinion, brilliant by by Marco Rubio to work this.
I never had heard of the president of l Salvador,
but apparently this is a guy who's trying to get
(12:32):
his country back on the straight and narrow.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
And he's tough.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Cookie, tough cookie. You got to see this.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yeah, go ahead, what I say, I'm serious. The President
also to write him a nice big check is a
thank you for his country, like a billion dollars, thank
you very much.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah. Well, the only I guess it's six million is
what he's being paid. I think that was the figure.
Maybe it's six billion, I don't know. I mean, it's yeah,
it's it's an amazing story with I'll use a word
that is the favorite word of mine is it's amazing.
The alacrity, the swiftness with which the Trump administration has
(13:16):
put this together. I mean, whether you agree with and
agree judge the federal judge that you don't like is
James Boseburg. He's the chief judge in the District of Columbia.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
And we never get him outa get him out all right?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Well, okay, thanks Bob. Always great to your voice. Thank
you so much.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Well, car turn the week. Thank you, Dan, we.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Will, we will thank you much appreciate it. Mixed up
Will on Long Island. Will your thoughts go right ahead? Will?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Dan, you have heard of the President of El Salvador before,
because I've mentioned him many times on your show. Uh.
President Boukelly is one of my favorites. And now you
have another one. I'm going to mention to you. Down
in Argentina are going to have Mille also following on
footstuffs like that imprisoning communists and taking out gangs and
throwing them in prison and throwing away the key. You
(14:09):
know that I'm a constitutional conservative. I love that Constitution
for Americans. So if I was about to step on
the Constitution or step on the judges, I should say
And anyway, if my moment that Donald Trump was going
to be John Marshall made his decision, now let's see
him enforce it, and put my nose up in the
(14:30):
court's face. It's going to be. Now this would be
the hill I would die on. I'd be like, I'm
the head of the executive branch, and I am in
control of enforcing these laws, and I will thumb my
nose at the courts and I.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Will I want you to respond. This is President Trump.
I believe he is on a plane either heading to
Florida or back to Washington over the weekend, and he
was asked about violating the judge's order.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
He's gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Well, yeah, here, I just want you to react to it.
It's cut number two twenty three. Please rob President Trump and.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
The inveastration actually speaking of order is violate Judge Boatsburg's
order and sending back the best willing gang members and
not get.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
At I don't know. You have to speak to the rotters.
Are you planning to do more? I can tell you
there's these bad people.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
That was a bad group of As I say, Tom
Sup now you bad group.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
When you look at him and you look at them,
the crimes and they've committed to take a love. You
don't get any tougher. You don't get worse than that.
You understand that. But you have to ask them lawyers.
It's funny Donald Trump basically saying, ask my lawyers.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
He's going to play games right now, even if he
knows what he did, okay, and he's been sure no,
well we didn't get it in time like with the
judge and Rhode Island. I mean with the doctor in
Rhode Island right now.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I think that's a little bit of a different I
think that's a little bit of a different story. And
I'll tell you why. I think he's a story. She's
allowed to be here. Number one. Number two, there's no
suggestion that she was involved in direct terrorist activity. Tonight,
one of the networks was reporting that she went back home.
Originally been reports she went back home to visit her parents.
(16:10):
Now is ABC News. I believe tonight was saying that
she went back and attended the funeral of Nazaela, the
guy that the Israelis had killed in Beirut. I don't know.
I think you've got to be a little more careful
with that case, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
And because the free speech issues that she's allowed to
be here, yeah, yeah, you got it. Yeah, there's free
speech issues. You're allowed to be here. That's a different story.
These people, in my opinion, have no rights here period.
You're here illegally. Maybe human rights okay, that we all
agree to as part of the UN and all of that,
but as far as rights as an American, you don't
(16:50):
have any. You don't even have green card status. You
have no time, you don't even have temporary status. You're
literally here illegally, So we want to ship you out,
and Alfalvdol wants to pick up the garbage because Venezuela
doesn't want to take you back. I don't care if
they throw you in their version of Gitmo or whatever.
The people like this who might feel horrible for them,
Some of those people that are being sent there right now,
in mad Max and the Thunderdome type of escape from
(17:10):
Los Angeles World are going to thrive in that environment.
