March 24, 2025 • 40 mins
Recent polling shows a conservative shift among our youngest voters, Gen Z, particularly among young men. What can the Democratic Party do to regain voters? Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has been rallying with Sen. Bernie Sanders trying to reach disenchanted Democrats. Do you think AOC is a good leadership choice for the Democratic Party to try to bridge the gap between voters and regain some of their base?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nice eyes, Dan Ray, I'm telling you Mazy Boston's
News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Okay, we're in the advice category part of the program tonight,
and I'm looking for your advice as to who are
going to lead who will lead the Democrats out of
the wilderness. As we mentioned earlier tonight, Bernie Sanders was
talking about things yesterday on with Jonathan Carl and ABC,
(00:27):
and he he was upset with a question that Carl
asked him about whether or not AOC should run against
Chuck Schumer. So I'm I'm going to go to coptic next,
and then I leaned. But before I do, just to
(00:47):
reset here. I want people to hear what Bernie Sanders
had to say. Let us play the shorter version of
that cut, Rob, which is cut number eighteen. This is
Sanders being asked a question by Jonathan Carl, who's the
friendly reporter to the Democrats. There's no question about that,
and he Sanders is offended by the question and basically
(01:10):
accuses Carl of being unprofessional and Carl, Jonathan Carl basically
begs Sanders to sit back down. This is cut eighteen, Rob.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Please, I am so impressed by her work in Congress
and her just she inspires young people all over the country.
Would you like to see her joining in the Senate?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
We have, as I said, just a whole lot of
people in the Congress. Okay, Jonathan, thanks.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Way, I got one one that's important.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, I asked you, Okay, you know you want to
do nonsense to nonsense. No, I don't want to talk
about inside the beltway slop. I got thirty two thousand people.
I was just asking me about AOC because she was fine.
But I don't want to talk about this. What was
the last question?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I was gonna asking you one more question about you?
I mean that's all. I was not literally lost. What
is your question?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I mean you can't get him to sit down in
the chair. I mean, I finally want to ask you
about your future. This the biggest crowd, you said, usually
ran for president twice. This is the biggest crowd you've
ever seen. Are we gonna see you run again?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Or what's your what's your fils? Right now? I am
very proud that the people who the state of Vermont
sent me back to the Senate with sixty three percent
of the work right now, Vermont's senator. That's what I do,
and I'm very happy to do it. I am eighty
three years of age.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
So.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Again, that's fine. Maybe it'll be Elizabeth Warren. Maybe Elizabeth
Warren will lead the Democrats out of the builderness. How
about that. I'm going to nominate Elizabeth Warren. Who would
you like to nominate to lead the Democrats. I think
AOC should run against Schumor, simple as that, and let's
see what direction of the Democratic Party wants to go.
Coptick in Boston, Coptick, I appreciate your patience. You've held
(02:43):
through the news for me.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
Thank you, No you know what I'm doing them, Thank
you so much for taking you know, I just to
get off my work by ten o'clock. And when I
listened to your radio, I said, no, I want to come.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Oh you go right ahead. I'm listening to go ahead.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
I'm I'm trying to say that color. You know, she
didn't disappoint you only, but she's appointed me. And I
believed millions of the listeners about her ideas about processing
the process with these criminals and illegal who getting inside
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crossing the borders. One trying to say, then, I told
you like five days, I mean five years ago. If
you remember you remember when I told you looks like
a first day party. You are inviting some guys to
your first day party, and one of them is acting
up to your first body, you know, but you're giving
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him a chance for the next year to come home.
But he's still acting up. So in the third time,
do you think that you can invite him again to
your third body so he can acting up and do
a lot of crazy stuff with your friends. No, you're
gonna cake here, or at least you're not gonna invite him.
What I mean about this point is whatever Donald Trump
(04:04):
is doing is the correct way. He needs to clean up.
He need to kick all of these illegals and the
criminals and the character and the gang is people are
from you know, away with us. Our priority here for you,
for me, for all the families is the safety and
(04:25):
the homeland security. Is He's doing very good job. We
need to kick these guys away from here. We don't need,
as you said, we don't need any more criminals in
this beautiful country. I've been here twenty six years. Then
you know I love this country. You know I'm a
US citizen, and I really you know, I love this
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country from all my heart, whatever Donald Trump is doing
is the correct one. And let me ask you something
there after Donald Trump done with his time, and there
is another one is gonna come to be united the
president of the United States or whatever it's going to
be like a Democratic. Do you think he's gonna do
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the same way of the Donald Trump. Why every time
we get somebody like a Democratic, he he messing up everything,
like Joe Biden, like Obama. And they don't care about
the borders, they don't care about the homeland security. Why
we why we we we need like this file, nobody
touched it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, let me let me disagree with you a little bit, okay,
and let me tell you what I honestly believe. I
respect your opinions. But President Obama actually was much better
on the border than Joe Biden. I mean, he wasn't
even close. President Obama deported about three million people. He
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was called by the far left the deporter in chief.
But he was so popular that he was able to
do that. Now Joe Biden, the other hand, I think
I'm not sure when Joe Biden stopped being president. I
know it was before January twentieth, twenty twenty five. We're
finding out now that he was using an auto pen.
(06:12):
I watched George Clooney last night on sixty Minutes, which
was very interesting. You know, Clooney who had raised money
for him and then wrote that devastating article which was accurate,
but the timeline was that I think it was pretty
obvious that Joe Biden had long since lost his fastball
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and we were misled as a country. We were misled
as a country by the leaders of the Democratic Party
that he was sharp as attack and in private meetings
he was so good and he was under control. He
was not, and the Democrats paid a price for that.
They paid a heavy price for that, and I think
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that they're in real trouble here going forwards. I think
the Democratic Party had better, you know, decide what they're
going to do and whether or not they're going to
follow along and keep going to the looney left. I mean,
they are so far out there. I've never seen the
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Democratic Party uh this far out. And I have a
lot of friends of the Democratic Party. They are Joe
Biden has allowed, has allowed basically the lunatics take take
over the asylum. Okay, And when I say the lunatics,
I'm talking about the people in the Democratic Party who
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would have open borders and who and who would I mean,
I have no idea why, uh, members of the of
the so called the caucus, the Democratic Caucus here the
Nancy Yeah, Nancy Pelosi, Right, did you just play that?
(07:57):
Rob That was an accident. I think I think it
was Nancy Pelosi slipping in the squad. The squad, I mean,
who elects people who are members of the squad. I
mean there are Democrats who I respect and admire here
even in Massachusetts. Seth Moulton is a good guy. He
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he represents he we disagree on a lot of stuff.
Steve Lynch is a normal Democrat. Lori Trahan, I think
is a normal Democrat. I mean, you know, they're kind
of you know, traditional, They're going to disagree. They're not
gonna like Donald Trump. That's what it's all about. But
there are other Democrats in this state who do not
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represent the best interest of the Democratic Party. They might
represent their best interest to get elected in a a
in a specific district. I mean, I like the idea
of a two party system. That's why I fight for
a two party system here at Massachusett, which we don't have,
and now I'm fighting for two party systems in the country,
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which pretty soon we might not have. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
The point is then, you know, I really respect that.
I know it's different opinion all of this stuff, but
I just want to I want to advise anybody like
gotta talk about the homeland security Like this scholar I
believe her name is Susan, you know, she said that
we want to do some process with these criminals. You
guys have to you have to think carefully that the
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people who are crossing the borders. It's not only like
the Ganghisters and all of this stuff. No, you can
find a lot of people coming from different countries like Syria,
like Pakistan, like Egyptian.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Sure, whatever the terrorist terrorists allow, why do we allow
some of the why don't we allow some of the
terrorists in the country.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Okay, give them the same due process rights as all
of us. And if they detonate a suitcase nuke somewhere
in Boston and New York's City, we then might say, well,
maybe we should have been a little stricter with them.
I just don't understand, you know. Again, I forget whether
it was Franklin or someone h at one point talked
(10:12):
about democracy and all the rights that we have. It
should not be a suicide packed and I'm just I'm
afraid that someone's gonna say, well, we got to give everybody.
You know, let's let's bring more sinnae of brothers back
into America because we need more people like the Sinaevs
who will blow up Americans. I mean, think if only
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we had thrown those bums out of the country before
they slaughtered people at the marathon. We we we had
amnesia in this country, and I think I think people
better wake up. Uh. Coptic, I gotta run and gave
you a lot of time.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Thank you for so much. Again, I supposed to Trump.
I supposed to him very strongly.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I got it. It was very clear you've made you
made your point that I got other people. I got
to get to Coptic. Call again. We can have another cannversation. Okay, sure,
thank you there, Thank you, good night. We'll take a break,
coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
nights Side Studios.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
On w b Z the news Radio. Let's catch up
here a little bit with Eileen. Eileen, thanks for your
patience and holding on you. Next on night see night side.
I Lean welcome, Hello, Hi, II Leen welcome. How are
you tonight?
Speaker 7 (11:25):
Welcome to you, Good evening, Dan, quick four quick points.
Where was all the noise when Biden was flying illegal immigrants?
Whoever was running the government while Biden was asleep flew
illegal immigrants into the United States?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well, we talked about it, but they were there.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Yeah, I mean, where was no Where were the judges?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Where was the ug The judges were asleep. The judges were.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Asleep, They were asleep with Biden. Okay. Two, how many
of these people who want these criminals back here William
to sponsor them while they're here.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
The incident? That is zero?
Speaker 7 (12:06):
Yeah, I mean they want all these illegals here?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
How many?
Speaker 7 (12:11):
How many? There were a couple of people who have
legitimate claim to say that, and they're not Democrats and
Republicans and they're on Fox News. They've done that. But
here's the thing, Mayor ru how many illegal immigrants are
Shoes's sponsoring?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
How many is zero?
Speaker 7 (12:28):
How many about our governor?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Zero?
Speaker 7 (12:30):
Zero? But we're supposed to sponsor them with taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, we do sponsor them. We've sponsored them with two
billion dollars of taxpayer dollars, two billion dollars, and now
we're cutting back school budgets in North end Over and
the kids instead of being in school today listening and learning,
they were out protesting, which is great, you know, I mean,
(12:57):
that's wonderful. It's a well run though, protesting that they
were cuts going to be made, and they wouldn't have
had to have.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Made the a little protest during the pandemic. The charter
schools were in session, yep. Absolutely, The private schools were
in session, The Catholic schools were in session, the Christian
schools were in session. The only schools that were in
session are the ones that the teachers union represented by.
(13:26):
That's that's a whole nother story though, And my my third,
my third point on this bringing these criminals back, what
message are we sending to the rest of the criminals
that are going to come here?
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Come, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Do you remember do you remember when we used to
play tag as a kid in the backyard many years ago,
and when it got to be dark, someone would call
all the alli entry, which meant, you know, wherever you're hiding,
come on out, the game's over. All the all the entry.
That's that should be the campaign slogan for the Democrats.
All the ali doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
I'm telling you, Democrats have lied so much to the
American people and they used to be able to get
away with that. But with all the sources of information,
now that doesn't that's how to do.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Here's what my problem is. And I should have asked
Susan this. And you know, Susan is is a friend
of mine. Have never met her, but we've had a
phone relationship over the years, and she's welcome and she's
tough enough to take it. When I I was really
got upset tonight because I don't want to be lectured
about due process. These guys don't deserve due process.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Not American citizens.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
They're not American citizens. There's there's a moderk. Look, if
some family comes across the border in search of a
better life, have come here illegally, we can give them
some due process and and then you know, okay, uh,
and maybe if they have a legitimate asylum claim, that's fine.
But I don't want to deal with I don't want
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to have our law enforcement UH in charge of dealing
with these guys are killers, rapists.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
The barbarians.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Let's see it that way.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Is thirteen wannabes, okay, And the fact that people can't
see that, what do they want? I mean, what do
we have to have a couple of suitcase nukes exploded
in major American cities to get to get our what's
wrong with us? What is wrong with us as a
at this point?
Speaker 7 (15:34):
Well, first of all, this is my I mean, I
use I'm a longtime Massachusetts Irish Catholic, et cetera. So
originally obviously a Democrat, right, that's how we all were.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You were born a Democrat.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
But the hate.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
That's coming out, I mean, the hate and the violence
coming out of the Democratic Party, it just flows me.
It shocks me even even Okay, And a perfect example.
You know Mark Kelly, who's ex asta yep, whose wife
was the victim of political violence. Yes, he got on
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he reached did you see this video where he recently
go on TV and said he was getting umbers tesla
And I'm saying, we do you? Are you just? I
mean that's inciting violence? Well yeah, and I would love
And this is the iriny is he certainly walking up
in his space station. There's the iry of that, thank God,
(16:35):
he wasn't up there because he's gotter have to say
thank you to bust Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, uh he's he's walking. He's walking a line, that's
for sure. Eileen, I love it. Thank you so much.
As always, You're welcome.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
A lovely evening.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Do me a favorite, call more off and tell your
friends about the show. Okay, I need to I need
to be I need to be reassured that there were
more people. What happens on this show?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
People? Tell me? Oh, listen every night, you listen every night.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Study were starting to form an organization. I happened to
be Irish Catholic, but I'm forming it with some Jewish
friends against anti Semitism. So I'll give you a heads
up as things happen.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, i'll tell you organization.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
My goal is to get one hundred thousand houses next
Christmas with blue and white lights on them Christian health.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
That's a great goal. I got to tell you. I'm
I'm Irish Catholic and I am fiercely against anti Semites.
I'm concerned about anti Semitism.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
This isn't just anti Semitism, it's anti God. It's anti
Christian too. Well, it's plenty of good finish.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Point if I could, If you don't mind, I just
finished my point. I had the benefit of a of
a parent, a father who had served in World War Two,
who taught me early on what went on during World
War Two as a child. And I start myself when
I visited Auschitz as a television reporter in nineteen eighty six.
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So I see so much anti Semitism in this country.
We talk about it a lot in this show, will
continue to talk about it, and if people are uncomfortable
with it, then they need to listen to another show.
Because anti Semitism, you know, is virulent, and it is fantastasized.
It's a cancer. It's fantastized. When I was young, it
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was on the American far right and the American Nazi
Party and those wackadoodles who had to march in Skokie, Illinois,
and they had their First Amendment rights to march, but
they certainly represented nothing but hate. And I saw and
you got a scent sense of it down in Charlottesville,
(18:47):
Virginia when they you know, they were coming out with
the torches. But it is fantastasized to the American left,
and a lot of people on the American Left, a
legitimate American left, really do understand it, and they're coming
around to it, and uh, that organization that that you
have or that you're forming.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I would be a true with a lot of with
a lot of Jewish friends.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
I just happen to be the creative one there. They
are the ones with the knowledge that I need.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Okay, well, and I had a.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Landlord actually that was in World War two in Germany,
so he's a source of information too. It's just I
just totally understanding. I can't understand it. I can't thank you,
have a great night.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Good I was I was saying to Eileen that so
many of you out there sit at home and you
say to you so well, I agree, I agree, I agree,
I agree. Where are your voices? Where are your voices?