They'll live there, they'll do wonderful there. They'll have a
criminal enterprise going on in there. It'll be their own
little criminal city. But Naib is doing us a big
favor because he got elected actually because so many El
Salvadorian poor people, communists, people that voted for the previous
(17:34):
president Salvador Serain, so many of them came here that
they got rid of so many of them on us
that he was able to win the election because they
no longer had the elector and the constituents in order
to put another leftist in office. So he's doing us
the favorite, taking him and putting them in jail. So
I actually if I'm gonna thumb my nose at the
courts right now and I'm gonna I'm going to test
(17:54):
the courts, even possibly the Supreme Court, this would be
the hill I would die on. Thanks man, got it.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
We'll appreciate it very much, Thank you much. We'll continue
with our conversation and we will go into the eleven
o'clock hour on this one. Again. If you have a
chance to look at this CNN piece, it is it's
an amazing piece of journalism that he was even let
in there. As a reporter. I would have been afraid
(18:20):
I would have gone in, but I guarantee you that
I would have been a little apprehensive that somehow they
didn't mistake me for a member of MS thirteen, although
I guess I wouldn't be mistaken. We'll be back on Nightside.
Feel free to join the conversation six I got full lines.
I'll let you know when this mind's open. Coming back
on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
We're inundated with phone calls and I'm going to try
to ask everybody to be as quick as possible. Jeff
is in Linfield, Jeff, You're next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Welcome, Say Dan, how beautiful is it?
Speaker 6 (18:58):
You know they were given all those guys the l
Schoppo walk. You know, I love them. They grab them
by the neck, they treat them like the scum that
they are, these these gang members. And to have a
federal judge that wasn't voted in by anybody, try to
hold up the president of the United States. How screwed
(19:20):
up is our is our judicial system? I agree one
hundred percent with you. That go right to the Supreme Court.
I don't have a problem with the Supreme Court weighing in.
But when you get these federal judges, and even though
you said that they were pointed by by one of
the Bushes, didn't no friends of Donald Trump. They don't
(19:43):
like Donald Trump. Let me tell you, I'm proud of
be an American. I'm proud of what's going on. I
don't know what you think.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Well, I I kind of where you are on this one.
Because these guys are a clear and present danger, and
they're a clear and present criminal danger. They're not a
clear and present philosophical danger. This is a little different
than uh, you know, when you were trying to say, oh,
we want to, you know, get rid of some communist
(20:10):
guy who's out in the street corner babbling away. But
these people have come in and have done damage. These
are some of the people who took over apartment buildings
in in Aurora, Colorado. The the I think that the
the woman Lincoln Lincoln Riley at the University of Georgia
(20:31):
was killed by a guy who was a member of
one of these Venezuelan gangs we've all heard about MS thirteen.
You know, these these are criminal these are these are
criminal enterprises. They're not just some bad guy. These are
people who were working to uh to to bring fentodyl
in the country, to traffic young women or children even
(20:53):
you know. I mean, you know they are the lowest
of the low. But I got to tell you when
I was watching these guys sitting in these prison cells,
they literally there, there's twenty five to thirty of them
in one cell. I mean right almost as for a
moment I caught myself. But for a moment I thought, see,
that's kind of unfair. But then I thought, look, how
else you're gonna treat these guys.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
I mean, you got to, you gotta treat them you
gotta treat like the animals they are. And the one
thing that that kills me is like when you get
these democrats, you know, you get the mayor of boss
and they'll they'll come and they'll try to speak up
in defense of them, and that's why they'll never get
back in office. When they take the size of these animals,
(21:34):
you know, with they are, they they say that a
man should be able to compete against a woman. They
just don't get yeah, losing issues.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, well yeah, I think I think that they got
to kind of figure out where they are. But I
want to stay focused on this tonight because I think
that this is one that that the Supreme Court is
probably going to look at it. And I know this
is an old act. It's an act that goes back
to seventeen ninety eight, the Alien Enemies Act. And the
other thing is people were talking about the interment of
(22:05):
the Japanese during World War Two. Hey, look in retrospect,
I'm clear eyed, you're clear and eye. That never should
have happened. Those were innocent people who were happy to
be living here and they were Japanese. But then you
put yourself back in that situation after Pearl Harbor was bombed.
I mean, you know that was Franklin Roosevelt who did that.