And I mean that seriously, you know, your your voice
is important. You know if you sit by and you
don't express your opinion, many people sit at home and
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they say, well, I'm the only one that thinks that.
You're not the only one that thinks. So wait, listen
to the callers tonight. I feel free to join the conversation.
Six one seven two thirty six month seven nine, three, one,
ten thirty. We're coming right back on Nightside.
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Speaker 5 (21:35):
Go right ahead, Dan, I you know, you know I
listen to you a lot at Call Plenty, But I'm
always listening, and it's like one of my favorites. Even
when we disagree. I like disagreeing with you too, and
I agree and I disagree a little bit, like I'm
not a big believer in parties. As a matter of fact,
my son I had to register again. My son has
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been with me both times I voted for Trump, well
to the three times I voted for Trump. He's twelve now,
and I had to reregister the vote. I had to
vote by affidavit, and for whatever reason, I had to reregister.
And I showed him something. I said, I want you
to watch what I do. And when I registered, I said,
you see, here's all the parties Libertarian, Republican, Democrat. I said,
here's how I register, and I checked no party. And
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I told him why, And I said, because one day,
like the who said, when a party on the left
becomes a party on the right, and the party that
I had an allegiance to becomes something else. I don't
want to feel that I have to vote for them.
So I try to keep my prom like you.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'm an independent. I'm unenrolled. I have never been a
registered Democrat nor a registered Republican. And by the way,
I think it's sixty percent of the people in Massachusetts
are unenrolled.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
But I believe that.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Doesn't know how to appeal to the unenrolled by talking about.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Issues, right, And I believe that, especially recently, I have
been forced into a tribe, But I don't belong. I've
always followed politics, even before I can vote, And I
remember a young man, just you know, going to the
college reading Washington's farewell address, and I'll never forget. Like
one part that sticks to me particularly is when he says, however,
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political parties may now and then answer unpopular ends answer
popular ends. They are likely, in the course.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Of time and things, to become potent engines by which cunning, ambitious,
and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power
of the people and to usurp for themselves the reigns
of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted
them to unjust dominion. And today, more than ever, I
understand that I believe right now because the system we have,
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we need the two party system, because Americans are accustomed
to it. They're there's a lot of them have a
superficial view of politics and they have to pick either
blue or red. However, I also believe I remember when
he was four, I voted for Trump and we're in
a very red area at that time where I lived.
And he said to me, realized, he goes, Daddy in
(24:14):
the middle of the gymnasium, Daddy, did we vote for Trump?
And I looked at him and I said, unfortunately, and
everyone laughed, and I said, it's kind of like a
choice between shooting yourself and the head or in the foot,
and I think that he's the foot, and a lot
of people I think feel that way right now. And
I think the Democrat Party. I don't like when the
Democrats switched to Republicans because I feel like they need
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to fix their party from within. I need to find
Democrats I could vote for again. The RFK juniors, the
Joe Manchins. These guys are now becoming older and not
going to be there anymore, and we're going to be
left with the aocs and the Bernie Sanders. I'm from
an area where AOC is not that far away. She's
been in our eye for a while. We see her
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all the time, and I'm not going to go into
our history and the bartender and all this other stuff.
I know bartenders that are smarter than lawyers. Okay, However,
I will say that she has a very superficial view
of politics and even a worse view of economics. And
people like this having the platform that they have and
the ability to govern and legislate and make laws with
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such little knowledge of what they're doing. We even had
a president at one point, at least the first time
he was elected, it literally had like an eighth grade
knowledge of civics and we put this man in the
White House. The last president we had was literally suffering
from dementia, and he wasn't even the sharpest tool in
the shed when he was the vice president or a senator.
It's becoming to the point where I feel like I've
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been forced into a tribe and I'm voting for people
and I'm flipping switches for people that I don't even
agree with anymore. But it's just there better than the
other guy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (25:56):
No, it sometimes a choice between the lesser of two
evils or the lesser of two incompetence. The bottom line
is the best in the brightest are not the people
who are running for office. There's no doubt about that,
simple as that.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
And whn you imagine. Can you imagine if AOC one
day was running for president, let's say four years from now,
even they put her.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Let me tell you this, she's guaranteed forty percent.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Well, of course, because they'll just vote against whatever it
is that the other side. I mean, I'm literally watching
Donald Trump do things that were typically Democrat stances. And
I'm watching Democrats now that believed in protectionism, believed in
building the American workforce, believed in protecting union jobs, believed
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in making sure our jobs be stucked the weight all
the time.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
It's all gone.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
I'm seeing them fight against it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, I know, that's right. I agree with you. It's
it's it is a It's an amazing thing to watch
as a political scientist. Uh will, I got packed lines.
I got to keep rolling here back as always, I
appreciate your loyalty and I appreciate you having the courage
to call the program and express yourself as well as
you do every night, whether we know any night, whether
(27:11):
we agree to agree. Thank you will appreciate it. Jim,
you are next gym on nightside. Welcome back, All right ahead, sir.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
And hi, thanks for taking my call. How's your brackets?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I don't do brackets, but if I did, they would
they would already be gone.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
And I'm just just make a conversation. So hey, I
tried to call earlier. But so I don't like to
jump to conclusions because then I can make a mistake.
So I guess what I'm just wondering. I mean, if
I recall correctly, the judiciary is job is to interpret
the law. So I'm just wondering what misinterpretation of the
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law has there been that this judge is issuing a
stay of execution.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Well, the judge, real simple, is concluding that the law
that the president is relying upon, this Act from seventeen
ninety eight, is not an appropriate application of the law. Well,
I'm just telling you what. I'm just trying to tell
you what.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Okay, okay, okay, that's that's an answer. Now here's my
next question. So what evidence was presented that made the
judge at least tentatively to have that viewpoint?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Because the judge read the statute from seventeen ninety eight
and prima facia, the language of the law would say
that the only people who could be effected by this
would be citizens of nations with whom we were technically
at war. And the administration is saying this group trente dragua,
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who have committed this country are basically a part of
the Venezuelan government. They never would have been allowed to
leave the country. They're coming here to raise havoc, They're
coming here to cause substantial harm, and they in effect
our invaders without military uniforms. But they are invaders who
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have tattoos, who identify themselves just as as military uniforms identify.
When I see you, I don't shoot you because you're
in a uniform.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Okay, So how long I mean, how long does this
stay of execution last before one or the other party
has to show up with you know, before the judge renders.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Finally, the first day of execution was debated today in
front of a three judge federal panel in Washington, d C.
One of the judges was appointed by President Obama, one
was actually appointed by President Trump, and one had been
appointed by President Bush. They will decide if the stay
of execution that judge Borsburg issued initially is appropriate, and
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they will either support him or overturn him. Whatever happens
at the appeals court, at the three judge Appeals Court
will then, I think, of necessity, go to the US
Supreme Court and get the issue. It is, more broadly,
Jiman is a question of what powers does the commander
in chief have and what limitations can the judiciary impose
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upon a commander in chief? And I think on that issue,
Trump eventually is going to prevail on this from a technical,
from a legal point of view, from a legal analysis
point of view, because you cannot have a single federal
court judge. In effect, if let us say Donald Trump
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was doing something that was clearly unconstitutional, then then you
have a federal court judge who can interfere because he's
protecting the rights of citizens across the country. These folks
who this judge is protecting one or not citizens number two,
they they very well may have the characteristics as the
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administration is claiming of an invading army. And I know
I'm getting into weeds with you a little bit here,
but you know this is ask me because.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Straight answer, I was playing Dan Ray to your Harvey Silverglade.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Okay, okay, I'll order.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
Thanks thanks for listening, all right, thank.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
You, thank you for asking. Thanks Jim, talk to you soon.