So I think the people that we're dealing with here,
(22:28):
these terrorists Trente Duragua and MS thirteen, they're more dangerous
to us, obviously than than the poor Japanese families who
are incurred during the nineteen forties. There's no question about that.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
But you know what, I just can't wait till Holman
comes back.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And going to give you plenty of room to say
what you want, but there's no need to go personal
on that's.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
What I'm embarrassed. I mean when I know, but.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
You can use you can say if you want to
say you're embarrassed by the mayor of that. Fine, I
have no problem with that. I'm just saying it doesn't
it It doesn't elevate the conversation to refer it.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
So last thing, and I'll let you go. She had
to spend six hundred and fifty thousand dollars a tax
pay his money just to teach her how to not
to answer a question. You know how they do it.
It's not always in an embarrassment.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
But okay, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Great to be an American God bless Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
All right, Jeff, you got a lot in Thank you
very much, appreciate it. Mix up Paul in Pennsylvania, Paul
gonna get you, and maybe one more in go ahead Paul, right.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Man, I thank you saying right call it happen to
say Petters stay. I want to say that. What I
want to say that is the first of all, they
sell you, in my opinion, and one time was a
great organization. The only thing they have in comma with
that same organization from six years ago is that they
may sell you. I don't know whatever happen to them.
And as far as he's a he's a this terrorist
(23:54):
gay what I call it, a terrorists gay just being
the poor. And I agree with your caller for a
few calls to go Donald Trump. It was a game
of fault where against that judge he should go all
oead of this one.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, I think he is all in and I think
that they should try to get this to the US
Supreme Court as possible. I mean, federal judges are important,
and I think some of them to the get to
the point and they they say, well we're gonna stop.
I mean, Donald Trump is not well liked by members
of the judiciary. Clark, I have no idea. This judge
seems to have a pretty good record. I went over
(24:28):
some of his cases and it looked to me like
he's a pretty rational, reasonable judge. But I think on
this case, to think that you're going to be able
to turn airplanes in the air that are flying and
are over international water, that you're going to turn them around,
I think you've got to understand the extent of your powers.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
And I think, yeah, he's the president of the United
States for some for some ten or judge somewhere. Just
to you know, I'm just stand up to you, and
you know it may they actively think these people out,
depending on what districts are in. You know how that
works down.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
And you know, I'll also say, remember President Obama said
elections have consequences, right, And.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
As far as those those gay members, Arld schwartzenday Or said,
if we had what movie it was but Hostel Luisa.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Baby, you got it all right? Thanks Paul, appreciate you, Carl,
thank you much. I'm gonna get one more in here
before we got to break away. Those of you on
the line, stay there. I'm gonna get to Donna and
Rick and Frank. But right now, Patrick in DC. Patrick,
your reaction to what the President did today.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
Well, I'll put it into you this way. He was
at the Kennedy Center and he said he he wants
to clean this place up. He wants to clean the
city up. He wants to clean our nation's capital up.
If these are the people that are contributing to the
death and the fentanyl in Washington, on the streets of Washington,
d c. And in small towns up and down the
(25:59):
East Coast, I want to see the result. I'm looking.
I want to see the result. I want to see
the drug dealers scared now. I want to see them think,
oh oh wait a minute, because things have got to
be the kingpins that help funnel this enterprise. It is
(26:19):
my opinion because I don't know why, but I just
think that, well.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
We know what we know. Number one, they're not here
looking for political asylum. Okay, They're coming across the border
as a group of highly tattooed criminals who were looking
to have their way in America. It was a mistake
for the borders to be opened for four years. We
(26:44):
got to pay for that mistake, and it's going to
cost It's going to cost a lot of money, but
that's money that I'm prepared to spend. And we got
to get these people out of the country. This is
not someone coming here seeking asylum, maybe coming across the
border illegally because they're they're fearful of process of being
politically prosecuted in their own country. These are people coming
(27:06):
here to steal, to break in the homes of American athletes,
professional athletes, whether they're from El Salvador, Venzuela, they want
to come here. They want to break into Patrick Mahomes's
home and Joe Burrow's his home or whatever.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
They then they're smart, they know what they want to do.
They most most sports fans. They couldn't find where Patrick
Mahoons lived if possible, but they were able to get
into his home and steal stuff from him, from Travis Kelsey,
from from Rob from Rob Burrows, the quarterback of the Bengals.
If they're not safe, none of us are safe.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Right, Yeah, So I'm looking forward to the results.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
You got to see the CNN thing on this six
minute piece on this prison down there, Patrick, you will
be very intrigued. Okay, all right, sir, thank everybody talk
to you soon, all right, all right, only one line
open six one, seven, ninth, one, ten thirty. We got Donna,
Rick and Frank coming up.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And we got one line open at six one, seven,
nine three one, ten thirty
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