Have a great night. I should probably have Harvey on. Okay. Now,
all of a sudden, I got a couple of folks
dropped off, so I got to take a break. When
I come back on and talk with Tina in woond
socket and I hope to talk with you, and I
hope you have the courage to pick up the phone
dial the number six one seven, two, five four ten
thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty and
(32:02):
feel free to tell me if you agree or disagree
with what how this program has gone tonight. I think
it's been The callers have been great, including my friend
Susan from Cambridge. They have gone on different different points
of view. Dan from Hampton, New Hampshire was a great caller.
Feel free bring it on. We got about not twelve
(32:25):
minutes left. I can handle a couple more callers. Talk
to you on the other side. Now back to Dan
Ray live from the Window World night Side Studios. I'm
WBZ News Radio. Okay, we have three callers and I'm
delighted to start it off. With Tina in Moonsocket, Rhode Island. Tina,
you were next on nightside. Welcome?
Speaker 9 (32:44):
Yes, yes, Hi Dan. This is the question I want
to pose. We have principles in this country where you're
innocent until you're proven guilty. And I know there's a
lot of people have came in across the border illegally,
and are we supposed to believe Trump everything he said
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about this group Trente Agua. How do we know if
there weren't any innocent people, don't they have the right
or maybe they don't have the right to do process?
What if there are some people who are not part
of that group and they were just mixed in the fray?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Do we just take.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
Trump's Trump's words at face value? Do we give up
our principles as of Americans at.
Speaker 9 (33:35):
An innocent person means everything? And so the Trente Agua.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
What do you think about my.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Point of view to give you an answer which may
or may not be satisfactory to you. Okay, okay, there
are gangs that have infiltrated across the border. Trent A
Agua is one that comes out of Venezuela. M's thirteen
comes out of El Salvador. Violent, vicious gangs that engage
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in literally rape murder. The worst, they execute people within
their group if they're not loyal. These are groups that
I do not want in the United States. Okay, we
have a US Constitution. We have a US Constitution which
does provide certain rights to all of us as citizens,
(34:27):
and even rights to people who are in the country illegally.
But at some point, as President Lincoln is said and
others behind him have said, the constitution is not a
suicide pact. If we do not realize that we have
people in this country right now who want to do
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major harm, particularly those of us who live in Boston
and have experienced the marathon bombings back in twenty thirteen,
we are naive and these people are not here to
visit the United States of America. They are here to
wreck havoc. It's as simple as that. And if there
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is someone who has been deported inappropriately, let's find out
who that person is, bring them back here, give them
a due process hearing, and then deport them again.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
How do we do that if they're in that El
Salvador in jail.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Simple, real, simple. El El Salvador is holding these people
at our request and I'm sure that if we said
we made a mistake and we sent three people down there,
or two people or one people, one person down there,
I'm sure that the President of El Salvador, who work
this deal with Secretary of State Rubio, would comply, Tina,
I got to get two more in here. Who've been
(35:45):
kind of Okay, great questions, great questions. I don't know
if my answers were satisfactory, but it's the best I
could do this late hour. Okay, thanks so much, Thank you,
have a great night. Rick and Dover, Dover, Massachusetts. Rick,
welcome back, go right ahead. Hey.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Yeah, so, I guess the question for the court is.
Speaker 10 (36:05):
Is a gang or whoever the government labels as a
gang or a knitting group or a basketball team. Is
that covered in the Aliens Act? I think it always
says in countries.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, there there's other language in the Act that the
Trump administration is relying upon. And if that information was
rejected by the well, I don't even know that there
was argued in front of the single judge the appeals court.
Certainly it would have been argued today, and eventually he's
going to go to the US Supreme Court. It's as
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simple as that I believe. Rick. I know that you're
a little bit more liberal than I am. So let
me ask you the question. Yeah, seriously in your opinion,
and you're a rational guy. You live in Dover. I
have no idea what you do for a living, but
you're smart. I know that there aren't too many dumb
people live in Dover. Okay, it takes a few bucks
to live out there. My question is what has to happen.
(37:06):
We've had, uh, the brothers from Dagaistan slaughter people at
the marathon. Main people at the marathon. Do not like
a suitcase nukes to go off in this country? Or
how many suitcase nukes before we finally tough it up
and say, guess what we had open borders. We now
have to correct and adjust. That's all I'm asking.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
No, I think we should do it by using the law.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Maybe we need some new laws, you know, well maybe.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
But maybe. But the Supreme Court, if this administration is
interpreting this law, let's take it up to the Supreme Court.
If the Supreme Court says, Trump, you're wrong, then then he's.
Speaker 10 (37:45):
Gonna have exactly but correcting are wrong. They shouldn't have
happened because they didn't have the legal authority to do
it after the fact.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
It's kind of definitely not.
Speaker 10 (37:58):
The way America's wist to know.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Well, we don't need all the time. Hold on, waite, Rick,
have you ever hear of the dred Scott decision that
got corrected versus plus versus Ferguson. I don't know if
you're lawyer, but I and that got corrected. My career
on the line, my friend, to get four innocent men
out of prison. I hope you know that case. I'm
(38:23):
not going to go over it right now. I put
my I know as a journalist.
Speaker 10 (38:28):
I don't think I should defying some judge and then
decide later.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
He's not defying the judge. He's appealed it. I got
one more call, Rick, I do me a favorite. We
can have a longer conversation. But I love your call. You,
I respect you. Thank you. John and Boston. John, you
got the final word. I'm not sure how much time
we have, Rob. Let me know, go ahead, John.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Dan real quick. The Boston Marathon. Obamas came here and
nine to eleven guys here bout twenty years so they
came here with closed borders. Now we have open borders.
I was listening to a military expert today, Travis A. Lee,
who's saying this, four hundred thousand military age Chinesemen that
come across the border in four years, and the real
numbers illegals that come across the past four years are
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thirty to forty million illegals that have come across the border.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Well, that's a little high, but I wouldn't be surprised
if it was twenty million.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Okay, Well, Sarah Adams also, but Jean Intell.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Hold on, John, I'm out of time. I really appreciate
that you're called. Please call a little earlier next time
and we'll get a much longer conversation when I'm flat out.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Okay, Man, thank you, Mandan great danger, one hundred thousand
fen on death. Thank you, have a great night.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Good night, Thank you, Rob, thank you, Marita. Thanks to
the callers and the listeners. All dogs, all cats, all
pets go to heaven. That's my pell, Charlie. Rays were
passed fifteen years ago in February. That's why all your
pets are who have passed. They loved you and you
love them. I do believe you'll see them again. See
it again tomorrow. Night on night Side. I'll be on
Facebook night Side with Dan Ray in about two minutes.
(40:05):
I'm going to have a couple of comments to make this.
See you then
It's nice eyes, Dan Ray, I'm telling you Mazy Boston's
News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Okay, we're in the advice category part of the program tonight,
and I'm looking for your advice as to who are
going to lead who will lead the Democrats out of
the wilderness. As we mentioned earlier tonight, Bernie Sanders was
talking about things yesterday on with Jonathan Carl and ABC,
(00:27):
and he he was upset with a question that Carl
asked him about whether or not AOC should run against
Chuck Schumer. So I'm I'm going to go to coptic next,
and then I leaned. But before I do, just to
(00:47):
reset here. I want people to hear what Bernie Sanders
had to say. Let us play the shorter version of
that cut, Rob, which is cut number eighteen. This is
Sanders being asked a question by Jonathan Carl, who's the
friendly reporter to the Democrats. There's no question about that,
and he Sanders is offended by the question and basically
(01:10):
accuses Carl of being unprofessional and Carl, Jonathan Carl basically
begs Sanders to sit back down. This is cut eighteen, Rob.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Please, I am so impressed by her work in Congress
and her just she inspires young people all over the country.
Would you like to see her joining in the Senate?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
We have, as I said, just a whole lot of
people in the Congress. Okay, Jonathan, thanks.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Way, I got one one that's important.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, I asked you, Okay, you know you want to
do nonsense to nonsense. No, I don't want to talk
about inside the beltway slop. I got thirty two thousand people.
I was just asking me about AOC because she was fine.
But I don't want to talk about this. What was
the last question?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I was gonna asking you one more question about you?
I mean that's all. I was not literally lost. What
is your question?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I mean you can't get him to sit down in
the chair. I mean, I finally want to ask you
about your future. This the biggest crowd, you said, usually
ran for president twice. This is the biggest crowd you've
ever seen. Are we gonna see you run again?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Or what's your what's your fils? Right now? I am
very proud that the people who the state of Vermont
sent me back to the Senate with sixty three percent
of the work right now, Vermont's senator. That's what I do,
and I'm very happy to do it. I am eighty
three years of age.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
So.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Again, that's fine. Maybe it'll be Elizabeth Warren. Maybe Elizabeth
Warren will lead the Democrats out of the builderness. How
about that. I'm going to nominate Elizabeth Warren. Who would
you like to nominate to lead the Democrats. I think
AOC should run against Schumor, simple as that, and let's
see what direction of the Democratic Party wants to go.
Coptick in Boston, Coptick, I appreciate your patience. You've held
(02:43):
through the news for me.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
Thank you, No you know what I'm doing them, Thank
you so much for taking you know, I just to
get off my work by ten o'clock. And when I
listened to your radio, I said, no, I want to come.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Oh you go right ahead. I'm listening to go ahead.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
I'm I'm trying to say that color. You know, she
didn't disappoint you only, but she's appointed me. And I
believed millions of the listeners about her ideas about processing
the process with these criminals and illegal who getting inside
(03:20):
crossing the borders. One trying to say, then, I told
you like five days, I mean five years ago. If
you remember you remember when I told you looks like
a first day party. You are inviting some guys to
your first day party, and one of them is acting
up to your first body, you know, but you're giving
(03:41):
him a chance for the next year to come home.
But he's still acting up. So in the third time,
do you think that you can invite him again to
your third body so he can acting up and do
a lot of crazy stuff with your friends. No, you're
gonna cake here, or at least you're not gonna invite him.
What I mean about this point is whatever Donald Trump
(04:04):
is doing is the correct way. He needs to clean up.
He need to kick all of these illegals and the
criminals and the character and the gang is people are
from you know, away with us. Our priority here for you,
for me, for all the families is the safety and
(04:25):
the homeland security. Is He's doing very good job. We
need to kick these guys away from here. We don't need,
as you said, we don't need any more criminals in
this beautiful country. I've been here twenty six years. Then
you know I love this country. You know I'm a
US citizen, and I really you know, I love this
(04:47):
country from all my heart, whatever Donald Trump is doing
is the correct one. And let me ask you something
there after Donald Trump done with his time, and there
is another one is gonna come to be united the
president of the United States or whatever it's going to
be like a Democratic. Do you think he's gonna do
(05:08):
the same way of the Donald Trump. Why every time
we get somebody like a Democratic, he he messing up everything,
like Joe Biden, like Obama. And they don't care about
the borders, they don't care about the homeland security. Why
we why we we we need like this file, nobody
touched it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, let me let me disagree with you a little bit, okay,
and let me tell you what I honestly believe. I
respect your opinions. But President Obama actually was much better
on the border than Joe Biden. I mean, he wasn't
even close. President Obama deported about three million people. He
(05:50):
was called by the far left the deporter in chief.
But he was so popular that he was able to
do that. Now Joe Biden, the other hand, I think
I'm not sure when Joe Biden stopped being president. I
know it was before January twentieth, twenty twenty five. We're
finding out now that he was using an auto pen.
(06:12):
I watched George Clooney last night on sixty Minutes, which
was very interesting. You know, Clooney who had raised money
for him and then wrote that devastating article which was accurate,
but the timeline was that I think it was pretty
obvious that Joe Biden had long since lost his fastball
(06:32):
and we were misled as a country. We were misled
as a country by the leaders of the Democratic Party
that he was sharp as attack and in private meetings
he was so good and he was under control. He
was not, and the Democrats paid a price for that.
They paid a heavy price for that, and I think
(06:54):
that they're in real trouble here going forwards. I think
the Democratic Party had better, you know, decide what they're
going to do and whether or not they're going to
follow along and keep going to the looney left. I mean,
they are so far out there. I've never seen the
(07:15):
Democratic Party uh this far out. And I have a
lot of friends of the Democratic Party. They are Joe
Biden has allowed, has allowed basically the lunatics take take
over the asylum. Okay, And when I say the lunatics,
I'm talking about the people in the Democratic Party who
(07:35):
would have open borders and who and who would I mean,
I have no idea why, uh, members of the of
the so called the caucus, the Democratic Caucus here the
Nancy Yeah, Nancy Pelosi, Right, did you just play that?
(07:57):
Rob That was an accident. I think I think it
was Nancy Pelosi slipping in the squad. The squad, I mean,
who elects people who are members of the squad. I
mean there are Democrats who I respect and admire here
even in Massachusetts. Seth Moulton is a good guy. He
(08:22):
he represents he we disagree on a lot of stuff.
Steve Lynch is a normal Democrat. Lori Trahan, I think
is a normal Democrat. I mean, you know, they're kind
of you know, traditional, They're going to disagree. They're not
gonna like Donald Trump. That's what it's all about. But
there are other Democrats in this state who do not
(08:43):
represent the best interest of the Democratic Party. They might
represent their best interest to get elected in a a
in a specific district. I mean, I like the idea
of a two party system. That's why I fight for
a two party system here at Massachusett, which we don't have,
and now I'm fighting for two party systems in the country,
(09:04):
which pretty soon we might not have. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
The point is then, you know, I really respect that.
I know it's different opinion all of this stuff, but
I just want to I want to advise anybody like
gotta talk about the homeland security Like this scholar I
believe her name is Susan, you know, she said that
we want to do some process with these criminals. You
guys have to you have to think carefully that the
(09:29):
people who are crossing the borders. It's not only like
the Ganghisters and all of this stuff. No, you can
find a lot of people coming from different countries like Syria,
like Pakistan, like Egyptian.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Sure, whatever the terrorist terrorists allow, why do we allow
some of the why don't we allow some of the
terrorists in the country.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Okay, give them the same due process rights as all
of us. And if they detonate a suitcase nuke somewhere
in Boston and New York's City, we then might say, well,
maybe we should have been a little stricter with them.
I just don't understand, you know. Again, I forget whether
it was Franklin or someone h at one point talked
(10:12):
about democracy and all the rights that we have. It
should not be a suicide packed and I'm just I'm
afraid that someone's gonna say, well, we got to give everybody.
You know, let's let's bring more sinnae of brothers back
into America because we need more people like the Sinaevs
who will blow up Americans. I mean, think if only
(10:33):
we had thrown those bums out of the country before
they slaughtered people at the marathon. We we we had
amnesia in this country, and I think I think people
better wake up. Uh. Coptic, I gotta run and gave
you a lot of time.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Thank you for so much. Again, I supposed to Trump.
I supposed to him very strongly.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I got it. It was very clear you've made you
made your point that I got other people. I got
to get to Coptic. Call again. We can have another cannversation. Okay, sure,
thank you there, Thank you, good night. We'll take a break,
coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
nights Side Studios.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
On w b Z the news Radio. Let's catch up
here a little bit with Eileen. Eileen, thanks for your
patience and holding on you. Next on night see night side.
I Lean welcome, Hello, Hi, II Leen welcome. How are
you tonight?
Speaker 7 (11:25):
Welcome to you, Good evening, Dan, quick four quick points.
Where was all the noise when Biden was flying illegal immigrants?
Whoever was running the government while Biden was asleep flew
illegal immigrants into the United States?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well, we talked about it, but they were there.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Yeah, I mean, where was no Where were the judges?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Where was the ug The judges were asleep. The judges were.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Asleep, They were asleep with Biden. Okay. Two, how many
of these people who want these criminals back here William
to sponsor them while they're here.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
The incident? That is zero?
Speaker 7 (12:06):
Yeah, I mean they want all these illegals here?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
How many?
Speaker 7 (12:11):
How many? There were a couple of people who have
legitimate claim to say that, and they're not Democrats and
Republicans and they're on Fox News. They've done that. But
here's the thing, Mayor ru how many illegal immigrants are
Shoes's sponsoring?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
How many is zero?
Speaker 7 (12:28):
How many about our governor?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Zero?
Speaker 7 (12:30):
Zero? But we're supposed to sponsor them with taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well, we do sponsor them. We've sponsored them with two
billion dollars of taxpayer dollars, two billion dollars, and now
we're cutting back school budgets in North end Over and
the kids instead of being in school today listening and learning,
they were out protesting, which is great, you know, I mean,
(12:57):
that's wonderful. It's a well run though, protesting that they
were cuts going to be made, and they wouldn't have
had to have.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Made the a little protest during the pandemic. The charter
schools were in session, yep. Absolutely, The private schools were
in session, The Catholic schools were in session, the Christian
schools were in session. The only schools that were in
session are the ones that the teachers union represented by.
(13:26):
That's that's a whole nother story though, And my my third,
my third point on this bringing these criminals back, what
message are we sending to the rest of the criminals
that are going to come here?
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Come, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Do you remember do you remember when we used to
play tag as a kid in the backyard many years ago,
and when it got to be dark, someone would call
all the alli entry, which meant, you know, wherever you're hiding,
come on out, the game's over. All the all the entry.
That's that should be the campaign slogan for the Democrats.
All the ali doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
I'm telling you, Democrats have lied so much to the
American people and they used to be able to get
away with that. But with all the sources of information,
now that doesn't that's how to do.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Here's what my problem is. And I should have asked
Susan this. And you know, Susan is is a friend
of mine. Have never met her, but we've had a
phone relationship over the years, and she's welcome and she's
tough enough to take it. When I I was really
got upset tonight because I don't want to be lectured
about due process. These guys don't deserve due process.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Not American citizens.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
They're not American citizens. There's there's a moderk. Look, if
some family comes across the border in search of a
better life, have come here illegally, we can give them
some due process and and then you know, okay, uh,
and maybe if they have a legitimate asylum claim, that's fine.
But I don't want to deal with I don't want
(15:02):
to have our law enforcement UH in charge of dealing
with these guys are killers, rapists.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
The barbarians.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
Let's see it that way.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Is thirteen wannabes, okay, And the fact that people can't
see that, what do they want? I mean, what do
we have to have a couple of suitcase nukes exploded
in major American cities to get to get our what's
wrong with us? What is wrong with us as a
at this point?
Speaker 7 (15:34):
Well, first of all, this is my I mean, I
use I'm a longtime Massachusetts Irish Catholic, et cetera. So
originally obviously a Democrat, right, that's how we all were.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You were born a Democrat.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
But the hate.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
That's coming out, I mean, the hate and the violence
coming out of the Democratic Party, it just flows me.
It shocks me even even Okay, And a perfect example.
You know Mark Kelly, who's ex asta yep, whose wife
was the victim of political violence. Yes, he got on
(16:12):
he reached did you see this video where he recently
go on TV and said he was getting umbers tesla
And I'm saying, we do you? Are you just? I
mean that's inciting violence? Well yeah, and I would love
And this is the iriny is he certainly walking up
in his space station. There's the iry of that, thank God,
(16:35):
he wasn't up there because he's gotter have to say
thank you to bust Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, uh he's he's walking. He's walking a line, that's
for sure. Eileen, I love it. Thank you so much.
As always, You're welcome.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
A lovely evening.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Do me a favorite, call more off and tell your
friends about the show. Okay, I need to I need
to be I need to be reassured that there were
more people. What happens on this show?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
People? Tell me? Oh, listen every night, you listen every night.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Study were starting to form an organization. I happened to
be Irish Catholic, but I'm forming it with some Jewish
friends against anti Semitism. So I'll give you a heads
up as things happen.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, i'll tell you organization.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
My goal is to get one hundred thousand houses next
Christmas with blue and white lights on them Christian health.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
That's a great goal. I got to tell you. I'm
I'm Irish Catholic and I am fiercely against anti Semites.
I'm concerned about anti Semitism.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
This isn't just anti Semitism, it's anti God. It's anti
Christian too. Well, it's plenty of good finish.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Point if I could, If you don't mind, I just
finished my point. I had the benefit of a of
a parent, a father who had served in World War Two,
who taught me early on what went on during World
War Two as a child. And I start myself when
I visited Auschitz as a television reporter in nineteen eighty six.
(18:04):
So I see so much anti Semitism in this country.
We talk about it a lot in this show, will
continue to talk about it, and if people are uncomfortable
with it, then they need to listen to another show.
Because anti Semitism, you know, is virulent, and it is fantastasized.
It's a cancer. It's fantastized. When I was young, it
(18:27):
was on the American far right and the American Nazi
Party and those wackadoodles who had to march in Skokie, Illinois,
and they had their First Amendment rights to march, but
they certainly represented nothing but hate. And I saw and
you got a scent sense of it down in Charlottesville,
(18:47):
Virginia when they you know, they were coming out with
the torches. But it is fantastasized to the American left,
and a lot of people on the American Left, a
legitimate American left, really do understand it, and they're coming
around to it, and uh, that organization that that you
have or that you're forming.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I would be a true with a lot of with
a lot of Jewish friends.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
I just happen to be the creative one there. They
are the ones with the knowledge that I need.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Okay, well, and I had a.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Landlord actually that was in World War two in Germany,
so he's a source of information too. It's just I
just totally understanding. I can't understand it. I can't thank you,
have a great night.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Good I was I was saying to Eileen that so
many of you out there sit at home and you
say to you so well, I agree, I agree, I agree,
I agree. Where are your voices? Where are your voices?
And I mean that seriously, you know, your your voice
is important. You know if you sit by and you
don't express your opinion, many people sit at home and
(19:55):
they say, well, I'm the only one that thinks that.
You're not the only one that thinks. So wait, listen
to the callers tonight. I feel free to join the conversation.
Six one seven two thirty six month seven nine, three, one,
ten thirty. We're coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
It's night Side with Boston's news Radio.
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By the way, if you have missed any Nightside hour
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Here.
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I've been critical of the audience for the last hour
or so, but that's okay. We have listeners all over
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Uh.
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For example, we have people in the Virgin Islands, Austria, Aruba,
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Thirty people in Japan have downloaded Nightside. I don't know
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when you talk on this show, not only is your
voice being heard across America, but it's also being heard
(21:30):
literally around the world. Keep Rowland, I gotta go to
will on Long Island will next on Nightside.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Go right ahead, Dan, I you know, you know I
listen to you a lot at Call Plenty, But I'm
always listening, and it's like one of my favorites. Even
when we disagree. I like disagreeing with you too, and
I agree and I disagree a little bit, like I'm
not a big believer in parties. As a matter of fact,
my son I had to register again. My son has
(21:57):
been with me both times I voted for Trump, well
to the three times I voted for Trump. He's twelve now,
and I had to reregister the vote. I had to
vote by affidavit, and for whatever reason, I had to reregister.
And I showed him something. I said, I want you
to watch what I do. And when I registered, I said,
you see, here's all the parties Libertarian, Republican, Democrat. I said,
here's how I register, and I checked no party. And
(22:20):
I told him why, And I said, because one day,
like the who said, when a party on the left
becomes a party on the right, and the party that
I had an allegiance to becomes something else. I don't
want to feel that I have to vote for them.
So I try to keep my prom like you.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'm an independent. I'm unenrolled. I have never been a
registered Democrat nor a registered Republican. And by the way,
I think it's sixty percent of the people in Massachusetts
are unenrolled.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
But I believe that.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Doesn't know how to appeal to the unenrolled by talking about.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Issues, right, And I believe that, especially recently, I have
been forced into a tribe, But I don't belong. I've
always followed politics, even before I can vote, And I
remember a young man, just you know, going to the
college reading Washington's farewell address, and I'll never forget. Like
one part that sticks to me particularly is when he says, however,
(23:23):
political parties may now and then answer unpopular ends answer
popular ends. They are likely, in the course.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Of time and things, to become potent engines by which cunning, ambitious,
and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power
of the people and to usurp for themselves the reigns
of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted
them to unjust dominion. And today, more than ever, I
understand that I believe right now because the system we have,
(23:52):
we need the two party system, because Americans are accustomed
to it. They're there's a lot of them have a
superficial view of politics and they have to pick either
blue or red. However, I also believe I remember when
he was four, I voted for Trump and we're in
a very red area at that time where I lived.
And he said to me, realized, he goes, Daddy in
(24:14):
the middle of the gymnasium, Daddy, did we vote for Trump?
And I looked at him and I said, unfortunately, and
everyone laughed, and I said, it's kind of like a
choice between shooting yourself and the head or in the foot,
and I think that he's the foot, and a lot
of people I think feel that way right now. And
I think the Democrat Party. I don't like when the
Democrats switched to Republicans because I feel like they need
(24:36):
to fix their party from within. I need to find
Democrats I could vote for again. The RFK juniors, the
Joe Manchins. These guys are now becoming older and not
going to be there anymore, and we're going to be
left with the aocs and the Bernie Sanders. I'm from
an area where AOC is not that far away. She's
been in our eye for a while. We see her
(24:58):
all the time, and I'm not going to go into
our history and the bartender and all this other stuff.
I know bartenders that are smarter than lawyers. Okay, However,
I will say that she has a very superficial view
of politics and even a worse view of economics. And
people like this having the platform that they have and
the ability to govern and legislate and make laws with
(25:21):
such little knowledge of what they're doing. We even had
a president at one point, at least the first time
he was elected, it literally had like an eighth grade
knowledge of civics and we put this man in the
White House. The last president we had was literally suffering
from dementia, and he wasn't even the sharpest tool in
the shed when he was the vice president or a senator.
It's becoming to the point where I feel like I've
(25:44):
been forced into a tribe and I'm voting for people
and I'm flipping switches for people that I don't even
agree with anymore. But it's just there better than the
other guy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (25:56):
No, it sometimes a choice between the lesser of two
evils or the lesser of two incompetence. The bottom line
is the best in the brightest are not the people
who are running for office. There's no doubt about that,
simple as that.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
And whn you imagine. Can you imagine if AOC one
day was running for president, let's say four years from now,
even they put her.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Let me tell you this, she's guaranteed forty percent.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Well, of course, because they'll just vote against whatever it
is that the other side. I mean, I'm literally watching
Donald Trump do things that were typically Democrat stances. And
I'm watching Democrats now that believed in protectionism, believed in
building the American workforce, believed in protecting union jobs, believed
(26:43):
in making sure our jobs be stucked the weight all
the time.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
It's all gone.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
I'm seeing them fight against it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, I know, that's right. I agree with you. It's
it's it is a It's an amazing thing to watch
as a political scientist. Uh will, I got packed lines.
I got to keep rolling here back as always, I
appreciate your loyalty and I appreciate you having the courage
to call the program and express yourself as well as
you do every night, whether we know any night, whether
(27:11):
we agree to agree. Thank you will appreciate it. Jim,
you are next gym on nightside. Welcome back, All right ahead, sir.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
And hi, thanks for taking my call. How's your brackets?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I don't do brackets, but if I did, they would
they would already be gone.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
And I'm just just make a conversation. So hey, I
tried to call earlier. But so I don't like to
jump to conclusions because then I can make a mistake.
So I guess what I'm just wondering. I mean, if
I recall correctly, the judiciary is job is to interpret
the law. So I'm just wondering what misinterpretation of the
(27:54):
law has there been that this judge is issuing a
stay of execution.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Well, the judge, real simple, is concluding that the law
that the president is relying upon, this Act from seventeen
ninety eight, is not an appropriate application of the law. Well,
I'm just telling you what. I'm just trying to tell
you what.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
Okay, okay, okay, that's that's an answer. Now here's my
next question. So what evidence was presented that made the
judge at least tentatively to have that viewpoint?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Because the judge read the statute from seventeen ninety eight
and prima facia, the language of the law would say
that the only people who could be effected by this
would be citizens of nations with whom we were technically
at war. And the administration is saying this group trente dragua,
(28:55):
who have committed this country are basically a part of
the Venezuelan government. They never would have been allowed to
leave the country. They're coming here to raise havoc, They're
coming here to cause substantial harm, and they in effect
our invaders without military uniforms. But they are invaders who
(29:17):
have tattoos, who identify themselves just as as military uniforms identify.
When I see you, I don't shoot you because you're
in a uniform.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Okay, So how long I mean, how long does this
stay of execution last before one or the other party
has to show up with you know, before the judge renders.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Finally, the first day of execution was debated today in
front of a three judge federal panel in Washington, d C.
One of the judges was appointed by President Obama, one
was actually appointed by President Trump, and one had been
appointed by President Bush. They will decide if the stay
of execution that judge Borsburg issued initially is appropriate, and
(30:06):
they will either support him or overturn him. Whatever happens
at the appeals court, at the three judge Appeals Court
will then, I think, of necessity, go to the US
Supreme Court and get the issue. It is, more broadly,
Jiman is a question of what powers does the commander
in chief have and what limitations can the judiciary impose
(30:31):
upon a commander in chief? And I think on that issue,
Trump eventually is going to prevail on this from a technical,
from a legal point of view, from a legal analysis
point of view, because you cannot have a single federal
court judge. In effect, if let us say Donald Trump
(30:55):
was doing something that was clearly unconstitutional, then then you
have a federal court judge who can interfere because he's
protecting the rights of citizens across the country. These folks
who this judge is protecting one or not citizens number two,
they they very well may have the characteristics as the
(31:18):
administration is claiming of an invading army. And I know
I'm getting into weeds with you a little bit here,
but you know this is ask me because.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Straight answer, I was playing Dan Ray to your Harvey Silverglade.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Okay, okay, I'll order.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
Thanks thanks for listening, all right, thank.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
You, thank you for asking. Thanks Jim, talk to you soon.
Have a great night. I should probably have Harvey on. Okay. Now,
all of a sudden, I got a couple of folks
dropped off, so I got to take a break. When
I come back on and talk with Tina in woond
socket and I hope to talk with you, and I
hope you have the courage to pick up the phone
dial the number six one seven, two, five four ten
thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty and
(32:02):
feel free to tell me if you agree or disagree
with what how this program has gone tonight. I think
it's been The callers have been great, including my friend
Susan from Cambridge. They have gone on different different points
of view. Dan from Hampton, New Hampshire was a great caller.
Feel free bring it on. We got about not twelve
(32:25):
minutes left. I can handle a couple more callers. Talk
to you on the other side. Now back to Dan
Ray live from the Window World night Side Studios. I'm
WBZ News Radio. Okay, we have three callers and I'm
delighted to start it off. With Tina in Moonsocket, Rhode Island. Tina,
you were next on nightside. Welcome?
Speaker 9 (32:44):
Yes, yes, Hi Dan. This is the question I want
to pose. We have principles in this country where you're
innocent until you're proven guilty. And I know there's a
lot of people have came in across the border illegally,
and are we supposed to believe Trump everything he said
(33:07):
about this group Trente Agua. How do we know if
there weren't any innocent people, don't they have the right
or maybe they don't have the right to do process?
What if there are some people who are not part
of that group and they were just mixed in the fray?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Do we just take.
Speaker 7 (33:28):
Trump's Trump's words at face value? Do we give up
our principles as of Americans at.
Speaker 9 (33:35):
An innocent person means everything? And so the Trente Agua.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
What do you think about my.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Point of view to give you an answer which may
or may not be satisfactory to you. Okay, okay, there
are gangs that have infiltrated across the border. Trent A
Agua is one that comes out of Venezuela. M's thirteen
comes out of El Salvador. Violent, vicious gangs that engage
(34:04):
in literally rape murder. The worst, they execute people within
their group if they're not loyal. These are groups that
I do not want in the United States. Okay, we
have a US Constitution. We have a US Constitution which
does provide certain rights to all of us as citizens,
(34:27):
and even rights to people who are in the country illegally.
But at some point, as President Lincoln is said and
others behind him have said, the constitution is not a
suicide pact. If we do not realize that we have
people in this country right now who want to do
(34:48):
major harm, particularly those of us who live in Boston
and have experienced the marathon bombings back in twenty thirteen,
we are naive and these people are not here to
visit the United States of America. They are here to
wreck havoc. It's as simple as that. And if there
(35:08):
is someone who has been deported inappropriately, let's find out
who that person is, bring them back here, give them
a due process hearing, and then deport them again.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
How do we do that if they're in that El
Salvador in jail.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Simple, real, simple. El El Salvador is holding these people
at our request and I'm sure that if we said
we made a mistake and we sent three people down there,
or two people or one people, one person down there,
I'm sure that the President of El Salvador, who work
this deal with Secretary of State Rubio, would comply, Tina,
I got to get two more in here. Who've been
(35:45):
kind of Okay, great questions, great questions. I don't know
if my answers were satisfactory, but it's the best I
could do this late hour. Okay, thanks so much, Thank you,
have a great night. Rick and Dover, Dover, Massachusetts. Rick,
welcome back, go right ahead. Hey.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Yeah, so, I guess the question for the court is.
Speaker 10 (36:05):
Is a gang or whoever the government labels as a
gang or a knitting group or a basketball team. Is
that covered in the Aliens Act? I think it always
says in countries.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, there there's other language in the Act that the
Trump administration is relying upon. And if that information was
rejected by the well, I don't even know that there
was argued in front of the single judge the appeals court.
Certainly it would have been argued today, and eventually he's
going to go to the US Supreme Court. It's as
(36:43):
simple as that I believe. Rick. I know that you're
a little bit more liberal than I am. So let
me ask you the question. Yeah, seriously in your opinion,
and you're a rational guy. You live in Dover. I
have no idea what you do for a living, but
you're smart. I know that there aren't too many dumb
people live in Dover. Okay, it takes a few bucks
to live out there. My question is what has to happen.
(37:06):
We've had, uh, the brothers from Dagaistan slaughter people at
the marathon. Main people at the marathon. Do not like
a suitcase nukes to go off in this country? Or
how many suitcase nukes before we finally tough it up
and say, guess what we had open borders. We now
have to correct and adjust. That's all I'm asking.
Speaker 9 (37:28):
No, I think we should do it by using the law.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Maybe we need some new laws, you know, well maybe.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
But maybe. But the Supreme Court, if this administration is
interpreting this law, let's take it up to the Supreme Court.
If the Supreme Court says, Trump, you're wrong, then then he's.
Speaker 10 (37:45):
Gonna have exactly but correcting are wrong. They shouldn't have
happened because they didn't have the legal authority to do
it after the fact.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
It's kind of definitely not.
Speaker 10 (37:58):
The way America's wist to know.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Well, we don't need all the time. Hold on, waite, Rick,
have you ever hear of the dred Scott decision that
got corrected versus plus versus Ferguson. I don't know if
you're lawyer, but I and that got corrected. My career
on the line, my friend, to get four innocent men
out of prison. I hope you know that case. I'm
(38:23):
not going to go over it right now. I put
my I know as a journalist.
Speaker 10 (38:28):
I don't think I should defying some judge and then
decide later.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
He's not defying the judge. He's appealed it. I got
one more call, Rick, I do me a favorite. We
can have a longer conversation. But I love your call. You,
I respect you. Thank you. John and Boston. John, you
got the final word. I'm not sure how much time
we have, Rob. Let me know, go ahead, John.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Dan real quick. The Boston Marathon. Obamas came here and
nine to eleven guys here bout twenty years so they
came here with closed borders. Now we have open borders.
I was listening to a military expert today, Travis A. Lee,
who's saying this, four hundred thousand military age Chinesemen that
come across the border in four years, and the real
numbers illegals that come across the past four years are
(39:16):
thirty to forty million illegals that have come across the border.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Well, that's a little high, but I wouldn't be surprised
if it was twenty million.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Okay, Well, Sarah Adams also, but Jean Intell.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Hold on, John, I'm out of time. I really appreciate
that you're called. Please call a little earlier next time
and we'll get a much longer conversation when I'm flat out.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Okay, Man, thank you, Mandan great danger, one hundred thousand
fen on death. Thank you, have a great night.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Good night, Thank you, Rob, thank you, Marita. Thanks to
the callers and the listeners. All dogs, all cats, all
pets go to heaven. That's my pell, Charlie. Rays were
passed fifteen years ago in February. That's why all your
pets are who have passed. They loved you and you
love them. I do believe you'll see them again. See
it again tomorrow. Night on night Side. I'll be on
Facebook night Side with Dan Ray in about two minutes.
(40:05):
I'm going to have a couple of comments to make this.
See you then
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